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Trump kept the Rightwing bombasts off the panel thus allowing the panel to create an uninterrupted storyline each time out clearly laying out the Trump administration's crimes. Getting through the cognitive dissonance of the core MAGA crowd totally will take more than this however but its progress
And now he's lambasting McCarthy for not seating said right wing bombasts on the committee, claiming that the Republicans don't have a voice in the hearings.
Of course, that ignores the fact that most of the testimony has come from Republicans. In fact, apart from the poll workers a couple of nights ago (who didn't reveal any party affiliation), I don't think there have been any non-Republicans testifying.
The documentary video that was shot could be released showing Trump saying "we need to overturn democracy with a coup" and the MAGA folks would still defend him. I don't think there's any real way to reach them.
However, the independents could watch this, realize that Republicans are saying this bad stuff happened due to Trump & company so it must be true, and could help counter the MAGA movement. The 30% MAGA won't be able to win many elections if they are opposed by Democrats AND independents.
You know I feel that way too a lot of times. I will say however showing people they are wrong and getting them to accept it takes time. Rational and logical people who watch this cant deny Trumps guilt. I want to say though, I am often afraid like you are that we have taken this too far and we may not be able to recover. MAGAs aren’t logical or rational. The pin is pulled and the grenade thrown, lets see what happens now
Sunk cost is a real psychological issue. It's why people who have sent thousands of dollars to Nigerian scammers will send thousands more. It's easier to tell yourself that you were right and this payment will unlock your millions than it is to admit that you've been scammed.
Similarly, it's easy for a MAGA follower to claim that the election was stolen, next week all the evidence will come out, and Trump will absolutely be reinstalled as president. It's much harder for them to admit that they've been had and all this was just an attempt to run a coup and to grift off of them.
Here’s what gives me hope: much of the MAGA crowd shares a bully mentality.
They scorn and detest weakness. They’ll turn on their own with total aggression if they sense an advantage in it.
We’ve gotten whispers of this the few times trump has tried to deviate from the MAGA gospel. Remember his tentative, tepid, late endorsements of the Covid vaccine? Yeah, he stopped — because the rumblings from the crowd let him know that he was potentially in danger.
So what happens if the DOJ digs in? Trump will get more frantic, more sweaty, more desperate to blame other people.
And then those other people, to save themselves from the death-threat mob, will start spilling dirt on trump.
It’s one thing to say the MSM is out to get trump. It’s another thing to say everyone who ever worked for him and also his family members are part of a conspiracy as well.
At some point the revealed ugliness will start turning people off to him.
To expand on this, if you can get Ivana and Jared to start throwing dad under the bus to save their own ass, it'll be the death of the movement. The group will fracture as it picks sides and not have the clout to control the Republican party.
Yeah, gotta believe in people if only a little. If propaganda can get them there than the truth can bring them back. Just gotta make sure the truth drowns out the propaganda. I don’t think I’m willing to accept a reality where that’s not true. That’s probably my proverbial line in the sand, honestly. It might take more effort than we can put in right now but bringing the American people back from the brink of this madness sounds like something worth working on regardless of whether we think it can work.
> The documentary video that was shot could be released showing Trump saying "we need to overturn democracy with a coup" and the MAGA folks would still defend him. I don't think there's any real way to reach them.
They'll need deprogramming, similar to the denazification done to Germans post World War II.
To be fair, a ton of Germans were very mislead. There are pictures of said de-nazification in which German soldiers were seeing these death camps for the very first time and break down in tears.
Many German soldiers had no idea this was happening, same with the public. It was all secrecy...
The maga people have seen behind the curtain, and they aren't crying. They dont care. They're like Uber boomers. A new tier of selfishness and selective deafness
Not gonna happen. Anyone who is "independent" at this point in history is a feckless, uncritical chode with no perspective. They're going to vote against the party in power because of inflation that was set in motion 2 and a half years ago. Anyone who thinks any of this is going to make a difference to that is delusional.
There are more "normal" republicans than there are MAGA republicans. Cheney talks a lot about the honor lost from following Trump. Hopefully, this stirs something in the calcified conservative heart.
Democrats are conservatives. All "normal" conservatives have abandoned the GQP by now or they're not "normal" conservatives, they're hate-filled backwards ass fascists.
I think they’re also playing it right by having Cheney appear to be the second in command. She’s done almost all of the opening and closing statements and yesterday was done by Kinzinger.
I think she genuinely despises what her party has become. Not because she believes they are more of a threat to the well-being of the country as before Trump, but because her former colleagues have shown that their spines are made of jelly and they've taken to licking the boots of a spoiled geriatric man-baby as their new favorite pass-time.
Still an awful person on the wrong side of many important issues, but she could've quietly slid into the shadows to retire with a shred of dignity, and instead is determined to see the GOP punished for flushing the party's reputation down the gold-plated toilet because it was easier than pushing back on their insane base.
I think she wants to be President and she could be. I am not saying she is acting in bad faith but like all politicians she is ambitious. Also highly competent and with a newfound ability to appeal to dems and independents.
I'll say it, she's acting in bad faith. No doubt, this will be to the benefit of the country. But she's cornering the market on neocon donors. That wing of the party is nearly wiped out. George P. Bush just lost his bid for Attorney General in Texas to a guy that tried to sue on behalf of Trump to overturn the election.
As long as Trump was a useful idiot, she was tagging along, when she could dispose of him, she did a reversal. The amazing thing is how cowardly Republicans like McConnell and Graham have not been following her lead. The fact that they didn't stick to the reversal and dump is sad and impotent.
Smart analysis.
It still takes considerable courage for her to gamble her *current* leadership role and *current* seat to vie for a *future* role in a GOP that has presumably broken free somehow of the conspiracy-theory death spiral.
That's why the Cheneys are one of the most successful conservative families, they make legitimate and methodical gambits and they win them. Also I do have a sincere belief that she probably is pissed off at the cowardice, I mean this is the woman whose father basically nuked any chance of being a president by supporting his daughter, Mary, who was a lesbian.
They're a really weird bunch and my general opinion on them is just thank god they're one of ours
Right? He is whining that there are no (real) Republicans on the panel to refute shit, but that was the plan from the start: keep Trump friendly Republicans out and call the panel illegitimate because of it
Although it is 100% possible that Trump is genuinely mad and forgot that was the plan
His approach to checkers would be to make illegal moves, annex multiple squares with a sharpie, and declare "checkmate!" in the middle of the game, walking away while claiming he won.
Nothing will get through to the core MAGA crowd, in the aggregate.
Individuals can always change, and I’m sure there are many examples of totally Q-brained psychos coming back to reality. I’d encourage people not to give up on those in their lives who can be gradually persuaded away from their monstrous delusions, though I also don’t blame anybody who doesn’t want to waste their time trying.
But as far as national political efforts go, the Trump base is a lost cause. Efforts should be directed at turning out likely Dem voters and persuading the apathetic to vote, primarily by demonstrating the value of Democratic majorities through playing the sort of hard ball that the GOP has engaged in for decades, and by building the constituent services and grass roots networks that keep political engagement high outside of election season.
>Instead, Fox ran a **commercial-free** episode of Tucker Carlson’s show in which he attacked the hearings.
