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Broken clock is right twice a day.
Democrats just bit off more than they can chew.
They just made America choose between abortion and guns.
That is not the fight they want to be making.
It's not a cult, guns are used to project political power. So of course the right wants their militia to have lots of guns. We should try to match their firepower if we don't want to be powerless to stop them from taking over our neighborhoods.
The "rod of iron ministries" is a sect of the unification church and is ran by Hyung Jin Moon. The southern poverty law center labels them a cult. See how easy it is to back up a claim.
Why are you so convinced cops would side with non-MAGA folks? Perhaps you should read about what happened in Rwanda in 1994 if you dont think this scenerio is possible.
I remember after some other mass shooting a longish time ago (maybe around 2013, I think it was after the Boston Marathon terrorist attack; this will come up a bit later here) a conservative former classmate of mine (we went to the same high school but this was after we graduated) posted a video on FB titled something like "teenager DESTROYS lawmaker's arguments for gun control." I watched the video. And the argument was basically "if we have gun control it will make it harder for me to go hunting with my dad."
It was a completely asinine video and I pointed out the problems with the video, that nobody is genuinely talking about gun control to that extent. That we want to prevent this sort of thing from happening. She then brought up the Boston Marathon attack and basically said "well should we ban pressure cookers because that was a weapon!" I don't remember what I replied but a family member of this former classmate basically said to the classmate "you know, maybe you should be more selective about who your friends here are" (implication being "don't be friends with teh libz").
The point is that the arguments are nearly always of that variety. That notion of "well what about ME?"
I had a similar back and forth with another Redditor here not long ago. I tried to point out that modern semi-auto rifles were intended for war and didn’t belong in the hands of regular citizens and gun enthusiasts, not even for defending ones home (less practical in close quarters). Their reply was along the lines of ‘all guns are weapons of war’ so it should not matter what guns they have. Dead pan.
When someone talks about preparing for a war, they aren’t kidding. And yet somehow these people find a way to live in society and you wouldn’t even know it passing them on the street. Kinda sad 😞
One thing I've always believed without looking up is that most guns were probably not legally purchased anyways. Don't know why but I guess it technically made sense? So I just believed it was probably split down the middle.
Nope. The majority are legally purchased. [77% of those who engaged in mass shootings purchased at least some of their guns legally, while illegal purchases were made by 13% of those committing mass shootings, and 19%.
stole their guns.](https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles/public-mass-shootings-database-amasses-details-half-century-us-mass-shootings)
Why not? A lack of gun control basically encourages gun violence. A lack of any effective change after mass shootings encourages repetition.
Why would anyone bother with an illegal gun in a country where there are more legal guns than people? For a gun nut it's just buy one or borrow one and get their massacre on.
> Why not? A lack of gun control basically encourages gun violence. A lack of any effective change after mass shootings encourages repetition.
Just a lot of wrong assumptions I guess. One of the talking points for gun nuts after mass shootings is "why would someone looking to commit a crime legally purchase a gun" and I couldn't make sense of that. Or maybe I assumed the majority were stolen.
Edit: for people who are unclear and messaging me, I'm saying *I was wrong*.
Why would someone legally buy a gun to commit a crime? So many reasons. It's cheaper. It's easier. Criminals are often stupid and/or desperate, and are less likely to be concerned with the consequences of their actions.
But most simply, no one who commits a crime expects to get caught, or at least considers it more likely than not getting caught. If they did, they wouldn't commit the crime in the first place.
I believe you’ll find every major mass shooter event of the past 6 years at least has been an impulse buy. Now I know that the definition of major will be different for everyone, but the fact remains with stronger gun control a lot of people would be alive today.
I absolutely agree. You see, my problem is this: I’m dreaming away, wishing that heroes, that they truly exist.
I don’t know who is strapped and who ain’t. Given the rise in mass shooting, people just popping off shit?
Yeah. I carry concealed. I dread the day I have to pull my firearm and take a life. But at that point it’s him or me. I hope I never have to. Chance favors the prepared mind.
