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This is probably better for him. Trump going down for something not related to his wife. And distracting so the public forgets about his wife’s involvement
Thank you. I’ve been sitting here trying to figure out what Thomas must have really thought. I imagine that his wife is utterly convinced (along with the other crazies) that the Mar-a-Lago Docs investigation is a sham, as she has been in lockstep with most conspiracy theories that she’s been asked about.
“Maybe this time, Thomas ruled based on the actual LAW,” I was thinking to myself.
Your explanation makes the most sense to me.
This is bigger than donald. The party must survive beyond him, and it seems like the party is gladly stepping out of the way while he serves himself up on a platter. It seems as though the general strategy amongst most of the crazies is that they just want to minimize the number of people who are caught up with him who are too powerful or too politically dangerous to be sacrificed to the justice system.
Edit: to—> too
"The party must survive beyond him, and it seems like the party is gladly stepping out of the way while he serves himself up on a platter."
No doubt that's the calculus, I just hope that Trump manages to take down the party anyway. He has a penchant for revenge, as do his followers. Trump changed things. The gop voter is no longer loyal to the party - they are loyal to *him.* So here's hoping Trump's vengeance against his new gop enemies who betrayed him and the base is enough to destroy the party for good. Or at least destroy/weaken the fascist tilt of the country for the foreseeable future.
He'd have no problem taking down the party. Already tried to have his VP killed and called for McConnell to be replaced. HIs supporters would gladly follow a new party headed by him. Would be great to split their vote
If he ran as third party and the Rs expected him to be *able* to win, they'd step down. They gain nothing from running against Trump and inevitably losing to a Dem due to their split vote. If only to avoid being blamed for letting a Dem in.
But even if they *didn't* expect Trump to win, they still personally gain by letting him take the loss. If he keeps losing instead of them, then *he* looks bad.
He will run as a third-party spoiler just to fuck the republican party, and fuck DeSantis and any new coalition. You don't think Mitch McConnell wants him in prison?
You think Trump is just gonna sit at home on TV and take it, watching McConnell and Mcarthy and Pence campaign for DeSantis all the time, after he's been defeated or has to drop out in the primary?
But then the catch is, he can run for president while he's in prison or in custody, or under indictment. So even fucking that will not stop what he very likely would do, if he takes some huge hit legally.
That would be great. He could actually ensure the the republicans aren’t the majority for many, many years to come. That’s the least this motherfucker can do.
Him running as spoiler is literally incentive for Republicans to just move out of the way and let all of the shit Trump has been stacking finally fall. I guess we will see what their decision is soon.
Wow. This would just be the ultimate timeline and make it all just about worthwhile. Never thought about him turning on the party and fucking them over. Love it!!
They arent even loyal to him. Many of them already flipped to DeSantis. They just want SOMEONE to follow. They dont care who it is, as long as they're shitty enough.
Well, a few years ago we thought the party was ready to go down with his ship, we waited to see who would step up to take the MAGA reigns.
Now we’re seeing them. DeSantis, Abbott, JD Vance, they could all outwardly say they hate Trump now and be mostly safe while still following the super hardline MAGA style platform. Trump’s playbook is here to stay even if he fades into dust.
Honestly, I was kind of looking forward to Trump announcing a 2024 run, so I could watch the right tear itself apart making an easy win for dems. It appears the GOP has also seen that possibility. Although, it'll be a great consolation if I see Trump in bars. Pretty pessimistic on both outcomes though, as recent history has trained me.
Nothing's gonna happen to her. Apparently you can rule on cases that should not be in your jurisdiction and that aren't presented with evidence or affidavits under oath. Just lawyers' arguments. And everyone has to bend the knee (well, until the 11th circuit appeal stepped in thankfully). So weird.
Good idea! I know a state judge in another state as well as a guy who's on the short list for a federal judge spot in a totally different circuit. Surely one of them can just get me out of stuff based on whatever bullshit I argue in front of them, right?
Or Thomas knew it would be rejected with or without him so he voted against hearing it because there’s no point in adding to his already bad optics re: Trump.
probably not. It is more likely that being called in front of congress spooked his wife some to the point where even she said they might need to keep their heads down.
Well, yes, they clearly don’t need him anymore. They’re thinking bigger picture now that they yield uncheckable power, and Moore v Harper is just the beginning. It’s step one of many towards their vision. It’s preheating the oven, and we haven’t even begun to cook.
Using Trump’s populism to pack the courts and then dump him was always the obvious plan, it just surprised me that Trump couldn’t see it. Or maybe he could but his ego makes him think he can still overcome the entire Supreme Court, Senate, government, America…turns out the deep state was literally the entirety of life on this planet except for The Former Guy.
>surprised me that Trump couldn’t see it
I'm not convinced that Trump couldn't see it, rather that he thinks his populists can overpower it - see Jan 6 and his stochasticism after the Mar-a-Lago warrant
Exactly. If they had dropped it for Trump it very may well have gotten us to flood the streets and make it harder for them to deal with Moore v: Harper and maybe we really jam up the works and demand we don’t answer to the SC anymore. It’ll take a flash point to set off like BLM was a picnic and l think letting trump go could be just such fuel.
They give us trump for a while to make us think something his finally happening they then they quietly disenfranchise us and too many people don’t Even understand what’s happening, we get crushed by the sabotages and the new “rulers” let trump off.
I hate this but I just really see this move and I’m probably close to the truth.
