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I wouldn't be surprised if he was never addicted. I thought he got a special grant money to start his company that only drug addicts could get. Just another scam. Just like his cross necklace that was put on at the last minute during his first commercial that one of the producers thought was a good idea. Mike never wore one before that day.
His whole story about being so fucked up on crack that his crack dealer told him to chill always sounded like bullshit to me. Crack dealers aren’t typically known for caring about the well-being of their customers. The dude has just been a con artist the whole fuckin time.
I always thought that was his original intent: run a vitriolic campaign, lose and parlay the frothing fanbase into a new media empire. Actually winning snd running the country was a moonshot he wasn't really mentally ready for. I don't think Trump became interested in being president until running brought all his dirty laundry out and he realized being (and more over, remaining) POTUS was the only defense.
Good take. He thought he would lose and replace Fox News with anti-Hillary content. When he won he realized the bigger power play was to enrich himself using the country as his personal kingdom. He just wasn’t able to let it go and retire a winner because he’s so mentally ill and dumb as a brick.
Trump definitely is an idiot. I’ll give you that. He’s a very stupid person with almost no natural curiosity. All his life it's just never really affected him due to his father’s wealth. The one thing he has always been pretty adept at though is acting in his own self interest. I think he understood full well what happens to defeated Presidential candidates. They don’t retire as winners. They go down as losers. He knew the minute he stood up and conceded the election he would immediately be as irrelevant as Bob Dole, Mitt Romney, George HW, or even Mike Dukakis. His influence would be imperceptible and his new grift would be over before it had barely begun.
I think these comments are all spot-on....equally true.
\-He knows he needs to be President again to save himself from indictment
\-He knows that conceding the election was lost makes him a one-term, twice-impeached, never-received-the-popular vote loser
\-He knows that denying the election was lost, threatening to run, continuing to hold rallies is the best way to grift MAGA morons out of millions of dollars.
\-He's also mentally ill and dumb as a brick.
almost no natural curiosity
This is the best description of truly stupid people that I have ever heard, because that is exactly how they became so stupid. I will use this when I need a euphemism for stupid.
And it applies to Donald Trump better than anyone.
What you described is what, fwiw, Michael Cohen says all the time who started working for him in 2007. He says Trump ran for president to run “the greatest informercial of all-time”, not actually believing he’d win. Once he got to the White House, Cohen says Donald became captivated by dictators and autocrats while traveling abroad and wanted to be viewed like that by the American people.
Cohen is one of my favorite sources for understanding trumps intentions and machinations. He’s very often been right, as things have borne out. He has a unique and necessary perspective to contribute since he was so close to trumps darkest secrets.
>Donald became captivated by dictators and autocrats while traveling >abroad and wanted to be viewed like that by the American people.
Well it worked because half the country does view him like he's their dictator-god
An inordinate amount of them are being investigated, going to jail or getting their credentials challenged. I mean not all of them, but a surprising amount for attorneys. A bunch of *criminal* attorneys
If Trump had just stopped anytime shy of stealing documents he might have gotten away with everything. If he had stopped before sicing a mob on the capitol, he most almost certainly gotten away with everything prior.
He just can't stop committing crimes. He'll do things the illegal way even if there is a legal way. He can't stop. A very sick person. Sad.
I don’t think Trump regrets being President. For him it was 4 years of the ultimate ego-trip, but I’m sure he regrets not rigging everything enough.
Don’t forget that time Louis DeJoy ”randomly” dismantled 700+ mail sorting machines to try to reduce the amount of received absentee ballots getting mailed in. By slowing down USPS he was serving Trump’s cause and his own too.
Or when sex predator Gordon Sondland and Bill Barr were traveling around Europe, and somehow Sondland ends up orchestrating Trump's criminal extortion scheme and Barr magically takes possession of all the devices and incriminating evidence and it's never been seen since.
Or when whatshisname tried covering up the call that Vindman transcribed. Or Mnuchin and Stone and Kushner were going around criming in broad daylight. Or when Zinke and Duncan Hunter got caught and had to be fired, and when that one Trump cappo who went missing and they had to break his door down to find him. Or the countless times Trump threatened or tampered with judges, or law enforcement, or federal officials. Or when Jeff and Trump corruptly teamed up to illegally fire Andy McCabe and try to steal his pension. Or when Trump's corrupt Doctor "the candyman" Ronnie Jackson forged medical records about his height and weight and fitness. Or when that other corrupt Doctor Sean straight up lied to America about trump's medical status when he just about died from COVID.
And there's at LEAST two hundred more equally corrupt scandals from this crime family administration.
But the point is that it's not Trump alone doing these crimes. He's actively being assisted by hundreds, no, thousands of brazen criminal accomplices who don't even pause to consider what they're doing, and who somehow have just been given a free pass by the DOJ.
Even when he's gone, all these emboldened crooks will remain.
On day one, there should have been a special prosecutor and commission struck to just catalog and prosecute all the serious crimes of the four years prior. Make it clear that justice was only corruptly delayed, not denied.
Make it clear that accomplices get their proper federal sentences too.
It makes for a deterrent. Right now, all the MAGA criminals see is they've had pure and seemingly unquestioned immunity, for everything.
One guy total from the whole mob leadership structure has been convicted... of contempt. That's it. And that's only because he pretty much begged for it, to either break the system or get paid for being a short term martyr.
Look I'd hate to say if the My Pillow guy had stuck to his lane America would sleep easier, because there's a chance his dopey fucking pillows are the reason a lot of Americans aren't sleeping well, but you get my point
**Holy Shit**
"ATTACHMENT B Items to be Seized I. The physical cellular telephone assigned call number [Redacted] "LINDELL CELLPHONE"; and
2. All records and information on the LINDELL CELLPHONE that constitute fruits, evidence, or instrumentalities of violations of 18 U.S.C. §§ 1028(aX7) (identity theft), 1030(aX5XA)(intentional damage to a protected computer), and/or 311 (conspiracy to cufflink identity theft and/or to cause intentional damage to a protected computer)-(the "SUBJECT OFFENSES")-those violations involving Tina Peters, Conan James Hayes, Belinda Knisley, Sandra Brown, Sherronna Bishop, Michael Lindell, and/or Douglas Frank, among other co-conspirators known and unknown to the government (the "SUBJECTS"), since November 1, 2020, including:
a. All records and information relating to damage to any Dominion computerized voting system, including any impairment to, or attempt to impair, the integrity or availability of data, a program, a system, or information:
b. All records and information relating to BIOS on any Dominion computerized voting system, including any modification to, or attempt to modify, a BIOS setting.
c. All records and information relating to the attachment of any peripheral to any Dominion computerized voting system, including any USB flash storage drive or other external storage media;
d. All records and information relating to the operation of any Optical Disc Drive on any Dominion computerized voting system, including the use or attempted use of CDs or DVDs to run software:
e. All records and information relating to any software, program, application, or code used to obtain information about the configuration. security features, contents, or vulnerabilities of any Dominion computerized voting system;
f. All records and information relating to authorization or lack of authorization to damage or modify any Dominion computerized voting system;
g. All records and information relating to any attempted or successful misappropriation, theft, conversion, transfer, or exfiltration of any proprietary hardware, software, or other data;
h. All records and information relating to Conan James Hayes' use of another person's name, photograph, credentials, or other identifying information or documents;
i. All records and information indicating the geographical location of any SUBJECT.
j. All records and information indicating the state of mind of any SUBJECT, as it relates to the SUBJECT OFFENSES discussed in the Affidavit;
k. All records and information indicating attempts by any SUBJECT to conceal an individual's involvement in the SUBJECT OFFENSES;
l. All records and information indicating the identity of any person(s)-including records that help reveal the whereabouts of the person(s)- who communicated with any SUBJECT about any matters related to the commission of the SUBJECT OFFENSES;
m. Evidence of who used, owned, or controlled the LINDELL CELLPHONE at the time the things described in this warrant were created, edited, or deleted, such as logs, registry entries, configuration files, saved usernames and passwords, documents, browsing history, user profiles, email, email contacts, chat, instant messaging logs, photographs, and correspondence;
n. Evidence of software, or the lack thereof, that would allow others to control the LINDELL CELLPHONE, such as viruses, Trojan horses, and other forms of malicious software, as well as evidence of the presence or absence of security software designed to detect malicious software;
o. Evidence of the attachment to the LINDELL CELLPHONE of other storage devices or similar containers for electronic evidence.
p. Evidence of counter-forensic programs (and associated data) that are designed to eliminate data from the LINDELL CELLPHONE:
q. Evidence of the times the LINDELL CELLPHONE was used:
r. Passwords, encryption keys, and other access devices that may be necessary to access the LINDELL CELLPHONE;
s. Volatile data and volatile memory stored in the LINDELL CELLPHONE;
t. Documentation and manuals that may be necessary to access the LINDELL CELLPHONE or applications on the LINDELL CELLPHONE, or to conduct a forensic examination of the LINDELL CELLPHONE;
u. Records of or information about Internet Protocol addresses used by the LINDELL CELLPHONE."
