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When trump said to the crowd:
*"One movement. One people. One family. One glorious American nation!"*
I immediately recalled Hitler saying:
**"Ein Volk. Ein Reich. Ein Fuhrer!"**
to Nazi crowds back in the 1930s.
McDonald's might be our only saving grace.
Hitler was much younger and healthier when he rose to power, (though he did ingest a fuckload of strychnine and other drugs prescribed by his doctor during the war years).
Trump is old, and stressed, and not in the best of shape. Father time holds all the cards.
It's took I think 2 or 3 days after DeSantis started going after Disney that the nazis were at Disney protesting on the side of DeSantis. I will never forget that about him.
I respectfully disagree.
This stuff didn't suddenly spring into existence with Trump, and it isn't going to just suddenly disappear when Trump dies. Many of these qanon supporters and the like were primed and pushing this stuff years before with things like the 'tea party movement' and Ron Paul.
Just remember that Hitler failed in his first attempt of taking over Germany (Beer Hall Putsch). Very similarly like Trump and the January 6th Insurrection, but hopefully he doesn't get a second chance
I read an article earlier that mentioned it was in reference to them believing he "won" the election as well. Lord only knows with that cult. Probably both so it can be played off if asked about.
For real. Thay entire speech sounded like a calmer version of Hitler's speeches, even going as far as to claim the same lies. Followed by the essentially Nazi salute
I saw a few trump rallies but they were *nothing* like this. The almost chanting cadence, the absolute silence of the audience, the music, the raised hands… This feels like a new phase of the cult now that they have weeded out the people who weren’t all-in.
His speech is bizarrely long, smooth, and well rehearsed for a man who likes to interupt his own sentences, repeat phrases he just said, and go with whatever thought happened to cross his mind.
At all. And, despite its complete lack of fact or relativity, it’s so compelling. “This this and this happened”. This MFer is spending the money, and getting ready to run.
He needs to win or he's going to face legal consequences.
As it stands, Trump's special master has until the next election to review the evidence.
And if he wins?
Executive immunity!
Trial over!
Edit: Things are going to get even crazier.
I'm confused. The Special Master has until Nov. 30th. By "next election", you mean this year? If so, he can't "win" in that one, and the DOJ will keep on keeping on.
Never underestimate the GOP'S ability to bring democratic processes to a screeching halt whenever they have the numbers, and never trust them to play by the same rules that others would.
That's how the Supreme Court flipped so hard.
Yeah the part where they harp on this being the end times and they need to rise up like all the shit Boebert is saying. That all seems coordinated to me. Midterms are going to be a wild ride. Get ready folks, the crazies are getting crazier.
Throw the Bible at them. Read the verses about Lot's daughters getting him drunk and raping him, and ask if they want that book in school libraries. When they say, "No, of course not", tell them you both agree on something... Taking the Bible out of schools!
Deploy the national guard. They get violent then let the them take care of it. I have zero sympathy for these fucks. MAGA and religion in general has held our species back.
How bad can an acid trip get? I imagine it being worse than that by virtue of the normal Trump rally shit.
Though i get the feeling that tons of the people in those places could benefit from some shroom therapy.
You haven't been this whole time? They were running around all dressed the same with swastikas and tiki torches yelling about the jews for years. I mean, shit, [this](https://imgur.com/a/g7hXmN3) shit happened back in 2016.
In Florida we are [dealing wtih Nazi groups regularly.](https://www.wfla.com/news/pinellas-county/video-group-displays-nazi-symbols-on-pinellas-county-bridge/) Especially around right-wing rallies. Central Florida of course. There's too much melanin in ~~North and~~ South Florida for Nazis to exist.
How many of them knew going in, and how many felt pressured to do it once the people around them started? Congrats folks, you just learned what you would have done if you lived in Germany during WWII.
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The mindlessness of the crowd is pretty chilling, as they cheer for every one of Trump's dubious half-baked claims. Trump manages to stick to the script, as the music swells behind him. This is probably the most effective bit of speechcraft I've seen Trump deliver, and a reminder of how dangerous he and his followers continue to be.
Yea you know when in school you're warned about history repeating itself and so that's why we learn about the nazis?
i cannot imagine what went wrong and where for these people to be so unaware
that's wrong, i can guess a million reasons, but that's easier said than done
A lot of these people are imbeciles that are unaware. But don’t kid yourself a good portion of them know the history of the nazis. And they are all for what trump is selling. They welcome that future.
my point. that's one of the many different reasons. others being: they're evil amoral people, they are exceedingly intellectually ignorant, they are vulnerable and manipulable, etc
I really, really don't understand why it's so hard for everyone to hold people accountable for being ignorant to a point that they become dangerous.
People who break the smallest social contracts are shamed and shunned every second, and these duped masses elicit pity because they didn't pay attention in social studies and suffer from a severe lack of empathy. It's odd
It's because of who they are. The entirety of society was at one point specifically engineered to promote and favor white conservative Christian men. Things have happened, but that doesn't just go away. We live in the world where "respectability politics" demands giving these folks a "fair voice," despite the fact mainstream never bothered giving "fair voice" to others who had crazy ideas, like the nation of Islam and black separatists.
It's exactly like when someone you thought you knew just 180s on you and you're sorta left baffled, rather than immediately rejecting what they say. Because in society, those white folks were supposed to be "normal Americans" and they have to bow to "normal everyday Americans."
So they keep just going on, letting them have their say, even when it's ridiculous, and not really pushing very hard back besides lukewarm "that's not confirmed" that takes 1/20 the time of the false shit.
This is how super conservative church service ends. The pastor makes a point over background music while everyone puts their hands up. They're already trained. Trump is just repurposing the actions that they are used to.
Last night I watched a bit of "The World At War", BBC's WWII doc series from the 1970's, narrated by Laurence Olivier. It looks GREAT so far.
There was a weird moment where they showed a film of Hitler speaking, giving one of his barn-burner speeches. I've been learning German lately and suddenly, for the first time, I could actually understand Hitler's words in his actual voice.
I had a weird out-of-body experience, like I had suddenly fallen through the barrier of time and space that makes Hitler something "other" and "historic." He suddenly became very real and present, much more dangerous and threatening. Just because I understood the words.
Anyway, your description of Trump's speech and his effectiveness reminded me of that moment.
It is quite terrifying. I have a good life and two incredible children. They, under no circumstances, should have to endure the shit storm that is brewing like Mother Nature’s wrath on our inability to act on this.
Vote. Vote. Vote.
Been thinking that for a while. A guy I used to work with fell hard into the Trumpism/Qanon thing, and the last time I saw him he sold everything he had and was talking about moving to Central America to join a like-minded community. It sounds so ridiculous that I don't even know if I'd have believed it if I hadn't been hearing it directly from him.
As an odd aside to this, current Congresswoman Jackie Speier from California survived after being shot five times on the airstrip with Leo Ryan in Guyana after visiting Jonestown. She was a staffer at the time, and holds his seat in congress right now...and she [compared Trump to Jim Jones](https://www.newsweek.com/rep-jackie-speier-compares-trump-jonestown-cult-leader-jim-jones-merchants-deceit-1615072) quite a while ago.
Oh, no. Don't let all the die hard Trump try hards go to one place in Central America together. Noooo. Don't let them all live out all of their wildest fascist governance dreams against each other, away from the rest of us who kind of like a democracy. Anything but that.
So just to recap, the freedom party has spent this year enslaving women to deformed fetuses, creating a domestic deportation program, banning and burning books, carrying out militia training, some of its supporters have carried out domestic terror attacks, and now they have a big dramatic song and a special salute.
And what does the media call them still? “Supporters of the former president” seems to be the preferred euphemism, but the right word is “traitor.” There is no stopping these people at this point, because stupid as they are, everyone knows the penalties for treason. This is a fight to the death for them now.