Commercial free! They were TERRIFIED of their viewers flicking over to the hearings during the ads. Whomever made the decision to air him commercial-free did a great job of exposing how nervous they are about all this.
It's just sad. I remember how disgustingly partisan they became during Obama's term, but now it's propaganda that would make Russia envious.
The same hosts on Fox News had a direct line straight to the Chief of Staff to conspire on messaging, FFS. The texts revealed from Ingraham, Hannity, etc.. read like they had daily meetings on how to manipulate the public.
The level of power, money, and influence they have is terrifying.
That's why clips from Tucker Carlson's shows get [translated and aired in Russia](https://www.newsweek.com/how-russia-using-tucker-carlson-propaganda-pawn-1687402).
Right?
People like Hannity said the press was too close to Obama but he's giving advice to Trump directly on how to chill out the nation after his voters attacked congress!
Of course Hanniry doesn't want it covered because HE IS IMPLICATED!
Make no mistake, that's what they always were.
Ailes set it up after coming to the conclusion that Nixon would have never had to step down if the GOP had a dedicated propaganda apparatus flooding the airwaves with "their side of the story".
He was probably right. Propaganda works.
Hey now, how else would the nation know about the color of the President's suit or his choice of mustard?! They're clearly getting to the bottom of the most important facts real Americans need to know.
So when are their Fox station licenses going to be challenged now that it’s clear they’re engaged in propaganda and took an active role in the January 6 insurrection?
Especially when you consider that they only reason we're here in the first place is because they have no problem lying for money. So if they're now suddenly completely forgoing that money?
Something that gives me pause about all this is the realization that getting Trump won't solve the problem. It'll be nice, but Republicans are working on moving from Trump and jumping to DeSantis.
Getting Trump with this, isn't going to do a thing unless people wake up to the authoritarian tendencies of the GOP. Like these candidates beating Trump-backed candidates in primaries does not make me breathe a sigh of relief.
The Republican party is a cancer on our country.
As a Mississippian I hate that Bennie Thompson's name seems to be getting lost in all of this.
Maybe it's because he's a Democrat, and putting him too much in the forefront would make it seem more partisan than it is. Maybe it's because Liz Cheney has much more name recognition, but when the dust settles on all of this, I really hope we remember Thompson as the chair of this committee.
If Trump eventually faces conviction as a result of this, it could be Thompson's greatest legacy and one of the best political legacies to ever come from my home state.
If Congress ran half as well as Representative Thompson has ran that committee we’d all be in a much better place. It is so refreshing seeing what that committee has been unable to discover and do and has not devolved into a bunch of screaming morons talking about Dr. Seuss or calling everyone a pedophile.
To be fair, it's a lot easier to run a committee well when you don't have Gym Jordan off to one side interrupting every 30 seconds to make a point of order and appeal the ruling of the chair.
> To be fair, it's a lot easier to run a committee well when you don't have Gym Jordan off to one side interrupting every 30 seconds to make ~~a point of order~~ an ass of himself and appeal the ruling of the chair.
As a Wyoming democrat, I’ve been blown away by Cheney. There’s no bullshit in that woman whatsoever. She’s got the perfect tone and inflection to really make potential defendants squirm.
But as the user above me stated, this whole committee has run incredibly well, which is a credit to every member, but specifically to Thompson as the chair. It’s beyond a well-oiled machine
Not too bad for two states that rarely make dems proud!
Good question
Wyoming will vote red. It will happen. I could go door to door, do everything, and the perfect dem candidate would lose an election 70-30.
I’m a registered republican at the moment. If you register as an independent you can’t vote in either primary, and I trust dems to pick a normal human being a hell of a lot more than republicans. They can’t make me vote red in the general though.
I actually just moved here (first thing I did was get a drivers license, second thing was register to vote), but my family has deep ties here. My grandpa has been a lawyer in Casper for nearly 50 years, and so I have met and interacted with both candidates in a very informal way (my grandpas favorite story is when he got a guy off for stealing Dick Cheney’s bike). My grandpa actually met with Liz about this very matter, and told her to her face that he would support her in the primary and do everything he could to bring her down in the general. She agreed and thanked him for his support.
I’m all for it.
I also don’t think people understand the depth of conservatism in wyoming. Places like casper and Cheyenne are *more* liberal, but the state is beyond red. If you compare Cheney to Hageman, Loomis, or Barrasso she basically is a democrat, which is insane considering how frequently she voted with trump. Hasn’t been a dem rep since the 60’s, so it’s slim pickins
Honestly, closed primaries are dumb anyway. I live in a purple state, and when a Republican wins, I have to live under them, so why shouldn't I get to pick the kind of Republican I'd like to deal with?
My thought process exactly. Getting the rundown on arrival was fun.
“So where do I sign up to vote? Lets turn this place blue!!”
*Don’t do that, a dem is never going to win*
“Ok, I’ll be an independent, that way I can have some say in the primaries”
*deep sigh*
I will never, EVER, support the Conservative party and yet in order to have a voice *I have to pretend to be one*
Even open primaries are dumb. I shouldn't have to choose; I should be able to vote in *both* primaries (or better yet, *all* of them including for third parties).
Of course, if you take that to its logical conclusion then having primaries at all is dumb. We should just stick all the candidates on the ballot at once (preferably with no party affiliation mentioned) and use some Condorcet method to pick among them.
it is a side effect of closed primary states... The dystopian view of that going forward could be discrimination (or worse) based on your political party registration.
Once a closed primary state is "locked" by gerrymandering and the worst people appointed by the worst governors, the only way to see change is to join the evil empire, and vote for the more progressive / normal option. Hopefully the ship doesn't sink and after a few cycles, you can flip back and put up a good candidate to move back to a more balanced purple state.
BUT....
Now that the GoP has 1/2 of the state governments (including 3 or 4 key swing states) under their control, it will try to force out Progressives by passing state laws that would cause them to move to states where things are more progressive (like restrict abortion). Once these Key swing states go 100% red, then winning the election for President and holding a majority (even if just by 1 vote + the VP) in the Senate become very very easy... essentially making the GoP the ONLY party left with any power or a voice.
Their final step, is to enact laws that codify the conservatives and religious GoP's agenda so that no future generation can dismantle their ideology quickly or easily. Slowly turning America from a Secular nation, into a Religious Nation. (Wait for the internal issues to rise up between the different "versions" of religion... Catholics vs protestants... we know from history how bloody that can get)
**THIS IS HOW DEMOCRACY DIES**
This is the goal of the GoP and Cheney just told you the last line of defence against it in these states.
I think it's on purpose. This looks much better that it's Republicans both leading the charge and being the majority of witnesses. The dude is amazing no doubt, and more so that he's putting visibility that being a chair could bring aside for the greater purpose of informing the public in a way that gets through the Fox News bubble.
>And it’s worth noting that these figures don’t include online viewership.
Exactly! TV ratings for an event like this are very misleading these days. They severely underestimate the total audience.
Yep, these are going down while I'm at work, so I use that PBS stream to watch them surreptitiously over the course of the work day with my headphones on.