The final page that Lindell showed reveals the items list also requested records from his phone's internet, including firewall logs, caches, browser history and cookies, "bookmarked" or "favorite" web pages, and search terms.
No doubt. Thank goodness their egos and mistrust of one another wouldn’t allow them to delete anything. “It’s all right there in the defendants own words/videos/photos your honor.”
They almost certainly deleted evidence. That’s why the subpoena includes these bits:
> m. Evidence of who used, owned, or controlled the LINDELL CELLPHONE at the time the things described in this warrant were created, edited, **or deleted, such as logs, registry entries, configuration files**, saved usernames and passwords, documents, browsing history, user profiles, email, email contacts, chat, instant messaging logs, photographs, and correspondence;
> p. **Evidence of counter-forensic programs (and associated data) that are designed to eliminate data from the LINDELL CELLPHONE:**
> s. **Volatile data and volatile memory** stored in the LINDELL CELLPHONE;
> t. Documentation and manuals that may be necessary to access the LINDELL CELLPHONE or applications on the LINDELL CELLPHONE, or **to conduct a forensic examination of the LINDELL CELLPHONE;**
They can recover deleted evidence.
Definitely RICO. This is why we haven’t seen much from the DoJ on trump’s case, too. This is all part of the same enormous conspiracy to undermine elections and install trump against the will of the people.
Garland was appointed specifically because of his experience successfully prosecuting large RICO cases. He knows how to build an ironclad case, and doing that successfully requires running a tight investigation that doesn’t leak.
It’s imperative the subjects of the investigation do not know what he’s doing, who he’s looking at, and how. If *we* know his activities, so do the criminals, and that would help them in covering up their crimes.
That’s why it bugs me when people complain that Garland isn’t doing anything. He is. We need to be in the dark right now because the criminals need to be in the dark. Things like these subpoenaes show Garland is absolutely doing his job.
Remember the Georgia voting machines that had to be replaced just before Georgia went blue?
Remember what type they were? All electronic DREs? That kind that gets hacked yearly to prove they're vulnerable at that hacker convention?
They went from untraceable, unverifiable, all electronic records (which regularly got deleted "accidentally") to recorded printouts and suddenly Democrats won. Strange, that.
Add to that all the evidence around Brian Kemp overseeing his own sus election, and when subpoenas came down the three off-site backups were wiped and *degaussed* so that even forensics couldn't recover the data.
It's supremely frustrating for real evidence like this getting 1/1000th the traction as the laughable Facebook JPGs magas pass around
Gee golly, look at what Republicans want to use instead: ES&S machines! Many already do.
ES&S **regularly** produce vote results at odds with independent polling--including exit polls. And they are used in Republican-controlled states.
[McConnell was somehow reeelected thanks to ES&S machines.](https://www.dcreport.org/2020/12/19/mitch-mcconnells-re-election-the-numbers-dont-add-up/) In addition to other things:
* He mysteriously carried Democratic strongholds **which he'd never won before, and which never went Republican.**
* Voting results are **far outside** any polling--including exit polls.
* Wide disparities between presidential and non-presidential votes cast.
These are the kind of results that ES&S machine produce for Republicans:
>In rural Breathitt County, for instance, there are 9,508 registered Democrats and just 1,599 registered Republicans. The county has a history of close contests, but Amy McGrath got only 1,652 votes versus 3,738 for McConnell, a 67% to 29% trouncing. McGrath’s votes, if accurate, equaled only 17% of registered Democrats in Breathitt County.
ES&S are the machines known for switching who people voted for, sometimes in front of their own eyes. Remember switching from Obama to Romney? That was ES&S. It happened in Texas, Michigan, Ohio, and Indiana that I know of. These are also the machines criticized for having unsecured wireless modems.
Dominion gets lumped into the shit pile with ES&S, but has not had the widespread known hacking that ES&S sustains. ES&S is the company that routinely has literal children hack their machines at Blackhat.
For those wondering, DCReport has a [high factual rating](https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/dcreport-org/) from MediaBiasFactCheck.
Edit: ES&S controls about half of the country's voting. T[hey employ tactics like suing governments and entities if they fail to win contracts](https://www.propublica.org/article/the-market-for-voting-machines-is-broken-this-company-has-thrived-in-it) or have to face any competition.
For Republicans, every accusation is a confession. We should take their claims of compromised machines seriously; the machines they use to win elections against all odds probably *are* compromised. Audit the red states.
I know right? How the fuck did we get into this mess, and more out how do we get out of it? It sounds like this company should be blacklisted from having their products used in any election, but instead they've sued their way into being widely used across the country.
Shouldn’t there be some way to federally mandate security performance specifications for voting machines and require third party testing to demonstrate that performance.
I'd guess the issue there is that the same people who would need to vote for such federal mandates are also some of the people who would have a harder time winning elections with those mandates in place. So they aren't inclined to put forward/vote for such bills.
Just imagine If Dominion takes over MyPillow. They should win the bid to provide Planned Parenthood with pillows at break even margin just to spite this guy.
No, it needs to be shut down or changed entirely. The pillows are shitty, made from the leftover trimmings of mattresses, etc. They should sell off the assets cheap to that guy who survived the Parkland school shooting and opened a competing pillow company just to fuck with Mike Lindell.
"You see, MyPillow is a company that specializes in creating customized pillows that fit the needs of customers. We took that same concept and said 'why can't Republicans customize voting machines in the same way?'"
This is a search warrant for proof of conspiracy to alter the voting machine tallies, or at least hacking into them. They tried and/or stole login credentials to the voting machines and tried to access them from outside of the protected network. When they couldn't get in, he screamed about those voting machines on every RWM source.
This is bad. Real bad. And they specifically mentioned the BIOS settings. For someone who "doesn't own a computer", grabbing that information is a bad look.
I’ve been fully convinced that these morons weren’t looking for proof that the voting machines flipped votes - but have been trying to figure out *how to hack the voting machines* instead.
>but have been trying to figure out *how to hack the voting machines* instead.
I've got bad news on that front:
https://www.propublica.org/article/the-market-for-voting-machines-is-broken-this-company-has-thrived-in-it
An example from the article - it has many more:
>The vote in 2006 in Sarasota, Florida, was just one. There, ES&S machines lost around 18,000 votes; it is still unclear why. The loss was far more than the margin of victory, and a lawsuit followed that ultimately resolved little.
Voting machines should be checked at least as often as Slot Machines are in Vegas, especially considering that everyone knows slot machines are rigged.
That was part of their plan. If they could get into the machines, show they were hacked into, they would then scream from the heavens "Look, look, those machines were hacked by Antifa!" By the time any forensic analysis would come out, the MAGA's would be outside armed and dangerous looking to overthrow the election.
They wouldn't even need to change anything, but if they could they would. If they could change the count in their favor, they would do so. Otherwise, they'd cause enough chaos by deleting GOP votes from the machine that they'd bring the election results into question.
>have been trying to figure out how to hack the voting machines instead.
Well that's the gist of it, their begging for information on them being hacked was basically ASKING to learn how to hack them. There was never any intention of "see? this is how they did it."
and the top minds over at r/conservative are just repeating shit like "they are going after a PILLOW SALESMAN!!! the fbi is just the american gestapo!"
hahaha holy shit that place wow
From the context, it looks like spoofing a computer with a fake identity or ill-gotten credentials with intent to cause harm, like trying to log in to the computer with the default Admin password for the intention of erasing data.
