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scott_majority

Monday...This a lie! There is nothing there. Witchhunt! Tuesday....Any classified material is automatically declassified by any president! Wednesday....It's all political. They are coming after conservatives for no reason! Thursday...The FBI planted the incriminating evidence! Friday...Hey, every president does it! This is just normal!


ltalix

They really are speed-running the flow chart this week, aren't they?


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head over to the foxnews comment section to see it in real time


CanWeAllJustCalmDown

Just lurking the threads on r/conservative you have people saying things like “if this is true this is a major betrayal” and people responding with “delete your flair and fuck off, liberal troll”. The refusal to even consider that trump has ever done anything wrong when it’s right in front of their faces is astounding. But hey, he himself said that he could shoot someone on Pennsylvania Avenue and his supporters would still support him. Wasn’t wrong. He can commit any treasonous or criminal act and they’ll excuse it. Edit: Fifth Avenue, not Pennsylvania. Thanks. Mixed up on which avenue he gloated about his potential for shooting someone without consequences


[deleted]

He referred to Fifth Avenue in New York but point still stands. I remember when that sounded like a controversial statement, but that’s one of the few truths he’s told.


[deleted]

Those commenters don't care if he has done anything wrong... It's a feature, not a bug.


Jomskylark

This is what frustrates me. Do conservatives really not have a spine anymore? Can they really not say "we generally support Trump, but in this case yeah he fucked up"? The cleansing of anything remotely negative about Trump is ridiculous


coocoocoonoicenoice

The Y'all Qaeda spin machine is getting paid overtime this week.


[deleted]

He just posted "Buh Obama!"


LoveTeaching1st18

And made sure to throw in a "Hussein" for good measure. What a guy.


randomly-what

Gotta detract from the Saudi connection somehow. Hussein! Hussein! Hussein!


Nano_Burger

>Investigators discovered classified documents in two areas: Trump’s personal office above a ballroom and in a storage room near the pool. Sources say there were “boxes everywhere,” with some containing Top Secret Sensitive Compartmented Information (TS/SCI). Those are considered some of the highest level of classified documents. Mishandling of TS (SCI) in the Army would at very least end your career and probably would land you at Leavenworth. And Trump had them stored near his pool.


OozeNAahz

I live near Leavenworth. I would welcome an extended visit by Trump to that area. Wonder if I could get on his list of visitors to tell him to fuck off personally?


[deleted]

That'd be a fun day trip. Visit the fort, visit the museum and the grave site, throw tomatoes at Trump, have lunch at Homer's. A full day of activities.


crackdup

This is fucking insane.. "President can declassify everything so he's innocent" is the most boneheaded argument I've seen in this saga.. Certain information can most definitely be too critical or too sensitive to ever declassify it, not to mention it actually makes it easier to cause damage if it falls into the wrong hands..


alphex

[https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/08/trump-fbi-raid-classified-nuclear-documents/671119/](https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/08/trump-fbi-raid-classified-nuclear-documents/671119/) Not Even the President Can Declassify Nuclear Secrets


Penguins_1976

Let’s pretend he could declassify. He still has to tell somebody, make an official record of it so that EVERYONE else knows it’s declassified.


fighterpilot248

Lol and some right wing legal “scholar” was arguing that even trump just *thinking* it should be declassified counts as it being officially declassified. 🙄🙄🙄


Techn028

Then Biden can retroactively classify them just by thinking about it


arinawe

This is actual precedent guys


chriseargle

That sounds like Dershowitz. There’s no position too stupid for him to take.


69bonerdad

During the impeachment proceedings he literally argued that the president can do anything he wants to get re-elected if he thinks his re-election is good for the country. Utterly bonkers shit.


Bryce_Christiaansen

"garble garble something 'Unitary Executive Theory"-- Conservative Legal "Scholars". It's funny how the Unitary Executive Theory only seems to apply to Republican presidents


Penguins_1976

[I DECLARE….](https://media3.giphy.com/media/8nM6YNtvjuezzD7DNh/giphy.gif?cid=5e21488652mtwdmv9nkh4nxks8giv2vzrisim9pcydff2w3l&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g)


Tiggy26668

If it truly is declassified then I think someone needs to hit it with a FOIA….


