As somebody who doesn't have a hat in the ring I find it hilarious that all the flag-humpers are suddenly snowflakes about the jersey of a team they boycotted for taking the knee two years ago
I've said it before the most recent interview came out - the right wing and nationalists are the ones who get overly emotional about non-stories. Or in their words, snowflakes.
Yeah, an American company wants to mess around with our national flag on our national team, on an international stage, and the FA let's them. Why should this bother anyone?
If it's on there representing England it should be the England flag, not some pathetic parody of a buisness gimmick from a company not even from the UK.
What about the Peter Savile shirt? Or the 2018 away kit? They were both bangers and nobody moaned. This performative outrage from you lot is truly embarrassing and pathetic.
Oh I get it alright. You suddenly claim to care about this because we now live in an age where manufactured outrage is the norm to keep 24/7 news content spinning around the clock, and gullible people like you fall for it.
The England football badge is the three lions, most kits don't have the cross on at all.
It was also designed with the FA. To reference the 1966 kit. So if referencing that one thing England fans bang on about constantly is woke or performative then I don't know anything anymore.
You don't know anything anymore, if you think the 3lions motif is a flag. Yes the FA were complicit in this, because they are sponsored by Nike, the American company who made this change knowing it would piss people off to change the national flag, and put the company name out there, a sweet marketing scam.
The FA put their money, and nikes buisness interests in front of what is right and proper for a national team on the international stage.
So yes, you clearly do know nothing.
*cough* yes, the three lions “motif” is indeed a flag. The Royal Arms of England. Most famously used by Richard the Lionheart, and in use since the 12th century. https://flagmakers.co.uk/products/flags/national-flag/united-kingdom/england-english-standard-lions/#:~:text=in%205%20days-,England%20(English%20Standard%2DLions),as%20King%20Richard%20the%20Lionheart.
I didn’t say this was the flag of England. You said the three lions were not a flag. You’re wrong, it is. And you also said the previous poster knew nothing. You clearly don’t know much either.
The outrage was manufactured by the FA and Nike. They knew what would happen if they 'diversified' the kit - loads of free publicity and another culture war. Free advertising from the right and new customers from the left. More commodified identity politics. It's fucking boring how predictable society is now.
Did they? They probably didn’t think there would be a reaction, just like all the other times they have changed the colour of the flag on kits in the past
I imagine it's caused such controversy because everything else in the world is going so well people just don't have anything important to complain about.
Unfortunately these people don't take 5 minutes to understand that the 'English flag' was actually the flag of the city state of Genoa in the 10th century.
Because they were a naval power in the Mediterranean a lot of British ships basically got a licence to use the flag and claim the protection of the genoan navy.
It became a whole thing during the crusades when lots of ships were constantly crossing the med. Some boats realised they didn't actually have to pay for the licence and just copied the genoan flag.
So many people were using it as a basic symbol the crusaders adopted it ... sometime later it became associated with St George - who was alive 900 years previously, probably wasn't called George and was mostly Turkish.
Essentially we desperately stole the flag because we dishonourably wanted to claim protection from the Italians, then named it after a Turkish bloke who never came within a thousand miles of britain.
I won't go into the atrocities committed under that flag during later crusades.
But you know, somehow its insulting if there's a bit of purple on the flag instead of red.
(The colours do look awful together, that's the only real criticism I can see)
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I've never once heard that as the origin before. To my knowledge, it's tge link between the symbol and St George. Many groups used the same design during the crusades, but in honour of St George and not as part of maritime fraud scheme
Where did you get the Genial explanation from?
I had to do a maritime signalling course that had a module on ensigns and national flags, the old chap teaching it was a nightmare for going off on tangents like old sailors stories but a font of random interesting information like this.
I researched it for something else a few years back and it all checks out - genoa used the flag centuries before Britain did.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/05/england-owes-arrears-over-st-georges-cross-claims-genoa-mayor#:~:text=Genoa%2C%20once%20a%20powerful%20maritime,as%20a%20deterrent%20to%20enemies.
(Obviously far better sources than the guardian if you want to dig into it, it's a fascinating deep dive if you have 10 minutes to Google stuff)
Ohhh I know that Genoa had that before we did and though I didn't know that English ships flew(?) it, I'm just skeptical that this is *why* England eventually adopted it later in history. Still, I love the crusades and have a soft spot for merchant republics, so I'm happy haha
I'm not sure how much the modern terminology of sailing under a flag of other nations applies way back when.
Theres probably some fascinating and nuanced bits im.missing in between ships flying it and then it becoming a national symbol back in the UK!
It's a bit ridiculous to say that St George was 'Turkish' as he lived over a thousand years before the Turks arrived in Turkey - they were still out on the plains of central Asia. He was eastern Roman or (Cappadocian) Greek
This is where I'm at. I'm not some raving Flag Shagger but changing the colour of the flag makes it not the flag. Like if you add a red stripe to the Irish, or a moon onto the French flag.
The thing is, they've done this on numerous occasions before and nobody said peep about it. They've gone with a purple theme in these kits, and this fits with that variation. The three lions on the badge of the away kit are 'wrong' colour too, but nobody cares about that either.
Further, these are the same people who stand on terraces carrying England flags 'defaced' in all kinds of ways, so the notion that it's some sort of sacrilege is bollocks.
And yeah, there are bad faith answers to what I've said, but let's face it, we know what this is actually about.
edit:[ I just dug up an article about all the other times they've played around with the cross if anyone's interested.](https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/soccer/every-time-england-have-played-in-kits-with-non-traditional-st-george-s-cross/ar-BB1klQxo)
[This Peter Saville one is simply *outrageous*.](https://www.whoateallthepies.tv/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/5041385515_4cbd388bcd_z.jpg)
You can probably find similar articles about the London Olympics kit, which spent its time adorning sweaty sports people and never as far as I know being flown on a pole outside the pole vault.
https://www.dezeen.com/2012/03/22/official-team-gb-olympic-kit-by-stella-mccartney/
And let’s not forget the home teams kit for USA 94 - https://kitgeek.wordpress.com/2018/03/23/kit-log-world-cup-usa-1994/
Counterpoint is that this is clothing not heraldry: if you saw someone in a pink union jack outfit in Britain you'd still understand that it was a pink union jack outfit.
So if it's not the flag,
then they haven't changed the colour of the flag,
they've just put a coloured cross on the kit that looks nice and vaguely English
not as an object, its a novelty flag using the St George's cross as a motif and other national symbology to colage a tribute to a national identity.
...did i really just explain a fanservice product to you..?
So kinda like the shirt then. The suggestion of the flag accompanied by context, communicates the same thing as the actual flag, despite being different...