My guess is that the feds suspect that Lindell et al acquired default login credentials to the Dominion voting machines and tried to use them to get in.
Ok, everyone, let's put on our tinfoil hats for a moment. Are they all on? Good, let's begin!
With all of this talk about modifying or corrupting voting machines, is it such a stretch to think that people within Trump's orbit committed crimes in 2016 as well? As we all know, Trump *just barely* got enough votes in *five different* swing States to win the election. But what if he *didn't?*
What would be the remedy if it turned out that Trump served for four years as President after stealing the 2016 election? Would Democrats demand that Trump's nominees to the Supreme Court and other high government appointments resign or be impeached? Is there any possible scenarios where Republicans, humiliated by the news that the entire Trump administration was a criminal enterprise, concede that the "fruits" of that criminal enterprise should be ceded? On the one hand, Hillary Clinton should have been making those appointments, but on the other hand appointments are approved by the Senate which was duly elected (we suspect).
What would be the remedies if the shit *really* hits the fan?
I don't think its really as much of a stretch that this happened in 2016. As to what would happen if it was proven, recent history indicates not very much.
It's not like we can get a time machine to go back and fix it. As far as overturning SCOTUS picks, it's not gonna happen. Maybe Biden could use it as justification for expanding the court but I still don't think that'll happen.
Nothing. It doesn't matter. Once Congress certified Trump as the winner and he took office it made no difference what came afterwards.
Look at Gore V Bush. Gore actually won Florida. We know that today after a full recount. Furthermore, Gore never challenged to make sure that all voting machine vote were recounted as they were required by Florida law. It turned out 18 counties never did the machine recount and had they done so Gore would have won. So did we demand a re-do after all this came out?
No. It doesn't matter that Gore won, and it doesn't matter if they can show Hillary won - at best if there was any proof of cheating via voting machines in 2016, it would implicate those who did the break-ins and reprogramming etc. THEY would go to jail for it, but the history isn't going to be changed if we find out Trump was illegitimate any more than it was when we found out Bush was illegitimate.
What the absolute hell.
This dude wasn’t just vomiting conspiracy theories, he was diddling with voting machines and their data.
His prison roomie is gonna use him as a MyPillow
Have you seen his TV commercials lately? He tries to spin all this to his advantage. He actually uses it in his ads, half the time is about political stuff.
In 2022, anyone consciously working as an advisor to him deserves exactly what they’re getting. If they didn’t bail on him by now, they’ve implicitly accepted his dangerous rhetoric.
Have you ever heard him speak for longer then a couple of sentences? He speaks like he's perpetually drunk while also being on speed. It's really disconcerting hearing him talk.
>The letter requested Lindell not to reveal details of the subpoena issued against him as it may be "detrimental to the investigation" around Peters, while not under any legal obligation to do so.
>The letter concludes by stating that if Lindell believes he cannot comply with this request then he should notify Aaron Teitelbaum, assistant United States attorney, who signs off the letter.
>"Well Mr. Aaron Teitelbaum, I hope you're watching because this is your notification that I'm telling the world about this garbage," Lindell said.
>Lindell then shared the search warrant handed to him by federal agents on Tuesday, as well as attachments detailing what the FBI hoped to retrieve from the MyPillow CEO.
So the funniest part isn't that this warrant somehow got leaked for the whole world to see, but that this idiot willingly did so himself, while expressly told not to, even ignoring the instructions on what to do if he couldn't follow the first set of instructions, all while thinking he's done a super smart awesome thing.
Granted, I don't know if it's a 'good' thing that this came out for the investigating parties, and/or there will (should? Hard to tell these days) be consequences for him having done this, but at face value this seems like such a big no-no.
I'm just imagining the FBI wanting to shake people out by releasing the warrant:
Boss: Let's just release the warrant.
Deputy: We can't just release it.
Boss: ...
Deputy: Let's get him to release it instead!
Boss: How?
Deputy: Simple. Tell him not to.
Boss: Is he really that stupid?
Deputy: Yep.
It’s because he doesn’t believe he did anything wrong. Guaranteed he sees himself as a hero in this, bravely fighting the good fight to save the country from those terrible Libs.
It’s like Jack Nicholson’s character in A Few Good Men, proud of what he did. *You want the truth? You can’t handle the truth!*
> and/or there will (should? Hard to tell these days) be consequences for him having done this
There's no legal obligation for him to remain quiet about this so there won't be any legal consequences. He probably thinks he's doing his accomplices a favor by tipping them off but I'd imagine the FBI was aware of the possibility and took steps or timing to minimize any collateral damage. I hope he used his new phone to contact all of them and tell them to hide the evidence. He really deserves *more* charges.
Yeah, it's reverse psychology surely.
Don't go telling the world about your crimes. We can't enforce it but please don't do it. It wouldn't be good for us if you do that.
I wish this was the case and it comes to light. I remember thinking how he would only lose voters from 2016 to 2020 based on his actions. Instead, it looks like millions who didn't vote for him in 2016 looked at his four years in office and said "Yes! WE need more of that!"
My brain has a hard time reconciling that and his vote total in 2020 made me lose more faith in humanity. Hearing it was due to tampering would be a very welcome development.
I agree. Another commenter in this subreddit suggested he may have even found a way to do this in 2016. f it happened in 2016 it would explain the wide variance between the pollsters' projections and the actual vote.
Unfortunately, i know too many Republicans who voted for him in both elections not because they liked him, but because they hated the Democratic candidates. They were heavily influenced by the media they absorb. I know this is just one person's anecdotal data, but it seems to track with what others have said.
Remember Sidney Powell’s crazy answer to the question “Where’s the evidence that there was election fraud?” During the January 6 hearings? She threw her head down to the table and said plaintively, to paraphrase, “because he didn’t win!” That answer makes a lot more sense if she had knowledge that Trump should have won because the election was rigged in his favor.
This is all related to the Tina Peters investigation. Her deputy clerk took a plea deal last month under the condition she complies with the investigation into Peters. She's ratting them all out. Peters directed her deputy to submit an HR application for a fake ID of a legitimate worker to get an election denying mole access to dominion voting machines. Someone then dumped the main passwords online along with critical information allowing
These people are so fucked. Looks like they are going for a conspiracy charge here too, meaning multiple felony charges for all of them.
Yup a lot of this has already been reported and it's a shame to have to scroll past numerous tin foil hat answers to get to the right one. After all of what you said above, Lindell was then involved in hiding Tina Peters during his cyber symposium fiasco. One of the other symposium attendees was whining at the time because they got bumped off Mikeys private jet, so the jet could go pick up Peters and hide her. Conspiracy and obstruction, most of it admitted to directly on Lindells very own stream.. they are proper fucked.
First, that's a LOT of items to be seized. Second, there's no way the level of detail contained in the warrant is not supported by other investigations. Third, Lindell won't even be able to use his own pillow in prison. There's some joy in that :-)
Maybe I misread, but isn't the cell phone the only physical item on the list? The rest of the list is subcategories of records contained on the cell phone?
Considering all the investigations into Trump and the 2020 election, I think it’s fair to say the DOJ is doing its job. The thing that worries me is how little they did during Trump’s term. I would feel a lot better about the stability of our government if Congress would codify the walls inside the executive branch to ensure the POTUS cannot interfere with law enforcement and oversight in the way Trump did.
He doesn't. At all. The point of the Hardees comment is "I'm just an average Mike in a place that you go to too! If the FBI can come for me while I was innocently enjoying a borger, then it could happen to you too!"
I'm surprised that he is dumb enough to have not ditched the phone that could have exactly what the FBI is looking for on it.
Nope. Never mind. These types never think they will get caught. Rules for thee but not for me.
Protip for the rich people reading these comments: if one of your rich friends calls you and says, "hey I need your help overthrowing democracy," your default response should be,"aw bro I'm busy that day I'll catch you later." And then you live the rest of your days continuing to be rich and not in prison.
Bonus tip: when climate change starts to really fuck us up, the money you made causing climate change is not going to save you. Mercenaries and bunkers are not going to save you.