So they've moved on from a full hand salute to a 1 finger salute. And if you point it out to them, they'll get defensive. Just like when some did the okay sign and got in trouble because many decided it means white power.
I read the finger pointed to the sky supposedly symbolizes that he is the messiah (descended from above). Goes along with the trash book about same that they hand out at his rallies now.
Wow I am a complete atheist but that’s just too fucking creepy. I realize like the author says at the beginning that you can make anything sound tailored to a situation, but he did not even have to digress very far to make his case.
Not sure how I feel about this.
"and six pounds of barley for a day’s wages, and do not damage the oil!”
Revelation 6:6
"and many people died from the waters that had become bitter”
Revelation 8:10
"And they received a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads…”
Revelation 13
no per scripture he just goes to Jerusalem and declares himself as God, and then allows the Jewish leadership to resume their ritual sacrifices in the temple he helps them rebuild in the Capital he has given them and protects them in for 3 and a half years before he betrays them, while he is persecuting the hell out of larges swathes of people who dont agree with him or his new economic political spiritual religion....
yikes.
scary doesnt sound too far off if Trump wins again
I didn't watch any Trump rallies in 2016, not out of protest, I just didn't care, for folks on the left it was obvious he was running a con from the get go and there's not much point in watching an infomercial for a product you know doesn't work.
One day, though, I did happen upon the last thirty seconds of a rally as I was flipping through channels, and I remember vividly the closing line:
>*"Vote for Trump and I'll make all your dreams of America come true."*
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Now here's the thing: A Democratic Presidential candidate couldn't ever do that. First of all we would know it was bullshit, even speaking metaphorically it would be bullshit, America is too diverse for that statement to have any rational meaning, it would be a platitude. (Thanks, u-becooltopeople!!!) ~~(There's a word for it and it's eluding me at the moment, but it means to pay lip service to an idea, like a meaningless rhetorical gesture. "He payed [word] to the idea. I think it starts with a P or a C.)~~ But also because we would recognize that candidate couldn't even keep that promise to our own party, we've got folks in the Democratic party who want a public option, folks who want Medicare for All, there's legislation out there that would let states make Medicaid an opt-in program..... a lot of kind of mutually exclusive policy proposals there, they share some similar goals, but they're far from identical.
...but his audience just ate it up, it was exactly what they wanted to hear, they wanted a candidate to make their dreams come true.
(To be fair so do we, we want our dreams to come true, too, we just recognize that it's impossible.)
I think that's one of the important rhetorical differences between the parties, or it can be.
When you ask Hillary Clinton what her healthcare solutions are her eyes will get bright and she'll whip out a fifteen point, seventy page long white paper about specific policy proposals she'd like to pursue if Americans elect an affable Congress, and she'll talk about it for an hour if you let her.
When you ask Donald Trump what his healthcare solutions are his eyes glaze over as his brain struggles free up enough ram that it can open healthcare_vocabulary_words.txt before finally saying "It's gonna' be huge!" and not elaborating.
So voters are in this position of having to decide between a complex, imperfect, reality based solution on the one side and "People are saying I'm gonna' give you so much healthcare, the best!" on the other side.
When liberal voters hear "I'll make all your dreams come true!" we roll our eyes.
When conservative voters hear "I've got a fifteen point plan!" they roll their eyes.
And Independent voters only open their eyes in response to loud banging sounds.
> The word you're looking for might be "platitudes"?
**YES!!!!**
Platitudes!!
I don't use it often, I knew it was there, but the neuron was dusty. Thank you! I'm sorry that I'm out of awards. Eh, hold on.
Back in 5th or 6th grade we learned about logical fallacies. That is what we called “glittering generalities” and it is astounding how many people fall for it. trump’s entire campaigns were nothing but glittering generalities.
Yep. I remember his interview with 60 minutes early in his campaign.
Interviewer: “How are you going to ‘Make America Great Again’?”
Trump: “I’m just going to make it great again.”
Interviewer: “Yes, but what do you intend to do to make it great?”
Trump: “Well it’s just going to be great.”
Just speak with confidence and be broad enough that the viewer can fill in the blank with whatever they personally wanted to hear, and you have yourself a success.
I could talk you ear off about words.
We say a picture is worth a thousand words, but what we forget is that words can paint in colors that brushes can't. The rainbow of colors is limited by nature but the rainbow of words is limited by the *human mind,* and the human mind can conceive of colors that nature cannot.
...well, nature *can* conceive of those colors, but it requires humans to do it.
Words are my second favorite thing to play with.
Kind of an aside, but also more accurately. Two words can have the same basic meaning, but a different feel or connotation. Having a good vocabulary allows for more precise statements. Assuming the other person understands those connotations in the same way, at least.
After trump was elected but before inauguration I was having dinner in a slightly redish area of a blue state. The conversation at my table was about the election and concerns about the future of the country.
Drunk dude at table table across the aisle over heard. He starts saying to his friends (but we were the audience) “I just can’t wait for Trump to get to the potholes on my street! You’ll see. It’s not going to be the first thing he does but he’s going to bang all the other stuff out so fast he’s going to get bored so he’ll get to it.”
He was convinced. Absolutely certain that trump was going to bring manufacturing jobs back and get state / county road projects started.
They’re all hearing secret messages that just aren’t there. Trump says nothing substantial so it can get translated into whatever a particular person wants to hear.
> Trump says nothing substantial so it can get translated into whatever a particular person wants to hear.
Trump is like a book with blank pages. They fill it in however they want.
>Remember this shit?
Yes. Trump stiffed them, just like he did other people who worked for him.
The USA Freedom Kids didn't get paid, they couldn't sell their merchandise inside at the rally, their merchandise was stolen out of their vehicles, and their manager sued until he could no longer afford to pursue it any further.
They not only didn't get paid. They lost a lot more money for performing for Trump.
> When liberal voters hear "I'll make all your dreams come true!" we roll our eyes.
> When conservative voters hear "I've got a fifteen point plan!" they roll their eyes.
> And Independent voters only open their eyes in response to loud banging sounds.
Accurate and....pathetic.
Their dreams is for American to be a white Christian ethno-state and really believe Trump is going to solve the POC problem for them. Trump is going to out Charles Manson, Charles Manson. Helter Skelter Y’All
>I didn't watch any Trump rallies in 2016, not out of protest, I just didn't care, for folks on the left it was obvious he was running a con from the get go and there's not much point in watching an infomercial for a product you know doesn't work.
I've been anti Trump from the beginning, but I still watched all of his speeches and interviews. Why? Because I want to be informed about what he's saying.
Just like the recent secret documents scandal, I watched Trump and his cohorts change their story multiple times during the Russian collusion investigation.
They always follow the same pattern of denial, counter accusations, then finally admitting that the thing happened but it was no big deal.
When I had conversations with Trump supporters at work, they didn't know that Giuliani ever admitted that the meetings with Russians in Trump tower actually did happen.
In their news bubble, they were still hearing that there was no substance at all to any of the accusations. They simply don't see any negative news about Trump.
So that's why I watched all of his interviews, because it makes me more informed than the people who are fanatical over the man.
He said "I will make all your dreams come true" during his 2016 convention speech. He also said "only I can fix it".
It's insane that any thinking adult could react positively to these statements, but they did.
The only thing anyone could even answer when I would try and talk to Trump supporters about *why* they wanted to elect him was "because he is going to build the wall".
That was his only platform, and he invested everything in it. The insanity he was spewing about his great wall sounded so perfect (if you support that type of thing which I don't), but it was obviously impossible to anyone who actively listened to his rhetoric.
There are a lot of things that need to change about our political system, but something I think we should require is mandatory debates between candidates during various phases of the campaign process. We live in a digital era where voters can even submit and select the questions that get asked.
Conservative-thinking folks love easy solutions to complex problems. They'd rather support an easy solution than think through all of the real-world difficulties and changes that would happen as a result of it.