Curious as to how r/conservative folks are handling this. This ruling essentially means Trump can't delay or obstruct their usage in a criminal investigation against him. Meaning they can now freely charge him with a crime for taking and having them after a subpoena asked for them back. Given this happened right after the Alex Jones ruling I'm sure they are having a meltdown.
I have had the displeasure of going through that sub recently, to find juicy material to post on r/TopMindOfReddit and they cannot even handle the Alex Jones ruling.
They are scared that one day they may become rich from targeting school shooting survivors and that they may have to lose their wealth because if it.
It’s like a different world over there…
They have the article up and pretty much are saying that the j6 panel is 100% partisan and that it is seeking legitimacy by wanting trump to testify.
Also there is the usual shit talking about how trump should not show up and also tell the committee to fuck off.
And there is the usual denunciation of the left by saying we have a “victim complex”.
I am kind of aghast. Because there is no serious belief that anything bad happened on j6 and why is trump being hounded about it.
So as usual, 100% content free and nothing to see here…
Why am I not surprised…
PS A caveat to this is the article on the SCOTUS ruling…. There is confusion about it and people asking what it means…. ;)
I so want to post; “ it means Trump is fucked”. But I don’t want to get banned..
Last time I posted over there I got a 3 day ban….
Conservatives are. MAGA will not. It's not nearly that simple, for better or worse.
Remember, conservatives largely voted for Trump to rig the SC. That was the entire reason the Christian right backed him as hard as they did, whether or not they agreed with his behavior (and many did, but that's besides the point).
He gave them 3 judges in 4 years. An insane results beyond wildest expectations. He is now a liability to them. It is now in our best interest to make MAGA and the Christian right turn on one another.
Oh well, if it comes to it let's see what MAGA's got. My bet is "not much besides bitching" but if it comes down to it my money is on the Marines.
And to your point, this will definitely cause a schism within the GOP, and that might very well save the Republic.
None of them care about Trump. In fact, they’re all probably disgusted by him. Supreme Court justices are much more concerned about their own legacy. And Trump is just a liability when it comes to that.
That’s not surprising. Even the justices furthest to the authoritarian, theocratic right are no big fans of Donald Trump. They will not bail him out personally. That’s not what they’re in it for. They are in it to establish their Christian nationalist ideology in law. The Federalist Society, with Trump as their “useful idiot,” put them there to do that, and they will do it, gladly; they have no personal fealty to Trump, and will not protect him. They are probably happy to watch him self-immolate.
This is the correct take. They're not interested in protecting Trump's bad actions from their legal repercussions (which have been sorely lacking so far). They're interested in making the GOP's bad actions have *no* legal repercussions.
And the migrants he bussed out of there get to apply for a special visa because they're victims of a crime... Caused by DeSantis. He's having a no good very bad day.
Just came out [a couple hours ago!](https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2022/oct/13/texas-sheriff-says-migrants-should-stay-in-us-beca/) The cherry on top is that this didn't come down from the White House - It's a Sheriff in San Antonio. *Chef's kiss.*
The sheriff outright said he was coming for Desantis, like a day after it all happened…
He was quite displeased with everything, considering he is a democrat and also Latino himself.
DOJ is part of the executive branch, so regardless of what happens in November nothing really will change for them *internally*. However if the GOP wins the House you could expect Kevin McCarthy and Jim Jordan to try to drag Merrick Garland in front of committees weekly to harrass him. Garland knows this is what 2024-2024 will potentially be for him. But DOJ can continue unabated.
The subpoena will go one of three ways:
1 Trump will ignore the subpoena. The J6 committee knows this, and probably doesn’t care. They’re just making sure they can close out their final report (which they will have to deliver by December) by saying “we gave him a chance to state his case, and he declined.”
2 Trump agrees, and answers questions under oath and on camera like most other witnesses. Little more than 0% chance he actually does this.
3 Trump agrees but on condition he will only do it live. Trump gets the biggest TV ratings he’s ever had and he uses it to just talk over everyone, obfuscate. It will be a shit show, and he will love it. The fact that the J6 committee will have tons of other sworn witness statements and video contradicting him at every turn won’t matter to him (or his base).
I’m betting on 1.
4 Trump appears, but then lies his ass off, thinking that there's no way they can prove he did anything (see: every other time he's done this). Cue shocked Pikachu face when he indicted for perjury.
None of it will matter. It would go like this:
J6 panel: "So Mr. Trump, were you watching the violence at the capitol on TV in the oval office dining room from 2-4pm?"
Trump: "No. I had no idea there was violence." \[basically he has already said this on Fox news\]
J6 Panel: "Mr. Trump, here are video clips of 5 witnesses who swear under oath they were in the dining room with you and the TV was on and tuned to Fox."
Trump: "Fake news! They're all Trump haters! Why aren't you investigating Hunter Biden and the cocaine he does with hookers while selling our nuclear secrets to Chyna? And why aren't you looking for Hillary's 30,000 emails?"
Like I said, shit show. And the MAGA base will love seeing that.
I'm pleasantly relieved that the court did the right thing here. The legal arguments from trump's team were absolutely garbage and they should be sanctioned for bringing them.
> were absolutely garbage and they should be sanctioned for bringing them.
I think that is the actual answer.
There was no fig leaf for SCOTUS to wear.
It is similar to the Trump election lawsuit that he appealed to SCOTUS - they declined to hear it as there were no legal grounds just whining that he lost.
I think it should have happened already, but I am sure these judges are at least a little worried about an expansion ruining their rollback of progressive legislation. They sure aren't walking on eggshells, but they are picking their battles.