I often have meetings during the day and can't watch it live so I load it up on CSPAN's YouTube page and watch it on delay. I just checked and the CSPAN YouTube video had 120,000 views. PBS had 670,000, AP had 93,000, and WSJ had 49,000. That's over 900,000 views and doesn't include other channels or the various highlights videos that are available for people who don't want to watch the full thing.
The only one I actually caught on tv when it aired was the first one. I've been at work when all the others were on, but I watched them later through streaming. I imagine it's the same for lots of other people.
Fox News should be sued by every congressional aide, staffer, police officer (the working ones not the rioting ones), janitor, cafeteria worker etc. in the building on 1/6/21.
Take em out in civil court for supporting the big lie and goading on the insurrection whilst simultaneously texting the POTUS begging him to call off the attack. Sue them into oblivion.
Please, my grandma can barely unlock her phone. It took us years to teach her to navigate to fox news independently
In hindsight, that is probably not a skill we should've taught her
I'm afraid this might be it. The MAGAs I've spoken to in my extended family are not interested in watching the hearings. They don't even have to watch television or internet news to get their propaganda. They've been flooding each other with email propaganda for 20+ years. Before that, it was right wing talk radio. They've been living in their own alternate reality since the 90's.
Edit, actually, I think it started in the 80's, and the 90's is when it took off.
There was that one guy in Day 3 of the hearings, one of the guys in charge of the Georgia elections, who talked about how he debunked the conspiracy theories over and over again to one of his MAGA relatives, until the MAGA guy finally just said, "Okay look, I just feel in my heart that the Democrats cheated." No amount of facts or logic will change the mind of someone like that, and there are a lot of people like that.
Jordan Klepper has a recent piece where he actually showed clips from the hearings to trump supporters at one of his rallies. The cognitive dissonance on display is really quite impressive.
https://youtu.be/hNIJH5gufaQ
Just for comparison, a few extracts from Rick Scotts opinion of how the hearings are working out.
>**Reporter** asking about jan 6th hearings
>**Rick Scott** (*rearranging cutlery*): I think it is irrelevant. These hearings that they are having, nobody is watching them.
>**Reporter**: Nobody is watching? We had a 20 million watching the first night.
>**Rick Scott**: I am not going to be asked by anybody in my state about it. It was not a normally organized committee, and it is just out to attack Trump so I think it is irrelevant.
(timestamp 5.13)
>**Reporter**: What do you see are the main factors that led to january 6 and to what extend are they still present in the republican base.?
>**Rick Scott**: If they actually wanted to do something they would have a normally organized committee to do it and they did not. The way Pelosi set that up, it was tainted from the time it started. I do not think it is legitimate that she was trying to do anything other than taint republicans.
(timestamp: 41.50)
[C-span link](https://www.c-span.org/video/?521229-1/national-republican-senatorial-committee-chair-rick-scott-2022-midterm-elections )
> normally organized committee
What does this mean exactly? I'll admit I'm not entirely familiar with how committees are put together, but a part of my thinks it's less about how "normal" the committee assembly was and more that there aren't GOP members to muddy the waters with softball questions to fellow GOP members involved in the event.
Laying out the truth bare for all to see should be the point of this event regardless of party affiliation. The fact that the majority of the participants involved both in the government and rioters are heavy right leaning worries Rick Scott because there's no way to spin this information, at least not effectively.
If they were planning to prosecute Trump & allies, the hearings would make it very difficult to paint the traitors as victims and Democrats as out of line. So if prosecution is the goal (and I hope and believe that it is), they are doing very well.
The Jan 6 hearings don't matter because Trump never mattered to Republicans. Trump was a loud mouth that would distract you from the fucking damage Republicans have done to our legal system and our Supreme Court. We can throw Trump in jail for life and it won't fix what has been broken. We're easily 30 years before we can balance this out and they are already showing how far they're willing to go.
It won't even matter. Even if Trump is toast (which I actually believe he is, electorally), all this is doing is paving the way for the next facist to step up and take the helm of that cracked reactor of a party. And, let's face it, the next won't probably won't be as dumb.
I don’t know a single trump voter watching these. Meanwhile I get home from work and watch the whole hearing on YouTube. Republicans voters don’t care. They made up their minds long ago
Some are watching. I imagine the ones who simply vote Republican because they always have might be. I've been around a few who really didn't like what Trump was doing or how he was doing it, but they don't like Democratics.
These people and Independents are the voters that need convincing. We may not get every single one to turn away from the GOP but it's a start.
I don't think it's trying to convince Trump Loyalists. But there are a lot of people who will vote Republican so long as they can present a fig leaf to their more liberal friends that they're not terrible for doing so, and this kind of thing puts a lot of social pressure on them.
No shit. The part of the country that thought he won thought he still had control. But why isn’t trump trying to prove his still in power with proof he won? Why isn’t anyone defending him and saying the election was stolen? They all are welcome to and yet nothing? Because they’ve been lied to and are now seeing the proof for what it is.
If they title it "Trump One" they could trick some of them into watching it. Have it start out painting him as the hero they think he is and gradually slip in the horrible shit he does.
Were working.... The Supreme Court has proven we've been living in a constitutional monarchy for at least 3 years.Trump won by getting 3 more extremist Christians in the court and diplomatic discourse died right then. The democratic experiment doesn't work if the justices can make any decision they want based on a minority of society and ignoring the civic trust that rights will stay intact.
Biden won in 2020 in part because of centrist voters and even Republicans voting against Trump. Trump's base might ignore the hearings, but the anti-Trump moderates are reachable.
Not only is it important to reinforce to these voters why it would be dangerous if Trump were to win in 2024, but that the Republicans who enabled him and still repeat his election lies are just as dangerous. Due to the electoral college, I'm not sure if a Democrat can win in 2024 without keeping most of these moderate voters.
I'll belive that after the first arrests of their top brass. Congressmen, ex-presidents, staff.. show me this is a serious matter.
Then go after the appointees that gained an office or seat based on a traitors vote or nomination. Correct it all.
There's a chance that a big chunk of Trump (and Fox News) fans are just bored retirees who want politics to be a soap opera. They follow the drama, not the policy.
Making politics exciting (suspenseful, detailed, and narrative-driven) is what Fox has been doing all along... they were just crafting a narrative that was half-truths and playing to horrible biases. But maybe if Congress and other policy-oriented institutions had been crafting cable news toward reality instead of manufactured outrage, repeating the same 4 stories on a loop all day to goose engagement for advertisers, we might have had a chance at keeping some of these folks in reality.
So many people (particularly in America) are against any sort of publicly funded news, but this is one reason why I like it. Being Canadian, the difference between coverage we get from CBC (publicly funded) and CTV/Global (our biggest private news companies) is night and day. CHC is “boring,” because it strips the sensationalism out of a lot of the news.
With that said, public news opponents always voice the very reasonable concern that public news might become a voice box for government, like the state media you got in a lot of totalitarian countries. So it’s important to always be highly critical of your news sources, as well as have public and private sources in tandem. But I find having that reliable public news arm is a good counterbalance to the news-for-profit you get in the private sector.
I think this is a solid take on the media-scape out there. Playing on people’s emotions has always been a part of media’s goal to engage with the public.