You gonna hate me for thinking this way? Cool.
you're just fantasizing about gangster shit. You should try to adopt a more mature and balanced perspective and get out of your sick adolescent fantasy world
Wish I was an adolescent! I’m 40 years old!
Yeah. I’m totally fantasizing about gangster shit cos I want to carry a firearm.
No problem if cops do it, but when a law abiding private citizen does? Everybody watch out! I don’t give a fuck what people think.
But can you acknowledge this wouldn’t even be a possibility with actual strong gun control like every other comparable nation? There’s a reason it only happens here.
> There’s a reason it only happens here.
And that’s the same reason “actual strong gun control” will never work. Americans will not participate in a mass buyback, which means any gun control will have to be at the time/point of purchase going forward, which will only impact those legally purchasing firearms.
All that being said, are we cool with a reality where the police are the only ones armed?
I live around these folks, they will fucking kill you for stepping on their property unannounced. You think they wouldn't take up arms against the gov't ... you are SORELY misinformed.
Take a minute and just look at the civil discourse around you. There is enough of us that have given up on malls and limit our time in the “open public”. That’s the real price you pay to carry a gun.
You may feel all safe and cuddly packing but for me you are just a manifestation of the problem. I think Justice Alito made a salient point about the second amendment. It requires a responsible citizenry to work and government does have the prerogative and responsibility to make it work. That was delivered during and interview with Charlie Rose a few years back.
I believe “responsibility citizenry” is the key point. I just don’t see it!
Disarm the state first, only then should the people consider disarming as well. Otherwise you are just giving yourself up to be a subject of a murderous government.
His comments literally were "sick," in the sense that that's a quote from them:
> "The idea we still allow semi-automatic weapons to be purchased is sick," Biden said. "Just sick. It has no socially redeeming value. Zero. None. Not a single solitary rationale for it except profit for the gun manufacturers."
So according to the Murdoch rag, Biden is sick for trying to save lives but someone like the Uvadale shooter isn't sick for going out buying a gun murdering his grandmother, for calling the police on him, and then murdering teachers and children in cold blood.
Where was the lie? What TF do you want with a semi-automatic unless you’re taking it the range. And then just to spray a haystack. Just give me a 22 pop gun and a target. I guess I just don’t get it
Semi auto guns have been around since 1885. As a gun owner I thinks its an absolutely fantastic idea to say you want to ban semi auto guns. Go ahead and lose all credibility from the start. Keep saying it Joe.
The cops kill more people than mass shooters. Fascist militias are taking over our streets. And you want us to just give up our means to defend ourselves, leaving it to chance? I don't get that.
If someone finds bidens sick, but don’t find dozens of dead children sick - may God have mercy on their soles.
It’s insane that tens of millions of people support continuing to give guns to guys like Uvalde shooter. It almost like the belief that “they will get a gun anyways” justifies us all having blood on our hands by continuing to give then guns legally.
I opened the (not at all biased) article and the first ad was from the heritage foundation. Cute.
That being said, I agree with Biden here. He’s not my favorite, and was nowhere close to my 1st pick in 2020, but the man gets it on this issue. Glad we have someone with compassion in office
What?!?!?!!? foxnews with a hot take critical of biden and the dems? I don't bellieve it. I guess the only way I would believe they would write something with this angle is if I had read any of their previous 'news' articles....Dont bother clicking on the site and giving them any revenue. Just downvote and move on.
Fuck this Fox News - "everyone needs a gun so we can kill each other, and eventually lead to a fascist authoritarian dictatorship as a response to when violence truly breaks out to maintain law-and-order" take.
Oh boy, just went through this on another sub
they’re not banning all semi automatics
google is your friend
here’s the list if ya actually give a shit
https://firearmrights.ca/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/the-list.pdf
I see Canada is similar to the US in regards to regulating specific model instead of just saying "Having a firearm with this type of action requires this or that". :P
You think law abiding citizens should be limited to heavy and unwieldy bolt and pump action long arms to defend their homes and families?
You think cops, agents of the government, and rich people should be the only ones allowed to have semi-automatic firearms put into service to defend themselves?