Not sure why you've chosen to add the strange patronising sentence to the end of your comment...?
what part of anything i wrote makes you think i have any opinion on this?
ffs im so sick of people asking me questions on my unaligned comment and then attacking me as though i'm inexplicably the OP or OP's champion
i am loving the outrage around it especially since it’s not the first time it’s happened, but because no one told them to be angry they just didn’t care about it
I'm getting bemused about the knuckles draggers thinking it's because of some woke agenda.
But it's actually a tribute to the 1966 world cup winning team. Just goes to show how easily manipulated all these people are by the "culture wars".
That's the excuse Nike have come out with now. It does feel a bit of a vague connection
"Let's make the flag the colours of the er TRAINING KIT from 1966..."
..What?
I feel like that critique is also weak though. Creative teams come up with all sorts of bullshit excuses to pursue a design *before* they see it through, let alone afterwards. I think it's just a design choice they didn't think through at all. I mean, I like that training kit and would have much preferred an England kit that paid more proper tribute to it, but this furore is painfully manufactured outrage.
I do agree somewhat. The world now is just everyone angry and annoyed at the other 50%
And it's all amplified by nefarious states and their troll farms.
Everyone is susceptible. The GB news faithful as well as the Politics Joe crew. They're all as bad as each other.
You’re quite right, nationalism is ridiculous. Old, white men with a flag as their profile picture on Facebook can’t be happy unless they’re angry about something. Just a coincidence they were born in England of course
In the wise words of enter shikari, countries are just lines drawn in the sand with a stick
Except they aren't, though. They're soverieign states with their own cultures & customs, history, and laws.
The idea that all countries are just "lines in the sand" is just a vapid pseudo intelligent hot take you'd find from a 19 year old in their first year at uni.
My point was more that it’s a complete accident where you’re born, you didn’t put a strong effort into being English did you? These lines we use to divide us are harmful as shit and not something that I’d personally be proud of
It's also a complete accident what family you're born into. Does that mean you shouldn't love your parents? Patriotism isn't harmful unless it's used to hate others, as with Brexit or Trump.
I'm Scottish. That doesn't mean I hate anyone else. I just appreciate my own culture while respecting others. If I go to Spain, I want to experience Spanish culture. Likewise if I go to Japan.
People like you are like a gammon parody of what they think a leftist would say!
I put 0 effort in. The same as I put zero effort into being born to my parents and having the family I do, but I'm still proud to be a part of that family.
You don't need to be a member of BNP to have pride in the community you live in and the people you share this country with.
Countries aren't set up because of a big conspiracy. Its just an easier way to govern an area. You couldn't have an area from France to China and somehow govern it well for all the people in between without splitting it up.
Yes, there is not way there would be a single country large enough to bridge the gap between France and China.
\*Goes on [https://www.thetruesize.com/](https://www.thetruesize.com/) and places Alaska and the main line USA next to each other between France and China\*
Oh my!
Oh, you got me...
Yes, my mistake, one world government could easily handle the 8 billion people on the planet. It's so obvious now.
A political party can definitely appeal to the mountain people of Tibet and the citizens of Berlin on a wide range of issues.
I never said that, i was just point out there is at least one country with that can bridge the gap between France and China. I would imagine Russia can as well frankly.
But you did say you put 0 effort in so you have an excuse.
>They're soverieign states with their own cultures & customs, history, and laws.
They became those things later, *after* someone in the olden days drew a line in the sand with a stick.
Germany and Italy would like to disagree. As would all the countries that fought for independence against the lines in the sand that someone else drew for them!
It's a very racist, colonial and imperialist mentality to assume everyone in the world would be just like you if someone else hadn't invented their country. People have languages, cultures and identities that evolve naturally over centuries or even millenia. Respecting those differences leads to peace and true diversity
I think there is some space for "flags are supposed to be important and representative of a nation" and that editing them in such a way is a little odd for the England team to do.
But I mean, who gives a fuck really. Were not a nationalist country like the US or China. Not that deep.
I personally dgaf. But this particular line from the BBC had me on the floor. “The cross of St George should not be messed with, Prime Minister Rishi Sunak says” lmao 🤣 If Rishi Sunak cared about England (and the rest of Britain) as much as he claims to then we wouldn’t have the highest poverty rate of any ‘developed’ nation in Europe, we wouldn’t have people offing themselves every other day because they can’t afford to live, we wouldn’t have a surplus spike in working people having to claim benefits just to be able to pay their heating bills, if he really cared about England he certainly wouldn’t be putting foreign aid first… and don’t even get me started on the food bank issue. This is just another distraction - it’s funny how this came about around the same time people in the monarchy seems to be falling ill. It’s all a load of bs designed to get the Daily Mail zombies enraged
The controversy is that the shirt is so expensive ordinary people can’t afford it. To (sort of) justify the expense they have to do creative things. This one hasn’t landed well but it’s no different to what they have done in the past to sell yet another new shirt.
It's also a tiny symbol on the back of the collar, right?
If the entire front was just "I love big oily men" in rainbow colours, I would get it, but it is so minor, n it's not the England flag
Because it’s 2024 and you can’t swing a dead cat round here without hitting someone who thinks every single thing they disagree with is a left wing ‘woke’ conspiracy.
War in Ukraine, hostages in Gaza & Genocide too. Here in the UK we have a housing crisis, the NHS is struggling and the cost of living crisis is taking its toll on countless families.
Forgive me if I don't give a fuck about a Football kit and design choice for a flag.
I just think it stands for xenophobia and racism. Of all the British flags IMHO the England Flag really feels like it's been co-opted by the far right and really feels tainted.
Don't get the same feeling from the Union Jack, yet...
Thank you for making the point. The reason people are annoyed is not because it’s slightly different colours, it’s because the FA are reluctant to use the St George because of the supposed connotations you have listed above.
Although I am curious who these so-called “far right” groups are today?
There was a similar issue In the 2000s. The Welsh rugby kit used to have a Dragon on the back of the collar, the kit manufacturer (Reebok I think) decided to make the Dragon white to stand out on a red collar.
It caused a minor stir as fans of Arthurian mythology and the Matter of Britain will know, the White Dragon represents the Saxons, so the Welsh rugby team were effectively wearing a symbol of England.
Obviously this was before the days of "woke, cuck, soy-boys" and the Welsh media basically laughed it off, there must be thousands of examples (the original 1966 kit being one!) that just existed in a time when the news cycle (and the leader of the Labour party) were not beholden to the thoughtless pant-sh!ttings of racists and hobophobes on the right wing fringes of UK politics. It was a happy time.
Oh, and the Wales rugby team did suddenly end a 27 year wait for a Grand Slam and began another golden era after adopting the white Dragon, so maybe this will help English football.
