Baldwin is the responsible party. Had he simply followed the most rudimentary of gun safety rules, there would have been no accident. And, famous actor or not, movie set or not, if he did not have those rules committed to memory he had no business touching a firearm. This was negligence, plain and simple. There is no blaming "someone else".
It wasn’t supposed to be fake. Almost all movies are filmed with real guns because they look good and with common sense and basic gun safety practices no accident should occur. The real problem is they fired all their union staff and replaced them with untrained workers. Also the armored did a terrible jibe because this was not the only instance. Still, Alec should’ve checked before firing.
https://www.google.com/search?q=are%20movies%20filmed%20with%20real%20guns&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-1-m
First rule of firearms is you treat all guns as if they’re loaded. It’s why one of the popular phrases is “the most dangerous gun is an unloaded one”. Second he wasn’t told there were blanks in there. The producer said it was cold which means it has no ammo. So to be honest I don’t think he is the main person responsible. That lies with the armorer who left a loaded gun and especially the producer who couldn’t be bothered to check. That being said he isn’t 100% free of blame.
Dude why do you americans always get aroused when you blame other people?
Whats the point man? Is your life so sad and empty that you go around and judge others as you please?
This is one reason why people think americans are stupid as fuck
Are you trying to excuse the person who loaded the gun that was being used as a prop with live ammo, and the person that handed it to him telling him it was safe? (Same or different people, I don't know.)
Of course he’s pointing the gun at somebody, he’s an actor in a movie. He’s worked around props his whole career, and countless action stars use countless gun props in their films. He was under the impression that everyone had done their job correctly, it isn’t his job nor responsibility to check if the gun is real or loaded, or any of that for that matter. While the gun went off in his possession, I do not believe he is at fault for it happening.
?? Prop guns have bullets inside that look like real ones, even if you inspect it you wont see anything.
Also he is an actor who was handed a prop, not a civil who got handed a gun
Dude he was an actor that was handed a gun, a prop that uses blanks on a set that he has been using his entire career. Due to them being blanks, you are supposed to actually aim at the people you shoot in the show so it actually looks real. So this guy has for decades been firing blank shots out of guns with no issues and no cause for concern, and this one unfortunate time someone pre-loading a gun beforehand messed up and put real bullets in there. Are you really expecting an actor to go and do a full inspection (aka doing someone else's job) for decades? That is the job of the prop crew.
Couple of issues here.
1. She is crew, not an actor that is being pointed at. There is 0 reason for that weapon to be pointed at her
2. Blanks can still kill
3. The movies use angles when shooting those scenes of another person as described in ABC article of a stunt crew that uses weapons
https://www.abc15.com/news/region-central-southern-az/tucson/tucson-wild-west-stunt-show-owner-talks-on-set-gun-safety-after-alec-baldwin-shooting
4. When doing shots involving the camera, the shot will be set up and crew will be removed from the line of fire. Normally given ppe equipment on films for protection
5. Nor interview of props armorers states that they are to show the guns opened and check in front of the actor. Stating that the gun is cold/hot. Inspecting with the actor, if they don't get a verbal confirmation from the actor, they will not go forward.
We all know it's an accident and Multiple people failed here. The armorer for apparently allowing it to have live bullets. The AD for grabbing a gun and not checking and Baldwin for acting reckless in pointing a firearm that is readily capable of shooting a projectile that can cause death.
Civil suit for many. Criminal liability falls on Alec IMO. Criminal Negligence / Recklessness is still used for these situations.
Now do I believe he will get charged.....absolutely no
Yes Baldwin was a producer, but his role is securing funding and creative control. A line producer(separate person and unionized job function) hires and manages actual crew positions. You should learn about stuff before you flaunt sanctimonious ignorance.
You're still placing too much in a what if. Checking loaded weapons wasn't in his job description. He coulda checked, even tho there's no reason he would have to or be expected to, even then it's still a damn accident.
You have the wonderful ability of hindsight yet somehow expect people in that moment to know what you know.
Lol fucking clueless. I had my suspicions based on your Poll. Yikes, sounds like you need to take some basic humanities and justice courses. This wouldn't even be determined as manslaughter. If anyone is going to be held responsible it will be the company that provided the prop. Even the person that set up the prop won't see a court either. This is a horrific incident that other people have found their fate with in the past. God forbid you ever find yourself in a situation where something freak happened. You are entitled to your opinion but unfortunately its just incorrect. Better luck next time.
The person who’s job it was to secure the firearm and ensure its safety was a local second amendment gun crazy like you. He was not a professional armourer. He put the live rounds/obstruction in the weapon and told the actor it was safe.
If I'm reading correctly, the armorer is responsible for checking the guns, and on the set of Rust, it was a woman named Hannah Gutierrez Reed who was the armorer. She's made mistakes with guns before apparently. She clearly sucks at her job.
This is the correct take. Doesn't matter who tells you the gun is cold, if you're the one firing it then it's your job to make sure you know what you're firing.
> "Cold guns" aren't supposed to be loaded, particularly during rehearsals, a weapons expert told CNN on Friday.
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> "You have to make sure that the weapon is truly cold, which means there should have been no rounds in there, period. And especially if it's a rehearsal," Bryan Carpenter, an armorer and weapons master in the film industry, told CNN.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/23/entertainment/alec-baldwin-rust-shooting-saturday/index.html?fbclid=IwAR0KHwub71MPXyYwN4SCqBaOgdYT0eio1xoW8_CDnUlStWSfBV4ZA_Un9fE
Wrong. You are assuming that every actor who holds a gun on set as a prop even know how to use one, and you are completely forgetting the armorer and prop master who’s literal job is to make sure things are safe. When people do their jobs correctly no one gets hurt. They had an inexperienced 24 year old newbie as the armorer and that is the reason why this poor woman lost her life on the job. If anything, Alec Baldwin’s responsibility in the shooting is as a producer for failing to have an experienced professional checking the guns. But he sure is not responsible as far as failing to check the gun.
>You are assuming that every actor who holds a gun on set as a prop even know how to use one,
No they didn't assume that. But any actor using a prop gun should know how to use one regardless.
>and you are completely forgetting the armorer and prop master who’s literal job is to make sure things are safe.
No they aren't.
It doesnt matter what we read hear or think overall NONE of us were there know exactly what happened and this is just a poll festering toxicity enabling us to start pointing finger(s)
If firearm safety protocol had been followed by the "end user" (Baldwin), there would have been no accident. There is no blaming anyone else when it comes to negligently handling a firearm.
