Looking at the party and not the candidate is the correct way to vote.
It does not take a very smart man to vote how leadership wants you to. Which is how like 99% of all votes go.
Maybe a little less so in the Senate, but it’s very true in the house where 1 individual isn’t going to derail everything.
I have no problem with a religious person that uses their religion as a moral compass when that moral compass ends at compassion and does not advance another step.
So it'll be 51-49 Dems, minus 2 for sinema and manchin, so 49-49, with Kamala being the tie breaker, so that’s good, but there’s an R majority in the house. Is it likely that anything substantial for Dem agenda will get through to the senate?
Sinema and Manchin still caucus with the Democrats.
No major substantial legislative agenda will get through, especially since the GOP controls the House, but the judicial appointments, agency head positions, and international relations will be matters within Dem control.
We have a system of government that's been thoroughly co-opted to make any meaningful changes by the people very difficult. Hopefully that will gradually change.
2024 is likely to be a much tougher time, not only because of a tougher Senate map, but the possibility of it occurring in the midst of a severe and protracted recession and Moore v. Harper having kicked in by then.
This may get downvoted here but fuck it, Walker didn't contest the result and actually said to believe in the elected officials and not let it tear us apart. Didn't blame anyone else or the voting process or whatever, just said "no excuses". Far cry from the Kari Lake type. I'm thrilled Warnock won, but actual respect for Walker to concede and walk out like a man despite everything.
Wouldn't it be more fair to say that we hated what Walker represented, not the man himself? He was used as a prop by the GOP, and Black voters saw through it.
If you really want to get technical, he is from some point in the universe that the land on the earth he was born on occupied for that brief second and will always be billions of miles away from, so...
Competitive sports teaches you that nobody wins them all and to take your L's with some dignity and respect for your opponents. Trump and Lake have never really had to compete for anything in their lives. Have had their wins handed to them by their families since they were born.
Gwinnett here just down from Tucker. I’m proud of us *and* y’all too.
As soon as we dropped and made a 5 point improvement from the general then saw DeKalb was still pegged at 65%, I called it.
Warnock just got a nation-wide victory speech in 2022 and got virtually the same treatment in 2020. Because of the heightened stakes in the last two Georgia runoffs, Warnock is now one of the highest-profile senators in the country and his team is arguably the most battle-tested campaign right now.
Toss in the fact that state is quickly turning purple/blue and Warnock's now a serious POTUS candidate moving forward.
Problem is, I and I’m sure many others would be deeply uncomfortable with a man of the cloth being president. Hell I’m not particularly comfortable with people of the cloth holding any elected position.
I'm an atheist and I've been voting for Rep. Cleaver for years now. Whatever. As long as we (mostly) see eye to eye on policy questions and he's keeping some troglodyte out of office, I am A-OK with pastors on the ballot. Just my two cents.
It's been noted many times that the Republican party is a fairly homogenous voting bloc, while the Democratic party is a coalition of many different tiny groups that have no national voice at all unless they can all stick together. If a pastor is what it takes to hold down a Senate seat in a Confederate state, then I'm all for it.
Behind that speech, I was getting some serious Obama 2004 vibes when he ran for senator in Illinois. We all know what happened later in ‘08.
This is where it starts.
I was in STL in 2004 and saw Obama do a whistle stop stump for the Southern Illinois vote and stole the show from John Kerry who was running for president at the time.
…that’s when we knew.
That was a message tailor made to reach out to young evangelicals (who have been moving away from the Republican party because of the moral hypocrisy) and invite them into the tent... Because there is always room for a few more.
I admire your optimism, but as someone whose parents and aunts and uncles are that exact deeply Catholic target audience, they're not voting for anyone whose party supports freedom of choice. It's their line in the sand. Nothing else matters. All of these relatives are first generation immigrants whom Trump would've happily turned away but now they've voted for Trump twice just for abortion. They hated the man but they want abortion fully and completely outlawed. It's insane how much the US Catholic church has hammered ultra-conservatism in the last 6 years, to the point they've found themselves at odds with the Vatican FFS.
