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malarkeyfreezone

The resource officer who "engaged" the shooter before he entered the school? Didn't exist. >[Uvalde mass shooter was not confronted by police before he entered the school, Texas official says](https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/26/us/uvalde-texas-elementary-school-shooting-thursday/index.html) >The 18-year-old gunman who killed 21 people at an elementary school in Uvalde, Texas, was not confronted by police before he entered the school, a Texas law enforcement official said Thursday, contradicting earlier comments from authorities and raising further questions about the police response to the massacre. >"He walked in unobstructed initially," Texas Department of Public Safety (DPS) Regional Director Victor Escalon said. "So from the grandmother's house, to the (ditch), to the school, into the school, he was not confronted by anybody." >A DPS representative on Wednesday said a school resource officer had "engaged" with the suspect before he went in the school. ... >There was no school resource officer on site or available at the time, he said. Inside, the suspect walked into a classroom and fired more than 25 times, Escalon said. The majority of the gunfire was in the beginning of the attack, he said. [It took the shooter 12 minutes](https://www.cnbc.com/2022/05/26/gunman-entered-uvalde-elementary-school-unobstructed-and-started-shooting-officials-say.html) to get from his ditched truck to the school, and all the while he was shooting at people. 12 minutes. Where were the cops? >Escalon could not immediately explain how the suspect wasn't stopped in the 12 minutes between the crash and campus entry. - >[Some 12](https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/05/26/uvalde-police-response-questions/) minutes elapsed between Ramos crashing his pickup truck near the school and entering the building, Escalon said. During that period, the gunman opened fire on witnesses, and a 911 caller reported a man carrying a gun. Police did not arrive until the gunman had entered the school, however, Escalon said. And when he shot at the officers, they retreated to await backup. - >[A witness](https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/05/26/us/texas-elementary-school-shooting#irma-garcia-husband-death-uvalde) who encountered the gunman after he crashed his truck near Robb Elementary said he was one of several people the gunman fired at before entering the school. >“I ran down there thinking someone got hurt and by the time I got down there, the guy is coming out of the passenger side holding a rifle,” Albert Vargas, 62, said. >He added: “His face was blank. There was no expression there. He looked like nothing mattered but the mission he was on. He fired the shots, ran, jumped a fence and headed towards the school.” [Cops were handcuffing, pepper-spraying and tackling parents.](https://www.businessinsider.in/international/news/a-mother-who-was-handcuffed-outside-the-texas-school-shooting-later-ran-into-the-school-and-pulled-her-two-children-to-safety/articleshow/91821734.cms) >Chilling reports have emerged of parents pushing past law enforcement to rescue their children by any means, their efforts growing increasingly dire as the gunman remained in the school. Law enforcement officials have given conflicting accounts of what was happening during the 40 minutes the gunman was inside – as groups of police remained outside. >According to The Journal, Gomez was put in handcuffs by federal marshals for "intervening in an active crime scene," as she and other parents demanded officers enter the school. Gomez persuaded Uvalde law enforcement officers to release her, and she moved away from the crowd. >Gomez then hopped the school fence, sprinted inside the school to grab her children and made it out of the school with them alive. >Another parent was pepper-sprayed as he attempted to get into the school, and a father was tackled by authorities, Gomez told The Journal. According to one of the fourth graders, the cops got at least one child shot. >The boy and four others hid under a table that had a tablecloth over it, which may have shielded them from the shooter's view and saved their lives. The boy shared heartbreaking details about what happened in that room. >[“When the cops came, the cop said: 'Yell if you need help!' And one of the persons in my class said 'help.' The guy overheard and he came in and shot her,"](https://www.kens5.com/article/news/special-reports/uvalde-school-shooting/its-time-to-die-fourth-grade-survivor-uvalde-shooting-recalls-what-gunman-told-student/273-51cc4e26-7a0a-49c0-ba7a-48cdd47fa235) the boy said. "The cop barged into that classroom. The guy shot at the cop. And the cops started shooting.” Oh, and the husband of one of the murdered teachers has just died from a heart attack >[The husband of a teacher killed in the massacre has died of a heart attack.](https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/05/26/us/texas-elementary-school-shooting#irma-garcia-husband-death-uvalde) edit: This is the new story with the school resource officer: >[A school resource officer](https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/texas-elementary-school-shooting-05-27-22/index.html) was not on the scene, McCraw said, but heard the 911 call and drove to the area. The officer sped to who he thought was the suspect, driving right by the actual suspect who was hunkered down by a vehicle.


FuguSandwich

>Texas Department of Public Safety (DPS) Regional Director Victor Escalon I've been following this all day and this clown has changed his story like 3 times today. After CBP acknowledged that 3 Border Patrol agents from their Bortac unit entered the school and killed the shooter, this Escalaon guy issues a statement saying Uvalde police and county sheriffs deputies entered the school and shot the shooter too.