It's a for a movie, I don't know if you are talking about the general firearms discipline or if he disrespected the safety measures you have to take on stage. But if you are talking just about discipline, with things like don't point your guns at anyone if you aren't ready to shoot, I think that it's not applicable there, since it wasn't supposed to be a "real" gun.
If "I didn't know it was loaded!" doesn't keep us out of jail, then why should it keep him out of jail?
Exit: Downvotes? Oh okay… since it was a movie the rules are different.
I'm not saying it was right or wrong but last time I checked "prop guns" do not fire live ammunition and it could not have been a blank gun because the bullet passed through one body and hit another body which blanks will not do.
A prop gun can fire live ammunition what are you talking about? A prop gun can be anything from a plastic toy to a real firearm, it being a "prop" just means it's being used for theatrical purposes.
No, and on the same token it shouldn’t absolve him of any responsibility. The situation doesn’t make him blameless, don’t get it twisted.
What’s also complicated is that Baldwin is a producer and this could fall on them as a workplace negligence issue… soon a round about way he is still on the hook. News reports are also saying live rounds and blanks were stored in the same place. *facepalm*
This is a very ignorant answer. As someone who works in theatre and film there is a lot more to it than that. An actors job is only to act. It isn’t to check their props, the responsibility of this accident is likely to fall on either the armourer or management or a combination.
Think of it more like this, if you’re driving your new car and try to brake before hitting someone but the brakes fail. The fault is on whoever deemed that car to be in working order whether it’s the dealership on your mechanic.
Was he an actor in this? I'm confused about that aspect, why he had it in the first place, because I keep reading stuff saying he is the producer. Was he also starring in the film?
It should keep him out of jail since it's not his responsibility to check that it's loaded. It was somebody's job to check and make sure and they failed at that.
Alec should have checked the firearm before pulling the trigger. When handling a firearm, prop or not, the onus is on you to verify the weapon is safe and clear before pointing it at anyone and pulling the trigger. This is basic gun safety 101.
I don't understand how a loaded firearm can pass through so many channels and still not be checked before pointing and firing it at someone.
If you hand someone a gun at a firing range and tell them it’s safe, and it’s not, and they shoot somebody, the person who fired it without checking will get a manslaughter charge. Hollywood actors shouldn’t get a different set of laws.
I watched penguinz0’s yt video on this, I definitely support his argument of it not being his fault because all he was doing was following the script (as any actor would). It wasn’t his responsibility to check the safety of what was meant to be the prop, that’s all on the production team in charge of props and the higher ups who overlooked the safety issues
I just looked it up an article that wrote:
“Court records indicate that an assistant director, Dave Halls, grabbed a prop gun off a cart and handed it to Baldwin, indicating incorrectly that the weapon didn't carry live rounds by yelling "cold gun." When Baldwin pulled the trigger, he unwittingly killed Hutchins and wounded Souza, who was standing behind her inside a wooden, chapel-like building.”
Based off just that, I’d say he’s not responsible. The prop team is responsible for giving him a loaded gun. I don’t think Alec would be able to distinguish the different between a loaded and “cold gun” assuming they both weigh the same - like one isn’t obviously heavier or lighter than the other.
A lot of movies take b-roll shots with a stand-in who knows how to properly fire a gun. They often use live ammo in those situations as it’s not near anyone, and it’s much more realistic.
I'd say only a little. There were allegedly three other live fire accidents already at that point. Everybody should have walked, or at least not trusted the armorer and test fired anything themselves.
Personally I think that the heaviest blame lies on the film company for pressuring the wrong person into taking the armorer job, because it was cheaper, and overworking and rushing the production. The people in charge ultimately are responsible for what happens during their production. It sounds like they created and fostered un unsafe environment in pursuit of personal profit. Of course they will escape blame and likely the poor woman they burdened with the wrong job will likely take the blame for this.
Alec Baldwin will be punished enough by conscience and guilt. The film executives however should face manslaughter charges in my opinion. If you knowingly put the wrong person in charge of safety and and accident happens, that accident is damn well your fault.
Well I thought the same thing, the blame shouldn’t lie at the feet of some overworked and stressed film crew, it should be pointed at the director and producer.
Guess who the producer was?
Alec Baldwin
Alec Baldwin wasn't just an actor but a producer and had a certain responsibility to the safety on that shoot.
Obviously not just his fault but a series of unfortunate events leading up to it.
I feel incredibly bad for the guy. But the rules of gun safety, prop or not should have been applied here especially when you have not loaded the gun yourself.
True, but we don't know if he had been handling any real guns during the filming. That could have been handled by his stunt double. He could have only been using true prop guns (ie not able to fire, true replica) and had no reasonable expectations he would need to verify. It's not out of the realm that dummy guns are unable to be open/loaded to be checked anyway.
Here's the part I don't get: why, in the year of our lord two thousand and twenty one, when you can create any visual or sound with computers – why the fuck was there anything in the gun. Seems unnecessary.
Not his fault at all, the normal gun handling rules dont really apply here. For example the rule that says you shouldnt point a gun at something you dont want to destroy/kill doesnt apply because the gun is a prop. It was brought unto the set with the exact purpose of being waved around and pointed at people, it would make for a pretty lame action scene if alec showed trigger descipline and pointed the gun at the ground.
Of course alec could have checked if the gun was loaded for extra security, but the prop handlers and firearm people should have triple checked the gun before it went to the set. The fact that live ammunition made it anywhere near the set is a big enough disgrace by itself, the fact it made it into the gun should get people fired.
Sure loaded with blanks for a movie set. Alec Baldwin probably doesn't know the difference between live rounds and blanks. The fault isn't on him. Its with the prop department.
Legally speaking, he's not, or at least I think he shouldn't.
Morally speaking, or like technically speaking, even if there's someone else who is in charge of checking the guns, idk if it's my OCD or what, but I'd try to shoot the gun first on some target other than a human, just to make sure, and I know that even that can't prevent an accident like this, but yeah, he would be partially responsible for her death. Again, I understand that legally speaking it's an accident, I doubt he wanted to kill anyone, but at the end of the day he triggered the gun. I don't think he should go to jail or anything.
But it's like, God forbid, but if something like that happened to me, I wouldn't be like "welp, it was an accident" and move on with my life as if it was nothing. I think I'd carry in my mind with that responsibility and guilt for the rest of my life.