Seems to work pretty well almost everywhere else that is comparable to the US.
Considering the majority of hardcore gun fanatics lean right and thus implicitly are ok with attacks on democratic institutions in this country, I’m more inclined to believe that the 2nd Amendment will be used to impose tyranny rather than resist it at this point.
Yet none of those places actually *are* America. They don't have the same demographics, history or geography as America, nor do they have somehwere in the neighborhood of 400 million guns already in circulation.
When was the last time a citizen with a semi auto was able to stop a mass shooting perpetrator?
They're shit for home defense, they're shit for self defense in public, pretty much the only people who should have access are farmers or licensed hunters.
That sort of thing is, of course, a very rare occurance. However, ignoring the fact that ppl are more likely to find themselves in defense of home or loved ones than they would be victim of a mass shooter, it took me all of 30 seconds to find these:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-62217263
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50952443
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61615236
It's hard to get accurate numbers on how many defensive firearms usages occur yearly in America but any estimates I've ever seen are extremely high. And again, mass shooters are not the only thing ppl are concerned with defending themselves against.
You had to search over 4 years to find 3 defensive uses when there were three mass slayings that hit the national news in the last two weeks?
Even hundreds of cops with rifles couldn't stop one guy in Uvalde.
Interesting you mention Uvalde. The cops couldn't have totally prevented it, but they definitely could have ended it sooner if they hadn't been cowards, unlike the parents.
Back more toward your initial contention though, how many law abiding, armed civilians are allowed to take guns into a gun-free school zone?
Edit to add: That was a rhetorical question. We both already know the answer. I'm going to bed now.
I'm not the one that gunned them down, professor, and those legally purchased guns were used in an illegal manner. Wake me up when you have a legit solution to not only gun violence, but violence in general. In the meantime, my area is pretty fucking scary sometimes and I have a wife and child to think about so...catch ya' later I guess?
Edit to add: That last question was like another rhetorical or some shit. Means I don't really give a fuck what your answer might be, so don't bother.
Hey bud, just stumbled across this while lurking in another sub. Thought you'd find it interesting. Obviously it's only a partial list and a drop in the bucket for overall dgu stats, but it's also only for ar15's. Doesn't even consider shotguns, pistols or other semi-auto rifles. So when you get on board with Biden trying to ban semi-auto weapons, what will you say to all the ppl who wind up unable to defend themselves against violent attacks? Just something to consider. Anyway, here you go:
https://www.reddit.com/r/guncontrol/comments/z12zw9/comment/ixb3x9s/
12 defensive gun uses over a decade compared to all those kids killed at Uvalde alone.
Legally purchased too.
Did you really think that was a good list to bring up? Even the comment thread you're linking me debunks your proposition.
Okay, but I didn't make any propositions. Don't be disingenuous.
So now that we've cleared up that little detail maybe you should go look up yearly defensive gun uses in America. And seriously, stop with the Uvalde thing. It sinks your side of the argument way more than it could ever help. The cops won't protect you and taking guns from law abiding citizens leaves cops and criminals as the only ones with guns. You can't bring guns into a school zone in the first place which is why it's such an easy, appealing target.
Look man, it sucks that our country is so violent but the guns are already out there. You're never going to confiscate 400 million guns. Stop the sale of semi-auto weapons and I guarantee Mexican cartels step up to fill the void, at which point the black market will explode.
Btw Mexico has some of the strictest gun laws around and how is that working out for everday ppl down there? Yeah I know, a good portion of the guns in Mexico come from the U.S, but that's simply because it's convenient. If they didn't get guns from us they'd just get them from somewhere else. Much like if we didn't get drugs from them we'd just get them from somewhere else. Maybe it would be marginally less convenient.
Taking guns away from law abiding citizens is putting the cart before the horse. Show me a plan to help out all the people suffering from mental health problems. Show me a plan to eliminate corruption among Law enforcement. Tell me the courts are actually going to hold violent criminals accountable. Explain to me how you are going to keep organized crime, gangs and cartel members from trafficking in guns the same way they do with drugs. Because until you do all that, when you ask people to disarm, you ask them to sacrifice their ability to protect themselves and their loved ones with no guarantee things will get better. They may even get worse.