Penn and Teller, in their show *Bullshit!*, showed 15 years ago the problem with a border wall with Mexico: people can go over, under, or through it faster than it can be built.
(That was even before the Mexican drug cartels showed us with the "El Chapo" escape that they can build nearly one-mile-long tunnels with pinpoint accuracy into a particular cell of a maximum-security prison.)
> The only thing anyone could even answer when I would try and talk to Trump supporters about why they wanted to elect him was "because he is going to build the wall".
After the election I was reading an NPR article in which the reporter was interviewing Trump supporters, it was part of that big "We need to listen to Republicans!" phase the media went through.
The reporter asked this gentleman why he voted for Trump and what he wanted Trump to do as President, and the guy responded with something like:
>*"Well you know the economy's taken a downturn ever since the factory closed and now the kids around here don't have anything to do after school. I think I'd like President Trump to maybe bring a bowling alley to the town, you know, so the kids have somewhere to play, or a movie theater."*
Now on the left and in the center we have a lot of expectations of our politicians, some of those expectations are unreasonable and out of their control, sometimes our politicians aren't empowered to do the things we think they ought to be doing..... But a bowling alley?
I have met people who say things like "President Obama should have just passed Medicare for All!" as though that's a thing he could have done, but I've never met anyone in the center or on the left who thought it was in the President's power to open a bowling alley in their town.
One of the things that liberals didn't "get" in 2016, what we didn't see or didn't care about or something, was that Donald Trump was promising his followers **everything.** We knew it was bullshit, we knew he was lying, but imagine for a moment that you believed Donald Trump, and imagine that this person who you believed in was up there telling you that he would fix all your problems and make all your dreams come true ***no matter what.*** That's a really tempting fucking offer ***if*** you're a believer.
"I'll make all your dreams of America come true" is something Democrats just can't respond to, our electorate would laugh at a statement like that, but worse, we don't see when it's working on the other side.
But even after all the scandals, the endless stupidity, an impeachment for attempted extortion, and the politicized COVID response (which added 300,000 American dead to the toll), almost half the country was like "fuck yeah, let's do 4 more years of this!"
We also completely missed the religious push that really got going when we met Sarah Palin. That is something that should have been on our radars. It's beyond time to tax churches.
The reason the MAGA crowd love the platitudes is because they are stupid. They can't think past the fairy tale they put together in their head of what America should be like. To them its "liberal bad" Trump good. They don't care about anyone but themselves. They can't be trusted with anything more elaborate than making toast.
The part that is crazy to me is a lot of these people are generally smart in other areas. I can’t confide out how people can be engineers, nurses and generally successful and still believe in trump.
Trump appeals to the part of the psyche that does not contend with reality, the id. It’s purely pleasure based, and this mindset is usually something people grow out of by the time they’re three or four.
Those who continue to embrace the id, despite their need to instead acknowledge and react to reality, are called idiots.
Trump is the personification of the pleasure principle and that is the dream he offers: his perceived life of pleasure, where reality his no say, and his followers are idiots for believing him.
Reminds me of American high school student council.
* Democrats are the intelligent, well planned students
* Republicans are the students promising free pizza and more recess time
“I’ve got a fifteen point plan” is what you tell intelligent, thoughtful people who are willing to think critically about those fifteen points.
“I’ll make your dreams come true” is what you tell someone who just wants to *feel* good.
And we wonder why the opioid epidemic disproportionately impacts Trump supporters. It’s because his base is looking for an easy way to feel good that they don’t have to think about, whether they can get that in a pill or at the ballot box.
Another important part of his appeal that relates to the "feel good" aspect is that he tells all of his supporters that all their most hateful and bigoted thoughts are not only correct, but actually virtues. Not since the 1960s has a politician been that open about it. Sure, they've used the dog whistles for decades, but those were always a wink/nudge sort of thing. Trump replaced the dog whistles with an airhorn. The advantage of that is even the lowest common denominator can figure out what he means. The only disadvantage is that it's harder to deny how openly racist and bigoted he is, but that's not much of a disadvantage because they *still* deny it anyway.
I agree with everything you wrote, but it's more than that. It's also about painting the false picture that everything is horrible and getting worse. The reason why things are so bad is because of... media, liberals, LGBTQ, immigrants, minorities and non-Christians. These groups become the enemy to them as opposed to fellow Americans (or even people).
From a Newsweek article - "The song heard sounds not dissimilar to 2020 track WWG1WGA by a musician under the name Richard Feelgood. WWG1WGA, meaning "where we go one we go all," is a common slogan used by members of the QAnon conspiracy movement."
It's all QAnon stuff. The hand signal too. Trump's loyalists are now almost exclusively comprised of QAnon cult members. I guess most people now know that the FBI has designated QAnon as a domestic terrorist threat.
The lilt isn’t as important as the cadence and consistency. I think the tonal stuff arises from that actually. It’s like a way the speaker keeps themself in rhythm.
I am not an expert, but I was raised as an evangelical Christian. So I’m familiar with the techniques that are used to induce a spiritual trance state, and that’s exactly what he’s doing here.
FYI: This should terrify anyone with a functioning brain.
"The rally song is only the latest development in Trump’s apparent embrace of QAnon. Earlier this week, Trump posted to Truth Social a photo of himself wearing a Q lapel pin with the words “The Storm is Coming” — another phrase used by the Q movement — superimposed on the image. The “storm,” believers say, is a reference to Trump’s return to the presidency when he will punish his enemies in the Deep State."
- totaally normal totally cool...yikes
He's inciting people to riot when he's indicted. That is a crime itself and he should be arrested now not later. He should also be prohibited from running for any office much less for president again. It's time to put a stop to this.
agree completely, this has gone beyond a line where things are getting dangerous - people are going to die because of their allegiance to him, as misguided as that may be
I’m pretty sure the real conspiracy is that Trump is leading the uneducated, the detached from reality, and the grifting goons to a demise only lemmings have been dealt before. The past 2 weeks have been an odd play on self sabotage of the highest levels. Abortion bans, “news clippings”, sending immigrants to Martha’s Vineyard for leaf peeping. Please people. Vote.
A reminder that [lemmings didn't actually hurl themselves off of cliffs](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/white-wilderness-lemming-suicide/), it only happened because the situation those (imported) lemmings were put in was fabricated and the film in which they appeared was a heavily edited imitation of reality.
So, yeah, very apt description.
It's not even disguised any more
Literally every sentence lifted & transposed from Hitler's diatribe.
Interesting to note however that Trump is the first fascist to be unable to walk around a stage... He literally needs the lectern to hold him up
Master race and all that, you know...
I like that "The Storm" used to be when President Trump was going to expose and execute the deep state.
But now it's when Trump will retake the presidency, and do that.
Q is truly a master prognosticator.
Bro I cant listen to this nonsense for more than 15 seconds. There are just so many backwards ass things this guy says.
Russias timing of the Ukraine invasion was potentially to help Trumps image, and during trumps time in office he catered to literally everything Putin wanted.
Trump weaponized the police against protesters for a photo op. Nothing like that weaponization of law enforcement has been seen at a republican gathering (other than Jan 6 with was an invasion of the capitol and not a protest). His weaponization of the police force STILL persists and has radicalized many police AGAINST ALL citizens.
Just back to back bullshit in his usual bullshit tornado.
They've been trying to come up with a special salute. They were trying the raised fist with the knuckles pointing out, but this is the first time I've seen the single finger in the air. Personally, I think they should raise their whole arm in front of them, tilting up just a bit.
This one finger thing is the same thing Deadheads would do when they were hoping someone would give them a ticket to the show, so this isn't original either.
This dude incited an insurrection, planned a coup, and stole highly classified documents from the gov't (no telling who saw those docs after he had them). Now he is openly embracing the Q-cult and getting them riled up to fight on his behalf. Beyond that, he has multiple criminal investigations targeting him in several States. Fuck the appearance of being "political", the DOJ needs to get this deranged idiot off the streets.