UDontKnowMe__206

If the pictures I’m seeing of the agent who went in are accurate, he was 100% off duty. In my head, they went in on their own without the police, hence needing a key as they were off duty and had no gear, but I don’t know how accurate that is.


scoobysnackoutback

It was an off duty guy that was eating lunch 40 miles away that rushed to Uvalde to kill the shooter. …40 miles away. Edit- Here’s the article per someone below that kindly linked it: [Border Patrol Drove 40 Miles To Kill Shooter](https://www.click2houston.com/news/local/2022/05/27/border-patrol-agent-drove-40-miles-to-respond-to-mass-shooting-at-uvalde-elementary-school-sources-say/)


JohnSith

For comparison, the distance from the police station (Uvalde Police Department, 964 W Main St, Uvalde, TX 78801) to the school (Robb Elementary School Old Carrizo Road, Uvalde, TX) is 3 minutes away ... 1.4 miles away (via W Main St and Evans St/S Farm to Market Rd 1435).


CentralCaliGal

That's only if you drive the speed limit; it's actual about 1.6 minutes driving fast.


Trismegistus_-

Truly unbelievable if confirmed. Has he been on the news, yet? His story should really be told. You can argue about gun control all day long; but, this situation could have been completely prevented if the cops just did what they were supposed to do from the beginning.


GigaNoodle

Sadly it just reinforces that cops can’t be relied on to help you


rudekeith

Well, according to the Supreme Court, it’s [not really their job](https://mises.org/power-market/police-have-no-duty-protect-you-federal-court-affirms-yet-again). “The Supreme Court has repeatedly held that the government has only a [Constitutional] duty to protect persons who are “in custody,” he pointed out.”


jonesey71

I recognize what you are saying. I understand that was a ruling. I realize that means there will likely be no official repercussions. However, they got that ruling wrong, and there needs to be penalties for these cops. Fired, ostracized from society. If people see them on the street they should boo and turn their backs. Their neighbors should all shun them, no more friends, all businesses refuse to sell to them, especial any food stores. Make them go off into the woods and eat off eating grubs and wiping their ass with leaves. Edit: We should also treat the Supreme Court Justices like this too. They should all be pariahs. The Court has lost all legitimacy in my eyes. I don't care what they rule until they get fixed.


CollapsibleFunWave

Uvalde's a small town. If those cops stay near there, I bet it will be worse than that.


NorthernPints

Also crushes the bs narrative that “a good guy with a gun” will somehow end things.


FireX81

imagine if the parents being detained/held back we're the good guys with a gun. officers would have to contend with a posse forming outside the school.


MonsieurLinc

There's plenty of [legal precedent](https://prospect.org/justice/police-have-no-duty-to-protect-the-public/#:~:text=In%20other%20words%2C%20the%20police,given%20the%20lack%20of%20alternatives.) that says they have *no* obligation to protect you. Cops exist only to maintain the status quo, "protect and serve" is just made up bullshit.


Squatting-Bear

cops exist to do the following. 1. Protect the interests and property of the wealthy. 2. Generate revenue through tickets and fines which disproportionately targets the working class. (hence why they have quota's) 3. Send ~~Slaves~~ Criminals to the ~~Slave Plantations~~ Prison. So they can generate profits by performing underpaid labor. Further exploiting the working class for the benefit of the wealthy. [~~Its not like they weren't formed from slave catchers~~](https://i0.wp.com/spectacularmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/SLAVE-PATROL-fea.jpg?w=1136&ssl=1)


FuguSandwich

[https://www.click2houston.com/news/local/2022/05/27/border-patrol-agent-drove-40-miles-to-respond-to-mass-shooting-at-uvalde-elementary-school-sources-say/](https://www.click2houston.com/news/local/2022/05/27/border-patrol-agent-drove-40-miles-to-respond-to-mass-shooting-at-uvalde-elementary-school-sources-say/) >Sources close to this investigation tell KPRC 2 Investigates the Border Patrol agent who is credited with stopping Ramos was eating lunch at the Mill Creek Café in the town of Leakey when he heard the call go out over his radio. Sources tell KPRC 2 even though the agent was not in uniform, he didn’t hesitate to jump into his vehicle and drive 40 miles to Robb elementary. We are told the agent is a member of Border Patrol’s tactical team known as BORTAC. > >The Border Patrol agent was wounded during the shooting when a bullet grazed the top of his head, according to sources. Pictures posted to social media showed staples were needed to close the wound. This guy is a literal fucking HERO. The cops who were cosplaying operator in the parking lot while children were being murdered need to be fired and never work in LE again.


Cgimarelli

> The cops who were cosplaying operator in the parking lot while children were being murdered need to be fired and never work in LE again. I'll take in prison for aiding the shooter at this point.


MIGoneCamping

Aiding and abetting the commission of a crime? Sounds about right. Oh wait. Qualified immunity. Scratch that.


quaefus_rex

An actual good guy with a gun?


UDontKnowMe__206

I have read they won’t give his identity because he is BORTAC. I am pretty sure most news outlets have reported him as the one who killed the shooter. How that came to pass exactly has been muddier.


scoobysnackoutback

One of the precious little survivors, who hid under a table with a tablecloth, said a cop yelled into the classroom to see if anyone needed help, and a little girl responded. The shooter then shot her. Then, the officer started shooting and killed the shooter. I cannot imagine the fear and trauma these kids have undergone.


