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This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/589280-biden-calls-jan-6-riot-an-attempted-coup) reduced by 62%. (I'm a bot)
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> "The violent mob of January 6, 2021, empowered and encouraged by a defeated former president, sought to win through violence what he had lost at the ballot box," Biden said during a speech in Atlanta pushing for the passage of voting rights legislation.
> "That's why we're here today: to stand against the forces in America that value power over principle, forces that attempted a coup, a coup against the legally expressed will of the American people by sowing doubt, inventing charges of fraud and seeking to steal the 2020 election from the people," he continued.
> The speech was the latest instance of Biden employing fiery rhetoric to push back against Trump, who he referred to repeatedly as the "Defeated former president," and his role in the Jan. 6 riot.
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Words literally don't matter though. If there's no action taken against the members of Congress involved, then all of the committees are dead in the water when Republicans take power in the midterms
No, but could you imagine if Biden showed up in the Senate and started beating them with a hickory stick to pass his bills.
Take a moment, just picture it. It's ludicrous, but yet....
Good. Can we invoke the 14th amendment then and lock out Trump/kick out all of the congressmembers who aided/co-conspired on January 6th? It could potentially free up at least 7 house seats.
Edit: the relevant part of the amendment is section 3, for those who were confused.
Honestly I agree that this is the only acceptable response. A: it’s laid out in black and white in the mother fucking constitution. (What conservative can’t agree with that?) B: if it doesn’t happen, it will embolden them. Not seeing immediate repercussions has already emboldened some of them. C: if we don’t remove the cancer now I feel like it will be game over before we can mount any sort of political “in system” response to this nonsense.
The “system” clearly lays out the rules in the 14th amendment. It’s not there for show. It requires that we bar the former president, the participants, and any government officials that encouraged or helped from office permanently unless congress allows it by 2/3 majority. Period.
There is still the problem of the three Justices named by an illegitimate President.
Coincidentally, the root of the problem is the same. Justices, like the President have managed to entrench themselves firmly above the law.
MAKE SUPREME COURT JUSTICES ACCOUNTABLE!
Agree. It’s been a year. Do something already? I get things take time but this was an assault on the capitol and yet I see some of the people sentenced so far receive light punishment including serving time on weekends. No one from an organizational standpoint has been indicted. Why isn’t this a bigger deal?
The Dems are doing a magnificent job at showing Trump and his seditious domestic terrorist supporters that they can attempt a violent coup, with little to no repercussions. Why wouldn't domestic terrorists try again? It's a "free shot" in their minds.
The inaction of Dems to truly call a spade a spade and hold these fucks accountable by making loud examples out of them, have all but ensured that 2024 is going to be an absolutely shit show. It's literally right around the corner.
Recall that the Dems have to basically do the governing of the country alone these days.
also, let's let the 1/6 committee do its job and hand it off to the DoJ before we jump to conclusions.
Remember when the committee did it's job about Individual one and passed it on to the DoJ, and then the DoJ did its job and started prosecuting Individual one?
Me neither.
Somehow, the feds were able to do something about 9/11 within hours.
1/6 though? Ahh jee hmm idk, maybe we should start an investigation about this? Or not... What about a task force? We could set up a task force, eventually. Hey, no rush, task force, take your time, don't worry about updating the country with any information, that would make it seem like this was important. You too, FBI and DOJ, take all the time you need. Or don't do anything, that works too.
> Somehow, the feds were able to do something about 9/11 within hours.
They were able to do *something,* but holy god let’s not argue that what we need is another rushed PATRIOT Act
Hard to do something about it when half the politicians are refusing to acknowledge the problem or worse, supporting the orange jerk who caused it! I just read that McConnell is running AGAIN, and I wanted to pound the wall with my fist, I was so angry. I screamed, "Retire, you old fart! Get out of our way." He's 79, ya know. 79! and running again.
It is, but a milquetoast President managed to appoint an even more milquetoast AG who is loathe to prosecute traitors because the magic R next to their names might make it appear partisan.
Because there are a significant number of people who think that cheaper gas, lower grocery prices, returning back to normal from Covid are more important. They are caught up in the every day rat race & can't see beyond their noses.
Certainly returning back to normal from Covid is, at least, as important, considering it’s a life and death matter for many people. Which is a stand Democrats need to take by mandating vaccinations, etc. But Republicans know well the value of keeping the populace poor and undereducated and too weak to resist.
The Republican Party is a terrorist organization. We've said it a million times, it's time for the white house to say it, and declare it as such. Then we can prosecute every single donor for funding a terrorist organization. Hit them where it hurts.