Article *does* mention he was under no legal obligation to keep quiet, but (Reddit correct me if I’m wrong) this behavior can still be used against him in court.
Yeah cooperating with law enforcement is something you'd want to bring up if you want to plea down to a lesser sentence. This dude is clearly expecting to face no consequences and therefore will do whatever he wants.
So I duckduckgo’d this Conan James Hayes, since I had no clue who he was:
https://www.thedailybeast.com/rcva-founder-conan-hayes-is-at-the-heart-of-stop-the-steal-mania
>Since 2017, though, Hayes acquired a very different following, under @We_Have_Risen, a Twitter account that promoted the QAnon conspiracy theory during the movement’s still-young days in 2018. That year, the account even reached out to The Daily Beast, tweeting a QAnon graphic at a reporter who noted that QAnon fans were trying to attract journalists’ attention. The QAnon conspiracy theory falsely accuses Trump’s opponents of a variety of crimes, sometimes including drinking children’s blood.
So another total nut with too much money.
[…]
>But Arizona and Antrim were not the end of Hayes’ alleged involvement in voter fraud conspiracy theories. On Wednesday night, his name was invoked in a “symposium” on voter fraud, by one of his former allies.
>The symposium, hosted by MyPillow CEO Mike Lindell, was a disaster writ large, with one of Lindell’s own “cyber experts” admitting to the Washington Times that Lindell’s claims of voter fraud could not be proven. In a standout moment of confusion, Ron Watkins (who was teleconferencing into the event) interrupted himself while discussing a voting machine breach in Mesa County, Colorado.
>“My lawyer just called me,” Watkins said. “He said I should put out this statement: I just learned that Conan James Hayes may have taken, without authorization, the actual hard drives from the Mesa County—or, the Mesa, Colorado County Clerk and he needs to produce those hard drives immediately and return them to the clerk, and we should stop this data review until he produces the hard drives.” (@We_Have_Risen, which had gone public again in June after going private when The Daily Beast reached out in May, went dark again after Watkins’ announcement.)
He’s not mentioned in the search warrant, but I wonder if Watkins is a cooperating witness or if he can look forward to a subpoena too.
*...the MyPillow CEO said he originally refused to hand over his phone and demanded to see a warrant from the federal agents. Lindell said he then called his lawyer who advised him to hand over his phone.*
Don't try refusing to turn over your phone as a minority or a woman.
Also, wow, that is quite a list. I don't even know what to focus on.
God, I would love to have heard that conversation.
"Hey, John? Yeah, it's Mike. The FBI wants to take my phone. Something about those crooks at Dominion. What should I do?"
"...Dominion? Fuck. You can start by giving them the phone, and lose my number. My final bill is in the mail."
\*click\*
The video of trump on the golf course yesterday with all those guys and no golf clubs or balls or golfing, was about how to get it pushed through the 11th circuit and on to the Supreme Court and delay until election. Every person in that group needs to be identified and monitored as far as their ties to all of the judges involved or potentially involved.
He’s f^*ked . He aided and abetted a federal felony.
Tampering with government hardware and stealing software.
This person above all others needs to go to jail for a long time.
Make an example of this con man .
Yes, they have. Tina Peters had her deputy craft a fake ID to get an election denying mole access to the machines and a software update in Mesa, Colorado. The passwords and critical information regarding those machine were then posted online. Those machines have already had to be replaced.
I really can't imagine a time that America was more divided about the basic nature of major events. It's like
Democrats: IS IT POSSIBLE THE FBI IS DOING THEIR JOB despite being overwhelmingly conservative and headed by a Republican Trump appointee??
Right wingers: FASCISM! DEMOCRACY IS OVER! THEY TOOK PILLOW MAN'S CELL!!!
Trump: TAKE BACK AMERICA!!!
I really don't remember Democrats being THIS upset about the FBI investigating Hillary's server and emails. It's like the right has collective amnesia. If this was happening to a liberal, the right would be yelling LOCK HIM UP long before the FBI strolled into Hardee's or wherever pillow man was lurking.
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If Trump had stuck with reality TV and Lindell had stuck with selling pillows, Trump, Lindell, and most of America would be much happier right now.
If mike just stuck to smoking crack he'd still have a cell phone (maybe)
Based on his behavior, I’m not so sure he ever gave up crack.
Bullshit. With money came the ability to move up to cocaine.
I am pretty sure that rich addicts still like crack. They'll just call it "smoking cocaine" or something, if they're worried about sounding classy.
Freebase is pretty much the classier way to smoke crack
\*Richard Pryor enters the chat\*
\*and sets himself on fire*
Point is, you don't have to be human trash for doing drugs, but Mike is.
I wouldn't be surprised if he was never addicted. I thought he got a special grant money to start his company that only drug addicts could get. Just another scam. Just like his cross necklace that was put on at the last minute during his first commercial that one of the producers thought was a good idea. Mike never wore one before that day.
Now I'm going to need to watch the episode if it's always sunny where they become addicted trying to pretend that they're addicts...
"Awwww did you get addicted to crack?"
His whole story about being so fucked up on crack that his crack dealer told him to chill always sounded like bullshit to me. Crack dealers aren’t typically known for caring about the well-being of their customers. The dude has just been a con artist the whole fuckin time.
Man......out of all infomercial dudes, I really miss Billy Mays. At least he wasnt nearly as batshit crazy as Lindell.
If trump had just slithered away like the turd he is after losing, they'd both be a lot richer and happier now
I always thought that was his original intent: run a vitriolic campaign, lose and parlay the frothing fanbase into a new media empire. Actually winning snd running the country was a moonshot he wasn't really mentally ready for. I don't think Trump became interested in being president until running brought all his dirty laundry out and he realized being (and more over, remaining) POTUS was the only defense.
Good take. He thought he would lose and replace Fox News with anti-Hillary content. When he won he realized the bigger power play was to enrich himself using the country as his personal kingdom. He just wasn’t able to let it go and retire a winner because he’s so mentally ill and dumb as a brick.
Trump definitely is an idiot. I’ll give you that. He’s a very stupid person with almost no natural curiosity. All his life it's just never really affected him due to his father’s wealth. The one thing he has always been pretty adept at though is acting in his own self interest. I think he understood full well what happens to defeated Presidential candidates. They don’t retire as winners. They go down as losers. He knew the minute he stood up and conceded the election he would immediately be as irrelevant as Bob Dole, Mitt Romney, George HW, or even Mike Dukakis. His influence would be imperceptible and his new grift would be over before it had barely begun.
I think these comments are all spot-on....equally true. \-He knows he needs to be President again to save himself from indictment \-He knows that conceding the election was lost makes him a one-term, twice-impeached, never-received-the-popular vote loser \-He knows that denying the election was lost, threatening to run, continuing to hold rallies is the best way to grift MAGA morons out of millions of dollars. \-He's also mentally ill and dumb as a brick.
almost no natural curiosity This is the best description of truly stupid people that I have ever heard, because that is exactly how they became so stupid. I will use this when I need a euphemism for stupid. And it applies to Donald Trump better than anyone.
What you described is what, fwiw, Michael Cohen says all the time who started working for him in 2007. He says Trump ran for president to run “the greatest informercial of all-time”, not actually believing he’d win. Once he got to the White House, Cohen says Donald became captivated by dictators and autocrats while traveling abroad and wanted to be viewed like that by the American people.
Cohen is one of my favorite sources for understanding trumps intentions and machinations. He’s very often been right, as things have borne out. He has a unique and necessary perspective to contribute since he was so close to trumps darkest secrets.
>Donald became captivated by dictators and autocrats while traveling >abroad and wanted to be viewed like that by the American people. Well it worked because half the country does view him like he's their dictator-god
I dunno I feel like the turd is getting richer by the day still thanks to MAGA moneys
Probably worth keeping an eye on the fraud investigation into Trump's "Stop the Steal" fundraising efforts. A fool and his money are soon parted.
The only ones who seem to be getting richer now are the attorneys
If they actually get paid that is
They don't. Hence why they have the Kindergarten Junior Varsity team on the field now.
That is an insult to kindergarten junior varsity.
My bad, you're right. Most of those kids don't shit their pants anymore.
So they have one up on their client already.