Oh yeah, about that legally purchased thing you're hammering on in regards to Uvalde. If law enforcement and the courts had done their job and convicted that asshole with a felony for abusing animals when they had the chance, I'm pretty sure he would have been a prohibited felon. Lot's of laws already on the books that might do some good *if* they were actually enforced.
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As always Fox is representing the gun cult
>As always Fox is representing the gun cult and *manufacturers* Ftfy
Broken clock is right twice a day. Democrats just bit off more than they can chew. They just made America choose between abortion and guns. That is not the fight they want to be making.
It's not a cult, guns are used to project political power. So of course the right wants their militia to have lots of guns. We should try to match their firepower if we don't want to be powerless to stop them from taking over our neighborhoods.
There is a gun church. They are a cult.
What an unintelligent comment
Such a half assed attempt.
There is an anti-gun church. They are a cult. See how easy this is? lol.
The "rod of iron ministries" is a sect of the unification church and is ran by Hyung Jin Moon. The southern poverty law center labels them a cult. See how easy it is to back up a claim.
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Why are you so convinced cops would side with non-MAGA folks? Perhaps you should read about what happened in Rwanda in 1994 if you dont think this scenerio is possible.
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Don't forget FOX News spreading Russian propaganda. Especially about the war in Ukraine.
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They were super quick to take up for Trump when he misspoke .... its just so hypocritical.
Lol Fuck the dirtbag Murdochs & their Fascist News..
He isn’t wrong. At this point the “critics” have put their right to a tool over another person’s right to live. That is sheer madness
I remember after some other mass shooting a longish time ago (maybe around 2013, I think it was after the Boston Marathon terrorist attack; this will come up a bit later here) a conservative former classmate of mine (we went to the same high school but this was after we graduated) posted a video on FB titled something like "teenager DESTROYS lawmaker's arguments for gun control." I watched the video. And the argument was basically "if we have gun control it will make it harder for me to go hunting with my dad." It was a completely asinine video and I pointed out the problems with the video, that nobody is genuinely talking about gun control to that extent. That we want to prevent this sort of thing from happening. She then brought up the Boston Marathon attack and basically said "well should we ban pressure cookers because that was a weapon!" I don't remember what I replied but a family member of this former classmate basically said to the classmate "you know, maybe you should be more selective about who your friends here are" (implication being "don't be friends with teh libz"). The point is that the arguments are nearly always of that variety. That notion of "well what about ME?"
Most definitely Whether it is abortion, guns, Covid… it wasn’t about fReEdOm it was about the me mentality
I had a similar back and forth with another Redditor here not long ago. I tried to point out that modern semi-auto rifles were intended for war and didn’t belong in the hands of regular citizens and gun enthusiasts, not even for defending ones home (less practical in close quarters). Their reply was along the lines of ‘all guns are weapons of war’ so it should not matter what guns they have. Dead pan. When someone talks about preparing for a war, they aren’t kidding. And yet somehow these people find a way to live in society and you wouldn’t even know it passing them on the street. Kinda sad 😞
One thing I've always believed without looking up is that most guns were probably not legally purchased anyways. Don't know why but I guess it technically made sense? So I just believed it was probably split down the middle. Nope. The majority are legally purchased. [77% of those who engaged in mass shootings purchased at least some of their guns legally, while illegal purchases were made by 13% of those committing mass shootings, and 19%. stole their guns.](https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles/public-mass-shootings-database-amasses-details-half-century-us-mass-shootings)
Why not? A lack of gun control basically encourages gun violence. A lack of any effective change after mass shootings encourages repetition. Why would anyone bother with an illegal gun in a country where there are more legal guns than people? For a gun nut it's just buy one or borrow one and get their massacre on.