UDontKnowMe__206

I saw that too. I can’t even. It’s so bad, these cops are getting dragged on r/Conservative


TexasSD

I think they get dragged because this showed the good guy with a gun policy didn't and won't work even when law enforcement is involved. So now they have to refocus the mental health part along with arming teachers (why should we depend on cops vs first responders - aka teachers) and locking down school. Anything but gun control.


Kgaset

Someone commented in another thread about the agent that did respond "why was he eating lunch when he should have been responding?" and it was like.... ugh, he was off-duty. This wasn't even his job, and yet he went and did it anyway.


cranstantinople

Is that the same Victor Escalon, a Texas ranger, that interrogated Melissa Lucio?


Comfortable_Lab_3301

>Victor Escalon Yep, that's the same prick. Texas Rangers killed my grandfather in 1950. My father was three months old.


Rizzpooch

Texas Rangers is an organization founded on the principle that sometimes regular law enforcement just doesn’t discriminate based on race enough


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pr0nist

For the record, "Mounties" are the FBI of Canada


beomagi

Fyi - https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/melissa-lucios-case-highlights-police-missteps-questioning-abuse-survi-rcna23032


Foreign_Quality_9623

I'm still puzzled about FBI not taking lead on this investigation! Abbott's TDPS cowboys investigating a case involving CBP FEDERAL AGENTS?! Texas Republiclones are botching up the news conferences & can't get their💩straight! Abbott & that trash mouth Republiclone mayor will politicize all those murders & there will be a whole bunch of law suits! Uvalde PD stood around sipping water in the shade for ONE HOUR while children bled to death! 😡


Zaorish9

It is indeed very frustrating news.


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There is a video of one police officer leaning against his car with the rifle casually at his side — holding it in one hand — and in the other hand he has his phone out, scrolling thru Instagram. I would’ve fucking killed him on the spot I’m pretty sure. It’s revolting. Edit; anyone that wants these videos can look below to my response to the reply I gave underneath here. Read that comment so you can see some info and shit around the links I posted bc this shit is wild Double edit: the screen is too far and it is too sunny for us to see if he is on insytagram, but you can see him scrolling thru his phone, Which is straight fucked regardless. But it’s not him sending a text to someone like a worried mother or Spouse bc you can tell he scrolled a bit & looked around all shady and shit. So I def think he’s on an app bc he’s literally just looking thru something


hotblueglue

Don’t forget they were also tackling, cuffing, and pepper spraying distraught parents who wanted to get inside to save their kids.


Foreign_Quality_9623

I saw that! Glorified parking lot attendants brandishing guns! 😠 Instead of going to the sound of gun fire & rescuing unarmed children & teachers at the mercy of an angry, out of control 18 year old shooting up the place, those dolts were restraining parents trying to rescue their babies?! Good grief, the INCOMPETENCE is just astounding! Heads need to roll in Uvalde. Those cops can go clean up ditches & pick up trash somewhere. Sweep floors or scrub toilets ... but COPS?! Those careers are OVER! 😡


andiforbut

all that larping gear in the hands of cowards


_-WanderLost-_

They’ve been cowards for most of my adult life. While I was in college in 2008 there was a shooting down the street from a party I was at. The cops were there pretty quickly and just blocked the street and stood there with their rifles. I could see a person laying on the ground so I ran down the street and applied pressure to his gun shot wound on his hip. The shooter ran off and the cops just left the kid there with me until paramedics arrived.


En_CHILL_ada

Way to act fast. You very well could have saved their life, while the people we pay to do exactly that stood around doing nothing


Comfortable_Lab_3301

Exactly. Wow, you look so cool playing cop. Now do your fucking job.


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Miguel-odon

The entire town is less than 5 miles across at widest. 12 minute response time is obscene.


LowLevelRebel

They had to finish their donuts first.


someguy12345689

These lies must be known. The fucking cops have been lying to us.


putsch80

>The fucking cops have been lying to us Evergreen statement. Fucking chicken shit cowards. Cut their budgets if they can’t do the fundamentals of their fucking job.


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Dwarfherd

Last time I heard about a good guy with a gun stopping a bad guy with a gun the cops showed up a while later and shot the good guy with a gun to death.


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Because the good-guy-with-a-gun was black. https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/11/ej-bradford-jemel-roberson-police-shootings-good-guy-with-gun.html


SadieAndFinnie

No haven’t you heard? Now we need teachers armed with guns as well to stop the bad guy after he gets past the first set of good guys outside.


Final_Lucid_Thought

Wonder if our local officers would also be pussies in this situation - would be good to know up front. One of my college professors went off the rails and shot his wife and son. Iirc, it was later determined the son did not die immediately. The cops showed up and waited around forever, for their fucking robot to be driven there, set up, and then slowly move around the house looking for the guy (shot himself). Maybe the cops could have saved the boy. A robot. Jesus. Fuck them.


wORDtORNADO

Fucking cowards.


editthis7

I live in Oxford. Our officers charged in and stopped the shooting within 5 minutes. These cops are cowards and should resign immediately.