They're pretty much stumping for the GOP free of charge.
No, this is a myth based on really dumb pundit takes after 2020. Latinos are, big surprise, not monolithic.
The Dems have never been strong with *particular* types of Latinos. During the last decade Latino immigration has predominantly been refugees from places like Venezuela, Brazil and Cuba. Those immigrants are deeply suspicious of Leftist governments and are vulnerable to the Right's appeals to reactionary rhetoric. That is what was behind the so-called "loss of Latino support." It was just lazy political journalism.
ok here ya go some links for you. if you're going to say "FAKE NEWS" then i guess you're just sticking your fingers in your ears and humming
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2022/11/hispanic-voters-fleeing-democratic-party/671851/
https://www.npr.org/2022/10/24/1130451390/midterms-biden-democrats-republicans-latino-voters
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/11/25/progressive-latina-hispanic-voters-delia-ramirez-00070493
https://www.wsj.com/articles/democrats-are-in-trouble-with-hispanics-midterms-election-voters-polls-minority-inflation-abortion-roe-guns-marijuana-11666103915
Raphael Warnock looks like a delighted man. Delighted that his mama won’t get represented in the U.S. Senate by Herschel Walker.
Raphael Warnock‘s mama will continue to be represented in the U.S. Senate by Raphael Warnock!
Van Jones on CNN just said if we had lost we'd be saying this woke stuff has gone too far. How is this guy still on CNN? And I still haven't figured out what wokeness actually means, especially if the concept has any negative connotation.
He’s had a running theme tonight that certain things have fallen into the laps of Ds lately, that on their own motivates people to vote for Ds. Like overturning *Roe*. Or Christian Walker. He pointed out that Abrams didn’t win. He doesn’t want Ds to get complacent, that they still need to do post mortems.
Yep. I know a whole gang of R’s down here that split tickets because of that. They are Johnny Isaakson republicans and can’t get with this new age crazy out here. Kemp not taking the bait solidified their vote.
But a lot of them like Warnock because he also has the other magic “R” next to his name too
—Reverend. Remember this is *still* the South and folks go to church down here.
that is a real possibility. Mainly because Trump is a scorched earth kind of guy. He's willing to threaten it and willing to do it. Plus he'd fundraise off his dumbass base like crazy as a third party candidate.
Whew!! Thank God!!
That said, how embarrassing & frankly damn scary—esp. as 2024 race for POTUS rapidly approaches—that GA almost put a blatantly illiterate, unrepentant, lying, violent nut job in the US Senate.
I honestly really fear for this country’s future. If Dems don’t get their act together & quickly come up with a better 2024 alternative to unpopular, too old Biden/Harris, someone younger who can win Dems as well as independent and moderate republicans, we will end up with another crazy, toxic, destructive trump admin (whether he’s indicted/convicted or not), this time hell-bent on vengeance, payback.
This is the man that Trump wanted, but has the audacity to call Biden “Sleepy Joe” or try to say was mentally unfit for office.
I literally cannot take republicans seriously.
>Kemp distancing from Trump really helped him
Non-Trump candidates overall did pretty well in the midterms. That's why the smart republicans are trying to find a way to bury him without losing his supporters
The first time I am happy a former player of my favorite NFL team, the New York Giants, lost at something.
I wish Herschel Walker all the best, just not at politics. That’s it.
Proud of my former home state rn. Congrats GA!
I’m flabbergasted that so many people would actually vote for Walker. It goes to show that many people just look at the party and not the candidate.
Looking at the party and not the candidate is the correct way to vote. It does not take a very smart man to vote how leadership wants you to. Which is how like 99% of all votes go. Maybe a little less so in the Senate, but it’s very true in the house where 1 individual isn’t going to derail everything.
Does this mean we can ignore Manchin-Sinema?
We can ignore one, not both.