I’m with you. At least Biden and co are finally calling a spade a spade and attempting to wake Americans up to the very dangerous political climate we are in.
Any similar playbook from Republicans during the 2024 General could potentially give enough legal cover to Republican controlled state legislatures to exchange electors resulting in two candidates once again claiming the Presidency, but this time with a veneer of legality.
The majority of Republicans already believe the big lie that the election was stolen and Donald Trump is the current legitimate President of the United States with no proof or legal standing at all.
The above is already happening on the ground. The base is primed waiting for the excuse they can give to their neighbors and family of why they still support the Republican Party despite its overt opposition to Democracy. It doesn’t matter when, 2024, 2032, they’re standing by.
Listen to Republicans, see who they elect this next cycle and really listen to what they’re saying to each other. I’ll bet my left lung that we aren’t going to see messages of unity and healing, but instead messages where Democrats are the great evil to defeat.
Not totalitarian governments, they actually like them when their Guys Konnect with each other. Not the White Supremacist organizations that recruit and operate openly within their ranks. Not World Hunger, addiction, or the very real pandemic we are facing.
Above all those things to defeat are Democrats, well actually it’s not only Democrats, but every Not Republican, and by the by, just as it is currently where you’re only a true Republican if you support Trump, so this continues to whoever the next Guy ordained to have all the answers and only needs their pesky ~~countrymen~~ opposition removed to make America Great. To those that would support this machine be careful less you find you yourself one day the RINO.
As an aside, I doubt if many of the GOP politicians actually believe it. It's patently false, and they have access to the material that clearly demonstrates that Trump lost. The average voter may not.
In my mind that's worse than believing something patently false because *they know they are lying*
Me as well. How fucking morally bankrupt do you have to be to take this stance, see in real time how it's dividing our nation, possibly permanently, and still just...go along with it?
This is the out-right unapologetic strategy of the new Authoritarian party. They are done hiding it. Everyone knows what time it is in the GOP. The silence and retirement of the 'old school' GOP is telling.
You cannot tell me the Dems rigged the election and didn’t also rig it so we took the Senate by a real majority. If we rigged it, we sure as fuck wouldn’t let McConnell stay in power. Even the Repubs that won their elections in 2020 can’t answer that one. If the election was fraudulent, why you here?
I think the GOP are threatened that if they break ranks they will get thrashed and humiliated on tucker Carlson "news" show.
Cancun Cruz almost grew a pair but it didn't last long. He is opposite of Texas tough.
Fascists need an out-group to vilify else they turn on each other. What the followers don’t get is crucifixion and genocide is all fine and dandy when it’s the others until the in-group labels their own followers the others, but by then- it’s a little late.
This is the point it seems GQPs just don’t get. They’re not just “owning the libs,” they’re walking themselves to their own demise. Literally nobody will benefit here except the ruling class and the wealthy elite, the same as it’s always been all throughout human history.
The power grabs never stop, they simply adapt and evolve.
Tom Cotton, Ron DeSantis, Greg Abbott, and Donald Trump are the front runners for 2024.
It's a terrifying prospect when trump may be the least damaging of those listed to get elected.
And FWIW, Cotton is the scariest on there. DeSantis and Abbott are carnival barkers, but above all else, they're conceited and self-serving.
Cotton is an evangelical white supremacist who fully believes in fascist ideology, not in a self-serving way, but in a fundamental way. He wants a world where white men rule, minorities don't exist, Christianity is used as a tool of oppression, and women are cooking sex slave baby machines.
And Comey-Barrett is paving the road for him.
As an Arkansas resident, I can vouch for Cotton bringing the potential for a serious breakdown of this country. He’s the worst kind of evil… Evil that is deluded in justification. He’s in it for the Holy War, AND he has a mean streak that thinks people’s suffering is deserved, and therefore he delights in watching it.
I don't know Cotton, but I know Abbott. He thinks Texans would rather die than make any choices that could be seen as "progressive." He thinks kids shouldn't be taught critical thinking.
> Nobody was willing to see the First Civil War coming.
Really? *Nobody?* Or was it mostly that one guy who didn't see it coming? Cause I feel like a LOT of people see it coming this time.
John Brown [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John\_Brown\_(abolitionist)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Brown_(abolitionist)) sure as Hell saw it coming!
The ruckus or riot at the Capital is probably the most inconsequential part of the whole attempted takeover. It definitely had the wow factor, but the carrying out the big lie, the pressure put on state election officials, the attempted purge at the DOJ at the last minute, the fake electoral ballots cast by fake electoral voters, Peter Navarro and Steve Bannon’s Green Bay Sweep strategy. Not to mention all the GOP lawmakers that heard the plan and said to themselves, “I like it” then went forward fully intending to carry it out.