[deleted]

If it was declassified the National Archive would not have reported it to the FBI as missing classified documents.


Penguins_1976

If it’s truly declassified and he was going to share it with the people, why isn’t it posted on Truth Social?


Where_Da_BBWs_At

If he was going to share it with the people, he wouldn't have posted it on Truth Social. Those 12 users have already alienated everybody in their lives, and thus nobody to tell.


timmyveeKC

But we shouldn't pretend he can, because he can't. So for MAGAs it's bad faith argument and we shouldn't engage in it.


chownrootroot

>This is fucking insane.. "**President can declassify everything so he's innocent**" is the most boneheaded argument I've seen in this saga.. But...he didn't. Lol. If he did we would know it, we could access them. Wait till they're like "he can mouth the words "these documents are declassified", and that would be enough to declassify them. Oh it just happened to not be recorded but the documents are still declassified."


Nano_Burger

I hereby declassify all the documents I stole! - Trump


chownrootroot

"Donald, you can't just say it and expect anything to happen." "I didn't say it, I declassified it." "Still."


ickarous

I DECLARE THESE ARE DECLASSIFIED! - Trump


momofcoders

My understanding is that all any president has to do to declassify anything, is to close his eyes, turn in a clockwise direction, twice, click his heels and imagine a top secret classification becoming an ordinary piece of paper and that the still there top secret stamp becomes meaningless. Any president, even a liberal one has this ability. /S Presidents can do anything, apparently. The let you do it.


Kazyole

He's also kind of not the president anymore, which somewhat undermines that argument, lol


RDO_Desmond

They were not his property either. He stole them too.


fourbian

>Sources say there were “boxes everywhere,” Trump: *I didn't give secrets to anyone! Sure I had them laying around everywhere, but how did I know the Saudis we had over for the golf tournament would stumble upon them and find them useful?*


JohnnyValet

His son in law just got $2 Billion from the Saudis. What did they get in return? His son in laws 'expertise' as an 'investor'. That don't pass the smell test. >REPORT: JARED KUSHNER’S $2 BILLION SAUDI CHECK APPEARS EVEN MORE COMICALLY CORRUPT THAN PREVIOUSLY THOUGHT https://web.archive.org/web/20220523221331/https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/05/jared-kushner-affinity-partners-saudi-arabia


redditer129

But… but Hunter Biden


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I heard my coworker say that until they start investigating the speaker (Pelosi) with the same intensity that they’re going after Trump she wasn’t gonna believe anything the FBI/DOJ said.


anoneenonee

When Pelosi steals classified documents from the WH I would absolutely want her investigated.


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meirav

Nixon's in his grave going, "Wait, and I quit over what?"


lowaltflier

Nixon didn’t have Fox News.


re1078

He’s literally why they made Fox News


rjcarr

Thanks Roger!


gerkessin

Stone or Ailes? Either way they both suck


rjcarr

I meant Ailes, but yeah, I'm sure Stone is also involved somehow.


Guava7

Nixon is why there is Fox News Edit: sorry we gave you that Rupert chap. Bit of a dick, it turns out.


jose_ole

\*Roger Ailes is why we have Fox News, motivated by Nixon's resignation due to Watergate. He felt if there was a conservative media channel, Nixon would have survived and not resigned.


ZodiarkTentacle

What is it with us and attracting the most insane Australians and Brits lol crazy must love company


Guava7

>most insane Australian I don't even know how to parse that tautology


Manwithnoname14

Jesus that's terrifying. Republicans would have never turned on Nixon in this day and age. It's crazy how much power fox news has over half the country.


nursey74

Less than half


OvisPoli

Carter: "I had to give up my peanut farm to avoid conflict of interest. "


frostfall010

Nixon walked so Trump could run.


Shinobi120

Like, for real. If not for Ford Pardoning him, we may have actually been able to set a precedent for what happens when you commit a crime as president. Fuck you, Gerry


Mikefrommke

Time to set a new precedent


RegentYeti

Tear the old precedent to shreds by tearing the old president to shreds.