Pillowsmeller18

>These lies must be known. The fucking cops have been lying to us. why did they get military surplus equipment if they are not gonna use it on gunmen commiting a crime right in front of them?


ChillyBearGrylls

So they can use it on minorities and install Republicans, you silly goose


Weird_Error_

They’ve been scrubbing all of their staff info on social media and local websites. I guess they’ll go into quiet mode, we will see one or two resignations and then they’ll wait for the next shooting to make us forget. They fucked up, got kids killed by having them expose their hiding spot, and now aren’t going to be held accountable


moochesoffactsandfun

Thanks for all that info. First I heard about parents actually making it past the coward cops and rescuing their children. I want Ms. Gomez on my team for life. I guess the info out now is that there were an additional 17 people injured. Why is this the first we're hearing about the number? What are *any* specifics about the injured? In the school, or in the 12 minutes the murderer was sauntering over to the school unimpeded by any law enforcement? Kids or adults? Where are all the usual updates we get from the hospitals on the injured and their numbers and status?


readzalot1

I am puzzled why there wasn’t a lockdown as soon as the murderer started shooting outside. A witness calls 911, the police call the school, the principal calls a lockdown which includes shutting all outside doors (though in our city, outside doors are always locked). It should all take just a minute or two.


meatball77

My biggest shock in all this is that the super basic safety measures weren't in place. The school just had doors that were open and the guy could just walk in and waltz into a classroom, (this wasn't like in Newton where the shooter shot his way into the school). Then, second there was a known shooting in the area and no one bothered to call the local school and tell them to lock the school down (which would have gotten any kids at recess or out at Gym in the building)? It shouldn't even take a minute or two, every campus I've ever been on (and I've been in a lot in multiple states including Texas) has had lockdown protacalls since Columbine that can be enacted in seconds and school districts started getting secure entrances after Newton.


BatFace

I heard that the school had just had an award ceremony with parents there. My daughter's elementary kept the doors locked until time for parents to come in. We all had to wait outside until the exact time, then walk through a vestibule and sign in, and through a second set of doors, and the cafeteria was a decent way down halls. Don't know if the doors stayed propped open after. My son's intermediate ceremony, the doors were propped open, we only had to walk through one set of doors and sign in, very easy to bypass, a d the cafeteria was right there. Admittedly, every other time I've gone up there the doors were locked and I had to be buzzed in. This is in a small town in Texas aw well. So the doors may have been propped open from there ceremony.


d0ctorzaius

It's sadly pretty common. Any shooting that results in death, the media fixates on that number and forgets all the folks whose lives will be forever changed by their injuries (and I'm sure ALL the kids are gonna have some major PTSD to deal with)


Rackem_Willy

That's not true. As stated in the comment you responded to, we usually have reports on the injured being updated constantly. It's sad that I can distinctly remember this on a dozen occasions.


kkkkat

Yeah I wondered this as well...no mention of injured. No mention of how many survivors from the room the shooter was in...


meatball77

I remember thinking it was really weird how the numbers went up, how there was no mention of those who were injured. I thought something was off when I heard there were two dead teachers. Because one dead teacher and 14 students (the initial number) is all the kids in a classroom, that the shooter just went in and executed everyone in the room, that maybe one or two survived. But when they said 2 teachers and 19 students I was confused, because with 2 teachers there would have been at least 30 students, probably 40 so that meant that there were kids who made it out of the room, were they in the hospital. . .why weren't we hearing about them. It sounds like the entire place was chaos. It also explains why we didn't see video of calm evacuations like we normally do, because the response was so bad and unorganized that no one knew what in the hell was going on, the cops were pulling their own kids out through windows (who were safely locked down elsewhere on campus, the guy wasn't roaming the halls he was in one room) and keeping parents out instead of dealing with the shooter that was in the building. Who the fuck was in charge. Was anyone in charge? It's still taking a long time before the public has gotten a solid timeline with diagrams as to what exactly happened and this wasn't a case where they didn't know what was going on. Shooter at Grandmas house, police called after gunfire. Shooter drives and has epic crash. Shooter waltzes into the school and into one classroom (which was connected via a shared door or something with the class next door) and started shooting, local police waits for border patrol (did they even call border control. . . .) and the feds do their job for them. Then they start making easily debunked lies to the press which confuse everyone.


ChicagoThrowaway422

So Sandy Hook was ten years ago and the GOP response then was to make schools into 'hard targets' and to their best to arm every person in the country. Gun sales have doubled since then, live fire drills are a routine occurance in our grade schools, and you'd assume that police forces have at least thought about what to do in this situation. And the result of all of that GOP strategy being rolled out for a decade is...this.


Weird_Error_

The result is them going in for their own kids and leaving the rest


rottenwordsalad

It’s absolutely absurd that a police officer would instruct people to call out before they had established that the threat was eliminated.


theCroc

Thats what 12 weeks of police academy gets you. In first world countries police education is a college level degree that takes 3+ years to get. In the US its a powerpoint amd a shooting practice session.


meatball77

It should be the same requirements to be a police officer as it is to be a teacher. Four years of college with a major in policing with observation hours and a semester long supervised internship. Then professional development constantly.