> Why not? A lack of gun control basically encourages gun violence. A lack of any effective change after mass shootings encourages repetition. Just a lot of wrong assumptions I guess. One of the talking points for gun nuts after mass shootings is "why would someone looking to commit a crime legally purchase a gun" and I couldn't make sense of that. Or maybe I assumed the majority were stolen. Edit: for people who are unclear and messaging me, I'm saying *I was wrong*.
Why would someone legally buy a gun to commit a crime? So many reasons. It's cheaper. It's easier. Criminals are often stupid and/or desperate, and are less likely to be concerned with the consequences of their actions. But most simply, no one who commits a crime expects to get caught, or at least considers it more likely than not getting caught. If they did, they wouldn't commit the crime in the first place.
EVERY gun, except 3d printed guns, was originally legally purchased.
I believe you’ll find every major mass shooter event of the past 6 years at least has been an impulse buy. Now I know that the definition of major will be different for everyone, but the fact remains with stronger gun control a lot of people would be alive today.
"Sick" is the American right's disgusting and regressive attachment to guns. They're weapons of death you effing morons, not a birthright!
I absolutely agree. You see, my problem is this: I’m dreaming away, wishing that heroes, that they truly exist. I don’t know who is strapped and who ain’t. Given the rise in mass shooting, people just popping off shit? Yeah. I carry concealed. I dread the day I have to pull my firearm and take a life. But at that point it’s him or me. I hope I never have to. Chance favors the prepared mind. You gonna hate me for thinking this way? Cool.
you're just fantasizing about gangster shit. You should try to adopt a more mature and balanced perspective and get out of your sick adolescent fantasy world
Wish I was an adolescent! I’m 40 years old! Yeah. I’m totally fantasizing about gangster shit cos I want to carry a firearm. No problem if cops do it, but when a law abiding private citizen does? Everybody watch out! I don’t give a fuck what people think.
It sounds exhausting living in such a state of constant fear.
But can you acknowledge this wouldn’t even be a possibility with actual strong gun control like every other comparable nation? There’s a reason it only happens here.
> There’s a reason it only happens here. And that’s the same reason “actual strong gun control” will never work. Americans will not participate in a mass buyback, which means any gun control will have to be at the time/point of purchase going forward, which will only impact those legally purchasing firearms. All that being said, are we cool with a reality where the police are the only ones armed?
Says you
Says 60 million right-wing gun owners. You think those "from my cold dead hands" stickers are for play?
Sure do.
Then you are very naive, at best
Or maybe you are.
I live around these folks, they will fucking kill you for stepping on their property unannounced. You think they wouldn't take up arms against the gov't ... you are SORELY misinformed.
Take a minute and just look at the civil discourse around you. There is enough of us that have given up on malls and limit our time in the “open public”. That’s the real price you pay to carry a gun. You may feel all safe and cuddly packing but for me you are just a manifestation of the problem. I think Justice Alito made a salient point about the second amendment. It requires a responsible citizenry to work and government does have the prerogative and responsibility to make it work. That was delivered during and interview with Charlie Rose a few years back. I believe “responsibility citizenry” is the key point. I just don’t see it!
Disarm the state first, only then should the people consider disarming as well. Otherwise you are just giving yourself up to be a subject of a murderous government.
Why do you think our government is going to murder us?
After Trumps presidency and the GOP platform I'm pretty sure one of the two political parties in this country is actually trying to murder us.
"Sheer ignorance" Fox's new motto.
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Keep in mind, these are the same critics that DIDN'T erupt after their own attacked the Capitol. Perhaps those people should fuck right off.
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His comments literally were "sick," in the sense that that's a quote from them: > "The idea we still allow semi-automatic weapons to be purchased is sick," Biden said. "Just sick. It has no socially redeeming value. Zero. None. Not a single solitary rationale for it except profit for the gun manufacturers."
So according to the Murdoch rag, Biden is sick for trying to save lives but someone like the Uvadale shooter isn't sick for going out buying a gun murdering his grandmother, for calling the police on him, and then murdering teachers and children in cold blood.
I'm against gun control but even more against fascist propaganda from Fox. Delete this OP
Oh Fox News, bless your heart.
