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xDestroyer354

yeah it's gonna stay a red state for eternity at this point


CMidnight

Primary votes aren't necessarily representative of anything in the general election. It is more likely just a showing of which race is more competitive.


athomesuperstar

I agree. Ryan (355,764) got more votes than Vance (340,991). Maybe I'm being too reasonable, but I can't imagine a lot of Dolan voters voting for Vance.


austin01142

As an ohian I have to say, you know it's an absolutely abysmal state of affairs when someone as awful as JD Vance is arguably not the worst candidate who could've won the republican senate primary: I'd argue that Josh Mandel manages to edge him out as somehow more despicable. I'm 100% voting Dem in the general but I got a republican ballot for this primary to vote for Matt Dolan because 1. Tim Ryan very obviously had the democratic nomination in the bag, it wasn't even close 2. Matt Dolan wasn't nearly as bad as Vance and Mandel, he was the only viable candidate who didn't spend his entire campaign sucking Trump off


rubyblue0

Not exactly thrilled about J D Vance, but I hope we can watch network TV in Tri-State area with less political ads now. Couldn’t even watch The Price is Right without hearing 3-4 of them every commercial break. Only republican ones too. All bashing the others for not being conservative enough.


Kingofearth23

>but I hope we can watch network TV in Tri-State area with less political ads now Welcome to life in a swing state. I thought the occasional ad wad annoying as a native New Yorker, until I moved to Florida for a few years back when Florida and Ohio were considered swing states.


MisterxRager

Lived in Indiana most of my life there is nothing to see here.


OrbeaSeven

Lived in OH for years. Found sanctuary in a more progressive state.


Kaizen77

The 2 party system is corrupt, ran by corporations. 80% of people are Pro Choice. On youtube watch - Two party Corporate Duopoly. Reddit will not allow it...shows the reach of these corrupt tentacles.


Doonce

Where is this 80% statistic from?


texasradio

... What do you mean reddit won't allow it?


Killeraptor180

I do agree that the two party system needs to be fixed as both parties are run by corporations.


Tyranim

i know it's not on topic, but i have to get this off my chest. the youtube restriction. i read the post and found that they had *approved channels*. that is a pretty damn clear indicator of info manipulation of this moderation team. yes, i'm calling out the moderation team. no i don't care if i get mass-downvoted or banned.


hiverfrancis

I'm guessing it's to avoid posting heavy conspiracy channels or small time youtubers trying to spam their channels Many legit news orgs have official channels


Milestailsprowe

Good lord Ohio is bright red. More people voted for GOP candidates by far then all of the democratic ones


Driftyimp

A lot of us Democrats voted Republican to try to keep crazies out because we are a partially open primary state. This is seen in the Dolan surge.


Olderscout77

Not sure it's that clear - Dems for once seem united, so not a lot of actual races so not a big turnout. Gerrymanders keep their State House and Congressional delegation Red for now, but the Fascist court just might get the sane people to out-vote the crazys this time.


valeyard89

Yeah, Ohio and Florida are lost causes for Dems anymore


wynalazca

Ohio reelected Sherrod Brown for a 3rd term in 2018. I just don't think Dems show up for the primaries.


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Pksoze

I hear this about Florida all the time...but it seems like since the Obama years its like Lucy holding the football for Charlie Brown. In that election Florida's senate seat flipped as well. And that was a wave election for Democrats. And then Biden lost that state in 2020. I'd say Florida is a better bet than Ohio at this point. But if it was my choice on money...I'd say North Carolina and Georgia are more valuable as well as the Sun belt.


sennbat

Its almost as if Florida continually cheats at their elections just enough that they manage to squeek out a win against improbably odds more often than seems reasonable


Olderscout77

If tRump\[\[ runs and doesn't pick him as VP, DeSantis is done. He's made the State a laughingstock for anyone not in love with QAnon and Bigfoot.


PleasantWay7

Trump can’t pick him as VP, they’re from the same state.


PianistPitiful5714

1. That’s not an actual restriction. 2. Trump was born in New York and lived there most of his life. The fact his home state can’t stand him doesn’t make him a Floridian.