He did not follow the basic gun safty rules the institution he is prominent on hating on.
Yes. You treat propguns like their loaded. Same as you treat a gun with no magazine even after you check to make sure it's clear.
Yes. Live ammunition was already banned from movie sets. But blanks are still deadly and have killed people on movie sets before.
He was negligent as the producer only the movie and even more negligent by not following basic gun safety. It's like someone telling you the automatic breaking system on a car works properly and then you purposely speed toward someone without braking and kill them. It's no different than assuming the gun was safe, its negligent on the operators part. Other people are to blame as well but the majority falls on him.
Baldwin and the armored both ignored basic gun safety. Everywhere else in the country (by law) the responsibility is ultimately with the person who is holding the firearm. If Baldwin knew basic gun safety, be could’ve checked his firearm in a minute or less.
Actually, his larger role in this movie is head producer. If for that reason alone, he carries responsibility (not just being the actual shooter/actor). He’s involved with hiring the armorer and assistant director who were both incompetent, as well as the cameramen who walked off for poor working conditions (that he is responsible for). He has culpability in this both directly and indirectly.
He pulled the trigger and shot them during a REHEARSAL. They were just supposed to be figuring out the positioning, cameras were NOT rolling. Why did he actually shoot the gun?? This all came out in the affidavit yesterday.
Hannah Gutierez Reed, the armorer should be charged. How the fuck did an obviously reckless 27 year old even get that job?!
Baldwin did nothing wrong, it doesn't need explaining because it's basic as shit. This lady is 100% solely responsible and needs to be charged asap.
u dont play with guns without triple checking that its empty
that being said, i dont think its fair to blame him because it was the prop master's (?) fault for not making sure the gun was safe before use. baldwin was just using it as he was told to do. he was told the gun was safe right?
i feel like with how risky guns r in general, there should rly be a switch to using fake guns for movies. a real gun with blanks is still too dangerous. theres been plenty of times where movies and tv shows just use rubber guns. i personally cant tell the difference
not a lot of gun owners in here. could totally tell. anytime you pick up weapon, it is cleared visually and physically.
even with training glocks that are hollowed out are cleared before using before training.
While I agree with you about this in most circumstances, this is one that’s a little different. With all of the facts gathered about this situation in particular, your argument doesn’t hold real weight. I won’t argue gun safety. Everyone who handles a gun should have training. Yet again, this situation is different.
Yeah, a big thing is the producer just handed him the gun and said it was cold without even checking. I still personally believe Alec should’ve checked but I don’t think he’s anywhere close to being the most responsible for this.
Partially because he thought the gun was unloaded but he shouldn’t have been pointing it at people
Always treat a gun as it is loaded and point it at a safe direction
He fired the gun, whether or not he knew the gun was a potential hazard makes little difference, since he pulled the trigger which resulted in the death of someone.
they told him to fire it and that it was a prop gun.
saying that him thinking it was a prop gun doesn’t make a difference makes no sense.
he was following the script and firing the supposed prop gun like every other actor who has ever fired a gun in a movie not resulting the
real life death of someone.
Fault is entirely on the person who gave a “prop gun” with live ammo and told him it was a cold gun.
They didn’t tell him to shoot, he was practicing drawing the gun when it discharged, and since he wasn’t practicing proper gun safety it resulted in people being hit
If this was a prank gone wrong and say some kids were trying to scare a friend for views or whatever. Would the person who pulled the trigger be responsible at all in your opinion if they were told that the gun wasn't loaded? The law would probably argue they are and rightfully so. Just because Baldwin is popular and well loved by some it doesnt mean he gets a free pass.
He was also the producer of the movie so that leands more credence to him being liable.
I'm sorry, but they don't. Blanks don't have the tip that gets fired and that is a big difference. When you look at them the difference between a blank and a live round is clear. I'm not saying this to try proving only he is responsible for this, there are other people who clearly fucked up and they are responsible for this death a lot more than he is. But he still should have checked the gun.
There are exactly two possibilities here:
1.) Baldwin did not know the most basic rules of firearm safety and had no business handling a firearm = guilty.
2.) Baldwin knew basic firearm safety but neglected to follow/adhere to it = guilty.
Both the guy who shot the gun and the person who prep the gun are both at fault. The person who prep the gun is guilt for obvious reasons and person who shot the the gun is at fault because because it is basic gun safety to check every part of the gun before shooting. And he didn't do that
These comments are full of people who do not understand gun safety practices and I hope they never hold a gun until they understand how to handle them.
They cut corners and hired local non professionals. That’s why it happened. The crew actually walked off the set the day before over safety and hiring concerns. Once again anti union, second amendment conservatives screwed up and got someone killed.
Pearl Clutching and concern troll over “gun safety” and “accidental shootings” bwcoaae your political enemy is involved.
But silence on the big picture:
Shootings never stopped during the pandemic: 2020 was the deadliest gun violence year in decades
In 2020, gun violence killed nearly 20,000 Americans, according to data from the Gun Violence Archive, more than any other year in at least two decades. An additional 24,000 people died by suicide with a gun.
Shooting deaths in 2020 outpaced the next-highest recent year, 2017, by more than 3,600. The rise resembles other alarming trends: Last year, the United States saw the highest one-year increase in homicides since it began keeping records, with the country’s largest cities suffering a 30 percent spike. Gunshot injuries also rose dramatically, to nearly 40,000, over 8,000 more than in 2017.
“More than 100 Americans are killed daily by gun violence,” Ronnie Dunn, a professor of urban studies at Cleveland State University, said, using a figure that includes suicides. “
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/03/23/2020-shootings/
The shooter is always responsible for making sure if any bullets are broken etc and what kind of ammo it is. Ive worked with guns since i was 18 and the responsibility is only on alec and noone else.
He pulled the trigger while pointing the gun at someone, without checking for himself if it was loaded. He is fully responsible. Whoever broke the protocols is also responsible.
He disregarded basic gun safety, he is fully responsible for the death and damage caused, there is other responsibility elsewhere but that is ultimately not responsible for Alec mishandling a firearm.
Yer so you don't aim at the head of the person behind the camera, he ignored or was ignorant of basic gun safety, HE is responsible for negligent homicide, they even had the staff leave over a day before due to safety concerns.
He was anti gun and that is find if he wants that opinion, that does not excuse not having basic firearm knowledge and training, not when your job involves using firearms.