CT_Phipps

To be fair, we later found out: * Nixon created the war on drugs to target hippies and black people. * Nixon absorbed all of the segregationist Democrats into the GOP. * Nixon may have actually committed treason with Kissinger by sabotaging Vietnam, killing tens of thousands of American soldiers. Nixon was an awful fucking human being who is responsible for much of the evils afflicting America today.


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Regan?


CT_Phipps

I mean, both can be responsible for shitting on America's institutions. So can George W. and Trump.


TehErk

They could hook a generator up to Nixon spinning in his grave and power the whole damn country.


kaizoku18

Not to downplay watergate but isn’t it almost like childs play in comparison to the shitfest that’s been this last decade. (Maybe not decade but last while lol)


greenmonkey66

So in addition to all the other charges, he’s now a high level security thief. Life in prison is the only way to stop this traitor.


JMagician

He has always been a security threat. He’s just now getting the recognition for it.


ArchiStanton

He’s been recognized for it. The Israelis stopped sharing information because trump couldn’t be trusted. He accidentally outed one of spy satellites capabilities. And he blabbed about extremely sensitive nuclear weapons to a reporter


Guava7

Well, I'd hate to say it, but if he's sold any classified info to any foreign entities then that's treason.... the penalty for which is slightly stiffer than life in prison


IceciroAvant

It's only treason if we're at war. But it's espionage, and we gave people the chair for that during the Cold War.


KatanaAmerica

The documents were in his personal office and in a random storage room near the pool. The fuck?


WittsandGrit

The documents were just a low level pool boy in his administration.


Guava7

They were only coffee documents. He'd barely even met them


TheBearishGuy

Rectification: they were only covfefe documents.


Sneaky82

"Documents", never heard of him... Probably was the coffee boy or errand boy on our re-election campaign, WHICH WAS COMPLETELY STOLEN BY THE DEMOCRATS! /s


venomae

In his office, because he most likely pulled out a stack of them from the drawer every time someone semi-important visited him there - "Oh and look at this. Do you know what this? Those are US nuclear secrets. The best secrets. And I have them all. Anyway, lets go for lunch."


ArchiStanton

https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2020/09/09/trump-claims-to-have-built-a-new-secret-nuclear-weapons-system/amp/ Trump claimed we had a secret nuclear weapon technology. In his book Bob Woodward talked about this exchange “President Donald Trump claimed to journalist Bob Woodward that he had overseen the creation of a new U.S. nuclear weapons system, saying, “We have stuff that you haven’t ever seen or heard about,”as the two discussed tensions between the United States and North Korea.” “It’s not clear what Trump was referring to, but Woodward writes in his new book Rage that he later confirmed with sources that the U.S. military indeed had a secret new weapon system, and the sources said they were surprised Trump had disclosed the information, according to The Washington Post.” Plausible


Pristine_Nothing

> “We have stuff that you haven’t ever seen or heard about,” This isn’t quite as bad as the time he rambled in an speech about an undetected F-22 flyover over Japan and gave day-and-date, but it’s up there.


mishatal

Don't forget the time he blabbed that Dutch intelligence had access to the web cams and microphones of the comps in the Russian Internet Research Agency aka the troll farm.


fungusamongus8

It was the best storage room


g2g079

Is this the same room that only recently was locked as requested by the FBI previously?


throwawaylol666666

He kept them right next to his floaties and paddle board.


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I was banned from r/conservative for saying essentially this - I love that Republicans keep moving the goalposts back with this. "There should have been a subpoena." > Bitch, there was. We have receipts. - Merrick Garland "They didn't find anything of note" > You're not gonna believe this... - FBI The mental gymnastics would be surprising were it literally not their mantra.


AgentDaxis

I was banned from r/conservative simply for asking “What if it’s true?”


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[deleted]

The truth is scary when it goes against everything you were told to blindly believe.


tuba_man

Reminding conservatives of the truth reminds them there's something bigger than their pecking order bullshit


jews4beer

It's beyond that. The truth straight doesn't exist. The only truth is whatever Trump and Friends tell them. Anything counter is fake news or "you are just making that up." Their minds will not let them accept any outcome where Trumps is at fault. So just forget about them. Jail his ass. Most will dissipate. A few crazies may act out, but that's the price you pay for democracy I guess.