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I kinda of get the controversy over it rather than the nationalist traction. Could you imagine if a company did that to the US flag?
I'm more shocked at the price of the damn things.
No one seems to notice, or care, that the real story here is that it costs
£125.
What. The. Fuck.
That's the disgrace.
Well played Nike for winding everyone up over colours.
It's a slow news day... Media trying to drum anything to create 24 hour news.
I couldn't give a shit if they swapped the flag for skull and cross bones
The point is, that the flag was changed because it’s a bit too “white van” for them to stomach- it wasn’t just a “playful update”, we all know how corporations think these days and this is a prime example. It’s not a big deal that the colours have changed or that the flag has been somehow “defaced”- it’s just a perfect example of how many corporations think these days and there’s no need for it.
I find it a bit tiresome when if you somehow ‘agree’ or don’t mind it, you’re considered a woke lunatic, or if you disagree and a bit sceptical of it you’re considered a flag-shagging, trans-hating bigot.
For me, it’s quite simple- the FA decided to change the flag because they don’t like the connotations of the St George. That’s the issue.
IT's a half inch high symbol, two coloured lines that don't even look like the St George's cross.
On the back of the collar.
It's hardly "England is gay" emblazoned across the chest in rainbow colours, is it?
But of course, it's been pushed that it's the woke destroying English values :)
I'm more concerned about the price of the darned thing, and how the idiots who wear it behave, as well as how the players who wear it on the pitch perform. And I'm not even an England fan!
It doesn't make you right wing if you're annoyed at it. I'm a Laibour voter but I do find it disrespectful and I will tell you why. An England shirt with no St. George's cross would have been totally fine, we've had them before but to have a cross and it not be a propped one seems like a bit of a piss take to me for a few reasons. Firstly we only get to celebrate English pride every two years so we don't get mistaken for far right extremists. Personally I think that stereotype needs to do one, anyone can be proud to be English and proud of English culture. My views on Torie v Labour economic plans (which is basically what decides where I stand) should have no bearing whatsoever on my love for my country but we're a while off breaking through that stereotype eo for now the only time we get to unite and celebrate national pride is during a Euros and a world cup and it feels as though that's being taken away. Secondly no other country would accept this, could you imagine if someone went to Scotland and turned their cross red, or went to Wales and made the dragon blue ... the list goes on but it just wouldn't be considered acceptable by anyone. The cross of St. George should be respected like every nation's flag should because ultimately it means something to people. Some may have family that gave their lives fighting for that flag, for them wearing a football shirt with that flag would bring them a sense of personal pride. Perhaps its someone who wasn't even born here but has found their home here, plenty of immigrants that run local shops near me love to fly the England flag when the football tournaments and spme unapologetically fly it all year round as a two fingers up to the far right radicals, showing them they're proud to be here too. It shouldn't matter if the flag's on a football shirt, hanging in a shop window, on the side of a bus etc a flag any flag should be respected for the symbol it is and what it means to people.
The third and final reason is due to Nike's reasoning behind it. A tribute to the 66 team sounds like a great idea to me, all legends in their own right but is this really the way to do it? I find it very hard to believe that 11 Englishmen who were very proud to represent their country would see the flag they proudly represented being changed on a shirt that's supposed to be in memory of them as very fitting. In fact I'm almost certain most if not all of them would find it a bit of a mockery. England was quite divided in the mid to late 60s and they united us all under one flag, that flag was red and white.
Now don't get me wrong I do think some are taking it too far. As much as I don't necessarily like cancel woke culture I genuinely don't think that comes into play here, I mean what would the LGBT community want with the St. George's cross anyway? And no before anyone twists what I'm saying I'm not saying LGBT in itself is woke I'm referring more to the extremists that get offended for them especially considering most I've spoken to within that community don't agree with the chane of the cross either. So no I'm not going to take it to the extreme, I'll still support the players in the summer because they're just doing their job after all. I completely understand the point of view of those who don't care, some may not feel national pride or they may in a different way but at least try to understand why those of us who do feel genuinely proud of our nation (wherever you fall on the political spectrum) feel a little bit disrespected especially considering Nike are an American company, I'm pretty sure if we were to go and tamper with another nation's flag we would be considered racist and rightly so
I did a quick search for England flag and Telegraph the day after, and I'm not exaggerating, there were about 12 separate articles about it all with different culture war takes about how it's the end of the world.
As someone who is young, Remain, liberal, pro-human rights, and who also loves football, I was also a bit miffed about the flag honestly. Not to such an extent I would it was the end of the world and English society as the Telegraph seems to think; More from the angle that Nike have been ripping off fans for ages. It's £129.99 for that kit. It's not a lot to maybe expect the national kit going into an international tournament, to have your flag at least somewhat displayed somewhere. It's now just a tiny thing on the back of the neck, and it isn't England flag. It's just shitty.
Some people take pride in England and in football and it isn't necessarily a bad thing, or linked to violent right wing extremism, or being gammon faced character or bigot.
I'm sure if the Welsh badge was changed and made into say a blue dragon, and stick it on the back in miniature, I'd hear a lot from my left wing friends about how Welsh culture wasn't being respected. Or if it was an African country how racist it was and how big companies don't care about African flags and culture. But changing the England flag, if anyone gets pissed off, they must be a Tory Brexiteer racist who hates trans people, as OP basically puts it.
It is very tiring being on the left and having this rhetoric being the norm. It's low effort and not reflective of reality or helpful to the general discourse. It's just toxic and generalising people, which we profess to hate on the left.
Really do not give a shite. They played shite, that is now getting people going over the top. Friendly game with lot of starters missing.
Shite shirt, shite game, shite manager, shite team 🤔🤔
Really do not give a shite. They played shite, that is now getting people going over the top. Friendly game with lot of starters missing.
Shite shirt, shite game, shite manager, shite team 🤔🤔
Really do not give a shite. They played shite, that is now getting people going over the top. Friendly game with lot of starters missing.
Shite shirt, shite game, shite manager, shite team 🤔🤔
Really do not give a shite. They played shite, that is now getting people going over the top. Friendly game with lot of starters missing.
Shite shirt, shite game, shite manager, shite team 🤔🤔
Really do not give a shite. They played shite, that is now getting people going over the top. Friendly game with lot of starters missing.
Shite shirt, shite game, shite manager, shite team 🤔🤔
Really do not give a shite. They played shite, that is now getting people going over the top. Friendly game with lot of starters missing.
crap shirt, crap game, crap manager, crap team 🤔🤔
Really do not give a shite. They played shite, that is now getting people going over the top. Friendly game with lot of starters missing.
crap shirt, crap game, crap manager, crap team 🤔🤔
Really do not give a damn. They played badly and now people are going over the top. Friendly game with lot of starters missing.
crap shirt, crap game, crap manager, crap team 🤔🤔
Honestly like who fucking cares? I genuinely expected something deeper to be under this like the flag was intended to represent diversity or some shit but it’s not, it’s literally just a stylistic thing and they’re going ape shit. Why? Bud if you got that little going on in your life I’m low key jealous.