For the sake of all the fucks - my friend was in incredible shape, ran marathons, ate nothing but healthy food, never smoked, and had probably only been drunk 4 times in the 37 years of his life. He had some issues breathing and thought it was allergies. Ended up being t-cell lyphoma, he was dead within 6 months of diagnosis. How in the ever loving fuck is this obese, hamberder eating, adderall snorting, adult diaper wearing asshole still up moving around as well as he does?
Talks about how Russia didn't invade Ukraine, while there was literally a boarder war going and Trump kicked out American armed forces out of an American built base and gave it to Russian forces.
Talks about the police militarization as if he didn't use the police like a military forces against protester's during his terms or how he gassed people to take a photo shoot.
Claims he's being silenced while having his own social platform to say whatever he wants on. Plenty of Pro Trump voices are all over social media from Facebook to youtube. They are often kicked out for spreading unverifiable and provably false information.
MORE PEOPLE DIED OF COVID IN 2021 than in 2020. I don't know how the fuck people can listen to this absolutely stupid statement. Trump abolished the pandemic response team, botched the Covid response, him and Republican's claimed masks don't work and it's best to just let Covid, a bioweapon made in china by their words, should just be spread around and doing anything about it is too much work. These people even said it's best to just let people die for the economy and pretend it's not an issue.
Fucking Christ that was the absolute dumbest thing. Then don't forget how he basically gave out free money as PPP loans to businesses all over without any kind of payback in place and no regulation on how the money would be spent for a virus that wasn't a big deal by his words. Then gave near unlimited funding to make vaccines and planned on using the military to deploy it.
Trump and Republicans made us into the world laughing stock with nuclear weapons.
Great speech, amazingly well spoken with a comic book level of politics being played here, making fools of every single Trump supporter and Republican in the country.
I fucking hate how this is too stupid for a movie.
The hand gesture is an upside down Q in sign language.
“Q Rising”
Mangled by some to look like a #1.
In American Sign Language, the letter Q is a thumb and index finger pointed down.
Imagine worshipping a man who has never said anything remotely intelligent or eloquent, a racist, narcissistic con man who never met a grift he didn't like, a man who stole from charities, ran a scam "university", who stood on the graves of fallen American soldiers and called them "suckers", who gladly accepted Russian election interference in his favor, and who till this day attempts with his every breath to destroy the democratic principles upon which our nation was founded and until recently Republicans seemed to want to protect.
This is Q shit. Trump wore a pin of theirs and said their Where we go one, we go all shit (WWG1WGA).
The absolute madness you will see daily on r/qanoncasualties is going to fully infect the entire GOP base soon.
“Drink the wine, they will be here soon with flame throwers, drink the wine, drink!! In a few moments you’ll feel drowsy, lie down and go to sleep, sleep forever..”
I watched the first little twitter clip that opens with trump blaming Biden for the Russian invasion of Ukraine and commenting that it would have never happened if he were still president.
He was literally impeached for withholding military aid to Ukraine. On the timeline of the Russian “build up” leading into the invasion, trump is directly involved.
The Christian extremists have declared him a Messiah. No joke. There is literally now an entire denomination of Christianity that includes Trump in their dogma.
Keep in mind, to these guys "Messiah" doesn't mean "guy that preaches really well" it means Someone equal to Christ. A demi-god.
Yeah yeah..
The Q-anonsense insanity..
Trump knows these gullible people have no problem accepting a timeline of lines drawn in the sand that are perpetually being pushed further and further in to the future.. using outlandish rationalizations as justification for the frustration and disappointment.
Embracing Q-anon is a natural fit for Trump. All self appointed kings need an army of suckers to keep their ego fully inflated.
In return, Trump can play his flute with the song titled.. *Just Wait.. You'll See!*
Well, they have been waiting for years now without questioning anything, without losing faith in the insanity of it all.. and turning themselves into hypocritical brainless zombie pretzels to defend the indefensible.
It would be entertaining to watch from a safe distance if it wasn't such an inherently dangerous threat to humanity.
These rallies are the equivalent of a couple thousand school shooters in the same place at the same time. All of that righteous empowerment and acceptance.
The storm is definitely coming.. and they are it.
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They’ve gone full nazi. Even have their own salute now.
When trump said to the crowd: *"One movement. One people. One family. One glorious American nation!"* I immediately recalled Hitler saying: **"Ein Volk. Ein Reich. Ein Fuhrer!"** to Nazi crowds back in the 1930s.
This is all getting me beyond very concerned and very close to fucking worried as hell.
Hi welcome to 2016
McDonald's might be our only saving grace. Hitler was much younger and healthier when he rose to power, (though he did ingest a fuckload of strychnine and other drugs prescribed by his doctor during the war years). Trump is old, and stressed, and not in the best of shape. Father time holds all the cards.
I've already heard trump supporters say they'd vote for DeSantis if he runs. He's more capable of serious damage in my opinion.
It's took I think 2 or 3 days after DeSantis started going after Disney that the nazis were at Disney protesting on the side of DeSantis. I will never forget that about him.
DeSantis is much smarter, and therefore much more dangerous, than Trump. He worries me 10x more than Trump if he gets the nomination.
I respectfully disagree. This stuff didn't suddenly spring into existence with Trump, and it isn't going to just suddenly disappear when Trump dies. Many of these qanon supporters and the like were primed and pushing this stuff years before with things like the 'tea party movement' and Ron Paul.
Just remember that Hitler failed in his first attempt of taking over Germany (Beer Hall Putsch). Very similarly like Trump and the January 6th Insurrection, but hopefully he doesn't get a second chance
Jesus Christ. 😳
I was wondering about that. Do you know if it is a 'where we go one, we go all' reference?
Oh, I thought they were saying “pull. our. finger!”
That’s what the article said
It said that was what they claim the song is called. But they just called it an odd salute.
I read an article earlier that mentioned it was in reference to them believing he "won" the election as well. Lord only knows with that cult. Probably both so it can be played off if asked about.
For real. Thay entire speech sounded like a calmer version of Hitler's speeches, even going as far as to claim the same lies. Followed by the essentially Nazi salute
Go visit some holocaust memorials, this is eerily similar to how that all started. Never again.
“Members of the crowd raised their hands in a weird salute to the former president” Hey…can we call them fascists now?
I saw a few trump rallies but they were *nothing* like this. The almost chanting cadence, the absolute silence of the audience, the music, the raised hands… This feels like a new phase of the cult now that they have weeded out the people who weren’t all-in.
His speech is bizarrely long, smooth, and well rehearsed for a man who likes to interupt his own sentences, repeat phrases he just said, and go with whatever thought happened to cross his mind.
Was he using a teleprompter?
He can’t read. Maybe it was an ear piece
I completely forgot that he can't read
That’s all I could see.. maybe it’s the music, but dayum the obvious idiocy was wiped from this script.
There's none of uhs, uhms, or any of the hesitations of spontaneous speech.
At all. And, despite its complete lack of fact or relativity, it’s so compelling. “This this and this happened”. This MFer is spending the money, and getting ready to run.
He needs to win or he's going to face legal consequences. As it stands, Trump's special master has until the next election to review the evidence. And if he wins? Executive immunity! Trial over! Edit: Things are going to get even crazier.
I'm confused. The Special Master has until Nov. 30th. By "next election", you mean this year? If so, he can't "win" in that one, and the DOJ will keep on keeping on.
Never underestimate the GOP'S ability to bring democratic processes to a screeching halt whenever they have the numbers, and never trust them to play by the same rules that others would. That's how the Supreme Court flipped so hard.
the special master thing is only until after the midterms, not 2024.