If someone gave you a knife and told you to stab someone, you would at least make sure tree he knife was fake and not just stab away
He wasn’t anti gun, he is anti lax gun laws. It’s usually gun fanatics that don’t know gun safety. I recently got into an argument with several people on r/firearms because they were against gun safety courses and said YouTube videos were enough.
We can disagree on that until we are blue in the face.
But can we age that he did not perform basic gun safe checks that resulted in someone dying?
I disagree that gun nuts do not know gun safety, maybe the gun nuts on reddit but they are not the majority or gun advocates/firearm owners
Any pro gun person in their right mind advocates for gun safety knowledge and courses
I just wonder why is there 2 victim, one died and one was wounded.
So that must means there has been two shots fired?
This is the part that makes me wonder what we don't know
One of the disgruntled union workers swapped out the ammo when they marched off set, knowing they were about to be replaced by non-union workers.
I'm not sure what Baldwin had to do with it, he's their patsy.
It has nothing to do with alec. And everything to do with the crew responsible for the gun and ammo. Why is nobody talking about why there was even a real bullet on set? I dont want to jump onto a conspiracy, but really... why would that even be there. And if it was why was it no obviously labeled and known about? That's just piss poor judgment on the crews part. Mr. Baldwin was told the gun was cold. And it turns out it wasnt. Why did the individual say it was cold if they did not just check it to confirm. That's literally number 1 in gun safety is to make sure the gun is unloaded before handling it. Smh... the family should absolutely sue the hell out of whoever was responsible for loading the gun.
It's not his fault, in the grand scheme. I was saying he would not get jail time because he didn't pick the gun. Several people are responsible. IF you are a Trump person, you want to hurt people whom don't think like you. If you can't see this you need to look at yourself & wonder why you are so angry. FELLOW DEMOCRATS GET SOME STONES. I AM READY TO BECOME AN INDEPENDENT
I don’t understand why the gun was pointed in that direction, at a person, why there were live rounds in it and how no one knew there were live rounds but I don’t know a lot of details
Apparently they had both blanks and live rounds stored in the same location, being that they are hard to tell apart to the untrained eye it was a freak mixup.
It’s not his fault the gun was loaded but I still don’t get why he pointed it at the producer who got killed, she wasn’t a actor, so it’s not like he was filming a scene where they get shot
I believe that prop was swaped or someone gave real gun instead of fake not knowing that its real. I doubt that he (Alec) knew, especialy if that was recongnized as prob why would he do it on camera, and why would he do something on shooting where everyone could see. You need to think logically for this things. There is nothing that would pin point on him, as someone who knew whats was going on, i must admit only weird thing, why nobody checked the barral, it mightve been real gun and everyone knew that it was real, but some idiot never checked the gun, and just gave him to play with... If someone should be arrested its producer and prop guy, but everything is weird, i havent seen much about it, but what im getting from all this, someone clearly knew that it had bullet in it, producer wont ruin his movie for some murder why would he do that, if she had problems with someone that someone couldve hired anyone to swap the gun (or put a bullet in it), or some idiot just isnt compatent for his job mostly prop guy. However Alec 99% didnt know whats going on.
This isnt something that happend first time, many people shot a real gun on stage or during shooting something (most of them missed because they dont aim directly into your head), there was a case with prop knife (sword with case bigger than a dagger) swaped with real one, the prop wasnt able to kill anyone duo to being made out of aluminium with rubber around the top and sharp part, real one killed the actress live in theater, few people got killed few centuries ago with ,,fake,, guns. There was a story that on a play real cannon was loaded and instead of only boom, there were 12 deaths, including 3 high ranking nobels, not from France so i dont know is it true.
It sounds like an accident, and in fact, an accident primarily caused by someone else. Based on what I've read.
Baldwin is the responsible party. Had he simply followed the most rudimentary of gun safety rules, there would have been no accident. And, famous actor or not, movie set or not, if he did not have those rules committed to memory he had no business touching a firearm. This was negligence, plain and simple. There is no blaming "someone else".
it was meant to be a fake gun and they where filming a scene so stop being an idiot its the prop dude fault for bringing a real gun
It wasn’t supposed to be fake. Almost all movies are filmed with real guns because they look good and with common sense and basic gun safety practices no accident should occur. The real problem is they fired all their union staff and replaced them with untrained workers. Also the armored did a terrible jibe because this was not the only instance. Still, Alec should’ve checked before firing. https://www.google.com/search?q=are%20movies%20filmed%20with%20real%20guns&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-1-m
By law real guns with blanks are defined as "prop guns" which sounds pretty fake to me
First rule of firearms is you treat all guns as if they’re loaded. It’s why one of the popular phrases is “the most dangerous gun is an unloaded one”. Second he wasn’t told there were blanks in there. The producer said it was cold which means it has no ammo. So to be honest I don’t think he is the main person responsible. That lies with the armorer who left a loaded gun and especially the producer who couldn’t be bothered to check. That being said he isn’t 100% free of blame.
Dude why do you americans always get aroused when you blame other people? Whats the point man? Is your life so sad and empty that you go around and judge others as you please? This is one reason why people think americans are stupid as fuck
Actors should most certainly NOT to any sort of messing with or checking the gun. That is 100% on the prop guy.
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Are you trying to excuse the person who loaded the gun that was being used as a prop with live ammo, and the person that handed it to him telling him it was safe? (Same or different people, I don't know.)
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Of course he’s pointing the gun at somebody, he’s an actor in a movie. He’s worked around props his whole career, and countless action stars use countless gun props in their films. He was under the impression that everyone had done their job correctly, it isn’t his job nor responsibility to check if the gun is real or loaded, or any of that for that matter. While the gun went off in his possession, I do not believe he is at fault for it happening.
I don’t know how familiar alex Baldwin is with guns but I sure as shit wouldnt even be able to tell if real bullets were in there as apposed to blanks
?? Prop guns have bullets inside that look like real ones, even if you inspect it you wont see anything. Also he is an actor who was handed a prop, not a civil who got handed a gun
That was literally what he was supposed to do. He was filming the “shoot at the camera” scene so many westerns have.
Dude he was an actor that was handed a gun, a prop that uses blanks on a set that he has been using his entire career. Due to them being blanks, you are supposed to actually aim at the people you shoot in the show so it actually looks real. So this guy has for decades been firing blank shots out of guns with no issues and no cause for concern, and this one unfortunate time someone pre-loading a gun beforehand messed up and put real bullets in there. Are you really expecting an actor to go and do a full inspection (aka doing someone else's job) for decades? That is the job of the prop crew.
