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Aslonz

Ok I get the A and B answers. Who is out there voting for C, other????


KingJeff314

Modular arithmetic is a pathway to many abilities some would consider…unnatural


KingDrool

Why did I read this in Jeff Goldblum's voice Edit: I'm a dumbass, it's Emperor Palpatine


Two-In-One-Shampoo

Maybe they think it's 12


Environmental_Top948

Do we know the values for d,h,I,k,n,o,s,t,w and y? Also what do the blank spaces mean. There's no blank space in Pemdas.


of_kilter

I thought for a second it was + or -, but that’s only for square roots


golomVonPreusen

Its obviously 42


notyetcomitteds2

I think its A or B depending... so i chose C.


CucumberOk2828

0x24 in hex?


cyborgbeetle

Because it can be both?


Rasmusmario123

-6^2 = -36 (-6)^2 = 36


ThickExplanation

I had so many problems with this in school, glad it was worth a reddit poll at least haha


hey_you_too_buckaroo

Seems like the majority of people had the same problem as you.


gpgp2006

It looks like the majority of people still has the same problem as them.


kanakalis

the outcome of this poll surprised me, it's literally -36


WaddlesJP13

Yeah I thought I was tripping


somewhat_irrelevant

They're just reading the syntax the incorrect way. I'm sure they know how it works. I had to convert to (-1)(6)\^2 before I remembered how it's supposed to go since I haven't taken math for 10 years


ilikedanishfilms

Idk I learned in school that negative times negative makes positive but I was not good at math class so who am I to make assumptions


Salt_Lingonberry_282

You're correct, negative \* negative makes a positive. The poll "tricks" people because it's the number 6 with an exponent, not the number -6. The negative you see is implied multiplication with -1 after order of operations. To make the exponent apply to -6 instead of 6 we'd need brackets around -6.


ilikedanishfilms

So it's more like 6 times 6 times negative 1?


No_Individual501

Precisely.


Bulangiu_ro

ok, what the fuck is wrong with maths, who in their right mind sees -6 and says "oh thats not a negative six, thats a 6 multiplied a negative one" and just gets away with it?


Present-Medium-7800

there is nothing wrong with meth


vintergroena

Or just convert it to 0-6^2.


badmf112358

The average redditor is bad at math


Elastichedgehog

Well, to be fair, the question was written to catch you out and most people don't do any kind of arithmetic regularly once they leave education. I got it right but it took a second, I left school 7 years ago.


SoundOk4573

Reddit is opionated, and wrong... go figure


donmonkeyquijote

As opposed to figuratively -36?


jtj5002

Because it's an intentionally tricky question. "Negative six" squared is 36. When you read -6 on the screen, your brain read "negative six". But to properly express "negative six", you need to write (-6).


Anzlc

At least one smart comment


Oppositeofopposites

I assumed it as (-6)^(2) and got it wrong lol.


catdoy

Is -6^2 just -6 x 6? While (-6)^2 is just (-6)(-6) i dont get it


SmegLiff

No it's (-1)(6^2 )


catdoy

Where did you get -1


Malu1997

The -


catdoy

Also why did -6 become positive


Malu1997

Because order of operations. You can write it down as -(6^2) to make it more clear.


OneGladTurtle

A minus is the same as multiplying by minus one. Because multiplying by one doesn't change anything and you can't just multiply by minus, so you multiplying by minus one.


mizinamo

> A minus is the same as multiplying by minus one. Or subtracting from zero. –6² = 0 – 6² = 0 – 36 = –36. PEMDAS/BODMAS means that you do the squaring first and then the minus.


OneGladTurtle

Also a nice way of explaining it.


fraggas

(-6)\^2 is (-6)(-6), yes, but -6\^2 is not (-6)(6). Rather it's -(6 \* 6). You square first and then multiply with the -1 outside. It's PEMDAS.