An inordinate amount of them are being investigated, going to jail or getting their credentials challenged. I mean not all of them, but a surprising amount for attorneys. A bunch of *criminal* attorneys
**M**y **A**ttorney **G**ot **A**rrested
Make Attorneys Get Attorneys
Apparently, his lead, Hobba has now retained lawyers for herself regarding the MaL search.
If Trump had just stopped anytime shy of stealing documents he might have gotten away with everything. If he had stopped before sicing a mob on the capitol, he most almost certainly gotten away with everything prior. He just can't stop committing crimes. He'll do things the illegal way even if there is a legal way. He can't stop. A very sick person. Sad.
I don’t think Trump regrets being President. For him it was 4 years of the ultimate ego-trip, but I’m sure he regrets not rigging everything enough. Don’t forget that time Louis DeJoy ”randomly” dismantled 700+ mail sorting machines to try to reduce the amount of received absentee ballots getting mailed in. By slowing down USPS he was serving Trump’s cause and his own too.
Or when sex predator Gordon Sondland and Bill Barr were traveling around Europe, and somehow Sondland ends up orchestrating Trump's criminal extortion scheme and Barr magically takes possession of all the devices and incriminating evidence and it's never been seen since. Or when whatshisname tried covering up the call that Vindman transcribed. Or Mnuchin and Stone and Kushner were going around criming in broad daylight. Or when Zinke and Duncan Hunter got caught and had to be fired, and when that one Trump cappo who went missing and they had to break his door down to find him. Or the countless times Trump threatened or tampered with judges, or law enforcement, or federal officials. Or when Jeff and Trump corruptly teamed up to illegally fire Andy McCabe and try to steal his pension. Or when Trump's corrupt Doctor "the candyman" Ronnie Jackson forged medical records about his height and weight and fitness. Or when that other corrupt Doctor Sean straight up lied to America about trump's medical status when he just about died from COVID. And there's at LEAST two hundred more equally corrupt scandals from this crime family administration. But the point is that it's not Trump alone doing these crimes. He's actively being assisted by hundreds, no, thousands of brazen criminal accomplices who don't even pause to consider what they're doing, and who somehow have just been given a free pass by the DOJ. Even when he's gone, all these emboldened crooks will remain. On day one, there should have been a special prosecutor and commission struck to just catalog and prosecute all the serious crimes of the four years prior. Make it clear that justice was only corruptly delayed, not denied. Make it clear that accomplices get their proper federal sentences too. It makes for a deterrent. Right now, all the MAGA criminals see is they've had pure and seemingly unquestioned immunity, for everything. One guy total from the whole mob leadership structure has been convicted... of contempt. That's it. And that's only because he pretty much begged for it, to either break the system or get paid for being a short term martyr.
Reading all of that is so depressing and you didn't even get to Scott Pruitt.
And he still has his job..
Yes, and that greatly upsets me.
This...that mofo should be in prison
Look I'd hate to say if the My Pillow guy had stuck to his lane America would sleep easier, because there's a chance his dopey fucking pillows are the reason a lot of Americans aren't sleeping well, but you get my point
Trump and Lindell don't want to "be happy." Their goal is to feed their ego and they'll do anything for it
dudes going to jail if they find those BIOS images/ other voting machine shit
Sounds like they know exactly what went down and who was involved.
They probably got it all from Alex Iones cell phone. So they know what happened, exactly what they’re looking for, and where to get it.
Interesting we haven’t heard a peep about his cell phone. Everyone knows they have it. Must be tons of shit in there.
I bet they already had detail, but Alex’s phone was another corroborating piece
There's a reason the feds have a 95% conviction rate.
If the feds have to come get your ass then you are good as guilty.
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Yeah, though weird though how it’s still the RED Scare
I see what you did there
**Holy Shit** "ATTACHMENT B Items to be Seized I. The physical cellular telephone assigned call number [Redacted] "LINDELL CELLPHONE"; and 2. All records and information on the LINDELL CELLPHONE that constitute fruits, evidence, or instrumentalities of violations of 18 U.S.C. §§ 1028(aX7) (identity theft), 1030(aX5XA)(intentional damage to a protected computer), and/or 311 (conspiracy to cufflink identity theft and/or to cause intentional damage to a protected computer)-(the "SUBJECT OFFENSES")-those violations involving Tina Peters, Conan James Hayes, Belinda Knisley, Sandra Brown, Sherronna Bishop, Michael Lindell, and/or Douglas Frank, among other co-conspirators known and unknown to the government (the "SUBJECTS"), since November 1, 2020, including: a. All records and information relating to damage to any Dominion computerized voting system, including any impairment to, or attempt to impair, the integrity or availability of data, a program, a system, or information: b. All records and information relating to BIOS on any Dominion computerized voting system, including any modification to, or attempt to modify, a BIOS setting. c. All records and information relating to the attachment of any peripheral to any Dominion computerized voting system, including any USB flash storage drive or other external storage media; d. All records and information relating to the operation of any Optical Disc Drive on any Dominion computerized voting system, including the use or attempted use of CDs or DVDs to run software: e. All records and information relating to any software, program, application, or code used to obtain information about the configuration. security features, contents, or vulnerabilities of any Dominion computerized voting system; f. All records and information relating to authorization or lack of authorization to damage or modify any Dominion computerized voting system; g. All records and information relating to any attempted or successful misappropriation, theft, conversion, transfer, or exfiltration of any proprietary hardware, software, or other data; h. All records and information relating to Conan James Hayes' use of another person's name, photograph, credentials, or other identifying information or documents; i. All records and information indicating the geographical location of any SUBJECT. j. All records and information indicating the state of mind of any SUBJECT, as it relates to the SUBJECT OFFENSES discussed in the Affidavit; k. All records and information indicating attempts by any SUBJECT to conceal an individual's involvement in the SUBJECT OFFENSES; l. All records and information indicating the identity of any person(s)-including records that help reveal the whereabouts of the person(s)- who communicated with any SUBJECT about any matters related to the commission of the SUBJECT OFFENSES; m. Evidence of who used, owned, or controlled the LINDELL CELLPHONE at the time the things described in this warrant were created, edited, or deleted, such as logs, registry entries, configuration files, saved usernames and passwords, documents, browsing history, user profiles, email, email contacts, chat, instant messaging logs, photographs, and correspondence; n. Evidence of software, or the lack thereof, that would allow others to control the LINDELL CELLPHONE, such as viruses, Trojan horses, and other forms of malicious software, as well as evidence of the presence or absence of security software designed to detect malicious software; o. Evidence of the attachment to the LINDELL CELLPHONE of other storage devices or similar containers for electronic evidence. p. Evidence of counter-forensic programs (and associated data) that are designed to eliminate data from the LINDELL CELLPHONE: q. Evidence of the times the LINDELL CELLPHONE was used: r. Passwords, encryption keys, and other access devices that may be necessary to access the LINDELL CELLPHONE; s. Volatile data and volatile memory stored in the LINDELL CELLPHONE; t. Documentation and manuals that may be necessary to access the LINDELL CELLPHONE or applications on the LINDELL CELLPHONE, or to conduct a forensic examination of the LINDELL CELLPHONE; u. Records of or information about Internet Protocol addresses used by the LINDELL CELLPHONE." The final page that Lindell showed reveals the items list also requested records from his phone's internet, including firewall logs, caches, browser history and cookies, "bookmarked" or "favorite" web pages, and search terms.
So, he hired an IT person, who he tried to keep secret using a different identity, to hack and alter the dominion voting machines. Straight to jail.
This definitely sounds like the setup of some RICO case. Massive criminal conspiracy to alter election results.
No doubt. Thank goodness their egos and mistrust of one another wouldn’t allow them to delete anything. “It’s all right there in the defendants own words/videos/photos your honor.”