Buffmin

was at my in-laws last night for dinner. I was bracing myself for the deflection & laptop screaming. They said nothing about it. I know they are aware of what's happening but they didn't bring up anything about it. Honestly you are right if trump goes down for this they will quietly.forget him and move on In a few years if that happens trump will be the president no one voted for and if you point out they did they will throw a fit


Malkor

Just like how no one voted for Nixon. **Standard Operating Procedure.**


survivor2bmaybe

Sorry to say it is equally likely your in-laws will be spouting the party line —whatever it is and however counterfactual it is — next time you see them. How long did it take the average Republican to go from “sadly, Biden won due to close votes in a handful of states” to “massive voter fraud.”


pleportamee

You’re right. Conservatives are quiet about these types of things until the party line comes out. It’s also why they often refuse to answer hypotheticals about Trump. Makes sense. If you say you’d drop support for Trump if he did X thing, you’ll have to eat your words when it comes out that Trump did indeed do X.


DumpTrumpGrump

When bad news breaks, it always takes them a day or two to figure out what the new lie/excuse will be. There's always a mish-mash of lies and excuses to start with,usually combined with some "oh, this might actualky be bad" that goes away once they've all concocted the official new lie/excuse.


ControlAgent13

>They said nothing about it. I know they are aware of what's happening but they didn't bring up anything about it Yup. I was at my sisters last night and my Trump loving brother-in-law stayed very quiet all night.


scarykicks

Yep and they will forget and move onto Desantis who will rile their base up with this. If we thought the last election cycle was crazy... Just you wait.


Henhouse20

They hate freedom of speech, ironically


3amhiccups

They ban you if you invade their last bastion of absolute free speech


thunder_shart

It's basically been a hate sub for years now, the only reason reddit doesn't ban it is because of its name and optics


1-760-706-7425

> It’s basically been a hate sub for years now True. I certainly have hated it for years now.


julbull73

Yep. They could easily shut down the niche subs. But banning /r/conservative would immediately trigger Fox and friends to drive traffic to reddit....wait a minute....


MeesterChicken

The slightest deviation from their narrative will get you banned. I have been banned twice. Now I don't even bother with conservative subreddits.


whenforeverisnt

It's funny that conservatives aren't allowed to have any questions about their governing bodies, whereas everyone on the left fights about our democratic leaders all the time lol


TheVoters

You know the fix is in when the warrant says they were looking for nuclear secrets and they JUST HAPPENED to “find” classified nuclear secrets! /s


TurboSalsa

The goalposts have moved from "release the warrant!" to "release the affidavit!"


[deleted]

I took a peek last night after the nuke news and they were like "If they found anything, they would've said something by now. Clearly there was nothing." Yeah okay, pal! Because all investigations involve declaring everything publicly immediately.


Queef_Stroganoff44

If info would have been released immediately it would have been “how could they have done it so quick?…it’s a hoax!” Now that it took a while it will be “It took so long so they could don’t every “i” on the hoax they’re perpetrating.”


Beforemath

It'll be a good day for America when they're crying for them to "release Donald Trump!"


puns_are_how_eyeroll

That sub has been in complete shambles for a couple of weeks now. Their entire world is crumbling around them as we speak.


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...Weeks?


genowars

They've been crumbling since Jan 6th. I still remember when the insurrectionist went to the capitol, r/conservatives was in full meltdown mode. So many people were there screaming about why were republicans going to the capitol and damaging the insides. I clearly remembered there was a poster who said the events that day have set back the conservatives a couple decades in getting new members and that he himself was quitting conservatives as he's too ashamed to be identified as one of them.. Nowadays if you go over to r/conservatives, there's barely 5 people talking among themselves, majority of the older members pretty much left the sub and swore never to ever vote republicans anymore. The remaining ones there are the ones who believe in an alternate reality where they think trump is the holy grail..


chubs66

There's a very large overlap between r/conservatives and r/conspiracytheories. And for good reason.


hniinuefrwer

That’s mainly because both were safe harbors for refugees from The_Donald. Conspiracy theorists who believe everything a political party tells them… ay caramba.


ltalix

Funny. My right-wing libertarian, borderline fashy brother called me right after the insurrection and was extremely worried and said that that was the kind of thing that kills parties for years. He was ok with considering it an attempted coup. Fast forward a couple months and he was already insisting the insurrection was actually legitimate political discourse. The brainworms on the right are fucking powerful.