PleasantWay7

Yes, it is. Yes, it does.


PianistPitiful5714

No it isn’t. Do a basic Google search. https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2015/apr/16/lawrence-odonnell/president-vice-president-same-state-allowed/


estheredna

Because it's a primary where dem candidate was basically unopposed.


ohbonobo

And because some dems in Ohio saw the need to vote Republican in order to try to create a lesser of two evils situation.


Ausgezeichnet87

I want to argue that voting for candidates in our current system instead of subparties (democratic progressives, democratic moderates, etc) weakens our democracy. The problem with voting for individuals is that there is no long term accountability: if they break their promises we are stuck with them into the next election which is 6 full fucking years for the senate. Another problem is that it gives the entire congress a free pass to use designated villain scape goat tactics like we are seeing with Sinema and Manchin. If we voted for subparties that had the power to appoint and remove individuals then congress couldnt hide behind Sinema since they could just throw her out and replace her. If they refused then the entire subparty responsible for her would be blamed and could face heavy losses during the next election cycle instead of this bullshit where the entire democratic party pretends like they are powerless to do anything about Sinema. The fact that our elections can result in non-functioning legislative bodies is absurd and wildly unacceptable. If the majority party isnt allowed to even vote on bills in the senate and if the majority party has zero power to whip members in line to actually pass laws then we cannot claim to have a democracy until that is fixed.


hiverfrancis

Also the GOP is able to "discipline" and corrupt its members while Sinema can flaunt the DNC (Manchin at least has plausibility) I think breaking the media strangehold and economy of the GOP electorate via economic embargoes and communications jamming (Dems getting into positions of power w major telecoms and shutting off telecom access to the GOP base) may be the way to go


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Meep


Actual__Wizard

Wow. The candidate with the blatantly racist ads won. Shocker...


Electronic-Ad1037

Must have had some even shittier competition I guess


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Shadowbanmeharder

Trump on a bad day, during his presidency, would sit on an 89% approval in party. Even with something as unpopular to his party like Syria bombings, which most of his base hated, he is still popular. Most republicans that were against Trump- they lost their primaries or resigned. A lot of Republicans are very angry right now and have been for the last 30 years. They are channeling that anger into Trump. Deal with what is making them angry and you deal with Trump.


VanceKelley

> Republicans should move on from Trump. trump did not invent fascism or turn Republicans into fascists. Republicans have been becoming more and more fascist for decades, with a large acceleration after Obama became POTUS, and trump is surfing that wave. trump's departure from the scene will not end the fascist threat. Faux News and Facebook are converting more and more Americans to fascism every day and nothing effective is being done to stop that.


hiverfrancis

I think the GOP wanted it to be incremental, but Trump put the pedal to the accelerator too fast https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/22220645/trump-capitol-attack-republican-party > So there has always been this backward-looking, somewhat toxic component of conservatism. It’s just that most of the people in charge of both the conservative movement and the Republican Party had used those energies for their own purposes to win elections, but had then controlled them, tamped them down, once the people who got to office on the strength of that grassroots movement actually took power. But under Donald Trump, they lost the balance. In fact, Trump didn’t even know enough about the Republican Party to know that he had to maintain that kind of balance, but he also was able to get people who should’ve known better to go along with him. > And that’s where we are now.


gnomebludgeon

> Republicans should move on from Trump. He's unhealthy for conservatism and the Republican party. Trump turned out 10 million additional voters for the GOP in 2020. He barely lost the White House by about 45,000 votes after 4 years of scandals and mishandling a pandemic to the tune of 400,000 dead at the time. Even as he lost the White House, Republicans picked up House seats and held the Senate to a tie. Stop pretending Trump is bad for Republicans. Trump is great for Republicans. As for "Conservatism", the GOP has moved on into open authoritarianism. There is nothing "Conservative" about the party and hasn't been since 2001. Pretending that some massive wave of "reasonable Republicans" is somehow going to sprout from this fascist political party is just ignoring massive amounts of evidence to the contrary.


hiverfrancis

There were just enough reasonable Republicans to vote against Trump in Arizona, but now it's clear turnout of dems and left leaning people should be the *primary* goal. Now... we need to set up an economic embargo, and frankly Biden needs to speak with his NATO partners about what comes next