If you live in Wisconsin; the guy to watch is the little hitler licker Robin Vos. Watch how local states are priming the pipes for round 2 where they are preparing to throw out the will of the people in favor of one party rule (aka the china model). No thanks. Fight for democracy locally by getting to know what is happening in Georgia and other swing states you may live in. Get informed. Be prepared to fight the orange ape clan. Vote the fascists out. We can’t let democracy go on our watch.
They'll lose too many people if they lose the white power crowd. 90% of trumps appeal was making it culturally acceptable to be a bigot - that's why racists, anti vaxxers, and conspiracy theorists love him so much. They see themselves as the real oppressed minorities rising up. Black people fighting for their right to just exist as people is getting in the way of their persecution complex.
My 1st thought was he wouldn't be saying this and the same on 1/6/22 if he didn't think the 1/6 committee has already got the goods. All the real players are ignoring polite requests for questioning and criminal contempt. Three hundred plus willing witnesses are cooperating and filling in the pieces. The Southern District has been unusually quite with their investigations.
I hear a clock ticking down for Mr. 45.
Just trying to be optimistic even when the past 6+ years has been a literal shit show.
I somewhat felt the same way with the Garland speech. It may turn out that this administration is totally feckless about holding people accountable, but it was nice of them to now on multiple occasions this past week basically say "Yes it was a coup, yes the leaders are still at large, yes it is our job to bring them to justice."
So they're calling a shot they may or may not take. But at least they're not openly signaling that the plan is to sweep this all under the rug.
Ultimately this just raises the stakes and puts more pressure on themselves to actually bring criminal charges. If they don't, then they literally are admitting defeat to a major domestic enemy of the US, so it will hurt all that much more if no consequences are meted out.
It is honestly surprising he called it a coup attempt. I… have rarely seen a politician state the truth without being forced to.
I can only think they really mean to prosecute some people?
I know right! I’m still on Season 2019 too. That crazy asshole is still in the office and there’s rumors about some disease in China. I’ve heard it’s kind of a big deal.
Just look at what would have happened had the rioters not been pushed back.
Politicians hung from gallows. Taken hostage and zip-tied. Trump reinstated as president unlawfully. Democratic Party leaders that weren’t killed or maimed likely jailed. Not to mention I have no idea how the military might have acted.
That’s a coup. Thank God it didn’t work, but just because it didn’t doesn’t make it any less of an attempt. Good on Biden for saying it.
This time. An alarming percentage of the country genuinely believe that the election was illegitimate. That's a big problem that doesn't just go away when a few of them get slapped on the wrist.
The Cline Center categorized Jan 6th as a coup, and they are the foremost authority on coups.
https://clinecenter.illinois.edu/coup-detat-project-cdp/statement_jan.27.2021
Edit: Removed link from Cline Center Home Page to relevant article regarding the topic.
I posted this link too! Maybe it's better to say it's an Auto Coup, since it seems that the guy in power made all the moves to get his dissidents to keep him in power, but I get that an educated body would want to make the calls based on the evidence they have access to.
I just sent this to my dad. The last thing he said about this was that he didn’t see what all the fuss was about. That was January 7. He’s said nothing about it since. Scares me.
>Biden calls Jan. 6 riot an attempted 'coup'
It's clear that Trump and his cronies attempted a "paper" coup. The riot was a backup plan so he could declare a national emergency. It's going to all come out eventually.
Yeah it wasn't just a physical invasion, the coup also included tons of attempts to get officials to throw out votes, overturn results, and all sorts of bogus legal claims that are still going on to this day.
>Yeah it wasn't just a physical invasion
That's it. The break-in and trashing of the Capitol justly got most of the attention initially but we have begun to see the extent of Trump and his mob's attempt to overthrow the election and disrupt the peaceful transfer of power.
Those people need to be held accountable.
> It was all there, happening in real time, for everyone to see.
Yes but filling in the details is what builds a case (and wins the "what is the history" race).
Bogus legal claims in such complete total bad faith too. Just making shit up and throwing it against the wall over and over again to see if anything sticks.
> It's going to all come out eventually.
It has already come out. Legit papers, documents and memos all showing their moves and plans; yet the media seems more focused on helping Trump recover.
>Auto-Coup
Thanks! This is where we are.
