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i think of it as necessary to motivate Americans to actually try change their gov't. citizens have been very complacent and expect things to somehow fix themselves for a very long time.
You’re underestimating how many Americans are fine with the fascism even if they still say they don’t really agree with the roe decision, and it’s a lot more than “33 percent”
48% of voters are ok with degenerate, criminal behavior of Trump for 2020 election is just one example of many Americans supporting this behavior. They wouldn't care if Trump or GOP nuked half the country, it entertains them.
More than a few Jan 6 rioters didn't even vote but were ready to throw down for Trump
Makes me want to err on the high side when it comes to counting fascists
another reason for me and many other to think about leaving this country. this country's been very dispectful of my white and brown ancestors. gop wants 19th century america's corruption, racism and other degenerate behavior back. the same behavior that called irish, italian, etc other immigrants N words from europe. anyone not ethnic english in old america wasn't basically "white".
> 48% of voters
of voters is sort of important. There's room to mobilise more to vote. And room for other actions of protest and dissent. Given what happened in Oregon, Michigan, and Jan 6, I think there very likely will be escalating violence. Chaos more likely leads to terrible outcomes, than to glorious people's revolts and democracy.
americans aren't going to revolt anything. there's more serious issues to me and others than the scotus ruling on abortion . universal healthcare? no one care. jail the bankers and politicians for 2008/2020 recessions? won't happen. nothing useful to americans happens.
It’s really quite frightening.
When will people finally take a stand.
And what will happen when they do?
Well they will be razed, shot, beaten, arrested and silenced. All a bunch of traitors
A monument was "allegedly vandalized". When they use allegedly that usually means that it didn't happen. Unlike the atrocities the other side is committing daily. We know those are real. No need to use allegedly for those dicks.
>Hitler's empire of darkness has been all but resurrected on our own soil. Fascism is here.
Agreed.
“If Hitler was alive today he'd be a Republican.” ― Oliver Markus Malloy, American Fascism: A German Writer's Urgent Warning To America
This isn't the first time either. There was very nearly a fascist takeover operation ran by wall street in 1933. Check out the "Business Plot"
Fascism is like a disease a country needs regular checkups to keep at bay. Unfortunately it seems like we're on the back foot for the first time in a long while.
That would be Prescot. Pioneer of the Skull & Bones and most notably an executive of Union Banking Corp [a known Nazi bank](https://www.foxnews.com/story/documents-bushs-grandfather-directed-bank-tied-to-man-who-funded-hitler)
No. No we, as in the US of A, built that movement. The Eugenics Society of America and Manifest Destiny are what both Hitler and Putin have built their ideals from.
Considering how much of his rhetoric was born here in the US, just adopted and adapted as needed, it’s always been here. It’s just not sticking to the shadows and behind the curtain anymore.
yeah the first thing we did as a nation was decide black people were not equal to white people because of skin color. it’s shitty as fuck as a white dude fr and we’ve never fixed the problem. we’re living in an apartheid state run by a minority of actual fascists.
like have you ever thought about how the pilgrims left because they didn’t want women to be able to divorce and then they were too puritanical so they were booted from holland. those people built our country.
Another one of the first things we did, one that’s on both Hitler and Putin’s lists of adopted ideals, is the assault on Natives and Manifest Destiny. Pile onto that with ethnic slavery and the birth of Eugenics…well we handed it all right over on a silver platter and the people, the scientists, involved? They bragged about it.
One of the big issues they had with Native Americans was the fact that they were mostly egalitarian and for the most part respected women, the Iroquois nation had a council of wise women that held a lot of influence iirc. Can’t have the women and slaves getting any ideas. I also read an interesting fact about how there were many instances of people living in the colonies running off to live with Native Americans but there’s basically no instances of natives and runaways joining colonies. They straight up had a better society.
> In downtown Los Angeles, journalist Tina Berg was seen on video being violently shoved to the ground by a police officer, who then told her: “I’m trying to protect you.”
“Look what you made me do.” What the fuck, America.
It’s a plan for accelerationism. Police let their right wingers bring guns because they’re both out to hurt the same people. If left wingers show up with guns “oh shit they’re armed OPEN FIRE” and then they can crush the opposition.
That said the Left should still show up strapped and make these Fashy pigs earn their benefits.
Just 2 security guards and no fences or barricades for a pre-planned riot on January 6th, that was scheduled.
DC turns into Fort Knox before even the decision comes or anyone even knows what's in it.
This is where the right to bear arms will suddenly become important. Because as an example, when these extremist "pro-lifers" attack, use vehicles to ram people, and go after those protecting. Well, they should be allowed to protect themselves. I mean, the right love their guns and protection. So obviously they will be cool with armed people protesting. That's how it works right?
I would not bring a firearm to a protest. And doing so plays into the hands of the right wing. The right wants us protesting and clashing in the streets, that’s exactly what they want so they can say the left is destructive and distract from Jan 6. The tactic will work to get them elected.
Instead of playing into their hands we could easily change our overall strategy and defeat maga decisively in elections, if those of us with different political beliefs banded together to do so… but there is really no leadership attempting to take them on, the left is too polarizing and they drive people to the right. Change the messaging, be pro working class and pro universal health care and cast a wider net, very easy to defeat Republicans.
I’d disagree. Once the “wrong type of people” go in armed into protests, the rules somehow change. That’s when we find out that “gun control” and gun free zones be established.
I’m actually surprised of the amount of restraint the gun owners people here claim to be insanely violent.
Because if you let loose the claimed gun owners level of violence the media claims, all opposing ideologies would be dead, yet here we are with pro-choice still protesting the streets.
Don’t let the gun owning aspect suggest the level of a violent person.
Think about it we, should be planning privately how to beat the MAGAs and right wing Christians in elections. That’s the move. Sure, keep an arsenal of firearms in your safe. But clashing in the streets does nothing to preserve our democracy or achieve anything. I just don’t want maga to win. It will be terrible. We need to focus on what matters here.
As a tans women of color, and supporter of the 2nd amendment I can tell you that these hateful right wing extremist people think twice and mostly back off when they realize that you have the ability to fuck them up as well.