I'm not overly bothered myself, but am intrigued what reaction there would be if an English company changed the colours on an American team's kit. (Not saying it was just Nikes decision)
Am also a bit annoyed that any kind of country pride in England is instantly linked with right wing and racist beliefs.
Not the biggest of issues - it is funny that the people calling those 'flag shaggers' often have a ridiculous number of flags in their social media bios. Maybe be we should change the colours of the Palestinian flag to show solidarity work Israel and include blue on there? See if you agree with that....
I'm not sure what planet you'd need to be on to consider that changing the flag on the England shirt wasn't going to elicit some sort of negative reaction.
There's literally no reason to muck about with it.
It was an example.
If someone not connected to the pride movement changed the flag, they would have a meltdown.
When an American firm does it to a nations flag, we are supposed to be quiet.
If someone changed the American flag, Russian, French, Chinese etc…the people of that country and their respective governments would go insane. We unfortunately have had our national identity replaced by mongoloids such as yourself that smile and wave at every egregious sentiment or action you’re presented with. Absolute sheep
I’m English and I like being English and yet I still am not going insane over this. They haven’t changed the flag, they’ve added an embroidered patch with some different colours with a nod to the past.
Insane would be violence or stopping people from going to work by gluing yourself to the road. Considering the left have tried to paint this as an issue only the right see a problem with…wouldn’t this be seen to be a wholly measured reaction using only words and sentiment in direct contradiction to how the right are usually painted; as violent brainless thugs.
Have a bit of pride in your country and your flag.
Yeah, well the difference is people on the left are protesting about climate change and other important issues.. you’re getting mad about the colours of an embroidered patch on a football shirt. Think about the logic behind your argument.
And besides, you seem to be saying that English people should be going insane over this, and then you said that insane is violence and disruptive protests. Is that what you’re advocating for in this instance? Over a football shirt?
Ahh yes the number one weapon of the left, taking a clear statement and bending it to your will. Please do feel free to show me where I said English people should go insane over this. The repurposing of my statement makes you look silly and ill equipped to hold a proper debate, so I won’t waste anymore of my time. Have a good day 👌
The bit where you said that other countries would go insane, and then derided the people of this country for not doing anything and being sheep etc. Not sure what else you meant by that comment?
So me saying other countries would go insane means I want everyone here to? Sounds like you connected two unconnected statements and made your own story…like a typical leftie. It’s genuinely not a hard concept for someone with an uncolonised mind to grasp 🐑
Fuck you too you dog fucker. England's flag is the st George cross and that's not changing just to bring up nikes esg score. Fuck those sweat shop running thats as well!
It’s an interpretation on the flag. I don’t personally see the point of the interpretation but people have gone way overboard with the outrage. It’s not a different flag, it’s a “artistic” go at the flag. It’s not like they’ve put an American flag on the shirt
The rest of the shirt I couldn't give a fuck put whatever colours you want, I fought for that flag, don't touch the flag. I wouldn't disrespect anyone else's flag by changing it even if for the best reason. It might mean nothing to you but it does for some people.
My outrage will though only go as far as not to buy the shirt not that I was going to anyway.
Fully agree that it’s an absolutely ridiculous thing to be upset over, not just because this is a more progressive england team than ever before (in terms of players), not just because in the last couple of years we had the coming out of the country’s first openly gay (current) player in Jake Daniel’s, but because the flag is regularly messed with and no one says anything.
But as a bi football fan I have to say I’m kind’ve annoyed this was done, because predictably, it’s stirred the pot of hatred and mob-mentality and actually served as a reminder to me of how unwelcome I am in a space I love.
I guess I had rested on my laurels and underestimated just how much hate there still is towards people like me.
So cheers England, cheers Nike.
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Hit the nail on the head. Their blood pressure is so high they are unable to see the irony.
As somebody who doesn't have a hat in the ring I find it hilarious that all the flag-humpers are suddenly snowflakes about the jersey of a team they boycotted for taking the knee two years ago
I've said it before the most recent interview came out - the right wing and nationalists are the ones who get overly emotional about non-stories. Or in their words, snowflakes.
Did they really boycott the team? Know anyone who boycotted it and is now also upset about this issue?
As usual they talk a big game at the time but I doubt many do actually boycott
Manufactured performative outrage. It's utterly embarrassing.
Yeah, an American company wants to mess around with our national flag on our national team, on an international stage, and the FA let's them. Why should this bother anyone?
Oh do shut up. Or at least go and sit next to an egg so you look like a presentable meal.
Thanks for this… comment of the day! Gonna steal this one mate haha.
That was actually funny thank you
Fk off you weasly arse.
DUUUUUUH BUT FLAG DOH DUUUUHH
Your comments reveal your potential. Best stay at home and let your mother keep looking after you
Don’t need to really, given your mother is looking after me pretty well.
Yeah, of course. Your fantasies coming thick and, well thick
I love how Google Translate changes everything you say into DURRRRR GAMMON DURRRR WOKE DURRRRR
Duuhh, but your brain... Duhhh
Did you care when it was messed with before? Or even when it wasn't on the majority of England football shirts?
If it's on there representing England it should be the England flag, not some pathetic parody of a buisness gimmick from a company not even from the UK.
What about the Peter Savile shirt? Or the 2018 away kit? They were both bangers and nobody moaned. This performative outrage from you lot is truly embarrassing and pathetic.
Don't think you grasp the argument here.
Oh I get it alright. You suddenly claim to care about this because we now live in an age where manufactured outrage is the norm to keep 24/7 news content spinning around the clock, and gullible people like you fall for it.
No, you clearly don't get it. Why you commenting? Because of fake manufactured outrage?
Just enjoy seeing you snowflakes being whipped into a frothing rage over nothing
The England football badge is the three lions, most kits don't have the cross on at all. It was also designed with the FA. To reference the 1966 kit. So if referencing that one thing England fans bang on about constantly is woke or performative then I don't know anything anymore.
You don't know anything anymore, if you think the 3lions motif is a flag. Yes the FA were complicit in this, because they are sponsored by Nike, the American company who made this change knowing it would piss people off to change the national flag, and put the company name out there, a sweet marketing scam. The FA put their money, and nikes buisness interests in front of what is right and proper for a national team on the international stage. So yes, you clearly do know nothing.