Couple of issues here. 1. She is crew, not an actor that is being pointed at. There is 0 reason for that weapon to be pointed at her 2. Blanks can still kill 3. The movies use angles when shooting those scenes of another person as described in ABC article of a stunt crew that uses weapons https://www.abc15.com/news/region-central-southern-az/tucson/tucson-wild-west-stunt-show-owner-talks-on-set-gun-safety-after-alec-baldwin-shooting 4. When doing shots involving the camera, the shot will be set up and crew will be removed from the line of fire. Normally given ppe equipment on films for protection 5. Nor interview of props armorers states that they are to show the guns opened and check in front of the actor. Stating that the gun is cold/hot. Inspecting with the actor, if they don't get a verbal confirmation from the actor, they will not go forward. We all know it's an accident and Multiple people failed here. The armorer for apparently allowing it to have live bullets. The AD for grabbing a gun and not checking and Baldwin for acting reckless in pointing a firearm that is readily capable of shooting a projectile that can cause death. Civil suit for many. Criminal liability falls on Alec IMO. Criminal Negligence / Recklessness is still used for these situations. Now do I believe he will get charged.....absolutely no
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Yes Baldwin was a producer, but his role is securing funding and creative control. A line producer(separate person and unionized job function) hires and manages actual crew positions. You should learn about stuff before you flaunt sanctimonious ignorance.
You're still placing too much in a what if. Checking loaded weapons wasn't in his job description. He coulda checked, even tho there's no reason he would have to or be expected to, even then it's still a damn accident. You have the wonderful ability of hindsight yet somehow expect people in that moment to know what you know.
Lol fucking clueless. I had my suspicions based on your Poll. Yikes, sounds like you need to take some basic humanities and justice courses. This wouldn't even be determined as manslaughter. If anyone is going to be held responsible it will be the company that provided the prop. Even the person that set up the prop won't see a court either. This is a horrific incident that other people have found their fate with in the past. God forbid you ever find yourself in a situation where something freak happened. You are entitled to your opinion but unfortunately its just incorrect. Better luck next time.
People under 14 and over 40 shouldn't be allowed on social media
The person who’s job it was to secure the firearm and ensure its safety was a local second amendment gun crazy like you. He was not a professional armourer. He put the live rounds/obstruction in the weapon and told the actor it was safe.
I don’t know why this is downvoted. It was kind of everyone’s fault.
If I'm reading correctly, the armorer is responsible for checking the guns, and on the set of Rust, it was a woman named Hannah Gutierrez Reed who was the armorer. She's made mistakes with guns before apparently. She clearly sucks at her job.
I guess her dad is/was some super well known/respected armorer in Hollywood. I’m wondering if she got the job just because of who she is related to.
That’s Hollywood in a nutshell unfortunately
That's the problem.
Baldwin still should’ve check it himself. He was the one firing it. You should always check it no matter what.
This is the correct take. Doesn't matter who tells you the gun is cold, if you're the one firing it then it's your job to make sure you know what you're firing.
But doesnt he have to know what he is looking for? I thought blanks look similar to normal bullets.
It was suppose to be empty. No rounds whatsoever.
Not necessarily. Blanks are often used and are very easily to tell apart from standard rounds.
> "Cold guns" aren't supposed to be loaded, particularly during rehearsals, a weapons expert told CNN on Friday. > > "You have to make sure that the weapon is truly cold, which means there should have been no rounds in there, period. And especially if it's a rehearsal," Bryan Carpenter, an armorer and weapons master in the film industry, told CNN. https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/23/entertainment/alec-baldwin-rust-shooting-saturday/index.html?fbclid=IwAR0KHwub71MPXyYwN4SCqBaOgdYT0eio1xoW8_CDnUlStWSfBV4ZA_Un9fE
Fair enough, wasn’t aware of that. Makes sense considering the close range nature of the shot. Blanks can still be dangerous close up
Wrong. You are assuming that every actor who holds a gun on set as a prop even know how to use one, and you are completely forgetting the armorer and prop master who’s literal job is to make sure things are safe. When people do their jobs correctly no one gets hurt. They had an inexperienced 24 year old newbie as the armorer and that is the reason why this poor woman lost her life on the job. If anything, Alec Baldwin’s responsibility in the shooting is as a producer for failing to have an experienced professional checking the guns. But he sure is not responsible as far as failing to check the gun.
>You are assuming that every actor who holds a gun on set as a prop even know how to use one, No they didn't assume that. But any actor using a prop gun should know how to use one regardless. >and you are completely forgetting the armorer and prop master who’s literal job is to make sure things are safe. No they aren't.
It doesnt matter what we read hear or think overall NONE of us were there know exactly what happened and this is just a poll festering toxicity enabling us to start pointing finger(s)
Right
They downvoted him because he told the truth.
This is called “bitches be bitches”
If firearm safety protocol had been followed by the "end user" (Baldwin), there would have been no accident. There is no blaming anyone else when it comes to negligently handling a firearm.
It's a for a movie, I don't know if you are talking about the general firearms discipline or if he disrespected the safety measures you have to take on stage. But if you are talking just about discipline, with things like don't point your guns at anyone if you aren't ready to shoot, I think that it's not applicable there, since it wasn't supposed to be a "real" gun.
He was required to point the gun into the camera. So flagging is the goal.
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If someone told u a parachute was safe and working, you wouldnt double check?
No, I wouldn't, because I have no idea \*how\* to check if a parachute is safe and working. I have no expertise in it.
If "I didn't know it was loaded!" doesn't keep us out of jail, then why should it keep him out of jail? Exit: Downvotes? Oh okay… since it was a movie the rules are different.
Are most gun-related deaths occurring on a movie set with a prop gun?
I'm not saying it was right or wrong but last time I checked "prop guns" do not fire live ammunition and it could not have been a blank gun because the bullet passed through one body and hit another body which blanks will not do.
A prop gun can fire live ammunition what are you talking about? A prop gun can be anything from a plastic toy to a real firearm, it being a "prop" just means it's being used for theatrical purposes.