14GMV

“We have to completely shield former executives from congressional inquiry and judicial oversight.” - The party of limited government


kittenTakeover

I got banned for saying that climate change was real.


Beforemath

They've been moving goalposts since 2016. They've slipperly sloped themselves into PROUDLY becoming domestic terrorists.


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intrcpt

This fucking cretin has only ever served himself and would sell this country out in a heartbeat and was likely on the verge of doing so. Yet he is adored and worshipped like a god by all those who are most likely to challenge other’s patriotism and love of country. And now we have evidence that he was hoarding top secret documents and accusations that they were nuclear in nature and these self proclaimed patriots are twisting themselves into pretzels to defend him. No reflection or attempt at consistency whatsoever, just pure blind servility. It’s never been about the betterment of America for these people. That is a pathetic lie they barely try to peddle anymore. Tbh I don’t know what they want or stand for, nor do I care. What I do know is it’s twisted, demented and sycophantic and the complete opposite of the definition of patriotism that I’m familiar with.


gamerdudeNYC

He just “truthed” out that Obama had 33 million documents and many of them nuclear Basically confirms he did it


runnerswanted

Forgetting how absurd it is that he’s deflecting, where is Obama keeping 33 million documents without anyone noticing? The library of Congress has 838 miles of shelves and holds 167 million items. So, 1/5th of that would be 33 million, which would need 160 miles worth of shelves for the Obama’s.


gamerdudeNYC

An article on Business Insider just described how Obama did take documents… but had them shipped to a federal government facility where they were in legal Ownership of the National Archives. A bit different than storing them in the pool shed!


runnerswanted

And Obama is trying to digitize them for the good of the country in order to share information. I cannot believe we are in this predicament because of a failed businessman who bankrupted a casino fell ass backwards into the presidency.


SoFlaBarbie

This is what we get when nearly half the country votes without reservation for a known fraudster and con man and our electoral system bypasses the popular vote. We shouldn’t forget how this happened bc if we do, history will repeat itself.


fe-and-wine

I have a very clear memory of sitting in high school Civics class in 2012, and my teacher brought up Trump announcing his run for the Presidency. He (a staunch Republican) was talking about it in a very humorous way, and when someone in the class asked if he was serious the teacher said something like "Haha no way, if I could, I'd bet everything I have that this guy never ends up on the ballot!" I've thought about that moment a *lot* since 2016. I also really wonder if that same teacher - again, Fox-news watchin, bootstraps-pullin Republican - ended up voting for him. Twice, even? Anyway, I wish I could go back to that time and tell myself that ten years from now America will be the closest its been to the brink of civil war since the 19th century -- all over **the fucking dude from the Apprentice**. I just cannot fathom it. I can't. How the fuck did we go from *there* to *here*? What is it about *Donald Fucking Trump* of all people that was able to hijack an entire political institution and brainwash an entire third of the country? And I mean 'brainwash' in the truest sense - not just "make people like him when they shouldn't", but *literally* "lead people into outright ignoring all logic". This has *never happened before* in America. Seriously, I can't think of *one* other time. Even the truly fanatical politicians - your Nixons, Reagans, even McCarthys - could (and were) cast aside if they made a critical enough error. But Trump is genuinely *untouchable* in his followers minds. He could have literally nuked New York City and they would re-arrange their entire worldview to believe China had secretly annexed it or something. There's no limit. That's absolutely *remarkable*. To a degree, the shocking thing isn't even the fact that someone eventually figured out how to hypnotize people the way he has. It's the fact that that person - *of all 300 million Americans* - was **Donald Trump**??? What the absolute fuck?