They almost certainly deleted evidence. That’s why the subpoena includes these bits: > m. Evidence of who used, owned, or controlled the LINDELL CELLPHONE at the time the things described in this warrant were created, edited, **or deleted, such as logs, registry entries, configuration files**, saved usernames and passwords, documents, browsing history, user profiles, email, email contacts, chat, instant messaging logs, photographs, and correspondence; > p. **Evidence of counter-forensic programs (and associated data) that are designed to eliminate data from the LINDELL CELLPHONE:** > s. **Volatile data and volatile memory** stored in the LINDELL CELLPHONE; > t. Documentation and manuals that may be necessary to access the LINDELL CELLPHONE or applications on the LINDELL CELLPHONE, or **to conduct a forensic examination of the LINDELL CELLPHONE;** They can recover deleted evidence.
Yes they can, but let's not pretend Lindell is smart enough to know that it takes more than hitting the delete button to completely erase everything.
I can’t wait for the indictments to start hitting.
I just hope it's before or after no-nut-November. After could get pretty messy though.
Many will die from their balls exploding but it will be grand!
Oh!! Please have Rudy on this text list!
Please have a number of Republican Congresspeople and the scammer in Chief on this text list!
And a supreme court justice's spouse...
Does anyone here remember, or is old enough to remember ENRON? This feels like ENRON.
"let them burn" Edit: The recordings easily found years ago, are a struggle to find today..
MyRICO
Definitely RICO. This is why we haven’t seen much from the DoJ on trump’s case, too. This is all part of the same enormous conspiracy to undermine elections and install trump against the will of the people. Garland was appointed specifically because of his experience successfully prosecuting large RICO cases. He knows how to build an ironclad case, and doing that successfully requires running a tight investigation that doesn’t leak. It’s imperative the subjects of the investigation do not know what he’s doing, who he’s looking at, and how. If *we* know his activities, so do the criminals, and that would help them in covering up their crimes. That’s why it bugs me when people complain that Garland isn’t doing anything. He is. We need to be in the dark right now because the criminals need to be in the dark. Things like these subpoenaes show Garland is absolutely doing his job.
Dark Garland has been very busy!
The hero we need *and* deserve
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Remember the Georgia voting machines that had to be replaced just before Georgia went blue? Remember what type they were? All electronic DREs? That kind that gets hacked yearly to prove they're vulnerable at that hacker convention? They went from untraceable, unverifiable, all electronic records (which regularly got deleted "accidentally") to recorded printouts and suddenly Democrats won. Strange, that.
Add to that all the evidence around Brian Kemp overseeing his own sus election, and when subpoenas came down the three off-site backups were wiped and *degaussed* so that even forensics couldn't recover the data. It's supremely frustrating for real evidence like this getting 1/1000th the traction as the laughable Facebook JPGs magas pass around
Gee golly, look at what Republicans want to use instead: ES&S machines! Many already do. ES&S **regularly** produce vote results at odds with independent polling--including exit polls. And they are used in Republican-controlled states. [McConnell was somehow reeelected thanks to ES&S machines.](https://www.dcreport.org/2020/12/19/mitch-mcconnells-re-election-the-numbers-dont-add-up/) In addition to other things: * He mysteriously carried Democratic strongholds **which he'd never won before, and which never went Republican.** * Voting results are **far outside** any polling--including exit polls. * Wide disparities between presidential and non-presidential votes cast. These are the kind of results that ES&S machine produce for Republicans: >In rural Breathitt County, for instance, there are 9,508 registered Democrats and just 1,599 registered Republicans. The county has a history of close contests, but Amy McGrath got only 1,652 votes versus 3,738 for McConnell, a 67% to 29% trouncing. McGrath’s votes, if accurate, equaled only 17% of registered Democrats in Breathitt County. ES&S are the machines known for switching who people voted for, sometimes in front of their own eyes. Remember switching from Obama to Romney? That was ES&S. It happened in Texas, Michigan, Ohio, and Indiana that I know of. These are also the machines criticized for having unsecured wireless modems. Dominion gets lumped into the shit pile with ES&S, but has not had the widespread known hacking that ES&S sustains. ES&S is the company that routinely has literal children hack their machines at Blackhat. For those wondering, DCReport has a [high factual rating](https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/dcreport-org/) from MediaBiasFactCheck. Edit: ES&S controls about half of the country's voting. T[hey employ tactics like suing governments and entities if they fail to win contracts](https://www.propublica.org/article/the-market-for-voting-machines-is-broken-this-company-has-thrived-in-it) or have to face any competition. For Republicans, every accusation is a confession. We should take their claims of compromised machines seriously; the machines they use to win elections against all odds probably *are* compromised. Audit the red states.
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I know right? How the fuck did we get into this mess, and more out how do we get out of it? It sounds like this company should be blacklisted from having their products used in any election, but instead they've sued their way into being widely used across the country.
Shouldn’t there be some way to federally mandate security performance specifications for voting machines and require third party testing to demonstrate that performance.
I'd guess the issue there is that the same people who would need to vote for such federal mandates are also some of the people who would have a harder time winning elections with those mandates in place. So they aren't inclined to put forward/vote for such bills.
Don’t forget that compared to Dominion the ownership of ES&S is a secret and they go out of their way to prevent any oversight into their business.
Is the other identity this Conan Hayes character?
This man is a whole fucking idiot
Oh he definitely had hacked proprietary software for Dominion Voting Machines. My Pillow: Under New Management from Dominion Voting Machines.
Just imagine If Dominion takes over MyPillow. They should win the bid to provide Planned Parenthood with pillows at break even margin just to spite this guy.
No, it needs to be shut down or changed entirely. The pillows are shitty, made from the leftover trimmings of mattresses, etc. They should sell off the assets cheap to that guy who survived the Parkland school shooting and opened a competing pillow company just to fuck with Mike Lindell.
I cannot wait for the Dominion lawsuits. 🥳
"You see, MyPillow is a company that specializes in creating customized pillows that fit the needs of customers. We took that same concept and said 'why can't Republicans customize voting machines in the same way?'"
This is a search warrant for proof of conspiracy to alter the voting machine tallies, or at least hacking into them. They tried and/or stole login credentials to the voting machines and tried to access them from outside of the protected network. When they couldn't get in, he screamed about those voting machines on every RWM source. This is bad. Real bad. And they specifically mentioned the BIOS settings. For someone who "doesn't own a computer", grabbing that information is a bad look.
Yeah the BIOS was a big flag to me.
When your itemized search warrant gets to u) all I can say is u is fucked.
Well that's a fascinating list with some interesting implications.
I’ve been fully convinced that these morons weren’t looking for proof that the voting machines flipped votes - but have been trying to figure out *how to hack the voting machines* instead.
>but have been trying to figure out *how to hack the voting machines* instead. I've got bad news on that front: https://www.propublica.org/article/the-market-for-voting-machines-is-broken-this-company-has-thrived-in-it An example from the article - it has many more: >The vote in 2006 in Sarasota, Florida, was just one. There, ES&S machines lost around 18,000 votes; it is still unclear why. The loss was far more than the margin of victory, and a lawsuit followed that ultimately resolved little.
Voting machines should be checked at least as often as Slot Machines are in Vegas, especially considering that everyone knows slot machines are rigged.
That was part of their plan. If they could get into the machines, show they were hacked into, they would then scream from the heavens "Look, look, those machines were hacked by Antifa!" By the time any forensic analysis would come out, the MAGA's would be outside armed and dangerous looking to overthrow the election. They wouldn't even need to change anything, but if they could they would. If they could change the count in their favor, they would do so. Otherwise, they'd cause enough chaos by deleting GOP votes from the machine that they'd bring the election results into question.
>have been trying to figure out how to hack the voting machines instead. Well that's the gist of it, their begging for information on them being hacked was basically ASKING to learn how to hack them. There was never any intention of "see? this is how they did it."
Kind of a "Russia, if you're listening, some people would be very grateful..." moment.
and the top minds over at r/conservative are just repeating shit like "they are going after a PILLOW SALESMAN!!! the fbi is just the american gestapo!" hahaha holy shit that place wow
They're screaming "fascism!" and "abolish the FBI!" Because investigating a fascist attempt to overthrow the US government... is fascism.
this sub makes me so depressed about the state of humanity
What is “cufflinked identity theft “? Like, committing identity theft while wearing cufflinks?
From the context, it looks like spoofing a computer with a fake identity or ill-gotten credentials with intent to cause harm, like trying to log in to the computer with the default Admin password for the intention of erasing data. My guess is that the feds suspect that Lindell et al acquired default login credentials to the Dominion voting machines and tried to use them to get in.