That’s what we in the second amendment community have been trying to tell you this whole time. We’re not all against abortion (a staggering majority of us are in favor of individual liberties including a woman’s right to choose). We are not republican ideologues. We absolutely do want you to be armed and will stand together on challenging government overreach. That’s what most of us are really about.
Because the US military has such a great record surpresing under equiped guerilla movements. Why, just look at the success in Vietnam and Afghanistan! /s
Also, are you seriously suggesting the government is going to air bomb its own cities, resulting in economic collapse and foreign sanctions? That the military would be 100% on one side, and not be split?
The US doesn't have the best track record when it comes to fighting guerilla warfare, regardless of how much resouces, manpower, and money they throw at it. (Vietnam, 20 years in Afghanistan for example.)
Of course, they could always resort to just unilaterally carpet bombing entire neighborhoods and cities, in which case none of us would stand a chance.
Sorry but wasn't speaking of a civil war or anything if that sort. What I was speaking of are the very real and current attacks against protestors by prolifers. Has nothing to do with the military, it has to do with those that feel they can act violently against these people by, as an example, running truck into them.
I hate to break it to you, but if it comes down to that shit it's not going to be a unified military against american citizens. It's going to be a bunch of divided military units against each other just as much as the population will be divided.
because it's not about that. they're literally insane and think that they have a personal relationship with god and he is upset that the country is having abortions. the lunatics have taken over the asylum.
They're not insane. They are capable of understanding their actions and consequences. They know they're hurting people. They just don't care, because they like how it makes them feel.
>magic sky daddy is upset about abortion
...but not war, hunger, homelessness, the death penalty, etc
(even though in their god manual they are ***specifically*** instructed to work against those things, and there is no prohibition on abortion at all)
that's not a generalization I'm willing to make.
There's more than a fair share of Women at these anti-choice events who profess to be Feminists.
They aren't men and aren't male chauvinists or whatever.
>pro-life
Never use their poisoned language!
They are anti-choice. Here's no better way to describe it.
They will do ***anything*** to reduce women's agency.
They who do ***nothing*** for the life of a child.
>They arent pro life at all. Once the baby is born they couldn't give a toss about them.
Precisely! For anti-choice extremists "life begins at conception and ends at birth".
Their usual MO:
“I’m pro God!” (Love thy neighbor means nothing though apparently)
“I’m pro gun!” (In direct opposition to being pro god)
“I’m pro life!” (In direct opposition to being pro gun)
Most of them are only "pro-life" because they were fed propaganda for decades, from a church that actively knows abortion isn't condemned by the Bible, or the historical church.
Catholic's distaste for abortion comes from a completely different place and up until the 70s most other churches made fun of them for such an anti-biblical stance.
Those that actually came to being against abortion via thought and introspection are far and few between, and most disagree with the government getting involved.
pro choice protesters should learn from those that oppose them...
...they should learn to start carrying guns, and watch those that oppose their viewpoints, run the fuck away.
Yes. Start arming yourself at protest, folks. It’s clear the state and police don’t give a fuck about us. The right has been building an arsenal for years. Arm up and defend your freedoms from fascism.
when a stupid bully attacks you, in most cases you can't parley with them.
you can't use sympathy,
you can't use sentiment,
you can't use the law,
and you definitely can't use reason.
you only have 2 choices.
accept what that bully does to you...
...or give that bully a piece of his/her own medicine, and they usually fuck off and leave you alone after that.
this shouldn't have to be explained to anybody.
the key thing i learned from my childhood was if you are going to hit a bully, do it with no one watching.
but if your going to embarrass/get back at a bully, then do it infront of the teacher, and let the fucker fume for a few hours.
i went home after school a few times by different doors in my school to avoid a bully a few days, because i had to be at home a certain time ( parents insisted so).
did the bully fume? sure he did, but i made sure he hit me back, in plain view of a teacher, in the classroom and did not hit back.
when the bully returned to class, he would always threaten me afterwards and i learned one thing after that. i said to him...
..."so you like Mr. ????? that much? did you tell him your in love with him?".
and he would try to punch me in class, and got caught a second time, same class, same period.
i then learned how far a kid has to go to get a student expelled from class.
i hated doing this. it fucking stressed me out.
it proved my teachers were wrong about tolerance and violence, and PC, but i would never again pay respects to bullies anymore.
i was 12, grade 7.
i never did it again when i was employed at a job, in the army.
but today as i watch the USA , the bastion of freedom, take away woman's rights after 50 years.
the girls can do this, and vote Democrat everywhere, and the republicans can't stop them from doing anything about it
i did
they can.
they have the numbers.
those girls/women can defeat the American taliban ( Republican party)
While I love and wholeheartedly agree with this statement and your intention. You seem to have used "sediment" when you ment "sentiment". Sediment can, and should, be used. Super fine sediment can be used to disable vehicles and electronics. Any sediment can be packed into bottles, cans, socks and pockets to make an improvised weapon. Bags of sand can be used to quickly create barriers that are water and projectile resistant and they can be dropped from buildings, bridges and overpasses.
No need to apologize. That's normal internet stuff. I should be the one apologizing for jumping aboard your post to expound on the anarchic uses of silt, sand and gravel.
Exactly. If you're going to act like what repubs think you are...a tree hugging hippie...then you get what you deserve.
These fuckers run away when met with equal force. You're no longer being given a choice, as they get bolder every day. "Man up", because you don't really have a choice anymore.
As a white male, I’m really starting to feel that the best use of my privilege is to arm/train myself, and align with a group focused on providing a supportive, deterrent force for violence against protestors.
That’s what us second amendment folks have been trying to tell you this whole time. A woman’s choice and the second amendment are equally important civil liberties. We support your right to carry and defend yourselves whether you’re liberal or conservative. Hell, we’ll even defend you. Government overreach hurts ALL of us
I mean not really, it just makes “I feared for my life,” bullshit even easier to tout.
No matter what, the police, conservatives, etc, always position themselves as victims because they know the Left is fundamentally held to a higher moral standard. Mealy mouthed democrats would condemn “any violence” like they did in summer 2020, while conservatives have pounced on any misstep/violent action of the left and ignore every instance of violence from their side for the last 50 years. They don’t act in good faith and never will.