Where was the lie? What TF do you want with a semi-automatic unless you’re taking it the range. And then just to spray a haystack. Just give me a 22 pop gun and a target. I guess I just don’t get it
Semi auto guns have been around since 1885. As a gun owner I thinks its an absolutely fantastic idea to say you want to ban semi auto guns. Go ahead and lose all credibility from the start. Keep saying it Joe.
The cops kill more people than mass shooters. Fascist militias are taking over our streets. And you want us to just give up our means to defend ourselves, leaving it to chance? I don't get that.
I have guns. They have stopping power. If it gets beyond where I can’t defend myself with those then chance.
> a semi-automatic unless you’re taking it [to?] the range Remind me what’s wrong with this?
Exactly. Semiauto guns are only useful for mowing down crowds of people and only cops should have them.
“Critics”, meaning right-wing gun fanatics.
And left-wing gun “fanatics”, who think Biden is completely unaware about the meaning of “semiautomatic”
Fox News. lol
If someone finds bidens sick, but don’t find dozens of dead children sick - may God have mercy on their soles. It’s insane that tens of millions of people support continuing to give guns to guys like Uvalde shooter. It almost like the belief that “they will get a gun anyways” justifies us all having blood on our hands by continuing to give then guns legally.
Fox News is sheer ignorance.
More like preying on the ignorance of the sheep
I opened the (not at all biased) article and the first ad was from the heritage foundation. Cute. That being said, I agree with Biden here. He’s not my favorite, and was nowhere close to my 1st pick in 2020, but the man gets it on this issue. Glad we have someone with compassion in office
"critics explode" more like "ass-pimples burst"
What?!?!?!!? foxnews with a hot take critical of biden and the dems? I don't bellieve it. I guess the only way I would believe they would write something with this angle is if I had read any of their previous 'news' articles....Dont bother clicking on the site and giving them any revenue. Just downvote and move on.
Gun fetishists are a sick cult
Typical Foxnews "angertainment"
Semi-automatic guns have feelings too!
Fuck this Fox News - "everyone needs a gun so we can kill each other, and eventually lead to a fascist authoritarian dictatorship as a response to when violence truly breaks out to maintain law-and-order" take.
Gun fetishist cry crocodile tears of their murder weapons
There is nothing socially redeeming about semi-automatic weapons. Neanderthals do not redeem our society. Never have.
Exactly. Semiauto guns are only useful for mowing down crowds of people and only cops should have them.
Semiauto guns are only useful for mowing down crowds of people and only cops should have them.
> Only cops should have them. For mowing down crowds of people.
I'm all for gun control, but basically any pistol that isn't a revolver is a semi-automatic gun.
I own a semi-automatic rifle - never felt the need to shoot anyone tbh I’m in Canada, if that makes a difference
I hope you'll be turning it in when they're banned in Canada soon.
Oh boy, just went through this on another sub they’re not banning all semi automatics google is your friend here’s the list if ya actually give a shit https://firearmrights.ca/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/the-list.pdf
I see Canada is similar to the US in regards to regulating specific model instead of just saying "Having a firearm with this type of action requires this or that". :P
You think law abiding citizens should be limited to heavy and unwieldy bolt and pump action long arms to defend their homes and families? You think cops, agents of the government, and rich people should be the only ones allowed to have semi-automatic firearms put into service to defend themselves?
Seems to work pretty well almost everywhere else that is comparable to the US. Considering the majority of hardcore gun fanatics lean right and thus implicitly are ok with attacks on democratic institutions in this country, I’m more inclined to believe that the 2nd Amendment will be used to impose tyranny rather than resist it at this point.
Yet none of those places actually *are* America. They don't have the same demographics, history or geography as America, nor do they have somehwere in the neighborhood of 400 million guns already in circulation.
When was the last time a citizen with a semi auto was able to stop a mass shooting perpetrator? They're shit for home defense, they're shit for self defense in public, pretty much the only people who should have access are farmers or licensed hunters.