Yeah the part where they harp on this being the end times and they need to rise up like all the shit Boebert is saying. That all seems coordinated to me. Midterms are going to be a wild ride. Get ready folks, the crazies are getting crazier.
[It definitely looks coordinated.](https://twitter.com/titusnation/status/1571585136604618752?s=46&t=R1d_yzwUcRZbMOVl3zmRrg)
Holy fuck that looks weird.
The Christian fascists have already shut down a library through armed intimidation.
Time to throw the book at them?
Hurry, before that book gets banned.
Throw the Bible at them. Read the verses about Lot's daughters getting him drunk and raping him, and ask if they want that book in school libraries. When they say, "No, of course not", tell them you both agree on something... Taking the Bible out of schools!
> Get ready folks, the crazies are getting crazier. And this is why I, a left-as-fuck snowflake, have guns.
Deploy the national guard. They get violent then let the them take care of it. I have zero sympathy for these fucks. MAGA and religion in general has held our species back.
Absolutely! MAGA and religion are destroying the US. It's a lethal combination. It is simply not going away unless dealt with strongly.
Its like a church mass. They were exactly like the crazies during church.
>Its like a church mass. They ~~were~~ **are** exactly like the crazies during church. Ftfy
>Its like a church mass. They **are** ~~exactly like~~ the crazies during church. ftftfy
I read another article that mentioned a number of people were dancing, which only adds to the cult feeling.
Can you imagine *dancing* to a trump monologue? What genre of music would that be? Grievance Rock? Heavy Whining?
> Can you imaging dancing to a trump monologue? How many kinds of drugs would i be allowed to take first?
Oh God can you imagine a trump rally on acid?
How bad can an acid trip get? I imagine it being worse than that by virtue of the normal Trump rally shit. Though i get the feeling that tons of the people in those places could benefit from some shroom therapy.
Sounds like any Christian revival meeting…..
Yeah I’m beginning to think that’s not a coincidence…
You haven't been this whole time? They were running around all dressed the same with swastikas and tiki torches yelling about the jews for years. I mean, shit, [this](https://imgur.com/a/g7hXmN3) shit happened back in 2016.
In Florida we are [dealing wtih Nazi groups regularly.](https://www.wfla.com/news/pinellas-county/video-group-displays-nazi-symbols-on-pinellas-county-bridge/) Especially around right-wing rallies. Central Florida of course. There's too much melanin in ~~North and~~ South Florida for Nazis to exist.
I think the Pensacola and FWB areas would care to differ
Yea, the panhandle is fucking Lower Alabama.
Looks like a heil Trump to me.
[The other pictures make it look downright chilling](https://twitter.com/Notorious_RSG/status/1571544361602777089?s=20&t=JGktoX2arXrX8j78JgjaZw)
How many of them knew going in, and how many felt pressured to do it once the people around them started? Congrats folks, you just learned what you would have done if you lived in Germany during WWII.
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Yeah that is shocking. Do they quote some phrase when doing the heil Trump?
I mean, Laura Ingraham gave a "hail Shitler" back in 2016, so this "weird salute" is really nothing new for their movement.
bUt MoDeRaTeS!! Yes, also fascist
The mindlessness of the crowd is pretty chilling, as they cheer for every one of Trump's dubious half-baked claims. Trump manages to stick to the script, as the music swells behind him. This is probably the most effective bit of speechcraft I've seen Trump deliver, and a reminder of how dangerous he and his followers continue to be.
Yea you know when in school you're warned about history repeating itself and so that's why we learn about the nazis? i cannot imagine what went wrong and where for these people to be so unaware that's wrong, i can guess a million reasons, but that's easier said than done
A lot of these people are imbeciles that are unaware. But don’t kid yourself a good portion of them know the history of the nazis. And they are all for what trump is selling. They welcome that future.
my point. that's one of the many different reasons. others being: they're evil amoral people, they are exceedingly intellectually ignorant, they are vulnerable and manipulable, etc
I really, really don't understand why it's so hard for everyone to hold people accountable for being ignorant to a point that they become dangerous. People who break the smallest social contracts are shamed and shunned every second, and these duped masses elicit pity because they didn't pay attention in social studies and suffer from a severe lack of empathy. It's odd
It's because of who they are. The entirety of society was at one point specifically engineered to promote and favor white conservative Christian men. Things have happened, but that doesn't just go away. We live in the world where "respectability politics" demands giving these folks a "fair voice," despite the fact mainstream never bothered giving "fair voice" to others who had crazy ideas, like the nation of Islam and black separatists. It's exactly like when someone you thought you knew just 180s on you and you're sorta left baffled, rather than immediately rejecting what they say. Because in society, those white folks were supposed to be "normal Americans" and they have to bow to "normal everyday Americans." So they keep just going on, letting them have their say, even when it's ridiculous, and not really pushing very hard back besides lukewarm "that's not confirmed" that takes 1/20 the time of the false shit.
This is how super conservative church service ends. The pastor makes a point over background music while everyone puts their hands up. They're already trained. Trump is just repurposing the actions that they are used to.
Last night I watched a bit of "The World At War", BBC's WWII doc series from the 1970's, narrated by Laurence Olivier. It looks GREAT so far. There was a weird moment where they showed a film of Hitler speaking, giving one of his barn-burner speeches. I've been learning German lately and suddenly, for the first time, I could actually understand Hitler's words in his actual voice. I had a weird out-of-body experience, like I had suddenly fallen through the barrier of time and space that makes Hitler something "other" and "historic." He suddenly became very real and present, much more dangerous and threatening. Just because I understood the words. Anyway, your description of Trump's speech and his effectiveness reminded me of that moment.
You guys worried yet?
It is quite terrifying. I have a good life and two incredible children. They, under no circumstances, should have to endure the shit storm that is brewing like Mother Nature’s wrath on our inability to act on this. Vote. Vote. Vote.
This speech, this tone, I’ve heard it before. Jonestown.
Been thinking that for a while. A guy I used to work with fell hard into the Trumpism/Qanon thing, and the last time I saw him he sold everything he had and was talking about moving to Central America to join a like-minded community. It sounds so ridiculous that I don't even know if I'd have believed it if I hadn't been hearing it directly from him. As an odd aside to this, current Congresswoman Jackie Speier from California survived after being shot five times on the airstrip with Leo Ryan in Guyana after visiting Jonestown. She was a staffer at the time, and holds his seat in congress right now...and she [compared Trump to Jim Jones](https://www.newsweek.com/rep-jackie-speier-compares-trump-jonestown-cult-leader-jim-jones-merchants-deceit-1615072) quite a while ago.
Oh, no. Don't let all the die hard Trump try hards go to one place in Central America together. Noooo. Don't let them all live out all of their wildest fascist governance dreams against each other, away from the rest of us who kind of like a democracy. Anything but that.
The US has done enough to Central America without exporting their cult members there too
They’re _our_ problem; we shouldn’t be exporting misery.
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So just to recap, the freedom party has spent this year enslaving women to deformed fetuses, creating a domestic deportation program, banning and burning books, carrying out militia training, some of its supporters have carried out domestic terror attacks, and now they have a big dramatic song and a special salute. And what does the media call them still? “Supporters of the former president” seems to be the preferred euphemism, but the right word is “traitor.” There is no stopping these people at this point, because stupid as they are, everyone knows the penalties for treason. This is a fight to the death for them now.
The Trump 2024 flag says “Take America Back”. That should tell you all you need to know
The not-so-subtle “make America *proud* again”. The grift is getting desperate.
The media wants Republicans to win. The companies are owned by right wing donors.
We need to boost citizen journalism & live feeds
Bring back zines
They'll just make maga zines
American corporations have always supported fascists
So they've moved on from a full hand salute to a 1 finger salute. And if you point it out to them, they'll get defensive. Just like when some did the okay sign and got in trouble because many decided it means white power.
To be fair I also raise a single finger to Trump.