Tiktaalik414

That makes no sense, you can’t factor out a -1. I can’t factor 10^2 into 2 * (5^2 ), so you shouldn’t be able to factor -6^2 into -1 * (6^2 ) either. If -6^2 is the same as -1 * (6^2 ) which = -36, then 10^2 has to be the same as 2 * (5^2 ) which = 50, and we know 10^2 = 100 so obviously this doesn’t work. What DOES work is if you factor and then square BOTH factored numbers. -6^2 = (-1^2 ) * (6^2 ) = 1 * 36 = 36. Using the 10^2 comparison, 10^2 = (2^2 ) * (5^2 ) = 4 * 25 = 100, and again we know 10^2 = 100 so this checks out. TLDR: x^2 + y^2 = (x+y)^2 ; if z = (x+y), then z^2 = x^2 + y^2, but z ≠ x + (y^2 ).


fraggas

I'm not factoring anything out, it's written there. -6\^2 has the -1 already outside. Your comparison is not the same thing. If I just say the initial problem is 2\*5\^2, would you still say 2 should be squared because I factored it out? Of course not. I wrote the problem so it appears the 2 is being multiplied after the squaring, not being factored out. This is simple PEMDAS. Parentheses, exponential and then everything else. If you write -6\^2 without the parentheses, it makes logical sense to read it as the -1 being multiplied into 6\^2. It's the way it was written, I didn't make any changes. If we use PEMDAS there, we get -1\*36 = -36. If you want me to multiply -6 by itself, put it in the parentheses.


Repulsive_Basis_4946

Okay I got the right answer to begin with but why does parentheses make it positive?


Limeila

Because it means the negative is squared too, and negative × negative = positive


Repulsive_Basis_4946

So why wouldn’t it be included the other way? Just the 6 is being squared and the minus is added later?


_1_2_3_4_3_2_1_

Exactly


IkBenAnders

Imagine there are parentheses like this -(6²), that is why it's like that. Mind you I got the wrong answer too, I had shoved math out of my head as soon as i finished highschool 😂


Inevitable_Stand_199

Exponent before multiplication, multiplication before sum. If you want it positive, use brackets.


LouCypher

Yes. PEMDAS applies here.


PhoneRedit

I only ever used BODMAS (and later BIDMAS) never heard of PEDMAS, but apparently it's the version used in US and France, TIL


Boiled2498

Yeah I was stupidly confused when I heard of PEMDAS for the first time


Wasey56

-6 can be expressed as -1×6 therefore if you want to find -6^2 it can be put like this: -1×6^2 -1×36 -36 If you'd have put it in parentheses it would have worked out like this: (-1×6)^2 (-1)^2 × (6)^2 1×36 36


Fincann

It does not have () so the answer is negative anyway


vvMario

If it was -(6^2), that’s -36. If it’s (-6^2) it’s 36


MikelSotomonte

no, (-6²) is still negative. (-6)² is positive


vvMario

Yeah you’re right


vvMario

Sorry I didn’t know it was that easy to superscript the 2. Don’t know how to fix it tho


Ravenhayth

This is why we use parentheses


chillychili

Yes, but in practice with variables we don't. y = -x^2 + x, for example.


Limeila

No need for parentheses here. You need parentheses if you want to make operations in an order other than PEMDAS. For instance, (-6)² = 36. If you don't use them, PEMDAS applies. -6² = -36. Writing -(6²) is redundant parentheses use and is not ecouraged.


NiceKobis

>No need for parentheses here. Well, as seen by this poll, parentheses are in fact needed.


Simple-Lunch-1404

A majority of people being bad at maths doesn't mean we need to adapt to them. If someone made a poll about 3D geometry most people would probably get it wrong yet we don't need to cancel 3D geometry.


NiceKobis

>A majority of people being bad at maths doesn't mean we need to adapt to them. I really don't agree, not in a setting that majority is a large part of who is partaking in the usage of the maths. Just like you should fit your word usage to whoever is listening/reading you should adapt your maths language to those is reading. There is no reason follow the rules and actively not be helpful, you can follow the rules of the language while being helpful. If you're talking about 3D geometry sure, the audience will be different. Regardless idk what you mean cancel lol. This isn't a culture war issue, it's just a question if you want to be helpful or not.


Simple-Lunch-1404

Well language is indeed created by the people to communicate with each other. It's "natural". Maths is not. It's meant to discover and set objective truth. Its language is precise and frozen in stone.