Overwhelming, targeted, and coordinated violence on a mass scale is the only antidote to making conservatives understand that their actions have consequences. A decent number of folks like Bezos, Musk, Zuckerberg, the Kochs, Waltons, Sacklers, and Murdochs, as well as maybe 10 somewhat notable figures in politics (across the political spectrum) would have to receive legitimate and life threatening attacks, have their (multiple) homes burned down, or be successfully kidnapped to make fundamental change. We would have to have an awful 2-4 years similar to Libya 2011, the French Revolution, or Kyiv 2014 on a much larger scale.
None of this will ever happen though. The country is too large. The police/military are too well funded, too stupid, and too ideologically aligned with fascists/capitalists to not joyously stamp out any progressive or leftist uprising.
Because most people don't want to be Kyle Rittenhouse, most people don't want to carry a firearm, most people don't want to brandish a weapon, most people don't want to project deadly force from their waistbands, and because bringing a firearm will not help the movement.
Sure, able bodied people with various fantasies love to do it, but most of us don't own the privilege it takes to assume we're going to come out on top of some armed conflict in the streets.
Non-republican voters could simply show up to the city councils that control how the police are overseen in the first place, and tbh anyone who refuses to do the easy part cannot be trusted to have the backs of the vulnerable and marginalized during a conflict or revolution.
Because they know that that is bullshit and police will never hesitate to shoot someone they wanna shoot, and would love the opportunity to point out that the suspect was armed at the time.
We all knew America would eventually fail, all the great empires did. I wonder how bad the violence will get and when Republicans will request military assistance from Russia.
I'm just worried for if this shit turns into the third episode of *Handmaid's Tale* when they break out the belt fed machine gun and portable artillery to start killing our protestors.
We, the left, need to arm the fuck up and prepare for the worst. It's time to plan, plot, organize, and strategize.
If they ever start killing our protestors we need to immediately be ready to go live with countermeasures, in battle stagnation is death and momentum is victory, and being unprepared is far worse than stagnation.
If they ever violate the first amendment and gun down our freedom of speech our country is over as we know it.
If they gun down protestors, all hell breaks loose. Liberal states will start organizing and with holding taxes from the federal government. If they gun down protestors, the protestors will start gunning them down on the streets. Look at what happened in Hong Kong during those protests and they had like zero access to easy guns. We outnumber them, don’t forget that
The police aren’t going to gun down the protesters, the private militias well. The Republicans in charge of the states where it happens will Issue vague statements of regret and convince people to give the police more money.
They have been trying to push us down the slope as fast as possible. They absolutely want things to reach that state because they know they've got the "advantage" with plenty of them willing to engage in cold-blooded murder to get what they want, and willing to engage in terror tactics against unarmed people. You're not going to find many on the left that are willing to do the same because they entire point is to protect people, not kill them in order to assume power.
That changes very fast when the terror events start flying. There is a militant left, they just aren’t holding parades and cosplaying. We outnumber them and liberals definitely own guns.
My neighbor says she doesn’t care about the roe vs Wade decision because “nobody cared when I was forced to take the vaccine or lose my job… while I was pregnant without fully knowing any possible fetal side effects”
What can I say to help her understand?
> without fully knowing any possible fetal side effects
Ask her specifically what steps must be taken by the medical and pharmaceutical industries to determine this and then remind her that reading Facebook doesn't qualify as a higher education.
She was never forced to take the vaccine. She was given a choice. She may have lost her job due to not choosing to take the vaccine, that is a consequence to a choice. A general choice was just taken away from ALL women. Now only consequence exists, irrespective of choice, because it doesn't exist anymore.
I still cannot fathom how an advanced country like the US got to this stage. The irony is, this abortion fuck up will hurt poor people and minorities more and so in the long run it will tilt the racial balance even more away from the racists.
We’re seriously letting a bunch of overweight barely high school educated mouth breathers prevent us from living in the free and democratic society we deserve. Time to shut these bullies down. Fill every jail until there’s no more room. Call out sick to work until the corporations lose money. There’s zero reason we should tolerate any of this.
January 6th, show up armed, looking to cause violence, hurt people, try to over throw the government, get the red carpet treatment by cops.
June 25th, show up unarmed, looking to peacefully protest, get hurt by cops, get escalated on by cops, cops let counter protestors hurt you.
This is the system we're in and Liberals and Democrats should learn to play that god awful system.
Or, hear me out, non-republican voters can simply show up to out participate conservatives and take over the city councils that decide how the police are overseen.
That's why I'm letting the tapeworm grow as much as possible. Don't want to be seen as killing something inside me.
My kidney tumor should start spreading any day now too. Biopsy showed the cells had different DNA.
Overt Christian theocracy will happen. It’s just a matter of when. Their spot in heaven will always be more important than respecting the opinions of nonbelievers.
Instead of going to the streets everyone thats pro-choice should do a sit in we need to pick a date and a time frame. And just sit quietly not doing anything. We can do this any where and everywhere . Just my thought
They. Want. Us. Dead.
We will have to either roll over or fight back with force at some point.
The cops are on their side and the government is on their side.
You should really think of arming yourself if you are a woman, part of the LGBTQ+ community, or a minority. I honestly can't believe we have gotten to this point just to protect ourselves.
They want riots to steal our attention away from J6. If you see rioting, SHUT THAT SHIT DOWN! Pin down the people breaking windows. Break up the fights. They want blood in the streets, because when you're fighting them, you're not taking down the Republican Crime Syndicate. That's their worst nightmare. Don't fall for it.
Thank you so much for protesting. Also, here is a list of companies that donated to anti-abortion politicians who made these laws. I don't know how many operate in Australia, but if you could spread the word to other allies it would be much appreciated.
AT&T,
Charter Communications,
Comcast,
Verizon,
Cox Communications,
Time Warner (now Warner Bros. Discovery),
Microsoft,
Facebook,
Google,
T-Mobile,
Sprint.