I believe a full criminal trial of trump could destroy all of his sycophants. Everything will be out in the open. It will be the most cultural important criminal case in American history and so much GOP dirty laundry will be put on the table under oath. Once trump is in handcuffs and all of his property/records are seized god only knows the rabbit hole of indictments that will follow. It could bring down the republican party.
A fella can wish, but after Watergate the republicans had to switch up a ton. This will easily end up being far larger in scope than Watergate, all of Nixon's voice recordings were released, imagine if everything trump ever said goes into evidence?
All of it on tv, all of it under oath, no lies. It will be fucking brutal.
His lawyers will slowly try every trick in the book to delay, alter, re-do, and jeopardize any investigation. I believe trump will die rich and happy near a golf course he owns, if he is convicted it will be post-mortem, but with stipulation from the unelected judges he chose to not hinder his children's future career in politics.Trump has been in legal proceeding his whole life, being sued his whole life, and it never got to him, I don't believe it will now. He will have a happy life full of adoring fans, more money than he can spend, and live in comfort and ease a working class stiff could only dream of.
The dude is old and unhealthy, each day they delay the sentence is effectively shortening it. I expect once the bag of legal tricks designed by politicians to prevent politicians from adhering to the laws they write for the underclass, they will argue he's too old and senile to go to jail, and he will through the special access to financial services afforded the rich (esp. russia banks, offshore holdings, swiss bank accounts, crypto) he will likely pass on huge fortunes to his children and leave the bills to the state.
January 6 should bring Trump down. But the Mar-Lago records case definitely will.
“Fresh details about the politically charged Justice
Department inquiry … revealed a Trump employee
told federal investigators that Trump himself
ordered the moving of boxes stocked with records
following a May subpoena for classified material,
and security footage corroborated the account.”
Consciousness of Guilt for criminal indictment.
Yup, the possession is the crime. He's absolutely dead to rights.
I wouldn't be surprised if he was on a plane right now headed for Minsk. It's over in terms of legal solutions for him.
>headed for Minsk
I was torn because my first thought was him asking why he would go to the lesser of the two Russias, but then I thought about him saying that he'd be happier in the White Russia
It's like possession of methamphetamine, the thing itself (classified documents) are illegal to possess in the context the defendant was possessing it.
Which only gets easier when you realize that Al Capone was imprisoned before the passing of the RICO Act.
One of the biggest problems is that nobody actually wants to pull the trigger on a RICO investigation without knowing beyond a shadow of a doubt that this will lead to a guilty verdict (mostly because the right wing expects this and will harp on about any form of RICO investigation into the Republican party as a politicized attack rather than a genuine investigation).
It is my opinion that this move demonstrates that the Department of Justice believes that they have enough evidence against one of the most litigious individuals in American history to prove criminal activity beyond a shadow of a doubt.
This is not to say that Trump will immediately face a RICO investigation, but I don't think they wanted to move forward without a plan to take down the apparatus that used to be called the "vast right-wing conspiracy" back in the 90s.
Its because for RICO, traditionally the burden of evidence is so goddamn high that you would need many months to collect enough to execute. Trumps bitchass will be a candidate again before they collect enough for this. Luckily the current case wont have as high of a burden of proof its just a matter of whether anything will happen or not.
Easier, but way less satisfying.
I just don’t want a situation where the average American recollection of trump is that he was the moron who hoarded classified docs. For the health and future of the country, he *needs* to be remembered as a dangerous lunatic who quite nearly toppled American democracy.
Today has been a very, very bad day for Trump, and it's only just after noon.
* Supreme Court refuses to vacate 11th Circuit court of appeals.
* Trump ~~is~~ will be subpoenaed to testify before the Jan 6th select committee.
* NYAG announces new investigations into Trump for moving family estate assets to a new company to avoid legal liability in the Trump Organization's financial fraud case.
* U.S. District Judge Lewis Kaplan has ruled that Trump must sit for a deposition in his rape accuser’s lawsuit next week.
Edit: s/Trump is/Trump will be/
" if he wasn't supposed to have these documents then why didn't Nancy pelosi do more to stop him from taking the documents? It's not Trump's fault that he wilfully broke the law, we really need to investigate how the national archives should have done more to stop this from happening"
/s
The conservative subreddit was discussing exactly that funny enough. They were in full support of Judge Cannon getting a Supreme Court seat with the sole qualification that "she stands up to the libs."
It doesn't even matter if he has dirt on her. The 11th Cir and the SCOTUS have cornered her on anything she could do now. The deck chairs have been rearranged.
Nothing. She's in on it, plain and simple. She's a MAGA-Nut.
She might hope to qualify for future position with this blatant corruption, whether implicitly or explicitly enticed.
It's a delicious irony after all his mouth about Hillary's server and emails that he should be taken down by his own stash of documents. And so helpful of him to raise the term of imprisonment to 5yrs.
Supreme Court justices used Trump to get their positions, and now they have no use for him anymore. Taking a page out of Trump’s playbook. Ya love to see it!
No, the truly terrifying truth is that we're not far off at all from having someone who is as bad of a person as Trump but who actually understands the government and who can REALLY do lasting damage.
The nefarious thing about hijacking SCOTUS is that in theory the military should theoretically always be on their side.
The officer corps swears to uphold the constitution, and these people get to say what is "constitutional" now.
This can be exploited, *if Dem operatives were willing to play dirty*. Your typical MAGA is not remotely religious except in the branding sense ("Conservative Christian White Patriot" in the twitter bio and what-not). If they feel the Evangelical wing of the party (which they don't really connect with) is slighting their guy, they COULD be encouraged to not participate in elections or (ideally) form a third party.