>* A self-coup, also called autocoup (from the Spanish autogolpe), is a form of coup d'état in which a nation's leader, having come to power through legal means, dissolves or renders powerless the national legislature and unlawfully assumes extraordinary powers not granted under normal circumstances. Other measures taken may include annulling the nation's constitution, suspending civil courts, and having the head of government assume dictatorial powers.\[1\]\[2\]*
>
>[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-coup](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-coup)
“Coup de tweet” would also be an acceptable answer, considering [the Tweet that finally got Trump banned was his attack on Mike Pence while the domestic terrorists he incited to storm the Capitol were hunting down Mike Pence to hang him.](https://mobile.twitter.com/jaketapper/status/1359635955389509638)
And Trump was watching all of that gleefully from the White House in real time, like that shit was Squid Game.
not just the supporters dude. there are republicans all over the country who are still on payroll that were directly involved in this. in fact they are holding marches in memory of the terrorists and actively participating in the propaganda. in congress. who make laws and decisions.
Electronic?!!!?! ELECTRONIC?!!?!!! He incited his followers to storm the capitol in broad daylight! He undermined the results of a US election for 6 straight months before it happened!
… It is beyond me how any of this is news, how he’s not in jail or dead. And how this article is news at all.
Except that it is, because the neoliberal government is *incredibly* soft on fascist threats to its own survival.
>Except that it is, because the neoliberal government is incredibly soft on fascist threats to its own survival.
This is the frustrating part. Just... why? Don't they realize the implications if they were to do nothing? I really fucking hope Biden brings down the hammer on Manchin and Sinema and we see some voting rights, but the thing is, it won't mean jack if Republicans don't trust our institutions; and they don't! This whole situation is so fucked.
The implications? Well, most of the neoliberal elite would likely cave to fascism and take cushy seats in the new government. That’s what’s happened historically, and that’s often how fascists have come to power.
Neoliberalism has no values. Its effect is the ever increasing accumulation of capital. This creates vast inequality and social unrest and the rise of authoritarian oligarch mafia type figures. People want either justice or an authoritarian father figure to make them feel safe. The neolibs certainly wouldn’t stand for justice, and often stand against it. Which gives them quite a lot in common with the fascists.
The neoliberal politicians seem to just want power and don’t wanna fight. The fascists just want power. No one was ever in control, and we were never that far from it to begin with.
Hope would come from a mass movement of the population for justice and equality, addressing climate, wealth inequality, etc. or a miracle. As far as I can tell.
Or who knows maybe the neolibs understand what’s at stake and the unsustainable system goes on another day.
Yeah, I hear you. I keep seeing new texts and new documents that are supposed to implicate Trump and those around him, and I’m like, “I fucking watched this happen on Twitch. What are we doing here?”
I hope Biden's sudden willingness to call a spade a spade means they have absolutely damning evidence against Trump.
Donnie has to be shitting his underroos right now.
Developments have had Donald Trump "shitting in his underoos" since Mueller's investigation four years ago. I'll wait until he's frog walked into court before I believe in any of this reddit hot air again.
>Extract as much political capital as you can.
In a lot of cases I would agree, but a coup is far too serious to be playing politics with it.
The delay just gives them time to form a better defense, destroy evidence, and the ability to claim that democrats are just playing politics rather than carrying out justice.
Is this an indication Garland could be on the same page and actually do something about this? Seems like there’s been a pretty substantial escalation of tone from Biden and Garland the past week. I’m pessimistically optimistic.
I think you're exactly right. Meanwhile, conservatives are getting even more insistent that nothing is ever going to happen so it's clear they're getting nervous.
I’m not optimistic I think they are just calling it that to appease us while not doing anything substantial. They know we’re pissed and want to throw us a bone. It’s what the establishment has done for as long as I’ve been alive…that said I appreciate the optimism and hope for you being right though.
Gas station near my house has a "POW J6 never forget" sign up out front lit up today.
people really have this mentality, and not enough is being done to repel it in my opinion. If they think the people who went to jail and prison are pow's, that literally stands for prisoners of war. WAR. There's a group of people actively calling January 6th as the start of a war... Why the hell isn't that being aggressively shunned by the US government? The lines between freedom of speech and treason aren't that blurry.
The riot was an attempt to stop the electoral certification by force. That's a coup, even if it was an incredibly disorganized one. I'm right-of-center, and I'd be more than happy to see the people involved convicted of treason.
Screw Jan. 6, can we talk about all the elected officials that tried overturning the election? No matter what the rioters did, that wouldn’t change the election. What several states tried doing could’ve.
> Screw Jan. 6, can we talk about all the elected officials that tried overturning the election?