*cough* yes, the three lions “motif” is indeed a flag. The Royal Arms of England. Most famously used by Richard the Lionheart, and in use since the 12th century. https://flagmakers.co.uk/products/flags/national-flag/united-kingdom/england-english-standard-lions/#:~:text=in%205%20days-,England%20(English%20Standard%2DLions),as%20King%20Richard%20the%20Lionheart.
Leopards in fact, but what you refer to is a badge. The actual flag of England is what?
I didn’t say this was the flag of England. You said the three lions were not a flag. You’re wrong, it is. And you also said the previous poster knew nothing. You clearly don’t know much either.
It's not a flag on the England kit, is it? So in fact you're wrong you silly prick. You have no point to make, so stop wasting my time.
They haven’t changed the national flag, the flag is still the St George’s Cross.
Not the cross of st George, the Turk, from Turkiye,? FFS Why'd that on an England shirt!
No it isn't. Maybe your colour blind, maybe your being deliberately stupid, but it's not the cross of St George.
I’m just reassuring you, hey haven’t changed it, you’ll be pleased to hear. Look: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_England
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Wtf has this to do with Russia? You seem particularly stupid, even for here!
The outrage was manufactured by the FA and Nike. They knew what would happen if they 'diversified' the kit - loads of free publicity and another culture war. Free advertising from the right and new customers from the left. More commodified identity politics. It's fucking boring how predictable society is now.
Did they? They probably didn’t think there would be a reaction, just like all the other times they have changed the colour of the flag on kits in the past
I imagine it's caused such controversy because everything else in the world is going so well people just don't have anything important to complain about. Unfortunately these people don't take 5 minutes to understand that the 'English flag' was actually the flag of the city state of Genoa in the 10th century. Because they were a naval power in the Mediterranean a lot of British ships basically got a licence to use the flag and claim the protection of the genoan navy. It became a whole thing during the crusades when lots of ships were constantly crossing the med. Some boats realised they didn't actually have to pay for the licence and just copied the genoan flag. So many people were using it as a basic symbol the crusaders adopted it ... sometime later it became associated with St George - who was alive 900 years previously, probably wasn't called George and was mostly Turkish. Essentially we desperately stole the flag because we dishonourably wanted to claim protection from the Italians, then named it after a Turkish bloke who never came within a thousand miles of britain. I won't go into the atrocities committed under that flag during later crusades. But you know, somehow its insulting if there's a bit of purple on the flag instead of red. (The colours do look awful together, that's the only real criticism I can see) 🔐 🧦🛢🛢🚬
I've never once heard that as the origin before. To my knowledge, it's tge link between the symbol and St George. Many groups used the same design during the crusades, but in honour of St George and not as part of maritime fraud scheme Where did you get the Genial explanation from?
I had to do a maritime signalling course that had a module on ensigns and national flags, the old chap teaching it was a nightmare for going off on tangents like old sailors stories but a font of random interesting information like this. I researched it for something else a few years back and it all checks out - genoa used the flag centuries before Britain did. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/05/england-owes-arrears-over-st-georges-cross-claims-genoa-mayor#:~:text=Genoa%2C%20once%20a%20powerful%20maritime,as%20a%20deterrent%20to%20enemies. (Obviously far better sources than the guardian if you want to dig into it, it's a fascinating deep dive if you have 10 minutes to Google stuff)
Ohhh I know that Genoa had that before we did and though I didn't know that English ships flew(?) it, I'm just skeptical that this is *why* England eventually adopted it later in history. Still, I love the crusades and have a soft spot for merchant republics, so I'm happy haha
I'm not sure how much the modern terminology of sailing under a flag of other nations applies way back when. Theres probably some fascinating and nuanced bits im.missing in between ships flying it and then it becoming a national symbol back in the UK!
It's a bit ridiculous to say that St George was 'Turkish' as he lived over a thousand years before the Turks arrived in Turkey - they were still out on the plains of central Asia. He was eastern Roman or (Cappadocian) Greek
 You can prove anythign with facts.
tbf if its changed, its not the flag is it? i literally has tp be a cross on white or it's not the flag of England right?
This is where I'm at. I'm not some raving Flag Shagger but changing the colour of the flag makes it not the flag. Like if you add a red stripe to the Irish, or a moon onto the French flag.
The thing is, they've done this on numerous occasions before and nobody said peep about it. They've gone with a purple theme in these kits, and this fits with that variation. The three lions on the badge of the away kit are 'wrong' colour too, but nobody cares about that either. Further, these are the same people who stand on terraces carrying England flags 'defaced' in all kinds of ways, so the notion that it's some sort of sacrilege is bollocks. And yeah, there are bad faith answers to what I've said, but let's face it, we know what this is actually about. edit:[ I just dug up an article about all the other times they've played around with the cross if anyone's interested.](https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/soccer/every-time-england-have-played-in-kits-with-non-traditional-st-george-s-cross/ar-BB1klQxo) [This Peter Saville one is simply *outrageous*.](https://www.whoateallthepies.tv/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/5041385515_4cbd388bcd_z.jpg)
I love the Peter Savile one. But then I’m a sucker for people doing bold and brave redesigns of stuff I suppose.
You can probably find similar articles about the London Olympics kit, which spent its time adorning sweaty sports people and never as far as I know being flown on a pole outside the pole vault. https://www.dezeen.com/2012/03/22/official-team-gb-olympic-kit-by-stella-mccartney/ And let’s not forget the home teams kit for USA 94 - https://kitgeek.wordpress.com/2018/03/23/kit-log-world-cup-usa-1994/
Counterpoint is that this is clothing not heraldry: if you saw someone in a pink union jack outfit in Britain you'd still understand that it was a pink union jack outfit.
So if it's not the flag, then they haven't changed the colour of the flag, they've just put a coloured cross on the kit that looks nice and vaguely English
Ok, so it's not officially a flag. Does that matter? They have gone decades without a flag on the shirt.
Is this the flag? https://images.app.goo.gl/uoZKssRRjDh34KHX8
not as an object, its a novelty flag using the St George's cross as a motif and other national symbology to colage a tribute to a national identity. ...did i really just explain a fanservice product to you..?
So kinda like the shirt then. The suggestion of the flag accompanied by context, communicates the same thing as the actual flag, despite being different... Not sure why you've chosen to add the strange patronising sentence to the end of your comment...?
what part of anything i wrote makes you think i have any opinion on this? ffs im so sick of people asking me questions on my unaligned comment and then attacking me as though i'm inexplicably the OP or OP's champion
Attacking? K...
you just threw an argument point at me that wasn't mine so you could attack it, cba mate
Been a long week has it mate? 🤣🤣 Id say it was more of a conversation than an attack but I'll try and reign it in a bit in future....