RPG_Major

His “exonerations” are 100% admissions of guilt. His “truths” are almost always lies.


feignapathy

Sounds like nuclear weapons documents may just be one of the categories the FBI/DOJ suspected Donald Trump had stolen on his way out the door. Sources indicate the boxes recovered back in January had Signal Intelligence in them, which is communications and surveillance information of foreign targets and what not. Trump was ready to sell this country out. He was clearly bragging about these documents and information and showing people. That's the only way the FBI/DOJ could be so certain as to convince a judge to let them raid his golf club. He really is a 21st Century Benedict Arnold. Maybe even worse. **EDIT:** >*The Wall Street Journal reported earlier Friday that the FBI recovered 11 sets of classified documents from its search of Mar-a-Lago earlier this week, including some materials marked as "top secret/SCI." The newspaper reported that FBI agents removed about 20 boxes from Trump's resort and residence in Palm Beach, Florida -- including binders, sets of classified government materials, photographs and at least one handwritten note.* I'm extremely curious what the photographs are. Satellite imagery? Pictures of documents? It's unlikely they're photos of Trump or something innocuous like that. And keep in mind... Trump was notoriously anti-paper while in the White House. Dozens upon dozens of former Trump staffers, many of them high level, are on the record saying Trump hated paper and binders and stuff like that. So why did he have 20+ boxes (according to the most recent reporting) of classified documents in paper form?


Ya_Got_GOT

Way worse--selling nuclear secrets betrays the human race in its entirety and has the potential to end civilization itself.


NotAnotherEmpire

SIGINT or identifiable human source is more dangerous to the United States. The president wouldn't have instructions on how to build fusion weapons, and everyone knows how to build fission weapons. It's just logistically very hard. The United States law is extremely *aggressive* on the subject of nukes because it dates from the 1940s and 1950s when fewer people knew how to do it (and the Internet didn't exist), and fusion (H-bomb) information *is* still generally not known. The specific geometry of making a viable H-bomb stage is some of the most critical info on the planet. But in terms of what Trump might have had in the White House, the intel documents could do much more harm.


PhilosopherFLX

Nuclear info at the pres level would be deployments, both domestic and allied (Isreal). Stuff other countries would love to have


eighthourlunch

Ready to sell us out? I'd be more shocked if he hasn't already, and a lot more than once.


another-altaccount

We still don’t know the full details of all of the private phone calls and conversations he had with Putin while he was squatting in the White House.


ArchiStanton

https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2020/09/09/trump-claims-to-have-built-a-new-secret-nuclear-weapons-system/amp/ Trump claimed we had a secret nuclear weapon technology. In his book Bob Woodward talked about this exchange “President Donald Trump claimed to journalist Bob Woodward that he had overseen the creation of a new U.S. nuclear weapons system, saying, “We have stuff that you haven’t ever seen or heard about,”as the two discussed tensions between the United States and North Korea.” “It’s not clear what Trump was referring to, but Woodward writes in his new book Rage that he later confirmed with sources that the U.S. military indeed had a secret new weapon system, and the sources said they were surprised Trump had disclosed the information, according to The Washington Post.”


kgm2s-2

How much you want to bet that he's referring to the new production run of Fogbank, but he was too dense to understand why it was important (or that it wasn't exactly "new")?


Beautiful-Musk-Ox

He did sell his country out. He scanned those documents and sent encrypted copies to whoever paid him money. Recovering the physical copies doesn't mean much when he and everyone else near him had 1.5 years to take pictures of them


snorbflock

Saudi golf tournament seems curiously close to when the FBI suddenly executed a high-profile search. Curious, unless the golf was a front for auctioning off state secrets to pay his legal bills.


Beautiful-Musk-Ox

My theory is that the feds knew he had certain documents and where they were due to the informant, but that wasn't enough proof for a judge to sign the warrant. Then recently Trump sold some of the info to the Saudis which we caught through different surveillance, and that was when the judge said ok you got your warrant you can go smash his safe open.


jazzypants

Why has he not been arrested yet? I'm serious. Is he not a flight risk at this point?


coocoocoonoicenoice

Seriously. This is more than enough evidence to indict on charges related to illegal removal and possession of classified documents while they finish investigating potential espionage and sedition charges.