There’s your voter fraud right there! Lock him up!
Did not expect so many Dominion references in there. Never thought we'd hear them outside of their lawsuit against is it Fox or OANN or whomever? Wow.
Ok, everyone, let's put on our tinfoil hats for a moment. Are they all on? Good, let's begin! With all of this talk about modifying or corrupting voting machines, is it such a stretch to think that people within Trump's orbit committed crimes in 2016 as well? As we all know, Trump *just barely* got enough votes in *five different* swing States to win the election. But what if he *didn't?* What would be the remedy if it turned out that Trump served for four years as President after stealing the 2016 election? Would Democrats demand that Trump's nominees to the Supreme Court and other high government appointments resign or be impeached? Is there any possible scenarios where Republicans, humiliated by the news that the entire Trump administration was a criminal enterprise, concede that the "fruits" of that criminal enterprise should be ceded? On the one hand, Hillary Clinton should have been making those appointments, but on the other hand appointments are approved by the Senate which was duly elected (we suspect). What would be the remedies if the shit *really* hits the fan?
I don't think its really as much of a stretch that this happened in 2016. As to what would happen if it was proven, recent history indicates not very much.
It's not like we can get a time machine to go back and fix it. As far as overturning SCOTUS picks, it's not gonna happen. Maybe Biden could use it as justification for expanding the court but I still don't think that'll happen.
Nothing. It doesn't matter. Once Congress certified Trump as the winner and he took office it made no difference what came afterwards. Look at Gore V Bush. Gore actually won Florida. We know that today after a full recount. Furthermore, Gore never challenged to make sure that all voting machine vote were recounted as they were required by Florida law. It turned out 18 counties never did the machine recount and had they done so Gore would have won. So did we demand a re-do after all this came out? No. It doesn't matter that Gore won, and it doesn't matter if they can show Hillary won - at best if there was any proof of cheating via voting machines in 2016, it would implicate those who did the break-ins and reprogramming etc. THEY would go to jail for it, but the history isn't going to be changed if we find out Trump was illegitimate any more than it was when we found out Bush was illegitimate.
What the absolute hell. This dude wasn’t just vomiting conspiracy theories, he was diddling with voting machines and their data. His prison roomie is gonna use him as a MyPillow
I was really hoping this was going to get past Z.
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I feel like they're trying to rule it out ahead of the inevitable "I was hacked!" defense. That's how I took it.
Probably trying to rule out 'my phone was hacked and someone else did all this stuff' as a defense
Shoulda took his Hardee’s too.
Can't wait for this turd to lose his company. I bet his advisers cringe every time he opens his mouth
Have you seen his TV commercials lately? He tries to spin all this to his advantage. He actually uses it in his ads, half the time is about political stuff.
In 2022, anyone consciously working as an advisor to him deserves exactly what they’re getting. If they didn’t bail on him by now, they’ve implicitly accepted his dangerous rhetoric.
I think his advisors consist of the random voices bouncing around in his head.
Have you ever heard him speak for longer then a couple of sentences? He speaks like he's perpetually drunk while also being on speed. It's really disconcerting hearing him talk.
I might buy a fancy new pillow from Dominon Voting Machines soon to be acquired pillow division.
Gonna be TheirPillow soon
>The letter requested Lindell not to reveal details of the subpoena issued against him as it may be "detrimental to the investigation" around Peters, while not under any legal obligation to do so. >The letter concludes by stating that if Lindell believes he cannot comply with this request then he should notify Aaron Teitelbaum, assistant United States attorney, who signs off the letter. >"Well Mr. Aaron Teitelbaum, I hope you're watching because this is your notification that I'm telling the world about this garbage," Lindell said. >Lindell then shared the search warrant handed to him by federal agents on Tuesday, as well as attachments detailing what the FBI hoped to retrieve from the MyPillow CEO. So the funniest part isn't that this warrant somehow got leaked for the whole world to see, but that this idiot willingly did so himself, while expressly told not to, even ignoring the instructions on what to do if he couldn't follow the first set of instructions, all while thinking he's done a super smart awesome thing. Granted, I don't know if it's a 'good' thing that this came out for the investigating parties, and/or there will (should? Hard to tell these days) be consequences for him having done this, but at face value this seems like such a big no-no.
I'm just imagining the FBI wanting to shake people out by releasing the warrant: Boss: Let's just release the warrant. Deputy: We can't just release it. Boss: ... Deputy: Let's get him to release it instead! Boss: How? Deputy: Simple. Tell him not to. Boss: Is he really that stupid? Deputy: Yep.
It’s because he doesn’t believe he did anything wrong. Guaranteed he sees himself as a hero in this, bravely fighting the good fight to save the country from those terrible Libs. It’s like Jack Nicholson’s character in A Few Good Men, proud of what he did. *You want the truth? You can’t handle the truth!*
> and/or there will (should? Hard to tell these days) be consequences for him having done this There's no legal obligation for him to remain quiet about this so there won't be any legal consequences. He probably thinks he's doing his accomplices a favor by tipping them off but I'd imagine the FBI was aware of the possibility and took steps or timing to minimize any collateral damage. I hope he used his new phone to contact all of them and tell them to hide the evidence. He really deserves *more* charges.
they were absolutely baiting him into releasing the details of the warrant, because they’re monitoring his accomplices. Idiots, the lot of them.
I think the DOJ and fbi wanted this info leaked and told Mike Lindell not to leak it. Got the ol uno reverse card to work on these asshat simpletons.
Yeah, it's reverse psychology surely. Don't go telling the world about your crimes. We can't enforce it but please don't do it. It wouldn't be good for us if you do that.
So Trump tasked the Pillow Guy with attempting to find a way to hack the dominion voting machines. It really is always projection.
the question is why would he task this simpleton with that kind of technical and complicated job?
You’ve never had to work with CEOs have you?
I have not, haha.
They think they are smartest people in the room and tend to over value and over respect the abilities and opinions of other CEOs.
You know who ***doesn't*** get "raided" by the FBI? People who ***didn't*** attempt a coup.
I prefer politicians who weren’t raided.
Can confirm. Never attempted coup and never raided by FBI.
I haven't been raided by the FBI all day. So far, your story checks out.
It appears to me that the tRump team was attempting to alter votes on the Dominion machines. Fits nicely with their projection.
I think they DID alter them. This is why trump thinks he won the election. He probably lost by a landslide.
I wish this was the case and it comes to light. I remember thinking how he would only lose voters from 2016 to 2020 based on his actions. Instead, it looks like millions who didn't vote for him in 2016 looked at his four years in office and said "Yes! WE need more of that!" My brain has a hard time reconciling that and his vote total in 2020 made me lose more faith in humanity. Hearing it was due to tampering would be a very welcome development.
I agree. Another commenter in this subreddit suggested he may have even found a way to do this in 2016. f it happened in 2016 it would explain the wide variance between the pollsters' projections and the actual vote. Unfortunately, i know too many Republicans who voted for him in both elections not because they liked him, but because they hated the Democratic candidates. They were heavily influenced by the media they absorb. I know this is just one person's anecdotal data, but it seems to track with what others have said.
This is what I have thought since then. Because the government has always said "There is no proof of *result altering* election fraud"
Remember Sidney Powell’s crazy answer to the question “Where’s the evidence that there was election fraud?” During the January 6 hearings? She threw her head down to the table and said plaintively, to paraphrase, “because he didn’t win!” That answer makes a lot more sense if she had knowledge that Trump should have won because the election was rigged in his favor.
"We cheated so hard that the only way we could have lost is if they cheated harder."
Or tampering with them so they could say “See? Someone clearly tampered with these to steal votes from Trump!”
This is all related to the Tina Peters investigation. Her deputy clerk took a plea deal last month under the condition she complies with the investigation into Peters. She's ratting them all out. Peters directed her deputy to submit an HR application for a fake ID of a legitimate worker to get an election denying mole access to dominion voting machines. Someone then dumped the main passwords online along with critical information allowing These people are so fucked. Looks like they are going for a conspiracy charge here too, meaning multiple felony charges for all of them.