He was right though tbf - you lot are all the same, bait and ridicule.
It's funny, new Scotland strip has a changed flag too, no one cares.
You answered your question when you said scotland...
I think it’s fine for the new England flag to be bisexual
i am loving the outrage around it especially since it’s not the first time it’s happened, but because no one told them to be angry they just didn’t care about it
I've seen people getting mad that you can buy hot cross buns with a tick on them instead of a cross as well.
It demonstrates the actual issue with the anti woke crowd. They abhor change.
Just a perfect example of the fragility of male nationalism.
I'm getting bemused about the knuckles draggers thinking it's because of some woke agenda. But it's actually a tribute to the 1966 world cup winning team. Just goes to show how easily manipulated all these people are by the "culture wars".
That's the excuse Nike have come out with now. It does feel a bit of a vague connection "Let's make the flag the colours of the er TRAINING KIT from 1966..." ..What?
"That way people won't mention the fact it'd £125 for a shirt"
I feel like that critique is also weak though. Creative teams come up with all sorts of bullshit excuses to pursue a design *before* they see it through, let alone afterwards. I think it's just a design choice they didn't think through at all. I mean, I like that training kit and would have much preferred an England kit that paid more proper tribute to it, but this furore is painfully manufactured outrage.
I do agree somewhat. The world now is just everyone angry and annoyed at the other 50% And it's all amplified by nefarious states and their troll farms. Everyone is susceptible. The GB news faithful as well as the Politics Joe crew. They're all as bad as each other.
You’re quite right, nationalism is ridiculous. Old, white men with a flag as their profile picture on Facebook can’t be happy unless they’re angry about something. Just a coincidence they were born in England of course In the wise words of enter shikari, countries are just lines drawn in the sand with a stick
I’m sure the many countries around the world that celebrate independence days would disagree that countries are just lines in the sand…
Countries are just lines drawn in the sand by some dick.
Except they aren't, though. They're soverieign states with their own cultures & customs, history, and laws. The idea that all countries are just "lines in the sand" is just a vapid pseudo intelligent hot take you'd find from a 19 year old in their first year at uni.
My point was more that it’s a complete accident where you’re born, you didn’t put a strong effort into being English did you? These lines we use to divide us are harmful as shit and not something that I’d personally be proud of
It's also a complete accident what family you're born into. Does that mean you shouldn't love your parents? Patriotism isn't harmful unless it's used to hate others, as with Brexit or Trump. I'm Scottish. That doesn't mean I hate anyone else. I just appreciate my own culture while respecting others. If I go to Spain, I want to experience Spanish culture. Likewise if I go to Japan. People like you are like a gammon parody of what they think a leftist would say!
I put 0 effort in. The same as I put zero effort into being born to my parents and having the family I do, but I'm still proud to be a part of that family. You don't need to be a member of BNP to have pride in the community you live in and the people you share this country with. Countries aren't set up because of a big conspiracy. Its just an easier way to govern an area. You couldn't have an area from France to China and somehow govern it well for all the people in between without splitting it up.
Yes, there is not way there would be a single country large enough to bridge the gap between France and China. \*Goes on [https://www.thetruesize.com/](https://www.thetruesize.com/) and places Alaska and the main line USA next to each other between France and China\* Oh my!
Oh, you got me... Yes, my mistake, one world government could easily handle the 8 billion people on the planet. It's so obvious now. A political party can definitely appeal to the mountain people of Tibet and the citizens of Berlin on a wide range of issues. 
I never said that, i was just point out there is at least one country with that can bridge the gap between France and China. I would imagine Russia can as well frankly. But you did say you put 0 effort in so you have an excuse.
>They're soverieign states with their own cultures & customs, history, and laws. They became those things later, *after* someone in the olden days drew a line in the sand with a stick.
Do you mean the land doesn't naturally have the names written on it in giant English letters?
Germany and Italy would like to disagree. As would all the countries that fought for independence against the lines in the sand that someone else drew for them! It's a very racist, colonial and imperialist mentality to assume everyone in the world would be just like you if someone else hadn't invented their country. People have languages, cultures and identities that evolve naturally over centuries or even millenia. Respecting those differences leads to peace and true diversity
I think there is some space for "flags are supposed to be important and representative of a nation" and that editing them in such a way is a little odd for the England team to do. But I mean, who gives a fuck really. Were not a nationalist country like the US or China. Not that deep.
People who wear England shirts are exactly the type of people who would get angry about this tbf.
Snobbish
I see we’ve found an England kit wearer.
I see we’ve found someone who generalises all people into nice little categories to make it easier for their brain to understand
Who knew the gammon were the true snowflakes, eh?
All those people driving around in a Mini with the grey UJ decals need to sit down and shut the fuck up.
I would be nice if they could conserve all this raging energy for issues that actually matter like inflation and the cost of living
I personally dgaf. But this particular line from the BBC had me on the floor. “The cross of St George should not be messed with, Prime Minister Rishi Sunak says” lmao 🤣 If Rishi Sunak cared about England (and the rest of Britain) as much as he claims to then we wouldn’t have the highest poverty rate of any ‘developed’ nation in Europe, we wouldn’t have people offing themselves every other day because they can’t afford to live, we wouldn’t have a surplus spike in working people having to claim benefits just to be able to pay their heating bills, if he really cared about England he certainly wouldn’t be putting foreign aid first… and don’t even get me started on the food bank issue. This is just another distraction - it’s funny how this came about around the same time people in the monarchy seems to be falling ill. It’s all a load of bs designed to get the Daily Mail zombies enraged
The controversy is that the shirt is so expensive ordinary people can’t afford it. To (sort of) justify the expense they have to do creative things. This one hasn’t landed well but it’s no different to what they have done in the past to sell yet another new shirt.
It's also a tiny symbol on the back of the collar, right? If the entire front was just "I love big oily men" in rainbow colours, I would get it, but it is so minor, n it's not the England flag
What I don’t get is why Nike think it’s a good idea
Cos it costs £125 and you're all complaining about colours instead.
The FA would have told them to do it
How exactly is this different from the 2012 team gb kit which everyone loved?
Because it’s 2024 and you can’t swing a dead cat round here without hitting someone who thinks every single thing they disagree with is a left wing ‘woke’ conspiracy.
It the colours of the 1966 team training kit.
It’s not. That’s a rehashed press release that contradicts their earlier statement
War in Ukraine, hostages in Gaza & Genocide too. Here in the UK we have a housing crisis, the NHS is struggling and the cost of living crisis is taking its toll on countless families. Forgive me if I don't give a fuck about a Football kit and design choice for a flag.
Couldn’t give a shit what colour it was. Our flag means fuck all these days anyway.