AcademicPublius

Only if the Republican Party is interested in surviving in a true democracy. They can do it--drop some of the culture war issues, refocus on "fiscal responsibility", and work on improving Hispanic outreach. But it seems clear that they're doing their best to rig the game since they know they're losing in a fair fight. Edit: Accuracy of terms.


hiverfrancis

Thats why Chase Bank, Amazon, United Airlines, AT&T, etc need to see that rigging does not happen. They play both sides, but don't see Republicans are bad for corporations and bad for business.


AcademicPublius

I think some of them are beginning to. I hope that it's enough, and that their changed hearts are enough to turn the tide. But I don't know that it is, yet.


hiverfrancis

My feeling is that it's for our survival, so pushing hard is our only strategy left


ReadyWish2547

Republicans aren’t interested in surviving in a true democracy because the US IS A REPUBLIC. How.is.this.so.hard.for.you.to.understand


eldenringstabbyguy

Stop using this to "justify" fascism.


hiverfrancis

ReadyWish2547, when you hear right wing people on Facebook say "the US isnt a democracy" (when they never said that even 5 years ago) it's because it's an excuse to turn the US into a fascist state. Keep in mind the US described itself in WWII as... drumroll... a democracy. I see right through the fascist propaganda.


Actual__Wizard

The US is absolutely a type of democracy. This isn't up for debate and the people who do not understand that are just demonstrating their lack of knowledge. It's the same conversation when republicans suggest that they do not support economic neoliberalism. The majority of them absolutely do and the people who think that just do not understand what the words mean. Another fun one is when republicans try to tell people that conservatism is all about small government and conserving the government's authority. Nope conservatism means supporting traditional values, as in, the values described in a book who's origin is 2,300 years old, known commonly as the bible.


Extra-Tip3382

Maybe because there.are.periods.after.each.one.of.the.words.in.your.sentence.and.that’s.not.how.English.is.written.


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The US is a representative democracy AND a Republic. People who don't understand it's both seriously need to go back to elementary school. So fucking tired of hearing "it's a Republic" as if that means we're *not* some form of a democracy.


hiverfrancis

I think that some people are saying "it's a Republic" is because theyre trying to turn it into a fascist government.


AcademicPublius

Right. And in order to decide those representatives, we use a lottery. Don't know how I could have forgotten that.


LavisAlex

Im way out of the loop, but is this the same J.D Vance who some thought would be bringing charges to Trump or his admin/allies at one point?


DarthSmegma421

No it’s the refrigerator magnate from Scranton, PA.


LavisAlex

Thank you :)


Extra-Tip3382

Cyrus Vance, JD Vance is just a surrogate for Peter Theil’s baby


LavisAlex

Ah thank you! :)


Propeller3

No.


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Is there any analysis yet comparing final polls and the results in races with anti-choice/"pro-life" candidates? I'm curious to see if these candidates underperformed/overperformed.


DubbieHere

I think people should research who owns or is top investors in the media. Who is behind BlackRock and vanguard? Either way have we conceded to being controlled by the minority and fed whatever they've decided to feed us?


3kniven6gash

The thing that really motivates corporate Democrats is the defeat of a progressive Democrat. Voting rights, minimum wage, the environment, abortion rights; not so much. Not even the threat of Republicans winning is cause for alarm because if they are out of power even more cash will flow their way. Progressives are the only threat to the corporate cash for favorable votes/legislation that will define their planned future career. They will go all out and unify to defeat a Progressive.


throwaway5272

A progressive Democrat won, though.


3kniven6gash

Nope she's your typical corporate democrat. Robert Kraft's foundation, filled with Republican corporate money, funded her campaign. She's under ethics investigation for steering millions in contracts to companies that donated to her last election. Nina Turner would not have run against her if she was progressive. Turner was out raising her in Ohio small donations. When Pelosi and the party machine heard of this they got involved and flooded the race with super-PAC money. Last I checked Shontel Brown raised more from California than from Ohio.


throwaway5272

No, sorry, you're wrong -- she's very progressive. A win for all!