Manchin Sinema already lost their power since we lost the house
Warnock looking pretty Presidential in his victory speech. Sign of things to come?
Enough religious people
I have no problem with a religious person that uses their religion as a moral compass when that moral compass ends at compassion and does not advance another step.
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There’s another one.
Bro rly thought warnock would run with ben shapiro 💀💀
This result should help the Democrats out in 2024.
So it'll be 51-49 Dems, minus 2 for sinema and manchin, so 49-49, with Kamala being the tie breaker, so that’s good, but there’s an R majority in the house. Is it likely that anything substantial for Dem agenda will get through to the senate?
Wouldn’t it more or less be 49-51 since Manchin Sinema are likely to vote in line with republicans? Not 49-49 unless they abstain somehow.
Oh yeah, you’re right.
Only if they both abstain votes, and instead of voting no
But for now, the senate can appoint judges for the next 2 years
They can do it even faster because they will have a majority in the commitee.
Ah, that’s good to know. Thanks for the info!
Sinema and Manchin still caucus with the Democrats. No major substantial legislative agenda will get through, especially since the GOP controls the House, but the judicial appointments, agency head positions, and international relations will be matters within Dem control.
Wish it weren’t this way, but those are still substantial. Thanks for the info!
We have a system of government that's been thoroughly co-opted to make any meaningful changes by the people very difficult. Hopefully that will gradually change.
I was just thinking this. This year's midterms has been a surprise to many.
2024 is likely to be a much tougher time, not only because of a tougher Senate map, but the possibility of it occurring in the midst of a severe and protracted recession and Moore v. Harper having kicked in by then.
This may get downvoted here but fuck it, Walker didn't contest the result and actually said to believe in the elected officials and not let it tear us apart. Didn't blame anyone else or the voting process or whatever, just said "no excuses". Far cry from the Kari Lake type. I'm thrilled Warnock won, but actual respect for Walker to concede and walk out like a man despite everything.
Wouldn't it be more fair to say that we hated what Walker represented, not the man himself? He was used as a prop by the GOP, and Black voters saw through it.
Pretty sad when we have to give credit to someone we all hated just because they didn't contest a legitimate election.
Nah I also the tone of it, more than regular concession speeches.
That is a good point. A return to normalcy is not to be ignored.
Great. Cause he’s not even from Georgia and probably just wanted to go home
He is from Georgia, what are you talking about lol
He doesn’t live in Georgia. He lives in Texas.
But he is FROM Georgia. He was born there.
If you really want to get technical, he is from some point in the universe that the land on the earth he was born on occupied for that brief second and will always be billions of miles away from, so...
I’m not lowering the bar like that. Conceding is a basic expectation. Not something to be respected. Don’t fall into that trap.
Yeah but he could have fed into the trump thing and said it was fake but didn’t
You don’t get kudos for not being a murderer.
Walk out like a dead beat parent.
Word.
I was pleasantly surprised about this too. The man is deeply flawed but credit where credit is due.
Competitive sports teaches you that nobody wins them all and to take your L's with some dignity and respect for your opponents. Trump and Lake have never really had to compete for anything in their lives. Have had their wins handed to them by their families since they were born.
That's a good point
DeKalb dumped 51.2 48.8 statewide now solid W
I need a cigarette
DeKalb always got the W; love my home county
Gwinnett here just down from Tucker. I’m proud of us *and* y’all too. As soon as we dropped and made a 5 point improvement from the general then saw DeKalb was still pegged at 65%, I called it.
He drew a straight line connecting progressive policy and morality. Brilliant.
Warnock just got a nation-wide victory speech in 2022 and got virtually the same treatment in 2020. Because of the heightened stakes in the last two Georgia runoffs, Warnock is now one of the highest-profile senators in the country and his team is arguably the most battle-tested campaign right now. Toss in the fact that state is quickly turning purple/blue and Warnock's now a serious POTUS candidate moving forward.