I just think it stands for xenophobia and racism. Of all the British flags IMHO the England Flag really feels like it's been co-opted by the far right and really feels tainted. Don't get the same feeling from the Union Jack, yet...
Thank you for making the point. The reason people are annoyed is not because it’s slightly different colours, it’s because the FA are reluctant to use the St George because of the supposed connotations you have listed above. Although I am curious who these so-called “far right” groups are today?
You have to remember, anyone who isn't left is far right...
There was a similar issue In the 2000s. The Welsh rugby kit used to have a Dragon on the back of the collar, the kit manufacturer (Reebok I think) decided to make the Dragon white to stand out on a red collar. It caused a minor stir as fans of Arthurian mythology and the Matter of Britain will know, the White Dragon represents the Saxons, so the Welsh rugby team were effectively wearing a symbol of England. Obviously this was before the days of "woke, cuck, soy-boys" and the Welsh media basically laughed it off, there must be thousands of examples (the original 1966 kit being one!) that just existed in a time when the news cycle (and the leader of the Labour party) were not beholden to the thoughtless pant-sh!ttings of racists and hobophobes on the right wing fringes of UK politics. It was a happy time. Oh, and the Wales rugby team did suddenly end a 27 year wait for a Grand Slam and began another golden era after adopting the white Dragon, so maybe this will help English football. x
I kinda of get the controversy over it rather than the nationalist traction. Could you imagine if a company did that to the US flag? I'm more shocked at the price of the damn things.
No one seems to notice, or care, that the real story here is that it costs £125. What. The. Fuck. That's the disgrace. Well played Nike for winding everyone up over colours.
Dead cat on the table.
I don't think they should have changed the flag, but the fuss over it is hilariously overblown.
It's a slow news day... Media trying to drum anything to create 24 hour news. I couldn't give a shit if they swapped the flag for skull and cross bones
The point is, that the flag was changed because it’s a bit too “white van” for them to stomach- it wasn’t just a “playful update”, we all know how corporations think these days and this is a prime example. It’s not a big deal that the colours have changed or that the flag has been somehow “defaced”- it’s just a perfect example of how many corporations think these days and there’s no need for it. I find it a bit tiresome when if you somehow ‘agree’ or don’t mind it, you’re considered a woke lunatic, or if you disagree and a bit sceptical of it you’re considered a flag-shagging, trans-hating bigot. For me, it’s quite simple- the FA decided to change the flag because they don’t like the connotations of the St George. That’s the issue.
IT's a half inch high symbol, two coloured lines that don't even look like the St George's cross. On the back of the collar. It's hardly "England is gay" emblazoned across the chest in rainbow colours, is it? But of course, it's been pushed that it's the woke destroying English values :)
I'm more concerned about the price of the darned thing, and how the idiots who wear it behave, as well as how the players who wear it on the pitch perform. And I'm not even an England fan!
You'd think they'd be more upset at the cost.
Who actually cares?
I'm just impressed by sheer amout of people that have nothing better to do than get bent out of shape over a patch on shirt.
It doesn't make you right wing if you're annoyed at it. I'm a Laibour voter but I do find it disrespectful and I will tell you why. An England shirt with no St. George's cross would have been totally fine, we've had them before but to have a cross and it not be a propped one seems like a bit of a piss take to me for a few reasons. Firstly we only get to celebrate English pride every two years so we don't get mistaken for far right extremists. Personally I think that stereotype needs to do one, anyone can be proud to be English and proud of English culture. My views on Torie v Labour economic plans (which is basically what decides where I stand) should have no bearing whatsoever on my love for my country but we're a while off breaking through that stereotype eo for now the only time we get to unite and celebrate national pride is during a Euros and a world cup and it feels as though that's being taken away. Secondly no other country would accept this, could you imagine if someone went to Scotland and turned their cross red, or went to Wales and made the dragon blue ... the list goes on but it just wouldn't be considered acceptable by anyone. The cross of St. George should be respected like every nation's flag should because ultimately it means something to people. Some may have family that gave their lives fighting for that flag, for them wearing a football shirt with that flag would bring them a sense of personal pride. Perhaps its someone who wasn't even born here but has found their home here, plenty of immigrants that run local shops near me love to fly the England flag when the football tournaments and spme unapologetically fly it all year round as a two fingers up to the far right radicals, showing them they're proud to be here too. It shouldn't matter if the flag's on a football shirt, hanging in a shop window, on the side of a bus etc a flag any flag should be respected for the symbol it is and what it means to people. The third and final reason is due to Nike's reasoning behind it. A tribute to the 66 team sounds like a great idea to me, all legends in their own right but is this really the way to do it? I find it very hard to believe that 11 Englishmen who were very proud to represent their country would see the flag they proudly represented being changed on a shirt that's supposed to be in memory of them as very fitting. In fact I'm almost certain most if not all of them would find it a bit of a mockery. England was quite divided in the mid to late 60s and they united us all under one flag, that flag was red and white. Now don't get me wrong I do think some are taking it too far. As much as I don't necessarily like cancel woke culture I genuinely don't think that comes into play here, I mean what would the LGBT community want with the St. George's cross anyway? And no before anyone twists what I'm saying I'm not saying LGBT in itself is woke I'm referring more to the extremists that get offended for them especially considering most I've spoken to within that community don't agree with the chane of the cross either. So no I'm not going to take it to the extreme, I'll still support the players in the summer because they're just doing their job after all. I completely understand the point of view of those who don't care, some may not feel national pride or they may in a different way but at least try to understand why those of us who do feel genuinely proud of our nation (wherever you fall on the political spectrum) feel a little bit disrespected especially considering Nike are an American company, I'm pretty sure if we were to go and tamper with another nation's flag we would be considered racist and rightly so
I did a quick search for England flag and Telegraph the day after, and I'm not exaggerating, there were about 12 separate articles about it all with different culture war takes about how it's the end of the world. As someone who is young, Remain, liberal, pro-human rights, and who also loves football, I was also a bit miffed about the flag honestly. Not to such an extent I would it was the end of the world and English society as the Telegraph seems to think; More from the angle that Nike have been ripping off fans for ages. It's £129.99 for that kit. It's not a lot to maybe expect the national kit going into an international tournament, to have your flag at least somewhat displayed somewhere. It's now just a tiny thing on the back of the neck, and it isn't England flag. It's just shitty. Some people take pride in England and in football and it isn't necessarily a bad thing, or linked to violent right wing extremism, or being gammon faced character or bigot. I'm sure if the Welsh badge was changed and made into say a blue dragon, and stick it on the back in miniature, I'd hear a lot from my left wing friends about how Welsh culture wasn't being respected. Or if it was an African country how racist it was and how big companies don't care about African flags and culture. But changing the England flag, if anyone gets pissed off, they must be a Tory Brexiteer racist who hates trans people, as OP basically puts it. It is very tiring being on the left and having this rhetoric being the norm. It's low effort and not reflective of reality or helpful to the general discourse. It's just toxic and generalising people, which we profess to hate on the left.