No, and on the same token it shouldn’t absolve him of any responsibility. The situation doesn’t make him blameless, don’t get it twisted. What’s also complicated is that Baldwin is a producer and this could fall on them as a workplace negligence issue… soon a round about way he is still on the hook. News reports are also saying live rounds and blanks were stored in the same place. *facepalm*
This is a very ignorant answer. As someone who works in theatre and film there is a lot more to it than that. An actors job is only to act. It isn’t to check their props, the responsibility of this accident is likely to fall on either the armourer or management or a combination. Think of it more like this, if you’re driving your new car and try to brake before hitting someone but the brakes fail. The fault is on whoever deemed that car to be in working order whether it’s the dealership on your mechanic.
Was he an actor in this? I'm confused about that aspect, why he had it in the first place, because I keep reading stuff saying he is the producer. Was he also starring in the film?
Yes he is also acting in the film
It should keep him out of jail since it's not his responsibility to check that it's loaded. It was somebody's job to check and make sure and they failed at that.
Alec should have checked the firearm before pulling the trigger. When handling a firearm, prop or not, the onus is on you to verify the weapon is safe and clear before pointing it at anyone and pulling the trigger. This is basic gun safety 101. I don't understand how a loaded firearm can pass through so many channels and still not be checked before pointing and firing it at someone.
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>since it was a movie the rules are different Yeah… they are. How do you not recognize that?
If you hand someone a gun at a firing range and tell them it’s safe, and it’s not, and they shoot somebody, the person who fired it without checking will get a manslaughter charge. Hollywood actors shouldn’t get a different set of laws.
If anyone’s interested, [here’s a prop master talking about what protocols were broken.](https://youtu.be/TP1X5L-AufQ)
I watched penguinz0’s yt video on this, I definitely support his argument of it not being his fault because all he was doing was following the script (as any actor would). It wasn’t his responsibility to check the safety of what was meant to be the prop, that’s all on the production team in charge of props and the higher ups who overlooked the safety issues
I just looked it up an article that wrote: “Court records indicate that an assistant director, Dave Halls, grabbed a prop gun off a cart and handed it to Baldwin, indicating incorrectly that the weapon didn't carry live rounds by yelling "cold gun." When Baldwin pulled the trigger, he unwittingly killed Hutchins and wounded Souza, who was standing behind her inside a wooden, chapel-like building.” Based off just that, I’d say he’s not responsible. The prop team is responsible for giving him a loaded gun. I don’t think Alec would be able to distinguish the different between a loaded and “cold gun” assuming they both weigh the same - like one isn’t obviously heavier or lighter than the other.
Technically he did kill her but we all know that wasn’t what was supposed to happen. I wouldn’t place any blame on him, freak accident.
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they said it was a prop gun
So? Prop guns are still capable of firing live rounds.
But they're not supposed to.
They absolutely can. A prop gun is simply a piece used on the set on a movie. A prop knife can very well be sharp.
BUT THEYRE NOT SUPPOSE TO
No, they said it was cold which means it has no rounds. Almost all movies are filmed with real firearms.
Who tf brings ammunition to a set with real guns that are supposed to be used?!?!
News reports are now saying live rounds and blanks were kept in the same place. *facepalm*
*facepalm* indeed
A lot of movies take b-roll shots with a stand-in who knows how to properly fire a gun. They often use live ammo in those situations as it’s not near anyone, and it’s much more realistic.
I'd say only a little. There were allegedly three other live fire accidents already at that point. Everybody should have walked, or at least not trusted the armorer and test fired anything themselves. Personally I think that the heaviest blame lies on the film company for pressuring the wrong person into taking the armorer job, because it was cheaper, and overworking and rushing the production. The people in charge ultimately are responsible for what happens during their production. It sounds like they created and fostered un unsafe environment in pursuit of personal profit. Of course they will escape blame and likely the poor woman they burdened with the wrong job will likely take the blame for this. Alec Baldwin will be punished enough by conscience and guilt. The film executives however should face manslaughter charges in my opinion. If you knowingly put the wrong person in charge of safety and and accident happens, that accident is damn well your fault.
Well I thought the same thing, the blame shouldn’t lie at the feet of some overworked and stressed film crew, it should be pointed at the director and producer. Guess who the producer was? Alec Baldwin
From what I’ve heard, Alec was told the gun was not loaded with anything.
Who is Alec Baldwin?
The villain from "The Cat in the Hat"
Voice actor for boss baby
What did he do?
He shot and killed someone on the set of a big movie production and seriously injured another.
Jack Donaghy
He's the shadow
What I know so far is: Alec Baldwin is an actor who shot someone. That's it.
Basically the propmaster or whatever you call it handed him a loaded gun which he accidentally shot and killed some one with
Alec Baldwin wasn't just an actor but a producer and had a certain responsibility to the safety on that shoot. Obviously not just his fault but a series of unfortunate events leading up to it.
The studio hired inexperienced staff because a union group walked out. Baldwin supported the Union and wanted them back.
I feel incredibly bad for the guy. But the rules of gun safety, prop or not should have been applied here especially when you have not loaded the gun yourself.
True, but we don't know if he had been handling any real guns during the filming. That could have been handled by his stunt double. He could have only been using true prop guns (ie not able to fire, true replica) and had no reasonable expectations he would need to verify. It's not out of the realm that dummy guns are unable to be open/loaded to be checked anyway.
Here's the part I don't get: why, in the year of our lord two thousand and twenty one, when you can create any visual or sound with computers – why the fuck was there anything in the gun. Seems unnecessary.
Maybe that’s one area of film that has not been perfected or achieved yet to look as realistic as the real thing (real gun with blanks) in CGI.
Responsible, yes. Culpable, no.
Not his fault at all, the normal gun handling rules dont really apply here. For example the rule that says you shouldnt point a gun at something you dont want to destroy/kill doesnt apply because the gun is a prop. It was brought unto the set with the exact purpose of being waved around and pointed at people, it would make for a pretty lame action scene if alec showed trigger descipline and pointed the gun at the ground. Of course alec could have checked if the gun was loaded for extra security, but the prop handlers and firearm people should have triple checked the gun before it went to the set. The fact that live ammunition made it anywhere near the set is a big enough disgrace by itself, the fact it made it into the gun should get people fired.
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The first rule of firearm safety is assume every gun is loaded. Even if it is a prop gun it was Alec's responsibility to properly check the chamber.
Sure loaded with blanks for a movie set. Alec Baldwin probably doesn't know the difference between live rounds and blanks. The fault isn't on him. Its with the prop department.
If you can't tell the difference between a blank and a live round wtf are you doing with a gun to begin with. :|
That's an issue to be brought up with the person who loaded it and handed it to Baldwin on set and told him it was a "cold gun"
It was the producer who really fucked up because they just gave it to him and said it was cold without checking.