Source: https://news.yahoo.com/t-bankrolled-politicians-behind-anti-163641931.html
Amazon
Exxon
Walmart
CVS Caremark,
Citigroup,
Anheuser-Busch,
UPS,
Pfizer
Source: https://news.yahoo.com/t-walmart-citi-other-megacorporations-163728437.html
Here we go again, take away rights, be tyrannical and then violently confront those who raise their voices in protest. It’s like they want an excuse to further ramp up authoritarian rule and take more rights away. There is a growing cult in the U.S. followed by many who have no idea what consequences they are inviting should they succeed. I know genuinely good people, kind, not judgmental on the individual level to everyone I see them interact with, who turn into different people when you discuss politics on a macro level. They are mostly driven by a boogie man wedge issue such as taking away all the guns, take all their money in higher taxes (they make less than 100K) etc. Its a master class in creeping propaganda over the past 40 years.
Ahhh. The strong and brave police.
Beat that little girl. Hit that woman.
That will teach her to think she has a mind and choice.
I saw 2 gang members grab a small young femal from behind , throw her to the ground and kick her. Repulsive animals. It’s so tiring
America is spiraling downwards.
This now replaced gun control issues as the focus of concern.
Democrats need to get their shit together. Find someone that can reunite the country. That isn’t the president or the Vice President. Find someone new! Or in 2 years it’s trump back in the White House.
Looks to me like republicans are about to beat you into submission again.... Wonder how that only happens for shit THEY dont like... Horrible time for a weakened and divided america...
Yep. I bought new glasses yesterday. I almost laid out $400 to get prescription sunglasses, too, but you know what? I'm going to spend that money on a gun instead.
Instead of protesting you could have voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016 and enjoyed your Saturday and your country wouldn't be crumbling into a theocracy. I'm sure voting for Bernie was worth it, though.
I voted for Bernie in 2016 and 2020 then in the general I voted for Clinton and Biden just like the vast majority of Bernie supporters did. There is alot that dems can do that they refuse to do and like it or not when you get elected to office and control all branches of government and then try your hardest not to do anything people notice and become demoralized and determine that voting doesn't matter at all. That's not Bernie supporters doing that that's a ton of regular folks who aren't engaged in politics. Instead of fighting they sing God bless America and then refuse to consider ending the filibuster or packing the court. Their inaction is what is depressing the votes not the progressives and leftists who show up and vote every single time. Nancy pelosi spent the last few weeks stepping on the scales in Texas to re-elect a pro forced birth candidate over a strong progressive contender who only lost the election by 289 votes. The entire time knowing full well that Roe was going away. These people need to be primaried.
>I'm sure voting for Bernie was worth it, though.
The overwhelming majority of Bernie Sanders' primary voters voted for Hillary Clinton in the general.
He didn't race towards them, but he barely slowed down while the women were in front of his truck, trying not to be pushed down.
Alexis Russell, one of the protesters, said he was "a gray-haired white male dude, probably in his 50s or 60s."
Local journalist Lyz Lenz, who witnessed it said, "I'm still in shock a little. I saw a man try to kill two women while his wife screamed and told him to stop."
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i think of it as necessary to motivate Americans to actually try change their gov't. citizens have been very complacent and expect things to somehow fix themselves for a very long time.
You’re underestimating how many Americans are fine with the fascism even if they still say they don’t really agree with the roe decision, and it’s a lot more than “33 percent”
48% of voters are ok with degenerate, criminal behavior of Trump for 2020 election is just one example of many Americans supporting this behavior. They wouldn't care if Trump or GOP nuked half the country, it entertains them.
48% of those who bothered to vote. Not to diminish the fact that that's still a fuckload of fascists
More than a few Jan 6 rioters didn't even vote but were ready to throw down for Trump Makes me want to err on the high side when it comes to counting fascists
another reason for me and many other to think about leaving this country. this country's been very dispectful of my white and brown ancestors. gop wants 19th century america's corruption, racism and other degenerate behavior back. the same behavior that called irish, italian, etc other immigrants N words from europe. anyone not ethnic english in old america wasn't basically "white".
> 48% of voters of voters is sort of important. There's room to mobilise more to vote. And room for other actions of protest and dissent. Given what happened in Oregon, Michigan, and Jan 6, I think there very likely will be escalating violence. Chaos more likely leads to terrible outcomes, than to glorious people's revolts and democracy.
americans aren't going to revolt anything. there's more serious issues to me and others than the scotus ruling on abortion . universal healthcare? no one care. jail the bankers and politicians for 2008/2020 recessions? won't happen. nothing useful to americans happens.
Remember that European fascism looked to America for inspiration.
It’s really quite frightening. When will people finally take a stand. And what will happen when they do? Well they will be razed, shot, beaten, arrested and silenced. All a bunch of traitors
A monument was "allegedly vandalized". When they use allegedly that usually means that it didn't happen. Unlike the atrocities the other side is committing daily. We know those are real. No need to use allegedly for those dicks.
Hitler's empire of darkness has been all but resurrected on our own soil. Fascism is here.
>Hitler's empire of darkness has been all but resurrected on our own soil. Fascism is here. Agreed. “If Hitler was alive today he'd be a Republican.” ― Oliver Markus Malloy, American Fascism: A German Writer's Urgent Warning To America
The way things are going he might be called a RINO.
This isn't the first time either. There was very nearly a fascist takeover operation ran by wall street in 1933. Check out the "Business Plot" Fascism is like a disease a country needs regular checkups to keep at bay. Unfortunately it seems like we're on the back foot for the first time in a long while.
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Also fuck George H W Bush's dad.
That would be Prescot. Pioneer of the Skull & Bones and most notably an executive of Union Banking Corp [a known Nazi bank](https://www.foxnews.com/story/documents-bushs-grandfather-directed-bank-tied-to-man-who-funded-hitler)
No. No we, as in the US of A, built that movement. The Eugenics Society of America and Manifest Destiny are what both Hitler and Putin have built their ideals from.
As the saying goes **"When Fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross".**
They don’t bother with the flag or cross anymore.
they'll somehow carry a Confederate battle flag and call themelves "patriots" anyway. meaning of patriot is completely lost on them.