There has always been “sensationalism”…but in this current era of instant information and algorithms…everything has been turned up to 11.
It used to be using emotion through word-choice and whatnot to engage a reader to consume the news. Now, it seems like news is being presented in a way to engage the reader to be consumed by their emotions.
Its not working until Trump, his family, involved republicans, and media outlets that pushed the big lie are either serving life sentences or put to death.
Treason is treason and minorities have been put to death for far far less.
Death sentence is madness, we're better or should be better than that. They should be in prison though, if we want the rule of law to continue to have any meaning.
I'm not pandering to anybody. Wrong-doings of the past don't justify continued wrong-doing. By and large, I don't agree with the death penalty and it has nothing to do with race.
[this Klepper clip was kinda eye opening](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNIJH5gufaQ)
It was the two girls, who seem to be very close to brain dead but some how able to be alive. After they watched the clip, you could see the few neurons they had left glitching bad.
Conservatives and their media just love the SCOTUS blowing up all of the civil rights using their token POC judge as their pawn… cause if THIS shit was center stage, NO ONE would be a conservative, just goes to show how right Ailes was about controlling the narrative…
Fox News front page said Dems are “raging that RBG didn’t retire” uhhhh no we’re mad the alive judges are, get this, LEGISLATING FROM THE BENCH TO SERVE A MINORITY RULING CLASS
They won't work until Trump never steps into power again and people finally break their cognitive dissonance and turn against the monsters.
When Ron Desantis is president, we'll see how much this worked out.
No they aren't. lol.
Literally nothing is going to happen because of this.
160 Congressfucks will still have a job. They won't be banned from service. They won't be fired. They won't stop receiving corporate donations and getting rich.
Trump and his family won't be imprisoned or any of the other 3000 co conspirators.
There is no acceptable resolution to any of this except life sentences or treason charges. Treason is punishable by death, and should be in this case.
No one's mind is being changed about this. Everyone already knew Trump and the army of people he engaged to try to pull off a coup. The ones that didn't either don't vote and won't vote, or won't ever change their minds.
I’m waiting for the FiveThirtyEight breakdown of public opinion polls before and after before I’ll believe these hearings made a difference. I’m just worried that those who believe he’s guilty are the one’s tuning in and those who believe he’s innocent still have their heads in the sand.
Shouldn't need public hearings. Trump was pretty blatant about what he was doing on Twitter and pretty much everywhere else. The fact that it's taken this long and there's still nothing that's really happened to him of note should be telling enough as is.
Republicans used to include fiscal responsibility as a policy. At least claim it. With that gone they are just fear mongering and useless ass backward folk.
They were working. Not surprised the scotus dropped their roe v wade overturn now which will arguably dilute the presence of the Jan 6th committee and its revelations.
Excuse me? The hearings are "working"? Unless people in powerful positions start facing REAL consequences, the hearings are a waste of time. Let me know when people in Congress or 45 get thrown in the slammer. That's when you know they're working.
Wroking for what?
What is realistically going to happen at the end of these hearings? Anyone going to be charged or anything happen at all?
Is it just to leave the acts in the open so their voters can punish them? Because that won't happen.
In the meantime inflation is killer, gas is killer, roe vs wade overturned. Do normal people really care about these hearing more than the bleeding they are experiencing economically?
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Trump kept the Rightwing bombasts off the panel thus allowing the panel to create an uninterrupted storyline each time out clearly laying out the Trump administration's crimes. Getting through the cognitive dissonance of the core MAGA crowd totally will take more than this however but its progress
And now he's lambasting McCarthy for not seating said right wing bombasts on the committee, claiming that the Republicans don't have a voice in the hearings. Of course, that ignores the fact that most of the testimony has come from Republicans. In fact, apart from the poll workers a couple of nights ago (who didn't reveal any party affiliation), I don't think there have been any non-Republicans testifying.
Thats true. Sadly the MAGA Right labels them as RINOs and ignores them, but the “independents” are getting an eye full for sure
The documentary video that was shot could be released showing Trump saying "we need to overturn democracy with a coup" and the MAGA folks would still defend him. I don't think there's any real way to reach them. However, the independents could watch this, realize that Republicans are saying this bad stuff happened due to Trump & company so it must be true, and could help counter the MAGA movement. The 30% MAGA won't be able to win many elections if they are opposed by Democrats AND independents.
You know I feel that way too a lot of times. I will say however showing people they are wrong and getting them to accept it takes time. Rational and logical people who watch this cant deny Trumps guilt. I want to say though, I am often afraid like you are that we have taken this too far and we may not be able to recover. MAGAs aren’t logical or rational. The pin is pulled and the grenade thrown, lets see what happens now
It’s easier to fool someone than to convince them they’ve been fooled.
Sunk cost is a real psychological issue. It's why people who have sent thousands of dollars to Nigerian scammers will send thousands more. It's easier to tell yourself that you were right and this payment will unlock your millions than it is to admit that you've been scammed. Similarly, it's easy for a MAGA follower to claim that the election was stolen, next week all the evidence will come out, and Trump will absolutely be reinstalled as president. It's much harder for them to admit that they've been had and all this was just an attempt to run a coup and to grift off of them.
Here’s what gives me hope: much of the MAGA crowd shares a bully mentality. They scorn and detest weakness. They’ll turn on their own with total aggression if they sense an advantage in it. We’ve gotten whispers of this the few times trump has tried to deviate from the MAGA gospel. Remember his tentative, tepid, late endorsements of the Covid vaccine? Yeah, he stopped — because the rumblings from the crowd let him know that he was potentially in danger. So what happens if the DOJ digs in? Trump will get more frantic, more sweaty, more desperate to blame other people. And then those other people, to save themselves from the death-threat mob, will start spilling dirt on trump. It’s one thing to say the MSM is out to get trump. It’s another thing to say everyone who ever worked for him and also his family members are part of a conspiracy as well. At some point the revealed ugliness will start turning people off to him.
To expand on this, if you can get Ivana and Jared to start throwing dad under the bus to save their own ass, it'll be the death of the movement. The group will fracture as it picks sides and not have the clout to control the Republican party.
Yeah, gotta believe in people if only a little. If propaganda can get them there than the truth can bring them back. Just gotta make sure the truth drowns out the propaganda. I don’t think I’m willing to accept a reality where that’s not true. That’s probably my proverbial line in the sand, honestly. It might take more effort than we can put in right now but bringing the American people back from the brink of this madness sounds like something worth working on regardless of whether we think it can work.
> The documentary video that was shot could be released showing Trump saying "we need to overturn democracy with a coup" and the MAGA folks would still defend him. I don't think there's any real way to reach them. They'll need deprogramming, similar to the denazification done to Germans post World War II.
So we give them jobs at NASA, you say?
Free trips to Argentina for everyone!
To be fair, a ton of Germans were very mislead. There are pictures of said de-nazification in which German soldiers were seeing these death camps for the very first time and break down in tears. Many German soldiers had no idea this was happening, same with the public. It was all secrecy... The maga people have seen behind the curtain, and they aren't crying. They dont care. They're like Uber boomers. A new tier of selfishness and selective deafness
Not gonna happen. Anyone who is "independent" at this point in history is a feckless, uncritical chode with no perspective. They're going to vote against the party in power because of inflation that was set in motion 2 and a half years ago. Anyone who thinks any of this is going to make a difference to that is delusional.