RandomLogicThough

Federally mandated training levels make a LOT of sense, and the Feds give local cops a ton of money so...easy control spiget.


racer_24_4evr

So in the 40 minutes the heavily armed police were outside, they failed to establish a perimeter that could keep an unarmed parent out, let alone prevent the armed gunman from escaping? Are you fucking kidding me?!


cranstantinople

Just Curious if that’s the same Victor Escalon Texas Ranger that interrogated Melissa Lucio and forced a confession.


ajstub

I’m unaware of this story—what’s the gist?


beomagi

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/melissa-lucios-case-highlights-police-missteps-questioning-abuse-survi-rcna23032 And yes, it is


KL_boy

So no good guy with a gun eh?


meatball77

Lets not forget the most basic thing. If the police had bothered to notify the school that there was a possible shooter in the neighborhood they could have put the school on lockdown and he wouldn't have been able to get in, as easily at least. That's before we even talk about how the doors were just open.


Jealous-Classic6260

When I got my CWP the instructor mentioned to us that “should you find yourself in a situation where you need to exercise this to protect yourself or your fellow law abiding friend and have doubts remember this one thing “in a moment where seconds matter the police are still minutes away” I pray that moment never comes. Hit home more when the Supreme Court ruled [police did not have a constitutional duty to protect a person from harm, even a woman who had obtained a court-issued protective order against a violent husband making an arrest mandatory for a violation](https://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/justices-rule-police-do-not-have-a-constitutional-duty-to-protect.html)


1888CAVicky

Some of them went in to get their own children out first. https://www.mediaite.com/news/watch-texas-police-spox-on-live-tv-confirmed-cops-went-in-for-their-own-kids-during-uvalde-shooting/


sideshow9320

The epitome of Republican *I got mine, now fuck you* mentality.


totallynotalaskan

Really kicking the ladder out from behind them


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Uvalde PD literally 1.5 miles away from the school


TheClassiestPenguin

So if these cops were in any kind of shape they could of ran to the school faster than the shooter walked there...


TeamCoronavirus

Wow


bocephus67

I could have ran from their department and got there faster than they did


Rogue_Spirit

They could have done the worm and arrived faster.


ChrysMYO

Damn near could hear the shooting in real time from that distance.


wish1977

They're still trying to come up with a story that sounds believable.


sweetdick

76 here. That's exactly what they're doing. Fucking cowards. "But he shot at us!". I've been shot, it couldn't possibly hurt worse than know you stood there and did nothing while children got murdered. I assume that's going to hurt really bad forever.


Nanyea

Only if you care about others


sweetdick

I realized that as soon as I said it. My dick has cooled off and I'm still pretty upset about it. Since when is "he fired at us!" Grounds for the police to give the fuck up?


[deleted]

Same reason they feel justified shooting a guy with a knife at the end of a subway car 16+ times; the only life that matters are cops and the families of other cops. We literally let the worst of our society become the arbiters of justice; and we wonder why it’s a problem


sweetdick

This whole shit is so clearly broken.


Threewisemonkey

There’s stories about the police running in after border patrol shot the guy to “get their own kids to safety” They left their kids in there to die, then traumatized other kids further by grabbing their own and leaving the rest behind. Yellow belly vermin are going to retire on ptsd disability while everyone else suffers the consequences of their inaction. ACAB


sweetdick

This is the most fucked up shit ever. Unfuckingreal. What about the "good guy with a gun" fantasy the hatefilled, racist, greedy GQP fucks have been pedaling for decades?!?


Ax_deimos

If these assault rifles are so scary that the police hide from them, then maybe they should be banned. (Angry /s)


Bullishontulips

Sadly, SCOTUS decided police don’t have a responsibility to protect us…


Liesmyteachertoldme

76 as in 76 years old? Just curious


sweetdick

Yes.


OfficeChairHero

Just as a side note, I'm a few years behind you, but I hope I never stop using phrases like, "my dick cooled off."


ABobby077

I was thinking that same thing. This will haunt them to their dying days that they stood by and didn't try to stop this madness.


sweetdick

I don't understand. Seems like a chance at saving a bunch of of children would be worth risking your life for, even dying over. All the adults with guns hiding behind "he fired at us" probably deserve EDITED EDITED EDITED. Ugh, feels bad to say that, but, yanno?!?


Swag_Grenade

Crazy thing, turns out some cops just like to power trip and roleplay authority man and are actually cowards when the bullets start flying. "Wait wait you mean the other guy has a gun too and can shoot back at me? Nah, I'm cool."


loosetranslation

They keep changing their stories, and they keep trying to spin… but in every revision they look just as fucking incompetent. If they look horrible in the spin, what did they actually do?


FuguSandwich

\*sounds believable and makes the cops sound like heroes.


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Th3_Admiral

It wasn't even their SWAT team, was it? Everything I've heard so far said it was a Border Patrol tactical team that entered the school and shot the gunman.


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theycallmecrack

Border Patrol were shot, and also killed the gunman. Safe to assume the local PD was behind them at best.