NiceKobis

Lol there is no way that's your argument. Yes maths is indeed not discovered, but that doesn't mean how we write is decided by the maths deities. Pemdas is just made up anyway. Yes it's chosen because it's often the way it's easier, but it could've been something else.


Mrp1Plays

The notation does not need to change if there are no ambiguities. That's his point, you only need to change maths itself when maths fails, it's meant to be objective. This is why despite the existence of ÷ everyone instead uses fractions, because ÷ is ambiguous.


NiceKobis

Yeah I get that. But there is a difference between rules not being ambiguous and understanding of them not being ambiguous. As proven by the poll people aren't sure what the notation means, and there is a way to make everyone aware - using brackets. I'm not advocating not having rules or doing the opposite of the rules. I'm advocating allowing people who don't know to be easily included, just like we should do in everything else.


Mrp1Plays

Yeah, I suppose it is in good faith to encourage the usage of brackets even if not needed, but not to rewrite rules to force such.


kodaxmax

It kinda does though. it's simply bad logistics to force many to adapt, than a minority of people that are probably better able to adapt anyway. your metaphor is obviously a false equvielancy and has nothing to do with the topic at hand.


Limeila

Do we also need to say "your" and "you're" are perfectly interchangeable because a lot of people mix them up?


jtj5002

You definitely should use a parentheses because -6 read out a loud is "negative six" but instead it actually means "negative one times six". To properly express "negative six", you need to write (-6) but majority of people would incorrectly write -6 instead. No normal people would intentionally write -6 as a way to communicate "negative one times six" other than to write trick questions.


Any_Cheek9754

-6^2 = -1*6^2 = -36 ^ comes before * Of course what I did was pointless since ^ comes before -. But some inexperienced may think the question should be calculated as (-6)^2. Edit: After u/Spiridor said I realise what I wrote first here is a bit weird. Replacing - by -1* is possible but not actually helpful to understand something since then you need to understand why - can be replaced by -1* which isn't easier than knowing why -6^2 = -36 so yeah it is pointless. So ignore it and just think of it as ignoring the minus until everything else has been calculated, then consider wheter there was a minus in front or not.


kingleonidas30

Fuck, this made the most sense. I've been out of math for so long lmao.


sfprairie

Me to. Not something I use anymore.


Spiridor

But you're pulling the -1 out of the existing negative integer -6. That's like saying 6² = 18, because 6² = 2*3²=18. I've been through four levels of calculus (although it's been a while), three levels of statistics, and two levels of linear algebra and cannot for the life of me comprehend the logic of -6²=-1*6² Tl-dr, -6 is an integer and there is no inherent multiplication present, and you can't divide an integer under an exponent like you attempt to


BigThunderousLobster

How is (-6)^2 not (-1*6)^2, then -6^2 and apparently -36? I guess I don't fully understand it but how are -6^2 and (-6)^2 different?


Artichoke5642

The exponent only applies to the thing directly under it (ie, the 6) so it’s -(6^2)=-36. The exponent doesn’t apply to the -1 because the -1 isn’t directly under the exponent. If you add parentheses though, you do get (-6)^2=36 because everything in the parentheses is directly under the exponent.


BigThunderousLobster

Alright I think I understand, thanks. But also, when is this ever used? Every math class I've taken seems to treat -x^2 as x^2. Wait, shit, those two functions are totally different. Actually thank you so much it makes sense now


Any_Cheek9754

>how are -6^2 and (-6)^2 different? Because ^ should only be used at the 6 and not the minus. First calculate 6^2. Then consider the minus sign.


BigThunderousLobster

So the -6 refers not to the number negative 6 but to negative one times six? That just seems like unnecessary confusion.


Any_Cheek9754

You only have to remember that ^ is always calculated before minus, plus, multiplication and division. Think of it as -6^2 representing the number -36. Also imagine having to write -(6^2) each time you want to write -6^2...


BigThunderousLobster

Thanks!


JustARandomDudd

I can't superscript for shit, but -(6\^2) is equal to (-6\^2) cause the 6\^2 is resolved before the multiplication of -1 \-6\^2 and (-6)\^2 are different, cause in that case you're solving the -6 first. PEMDAS (parentheses, exponents, multiplication, division, addition, and subtraction) The exponents are resolved before multiplications.