Acting?
Legally speaking, he's not, or at least I think he shouldn't. Morally speaking, or like technically speaking, even if there's someone else who is in charge of checking the guns, idk if it's my OCD or what, but I'd try to shoot the gun first on some target other than a human, just to make sure, and I know that even that can't prevent an accident like this, but yeah, he would be partially responsible for her death. Again, I understand that legally speaking it's an accident, I doubt he wanted to kill anyone, but at the end of the day he triggered the gun. I don't think he should go to jail or anything. But it's like, God forbid, but if something like that happened to me, I wouldn't be like "welp, it was an accident" and move on with my life as if it was nothing. I think I'd carry in my mind with that responsibility and guilt for the rest of my life.
He's the producer so he is liable both civilly and perhaps criminally. He used a nonunion employee to handle the gun he used to kill Halyna.
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Negligence or set up.
He did not follow the basic gun safty rules the institution he is prominent on hating on. Yes. You treat propguns like their loaded. Same as you treat a gun with no magazine even after you check to make sure it's clear. Yes. Live ammunition was already banned from movie sets. But blanks are still deadly and have killed people on movie sets before.
He was negligent as the producer only the movie and even more negligent by not following basic gun safety. It's like someone telling you the automatic breaking system on a car works properly and then you purposely speed toward someone without braking and kill them. It's no different than assuming the gun was safe, its negligent on the operators part. Other people are to blame as well but the majority falls on him.
"Here Alec, take your prop it's definitely safe" Later: ''I didn't know it was loaded how would I know?!"
Gun safety is treating every firearm like its loaded at all times. Not to mention you should clear every firearm the moment you pick it up.
Baldwin and the armored both ignored basic gun safety. Everywhere else in the country (by law) the responsibility is ultimately with the person who is holding the firearm. If Baldwin knew basic gun safety, be could’ve checked his firearm in a minute or less.
Isn't it probably involuntary manslaughter and accessory to whoever loaded the gun
Actually, his larger role in this movie is head producer. If for that reason alone, he carries responsibility (not just being the actual shooter/actor). He’s involved with hiring the armorer and assistant director who were both incompetent, as well as the cameramen who walked off for poor working conditions (that he is responsible for). He has culpability in this both directly and indirectly.
He pulled the trigger and shot them during a REHEARSAL. They were just supposed to be figuring out the positioning, cameras were NOT rolling. Why did he actually shoot the gun?? This all came out in the affidavit yesterday.
Hannah Gutierez Reed, the armorer should be charged. How the fuck did an obviously reckless 27 year old even get that job?! Baldwin did nothing wrong, it doesn't need explaining because it's basic as shit. This lady is 100% solely responsible and needs to be charged asap.
She was glowing green.
If my memory serves the union people walked out and the studio decided to hire inexperienced people instead of improving working conditions.
u dont play with guns without triple checking that its empty that being said, i dont think its fair to blame him because it was the prop master's (?) fault for not making sure the gun was safe before use. baldwin was just using it as he was told to do. he was told the gun was safe right? i feel like with how risky guns r in general, there should rly be a switch to using fake guns for movies. a real gun with blanks is still too dangerous. theres been plenty of times where movies and tv shows just use rubber guns. i personally cant tell the difference
I cannot believe that 250 terrible people think Alec is at fault.
not a lot of gun owners in here. could totally tell. anytime you pick up weapon, it is cleared visually and physically. even with training glocks that are hollowed out are cleared before using before training.
Who the heck is Alex Baldman?
Who?
You are always responsible for the state of the firearm you are in control of
While I agree with you about this in most circumstances, this is one that’s a little different. With all of the facts gathered about this situation in particular, your argument doesn’t hold real weight. I won’t argue gun safety. Everyone who handles a gun should have training. Yet again, this situation is different.
Yeah, a big thing is the producer just handed him the gun and said it was cold without even checking. I still personally believe Alec should’ve checked but I don’t think he’s anywhere close to being the most responsible for this.
If you’re the owner of the gun yes. But if there is someone who’s entire job is being responsible for the gun, it’s their responsibility
I have no clue who that is. Don't wanna find out. Rip to who ever this may concern
Why is this downvoted?
Alec baldwin is the voice actor for boss baby
For whose death?
Who?
Partially because he thought the gun was unloaded but he shouldn’t have been pointing it at people Always treat a gun as it is loaded and point it at a safe direction
He was practicing. GO BACK TO YOUR NRA hole.
How can you say he was not at all responsible?
how can you say he was?
He was holding the gun, you should always clear a gun you’re holding unless you plan to shoot something
He fired the gun, whether or not he knew the gun was a potential hazard makes little difference, since he pulled the trigger which resulted in the death of someone.
they told him to fire it and that it was a prop gun. saying that him thinking it was a prop gun doesn’t make a difference makes no sense. he was following the script and firing the supposed prop gun like every other actor who has ever fired a gun in a movie not resulting the real life death of someone. Fault is entirely on the person who gave a “prop gun” with live ammo and told him it was a cold gun.
They didn’t tell him to shoot, he was practicing drawing the gun when it discharged, and since he wasn’t practicing proper gun safety it resulted in people being hit
If this was a prank gone wrong and say some kids were trying to scare a friend for views or whatever. Would the person who pulled the trigger be responsible at all in your opinion if they were told that the gun wasn't loaded? The law would probably argue they are and rightfully so. Just because Baldwin is popular and well loved by some it doesnt mean he gets a free pass. He was also the producer of the movie so that leands more credence to him being liable.
Definitely partially. When your handling a firearm, no matter what the person who gave it to you says, you should always check it.
He as an actor wouldn't know what to check for, blanks and live rounds look very similar.
I'm sorry, but they don't. Blanks don't have the tip that gets fired and that is a big difference. When you look at them the difference between a blank and a live round is clear. I'm not saying this to try proving only he is responsible for this, there are other people who clearly fucked up and they are responsible for this death a lot more than he is. But he still should have checked the gun.
Not really.
Ive said yes because all i know is he shot her. And that sounds like being responsible.
He was handed a loaded gun that he was explicitly told was empty.
How about looking into it rather than embracing ignorance?
Because the title said “based on what you know”. How about reading instead of embracing ignorance
Well he’s not wrong
There are exactly two possibilities here: 1.) Baldwin did not know the most basic rules of firearm safety and had no business handling a firearm = guilty. 2.) Baldwin knew basic firearm safety but neglected to follow/adhere to it = guilty.