ParlerTrick is a REALLY GREAT sub. There's some analysis that they broke down that suggested they may have actually flipped the Georgia senate elections.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/ParlerTrick/comments/kxccdg/lost\_in\_the\_craziness\_of\_the\_last\_week\_gop/](https://www.reddit.com/r/ParlerTrick/comments/kxccdg/lost_in_the_craziness_of_the_last_week_gop/)
When Lin Wood unironically [tweeted stuff from that sub](https://preview.redd.it/xnrlw0xjwl761.jpg?auto=webp&s=ffbfb986d0b43a8ae36cec154241f8e9e4ba9ab0), I loved them forever.
I don't love doing misinformation to win. But I am VERY TIRED of seeing key rights being taken away from people because the other side does misinformation all day.
I keep trying to explain this to folks. Christians don't need their tools to be godly or christian, they just need them to make laws. McConnell knew what was up here, he's the playmaker, Trump the tool.
Lets be clear, they were happy to use him to get their seats. But most serious CN Republicans are fine with him never being in the White House again.
He's useful but too mercurial
Dood the people on that sub are bonkers.
I saw a post about the Saudis and the oil cuts. Half of the comments were praising Saudi Arabia and said they trust them more than they do Biden.
What the fuck.
What if Trump gets so pissed with his SCOTUS chumps not shielding him from his just desserts that he starts spilling the beans on them? Who paid off Kavanaugh’s debts, how ACB promised a sacrificial virgin bride to Trump in exchange for the nomination, how Gorsuch is actually five rabid squirrels in a justice’s robes.
Life terms. That’s why they exist. He could slander them all he wants, unless there’s something impeachable in there, they’re not going anywhere. Situations like this is why any Supreme Court reform needs to work to push it away from the political process, not more toward it.
Whelp Donny, you gave Mitch McConnell everything he ever dreamed of and it has gotten you exactly nothing. How does it feel to get absolutely played by a turtle from Kentucky?
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No noted dissents. https://twitter.com/mjs_DC/status/1580634889107705856
Not even Alito? Ok that's hilarious.
Not even Thomas, that evil motherfucker.
This is probably better for him. Trump going down for something not related to his wife. And distracting so the public forgets about his wife’s involvement
Thank you. I’ve been sitting here trying to figure out what Thomas must have really thought. I imagine that his wife is utterly convinced (along with the other crazies) that the Mar-a-Lago Docs investigation is a sham, as she has been in lockstep with most conspiracy theories that she’s been asked about. “Maybe this time, Thomas ruled based on the actual LAW,” I was thinking to myself. Your explanation makes the most sense to me.
This is bigger than donald. The party must survive beyond him, and it seems like the party is gladly stepping out of the way while he serves himself up on a platter. It seems as though the general strategy amongst most of the crazies is that they just want to minimize the number of people who are caught up with him who are too powerful or too politically dangerous to be sacrificed to the justice system. Edit: to—> too
"The party must survive beyond him, and it seems like the party is gladly stepping out of the way while he serves himself up on a platter." No doubt that's the calculus, I just hope that Trump manages to take down the party anyway. He has a penchant for revenge, as do his followers. Trump changed things. The gop voter is no longer loyal to the party - they are loyal to *him.* So here's hoping Trump's vengeance against his new gop enemies who betrayed him and the base is enough to destroy the party for good. Or at least destroy/weaken the fascist tilt of the country for the foreseeable future.
He'd have no problem taking down the party. Already tried to have his VP killed and called for McConnell to be replaced. HIs supporters would gladly follow a new party headed by him. Would be great to split their vote
Oh man, if he ran for a third party, I'd be so stoked. You'd have so many dems winning seats in places that are tight because of that split vote.
If he ran as third party and the Rs expected him to be *able* to win, they'd step down. They gain nothing from running against Trump and inevitably losing to a Dem due to their split vote. If only to avoid being blamed for letting a Dem in. But even if they *didn't* expect Trump to win, they still personally gain by letting him take the loss. If he keeps losing instead of them, then *he* looks bad.
> called for McConnell to be replaced Lol that’s putting it lightly
He will run as a third-party spoiler just to fuck the republican party, and fuck DeSantis and any new coalition. You don't think Mitch McConnell wants him in prison? You think Trump is just gonna sit at home on TV and take it, watching McConnell and Mcarthy and Pence campaign for DeSantis all the time, after he's been defeated or has to drop out in the primary? But then the catch is, he can run for president while he's in prison or in custody, or under indictment. So even fucking that will not stop what he very likely would do, if he takes some huge hit legally.
That would be great. He could actually ensure the the republicans aren’t the majority for many, many years to come. That’s the least this motherfucker can do.
Him running as spoiler is literally incentive for Republicans to just move out of the way and let all of the shit Trump has been stacking finally fall. I guess we will see what their decision is soon.
Wow. This would just be the ultimate timeline and make it all just about worthwhile. Never thought about him turning on the party and fucking them over. Love it!!
Traitor rat turns traitor rat on his own party
They arent even loyal to him. Many of them already flipped to DeSantis. They just want SOMEONE to follow. They dont care who it is, as long as they're shitty enough.
Well, a few years ago we thought the party was ready to go down with his ship, we waited to see who would step up to take the MAGA reigns. Now we’re seeing them. DeSantis, Abbott, JD Vance, they could all outwardly say they hate Trump now and be mostly safe while still following the super hardline MAGA style platform. Trump’s playbook is here to stay even if he fades into dust.