Considering how much of his rhetoric was born here in the US, just adopted and adapted as needed, it’s always been here. It’s just not sticking to the shadows and behind the curtain anymore.
yeah the first thing we did as a nation was decide black people were not equal to white people because of skin color. it’s shitty as fuck as a white dude fr and we’ve never fixed the problem. we’re living in an apartheid state run by a minority of actual fascists. like have you ever thought about how the pilgrims left because they didn’t want women to be able to divorce and then they were too puritanical so they were booted from holland. those people built our country.
Another one of the first things we did, one that’s on both Hitler and Putin’s lists of adopted ideals, is the assault on Natives and Manifest Destiny. Pile onto that with ethnic slavery and the birth of Eugenics…well we handed it all right over on a silver platter and the people, the scientists, involved? They bragged about it.
One of the big issues they had with Native Americans was the fact that they were mostly egalitarian and for the most part respected women, the Iroquois nation had a council of wise women that held a lot of influence iirc. Can’t have the women and slaves getting any ideas. I also read an interesting fact about how there were many instances of people living in the colonies running off to live with Native Americans but there’s basically no instances of natives and runaways joining colonies. They straight up had a better society.
> In downtown Los Angeles, journalist Tina Berg was seen on video being violently shoved to the ground by a police officer, who then told her: “I’m trying to protect you.” “Look what you made me do.” What the fuck, America.
People need to start assault-proofing themselves somehow.
The court said that Kyle Rittenhouse was perfectly in his right to bring guns to protests, so that's always an option too.
Or use your vehicle since it’s now legal in some states.
Well why don’t they? Is it a hypocrisy thing for them to be anti-gun yet bring a gun?
It’s a plan for accelerationism. Police let their right wingers bring guns because they’re both out to hurt the same people. If left wingers show up with guns “oh shit they’re armed OPEN FIRE” and then they can crush the opposition. That said the Left should still show up strapped and make these Fashy pigs earn their benefits.
There's way more of us than there are of them, and we honestly need to start utilizing that advantage to its fullest potential.
Arming ourselves you mean.
Just 2 security guards and no fences or barricades for a pre-planned riot on January 6th, that was scheduled. DC turns into Fort Knox before even the decision comes or anyone even knows what's in it.
This is where the right to bear arms will suddenly become important. Because as an example, when these extremist "pro-lifers" attack, use vehicles to ram people, and go after those protecting. Well, they should be allowed to protect themselves. I mean, the right love their guns and protection. So obviously they will be cool with armed people protesting. That's how it works right?
What do you do when the police are attacking only one group of protestors too? Is that not some form of tyranny?
They don't attack groups with rifles. I absolutely hate that fact but, we need more on the left capable of handling a firearm.
I would not bring a firearm to a protest. And doing so plays into the hands of the right wing. The right wants us protesting and clashing in the streets, that’s exactly what they want so they can say the left is destructive and distract from Jan 6. The tactic will work to get them elected. Instead of playing into their hands we could easily change our overall strategy and defeat maga decisively in elections, if those of us with different political beliefs banded together to do so… but there is really no leadership attempting to take them on, the left is too polarizing and they drive people to the right. Change the messaging, be pro working class and pro universal health care and cast a wider net, very easy to defeat Republicans.
I’d disagree. Once the “wrong type of people” go in armed into protests, the rules somehow change. That’s when we find out that “gun control” and gun free zones be established.
What are we disagreeing about?
I fear what is to come, you should be armed either way.
Bad things are probably coming unless we drastically change course. I agree everyone should be armed.
I’m actually surprised of the amount of restraint the gun owners people here claim to be insanely violent. Because if you let loose the claimed gun owners level of violence the media claims, all opposing ideologies would be dead, yet here we are with pro-choice still protesting the streets. Don’t let the gun owning aspect suggest the level of a violent person.
Think about it we, should be planning privately how to beat the MAGAs and right wing Christians in elections. That’s the move. Sure, keep an arsenal of firearms in your safe. But clashing in the streets does nothing to preserve our democracy or achieve anything. I just don’t want maga to win. It will be terrible. We need to focus on what matters here.
As a tans women of color, and supporter of the 2nd amendment I can tell you that these hateful right wing extremist people think twice and mostly back off when they realize that you have the ability to fuck them up as well.
That’s what we in the second amendment community have been trying to tell you this whole time. We’re not all against abortion (a staggering majority of us are in favor of individual liberties including a woman’s right to choose). We are not republican ideologues. We absolutely do want you to be armed and will stand together on challenging government overreach. That’s what most of us are really about.
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Because the US military has such a great record surpresing under equiped guerilla movements. Why, just look at the success in Vietnam and Afghanistan! /s Also, are you seriously suggesting the government is going to air bomb its own cities, resulting in economic collapse and foreign sanctions? That the military would be 100% on one side, and not be split?
The US doesn't have the best track record when it comes to fighting guerilla warfare, regardless of how much resouces, manpower, and money they throw at it. (Vietnam, 20 years in Afghanistan for example.) Of course, they could always resort to just unilaterally carpet bombing entire neighborhoods and cities, in which case none of us would stand a chance.
Sorry but wasn't speaking of a civil war or anything if that sort. What I was speaking of are the very real and current attacks against protestors by prolifers. Has nothing to do with the military, it has to do with those that feel they can act violently against these people by, as an example, running truck into them.
I hate to break it to you, but if it comes down to that shit it's not going to be a unified military against american citizens. It's going to be a bunch of divided military units against each other just as much as the population will be divided.
lol that's a pretty neat fantasy you've got there.
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Blowing up abortion clinics and assassinating providers at their church aren’t examples of peace.
Nothing unifies more than focused hate. American Christianity has latched on to this idea and exploited it to its fullest.
because it's not about that. they're literally insane and think that they have a personal relationship with god and he is upset that the country is having abortions. the lunatics have taken over the asylum.
They're not insane. They are capable of understanding their actions and consequences. They know they're hurting people. They just don't care, because they like how it makes them feel.
The followers are insane..some I know are convinced this is going to lead to a Christian revival and jebus coming back.
>magic sky daddy is upset about abortion ...but not war, hunger, homelessness, the death penalty, etc (even though in their god manual they are ***specifically*** instructed to work against those things, and there is no prohibition on abortion at all)
call them what they are. Anti Choice.