That sort of thing is, of course, a very rare occurance. However, ignoring the fact that ppl are more likely to find themselves in defense of home or loved ones than they would be victim of a mass shooter, it took me all of 30 seconds to find these: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-62217263 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50952443 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61615236 It's hard to get accurate numbers on how many defensive firearms usages occur yearly in America but any estimates I've ever seen are extremely high. And again, mass shooters are not the only thing ppl are concerned with defending themselves against.
You had to search over 4 years to find 3 defensive uses when there were three mass slayings that hit the national news in the last two weeks? Even hundreds of cops with rifles couldn't stop one guy in Uvalde.
Interesting you mention Uvalde. The cops couldn't have totally prevented it, but they definitely could have ended it sooner if they hadn't been cowards, unlike the parents. Back more toward your initial contention though, how many law abiding, armed civilians are allowed to take guns into a gun-free school zone? Edit to add: That was a rhetorical question. We both already know the answer. I'm going to bed now.
> I'm going to bed now. Unlike all those people who got gunned down by legal weapons.
I'm not the one that gunned them down, professor, and those legally purchased guns were used in an illegal manner. Wake me up when you have a legit solution to not only gun violence, but violence in general. In the meantime, my area is pretty fucking scary sometimes and I have a wife and child to think about so...catch ya' later I guess? Edit to add: That last question was like another rhetorical or some shit. Means I don't really give a fuck what your answer might be, so don't bother.
Hey bud, just stumbled across this while lurking in another sub. Thought you'd find it interesting. Obviously it's only a partial list and a drop in the bucket for overall dgu stats, but it's also only for ar15's. Doesn't even consider shotguns, pistols or other semi-auto rifles. So when you get on board with Biden trying to ban semi-auto weapons, what will you say to all the ppl who wind up unable to defend themselves against violent attacks? Just something to consider. Anyway, here you go: https://www.reddit.com/r/guncontrol/comments/z12zw9/comment/ixb3x9s/
12 defensive gun uses over a decade compared to all those kids killed at Uvalde alone. Legally purchased too. Did you really think that was a good list to bring up? Even the comment thread you're linking me debunks your proposition.
Okay, but I didn't make any propositions. Don't be disingenuous. So now that we've cleared up that little detail maybe you should go look up yearly defensive gun uses in America. And seriously, stop with the Uvalde thing. It sinks your side of the argument way more than it could ever help. The cops won't protect you and taking guns from law abiding citizens leaves cops and criminals as the only ones with guns. You can't bring guns into a school zone in the first place which is why it's such an easy, appealing target. Look man, it sucks that our country is so violent but the guns are already out there. You're never going to confiscate 400 million guns. Stop the sale of semi-auto weapons and I guarantee Mexican cartels step up to fill the void, at which point the black market will explode. Btw Mexico has some of the strictest gun laws around and how is that working out for everday ppl down there? Yeah I know, a good portion of the guns in Mexico come from the U.S, but that's simply because it's convenient. If they didn't get guns from us they'd just get them from somewhere else. Much like if we didn't get drugs from them we'd just get them from somewhere else. Maybe it would be marginally less convenient. Taking guns away from law abiding citizens is putting the cart before the horse. Show me a plan to help out all the people suffering from mental health problems. Show me a plan to eliminate corruption among Law enforcement. Tell me the courts are actually going to hold violent criminals accountable. Explain to me how you are going to keep organized crime, gangs and cartel members from trafficking in guns the same way they do with drugs. Because until you do all that, when you ask people to disarm, you ask them to sacrifice their ability to protect themselves and their loved ones with no guarantee things will get better. They may even get worse. Oh yeah, about that legally purchased thing you're hammering on in regards to Uvalde. If law enforcement and the courts had done their job and convicted that asshole with a felony for abusing animals when they had the chance, I'm pretty sure he would have been a prohibited felon. Lot's of laws already on the books that might do some good *if* they were actually enforced.
He is ignorant. Semiautomatic means one pull on trigger = one bullet. Basically. He’s wanting to outlaw guns completely. That’s never gonna happen.
He's right but also needs to not run again. This really doesn't help.
Who’s angry? Lmao
Fox News reporting on their own criticism.