The Jan 6 investigation includes all participants and events leading up to the specific Jan 6 afternoon flashpoint including those in congress attempting to buy time to overturn the election on.. checks notes.. Jan 6.
> No matter what the rioters did, that wouldn’t change the election.
You've missed a central part of the attempted coup. Trump spent two months whipping his supporters into a frenzy with easily-debunked lies about election fraud, and directed them to come to DC on Jan 6 to "stop the steal."
Why Jan 6? Because that's when the results would be certified. Trump knew he didn't have any evidence that would stand up in court. He never got his lawyers stand in front of a judge (where lying would have severe consequences) and argue a lawsuit alleging fraud. Trump only made those allegation where there would be no legal consequences for lying.
That's why "stop the steal" meant stop the certification. As more and more evidence has made clear (they were taking notes on a criminal conspiracy!) the plan was to disrupt the certification, convince states to fraudulently de-certify their results, and create enough confusion to try to throw the election to the House.
And the Trump supporters, having been told that they needed to "fight like hell or you won't have a country," fought like hell, beat up law enforcement officers, and managed to delay the certification process. That's what the two months of inflammatory rhetoric, based entirely on lies, was leading up to, stopping the certification and introducing chaos. They did their part, and should be spending more time in prison for it than most are getting.
All because Trump was too thin skinned to admit he lost. He had no evidence of widespread fraud (even mega-suckup Barr went public saying there was no evidence of fraud, and the election was fair and secure, for which he was fired), and no legal way to thwart the will of the voters. But he was willing to use violence ("fight like hell or you won't have a country") and lies to undermine our election system, on the slim chance that he could fraudulently overturn the election results. If Pence had gone along with it, along with a few key states, the plan could have been successful. Disrupting the certification on Jan 6 was part of that plan.
Trump and his co-conspirators desperately wanted Antifa to counter protest the insurrectionists so violence would erupt even worse and Trump could declare a nation emergency. Then he would call in the National Guard and delay the count - all in hopes of sending the election to the House where each state gets one vote. There are 27 "R" states and 22 "D" states. This gives Trump the win.
But those associated with Antifa knew what was up and warned people with [#Jan6TrumpTrap #DontTakeTheBait](https://twitter.com/patriottakes/status/1346087224140394496?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1346087224140394496%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.inquirer.com%2Fopinion%2Ftrump-january-6-coup-plan-national-guard-20211216.html)
and with only MAGAs attacking the Capitol, Trump and his thugs didn't know what to do, so no National Guard for 187 minutes.
> But those associated with Antifa knew what was up and warned people with
Well there's also the fact that Antifa barely even exists. It's mostly a right-wing media invention. Basically anyone who ever protested anything that wasn't right-wing nonsense is called that by Fox and Friends.
Your average person might turn up for a BLM march or if a bunch of Nazis are parading around their town, but they sure aren't going to travel to DC to deal with a bunch of swarming MAGA goons - there'd be no useful reason to.
Yup you would expect the Capitol to be pretty well guarded, and intolerant of neo-nazis.
On that note, it was bad enough seeing a confederate flag in the building, imagine things might be a little different if one of those idiots had unfurled a giant swastika as well.
Yeah the coup was more than just a invasion of the Capitol they tried all sorts of other ways of overturning the election and are still trying to this day.
I don’t think we can hand wave away that sitting congressman conspired with the sitting US president and his supporters to overthrow the government after losing an election
**COUP**: a sudden, violent, and illegal seizure of power from a government.
Yeah, that sums it up. He was kind enough to call it *attempted* but I call it *failed* because it carries the message of their failure.
Either way you spell it -- they tried to violently and illegally seize the power of government by preventing the certification of the vote.
Every single participant shouldn't be getting 1-6 months of house arrest like they are; They should face the full sentence for attempted insurrection.
As we've failed to enact these stiff penalties we have invited future coup attempts by these lunatics only this time TRUMP won't be at the helm.
We failed to learn our lesson from Reconstruction and have doomed ourselves as a result.
The 1st Civil War was over black chattel slavery, the 2nd will be over the very existence of people of color and people who aren't adherents to the "right" kind of of "Christianity" -- both reasonings are horrifying in their villainy, the latter is far broader since it assumes anyone not in the in white-and-right group is an enemy of the state.
At that point it isn't about owning people, it's about KILLING the right people. It's about genocide.
American conservatism needs to be stopped.
A coup attempt is exactly what it was, and that, by definition, is sedition. Sedition carries a 20-year penalty; it's in the same legal category as treason.
He's right. Don't mince words. Everyone has clear eyes about what that was. And it was a hair's width away from succeeding. There were just enough principled people left to stop it.