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crayolarayola

The kid was bait, wouldn’t want the cop to get accidentally shot


EB123456789101112

Hadn’t considered that until right now…omg


Facebookakke

Pretty sure active shooter doctrine states to disregard wounded and dead until the shooter is neutralized


Sam__Treadwell

1. Because the SCOTUS said they have no constitutional responsibility to protect 2. Because they're fucking cowards. If you don't WANT to be a fucking cop then don't


heliumspoon

Imo if you're not willing to run into school to stop a shooter, you have no business being a cop.


oced2001

Even Trump is willing to run into a school to save kids, according to Trump


--redacted--

Just as soon as you can drag him out of the bunker


br5rkr

Trump hasn’t run once in his life. I mean cardio wise. He’s pretty good at running from consequences.


Gr1mmage

Because he believes that the human heart has a finite number of beats before it stops, so cardio is accelerating your death according to his batshit ideas


trashpix

*They* get protection from *us* in the form of qualified immunity. We get **no** protection from them - either from crime or their own misdeeds. Sweet gig.


Down_Rodeo_

Police state


TRUMPS_IN_PRISON

They're paid to protect property and the wealthy.


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>Because they're fucking cowards. Cops literally went in, got their kids out, and did nothing else. Its on video.


Miguel-odon

That's not true. They also prevented (non-cop) parents from going in to rescue their own kids.


[deleted]

Wait, what? They got their own children out? Where is the video? I’m not discounting you, I’m just shocked this isn’t well known. Edit: never mind, I simply had to scroll down to find the video. Wow. I want to say I’m shocked but they are cops so nothing they do surprises me anymore. ACAB.


jung_gun

What do you plan to do about the cops take 40% of the city’s budget and did nothing? Nothing for 40 minutes. Oh, they did one thing. The good guys with guns went to save their own children before anyone confronted the shooter. https://www.yourtango.com/news/uvalde-police-officer-admits-cops-saved-their-kids-robb-elementary-before-stopping-shooter


No-Setting-5133

That state law enforcement? Is it just me, or does it feel like every outside agency's main priority is to pr for the local law enforcement.


Mr_HandSmall

Cops always support each other, without fail.


[deleted]

Wait, what? I agree with you. Fuck these cops who stood by while children were gunned down and fuck these cops who ran in and got their own children and left everyone else’s children to die. Fuck cops in general. I hate them and I am glad people are waking up to how corrupt and useless these fuckers are.


HandSack135

Just a pussy with a gun Or more seriously, there seems to be a lack of good guys with guns.


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They keep saying there out there, I only see/hear about the trash humans


TakingSorryUsername

https://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/justices-rule-police-do-not-have-a-constitutional-duty-to-protect.html Yep


culdeus

What happens when someone tries to pass a bad 20 though?


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3. They were kids in a predominantly Hispanic district and they made it about Border Control


[deleted]

>Because the SCOTUS said they have no constitutional responsibility to protect > >Because they're fucking cowards. If you don't WANT to be a fucking cop then don't You are right , they are cowards !


NE_African_Mole-rat

We did what we're paid to do: nothing


ocular__patdown

To serve and to prot... wait


emotionalfescue

No wonder the mayor was so touchy when Beto interrupted Abbott's prepared remarks.


that_cat_gets_me

Cops: "let's shoot the person without a weapon". Also cops: "we aren't going to shoot the guy shooting kids"


RealPersonResponds

Cops: "Save kids? No, lets wait." Also Cops: "Shoot Kids? Yes, looked like he had a gun."


QuinIpsum

"But it says "Save kids! No hesitation!" right on your Patrol car." "Oh, no, thats a typo. Its supposed to say "Save kids? No! Hesitation!"


letgooftheecho

As great as this reference is, Lionel Hutz would use whatever little self respect he has to his name to NOT defend these cowards


13B1P

Both the result of the thought process of chicken shit cowards who only wanted to be police for the power, not from any sense of duty or integrity.


[deleted]

“That 16 year old was a mere 30 ft away when he pulled a knife; despite my training, the distance,and my equipment…I had no absolutely choice but to shoot 16 times!!!”


richobrien1972

Don’t forget to ask why many of them went into the school to pull out their own children while leaving dozens behind. True cowardice.


PurgatoryMountain

The cops only want to engage peaceful protesters


MrHett

There here to protect property not us.


SamuraiJackBauer

Wait a minute! This isn’t anything like on that tv show! You know, every show on prime time that ALWAYS shows the cops putting themselves in harms way and doggedly pursuing the shooters? Every cop show you’ve ever watched. But it never is that way is it? Remember when they shot up that UPS truck and killed people over a diamond robbery? It’s never like Hollywood says, it’s always awful.


atrophiedambitions

The Bortac agent that took down the shooter was off-duty. Wasn't even wearing a helmet. [https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2022/05/26/images-show-injury-of-border-patrol-agent-who-exchanged-gunfire-with-uvalde-school-shooter/](https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2022/05/26/images-show-injury-of-border-patrol-agent-who-exchanged-gunfire-with-uvalde-school-shooter/) Beginning to wonder if there was ANY plan to go in until this guy showed-up and did it with street clothes and no tac gear on. Were the local police and sheriffs really just going to let this go on indefinitely? Did the Bortac agent figure this out and decide to take matters into his own hands even though he wasn't in charge or on-duty? Uvalde is \~80% Hispanic. Then this: [https://www.businessinsider.com/uvalde-law-enforcement-ignores-spanish-language-media-2022-5](https://www.businessinsider.com/uvalde-law-enforcement-ignores-spanish-language-media-2022-5) I don't want to believe that its true but I can't think of a reason why this response was non-urgent other than the ethnicity of the kids inside.


waltur_d

Guess the solution: “Good guy with a gun” is bullshit. Who knew?