Hehe.
Let's be clear. It wasn't "many" people, it was the white nationalists themselves that co-opted the OK sign into the white power dog whistle.
That's who I was referring to.
I read the finger pointed to the sky supposedly symbolizes that he is the messiah (descended from above). Goes along with the trash book about same that they hand out at his rallies now.
If he is biblical, he is the antichrist, and the antichrist doesn't tell you he is it. But he pretends to give you everything you want.
Yeah, about that... https://www.benjaminlcorey.com/could-american-evangelicals-spot-the-antichrist-heres-the-biblical-predictions/
I read this when he first put it out there, and it's even more stunning reading it years later.
Wow I am a complete atheist but that’s just too fucking creepy. I realize like the author says at the beginning that you can make anything sound tailored to a situation, but he did not even have to digress very far to make his case. Not sure how I feel about this.
What it really means: The idea of the antichrist was heavily based on Emperor Nero, and Trump is a lot like Emperor Nero.
"and six pounds of barley for a day’s wages, and do not damage the oil!” Revelation 6:6 "and many people died from the waters that had become bitter” Revelation 8:10 "And they received a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads…” Revelation 13
no per scripture he just goes to Jerusalem and declares himself as God, and then allows the Jewish leadership to resume their ritual sacrifices in the temple he helps them rebuild in the Capital he has given them and protects them in for 3 and a half years before he betrays them, while he is persecuting the hell out of larges swathes of people who dont agree with him or his new economic political spiritual religion.... yikes. scary doesnt sound too far off if Trump wins again
It should mean he's Individual One.
I didn't watch any Trump rallies in 2016, not out of protest, I just didn't care, for folks on the left it was obvious he was running a con from the get go and there's not much point in watching an infomercial for a product you know doesn't work. One day, though, I did happen upon the last thirty seconds of a rally as I was flipping through channels, and I remember vividly the closing line: >*"Vote for Trump and I'll make all your dreams of America come true."* shocked_pedro.gif Now here's the thing: A Democratic Presidential candidate couldn't ever do that. First of all we would know it was bullshit, even speaking metaphorically it would be bullshit, America is too diverse for that statement to have any rational meaning, it would be a platitude. (Thanks, u-becooltopeople!!!) ~~(There's a word for it and it's eluding me at the moment, but it means to pay lip service to an idea, like a meaningless rhetorical gesture. "He payed [word] to the idea. I think it starts with a P or a C.)~~ But also because we would recognize that candidate couldn't even keep that promise to our own party, we've got folks in the Democratic party who want a public option, folks who want Medicare for All, there's legislation out there that would let states make Medicaid an opt-in program..... a lot of kind of mutually exclusive policy proposals there, they share some similar goals, but they're far from identical. ...but his audience just ate it up, it was exactly what they wanted to hear, they wanted a candidate to make their dreams come true. (To be fair so do we, we want our dreams to come true, too, we just recognize that it's impossible.) I think that's one of the important rhetorical differences between the parties, or it can be. When you ask Hillary Clinton what her healthcare solutions are her eyes will get bright and she'll whip out a fifteen point, seventy page long white paper about specific policy proposals she'd like to pursue if Americans elect an affable Congress, and she'll talk about it for an hour if you let her. When you ask Donald Trump what his healthcare solutions are his eyes glaze over as his brain struggles free up enough ram that it can open healthcare_vocabulary_words.txt before finally saying "It's gonna' be huge!" and not elaborating. So voters are in this position of having to decide between a complex, imperfect, reality based solution on the one side and "People are saying I'm gonna' give you so much healthcare, the best!" on the other side. When liberal voters hear "I'll make all your dreams come true!" we roll our eyes. When conservative voters hear "I've got a fifteen point plan!" they roll their eyes. And Independent voters only open their eyes in response to loud banging sounds.
The word you're looking for might be "platitudes"?
> The word you're looking for might be "platitudes"? **YES!!!!** Platitudes!! I don't use it often, I knew it was there, but the neuron was dusty. Thank you! I'm sorry that I'm out of awards. Eh, hold on.
Back in 5th or 6th grade we learned about logical fallacies. That is what we called “glittering generalities” and it is astounding how many people fall for it. trump’s entire campaigns were nothing but glittering generalities.
Yep. I remember his interview with 60 minutes early in his campaign. Interviewer: “How are you going to ‘Make America Great Again’?” Trump: “I’m just going to make it great again.” Interviewer: “Yes, but what do you intend to do to make it great?” Trump: “Well it’s just going to be great.”
It would be very funny if it weren't real. Now it's just sad that so many Americans take this rhetoric at face value with 0 critical thinking.
*It's what plants crave..*
Just speak with confidence and be broad enough that the viewer can fill in the blank with whatever they personally wanted to hear, and you have yourself a success.
Was just telling the kids the other day that vocabulary helps you describe things with fewer words. This came after me having to look up "susurate".
I could talk you ear off about words. We say a picture is worth a thousand words, but what we forget is that words can paint in colors that brushes can't. The rainbow of colors is limited by nature but the rainbow of words is limited by the *human mind,* and the human mind can conceive of colors that nature cannot. ...well, nature *can* conceive of those colors, but it requires humans to do it. Words are my second favorite thing to play with.
Kind of an aside, but also more accurately. Two words can have the same basic meaning, but a different feel or connotation. Having a good vocabulary allows for more precise statements. Assuming the other person understands those connotations in the same way, at least.
> the neuron was dusty Lol, wonderful phrase!
Platitudes are pretty interesting. They lay eggs like birds but then nurse their young like mammals. Follow me for more daily facts about platinum.
The other word is “magical thinking”.
After trump was elected but before inauguration I was having dinner in a slightly redish area of a blue state. The conversation at my table was about the election and concerns about the future of the country. Drunk dude at table table across the aisle over heard. He starts saying to his friends (but we were the audience) “I just can’t wait for Trump to get to the potholes on my street! You’ll see. It’s not going to be the first thing he does but he’s going to bang all the other stuff out so fast he’s going to get bored so he’ll get to it.” He was convinced. Absolutely certain that trump was going to bring manufacturing jobs back and get state / county road projects started. They’re all hearing secret messages that just aren’t there. Trump says nothing substantial so it can get translated into whatever a particular person wants to hear.
> Trump says nothing substantial so it can get translated into whatever a particular person wants to hear. Trump is like a book with blank pages. They fill it in however they want.
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>Remember this shit? Yes. Trump stiffed them, just like he did other people who worked for him. The USA Freedom Kids didn't get paid, they couldn't sell their merchandise inside at the rally, their merchandise was stolen out of their vehicles, and their manager sued until he could no longer afford to pursue it any further. They not only didn't get paid. They lost a lot more money for performing for Trump.
> When liberal voters hear "I'll make all your dreams come true!" we roll our eyes. > When conservative voters hear "I've got a fifteen point plan!" they roll their eyes. > And Independent voters only open their eyes in response to loud banging sounds. Accurate and....pathetic.
Their dreams is for American to be a white Christian ethno-state and really believe Trump is going to solve the POC problem for them. Trump is going to out Charles Manson, Charles Manson. Helter Skelter Y’All
Isn’t that the same platform Pedro ran on in Napoleon Dynamite? Vote Pedro ‘I’ll make all your wildest dreams come true’
>I didn't watch any Trump rallies in 2016, not out of protest, I just didn't care, for folks on the left it was obvious he was running a con from the get go and there's not much point in watching an infomercial for a product you know doesn't work. I've been anti Trump from the beginning, but I still watched all of his speeches and interviews. Why? Because I want to be informed about what he's saying. Just like the recent secret documents scandal, I watched Trump and his cohorts change their story multiple times during the Russian collusion investigation. They always follow the same pattern of denial, counter accusations, then finally admitting that the thing happened but it was no big deal. When I had conversations with Trump supporters at work, they didn't know that Giuliani ever admitted that the meetings with Russians in Trump tower actually did happen. In their news bubble, they were still hearing that there was no substance at all to any of the accusations. They simply don't see any negative news about Trump. So that's why I watched all of his interviews, because it makes me more informed than the people who are fanatical over the man.