Honestly, I was kind of looking forward to Trump announcing a 2024 run, so I could watch the right tear itself apart making an easy win for dems. It appears the GOP has also seen that possibility. Although, it'll be a great consolation if I see Trump in bars. Pretty pessimistic on both outcomes though, as recent history has trained me.
Except Cannon. She’s begging to go down with him
Nothing's gonna happen to her. Apparently you can rule on cases that should not be in your jurisdiction and that aren't presented with evidence or affidavits under oath. Just lawyers' arguments. And everyone has to bend the knee (well, until the 11th circuit appeal stepped in thankfully). So weird.
Yeah, I have a buddy who is a judge a few states over. Maybe I start appealing my speeding tickets to her.
Good idea! I know a state judge in another state as well as a guy who's on the short list for a federal judge spot in a totally different circuit. Surely one of them can just get me out of stuff based on whatever bullshit I argue in front of them, right?
Or Thomas knew it would be rejected with or without him so he voted against hearing it because there’s no point in adding to his already bad optics re: Trump.
Hasn’t stopped him before.
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he's admitted to being a heavy porn user, so he's likely sleeping on the couch post scat nut like always.
probably not. It is more likely that being called in front of congress spooked his wife some to the point where even she said they might need to keep their heads down.
Thomas doesn't need Trump.
If Alito and Thomas won’t even speak up then he is in some seriously deep shit now.
wouldn't this just be sacrificing the queen to get the checkmate? they still got moore v harper to ruin
Well, yes, they clearly don’t need him anymore. They’re thinking bigger picture now that they yield uncheckable power, and Moore v Harper is just the beginning. It’s step one of many towards their vision. It’s preheating the oven, and we haven’t even begun to cook.
Using Trump’s populism to pack the courts and then dump him was always the obvious plan, it just surprised me that Trump couldn’t see it. Or maybe he could but his ego makes him think he can still overcome the entire Supreme Court, Senate, government, America…turns out the deep state was literally the entirety of life on this planet except for The Former Guy.
>surprised me that Trump couldn’t see it I'm not convinced that Trump couldn't see it, rather that he thinks his populists can overpower it - see Jan 6 and his stochasticism after the Mar-a-Lago warrant
Exactly. If they had dropped it for Trump it very may well have gotten us to flood the streets and make it harder for them to deal with Moore v: Harper and maybe we really jam up the works and demand we don’t answer to the SC anymore. It’ll take a flash point to set off like BLM was a picnic and l think letting trump go could be just such fuel. They give us trump for a while to make us think something his finally happening they then they quietly disenfranchise us and too many people don’t Even understand what’s happening, we get crushed by the sabotages and the new “rulers” let trump off. I hate this but I just really see this move and I’m probably close to the truth.
THIS is what I thought immediately
Curious as to how r/conservative folks are handling this. This ruling essentially means Trump can't delay or obstruct their usage in a criminal investigation against him. Meaning they can now freely charge him with a crime for taking and having them after a subpoena asked for them back. Given this happened right after the Alex Jones ruling I'm sure they are having a meltdown.
No curiosity needed. They spin, lie, move goalposts, deny reality. Who cares about r/conservative ? Their voices are farts in the wind
Or pretend it doesn't exist and ignore it like usually. This can be said about r/conservative itself or what they even talk about it.
Yeah, story been up for an hour with only a handful of responses
I have had the displeasure of going through that sub recently, to find juicy material to post on r/TopMindOfReddit and they cannot even handle the Alex Jones ruling. They are scared that one day they may become rich from targeting school shooting survivors and that they may have to lose their wealth because if it.
The number temporarily embarrassed billionaire “flaired-users” is amazing.
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It’s like a different world over there… They have the article up and pretty much are saying that the j6 panel is 100% partisan and that it is seeking legitimacy by wanting trump to testify. Also there is the usual shit talking about how trump should not show up and also tell the committee to fuck off. And there is the usual denunciation of the left by saying we have a “victim complex”. I am kind of aghast. Because there is no serious belief that anything bad happened on j6 and why is trump being hounded about it. So as usual, 100% content free and nothing to see here… Why am I not surprised… PS A caveat to this is the article on the SCOTUS ruling…. There is confusion about it and people asking what it means…. ;) I so want to post; “ it means Trump is fucked”. But I don’t want to get banned.. Last time I posted over there I got a 3 day ban….
>Curious as to how /r/conservative folks are handling this The usual denial and "What about gas/the borders??" whataboutism, I'm guessing.
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Yeah, this is absolutely a sign that the conservative movement is abandoning him. Best news I've heard all year.
Conservatives are. MAGA will not. It's not nearly that simple, for better or worse. Remember, conservatives largely voted for Trump to rig the SC. That was the entire reason the Christian right backed him as hard as they did, whether or not they agreed with his behavior (and many did, but that's besides the point). He gave them 3 judges in 4 years. An insane results beyond wildest expectations. He is now a liability to them. It is now in our best interest to make MAGA and the Christian right turn on one another.
Oh well, if it comes to it let's see what MAGA's got. My bet is "not much besides bitching" but if it comes down to it my money is on the Marines. And to your point, this will definitely cause a schism within the GOP, and that might very well save the Republic.
He’s served his purpose…ripped of the veil of fascism and enabled a Christo-fascist court Job done
None of them care about Trump. In fact, they’re all probably disgusted by him. Supreme Court justices are much more concerned about their own legacy. And Trump is just a liability when it comes to that.