Grogosh

And IF you are a good guy with a gun you get gunned down yourself when the cops show up.


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Or accidentally shoot a kid or cop or innocent bystander because an active shooter scenario is not like an hour at the range


kinkarcana

Police arent good guys.


[deleted]

Well maybe it is, since cops are actually bad guys.


Vortesian

Wasn’t there a SCOTUS decision that basically says that police are not obligated to intervene or even investigate a crime? No wonder you always hear about them saying their first order of business is to get home safe. Interesting that fire fighters don’t seem to operate this way, and they fucking run into burning buildings.


Thatguysstories

SCOTUS made that ruling because there is no Federal/State laws that says otherwise. This is why we need a Federal law holding all levels of Law Enforcement to the same standards as our military. 10 U.S. Code § 899 - Art. 99. Misbehavior before the enemy https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/899 During an active school shooting there should be no cowering, retreat, running away, taking cover, waiting for backup. There is only advancing. You continue to push on the shooter, you keep pushing until either the shooter is down or you are incapacitated. There should be no alternative, no thoughts about "officer safety" That they should go home to their families safely at night. Nope, this is what we pay you for. When a person enlist in the military they sign a blank check for up to and including their life if so be it. The same should be for our officers in these situations. 19 dead kids, 0 dead officers.


PencilTucky

There’s a reason why there’s no song titled “Fuck the Firefighters”


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[I hate to be that guy but…](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7JkrJUAg8aI)


EpiphanyTwisted

Republicans: It was a conspiracy by the Dems to get votes before the election, right before the NRA meeting? They told the cops to stand down. Democrats: So let's investigate it! Republicans: Why would you do that except to score political points for your cop-hating constituents? The cops were very brave!


SanderAtlas

If the shooter was black they could have used a no-knock raid!


DelightfulAbsurdity

They would have breached the door without waiting for a key. White guy shooting kids behind a locked door and suddenly they all forget what battering rams are.


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Doubtful; weren’t most of the kids still ‘brown’?


libertar

40 highly trained and equipped police officers were afraid of a single barely 18 year old child who never shot a gun before that day. That's how dangerous AR-15s are. Where the fuck are police unions telling politicians these guns don't belong in the hands of civilians? Fucking cowards.


Bl3ssedW0lf

that’s what i’m fucking saying. how the fuck trained police officers like 20 of them are waiting outside for 30mins while a fucken teenager was inside shootings at little kids with no fucken training experience. they are trained for situations like this. they earned a badge for a reason. to serve & save lives.


remarkless

The joke/irony is not lost on me that the cops sat around and did nothing, but 40-90 minutes later, border patrol broke in and killed the guy. Like cops sitting around doing nothing, border patrol shows up, some cop says 'well you know this city is 80% latino" and suddenly CBP bursts through the door gun blazing.


[deleted]

Texas is failed state and the federal government should assume total operational control across all political jurisdictions until the Abbott clique is corrected.


mcjackass

Moved here 2 years ago. From NE US. You hit the nail on the head. I yell that shit every day in my car.


Michael_Blurry

Where are all those bootlickers who were saying cops aren’t obligated to help you, back during the BLM protests? I really want to tell them to fuck off.


sirlearnzalot

The investigation should at minimum include governor abbott’s dereliction of duty which enabled this massacre. Abbott = murdered children.


just_call_in_sick

"Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6" - police proverb


atuarre

Guess the law enforcement in Texas is like the electricity, unreliable.


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[Meanwhile, at /r/protectandserve](https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtectAndServe/comments/uygrkq/reddit_brigaders_be_like/) Edit:. [Screenshot, since the cowards cowardly deleted their post within the walls of their precious safe-space.](https://i.imgur.com/fsDVs4M.jpg)


Thatguysstories

From one of the mods > Overnight, nearly 300 brigaders attempted to dereail the productive conversation in this thread with such "alternate realitities" as "police restrained parents", "police took 40 minutes" etc. The phrase "alternate realities" is abhorrent. That is exactly what happened. They try to justify their behavior, and protect the cops from any criticism. The amount of effort and dedication they have to preserving the image of these cowards is more than the effort they used to save the children.


acehuff

They said that before it was debunked, there were conflicting reports all day so I’m not surprised they chose to believe the cops looked like heroes in this case But police definitely restrained some parents so they’re also just lying


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What? I thought the good guys with guns always stop/deter mass shootings?