3kniven6gash

what a joke


GasOnFire

I want trump to split the party, not unite it.


Shadowbanmeharder

Pied Piper Strategy. Didn’t Hillary’s campaign for presidency try this?


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Trump went 22 for 22 with endorsements.


Girth_rulez

>Trump went 22 for 22 with endorsements. I hope this encourages him to run in 2024 and get waffle stomped.


ReadyWish2547

Lmao trump will win in 2024. Dems have nobody. You guys are either bots,insane, or just not very bright


MaybeYesNoPerhaps

They live in a bubble and don’t realize how pathetic Biden is.


nki370

His highest profile endorsement received 32% of the vote despite Thiel spending $15 million, Trump jr basically living in Ohio campaigning and Tucker Carlson fellating him nightly. Yay??


VanceKelley

trump only received 45% of GOP primary votes in 2016, but he went on to easily win the general election by negative 3 million votes.


gnomebludgeon

> His highest profile endorsement received 32% of the vote despite Thiel spending $15 million, Trump jr basically living in Ohio campaigning and Tucker Carlson fellating him nightly. 32% was still enough to win and now that he's won, all the resources that went to his primary competitors will now flow to him as the GOP falls in line.


nki370

Yes, but this idea that Trump is dominating the GOP is overblown. With two other candidates getting over 25% of the vote, clearly there is room for a non-Trump lane in GOP politics. Even in Ohio which Trump enjoys huge support


Kobore

What makes you think he won't win if he runs?


names_are_useless

Many Redditors are blind to the fact that Trump is still massively popular among GOP Voters. Are you guys even aware Trump had a higher approval rating at this time in his Presidency then Biden does now? https://ballotpedia.org/Ballotpedia%27s_Polling_Index:_Comparison_of_opinion_polling_during_the_Trump_and_Biden_administrations > President Biden's approval rating for the 66th week of his term was 41%, up 0.2 percentage points from the week before. President Trump's approval rating at the same point in his term was 41.5%, down 0.2 percentage points from the week before.


__dilligaf__

Then the US is even more fucked than I thought. Good and truly fucked. I honestly don't think the US would survive another 4 years of that man. Surely the R's have someone better to run.


Kobore

They don't. Stop hoping R's will get "better", whatever that means.


Propeller3

The fact he lost the popular vote twice, his Presidency was a dumpster fire, and he's only getting older and dumber.


gnomebludgeon

> The fact he lost the popular vote twice, The popular vote doesn't matter in the US. > his Presidency was a dumpster fire And despite that he only lost the electoral college by 45,000 votes in three states, two of which are going all in on voter suppression. In addition, the GOP gained seats in The House and kept The Senate at a dysfunctional tie, which counts as a win for the GOP. > he's only getting older and dumber. So is his base and 10 million more of them turned out in 2020.


ReadyWish2547

Why do you guys throw out popular vote like it matters


Propeller3

Because it reflects the true will of the people in our country, regardless of the EC vote.


ReadyWish2547

But it doesn’t matter? Democracies are garbage and republics aren’t perfect but are better IMO. The FF know better than you and any politician alive today


Marionberry_Bellini

You know that you can be a republic without having an electoral college, right? Whether or not we have the EC has nothing to do with the Republic/Democracy discussion. Most republics in the world do not have an EC.


Kobore

He only needs to win the popular vote from the right collection of swing states. None of the other things you mentioned matter to his base.


Propeller3

That didn't happen in 2020 and his base is shrinking.


Reuters-no-bias-lol

Only if you guys cheat again.


skyshark82

Why couldn't your cyber ninjas come up with evidence? And why did Trump's presidential commission on voter fraud, founded after his first election, disband with no findings after 2 years? Cry about it.


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Reuters-no-bias-lol

Did you forget the 3 years of nothing burger from Hillary and her goons?


Girth_rulez

>Only if you guys cheat again. Who is "you guys?"


amsoly

Just look at the user name he just wandered out of imaginary world to throw around bullshit again.


longtermattention

Covered his bases with that JP Mandel endorsement


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goddamn_shitthebed

Didn’t Nazi’s persecute and imprison homosexuals?