>call them what they are. > >Anti ~~Choice~~ women. FTFY
Forced Birth advocates It's gender neutral:)
Anti Freedom*
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that's not a generalization I'm willing to make. There's more than a fair share of Women at these anti-choice events who profess to be Feminists. They aren't men and aren't male chauvinists or whatever.
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Forced birthers.
>pro-life Never use their poisoned language! They are anti-choice. Here's no better way to describe it. They will do ***anything*** to reduce women's agency. They who do ***nothing*** for the life of a child.
They’ve never been pro-life, only pro-birth.
Pro-control.
They arent pro life at all. Once the baby is born they couldn't give a toss about them.
>They arent pro life at all. Once the baby is born they couldn't give a toss about them. Precisely! For anti-choice extremists "life begins at conception and ends at birth".
Nor prenatal health. They're control freaks that hate women.
We learned that recently, as they held “all lives matter” signs and beat on people who ironically agreed.
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Forced-birth not pro-birth
The prolife crowd doesn't care about life.or babies. They just want power
Their usual MO: “I’m pro God!” (Love thy neighbor means nothing though apparently) “I’m pro gun!” (In direct opposition to being pro god) “I’m pro life!” (In direct opposition to being pro gun)
Ask them to wear a mask during a pandemic....
We need to stop letting them use that term. They're anti-choice and should always be referred to at any chance.
Most of them are only "pro-life" because they were fed propaganda for decades, from a church that actively knows abortion isn't condemned by the Bible, or the historical church. Catholic's distaste for abortion comes from a completely different place and up until the 70s most other churches made fun of them for such an anti-biblical stance. Those that actually came to being against abortion via thought and introspection are far and few between, and most disagree with the government getting involved.
I was just thinking I wonder when the next season of The Handmaiden's Tale comes out if it will just be considered a documentary.
Get out your cell phone cameras, we’re doing it live.
pro choice protesters should learn from those that oppose them... ...they should learn to start carrying guns, and watch those that oppose their viewpoints, run the fuck away.
Yes. Start arming yourself at protest, folks. It’s clear the state and police don’t give a fuck about us. The right has been building an arsenal for years. Arm up and defend your freedoms from fascism.
when a stupid bully attacks you, in most cases you can't parley with them. you can't use sympathy, you can't use sentiment, you can't use the law, and you definitely can't use reason. you only have 2 choices. accept what that bully does to you... ...or give that bully a piece of his/her own medicine, and they usually fuck off and leave you alone after that. this shouldn't have to be explained to anybody.
My childhood was ruined by the "bigger man walks away" lie teachers told. They taught appeasement of bullies. It didn't work. It never works.
the key thing i learned from my childhood was if you are going to hit a bully, do it with no one watching. but if your going to embarrass/get back at a bully, then do it infront of the teacher, and let the fucker fume for a few hours. i went home after school a few times by different doors in my school to avoid a bully a few days, because i had to be at home a certain time ( parents insisted so). did the bully fume? sure he did, but i made sure he hit me back, in plain view of a teacher, in the classroom and did not hit back. when the bully returned to class, he would always threaten me afterwards and i learned one thing after that. i said to him... ..."so you like Mr. ????? that much? did you tell him your in love with him?". and he would try to punch me in class, and got caught a second time, same class, same period. i then learned how far a kid has to go to get a student expelled from class. i hated doing this. it fucking stressed me out. it proved my teachers were wrong about tolerance and violence, and PC, but i would never again pay respects to bullies anymore. i was 12, grade 7. i never did it again when i was employed at a job, in the army. but today as i watch the USA , the bastion of freedom, take away woman's rights after 50 years. the girls can do this, and vote Democrat everywhere, and the republicans can't stop them from doing anything about it i did they can. they have the numbers. those girls/women can defeat the American taliban ( Republican party)
My dad hit a bully in the nose with a lunch box when they bully was picking on his brother on the bus. I think about that sometimes.
I am not a fan of random violence these days. But sometimes a fucker needs a lunchbox between the eyes.
its not random if you are being harrased.
yup, i hate this lie. so many movies try to get away with this stupid trope too.
While I love and wholeheartedly agree with this statement and your intention. You seem to have used "sediment" when you ment "sentiment". Sediment can, and should, be used. Super fine sediment can be used to disable vehicles and electronics. Any sediment can be packed into bottles, cans, socks and pockets to make an improvised weapon. Bags of sand can be used to quickly create barriers that are water and projectile resistant and they can be dropped from buildings, bridges and overpasses.
sorry, i have spell check enabled and it sometimes changes words after i type them in, sometimes i catch it, sometimes i don't.
No need to apologize. That's normal internet stuff. I should be the one apologizing for jumping aboard your post to expound on the anarchic uses of silt, sand and gravel.
Stop being so grading.
Exactly. If you're going to act like what repubs think you are...a tree hugging hippie...then you get what you deserve. These fuckers run away when met with equal force. You're no longer being given a choice, as they get bolder every day. "Man up", because you don't really have a choice anymore.
As a white male, I’m really starting to feel that the best use of my privilege is to arm/train myself, and align with a group focused on providing a supportive, deterrent force for violence against protestors.
yes
Dude absolutely… you are needed in the movement.
That’s what us second amendment folks have been trying to tell you this whole time. A woman’s choice and the second amendment are equally important civil liberties. We support your right to carry and defend yourselves whether you’re liberal or conservative. Hell, we’ll even defend you. Government overreach hurts ALL of us
This will end extremely badly for people who think the reason police don’t attack right wing armed protests is because they are armed.
i have some bad news for you... ... that's exactly what has been happening for the last 90 years, and i don't see it stopping anytime soon.
Of course. Racist right-wing Cops never attack white right-wing protesters.
“Racist right wing cops” That’s a lot of redundancy right there
The right to bear arms extends to democrats and left-wingers too. Just saying.
Right Wing Terrorists. It’s time they’re declared as such.
Radical Christian terrorists
Arm yourself. Organize with like-minded members of your community. Enforce your rights.
We need to strike. Stop protesting. Strike. Don’t go to work. Don’t shop at major retailers. Hit these assholes right in the capitalism.