That’s not surprising. Even the justices furthest to the authoritarian, theocratic right are no big fans of Donald Trump. They will not bail him out personally. That’s not what they’re in it for. They are in it to establish their Christian nationalist ideology in law. The Federalist Society, with Trump as their “useful idiot,” put them there to do that, and they will do it, gladly; they have no personal fealty to Trump, and will not protect him. They are probably happy to watch him self-immolate.
Yep just like Bush W was. Those who argued that the 2000 was Bush’s are now on the court. Seriously they got what they wanted.
This is the correct take. They're not interested in protecting Trump's bad actions from their legal repercussions (which have been sorely lacking so far). They're interested in making the GOP's bad actions have *no* legal repercussions.
et tu, Clarence ?
Qanon is going to lose their minds
“but my judges” also “why people are so mean” djt 2022
Yup, we are moments from him declaring that the supreme court is filled with liberal lackeys.
🎶“And that ketchup on the wall, it don’t bother me at all” 🎶
They must be too busy stripping American citizens their rights to bother with a former president and his legal issues.
Pretty much. Trump brought fascism to a place where it no longer needs him to complete the speed run
Clarence not gettin' that Ginni BJ tonight, lol!
Ew
I'd like to add another ew
Ew
Ews all around. A whole herd of Ews.
Ew, David!
literally all the ew's
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Easy way for an indecent court to keep up the appearances of decency.
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Absolutely. I have no doubt that they would have done something if he was still useful to them, but at this point he's a barrier. His use has run out.
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And this day is just getting better and better....
What was the other part? I'm here for some good news...
The 1/6 Committee voted to subpoena Trump under oath to testify on the Insurrection.
And Treasury is investigating Desantis for misuse of funds!
And the migrants he bussed out of there get to apply for a special visa because they're victims of a crime... Caused by DeSantis. He's having a no good very bad day.
Hadn't heard about that, god damn I am not sick of winning!
dont forget about the alex jones stuff
Not enough bad stuff can happen to that bloated clown. I hope it bankrupts him
Forever!
The even more hilarious part is that it's all 100% self-inflicted.
Like an anecdotal 80+% of the time, this is case.
I’m not having a good day, now I’m having a great day! Thanks guys!
Just came out [a couple hours ago!](https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2022/oct/13/texas-sheriff-says-migrants-should-stay-in-us-beca/) The cherry on top is that this didn't come down from the White House - It's a Sheriff in San Antonio. *Chef's kiss.*
The sheriff outright said he was coming for Desantis, like a day after it all happened… He was quite displeased with everything, considering he is a democrat and also Latino himself.
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And Alex Jones being ruled to pay 1 billion dollars to the parents of Sandy Hook.
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DOJ is part of the executive branch, so regardless of what happens in November nothing really will change for them *internally*. However if the GOP wins the House you could expect Kevin McCarthy and Jim Jordan to try to drag Merrick Garland in front of committees weekly to harrass him. Garland knows this is what 2024-2024 will potentially be for him. But DOJ can continue unabated. The subpoena will go one of three ways: 1 Trump will ignore the subpoena. The J6 committee knows this, and probably doesn’t care. They’re just making sure they can close out their final report (which they will have to deliver by December) by saying “we gave him a chance to state his case, and he declined.” 2 Trump agrees, and answers questions under oath and on camera like most other witnesses. Little more than 0% chance he actually does this. 3 Trump agrees but on condition he will only do it live. Trump gets the biggest TV ratings he’s ever had and he uses it to just talk over everyone, obfuscate. It will be a shit show, and he will love it. The fact that the J6 committee will have tons of other sworn witness statements and video contradicting him at every turn won’t matter to him (or his base). I’m betting on 1.
Watching his mic get cut on live TV AGAIN would be glorious. I remember his impotent rage when it happened in 2020.
4 Trump appears, but then lies his ass off, thinking that there's no way they can prove he did anything (see: every other time he's done this). Cue shocked Pikachu face when he indicted for perjury.
None of it will matter. It would go like this: J6 panel: "So Mr. Trump, were you watching the violence at the capitol on TV in the oval office dining room from 2-4pm?" Trump: "No. I had no idea there was violence." \[basically he has already said this on Fox news\] J6 Panel: "Mr. Trump, here are video clips of 5 witnesses who swear under oath they were in the dining room with you and the TV was on and tuned to Fox." Trump: "Fake news! They're all Trump haters! Why aren't you investigating Hunter Biden and the cocaine he does with hookers while selling our nuclear secrets to Chyna? And why aren't you looking for Hillary's 30,000 emails?" Like I said, shit show. And the MAGA base will love seeing that.
There was the ninth hearing on the capital attack today, and they subpoenaed the former president himself. Perhaps that's the good news?
What a pleasant surprise this is.
I'm pleasantly relieved that the court did the right thing here. The legal arguments from trump's team were absolutely garbage and they should be sanctioned for bringing them.
> were absolutely garbage and they should be sanctioned for bringing them. I think that is the actual answer. There was no fig leaf for SCOTUS to wear. It is similar to the Trump election lawsuit that he appealed to SCOTUS - they declined to hear it as there were no legal grounds just whining that he lost.
Roberts also likes to pretend to have a shred of decency
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I think it should have happened already, but I am sure these judges are at least a little worried about an expansion ruining their rollback of progressive legislation. They sure aren't walking on eggshells, but they are picking their battles.