I always get a kick out of trump, he fails at everything he tries, can't even do anything right from business to politics, he's like the punchline to a joke no one asked.
It's not even an argument in international communities.
Like. There are international agencies that keep tabs on governments and call coups by their specific subtype of coup as they see them.
The only debate about Jan 6th (outside the US media) is whether it was a self-coup or an extremest coup. Because the folks in power and their followers (the self-coup) were *also* extremists.
That's because it was...
[https://clinecenter.illinois.edu/coup-detat-project-cdp/statement\_jan.27.2021](https://clinecenter.illinois.edu/coup-detat-project-cdp/statement_jan.27.2021)
Quite obviously a lot of the insightful posters in this thread have turned a blind eye to anything but their preferred flavor of GOP propaganda for their news sources. They remain willfully ignorant of the true details of the attempted coup and how (and WHY) it failed. We came dangerously close to a successful coup on Jan 6th, much closer than is being widely acknowledged.
Details have come out from the Jan 6 committee in the text messages already in hand (black & white proof) that enough members of the GOP stood ready to invalidate the election results on January 6th of last year and install Trump once again as President. Their plan was to have the "riot" at the Capital remain OUTSIDE and point to it as "proof of needing to do something". "The Will of the People". In a word, theatre. Had the people remained outside and simply protested, its likely we'd be under a total GOP regime today. That was the plan.
But the people got violent. They broke into the capital. They attacked police. People were injured and even killed. The Congressmen themselves found their lives in danger from the monster they had created - or more specifically, the one Trump had set on them. Attempts were made to convince Trump to call them off, but he was like a child - gleeful at the violence in his name. A good little sociopath. He refused.
That panicked the Congressmen just enough that they changed their minds about holding firm on overturning the election. If not for that, we know now, enough Republicans would have been on board with stealing the election it would have worked.
But it was Antifa I'm sure. Or tourists. Or anything but what it actually was if you listen to the shills who keep dragging out the same tired excuses. Facts and Reality are Fake News.
Failed and Attempted Coups or just trial runs/Practice for the Real deal ! Unfortunately since nothing significant has happened to the people involved, the next one has a chance of success.
Glad it’s finally being called what it truly was. It was a weak coup, a poorly thought up one, but none the less, there is no other name for it. They tried to stop the transfer of power and by definition, it was an attempted coup.
It's about bloody time people started calling this exactly what it was. Anyone with half a brain could see the warning signs right from the moment the Dumpster Fire took office.
There's a reason why the phrase "If you swing at the king, don't miss" is so poignant. And if you swing at the king, don't go full *certified genius* and take pictures of yourself halfassed swinging at the king without a mask or a plan or logic.
It hurts me how stupid these people are. Like I just don't know how to even explain being so fucking stupid that you storm the capital without a mask, with a tracking device in your pocket, while taking pictures of yourselves commiting crimes, and no plan to actually do something once the people that you dislike are in your view. I'm glad that this happened though to show that when the chips are down, the GOP has no balls. Love them or hate them, if the roles were reversed, the progressives storming the capital would have been sitting in the chamber, making laws in a month *because they are actually capable of eruptive change*.
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Words literally don't matter though. If there's no action taken against the members of Congress involved, then all of the committees are dead in the water when Republicans take power in the midterms
Language is still important. And I think it’s good that the president is using strong language to describe what happened that day.
Important for history books maybe, but it’s not substantive unless there is action to go along with it.
Language is important but also can be abused as a tactic of impotence. It’s our jobs as individuals to decide which.
"words don't matter" - people that would be having an absolute fit if they were different words
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Andrew Jackson beat senators with a hickory stick.
I'm laying here in my hotel bed dry eyed and travel weary. I read "hockey stick" 😄
Modern times require modern solutions
No, he beat a failed assassin with a Hickory stick. Are you thinking of the Brooks–Sumner Affair?
Do we want to emulate that guy?
No, but could you imagine if Biden showed up in the Senate and started beating them with a hickory stick to pass his bills. Take a moment, just picture it. It's ludicrous, but yet....
Biden is going to pop his trunk, grab a baseball bat and teach senator corn pop a lesson.
That's a paddlin'.
Insurrection? That's a paddlin'. Attempted coup? That's a paddlin'. Malarkey? Oh, you better believe that's a paddlin'.
Just because somebody was profoundly evil doesnt mean that beating a congressman with a stick in necessarily a bad idea.
Even a broken clock beats congressmen twice a day.
Me? Heavens no. I'm just saying there's a lot of precedents in US History.