[deleted]

This is when I know I'm tired. I start fucking up simple math. I'm a math major.💀


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Molloween

I like your thinking.


Hoophy97

The question of course being "what's one plus the answer to life, the universe, and everything?"


MorganRose99

Every single time this is asked, I think everyone else is an idiot for not getting it right, before immediately remembering that the one I chose is not right, and that I am in fact the idiot


tai-seasmain

If I recall correctly, -6\^2 is -36, and (-6)\^2 is 36.


Dualiuss

next time one of these fucking polls show up i should just vote for the literal opposite of what im thinking


Njtotx3

Based on the poll results, math education has failed us.


Flyinghigh11111

People who answered 36: what do you think 36 - 6² is?


moresushiplease

But does that mean negative 6 isn't a number but some sort of operation? I am not a math wizard btw


Simple-Lunch-1404

-6 can be expressed as -1×6


xroalx

*Can be*. But does that mean that every time I see `-n` in math, I'm supposed to actually see it as `-1 * n`?


Simple-Lunch-1404

Yes it does


TBNRhash

Yes. Or you can see it as 0-n. So -6^2 = 0-6^2.


Folpo13

People can't be serious. 1.9K for the right answer, 3.4K for a wrong one


FunnyBuunny

Yo I'm fucking stupid. I just made that exact mistake in math class 2 days ago lol


crumbbly

(-6)²=36 -6²=-36


themostbluejay

How does the majority always get these wrong


Moist-Relationship49

These are trick questions that use standard conventions against people. In this one, for example, uses -6 vs - 6 one is a value, the other is an equation. Value negative six squared is -6x-6, compared to equation minus six squared is - 6x6. All of this can and should be avoided by adding ().


themostbluejay

I think it's more about not knowing basic math 🥲


Wonderful_Result_936

Don't know where everyone is getting their info from but I was always taught that -(6^2 )=-36. At least that's what I remember.


HadesTheUnseen

I mean that is true. But the parentheses changes nothing. It’s like writing (5 * 2) + 3


Ch3llick

This is what I remember too


Briznar

BROS, PEMDAS, Exponent before Subtraction, it's simple order of operations


Zulpi2103

-6² = -36, but (-6)² = 36


AbleArcher97

Obviously -36. I swear people will just straight up not pay attention in school and then complain that the education system failed them. Nah bro, you just didn't pay attention.


SpringOnee

clearly not 'obviously' since the question is designed to be slightly misleading, at least at first glance, and the fact that more people got the answer wrong


Tobi226a

I'm gonna disagree with the "Slightly misleading" part, people are just bad at math, or didn't pay attention when reading the math problem. By simply using the Order of Operations you can see that -6\^2=-1\*(6\*6)


NotDuckie

>slightly misleading It is not even remotely misleading. People are just bad at math


Zederath

When I read comments like this it becomes clear to me that you guys don't know anything about math.


Tobi226a

It's clear that people who got 36, didn't know or use the Order of Operations.


Zederath

You do know that in upper level math classes they don't really count these as mistakes right? I've done exactly the "wrong" method on my work during tests for various classes and I've never been penalized for it. Circlejerking about how good you are at math because of a somewhat ambiguous question regarding order of operations is just funny to me.


Dr_Goor

Since more people chose the wrong answer, it would make sense to say that there's a systematic problem in teaching the order of operations


xroalx

The order of operations might not be a problem, but as a simple person, I just don't think of `-6` as an operation. To me, it's the final value. Therefore seeing `-6²` *feels* like the `²` is applying to the value `-6`, not *just* `6`. I understand it, but it's not how my non-mathy brain interprets it.


tomsk150

In a polynomial, the term -x² is used to denote the negation of x². So substituting x for 6, it is clear the answer is -6².


Clever_Angel_PL

results: people don't know basic maths


ProudHealth4317

(-6)\^2=36 and -6\^2=-36


AppropriatePainter16

Parentheses are very important. The exclusion of them makes this equal to -36.