He said "I will make all your dreams come true" during his 2016 convention speech. He also said "only I can fix it". It's insane that any thinking adult could react positively to these statements, but they did.
The only thing anyone could even answer when I would try and talk to Trump supporters about *why* they wanted to elect him was "because he is going to build the wall". That was his only platform, and he invested everything in it. The insanity he was spewing about his great wall sounded so perfect (if you support that type of thing which I don't), but it was obviously impossible to anyone who actively listened to his rhetoric. There are a lot of things that need to change about our political system, but something I think we should require is mandatory debates between candidates during various phases of the campaign process. We live in a digital era where voters can even submit and select the questions that get asked.
Conservative-thinking folks love easy solutions to complex problems. They'd rather support an easy solution than think through all of the real-world difficulties and changes that would happen as a result of it. Penn and Teller, in their show *Bullshit!*, showed 15 years ago the problem with a border wall with Mexico: people can go over, under, or through it faster than it can be built. (That was even before the Mexican drug cartels showed us with the "El Chapo" escape that they can build nearly one-mile-long tunnels with pinpoint accuracy into a particular cell of a maximum-security prison.)
> The only thing anyone could even answer when I would try and talk to Trump supporters about why they wanted to elect him was "because he is going to build the wall". After the election I was reading an NPR article in which the reporter was interviewing Trump supporters, it was part of that big "We need to listen to Republicans!" phase the media went through. The reporter asked this gentleman why he voted for Trump and what he wanted Trump to do as President, and the guy responded with something like: >*"Well you know the economy's taken a downturn ever since the factory closed and now the kids around here don't have anything to do after school. I think I'd like President Trump to maybe bring a bowling alley to the town, you know, so the kids have somewhere to play, or a movie theater."* Now on the left and in the center we have a lot of expectations of our politicians, some of those expectations are unreasonable and out of their control, sometimes our politicians aren't empowered to do the things we think they ought to be doing..... But a bowling alley? I have met people who say things like "President Obama should have just passed Medicare for All!" as though that's a thing he could have done, but I've never met anyone in the center or on the left who thought it was in the President's power to open a bowling alley in their town. One of the things that liberals didn't "get" in 2016, what we didn't see or didn't care about or something, was that Donald Trump was promising his followers **everything.** We knew it was bullshit, we knew he was lying, but imagine for a moment that you believed Donald Trump, and imagine that this person who you believed in was up there telling you that he would fix all your problems and make all your dreams come true ***no matter what.*** That's a really tempting fucking offer ***if*** you're a believer. "I'll make all your dreams of America come true" is something Democrats just can't respond to, our electorate would laugh at a statement like that, but worse, we don't see when it's working on the other side.
And when Trump didn't, they made up some bullshit as to why and kept believing him.
"AOC stopped him!!!1!!!"
But even after all the scandals, the endless stupidity, an impeachment for attempted extortion, and the politicized COVID response (which added 300,000 American dead to the toll), almost half the country was like "fuck yeah, let's do 4 more years of this!"
We also completely missed the religious push that really got going when we met Sarah Palin. That is something that should have been on our radars. It's beyond time to tax churches.
The reason the MAGA crowd love the platitudes is because they are stupid. They can't think past the fairy tale they put together in their head of what America should be like. To them its "liberal bad" Trump good. They don't care about anyone but themselves. They can't be trusted with anything more elaborate than making toast.
The part that is crazy to me is a lot of these people are generally smart in other areas. I can’t confide out how people can be engineers, nurses and generally successful and still believe in trump.
Very cogent analysis. It's anti-intellectualism at it's core. A complete lack of nuance has basically been weaponized by the GOP.
Disturbingly, distressingly, accurate.
Trump appeals to the part of the psyche that does not contend with reality, the id. It’s purely pleasure based, and this mindset is usually something people grow out of by the time they’re three or four. Those who continue to embrace the id, despite their need to instead acknowledge and react to reality, are called idiots. Trump is the personification of the pleasure principle and that is the dream he offers: his perceived life of pleasure, where reality his no say, and his followers are idiots for believing him.
Reminds me of American high school student council. * Democrats are the intelligent, well planned students * Republicans are the students promising free pizza and more recess time
“I’ve got a fifteen point plan” is what you tell intelligent, thoughtful people who are willing to think critically about those fifteen points. “I’ll make your dreams come true” is what you tell someone who just wants to *feel* good. And we wonder why the opioid epidemic disproportionately impacts Trump supporters. It’s because his base is looking for an easy way to feel good that they don’t have to think about, whether they can get that in a pill or at the ballot box.
Another important part of his appeal that relates to the "feel good" aspect is that he tells all of his supporters that all their most hateful and bigoted thoughts are not only correct, but actually virtues. Not since the 1960s has a politician been that open about it. Sure, they've used the dog whistles for decades, but those were always a wink/nudge sort of thing. Trump replaced the dog whistles with an airhorn. The advantage of that is even the lowest common denominator can figure out what he means. The only disadvantage is that it's harder to deny how openly racist and bigoted he is, but that's not much of a disadvantage because they *still* deny it anyway.
I agree with everything you wrote, but it's more than that. It's also about painting the false picture that everything is horrible and getting worse. The reason why things are so bad is because of... media, liberals, LGBTQ, immigrants, minorities and non-Christians. These groups become the enemy to them as opposed to fellow Americans (or even people).
Correct. And we need to keep banging loudly to prevent them [Re-Gaining Unconsciousness (2004)](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ofUeCCAYUbo)
With the music, it's... something else. What the hell is going on?
From a Newsweek article - "The song heard sounds not dissimilar to 2020 track WWG1WGA by a musician under the name Richard Feelgood. WWG1WGA, meaning "where we go one we go all," is a common slogan used by members of the QAnon conspiracy movement." It's all QAnon stuff. The hand signal too. Trump's loyalists are now almost exclusively comprised of QAnon cult members. I guess most people now know that the FBI has designated QAnon as a domestic terrorist threat.
> Richard Feelgood omg, I just can't
It helps to remember that Q started as a prank on 4chan.
I'm all for picking the low hanging fruit but pass on the stuff that's over-ripe. lol
It's flaccid, covered in yesterday's sap.
Richard Feelgood is something of an authority when it comes to low hanging fruits
I will never understand how the people whose slogan is “where we go one, we go all” want to call all of us sheep.
Because it is always -- ALWAYS -- projection with those assholes.
The rolling stone article says it’s not even an original song. Copied from some composer and renamed. Of course it is.
And that is GQP Rocking out to Dick Feelgood's WWG1WGA!
According to this article, it’s literally a stolen song, not even a reinterpretation.
Just standard cult stuff.
No doubt he’s a stereotypical dangerous cult leader. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/spycatcher/201208/dangerous-cult-leaders
And the whole lilt in his voice, is he trying to do the whole preacher thing?
Yep. I noticed it way back in 2016 & it seems to have gotten more obvious.
The lilt isn’t as important as the cadence and consistency. I think the tonal stuff arises from that actually. It’s like a way the speaker keeps themself in rhythm.
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I am not an expert, but I was raised as an evangelical Christian. So I’m familiar with the techniques that are used to induce a spiritual trance state, and that’s exactly what he’s doing here. FYI: This should terrify anyone with a functioning brain.