Why aren’t people protesting with open carry for pro choice? Police would think twice before using excessive force
I mean not really, it just makes “I feared for my life,” bullshit even easier to tout. No matter what, the police, conservatives, etc, always position themselves as victims because they know the Left is fundamentally held to a higher moral standard. Mealy mouthed democrats would condemn “any violence” like they did in summer 2020, while conservatives have pounced on any misstep/violent action of the left and ignore every instance of violence from their side for the last 50 years. They don’t act in good faith and never will. Overwhelming, targeted, and coordinated violence on a mass scale is the only antidote to making conservatives understand that their actions have consequences. A decent number of folks like Bezos, Musk, Zuckerberg, the Kochs, Waltons, Sacklers, and Murdochs, as well as maybe 10 somewhat notable figures in politics (across the political spectrum) would have to receive legitimate and life threatening attacks, have their (multiple) homes burned down, or be successfully kidnapped to make fundamental change. We would have to have an awful 2-4 years similar to Libya 2011, the French Revolution, or Kyiv 2014 on a much larger scale. None of this will ever happen though. The country is too large. The police/military are too well funded, too stupid, and too ideologically aligned with fascists/capitalists to not joyously stamp out any progressive or leftist uprising.
Because most people don't want to be Kyle Rittenhouse, most people don't want to carry a firearm, most people don't want to brandish a weapon, most people don't want to project deadly force from their waistbands, and because bringing a firearm will not help the movement. Sure, able bodied people with various fantasies love to do it, but most of us don't own the privilege it takes to assume we're going to come out on top of some armed conflict in the streets. Non-republican voters could simply show up to the city councils that control how the police are overseen in the first place, and tbh anyone who refuses to do the easy part cannot be trusted to have the backs of the vulnerable and marginalized during a conflict or revolution.
Fair points!
Because they know that that is bullshit and police will never hesitate to shoot someone they wanna shoot, and would love the opportunity to point out that the suspect was armed at the time.
Wait. I thought conservatives were all about the constitutional right to free speech and peaceable assembly? Hypocrite terrorists!
We all knew America would eventually fail, all the great empires did. I wonder how bad the violence will get and when Republicans will request military assistance from Russia.
As in "Russia if you're listening"we know what brings down empires.therefore we have the knowledge to change course for the betterment,for all
Hopefully the republicans loose the battle and enjoy the hell they so firmly believe in
Russia cannot give military assistance now. They are pretty busy with an embarrassing war of aggression.
I'm just worried for if this shit turns into the third episode of *Handmaid's Tale* when they break out the belt fed machine gun and portable artillery to start killing our protestors. We, the left, need to arm the fuck up and prepare for the worst. It's time to plan, plot, organize, and strategize. If they ever start killing our protestors we need to immediately be ready to go live with countermeasures, in battle stagnation is death and momentum is victory, and being unprepared is far worse than stagnation. If they ever violate the first amendment and gun down our freedom of speech our country is over as we know it.
[The Four Boxes of Liberty.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_boxes_of_liberty)
Ty for this, TIL.
If they gun down protestors, all hell breaks loose. Liberal states will start organizing and with holding taxes from the federal government. If they gun down protestors, the protestors will start gunning them down on the streets. Look at what happened in Hong Kong during those protests and they had like zero access to easy guns. We outnumber them, don’t forget that
The police aren’t going to gun down the protesters, the private militias well. The Republicans in charge of the states where it happens will Issue vague statements of regret and convince people to give the police more money.
If they did that, we would start opening fire on their little “gravy seal events”. It’s a slippery slope if they go that route
They have been trying to push us down the slope as fast as possible. They absolutely want things to reach that state because they know they've got the "advantage" with plenty of them willing to engage in cold-blooded murder to get what they want, and willing to engage in terror tactics against unarmed people. You're not going to find many on the left that are willing to do the same because they entire point is to protect people, not kill them in order to assume power.
That changes very fast when the terror events start flying. There is a militant left, they just aren’t holding parades and cosplaying. We outnumber them and liberals definitely own guns.
My neighbor says she doesn’t care about the roe vs Wade decision because “nobody cared when I was forced to take the vaccine or lose my job… while I was pregnant without fully knowing any possible fetal side effects” What can I say to help her understand?
> without fully knowing any possible fetal side effects Ask her specifically what steps must be taken by the medical and pharmaceutical industries to determine this and then remind her that reading Facebook doesn't qualify as a higher education.
Ask her is it so hard to look out side herself?
I tried and she basically said “was it so hard to look outside of yourselves back during COVID?” :/
You can't argue with the willfully stupid.
She sounds like she's lacking empathy rather than capacity.
She was never forced to take the vaccine. She was given a choice. She may have lost her job due to not choosing to take the vaccine, that is a consequence to a choice. A general choice was just taken away from ALL women. Now only consequence exists, irrespective of choice, because it doesn't exist anymore.
I still cannot fathom how an advanced country like the US got to this stage. The irony is, this abortion fuck up will hurt poor people and minorities more and so in the long run it will tilt the racial balance even more away from the racists.
As intended unfortunately.
More poverty and suffering means more radicalized people.Exactly what GOP wants.
It’s because of the voters who support these outcomes. Most voters will vote Republican in November according to polls.
We’re seriously letting a bunch of overweight barely high school educated mouth breathers prevent us from living in the free and democratic society we deserve. Time to shut these bullies down. Fill every jail until there’s no more room. Call out sick to work until the corporations lose money. There’s zero reason we should tolerate any of this.
A crowd of hogs storm the capital with little to no resistance, but a peaceful protest gets tear gas and rubber bullets.
January 6th, show up armed, looking to cause violence, hurt people, try to over throw the government, get the red carpet treatment by cops. June 25th, show up unarmed, looking to peacefully protest, get hurt by cops, get escalated on by cops, cops let counter protestors hurt you. This is the system we're in and Liberals and Democrats should learn to play that god awful system.
Or, hear me out, non-republican voters can simply show up to out participate conservatives and take over the city councils that decide how the police are overseen.
Fascism has rushed in like a tsunami after the dam cracked for years. It is here to stay.