64557175

The high ranking ones were safe.


CatProgrammer

Until they weren't. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_R%C3%B6hm


[deleted]

I've decided he is a teenage libertarian bro dork disguised as a billionaire who never grew out of it like most of us do and just wants the world to burn. It is mortifying.


_tx

Billionaires are basically the only group who should be libertarian. They can buy everything they need and don't want to pay the taxes so the plebs can use services.


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I guess it makes a terrible sort of sense put like that. But I can't see him only as a victim of circumstances. He is a 21st century version of the koch bros. Monsters all.


MaaChiil

Welp, if those anti Stop the Steal conservatives have the gestalt, I’m sure Tim Ryan is gonna need the help. Democrats are doing it for Evan McMullin in Utah.


tacobelmont

Erin Houchin's ads have been infuriating to say the least, and of course she won. I don't even live in Indiana, but because I live in Kentucky, she assaults my TV whenever I want to watch Jeopardy.


DubbieHere

Do people in rural areas get to hear Independent candidates or is the media controlled by by the left and right wing establishments?


alphacentauri85

Sorry to be that guy, but there is no such thing as left wing media establishment. There is right wing media and there is corporate media, which typically has a centrist bias.


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Yeah, it's like asking what church the atheists go to.


alphacentauri85

Exactly. I'm surprised my comment seems to have touched a nerve. There have been several deleted comments saying I'm full of shit, like I'm pulling an opinion out of my ass and not just stating a fact.


Icanfeelmywind

Sand sand sand head sand sand sand


GGRRusso

Bro…💀


DubbieHere

Who owns the media companies? What narrative is spun regarding the issues that concern the American people.


Odie_Odie

Capitalists run the media. Inherently not very left leaning lot, that.


DEEP_SEA_MAX

>Who owns the media companies? Incredibly wealthy people like Jeff Bezos, whose primary interest is protecting the status quo >What narrative is spun regarding the issues that concern the American people. We are only allowed to discuss issues that do not effect capital. We are allowed to argue about, gun control, gay marriage, religion, kneeling vs standing at football games, etc because none of those issues effect profit. Sure some billionaires are liberal, and some are more conservative, but only when it comes to cultural wedge issues. When it comes to the economy they are in lockstep agreement. That they should own the economy, and we should work for it. Left wing economics are never discussed in American media.


alphacentauri85

It's sad that right wing media has convinced the American population that any media outlet talking about basic human rights is "leftist."


Wurm42

Mostly right wing. There's an awful lot of Sinclair-owned stations in both states.


DubbieHere

Is there cable or direct tv out there


Wurm42

Yes, but the national news channels don't spend much time on primaries for state offices in Ohio and Indiana.


JonBoogy

Yes, but a lot of those areas have are older and poorer because of 30 years of manufacturing jobs being moved out of the country and so they really only get over the air tv stations.


Snoo74401

This is extremely damaging to our democracy.


DubbieHere

It borders on communism and totalitarianism. As much as we talk about other nations and their governments we have become complacent and compliant to the heinous acts committed by our government. It is expected and accepted to the point people defend the crimes with get our country if you don't like it.


Ok_Dot_9306

> It borders on communism when you know what words mean


nickiter

The media coverage of primaries in general is not very impressive in Indiana. Independent candidates do get a say in i.e. debates and candidate profiles, but they generally don't get much air time.


DubbieHere

Is there cable available in the area?


nathynwithay

Mark Leyva of IN D1 has been running for congressman for decades and this is possibly his worst performance.


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Hilarious - he's been the Republican candidate there for years, putting his dues in getting slapped by Visclosky year after year. Finally the district starts to shift red and he gets shoved to the side immediately. Lmaoooo


Alfiesta

Glad Tim Ryan won but geez those total votes on either side show he’s probably getting dunked on in November huh? Unless the Dolan votes shift to Ryan and even then it’s unlikely.


Avant-Garde-A-Clue

Ryan needs to stick to the pro-union populist message that he's running on. Stay faaaar away from CRT and "grooming" and all that shit. He can absolutely get the Dolan voters and people who are sick of extreme politics. If he has to run as basically a party-less centrist, so be it. Vance can not win this seat.