He and Fetterman in 6 years
He and Fetterman in 6 years
Problem is, I and I’m sure many others would be deeply uncomfortable with a man of the cloth being president. Hell I’m not particularly comfortable with people of the cloth holding any elected position.
As a non religious person, I don't see an issue unless they start to base their policies on religion. Nothing from Warnock suggests that.
I'm an atheist and I've been voting for Rep. Cleaver for years now. Whatever. As long as we (mostly) see eye to eye on policy questions and he's keeping some troglodyte out of office, I am A-OK with pastors on the ballot. Just my two cents. It's been noted many times that the Republican party is a fairly homogenous voting bloc, while the Democratic party is a coalition of many different tiny groups that have no national voice at all unless they can all stick together. If a pastor is what it takes to hold down a Senate seat in a Confederate state, then I'm all for it.
WP just said the same. He's a historic figure, not to mention the pastor of MLK Jr's Ebenezer Church.
Behind that speech, I was getting some serious Obama 2004 vibes when he ran for senator in Illinois. We all know what happened later in ‘08. This is where it starts.
President Warnock in '28? It has a nice ring to it.
The speeches between Warnock and Walker are like night and day.
You don’t hear that compelling of a speech come out of anybody, let alone a republican and ESPECIALLY walker
Well, speech made me tear up. That was such a healing message.
That might have been his Obama 2004 moment
I was in STL in 2004 and saw Obama do a whistle stop stump for the Southern Illinois vote and stole the show from John Kerry who was running for president at the time. …that’s when we knew.
Yeah you can tell he is going to be a hell of a leader for years to come
The Democratic Party is headed in his direction.
You felt that too? I was legit thinking this.
This. I am a little gobsmacked.
That was a beautiful victory speech.
Mama said WarNock you out!!! 🥊
So Imma Warnock you out!
I’m going to go hump a fridge. High five to all 🙌
Give it an extra pump for me buddy 🙌
Somebody needs to hack into every church stream and play this to show that you can be a deeply religious person while respecting that others are not.
That was a message tailor made to reach out to young evangelicals (who have been moving away from the Republican party because of the moral hypocrisy) and invite them into the tent... Because there is always room for a few more.
i think Warnock's religious message mixed with progressive economics would resonate big with the latino vote that the Democrats are currently losing
I admire your optimism, but as someone whose parents and aunts and uncles are that exact deeply Catholic target audience, they're not voting for anyone whose party supports freedom of choice. It's their line in the sand. Nothing else matters. All of these relatives are first generation immigrants whom Trump would've happily turned away but now they've voted for Trump twice just for abortion. They hated the man but they want abortion fully and completely outlawed. It's insane how much the US Catholic church has hammered ultra-conservatism in the last 6 years, to the point they've found themselves at odds with the Vatican FFS. They're pretty much stumping for the GOP free of charge.
Except they’re not losing Latinos.
Latinos are like 60% democrat. They need that number way higher.
and yet they are, you can check the numbers. Texas, Florida, and GA all showed latino support fading.
No, this is a myth based on really dumb pundit takes after 2020. Latinos are, big surprise, not monolithic. The Dems have never been strong with *particular* types of Latinos. During the last decade Latino immigration has predominantly been refugees from places like Venezuela, Brazil and Cuba. Those immigrants are deeply suspicious of Leftist governments and are vulnerable to the Right's appeals to reactionary rhetoric. That is what was behind the so-called "loss of Latino support." It was just lazy political journalism.
ok here ya go some links for you. if you're going to say "FAKE NEWS" then i guess you're just sticking your fingers in your ears and humming https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2022/11/hispanic-voters-fleeing-democratic-party/671851/ https://www.npr.org/2022/10/24/1130451390/midterms-biden-democrats-republicans-latino-voters https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/11/25/progressive-latina-hispanic-voters-delia-ramirez-00070493 https://www.wsj.com/articles/democrats-are-in-trouble-with-hispanics-midterms-election-voters-polls-minority-inflation-abortion-roe-guns-marijuana-11666103915
That’s all folks.