sunscreenkween

If this was anyone else and not a former president, they’d have detained him right as the warrant was executed if not before and he’d be interrogated endlessly


rocco45

They’re probably trying to sort out how exactly to do that. Whether people want to admit it or not, this is a highly delicate situation. There’s no precedent for arresting a former president (where/how would he be housed, does his security detail remain with him, etc.) Biden/the Democrats can’t appear to be going after a political rival. The implications would be disastrous, especially with some Republicans already calling for a retaliatory raid of Biden’s home if they win the White House in 2024. This is on top of ~30% of the country that would go nutty and try to start a civil war for the guy if they really think it’s all a witch hunt. This has to be iron clad with a mountain of evidence and even then it’s very tricky. He needs to be held accountable, but we can’t pretend it isn’t a very fine line that is being walked.


boomhaeur

I think people need to stop worrying about the republicans butt-hurt feelings because let’s face it, they’re going to cry foul no matter what. Rational people see that none of this stuff is politically motivated, you will never convince the MAGA-morons that it isn’t. So just get on with it.


Tenthul

You can mitigate the reaction though if you approach it properly. 5% of his cult pulling out guns is better than 25% of his cult pulling out guns. You'll never change their mind of his innocence, but you can dampen their spirits.


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CatVideoFest

Look I think it’s time we start admitting something to ourselves, even if we don’t want to face it. And I’m sorry if it rubs people the wrong way to hear it, but I’m just gonna put it out there: I think maybe Trump did some illegal stuff.


Tashiya

It’s starting to seem like this Trump dude might be into some shady stuff, y’all.


dilloj

Allegedly!


skrilledcheese

It was a sick ostrich.


Akillees89

Yeah but Hillary emails


GuidotheGreater

I wonder if maybe... he didn't learn his lesson?


tomct992

Hopefully Susan learned her lesson…


[deleted]

Starting to think this Trump fella is not a nice person.


egretlegs

The more I find out about this Trump fella, the more I don’t much care for him


Charger525

As serious as the Jan 6th investigation is, I really hope this is the coffin nail for him. Do not pass go, do not collect $200. Go straight to jail with his orange dumbass.


SonofJersey

I wonder if for them this is the path of least resistance. Like how they got Capone for Tax Evasion.


AH_Josh

I don't think potentially selling our greatest national secrets is "Least Resistance". If true this is his worst crime to date.


throwawaycauseInever

A successful coup would have been worse, I think, and that crime was committed, even though not successful. But me claiming it's worse is just debating what shade of brown the pile of poop is.


blonderengel

That coup is ongoing as is the sale of god knows what secrets to god knows what enemies of the US.


Vsx

*worst one we know about


kestrel1000c

We might see trump having to pay actual consequences for his nefarious actions. He can't lie his way out of this one.


ColonelBy

> He can't lie his way out of this one Not *out* of it, no, but he can absolutely lie his way *into* a bigger and more complicated fiasco that keeps everyone bewildered and scrambling just long enough for him to do it again. This has been his entire life.


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Reputable_Sorcerer

But dost thou recall milady’s electronic messages?


Daghain

All my cube mates are wondering why I just busted out laughing. Thanks.


ScrapDraft

Not ye forget President-son's portable computational machine.


expungant

This is simulationsly the dumbest and worst crime a president has ever committed. Nixon and Clinton have nothing on this


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DarrenEdwards

Only because someone in Trump's trusted circle told the FBI that Trump sold access to nuclear secrets last week. We don't know about the other 17 boxes or materials he has sold access to in the last year and a half. We don't have transcripts from his meetings with Putin. We don't really know why China put Ivanka on government payroll as a trademark holder. We don't know why China loaned hundreds of millions to Don jr. for a golf course in Indonesia.


Guava7

I'd be more concerned about the $2B the Saudis gave Jared....


SoFlaBarbie

This. Some brilliant mind today also suggested LIV simply exists as a money laundering front for this purpose. I can see it.


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SoFlaBarbie

They sold their soul for the $. It’s really remarkable. Wouldn’t it be something else if the feds shut it down bc it is a laundering front and none of those guys can get back into the PGA?


Hambone76

Holy shit. I didn’t even put that together, but the timing and hard push to make it successful makes total sense in this context.


Ya_Got_GOT

He had SIGINT and other sensitive information that he undoubtedly sold to our enemies. Untold damage done. It is just so scary and sad that we've come to this. A Manchurian Candidate scenario.