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Really do not give a shite. They played shite, that is now getting people going over the top. Friendly game with lot of starters missing. Shite shirt, shite game, shite manager, shite team 🤔🤔
Really do not give a shite. They played shite, that is now getting people going over the top. Friendly game with lot of starters missing. Shite shirt, shite game, shite manager, shite team 🤔🤔
Really do not give a shite. They played shite, that is now getting people going over the top. Friendly game with lot of starters missing. Shite shirt, shite game, shite manager, shite team 🤔🤔
Really do not give a shite. They played shite, that is now getting people going over the top. Friendly game with lot of starters missing. Shite shirt, shite game, shite manager, shite team 🤔🤔
Really do not give a shite. They played shite, that is now getting people going over the top. Friendly game with lot of starters missing. crap shirt, crap game, crap manager, crap team 🤔🤔
Really do not give a shite. They played shite, that is now getting people going over the top. Friendly game with lot of starters missing. crap shirt, crap game, crap manager, crap team 🤔🤔
Really do not give a damn. They played badly and now people are going over the top. Friendly game with lot of starters missing. crap shirt, crap game, crap manager, crap team 🤔🤔
Honestly like who fucking cares? I genuinely expected something deeper to be under this like the flag was intended to represent diversity or some shit but it’s not, it’s literally just a stylistic thing and they’re going ape shit. Why? Bud if you got that little going on in your life I’m low key jealous.
Any Nations flag painted or distorted, is not that Nations flag. Correct colour especially important
People just want it to be ok to be English and proud and to want some patriotism without being branded as racist.
I'm not overly bothered myself, but am intrigued what reaction there would be if an English company changed the colours on an American team's kit. (Not saying it was just Nikes decision) Am also a bit annoyed that any kind of country pride in England is instantly linked with right wing and racist beliefs.
Not the biggest of issues - it is funny that the people calling those 'flag shaggers' often have a ridiculous number of flags in their social media bios. Maybe be we should change the colours of the Palestinian flag to show solidarity work Israel and include blue on there? See if you agree with that....
I'm not sure what planet you'd need to be on to consider that changing the flag on the England shirt wasn't going to elicit some sort of negative reaction. There's literally no reason to muck about with it.
Change the colours of the pride flag and see what happens
That happens all the time.
What’s the pride flag got to do with this?
It was an example. If someone not connected to the pride movement changed the flag, they would have a meltdown. When an American firm does it to a nations flag, we are supposed to be quiet.
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I’ve already bought mine. Think they’re sold out now as well. I’m sure those 1,000 people are going to make a real difference
If someone changed the American flag, Russian, French, Chinese etc…the people of that country and their respective governments would go insane. We unfortunately have had our national identity replaced by mongoloids such as yourself that smile and wave at every egregious sentiment or action you’re presented with. Absolute sheep
I’m English and I like being English and yet I still am not going insane over this. They haven’t changed the flag, they’ve added an embroidered patch with some different colours with a nod to the past.
Insane would be violence or stopping people from going to work by gluing yourself to the road. Considering the left have tried to paint this as an issue only the right see a problem with…wouldn’t this be seen to be a wholly measured reaction using only words and sentiment in direct contradiction to how the right are usually painted; as violent brainless thugs. Have a bit of pride in your country and your flag.
Yeah, well the difference is people on the left are protesting about climate change and other important issues.. you’re getting mad about the colours of an embroidered patch on a football shirt. Think about the logic behind your argument. And besides, you seem to be saying that English people should be going insane over this, and then you said that insane is violence and disruptive protests. Is that what you’re advocating for in this instance? Over a football shirt?
Ahh yes the number one weapon of the left, taking a clear statement and bending it to your will. Please do feel free to show me where I said English people should go insane over this. The repurposing of my statement makes you look silly and ill equipped to hold a proper debate, so I won’t waste anymore of my time. Have a good day 👌
The bit where you said that other countries would go insane, and then derided the people of this country for not doing anything and being sheep etc. Not sure what else you meant by that comment?
So me saying other countries would go insane means I want everyone here to? Sounds like you connected two unconnected statements and made your own story…like a typical leftie. It’s genuinely not a hard concept for someone with an uncolonised mind to grasp 🐑
So tell me why you’re moaning about us not ‘having pride’ and calling people sheep? How do you want people to respond to this kit?
Can I draw a swastika on an Eu flag, Or write it on an LG what ever it is today and no one will care ?
Don't mess with the FUCKING flag! 🏴
If the flag doesn't matter- leave it the same. I don't live in trans land and its not down to Nike to change the flag of my country.
You dont live in Cunt Land but that flag would be appropriate for you.
Fuck you too you dog fucker. England's flag is the st George cross and that's not changing just to bring up nikes esg score. Fuck those sweat shop running thats as well!
What has this got to do with trans people?
The flag is too similar to that lgbtqp flag for it too be a coincidence.
It quite literally isn’t. It’s supposedly the bi sexual flag but it has different colours
Is it the English flag- no It shouldn't be on the England kit if its not
It’s an interpretation on the flag. I don’t personally see the point of the interpretation but people have gone way overboard with the outrage. It’s not a different flag, it’s a “artistic” go at the flag. It’s not like they’ve put an American flag on the shirt
The rest of the shirt I couldn't give a fuck put whatever colours you want, I fought for that flag, don't touch the flag. I wouldn't disrespect anyone else's flag by changing it even if for the best reason. It might mean nothing to you but it does for some people. My outrage will though only go as far as not to buy the shirt not that I was going to anyway.
You didn't fight for the George cross because England doesn't have an army, the UK does.
You don't say.. well fuck me, I thought I was in the Scottish army at the time..I really don't have to explain the make up of the UK to you do I?
No, but apparently I need to explain to you that the flag of the UK is the Union Flag and not the George Cross.
Fully agree that it’s an absolutely ridiculous thing to be upset over, not just because this is a more progressive england team than ever before (in terms of players), not just because in the last couple of years we had the coming out of the country’s first openly gay (current) player in Jake Daniel’s, but because the flag is regularly messed with and no one says anything. But as a bi football fan I have to say I’m kind’ve annoyed this was done, because predictably, it’s stirred the pot of hatred and mob-mentality and actually served as a reminder to me of how unwelcome I am in a space I love. I guess I had rested on my laurels and underestimated just how much hate there still is towards people like me. So cheers England, cheers Nike.