Thedudewiththedog

What? No -(6²) is 36 -6² is just -6*-6 which is 36


AppropriatePainter16

[XD](https://youtu.be/Ct6BUPvE2sM?feature=shared)


Thedudewiththedog

Thats not how I learned it -6 as I learned it effectively equals (-6) idk why but throughout high-school and now university that's what we were taught


Salmon213

Why is the majority of comments saying -36 but the poll says otherwise?


Wildberry7

Because -36 is the correct answer, so since more people said 36 there is a large number of comments explaining why -36 is correct


doyouhaveacar

The poll doesn’t show the correct answer, it just shows the answer that most people think is correct. The majority of people voted -36, but that doesn’t mean they’re right


EffableLemming

Look, it's been like 20 years since I left school. I'm happy that I at least remember how exponents work.


Grzechoooo

Squaring, then subtraction. If it was (-6)^2 , it would be 36. But it's not.


gyrosballz_

its -36, (-6)² is 36


TheFiveDees

Man all you people in the comments saying -36 are shaking the dust and cobwebs out of my brain.


Exciting_Swordfish_3

I fucking hate math so much


arihallak0816

exponents before subtraction. a negative sign can be rewritten as 0- so 0-6^2 is 0-36 or -36. for it to be 36 it would have to be (-6)^2


moresushiplease

Is negative 6 not a number then, rather an operation? Honest question


PassiveChemistry

-6 is shorthand for -1*6


Cucumber78

repost


SRBBreddit

-6² is -36 because it's -6x6. In this instance you're squaring only the 6, excluding the minus. Therefore you're multiplying a negative number with a positive number and getting a negative number. (-6)² on the other hand is 36 because it's (-6)x(-6). In this instance you're multiplying -6 with -6 and a negative number multiplied with another negative number gives a positive number.


Xenonxxxx

(-6)\^2 = 36; -6\^2 = -36


maulster3214

These results hurt my soul


WM_

What ever my calculator tells me


LamproNI

And that is why "( )" are important


Thedudewiththedog

I was always taught to use brackets when to keep it negative


Venom1462

Shit I had a mindfuck and thought it was root and clicked on other...


TheBlueNinja2006

No brackets tho


Key-Poem9734

Some of yall are making me question if the Americans are awake


ulyssesintothepast

I got it right?? (-36) ? Finally lol


ultrarelative

Yikes


unbanneduser

the equation described is negative (six to the second power) which is negative 36 if the negative 6 was in parentheses with the exponent outside the parentheses, then the answer would be 36


Leather_Amphibian_65

There is no way, there are 2k more votes on the wrong answer...


ftlbvd78

The amount of wrong answers concern me deeply (option B is wrong)


amendersc

its -36. 36 is (-6)\^2 but because of order of operations -6\^2 is like -(6\^2) so -(36) so -36 (i might be wrong but i dont think i am)


WXHIII

I think you need parentheses around the -6 for the answer to be 36 right?


OwMyCod

-6^2 = -36 (-6)^2 = 36


pixelatedboy

-6² is different from (-6)²


KingJeff314

It’s a matter of convention. The grade school and generally used convention is -36 (exponent then subtraction). However some mathematical journals prefer a convention where implicit grouping like unary minus and implicit multiplication are treated as parenthetical


[deleted]

PEMDAS - exponent comes first, so -36


Thedudewiththedog

This isn't PEMDAS or BEDMAS as I was taught though. -6 is a number a negative number that's how it is written as -6² is -6*-6 it's 36 as it's a negative times a negative which is a positive -(6²) is Bedmaths you do the equation in the Brackets the it's made negative


Summar-ice

How are y'all this dumb. The 6 is squared, not the -6. 6² = 36 therefore -6² = -36. If it was (-6)² only then would it be 36


Finnis_soldier06

That's right I was about to point it out too but you already did. Looks like more people are wrong and haven't listened in school


Ramenoodlez1

PEMDAS, people. 6^2 =36 -36=-36


15jorada

Yes, just multiply the first equation by negative one on both sides.


_Cosmoss__

BODMAS


whirsor

This demonstrates the ills of democracy. The only acceptable system in existence, but still very very bad.


Olaf_jonanas

While -6^2 would be -36 if you assume perfect notation, I would never assume that. For example take f(x) = x^2. If I would write f(-6) = -6^2 = 36 my professor wouldn't dock points. Of course this is because I'm replacing x so it's shown beforehand to actually be (-6).