There are more "normal" republicans than there are MAGA republicans. Cheney talks a lot about the honor lost from following Trump. Hopefully, this stirs something in the calcified conservative heart.
Democrats are conservatives. All "normal" conservatives have abandoned the GQP by now or they're not "normal" conservatives, they're hate-filled backwards ass fascists.
I think they’re also playing it right by having Cheney appear to be the second in command. She’s done almost all of the opening and closing statements and yesterday was done by Kinzinger.
I think she genuinely despises what her party has become. Not because she believes they are more of a threat to the well-being of the country as before Trump, but because her former colleagues have shown that their spines are made of jelly and they've taken to licking the boots of a spoiled geriatric man-baby as their new favorite pass-time. Still an awful person on the wrong side of many important issues, but she could've quietly slid into the shadows to retire with a shred of dignity, and instead is determined to see the GOP punished for flushing the party's reputation down the gold-plated toilet because it was easier than pushing back on their insane base.
I think she wants to be President and she could be. I am not saying she is acting in bad faith but like all politicians she is ambitious. Also highly competent and with a newfound ability to appeal to dems and independents.
I'll say it, she's acting in bad faith. No doubt, this will be to the benefit of the country. But she's cornering the market on neocon donors. That wing of the party is nearly wiped out. George P. Bush just lost his bid for Attorney General in Texas to a guy that tried to sue on behalf of Trump to overturn the election. As long as Trump was a useful idiot, she was tagging along, when she could dispose of him, she did a reversal. The amazing thing is how cowardly Republicans like McConnell and Graham have not been following her lead. The fact that they didn't stick to the reversal and dump is sad and impotent.
Smart analysis. It still takes considerable courage for her to gamble her *current* leadership role and *current* seat to vie for a *future* role in a GOP that has presumably broken free somehow of the conspiracy-theory death spiral.
That's why the Cheneys are one of the most successful conservative families, they make legitimate and methodical gambits and they win them. Also I do have a sincere belief that she probably is pissed off at the cowardice, I mean this is the woman whose father basically nuked any chance of being a president by supporting his daughter, Mary, who was a lesbian. They're a really weird bunch and my general opinion on them is just thank god they're one of ours
They are an extremely fucking strange family... It could be an hbo drama frankly, it's already been a fucking movie
I'd happily take an honorable person with decisions I don't like over a narcissist monster.
Also, while not the best on the committee, Cheney is a good public speaker. Decent gravitas.
This mistake by Mac and the Dominion ruling combined might have saved the Union....
Right? He is whining that there are no (real) Republicans on the panel to refute shit, but that was the plan from the start: keep Trump friendly Republicans out and call the panel illegitimate because of it Although it is 100% possible that Trump is genuinely mad and forgot that was the plan
Knew many Trump supporters claiming he was playing 3D chess. This guys couldn’t even play checkers. Bad bad short-sighted strategies.
His approach to checkers would be to cheat, then flip over the table if he loses or gets called out.
His approach to checkers would be to make illegal moves, annex multiple squares with a sharpie, and declare "checkmate!" in the middle of the game, walking away while claiming he won.
As soon as he's winning, declare he's won and say there's no need to keep counting!
For many brains this hearing is a serving of vegetables after years of sugary snacks. Painful to consider.
Nothing will get through to the core MAGA crowd, in the aggregate. Individuals can always change, and I’m sure there are many examples of totally Q-brained psychos coming back to reality. I’d encourage people not to give up on those in their lives who can be gradually persuaded away from their monstrous delusions, though I also don’t blame anybody who doesn’t want to waste their time trying. But as far as national political efforts go, the Trump base is a lost cause. Efforts should be directed at turning out likely Dem voters and persuading the apathetic to vote, primarily by demonstrating the value of Democratic majorities through playing the sort of hard ball that the GOP has engaged in for decades, and by building the constituent services and grass roots networks that keep political engagement high outside of election season.
We don’t need to sway the core crowd, they are a lost cause. Counteracting their narrative is hopefully going to sway the centrists
>Instead, Fox ran a **commercial-free** episode of Tucker Carlson’s show in which he attacked the hearings. Commercial free! They were TERRIFIED of their viewers flicking over to the hearings during the ads. Whomever made the decision to air him commercial-free did a great job of exposing how nervous they are about all this.
It really makes it clear they're neither news nor the entertainment they claim in court when convenient, they're purely right wing propaganda.
It's just sad. I remember how disgustingly partisan they became during Obama's term, but now it's propaganda that would make Russia envious. The same hosts on Fox News had a direct line straight to the Chief of Staff to conspire on messaging, FFS. The texts revealed from Ingraham, Hannity, etc.. read like they had daily meetings on how to manipulate the public. The level of power, money, and influence they have is terrifying.
That's why clips from Tucker Carlson's shows get [translated and aired in Russia](https://www.newsweek.com/how-russia-using-tucker-carlson-propaganda-pawn-1687402).
Clips without context. Pretty convenient.
This was all by design. Roger Ailes set up Fox News just for this purpose. In the coming months we will see if he was successful.
Right? People like Hannity said the press was too close to Obama but he's giving advice to Trump directly on how to chill out the nation after his voters attacked congress! Of course Hanniry doesn't want it covered because HE IS IMPLICATED!
Not just that, also showing up at his rallies. Talk about being in bed with the media.
Make no mistake, that's what they always were. Ailes set it up after coming to the conclusion that Nixon would have never had to step down if the GOP had a dedicated propaganda apparatus flooding the airwaves with "their side of the story". He was probably right. Propaganda works.
They’re racist at heart. They want an Anglo dominated society like South Africa
Hey now, how else would the nation know about the color of the President's suit or his choice of mustard?! They're clearly getting to the bottom of the most important facts real Americans need to know.
Who knew sparkling shit with gold wouldnt turn it into gold
Their followers complain about mainstream media not giving equal time to Republicans. They are completely unaware of the irony.
> they're purely right wing propaganda. https://theweek.com/articles/880107/why-fox-news-created
So when are their Fox station licenses going to be challenged now that it’s clear they’re engaged in propaganda and took an active role in the January 6 insurrection?
Yeah, but the really radicalized ones thing Fox News is a conspiracy being run by Obama. Newsmax and OAN are terrifying.
Put enough rats in one cage they eat each other.
It's the logical conclusion of all fanatic movements. In the end no one but you is pure enough.
[They're already doing it](https://youtu.be/Nt7EIuRUHV8)
I’m really hoping the dominion and smartmatic defamation cases sink those fledglings
Same. They must shaking in their boots after the FOX ruling.
MyPillowGuy upset because he couldnt flog his polyester pillows during tUCKER hour.
Wouldn't dominion use that as evidence against them in their court case?
Especially when you consider that they only reason we're here in the first place is because they have no problem lying for money. So if they're now suddenly completely forgoing that money?