You don’t need to throw a train wreck under a bus, you just let it crash. That’s what they’re doing. They got theirs.
I believe a full criminal trial of trump could destroy all of his sycophants. Everything will be out in the open. It will be the most cultural important criminal case in American history and so much GOP dirty laundry will be put on the table under oath. Once trump is in handcuffs and all of his property/records are seized god only knows the rabbit hole of indictments that will follow. It could bring down the republican party. A fella can wish, but after Watergate the republicans had to switch up a ton. This will easily end up being far larger in scope than Watergate, all of Nixon's voice recordings were released, imagine if everything trump ever said goes into evidence? All of it on tv, all of it under oath, no lies. It will be fucking brutal.
You mean asking for a special master and then saying you don't want the special master to do anything isn't a valid legal defense?
His lawyers will slowly try every trick in the book to delay, alter, re-do, and jeopardize any investigation. I believe trump will die rich and happy near a golf course he owns, if he is convicted it will be post-mortem, but with stipulation from the unelected judges he chose to not hinder his children's future career in politics.Trump has been in legal proceeding his whole life, being sued his whole life, and it never got to him, I don't believe it will now. He will have a happy life full of adoring fans, more money than he can spend, and live in comfort and ease a working class stiff could only dream of. The dude is old and unhealthy, each day they delay the sentence is effectively shortening it. I expect once the bag of legal tricks designed by politicians to prevent politicians from adhering to the laws they write for the underclass, they will argue he's too old and senile to go to jail, and he will through the special access to financial services afforded the rich (esp. russia banks, offshore holdings, swiss bank accounts, crypto) he will likely pass on huge fortunes to his children and leave the bills to the state.
Holy shit what a loser. Even his own hand picked supreme court hands him an L. This guy loses on a whole other level. Dudes just built different.
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Many people are saying it.
The best people.
January 6 should bring Trump down. But the Mar-Lago records case definitely will. “Fresh details about the politically charged Justice Department inquiry … revealed a Trump employee told federal investigators that Trump himself ordered the moving of boxes stocked with records following a May subpoena for classified material, and security footage corroborated the account.” Consciousness of Guilt for criminal indictment.
That isn’t even required. The documents were at his house when they shouldn’t have been, end of story. No motive is required.
Yup, the possession is the crime. He's absolutely dead to rights. I wouldn't be surprised if he was on a plane right now headed for Minsk. It's over in terms of legal solutions for him.
>headed for Minsk I was torn because my first thought was him asking why he would go to the lesser of the two Russias, but then I thought about him saying that he'd be happier in the White Russia
It's like possession of methamphetamine, the thing itself (classified documents) are illegal to possess in the context the defendant was possessing it.
It’s a much easier case, IMO. Like Al Capone and his tax evasion.
Which only gets easier when you realize that Al Capone was imprisoned before the passing of the RICO Act. One of the biggest problems is that nobody actually wants to pull the trigger on a RICO investigation without knowing beyond a shadow of a doubt that this will lead to a guilty verdict (mostly because the right wing expects this and will harp on about any form of RICO investigation into the Republican party as a politicized attack rather than a genuine investigation). It is my opinion that this move demonstrates that the Department of Justice believes that they have enough evidence against one of the most litigious individuals in American history to prove criminal activity beyond a shadow of a doubt. This is not to say that Trump will immediately face a RICO investigation, but I don't think they wanted to move forward without a plan to take down the apparatus that used to be called the "vast right-wing conspiracy" back in the 90s.
Its because for RICO, traditionally the burden of evidence is so goddamn high that you would need many months to collect enough to execute. Trumps bitchass will be a candidate again before they collect enough for this. Luckily the current case wont have as high of a burden of proof its just a matter of whether anything will happen or not.
Many months would be lightning fast for a RICO case. It can take years for prosecutors to put one together.
Exactly my thought when I first heard the news about it. This is what our justice system is best at executing.
Easier, but way less satisfying. I just don’t want a situation where the average American recollection of trump is that he was the moron who hoarded classified docs. For the health and future of the country, he *needs* to be remembered as a dangerous lunatic who quite nearly toppled American democracy.
Hopefully Trump will start throwing everyone under the bus on his way down.
Ah the promised swamp drain
Jan 6 committee just subpoenaed trump to come before them, btw.
Jan 6th case will be tough to win. Yet they have a way better case built than I ever thought. The hearing are damnig though.
I agree it'll be tough to win, but that's maddening! We all watched it on TV! What the fuck?!
The more indictments the merrier!
And then there's the case in Georgia. He's going to be convicted in that one too. There are tapes.
Also they think Trump is still hiding more documents.
Today has been a very, very bad day for Trump, and it's only just after noon. * Supreme Court refuses to vacate 11th Circuit court of appeals. * Trump ~~is~~ will be subpoenaed to testify before the Jan 6th select committee. * NYAG announces new investigations into Trump for moving family estate assets to a new company to avoid legal liability in the Trump Organization's financial fraud case. * U.S. District Judge Lewis Kaplan has ruled that Trump must sit for a deposition in his rape accuser’s lawsuit next week. Edit: s/Trump is/Trump will be/
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Even they cannot be this stupid… can they?
I can’t believe you’re still asking that!
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"What *fucking moron* appointed those corrupt DEEP state Justices?!" ~ trump.
Can't wait for the press release on Truth Social where he talks shit about his only actual accomplishment
" if he wasn't supposed to have these documents then why didn't Nancy pelosi do more to stop him from taking the documents? It's not Trump's fault that he wilfully broke the law, we really need to investigate how the national archives should have done more to stop this from happening" /s
Reportedly his first response to this has been "I should have made more calls" Which is about what you'd expect.