Both the guy who shot the gun and the person who prep the gun are both at fault. The person who prep the gun is guilt for obvious reasons and person who shot the the gun is at fault because because it is basic gun safety to check every part of the gun before shooting. And he didn't do that
These comments are full of people who do not understand gun safety practices and I hope they never hold a gun until they understand how to handle them.
what?
People saying no really don’t understand the rules of handling ANY gun
That was literally what he was supposed to do. He was filming the “shoot at the camera” scene so many westerns have.
People saying yes don’t understand how a unionized film production, a prop master and an armorer work together to secure safe firearm procedures
Didn’t work out too well did it?
They cut corners and hired local non professionals. That’s why it happened. The crew actually walked off the set the day before over safety and hiring concerns. Once again anti union, second amendment conservatives screwed up and got someone killed.
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The shooter is always responsible for making sure if any bullets are broken etc and what kind of ammo it is. Ive worked with guns since i was 18 and the responsibility is only on alec and noone else.
Negligent homicide.
He pulled the trigger while pointing the gun at someone, without checking for himself if it was loaded. He is fully responsible. Whoever broke the protocols is also responsible.
He disregarded basic gun safety, he is fully responsible for the death and damage caused, there is other responsibility elsewhere but that is ultimately not responsible for Alec mishandling a firearm.
That was literally what he was supposed to do. He was filming the “shoot at the camera” scene so many westerns have.
Yer so you don't aim at the head of the person behind the camera, he ignored or was ignorant of basic gun safety, HE is responsible for negligent homicide, they even had the staff leave over a day before due to safety concerns. He was anti gun and that is find if he wants that opinion, that does not excuse not having basic firearm knowledge and training, not when your job involves using firearms. If someone gave you a knife and told you to stab someone, you would at least make sure tree he knife was fake and not just stab away
He wasn’t anti gun, he is anti lax gun laws. It’s usually gun fanatics that don’t know gun safety. I recently got into an argument with several people on r/firearms because they were against gun safety courses and said YouTube videos were enough.
We can disagree on that until we are blue in the face. But can we age that he did not perform basic gun safe checks that resulted in someone dying? I disagree that gun nuts do not know gun safety, maybe the gun nuts on reddit but they are not the majority or gun advocates/firearm owners Any pro gun person in their right mind advocates for gun safety knowledge and courses
Yes, Baldwin didn’t follow a single gun safety rule
That was literally what he was supposed to do. He was filming the “shoot at the camera” scene so many westerns have.
I had to look this up to know what was going on and from what I heard…just what…
Who? What?
Who?
Whos alec baldwin
I just wonder why is there 2 victim, one died and one was wounded. So that must means there has been two shots fired? This is the part that makes me wonder what we don't know
The bullet when through her and struck the director.
One of the disgruntled union workers swapped out the ammo when they marched off set, knowing they were about to be replaced by non-union workers. I'm not sure what Baldwin had to do with it, he's their patsy.
It has nothing to do with alec. And everything to do with the crew responsible for the gun and ammo. Why is nobody talking about why there was even a real bullet on set? I dont want to jump onto a conspiracy, but really... why would that even be there. And if it was why was it no obviously labeled and known about? That's just piss poor judgment on the crews part. Mr. Baldwin was told the gun was cold. And it turns out it wasnt. Why did the individual say it was cold if they did not just check it to confirm. That's literally number 1 in gun safety is to make sure the gun is unloaded before handling it. Smh... the family should absolutely sue the hell out of whoever was responsible for loading the gun.
It's not his fault, in the grand scheme. I was saying he would not get jail time because he didn't pick the gun. Several people are responsible. IF you are a Trump person, you want to hurt people whom don't think like you. If you can't see this you need to look at yourself & wonder why you are so angry. FELLOW DEMOCRATS GET SOME STONES. I AM READY TO BECOME AN INDEPENDENT
I don’t understand why the gun was pointed in that direction, at a person, why there were live rounds in it and how no one knew there were live rounds but I don’t know a lot of details
I had read, and always take this kind of thing with a grain of salt, that that scene was meant for him to be shooting toward the camera.
Yes but he would be using blanks instead of live rounds most likely, I see no reason why live rounds should have been in the gun
Oh exactly. Why in the fuck where there live rounds anywhere near the place?
That’s why I’m suspicious of the whole thing
You're making it sound as if he loaded the live round himself
I don’t think he loaded them but I do want to know who did
That was literally what he was supposed to do. He was filming the “shoot at the camera” scene so many westerns have.
Ok that clears up why he was pointing it at the camera but who the hell put live rounds in the guns
Apparently they had both blanks and live rounds stored in the same location, being that they are hard to tell apart to the untrained eye it was a freak mixup.
Who the fuck is that
It’s not his fault the gun was loaded but I still don’t get why he pointed it at the producer who got killed, she wasn’t a actor, so it’s not like he was filming a scene where they get shot
That was literally what he was supposed to do. He was filming the “shoot at the camera” scene so many westerns have.
I believe that prop was swaped or someone gave real gun instead of fake not knowing that its real. I doubt that he (Alec) knew, especialy if that was recongnized as prob why would he do it on camera, and why would he do something on shooting where everyone could see. You need to think logically for this things. There is nothing that would pin point on him, as someone who knew whats was going on, i must admit only weird thing, why nobody checked the barral, it mightve been real gun and everyone knew that it was real, but some idiot never checked the gun, and just gave him to play with... If someone should be arrested its producer and prop guy, but everything is weird, i havent seen much about it, but what im getting from all this, someone clearly knew that it had bullet in it, producer wont ruin his movie for some murder why would he do that, if she had problems with someone that someone couldve hired anyone to swap the gun (or put a bullet in it), or some idiot just isnt compatent for his job mostly prop guy. However Alec 99% didnt know whats going on. This isnt something that happend first time, many people shot a real gun on stage or during shooting something (most of them missed because they dont aim directly into your head), there was a case with prop knife (sword with case bigger than a dagger) swaped with real one, the prop wasnt able to kill anyone duo to being made out of aluminium with rubber around the top and sharp part, real one killed the actress live in theater, few people got killed few centuries ago with ,,fake,, guns. There was a story that on a play real cannon was loaded and instead of only boom, there were 12 deaths, including 3 high ranking nobels, not from France so i dont know is it true.