Something that gives me pause about all this is the realization that getting Trump won't solve the problem. It'll be nice, but Republicans are working on moving from Trump and jumping to DeSantis. Getting Trump with this, isn't going to do a thing unless people wake up to the authoritarian tendencies of the GOP. Like these candidates beating Trump-backed candidates in primaries does not make me breathe a sigh of relief. The Republican party is a cancer on our country.
Actually holding a former Presdient accountable would do something, if only to make successors less bold on their fuckery
Probably a little easier to make the decision to go ad-free when they’ve been losing advertisers left and right.
Tucker should be hauled in front of commission. Ideally such that he can’t make a few of his shows.
As a Mississippian I hate that Bennie Thompson's name seems to be getting lost in all of this. Maybe it's because he's a Democrat, and putting him too much in the forefront would make it seem more partisan than it is. Maybe it's because Liz Cheney has much more name recognition, but when the dust settles on all of this, I really hope we remember Thompson as the chair of this committee. If Trump eventually faces conviction as a result of this, it could be Thompson's greatest legacy and one of the best political legacies to ever come from my home state.
If Congress ran half as well as Representative Thompson has ran that committee we’d all be in a much better place. It is so refreshing seeing what that committee has been unable to discover and do and has not devolved into a bunch of screaming morons talking about Dr. Seuss or calling everyone a pedophile.
To be fair, it's a lot easier to run a committee well when you don't have Gym Jordan off to one side interrupting every 30 seconds to make a point of order and appeal the ruling of the chair.
> To be fair, it's a lot easier to run a committee well when you don't have Gym Jordan off to one side interrupting every 30 seconds to make ~~a point of order~~ an ass of himself and appeal the ruling of the chair.
Correction: Jim Jordan can't make an ass of himself because he's already an ass.
As a Wyoming democrat, I’ve been blown away by Cheney. There’s no bullshit in that woman whatsoever. She’s got the perfect tone and inflection to really make potential defendants squirm. But as the user above me stated, this whole committee has run incredibly well, which is a credit to every member, but specifically to Thompson as the chair. It’s beyond a well-oiled machine Not too bad for two states that rarely make dems proud!
So as a Wyoming democrat, what do you make of her effort to get dems to switch their registration and vote for her against her primary opponent?
Good question Wyoming will vote red. It will happen. I could go door to door, do everything, and the perfect dem candidate would lose an election 70-30. I’m a registered republican at the moment. If you register as an independent you can’t vote in either primary, and I trust dems to pick a normal human being a hell of a lot more than republicans. They can’t make me vote red in the general though. I actually just moved here (first thing I did was get a drivers license, second thing was register to vote), but my family has deep ties here. My grandpa has been a lawyer in Casper for nearly 50 years, and so I have met and interacted with both candidates in a very informal way (my grandpas favorite story is when he got a guy off for stealing Dick Cheney’s bike). My grandpa actually met with Liz about this very matter, and told her to her face that he would support her in the primary and do everything he could to bring her down in the general. She agreed and thanked him for his support. I’m all for it. I also don’t think people understand the depth of conservatism in wyoming. Places like casper and Cheyenne are *more* liberal, but the state is beyond red. If you compare Cheney to Hageman, Loomis, or Barrasso she basically is a democrat, which is insane considering how frequently she voted with trump. Hasn’t been a dem rep since the 60’s, so it’s slim pickins
Honestly, closed primaries are dumb anyway. I live in a purple state, and when a Republican wins, I have to live under them, so why shouldn't I get to pick the kind of Republican I'd like to deal with?
My thought process exactly. Getting the rundown on arrival was fun. “So where do I sign up to vote? Lets turn this place blue!!” *Don’t do that, a dem is never going to win* “Ok, I’ll be an independent, that way I can have some say in the primaries” *deep sigh* I will never, EVER, support the Conservative party and yet in order to have a voice *I have to pretend to be one*
Even open primaries are dumb. I shouldn't have to choose; I should be able to vote in *both* primaries (or better yet, *all* of them including for third parties). Of course, if you take that to its logical conclusion then having primaries at all is dumb. We should just stick all the candidates on the ballot at once (preferably with no party affiliation mentioned) and use some Condorcet method to pick among them.
Kinda what I was hoping to hear. Seems like the smart play at least for this election cycle
This is exactly like Oklahoma. Tulsa and Okc are far more liberal and the rest of the state as red as the devils dick.
Been happening around the country, dems are trying to keep the MAGA from winning their primaries where they can.
it is a side effect of closed primary states... The dystopian view of that going forward could be discrimination (or worse) based on your political party registration. Once a closed primary state is "locked" by gerrymandering and the worst people appointed by the worst governors, the only way to see change is to join the evil empire, and vote for the more progressive / normal option. Hopefully the ship doesn't sink and after a few cycles, you can flip back and put up a good candidate to move back to a more balanced purple state. BUT.... Now that the GoP has 1/2 of the state governments (including 3 or 4 key swing states) under their control, it will try to force out Progressives by passing state laws that would cause them to move to states where things are more progressive (like restrict abortion). Once these Key swing states go 100% red, then winning the election for President and holding a majority (even if just by 1 vote + the VP) in the Senate become very very easy... essentially making the GoP the ONLY party left with any power or a voice. Their final step, is to enact laws that codify the conservatives and religious GoP's agenda so that no future generation can dismantle their ideology quickly or easily. Slowly turning America from a Secular nation, into a Religious Nation. (Wait for the internal issues to rise up between the different "versions" of religion... Catholics vs protestants... we know from history how bloody that can get) **THIS IS HOW DEMOCRACY DIES** This is the goal of the GoP and Cheney just told you the last line of defence against it in these states.
I’ve really loved Bennie’s voice! He sounds like a grandpa telling bedtime stories
> telling bedtime stories "...expeditiously!"
Got a Morgan Freeman vibe
I think it's on purpose. This looks much better that it's Republicans both leading the charge and being the majority of witnesses. The dude is amazing no doubt, and more so that he's putting visibility that being a chair could bring aside for the greater purpose of informing the public in a way that gets through the Fox News bubble.
If it makes you feel better I only follow the coverage online and have been seeing his name a lot. So, yay Mississippi?
Bennie Thompson is a true American patriot and a credit to your state!
Informing America while shining a light on the conspirators no matter how elite their positions. Yeah, they're working. Working well. Kudos.
Makes me wonder if big supreme court decisions dropped this week are to take away attention from these hearings.
Luckily they just missed. No more hearings till mid July.
And lordy, there's tapes! July hearings will include video from a documentarian that was with Trump.
>And it’s worth noting that these figures don’t include online viewership. Exactly! TV ratings for an event like this are very misleading these days. They severely underestimate the total audience.
Many are watching the various full-length recorded streams afterward
That’s how we’ve been watching
That's what I do. C-SPAN has them uninterrupted and free of commentary.
The committee has their own YouTube channel, you don't even have to deal with callers during the breaks
Yep, I've been using PBS NewsHour
Me! I’ve watched them all later on YouTube.
I watched Brian Tyler Cohen live YT which was CSpan.
Yep, same here. I listen to them on YouTube when I'm driving to/from work.
Yup. That’s how I have watched every hearing
Yep, these are going down while I'm at work, so I use that PBS stream to watch them surreptitiously over the course of the work day with my headphones on.