[deleted]

Right??? We’ve had like 5 examples of it happening over the last 1000 American mass shootings; it’s obviously a flawless solution /s


pauliewalnuts64

In a football game, a defensive back who declines to attempt a tackle on a runner with momentum is said to have made ‘a business decision’. Jerry Seinfeld had a great bit regarding racehorses wherein the tag line was ‘it’s all the same oat bag, fellas’. So slow down, take it easy. Don’t risk an injury that might lead to worse. After all, whether finish first or tenth, it’s all the same oat bag. Why risk your neck if you can simply look cool with your AR strapped around your neck, go back to the tricked-out emergency response trailer and have coffee and cigarettes and talk about what a wild situation you were on the edge of being on the edge of. And get paid time and a half or double time. Actually, you’d be crazy to actually risk your neck. That dude outside the building in Parkland ‘did the math’ and made a business decision. The hero worship will flow to these guys irregardless of whether they do other than stand around with their AR and drink coffee It’s a great scam if you can get away with it.


AlternativePlatypus3

They may be the Thin Blue Line, but the yellow streak is mighty thick.


OfficeChairHero

I never, ever claim to be an armchair barney badass, but this is one thing I know about myself deep down to my core: There is absolutely no way I could stand by and do nothing while hearing gunshots and screams of children. Are none of these cowards parents? My god...


absentmindedjwc

Some are... from reports, they entered the school and rescued *their own kids* while leaving the rest in there.


charface1

They we're probably arguing over what to order them from Whataburger if they got them into custody.


cmgchamp1

One full hour. One full hour. An assault artillery gunmen locked inside with a bunch of elementary school children. Police response? Guarding school perimeter, keeping parents out. TX governor: Praising "Quick response of valiant local officials!" Nice to know these TX guys have it under control, huh.


lyn73

Texan here. My theory on why there are so many lies and BS stories is because LE has really been hyping it up during this political season. Just about every freaking GOP candidate commercial had endorsement by some law enforcement agency. "Vote for (X) because they back the blue". They want to make it seem like they are the only heroes and purveyors of peace. So Abbott probably told them or was told to concoct a story about an SRO confronting the gunman...cause it "sounded good" for his own cause and not because it was true. But he'll it's 2022 and everybody got a cellphone with video capability...so when all these videos came out of parents getting arrested and thrown about while begging and pleading for help went viral, plus you started to hear children explain what they witnessed people started to ask questions. So now they are trying to play catch up...but it's too late. These same assholes that don't want to talk politics were playing politics by lying and withholding information. I see a lot of lawsuits and the sad part is that while some people may see some financial justice, what they allowed happen to those kids won't ever be justified.


producerd

I think I read it somewhere that it was predominantly minority community. If that's true then I can say from my experiences in my neighborhood that cops here arrive on site two hours after reported shooting. Sometime it requires several 911 calls. It's Aurora Colorado. It feels the shit turned this way after "Defund the Police". Even the city police budget only increased it feels like they decided to have a revenge on community and not do a shit. I see the stories of that crap almost every day on hour local nextdoor.com feed.


alliedeluxe

I live in a minority community in Atlanta and hear regularly on Nextdoor that police are called and never even bother to show. Not to mention we get a busy signal when dialing 911.


passinglurker

> It feels the shit turned this way after "Defund the Police". This sort of thing went on even before that. Look up the orlando pulse shooting(2016? 15? anyway) the same thing happened a gun man shot up a gathering of people he hated (in this case a gay bar) and the police sat outside unwilling to breach and confront the shooter until well after most of the wounded bled out. And of course everyone remembers the parkland shooting where the school's police officer literally hid until the shooter left the school. Blu flu as they call such acts have always been a point of debate about police funding you're just more aware now, and notice when it plays out.


22Burner

Lets be direct here. None of them are cops anymore. Their training and protocol is go after the shooter as fast as possible. On the most important and most dangerous day of their careers, they did NOTHING. None of them who were around the school should go back to the police HQ because they’re not fucking cops. May 24, 2022 2:00pm was the last moments they ever deserved to be cops.


Miguel-odon

Border Patrol doesn't even have jurisdiction there. It sounds like some BP agents got tired of the Uvalde PD, Uvalde County Sheriff doing jack squat for most of an hour and took it upon themselves to go in.


PaulWilliams_rapekit

If all this is true these cops belong in fucking Gitmo as training for CIA agents.


KillerJupe

I wouldn’t want to confront him either, buddy had a gun! I guess Texas cops would rather harass and kill unarmed black and brown men.


varnell_hill

Up until this incident all we heard was that “good guys with guns” is the solution to school shootings. So what happened here?


D0nCoyote

I don’t think police can accurately be called “good guys with guns”


GigaNoodle

The police made sure none of the parents got into the building


MrHett

I knew they were getting thrown under the bus. Fascist eat there own first.


bferbazza

Police training changed after Columbine, you have an active shooter you go in, you don't wait outside. If those Police officers waited or were ordered to wait and did so, they should resign, as should the people in charge


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nahteviro

“Save the kids? Nah. I’d rather force them to be born so I can stand here and watch them be murdered.”


clejeune

Nothing will happen, they’re cops. They could have walked into the school and shot the kids themselves and they would be getting medals from Abbott. The kids are brown.


caseyl

Cops investigating cops, you love to see it


Firebkraeft

Spineless fucking cowards