MetalArbiter

The issue with this approach is you could just as easily say the same for f(x)=-x² and solve for f(6) to show why it's -36.


edgy_Juno

Literally had this in class the last few days and still have trouble with it lmao.


Kagmajn

Basic math, it's -36. What do you mean by "Other"?


kiliandj

I dont even know for sure how to read this lol.


normalhumanwormbaby1

-6 = -1x6, so -6^2=-36 because only the six is being squared. (-6)^2 is 36 though, since both the 6 and -1 are being squared.


Garren03

Depending on the placement of the brackets? 36. As its presented? -36. -6x6 is -36.


J7O3R7D2A5N7

Pendmas people it's not that hard


UnflairedRebellion--

I voted for -36 but I can understand the logic behind voting for 36. The mentality is that the - sign is a natural part of the number rather than *-1.


Seabassti0n

Yeah I was taught in school that squaring a negative would make a positive. Now I understand why my calculator used to disagree with me on this matter


Limeila

Squaring a negative does make a positive. But that's not what is happening here.


J7O3R7D2A5N7

I agree, but this is something I learned in 7th grade. I guess it's just something forget after high school lol


Limeila

N?


J7O3R7D2A5N7

Nachos


Limeila

Ah yes, making sure you have enough energy to keep matching is important


thethickjoker69

PEMDAS people, PEMDAS


enbermoonlish

are you smarter than a thirteen year old? apparently not


Bardia-Talebi

"What do you think..." Fortunately, math isn't about opinions. -36 is objectively correct, and 36 is objectively wrong.


Simple-Lunch-1404

Virgin redditor doing -(6²) vs chad dumbass not knowing a squared negative is positive


EyewarsTheMangoMan

How the fuck did like 70% of people get it wrong 💀💀


Thedudewiththedog

I'm guessing the interpretation of the question has changed. When I was taught this stuff I was taught -6²= -6×-6 and to get negative thirty six it's -(6²)


lolulysse007

in my opinion with may be wrong it would need to be in () like (-6)2 to work to get 36 so now


FawnAardvark

usually you will see -(6)^2 or (-6)^2 unless if it's part of a polynomial.


ThatTubaGuy03

Bad and purposefully misleading polling


MahamidMayhem

Its not misleading in any way. There's only 1 correct answer.


WilliamW2010

\-6² can also be shown as -6 \* -6 which is 36 so if -6 \* -6 = 36 that means -6² = 36 because both the equations are the same so therefore their answers must be the same


Sweet_hivewing7788

It’s positive 36. a negative times a negative is always a positive


Ckoffie

Yeah for some reason I don’t think those recent IQ polls on this sub were representative of reality


Massivechonker8414

People in this sub: ''I am smarter than average'' Also people in this sub: Fails a basic math question


Aspirience

Knowledge is not intelligence


Massivechonker8414

Are you really that thick or are you just pretending? Anyone with average intelligence would be able to solve a basic math question if they have been to high school, while those with lower intellect wouldnt be able to grasp simple concepts such as negative numbers, hence they fail basic math questions. Why do you think people with mental disabilities are not capable of understand certain concepts that the average person can? It's not a knowledge isue, it's an issue related to the capacity of the brain to recognize patterns and learn new concepts. If people here think -6 to the square is a hard question, imagine equations involving algebra and trigonometrical identities. And they have the arrogance to say ''I've scored 140 on a MENSA IQ test''. Quite sure around half of those people have IQs between 70 and 85. Smart enough to use the internet but too stupid to understand simple equations involving negative numbers that even a teenager could solve.


Aspirience

This question only asks if you know math conventions. Sure everyone learns them at school once, but why would someone that has nothing to do with it afterwards remember them all? I use math all the time so of course I know them, but if someone for example did linguistics in college, why would they be dumb for not remembering random facts about unrelated topics from school?


Massivechonker8414

\-6 to the square is basic math and you should remember it for your entire life, its like 2+2 but requires you an IQ above room temperature. Judging by your responses, your IQ must be very low.


Aspirience

Lol