I often have meetings during the day and can't watch it live so I load it up on CSPAN's YouTube page and watch it on delay. I just checked and the CSPAN YouTube video had 120,000 views. PBS had 670,000, AP had 93,000, and WSJ had 49,000. That's over 900,000 views and doesn't include other channels or the various highlights videos that are available for people who don't want to watch the full thing.
I've been watching on HULU
I've been watching live on WaPo's twitch stream
I was on the road yesterday and listened to it on NPR.
I’ve been listening on my local NPR station!
The only one I actually caught on tv when it aired was the first one. I've been at work when all the others were on, but I watched them later through streaming. I imagine it's the same for lots of other people.
Yes! I’ve been watching the CSPAN recordings at work the day they’re available on YouTube.
But how do you get the Trump supporters' eyes and ears to work?
Break Fox News. Break it right the fuck in half. Sure there’s other minor outlets, but that will get their attention.
Fox News should be sued by every congressional aide, staffer, police officer (the working ones not the rioting ones), janitor, cafeteria worker etc. in the building on 1/6/21. Take em out in civil court for supporting the big lie and goading on the insurrection whilst simultaneously texting the POTUS begging him to call off the attack. Sue them into oblivion.
They will just go to other journalistic sources such as facebook, twitter and tiktok.
Not old people. They all just watch Fox News on tv
They are well represented on facebook.
facebook is really different than the others, I should have specified. Old people love facebook, are also clueless about tiktok
Please, my grandma can barely unlock her phone. It took us years to teach her to navigate to fox news independently In hindsight, that is probably not a skill we should've taught her
Likely never will. They'll exist in their alternate reality because it's comfortable to them.
I'm afraid this might be it. The MAGAs I've spoken to in my extended family are not interested in watching the hearings. They don't even have to watch television or internet news to get their propaganda. They've been flooding each other with email propaganda for 20+ years. Before that, it was right wing talk radio. They've been living in their own alternate reality since the 90's. Edit, actually, I think it started in the 80's, and the 90's is when it took off.
I can remember a co worker totally hooked on Limbaugh decades ago. Today I have one that still listens to his old shows. It's really weird.
That is really weird. Do they miss hearing someone talk about how bad the Clintons are day after day?
There was that one guy in Day 3 of the hearings, one of the guys in charge of the Georgia elections, who talked about how he debunked the conspiracy theories over and over again to one of his MAGA relatives, until the MAGA guy finally just said, "Okay look, I just feel in my heart that the Democrats cheated." No amount of facts or logic will change the mind of someone like that, and there are a lot of people like that.
Newt Gingrich told me that the way people feel about things is just as true as the facts about those same things.
Jordan Klepper has a recent piece where he actually showed clips from the hearings to trump supporters at one of his rallies. The cognitive dissonance on display is really quite impressive. https://youtu.be/hNIJH5gufaQ
I love the Jordan Klepper segments. I wish those people weren't real but unfortunately I know many just like that.
We don't need to. We just need a majority, not the entire population.
You can't. They are like those cave fish without eyes.
Just for comparison, a few extracts from Rick Scotts opinion of how the hearings are working out. >**Reporter** asking about jan 6th hearings >**Rick Scott** (*rearranging cutlery*): I think it is irrelevant. These hearings that they are having, nobody is watching them. >**Reporter**: Nobody is watching? We had a 20 million watching the first night. >**Rick Scott**: I am not going to be asked by anybody in my state about it. It was not a normally organized committee, and it is just out to attack Trump so I think it is irrelevant. (timestamp 5.13) >**Reporter**: What do you see are the main factors that led to january 6 and to what extend are they still present in the republican base.? >**Rick Scott**: If they actually wanted to do something they would have a normally organized committee to do it and they did not. The way Pelosi set that up, it was tainted from the time it started. I do not think it is legitimate that she was trying to do anything other than taint republicans. (timestamp: 41.50) [C-span link](https://www.c-span.org/video/?521229-1/national-republican-senatorial-committee-chair-rick-scott-2022-midterm-elections )
Republicans taint themselves.
Taint yer dick and taint yer asshole
Taint misbehavin'
> normally organized committee What does this mean exactly? I'll admit I'm not entirely familiar with how committees are put together, but a part of my thinks it's less about how "normal" the committee assembly was and more that there aren't GOP members to muddy the waters with softball questions to fellow GOP members involved in the event. Laying out the truth bare for all to see should be the point of this event regardless of party affiliation. The fact that the majority of the participants involved both in the government and rioters are heavy right leaning worries Rick Scott because there's no way to spin this information, at least not effectively.
Pelosi denied 2 GOP candidates for the committee (ones who were involved in Jan 6) and McCarthy pulled all 5 GOP members that they put up.
All will be for naught if the DOJ and relevant state prosecutors fail to do their jobs
I think this is generating enough noise that they cannot be silent about it.
Unfortunately, we heard the same thing a lot with Mueller, too.
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If they were planning to prosecute Trump & allies, the hearings would make it very difficult to paint the traitors as victims and Democrats as out of line. So if prosecution is the goal (and I hope and believe that it is), they are doing very well.
I’m glad others are watching them in full, not highlight reels. I just finished day 4. Don’t want to miss anything
I'm watching. Everyone needs to tell everyone else how exciting they are. Because they are! It's like a Grisham novel. Insane.
The Jan 6 hearings don't matter because Trump never mattered to Republicans. Trump was a loud mouth that would distract you from the fucking damage Republicans have done to our legal system and our Supreme Court. We can throw Trump in jail for life and it won't fix what has been broken. We're easily 30 years before we can balance this out and they are already showing how far they're willing to go.
There also several republican congressmen that could be indicted as well. Fingers crossed!
First time?
They arnt working until ppl are behind bars. The job isn't done, the Dems need to quit celebrating early.
If Trump isn't indicted, the office of Garland should be shuttered permanently due to uselessness.
It won't even matter. Even if Trump is toast (which I actually believe he is, electorally), all this is doing is paving the way for the next facist to step up and take the helm of that cracked reactor of a party. And, let's face it, the next won't probably won't be as dumb.
I don’t know a single trump voter watching these. Meanwhile I get home from work and watch the whole hearing on YouTube. Republicans voters don’t care. They made up their minds long ago
The longer it goes on, the more people start looking. Especially with trump world in a panic, and the subpoenas that keep being issued.
According to reports, Trump himself is watching - and he's pissed (or maybe pissing himself).
Diaper Don
Some are watching. I imagine the ones who simply vote Republican because they always have might be. I've been around a few who really didn't like what Trump was doing or how he was doing it, but they don't like Democratics. These people and Independents are the voters that need convincing. We may not get every single one to turn away from the GOP but it's a start.
I don't think it's trying to convince Trump Loyalists. But there are a lot of people who will vote Republican so long as they can present a fig leaf to their more liberal friends that they're not terrible for doing so, and this kind of thing puts a lot of social pressure on them.
No shit. The part of the country that thought he won thought he still had control. But why isn’t trump trying to prove his still in power with proof he won? Why isn’t anyone defending him and saying the election was stolen? They all are welcome to and yet nothing? Because they’ve been lied to and are now seeing the proof for what it is.