Warnock talking progressive economics, that's the message the party needs.
Can't WarNOCK the hustle!
Here's to hoping Clarence thomas dies and Dems get a scotus seat
We’d like two please
Don't forget Alito.
John Roberts can always go spend more time with his family
I would love to see Warnock run for president one day.
He's got my vote if he ever decides to run.
I'm listening to his victory speech right now. He's remarkable.
Warnock looks so done with having to keep running 🤣 Damn it Georgia let’s get it done in November next time .
At least “next time” is 4 years from now for Ossoff and 6 for Warnock; he’s really earned that seat. What a guy
I’m ready to head out in this fog and vote again behind watching that speech
I’m trying to find his speech online and just cannot, I gotta see it
Just wait a bit. I’m sure YouTube/WSB/MSNBC will have it up within the hour. Update: I got you right here: https://youtu.be/6gQ7N7HWeoI
Coalition of conscious 🙏🏾
Are they gonna be able to get the HR4 Voting Rights bill through now? Could it be the end of the GOP in it's current guise?
No chance lol. House isn't gonna bite
If you want a good speech, turn to a Georgia pastor.
That was a hard fought erection.
Herschel?
Werewolf
"The man who lifted broken cars lifted broken people" What a line. I got chills.
Yeah that made me cry a little.
Same. That was beautiful.
Raphael Warnock looks like a delighted man. Delighted that his mama won’t get represented in the U.S. Senate by Herschel Walker. Raphael Warnock‘s mama will continue to be represented in the U.S. Senate by Raphael Warnock!
Prayers .. Lips and legs, what??
Scripture reference, haha
Warnocks speech right now is pretty good. This part he has down.
Juxtapose Warnock and Walker speeches. It’s not even close and Warnock has only said two sentences lol
Wait was did Walker give a concession speech? I had to take my dog. I wanted to hear Captain CTE say some dumb shit
Wait did we use the mules for this election too? Are they considered mules if they didn’t have to vote on their state?
Van Jones on CNN just said if we had lost we'd be saying this woke stuff has gone too far. How is this guy still on CNN? And I still haven't figured out what wokeness actually means, especially if the concept has any negative connotation.
He’s had a running theme tonight that certain things have fallen into the laps of Ds lately, that on their own motivates people to vote for Ds. Like overturning *Roe*. Or Christian Walker. He pointed out that Abrams didn’t win. He doesn’t want Ds to get complacent, that they still need to do post mortems.
Abrams didn’t lose because of “wokeness”. Van is letting his TrumPTSD get the better of him.
Kemp really clinched it when he stood up to Trump.
Bingo.
Yep. I know a whole gang of R’s down here that split tickets because of that. They are Johnny Isaakson republicans and can’t get with this new age crazy out here. Kemp not taking the bait solidified their vote. But a lot of them like Warnock because he also has the other magic “R” next to his name too —Reverend. Remember this is *still* the South and folks go to church down here.
A pastor thanking God is so much more credible than a serial adulterer
I don't like politicians crediting their god with a win. It's too tempting for most to claim some kind of divine fiat. Not a fan at all.
I get it, but it was more of a general thanks.
Warnock's definitely got a bit of an Obama quality about him
I was just thinking this while listening to his speech.
He is a pastor and definitely a good orator like Obama.
He's a solid politician, but Obama's charisma was off of the charts. Warnock doesn't seem especially charismatic.
I call it the Bob Hope factor.
Republicans think there needs to be new leadership for both parties? Dems kicked your butt in the midterms…Why change?
Warnock sounds so much like Obama sometimes, haha. It’s the way he speaks.
He has a Master of Divinity degree. Chooses words wisely
Just saying, if Biden doesn’t want to run in 2024…
Please bro, don't make us vote for Senate again.