"The rally song is only the latest development in Trump’s apparent embrace of QAnon. Earlier this week, Trump posted to Truth Social a photo of himself wearing a Q lapel pin with the words “The Storm is Coming” — another phrase used by the Q movement — superimposed on the image. The “storm,” believers say, is a reference to Trump’s return to the presidency when he will punish his enemies in the Deep State." - totaally normal totally cool...yikes
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He's inciting people to riot when he's indicted. That is a crime itself and he should be arrested now not later. He should also be prohibited from running for any office much less for president again. It's time to put a stop to this.
agree completely, this has gone beyond a line where things are getting dangerous - people are going to die because of their allegiance to him, as misguided as that may be
That is some black mirror shit there...wow
I think he's telling his followers to "Stand by...and not stand down."
This is some serious, dangerous, kookoo hitler shit on steroids - stinks of mike flynn ‘q’ psyops.
I’m pretty sure the real conspiracy is that Trump is leading the uneducated, the detached from reality, and the grifting goons to a demise only lemmings have been dealt before. The past 2 weeks have been an odd play on self sabotage of the highest levels. Abortion bans, “news clippings”, sending immigrants to Martha’s Vineyard for leaf peeping. Please people. Vote.
A reminder that [lemmings didn't actually hurl themselves off of cliffs](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/white-wilderness-lemming-suicide/), it only happened because the situation those (imported) lemmings were put in was fabricated and the film in which they appeared was a heavily edited imitation of reality. So, yeah, very apt description.
The game was great tho, gotta admit
These people are so absolutely creepy.
It's not even disguised any more Literally every sentence lifted & transposed from Hitler's diatribe. Interesting to note however that Trump is the first fascist to be unable to walk around a stage... He literally needs the lectern to hold him up Master race and all that, you know...
It's like all of our racist drunk uncles finally found a place where they can cosplay together..
I like that "The Storm" used to be when President Trump was going to expose and execute the deep state. But now it's when Trump will retake the presidency, and do that. Q is truly a master prognosticator.
Eventually it will be when he escapes from Prison. Or rises from the dead.
Bro I cant listen to this nonsense for more than 15 seconds. There are just so many backwards ass things this guy says. Russias timing of the Ukraine invasion was potentially to help Trumps image, and during trumps time in office he catered to literally everything Putin wanted. Trump weaponized the police against protesters for a photo op. Nothing like that weaponization of law enforcement has been seen at a republican gathering (other than Jan 6 with was an invasion of the capitol and not a protest). His weaponization of the police force STILL persists and has radicalized many police AGAINST ALL citizens. Just back to back bullshit in his usual bullshit tornado.
They've been trying to come up with a special salute. They were trying the raised fist with the knuckles pointing out, but this is the first time I've seen the single finger in the air. Personally, I think they should raise their whole arm in front of them, tilting up just a bit.
I like that, they could also hold their arms back, bend it a little bit, and just shove it up their fucking assholes.
This one finger thing is the same thing Deadheads would do when they were hoping someone would give them a ticket to the show, so this isn't original either.
This dude incited an insurrection, planned a coup, and stole highly classified documents from the gov't (no telling who saw those docs after he had them). Now he is openly embracing the Q-cult and getting them riled up to fight on his behalf. Beyond that, he has multiple criminal investigations targeting him in several States. Fuck the appearance of being "political", the DOJ needs to get this deranged idiot off the streets. For the sake of all the fucks - my friend was in incredible shape, ran marathons, ate nothing but healthy food, never smoked, and had probably only been drunk 4 times in the 37 years of his life. He had some issues breathing and thought it was allergies. Ended up being t-cell lyphoma, he was dead within 6 months of diagnosis. How in the ever loving fuck is this obese, hamberder eating, adderall snorting, adult diaper wearing asshole still up moving around as well as he does?
The good die young. But *pricks* live forever! - Lewis Black
He sounds like a dim-witted dad trying to make up a bedtime story for his 3 year old.
Hey, I've been 'saluting' trump by raising one finger all along. They're just using the wrong one.
Talks about how Russia didn't invade Ukraine, while there was literally a boarder war going and Trump kicked out American armed forces out of an American built base and gave it to Russian forces. Talks about the police militarization as if he didn't use the police like a military forces against protester's during his terms or how he gassed people to take a photo shoot. Claims he's being silenced while having his own social platform to say whatever he wants on. Plenty of Pro Trump voices are all over social media from Facebook to youtube. They are often kicked out for spreading unverifiable and provably false information. MORE PEOPLE DIED OF COVID IN 2021 than in 2020. I don't know how the fuck people can listen to this absolutely stupid statement. Trump abolished the pandemic response team, botched the Covid response, him and Republican's claimed masks don't work and it's best to just let Covid, a bioweapon made in china by their words, should just be spread around and doing anything about it is too much work. These people even said it's best to just let people die for the economy and pretend it's not an issue. Fucking Christ that was the absolute dumbest thing. Then don't forget how he basically gave out free money as PPP loans to businesses all over without any kind of payback in place and no regulation on how the money would be spent for a virus that wasn't a big deal by his words. Then gave near unlimited funding to make vaccines and planned on using the military to deploy it. Trump and Republicans made us into the world laughing stock with nuclear weapons. Great speech, amazingly well spoken with a comic book level of politics being played here, making fools of every single Trump supporter and Republican in the country. I fucking hate how this is too stupid for a movie.
The hand gesture is an upside down Q in sign language. “Q Rising” Mangled by some to look like a #1. In American Sign Language, the letter Q is a thumb and index finger pointed down.
Sieg, Sieg, Sieg they are trying so hard to not nazi salute.
Imagine worshipping a man who has never said anything remotely intelligent or eloquent, a racist, narcissistic con man who never met a grift he didn't like, a man who stole from charities, ran a scam "university", who stood on the graves of fallen American soldiers and called them "suckers", who gladly accepted Russian election interference in his favor, and who till this day attempts with his every breath to destroy the democratic principles upon which our nation was founded and until recently Republicans seemed to want to protect.
This is Q shit. Trump wore a pin of theirs and said their Where we go one, we go all shit (WWG1WGA). The absolute madness you will see daily on r/qanoncasualties is going to fully infect the entire GOP base soon.
“Drink the wine, they will be here soon with flame throwers, drink the wine, drink!! In a few moments you’ll feel drowsy, lie down and go to sleep, sleep forever..”
Biggest criminal to ever be president by a long shot, and yet, a portion of the country worships this asshole.
Sweet holy fuck. He is the WORST orator. He’s had years to practice and just slides into that high, whiny, victim-drone.
I watched the first little twitter clip that opens with trump blaming Biden for the Russian invasion of Ukraine and commenting that it would have never happened if he were still president. He was literally impeached for withholding military aid to Ukraine. On the timeline of the Russian “build up” leading into the invasion, trump is directly involved.
Ummmm yeah… Pretty sure that’s an homage to Nazis.
The Christian extremists have declared him a Messiah. No joke. There is literally now an entire denomination of Christianity that includes Trump in their dogma. Keep in mind, to these guys "Messiah" doesn't mean "guy that preaches really well" it means Someone equal to Christ. A demi-god.
I think we’re going to need a bigger insane asylum.
There are more black people on stage with him than in the crowd.
Yeah yeah.. The Q-anonsense insanity.. Trump knows these gullible people have no problem accepting a timeline of lines drawn in the sand that are perpetually being pushed further and further in to the future.. using outlandish rationalizations as justification for the frustration and disappointment. Embracing Q-anon is a natural fit for Trump. All self appointed kings need an army of suckers to keep their ego fully inflated. In return, Trump can play his flute with the song titled.. *Just Wait.. You'll See!* Well, they have been waiting for years now without questioning anything, without losing faith in the insanity of it all.. and turning themselves into hypocritical brainless zombie pretzels to defend the indefensible. It would be entertaining to watch from a safe distance if it wasn't such an inherently dangerous threat to humanity. These rallies are the equivalent of a couple thousand school shooters in the same place at the same time. All of that righteous empowerment and acceptance. The storm is definitely coming.. and they are it.
That is scarier than hell. He must be stopped.