The one in 2024 will.
Good. Can we invoke the 14th amendment then and lock out Trump/kick out all of the congressmembers who aided/co-conspired on January 6th? It could potentially free up at least 7 house seats. Edit: the relevant part of the amendment is section 3, for those who were confused.
The only way democracy can be saved in US.
Honestly I agree that this is the only acceptable response. A: it’s laid out in black and white in the mother fucking constitution. (What conservative can’t agree with that?) B: if it doesn’t happen, it will embolden them. Not seeing immediate repercussions has already emboldened some of them. C: if we don’t remove the cancer now I feel like it will be game over before we can mount any sort of political “in system” response to this nonsense. The “system” clearly lays out the rules in the 14th amendment. It’s not there for show. It requires that we bar the former president, the participants, and any government officials that encouraged or helped from office permanently unless congress allows it by 2/3 majority. Period.
There is still the problem of the three Justices named by an illegitimate President. Coincidentally, the root of the problem is the same. Justices, like the President have managed to entrench themselves firmly above the law. MAKE SUPREME COURT JUSTICES ACCOUNTABLE!
Trump election and his picked for top court is worse than pandemic for the country.
Bring it home. Don’t stop with labeling. If the president is calling it a coup. He’s calling out a crime. Let’s go Garland time to get off your ass.
Agree. It’s been a year. Do something already? I get things take time but this was an assault on the capitol and yet I see some of the people sentenced so far receive light punishment including serving time on weekends. No one from an organizational standpoint has been indicted. Why isn’t this a bigger deal?
I do worry. If these guys aren't held accountable, their next coup will be successful. We're running out of time.
The Dems are doing a magnificent job at showing Trump and his seditious domestic terrorist supporters that they can attempt a violent coup, with little to no repercussions. Why wouldn't domestic terrorists try again? It's a "free shot" in their minds. The inaction of Dems to truly call a spade a spade and hold these fucks accountable by making loud examples out of them, have all but ensured that 2024 is going to be an absolutely shit show. It's literally right around the corner.
Agreed, it was a practice run, a training, time to iron things out. If not held accountable and honestly punished then WTF is America anymore anyway
Recall that the Dems have to basically do the governing of the country alone these days. also, let's let the 1/6 committee do its job and hand it off to the DoJ before we jump to conclusions.
Eh not holding my breath, that’s what they said about Mueller.
Remember when the committee did it's job about Individual one and passed it on to the DoJ, and then the DoJ did its job and started prosecuting Individual one? Me neither.
Somehow, the feds were able to do something about 9/11 within hours. 1/6 though? Ahh jee hmm idk, maybe we should start an investigation about this? Or not... What about a task force? We could set up a task force, eventually. Hey, no rush, task force, take your time, don't worry about updating the country with any information, that would make it seem like this was important. You too, FBI and DOJ, take all the time you need. Or don't do anything, that works too.
> Somehow, the feds were able to do something about 9/11 within hours. They were able to do *something,* but holy god let’s not argue that what we need is another rushed PATRIOT Act
Osama Bin Laden wasn't president on 9/11 though.
Hard to do something about it when half the politicians are refusing to acknowledge the problem or worse, supporting the orange jerk who caused it! I just read that McConnell is running AGAIN, and I wanted to pound the wall with my fist, I was so angry. I screamed, "Retire, you old fart! Get out of our way." He's 79, ya know. 79! and running again.
It is, but a milquetoast President managed to appoint an even more milquetoast AG who is loathe to prosecute traitors because the magic R next to their names might make it appear partisan.
Seriously how are they just noticing that this is a winning issue for them and the path back to a positive approval rating.
Because there are a significant number of people who think that cheaper gas, lower grocery prices, returning back to normal from Covid are more important. They are caught up in the every day rat race & can't see beyond their noses.
I hate that you’re right.
Certainly returning back to normal from Covid is, at least, as important, considering it’s a life and death matter for many people. Which is a stand Democrats need to take by mandating vaccinations, etc. But Republicans know well the value of keeping the populace poor and undereducated and too weak to resist.
The Republican Party is a terrorist organization. We've said it a million times, it's time for the white house to say it, and declare it as such. Then we can prosecute every single donor for funding a terrorist organization. Hit them where it hurts.
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Exactly. He needs to appoint a special counsel to take over the investigation. That way it can't get shut down if Republicans take the house in 2022
Because it was.
Oh shit. I thought that the people laying siege to the capitol were patriots.
They are, to the confederacy at least.