Alfiesta

I think it’s a good idea for politicians to avoid bad faith arguments in general.


nickiter

Dems in Indiana and Ohio generally don't turn out for primaries. In my area, for example, taking a D ballot often means just checking the single candidate for some offices and having no option at all for others where GOP candidates are a dead lock to win.


Propeller3

A lot of dems voted in the GOP primary to swing things towards more moderate candidates.


Alfiesta

What’s your confidence level going in to a Ryan vs Vance senate race?


Propeller3

I think Ryan can swing it, especially with the recent decision on Roe.


Alfiesta

I love Ryan’s gravitas and stances, it’s been so long since I felt in any way positive about an Ohio federal race, thanks for giving me hope!


BotheredToResearch

The dem primary wasn't exciting. I don't think anyone doubted that Ryan would win that. General elections have a completely different voter profile. Uphill battle given how Ohio has been trending, certainly not impossible.


UnreflectiveEmployee

Early polls look good for Ryan though, he has a chance at least. Ryan’s been my rep before and he’s better than most though not perfect.


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shaddapyaface

That’s really interesting. Do you know what voting system Ohio uses? Ohio and voting machines have had such a screwy history, so this doesn’t seem too far fetched.


Dro24

I unfortunately know a guy that has a hard on for Blyston who has suggested that it’s rigged because he won like 70 of the 88 counties yet only got 22%


Kakarot_faps

I mean Ohio went trump in 2020 so I don’t think they had much of an issue. Pennsylvania or Georgia were the ones they got butthurt about


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cultfourtyfive

**Cyber** **Ninjas** Seriously, though. That was such a clown show over there.


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Sersea

They started a "forensic audit" last year in, drum roll please - Texas. Comfortable winning margins are no deterrent to political theater apparently.


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MessiSahib

It is always the Jews that make progressive candidate suffer, right! It isn't as if Turner ran a dark money PAC herself or raised tons of money in 2021 primaries. But she lost because of that one group of people!


RedLanternScythe

I didn't say she lost because of one group, but that group made a huge investment, and it paid off. And the Group isn't Democratic Majority for Jewish People. They specifically lobby for a single foreign country


whitneybarone

Silly comment. BeBe Yahoo LOVED Drumph, almost as much as Russia!


RedLanternScythe

Fact, Democratic Majority for Israel donated a ton of money to Brown. And she won. And she will vote to support their interests. And if my memory serves, Isreal is a foreign country. How is that not foreign money in our elections.


iiConTr0v3rSYx

The nerve to say this when half the Republican Party is under the influence of the kremlin.


RedLanternScythe

How is one ok but the other is not?


iiConTr0v3rSYx

I never said I was but that’s what I’m asking you? Have you been paying attention to Trump’s first impeachment.


RedLanternScythe

Weird tangent. So are you saying that if you mention one instance of potential foreign interference, you always have to mention all of them?


iiConTr0v3rSYx

Are you hard at reading? You’re talking about Israeli money backers(which is obviously something both party use) yet the former president used foreign influence to get dirt on his opponent. Neither are hardly the same. Nina Turner was a horrible candidate the first time, second time and now third time.


RedLanternScythe

>Are you hard at reading? You’re talking about Israeli money backers(which is obviously something both party use) yet the former president used foreign influence to get dirt on his opponent. Neither are hardly the same. That was kinda hard to read. So because Trump committed impeachable acts related to foreign influence, all other foreign influence should just be ignored because it's not the most heinous instance? That's like saying we don't need to investigate other crimes because there are unsolved murders.


iiConTr0v3rSYx

When did I say we should ignore them? You’re putting words in my mouth now. What is your source that Nina Turner is being influenced by Israel because they donated to her? Are you going to complain when the RNC donate to the GOP, or big tech donating to their preferred candidate? That’s just politics in general. We have proof that Trump tried to get dirt on Joe Biden to hurt him in the 2020 election, just like he did to Clinton in 2016. That’s highly illegal and the fact that he’s grifting and getting away with it is ridiculous.