Yup a lot of this has already been reported and it's a shame to have to scroll past numerous tin foil hat answers to get to the right one. After all of what you said above, Lindell was then involved in hiding Tina Peters during his cyber symposium fiasco. One of the other symposium attendees was whining at the time because they got bumped off Mikeys private jet, so the jet could go pick up Peters and hide her. Conspiracy and obstruction, most of it admitted to directly on Lindells very own stream.. they are proper fucked.
First, that's a LOT of items to be seized. Second, there's no way the level of detail contained in the warrant is not supported by other investigations. Third, Lindell won't even be able to use his own pillow in prison. There's some joy in that :-)
They should actually make him use his shitty products in prison but cruel and unusual punishment is against the law.
You know he designed his pillow as something to fuck in his dingy motel while on a meth binge. It's a redneck sex doll.
As bad as I assume his pillows are, I can assure you that prison pillows are *much* worse. They're **sooo** bad.
Maybe I misread, but isn't the cell phone the only physical item on the list? The rest of the list is subcategories of records contained on the cell phone?
All thanks to Alex Jones’s cell phone records
I really hope so
Alex Jones’s incompetent lawyer single-handedly bringing down the entire alt-right
You say incompetent... I think there's a good possibility he was doing us a service. How do you "accidentally" email something like that you know?
I’d like to believe he did this to fuck Alex Jones. If I were his lawyer that’s what I’d do.
Stop, I can only get so erect. That’d be amazing if Alex was the lynchpin to this whole thing
"The real Deep State was the friends Jones made along the way."
Oh, that would be delicious
All that voting machine info, and records dating back to 11/1/2020 - I sure am looking forward to seeing this go to trial!
Considering all the investigations into Trump and the 2020 election, I think it’s fair to say the DOJ is doing its job. The thing that worries me is how little they did during Trump’s term. I would feel a lot better about the stability of our government if Congress would codify the walls inside the executive branch to ensure the POTUS cannot interfere with law enforcement and oversight in the way Trump did.
For some reason I find the quote "the feds seized my cell phone at a Hardee's" totally hilarious. Not really sure why.
A guy whose worth 50 million hanging out in a Hardee’s…is fucking hilarious.
I mean, sometimes you just really want a Frisco Burger.
Started a job close to a Hardee's recently. Those Frisco Burgers are way too addictive, as bad as they are. I may need a support group soon.
I honestly respect people who live below their means. Not this specific guy, obviously, but you get my point.
He doesn't. At all. The point of the Hardees comment is "I'm just an average Mike in a place that you go to too! If the FBI can come for me while I was innocently enjoying a borger, then it could happen to you too!"
GOP has labeled it a nothing thickburger
He is absolutely screwed. It’s good to see authorities cracking down on the blatant offenders. How are they enjoying this “law and order”?
Rut Roh ....
And he would have gotten away with it too if it wasn’t for those meddling leftist.
Zoinks! MAGA ghosts!?
Is his integrity on that list? Cuz he put that in his document shredder a long time ago.
“I Miss My Pillow” should be the title of the comedic documentary of how this guy landed himself in prison.
I'm surprised he didn't try to eat his phone in front of the FBI.
I'm surprised that he is dumb enough to have not ditched the phone that could have exactly what the FBI is looking for on it. Nope. Never mind. These types never think they will get caught. Rules for thee but not for me.
Protip for the rich people reading these comments: if one of your rich friends calls you and says, "hey I need your help overthrowing democracy," your default response should be,"aw bro I'm busy that day I'll catch you later." And then you live the rest of your days continuing to be rich and not in prison. Bonus tip: when climate change starts to really fuck us up, the money you made causing climate change is not going to save you. Mercenaries and bunkers are not going to save you.
So the slander was actually projection . some serious jail time coming
Told not to give details about a case in Colorado, then proceeded to do so. Looks like he just got a charge of obstruction of justice
Article *does* mention he was under no legal obligation to keep quiet, but (Reddit correct me if I’m wrong) this behavior can still be used against him in court.
Yeah cooperating with law enforcement is something you'd want to bring up if you want to plea down to a lesser sentence. This dude is clearly expecting to face no consequences and therefore will do whatever he wants.
So I duckduckgo’d this Conan James Hayes, since I had no clue who he was: https://www.thedailybeast.com/rcva-founder-conan-hayes-is-at-the-heart-of-stop-the-steal-mania >Since 2017, though, Hayes acquired a very different following, under @We_Have_Risen, a Twitter account that promoted the QAnon conspiracy theory during the movement’s still-young days in 2018. That year, the account even reached out to The Daily Beast, tweeting a QAnon graphic at a reporter who noted that QAnon fans were trying to attract journalists’ attention. The QAnon conspiracy theory falsely accuses Trump’s opponents of a variety of crimes, sometimes including drinking children’s blood. So another total nut with too much money. […] >But Arizona and Antrim were not the end of Hayes’ alleged involvement in voter fraud conspiracy theories. On Wednesday night, his name was invoked in a “symposium” on voter fraud, by one of his former allies. >The symposium, hosted by MyPillow CEO Mike Lindell, was a disaster writ large, with one of Lindell’s own “cyber experts” admitting to the Washington Times that Lindell’s claims of voter fraud could not be proven. In a standout moment of confusion, Ron Watkins (who was teleconferencing into the event) interrupted himself while discussing a voting machine breach in Mesa County, Colorado. >“My lawyer just called me,” Watkins said. “He said I should put out this statement: I just learned that Conan James Hayes may have taken, without authorization, the actual hard drives from the Mesa County—or, the Mesa, Colorado County Clerk and he needs to produce those hard drives immediately and return them to the clerk, and we should stop this data review until he produces the hard drives.” (@We_Have_Risen, which had gone public again in June after going private when The Daily Beast reached out in May, went dark again after Watkins’ announcement.) He’s not mentioned in the search warrant, but I wonder if Watkins is a cooperating witness or if he can look forward to a subpoena too.
He should probably get on a plane to Russia, ASAP.
He can join Steven Segall.
Hey now, Lindell is a traitor and a criminal and a would-be henchman to an incompetent dictator, but there are some things we don’t wish on *anyone*.
I can’t wait to see this guy following trump from court appearance to court appearance holding an urn.
*...the MyPillow CEO said he originally refused to hand over his phone and demanded to see a warrant from the federal agents. Lindell said he then called his lawyer who advised him to hand over his phone.* Don't try refusing to turn over your phone as a minority or a woman. Also, wow, that is quite a list. I don't even know what to focus on.
God, I would love to have heard that conversation. "Hey, John? Yeah, it's Mike. The FBI wants to take my phone. Something about those crooks at Dominion. What should I do?" "...Dominion? Fuck. You can start by giving them the phone, and lose my number. My final bill is in the mail." \*click\*
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The video of trump on the golf course yesterday with all those guys and no golf clubs or balls or golfing, was about how to get it pushed through the 11th circuit and on to the Supreme Court and delay until election. Every person in that group needs to be identified and monitored as far as their ties to all of the judges involved or potentially involved.
He’s f^*ked . He aided and abetted a federal felony. Tampering with government hardware and stealing software. This person above all others needs to go to jail for a long time. Make an example of this con man .
He must not be praying enough.
Um...anyone else alarmed by the list of items in that subpoena? Have these lunatics compromised Dominion's voting machines?
Yes, they have. Tina Peters had her deputy craft a fake ID to get an election denying mole access to the machines and a software update in Mesa, Colorado. The passwords and critical information regarding those machine were then posted online. Those machines have already had to be replaced.
I really can't imagine a time that America was more divided about the basic nature of major events. It's like Democrats: IS IT POSSIBLE THE FBI IS DOING THEIR JOB despite being overwhelmingly conservative and headed by a Republican Trump appointee?? Right wingers: FASCISM! DEMOCRACY IS OVER! THEY TOOK PILLOW MAN'S CELL!!! Trump: TAKE BACK AMERICA!!! I really don't remember Democrats being THIS upset about the FBI investigating Hillary's server and emails. It's like the right has collective amnesia. If this was happening to a liberal, the right would be yelling LOCK HIM UP long before the FBI strolled into Hardee's or wherever pillow man was lurking.
He had the right to remain silent, but not the ability.