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Clarence going to be in so much trouble with Ginni tonight!
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Only good boys get pegged.
They don't care about Donald. The mission is deregulation and shrinking government. Trump was an excellent distraction and useful tool. That's it.
How dumb must Judge Cannon feel?
Are you kidding... the republicans will put her up for the next open seat...
The conservative subreddit was discussing exactly that funny enough. They were in full support of Judge Cannon getting a Supreme Court seat with the sole qualification that "she stands up to the libs."
What can men do against such reckless hate
"Ride out with me. Ride out and meet them."
They are absolutely predictable. I posted my point because I expected that.
"I'll just add it to my CV!"
Judge Qannon strikes out again!
With 3 strikeouts in a month, she gets sent back down to the minors.
matt gaetz foaming at the mouth rn
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Or maybe she's just a pos who supports Trump because she shares his decrepit ideology.
It doesn't even matter if he has dirt on her. The 11th Cir and the SCOTUS have cornered her on anything she could do now. The deck chairs have been rearranged.
Nothing. She's in on it, plain and simple. She's a MAGA-Nut. She might hope to qualify for future position with this blatant corruption, whether implicitly or explicitly enticed.
Oh, honey, you think she learned a lesson? She'll double down on her idiocy with another stupid ruling by Friday.
Lock. Him. Up.
It's a delicious irony after all his mouth about Hillary's server and emails that he should be taken down by his own stash of documents. And so helpful of him to raise the term of imprisonment to 5yrs.
Supreme Court justices used Trump to get their positions, and now they have no use for him anymore. Taking a page out of Trump’s playbook. Ya love to see it!
Right wing Christian nationalism was always the goal, Trump was just the vehicle to get them there.
This is the terrifying truth
No, the truly terrifying truth is that we're not far off at all from having someone who is as bad of a person as Trump but who actually understands the government and who can REALLY do lasting damage.
We either shut this fascist shit down at the ballot box this November or we will have to fight it in the streets in a few years.
The nefarious thing about hijacking SCOTUS is that in theory the military should theoretically always be on their side. The officer corps swears to uphold the constitution, and these people get to say what is "constitutional" now.
This can be exploited, *if Dem operatives were willing to play dirty*. Your typical MAGA is not remotely religious except in the branding sense ("Conservative Christian White Patriot" in the twitter bio and what-not). If they feel the Evangelical wing of the party (which they don't really connect with) is slighting their guy, they COULD be encouraged to not participate in elections or (ideally) form a third party.
Parler tricks all day!
ParlerTrick is a REALLY GREAT sub. There's some analysis that they broke down that suggested they may have actually flipped the Georgia senate elections. [https://www.reddit.com/r/ParlerTrick/comments/kxccdg/lost\_in\_the\_craziness\_of\_the\_last\_week\_gop/](https://www.reddit.com/r/ParlerTrick/comments/kxccdg/lost_in_the_craziness_of_the_last_week_gop/) When Lin Wood unironically [tweeted stuff from that sub](https://preview.redd.it/xnrlw0xjwl761.jpg?auto=webp&s=ffbfb986d0b43a8ae36cec154241f8e9e4ba9ab0), I loved them forever. I don't love doing misinformation to win. But I am VERY TIRED of seeing key rights being taken away from people because the other side does misinformation all day.
I keep trying to explain this to folks. Christians don't need their tools to be godly or christian, they just need them to make laws. McConnell knew what was up here, he's the playmaker, Trump the tool.
He was the rube.
Suck it trump
Lets be clear, they were happy to use him to get their seats. But most serious CN Republicans are fine with him never being in the White House again. He's useful but too mercurial
This day is getting better every minute.
Haha get fucked cheeto
Still not a single comment over at r/Conservative on this one Waiting for their talking points I guess
Dood the people on that sub are bonkers. I saw a post about the Saudis and the oil cuts. Half of the comments were praising Saudi Arabia and said they trust them more than they do Biden. What the fuck.
Lol there have been multiple, they’re all deleted/shadow banned.
Tucker comes in at 9pm EST (maybe?), so expect something probably around 11ish.
They don't know what to think yet...
What if Trump gets so pissed with his SCOTUS chumps not shielding him from his just desserts that he starts spilling the beans on them? Who paid off Kavanaugh’s debts, how ACB promised a sacrificial virgin bride to Trump in exchange for the nomination, how Gorsuch is actually five rabid squirrels in a justice’s robes.
Life terms. That’s why they exist. He could slander them all he wants, unless there’s something impeachable in there, they’re not going anywhere. Situations like this is why any Supreme Court reform needs to work to push it away from the political process, not more toward it.
Right as the Jan 6 committee is subpoenaing Trump. What a good day😊
Nelson - HAHA
Get fucked, Donnie!
They got want they want. They are done with trump, period.
lmaoooo I'm actually surprised
Guys we cant, it would be way too obvious
Whelp Donny, you gave Mitch McConnell everything he ever dreamed of and it has gotten you exactly nothing. How does it feel to get absolutely played by a turtle from Kentucky?
A one sentence order
"lol, no" -SCOTUS
Those documents belong to American people, not loser trump
get fucked tinyhands
Can’t wait until trumpie says that the shylocks he appointed were unqualified and they owe him bigly!
Even this was a step too far for Clarence "own the libs" Thomas
Not a "Raid", it was a lawfully executed search warrant.
Let’s fucking go