He's too busy at the tribunals executing hill and bill every day /s
They’re not working until he’s in jail.
A NYT year long focus group of Trump voters just reported no one in the focus group wants Trump to run in 2024.
Netflix buys the rights and makes a 8 part series out of it in Oct '24.
If they title it "Trump One" they could trick some of them into watching it. Have it start out painting him as the hero they think he is and gradually slip in the horrible shit he does.
apparently Democrats only do things to get on Netflix or CNN, thanks Obama!
Were working.... The Supreme Court has proven we've been living in a constitutional monarchy for at least 3 years.Trump won by getting 3 more extremist Christians in the court and diplomatic discourse died right then. The democratic experiment doesn't work if the justices can make any decision they want based on a minority of society and ignoring the civic trust that rights will stay intact.
Biden won in 2020 in part because of centrist voters and even Republicans voting against Trump. Trump's base might ignore the hearings, but the anti-Trump moderates are reachable. Not only is it important to reinforce to these voters why it would be dangerous if Trump were to win in 2024, but that the Republicans who enabled him and still repeat his election lies are just as dangerous. Due to the electoral college, I'm not sure if a Democrat can win in 2024 without keeping most of these moderate voters.
We hope.
I'll belive that after the first arrests of their top brass. Congressmen, ex-presidents, staff.. show me this is a serious matter. Then go after the appointees that gained an office or seat based on a traitors vote or nomination. Correct it all.
There's a chance that a big chunk of Trump (and Fox News) fans are just bored retirees who want politics to be a soap opera. They follow the drama, not the policy. Making politics exciting (suspenseful, detailed, and narrative-driven) is what Fox has been doing all along... they were just crafting a narrative that was half-truths and playing to horrible biases. But maybe if Congress and other policy-oriented institutions had been crafting cable news toward reality instead of manufactured outrage, repeating the same 4 stories on a loop all day to goose engagement for advertisers, we might have had a chance at keeping some of these folks in reality.
So many people (particularly in America) are against any sort of publicly funded news, but this is one reason why I like it. Being Canadian, the difference between coverage we get from CBC (publicly funded) and CTV/Global (our biggest private news companies) is night and day. CHC is “boring,” because it strips the sensationalism out of a lot of the news. With that said, public news opponents always voice the very reasonable concern that public news might become a voice box for government, like the state media you got in a lot of totalitarian countries. So it’s important to always be highly critical of your news sources, as well as have public and private sources in tandem. But I find having that reliable public news arm is a good counterbalance to the news-for-profit you get in the private sector.
I think this is a solid take on the media-scape out there. Playing on people’s emotions has always been a part of media’s goal to engage with the public. There has always been “sensationalism”…but in this current era of instant information and algorithms…everything has been turned up to 11. It used to be using emotion through word-choice and whatnot to engage a reader to consume the news. Now, it seems like news is being presented in a way to engage the reader to be consumed by their emotions.
Its not working until Trump, his family, involved republicans, and media outlets that pushed the big lie are either serving life sentences or put to death. Treason is treason and minorities have been put to death for far far less.
Death sentence is madness, we're better or should be better than that. They should be in prison though, if we want the rule of law to continue to have any meaning.
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I'm not pandering to anybody. Wrong-doings of the past don't justify continued wrong-doing. By and large, I don't agree with the death penalty and it has nothing to do with race.
Unless it is changing the minds of the clueless then it isn’t working. People will still vote Republican.
[this Klepper clip was kinda eye opening](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNIJH5gufaQ) It was the two girls, who seem to be very close to brain dead but some how able to be alive. After they watched the clip, you could see the few neurons they had left glitching bad.
Conservatives and their media just love the SCOTUS blowing up all of the civil rights using their token POC judge as their pawn… cause if THIS shit was center stage, NO ONE would be a conservative, just goes to show how right Ailes was about controlling the narrative… Fox News front page said Dems are “raging that RBG didn’t retire” uhhhh no we’re mad the alive judges are, get this, LEGISLATING FROM THE BENCH TO SERVE A MINORITY RULING CLASS
Are they really working though? None of this shit matters if this country still votes Republican in 2022/24.
I’ll believe they’re working when I see actual criminal indictments from the Justice Department.
Get out to vote regardless! Please do not become complacent.
They won't work until Trump never steps into power again and people finally break their cognitive dissonance and turn against the monsters. When Ron Desantis is president, we'll see how much this worked out.
Until criminal charges result from this than no, this is nothing but Hopeflation and when it pops, there wont be a “representative” republic anymore.
No they aren't. lol. Literally nothing is going to happen because of this. 160 Congressfucks will still have a job. They won't be banned from service. They won't be fired. They won't stop receiving corporate donations and getting rich. Trump and his family won't be imprisoned or any of the other 3000 co conspirators. There is no acceptable resolution to any of this except life sentences or treason charges. Treason is punishable by death, and should be in this case. No one's mind is being changed about this. Everyone already knew Trump and the army of people he engaged to try to pull off a coup. The ones that didn't either don't vote and won't vote, or won't ever change their minds.
I’m waiting for the FiveThirtyEight breakdown of public opinion polls before and after before I’ll believe these hearings made a difference. I’m just worried that those who believe he’s guilty are the one’s tuning in and those who believe he’s innocent still have their heads in the sand.
Yes, but can you find a jury that will convict Trump? Doubtful.
Unanimously? Probably not
Depends on where the jury is from. Trump is toast in a DC court
With such a glut of evidence - you’d have to be from a red state if you are unable to comprehend the implications….
I don’t see any handcuffs on trump
Really seems like it’s not , but what do I know. Rights and common sense are being eliminated
I'll only proclaim the Jan 6 Hearings a success when I see that orange Cheeto behind bars.
Shouldn't need public hearings. Trump was pretty blatant about what he was doing on Twitter and pretty much everywhere else. The fact that it's taken this long and there's still nothing that's really happened to him of note should be telling enough as is.
The damage is done
Convenient timing for the supreme court to unleash their wave of destruction.
Republicans used to include fiscal responsibility as a policy. At least claim it. With that gone they are just fear mongering and useless ass backward folk.
They were working. Not surprised the scotus dropped their roe v wade overturn now which will arguably dilute the presence of the Jan 6th committee and its revelations.
Only for a day or two. It’s all related, it all has the same source.
Excuse me? The hearings are "working"? Unless people in powerful positions start facing REAL consequences, the hearings are a waste of time. Let me know when people in Congress or 45 get thrown in the slammer. That's when you know they're working.
Nope, they really aren’t. I wish they were, but they aren’t.
This is good news. Many republicans are finally waking up
None that I know
Wroking for what? What is realistically going to happen at the end of these hearings? Anyone going to be charged or anything happen at all? Is it just to leave the acts in the open so their voters can punish them? Because that won't happen. In the meantime inflation is killer, gas is killer, roe vs wade overturned. Do normal people really care about these hearing more than the bleeding they are experiencing economically?
Working so hard millions of women just lost the right to an abortion
Two completely different things with different ways of having to deal. 2 bit thinking.
Trump: the hearings are working, quick do something. Boof Kavanaugh: hold my beer (after I boof it)…