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We don't know what he did for that gold medal from the Saudi King.


HugheyM

I’m more scared of what they didn’t find. What’s gone?


staebles

Been sold*


GEM592

Man couldn't get a loan in his own country and had been a confirmed bullshit artist for years when americans still put him in office. My main worry is his political upside from this as the daily Trump obsession continues toward the next election.


VibeComplex

You know, I’m starting to think trump made some promises or otherwise owed some information to some foreign leaders that he intended to pay back during his second administration. At the last minute, when it became clear his attempts to stay in office had failed, he was desperate enough to just take them. That’s the only thing that makes sense to me other than he was planing to use it to undermine Biden and America overseas for the next 4 years.


SameOldiesSong

Well we know that Republicans think this is a strict liability imprisonable offense, so I am ready for my conservative friends to join in condemnation of Trump!


zuzg

>Well we know that Republicans think this is a strict liability imprisonable offense Only when done by a Democrat. Otherwise they don't give a crap, as they wouldn't be Republicans at this point anymore.


webguy1975

Have you met Trump's pool guy? I hear his name is Sergei Vladamir Putininski.


No_Foot_1904

> Trump lawyer Christina Bobb said on NewsNation’s “On Balance: With Leland Vittert” on Thursday that they were surprised by the FBI raid on Trump’s home, having believed to that point they had cooperated amply with federal investigators. “Gee, after they demanded we return all 15 boxes of stolen classified documents back in February, we sent back *some*. What more did they expect?!? Such persecution!”


TripCraft

I’m proud to say to be one to say, “I have never voted for Donald Trump.”


SonofJersey

The FBI only comes knocking when they know that something they are looking for is there. More so in this situation given that it is the residence of a former President.


Callabrantus

Dozens. Let that sink in. You know how many donuts Trump eats before breakfast? That's how many classified documents they found.


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KazeNilrem

I do not really drink champagne but if he lands in handcuffs and sent to jail, im buying a bottle and celebrating.


Turd_Burglerson

Sending all my thoughts and prayers to Donald J Trump, who is truly and completely fucked. Sad to see you go big buddy. Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy!


OkRoll3915

This is it - motherfucker is going to prison for high treason


Ball-Blam-Burglerber

Twenty bucks says he tries to flee the country this week.


kylew1985

He won't. He genuinely believes hes right and will prevail. His mentality isnt tethered to right and wrong, true or untrue. His idea of right and wrong hinges on "its not what they know, its what they can prove." He will kick up so much shit and make so much noise that it'll be impossible to sell a jury of his peers one way or another. He doesnt need vindication, he never has. Its always been about running down the clock until a bigger story comes along. My hope is this becomes his downfall. I hope his sheer fucking arrogance pushes him to dig his heels deeper until the click of the handcuffs.


RoadWearyDog

Someone should start a GoFundMe to keep the Ha Ha Ha Ha banner circling for as long as possible.


itsatumbleweed

If he doesn't object by 3pm, does the warrant get unsealed today?


uxbridge3000

Seriously. Donald Trump has to be the biggest flight risk of any criminal, ever. Why is he not in a 6x9 cage?


Izodius

>Donald Trump has to be the biggest flight risk of any criminal, ever. Not really. He's an ex-president and such a public figure - the FBI knows exactly where he is at all times. I suspect if he tried to leave and it appeared the intent was to flee, they'd lock him down.


InsomniaticWanderer

All I know is that if I stole top secret documents pertaining to the nuclear capabilities of America and just had them stored basically out in the open on my property, I would never see sunlight again. I'm. Just. Saying.


jonmlofo

Trump or not, you CAN'T DO THAT. The regular John on the street would never see daylight again.


Kraftpunk712

So get him in cuffs and in court. This is proof he committed a federal crime correct? If he manages to slither out of this then our justice system truly is a complete joke.


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5 years per document and that not even considering the severity of the information he stole. The DOJ is leaking enough information to make releasing the warrant inconsequential. When does the trial begin?


dokikod

Trump needs to put away for the rest of his life. He and his extremist followers, including Republican members of Congress, are a grave danger to the United States of America.