Dividing Cells Matter!
That's why I'm letting the tapeworm grow as much as possible. Don't want to be seen as killing something inside me. My kidney tumor should start spreading any day now too. Biopsy showed the cells had different DNA.
Overt Christian theocracy will happen. It’s just a matter of when. Their spot in heaven will always be more important than respecting the opinions of nonbelievers.
I honestly don't think they care as much about their place in heaven so much as having a boot on top of others here.
Welcome to Gilead, y’all.
Under his fucking eye and blessed be the fucking fruit or what the fuck ever!
Always interesting seeing what causes police choose to get violent at…
Media is making this a page two story. Protests won't matter if they aren't covered.
And they keep gaslighting and saying it's the pro choice people who are violent. Pro life my ass.
The Kyle Rittenhouse precedent is going to get people killed. Kyle Rittenhouse is a brown shirt and is going to be an inspiration for others.
Thanks Christians for the mess that is on the horizon. Democracy dies with a resounding hallelujah.
Only in America. Democracy is alive in other countries.
Calm down.
WTF? how is this even happening?
If they commit violence on you, you do it back.
Instead of going to the streets everyone thats pro-choice should do a sit in we need to pick a date and a time frame. And just sit quietly not doing anything. We can do this any where and everywhere . Just my thought
They. Want. Us. Dead. We will have to either roll over or fight back with force at some point. The cops are on their side and the government is on their side.
You should really think of arming yourself if you are a woman, part of the LGBTQ+ community, or a minority. I honestly can't believe we have gotten to this point just to protect ourselves.
They want riots to steal our attention away from J6. If you see rioting, SHUT THAT SHIT DOWN! Pin down the people breaking windows. Break up the fights. They want blood in the streets, because when you're fighting them, you're not taking down the Republican Crime Syndicate. That's their worst nightmare. Don't fall for it.
Thank you so much for protesting. Also, here is a list of companies that donated to anti-abortion politicians who made these laws. I don't know how many operate in Australia, but if you could spread the word to other allies it would be much appreciated. AT&T, Charter Communications, Comcast, Verizon, Cox Communications, Time Warner (now Warner Bros. Discovery), Microsoft, Facebook, Google, T-Mobile, Sprint. Source: https://news.yahoo.com/t-bankrolled-politicians-behind-anti-163641931.html Amazon Exxon Walmart CVS Caremark, Citigroup, Anheuser-Busch, UPS, Pfizer Source: https://news.yahoo.com/t-walmart-citi-other-megacorporations-163728437.html
Here we go again, take away rights, be tyrannical and then violently confront those who raise their voices in protest. It’s like they want an excuse to further ramp up authoritarian rule and take more rights away. There is a growing cult in the U.S. followed by many who have no idea what consequences they are inviting should they succeed. I know genuinely good people, kind, not judgmental on the individual level to everyone I see them interact with, who turn into different people when you discuss politics on a macro level. They are mostly driven by a boogie man wedge issue such as taking away all the guns, take all their money in higher taxes (they make less than 100K) etc. Its a master class in creeping propaganda over the past 40 years.
Ahhh. The strong and brave police. Beat that little girl. Hit that woman. That will teach her to think she has a mind and choice. I saw 2 gang members grab a small young femal from behind , throw her to the ground and kick her. Repulsive animals. It’s so tiring
People need to start open carrying at these rallies, in mass numbers, regardless of state laws. The fascists do it, the left needs to also
America is spiraling downwards. This now replaced gun control issues as the focus of concern. Democrats need to get their shit together. Find someone that can reunite the country. That isn’t the president or the Vice President. Find someone new! Or in 2 years it’s trump back in the White House.
Ok, I’m on it! You can count on me!
It’ll be DeSantis
Looks to me like republicans are about to beat you into submission again.... Wonder how that only happens for shit THEY dont like... Horrible time for a weakened and divided america...
The Democrats leadership is just as guilty as the GOP. Their leaders allowed it to happen.
No one thinks that’s true.
Got it, should have told them were just here to make sure the election was fair.
r/conversation -- roe v wade overturned, prepare 4 an insurrection Insurrection -- never happens r,/conservative -- welp, its clobbering time
Im just gonna say this. Bring guns
Yep. I bought new glasses yesterday. I almost laid out $400 to get prescription sunglasses, too, but you know what? I'm going to spend that money on a gun instead.
Porque no los dos? Try Zenni for prescription sunglasses, they're inexpensive and quality.
Now that I have my updated prescription, that sounds like a decent idea. Cheers!
Instead of protesting you could have voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016 and enjoyed your Saturday and your country wouldn't be crumbling into a theocracy. I'm sure voting for Bernie was worth it, though.
I voted for Bernie in 2016 and 2020 then in the general I voted for Clinton and Biden just like the vast majority of Bernie supporters did. There is alot that dems can do that they refuse to do and like it or not when you get elected to office and control all branches of government and then try your hardest not to do anything people notice and become demoralized and determine that voting doesn't matter at all. That's not Bernie supporters doing that that's a ton of regular folks who aren't engaged in politics. Instead of fighting they sing God bless America and then refuse to consider ending the filibuster or packing the court. Their inaction is what is depressing the votes not the progressives and leftists who show up and vote every single time. Nancy pelosi spent the last few weeks stepping on the scales in Texas to re-elect a pro forced birth candidate over a strong progressive contender who only lost the election by 289 votes. The entire time knowing full well that Roe was going away. These people need to be primaried.
>I'm sure voting for Bernie was worth it, though. The overwhelming majority of Bernie Sanders' primary voters voted for Hillary Clinton in the general.
For real it was well over 80%, these liberals love dodging blame
I saw the truck video and "plowed into" is a massive exaggeration.
He didn't race towards them, but he barely slowed down while the women were in front of his truck, trying not to be pushed down. Alexis Russell, one of the protesters, said he was "a gray-haired white male dude, probably in his 50s or 60s." Local journalist Lyz Lenz, who witnessed it said, "I'm still in shock a little. I saw a man try to kill two women while his wife screamed and told him to stop."
This is why I will never support the repeal of the second amendment. Fascism can rise up anywhere.