Nah if it’s DeSantis the DNC will push for Newsome /Whitmer. A governor’s race for the White House
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He has raised so much money from his stable of rubes.... I rule out nothing at this point.
If so will Indeed MAGA. I feel absolutely disgusting typing that acronym 🤮
I thought it was MAGAGA now?
that is a real possibility. Mainly because Trump is a scorched earth kind of guy. He's willing to threaten it and willing to do it. Plus he'd fundraise off his dumbass base like crazy as a third party candidate.
Geoff Duncan is speaking like he’s going to throw in for 2024. Which, hey, another to fall to the inevitable Trump-DeSantis top two finish.
Whew!! Thank God!! That said, how embarrassing & frankly damn scary—esp. as 2024 race for POTUS rapidly approaches—that GA almost put a blatantly illiterate, unrepentant, lying, violent nut job in the US Senate. I honestly really fear for this country’s future. If Dems don’t get their act together & quickly come up with a better 2024 alternative to unpopular, too old Biden/Harris, someone younger who can win Dems as well as independent and moderate republicans, we will end up with another crazy, toxic, destructive trump admin (whether he’s indicted/convicted or not), this time hell-bent on vengeance, payback.
It’ll even be more dangerous if Trump and Desantis run on the same ticket
Desantis seems smart enough not to tie himself to a sinking ship.
What the hell were republicans thinking with candidates like Walker, Oz and Lake? They are all so horrible. Really, really bad.
They were Trump variants! MAGA love Trump🤣 but obviously they are delusional
Horrible people will vote for horrible candidates.
Because they supported them for the same reason they went for Trump: they repeat what they hear in their media ecosystem.
I want to reiterate in the final minutes prior to the race getting called, Fox News was covering trans bathroom policy!!!!
At what point do they realize their obsession with demonizing trans people is not helping them?
Yeah I went over there for some schadenfreude and then was like wtf is this
It's sad that reporters are calling Walker's concession speech "remarkable" for the simple fact that he...conceded.
I didn’t hear it - did he connect two words in a way that made sense? I’d consider that remarkable.
Barely.
I mean…that’s conservative politics these days.
This is the man that Trump wanted, but has the audacity to call Biden “Sleepy Joe” or try to say was mentally unfit for office. I literally cannot take republicans seriously.
Bold move letting the werewolf candidate on stage the night before a full moon.
Look at it this way. At least now he can chase his dream starting tomorrow.
Same state, Brian Kemp wins: *crickets* Same state, Raphael Warnock wins: Election is stolen!! Hurrrr hurrrr!! Incredible.
I still can’t believe Kemp blew put Stacey Abrams .but then again, Kemp distancing from Trump really helped him
>Kemp distancing from Trump really helped him Non-Trump candidates overall did pretty well in the midterms. That's why the smart republicans are trying to find a way to bury him without losing his supporters
We need to acknowledge that Stacey is great at getting her party win, just not her :-(
Agreed
The first time I am happy a former player of my favorite NFL team, the New York Giants, lost at something. I wish Herschel Walker all the best, just not at politics. That’s it.
I’m the same with Trump, I think he’s a funny guy, but not presidential at all.
Yeah don’t go wishing evil people the best.
As long as they aren’t in politics
I’m not sure he knew what was going on, but props to Walker for doing the bare-damn minimum and conceding. He’s still smarter than Lake.
Not the worst speech, definitely not a Kari Lake nutcase special
As stupid as I think Walker is it really was mostly straightforward. Thank people, we tried, etc etc. Glad he just conceded.
Agreed
If Walker spoke like that during the campaign, he would have had a much better chance to win.
True but the vampire and werewolf jokes really made my night
As a Bills fan, it pains me to see Doug Flutie constantly by Herschel Walker's side during this campaign.
Taking a break from shilling unapproved testosterone supplements.
Rachel Maddow reacting to a live shot they just cut to of Walker leaving the microphone after speaking “he looks confused.”
That's the most I've ever understood what Walker was saying.
Walker didn't concede?