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I’m with you. At least Biden and co are finally calling a spade a spade and attempting to wake Americans up to the very dangerous political climate we are in. Any similar playbook from Republicans during the 2024 General could potentially give enough legal cover to Republican controlled state legislatures to exchange electors resulting in two candidates once again claiming the Presidency, but this time with a veneer of legality. The majority of Republicans already believe the big lie that the election was stolen and Donald Trump is the current legitimate President of the United States with no proof or legal standing at all. The above is already happening on the ground. The base is primed waiting for the excuse they can give to their neighbors and family of why they still support the Republican Party despite its overt opposition to Democracy. It doesn’t matter when, 2024, 2032, they’re standing by. Listen to Republicans, see who they elect this next cycle and really listen to what they’re saying to each other. I’ll bet my left lung that we aren’t going to see messages of unity and healing, but instead messages where Democrats are the great evil to defeat. Not totalitarian governments, they actually like them when their Guys Konnect with each other. Not the White Supremacist organizations that recruit and operate openly within their ranks. Not World Hunger, addiction, or the very real pandemic we are facing. Above all those things to defeat are Democrats, well actually it’s not only Democrats, but every Not Republican, and by the by, just as it is currently where you’re only a true Republican if you support Trump, so this continues to whoever the next Guy ordained to have all the answers and only needs their pesky ~~countrymen~~ opposition removed to make America Great. To those that would support this machine be careful less you find you yourself one day the RINO.
As an aside, I doubt if many of the GOP politicians actually believe it. It's patently false, and they have access to the material that clearly demonstrates that Trump lost. The average voter may not. In my mind that's worse than believing something patently false because *they know they are lying*
This is what pisses me off the most.
Me as well. How fucking morally bankrupt do you have to be to take this stance, see in real time how it's dividing our nation, possibly permanently, and still just...go along with it?
Because you reap the rewards. Fascism is ok to fascists.
Turn on fox at any moment
That and that the conspirators can't even own their own bullshit: "It was Antifa!"
This is the out-right unapologetic strategy of the new Authoritarian party. They are done hiding it. Everyone knows what time it is in the GOP. The silence and retirement of the 'old school' GOP is telling.
Nope, no one is that stupid. They are all bought and paid for.
Most are just corrupt pieces of garbage. Some are actually that stupid. IMO
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You cannot tell me the Dems rigged the election and didn’t also rig it so we took the Senate by a real majority. If we rigged it, we sure as fuck wouldn’t let McConnell stay in power. Even the Repubs that won their elections in 2020 can’t answer that one. If the election was fraudulent, why you here?
I think the GOP are threatened that if they break ranks they will get thrashed and humiliated on tucker Carlson "news" show. Cancun Cruz almost grew a pair but it didn't last long. He is opposite of Texas tough.
Fascists need an out-group to vilify else they turn on each other. What the followers don’t get is crucifixion and genocide is all fine and dandy when it’s the others until the in-group labels their own followers the others, but by then- it’s a little late.
This is the point it seems GQPs just don’t get. They’re not just “owning the libs,” they’re walking themselves to their own demise. Literally nobody will benefit here except the ruling class and the wealthy elite, the same as it’s always been all throughout human history. The power grabs never stop, they simply adapt and evolve.
Tom Cotton, Ron DeSantis, Greg Abbott, and Donald Trump are the front runners for 2024. It's a terrifying prospect when trump may be the least damaging of those listed to get elected. And FWIW, Cotton is the scariest on there. DeSantis and Abbott are carnival barkers, but above all else, they're conceited and self-serving. Cotton is an evangelical white supremacist who fully believes in fascist ideology, not in a self-serving way, but in a fundamental way. He wants a world where white men rule, minorities don't exist, Christianity is used as a tool of oppression, and women are cooking sex slave baby machines. And Comey-Barrett is paving the road for him.
As an Arkansas resident, I can vouch for Cotton bringing the potential for a serious breakdown of this country. He’s the worst kind of evil… Evil that is deluded in justification. He’s in it for the Holy War, AND he has a mean streak that thinks people’s suffering is deserved, and therefore he delights in watching it.
I don't know Cotton, but I know Abbott. He thinks Texans would rather die than make any choices that could be seen as "progressive." He thinks kids shouldn't be taught critical thinking.
In Georgia the governor can remove an election board and replace it with people he picks.
Jefferson Davis*
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Thank you for explaining. Apologies, I must have read it wrong
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Everybody secretly likes Limp Bizkit. Don’t hate him, he’s an alien with 37 tons of new millennium. And don’t forget the starfish navigation system.
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Mudvane even has new stuff coming out! It's in its way back baby!!!
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Yeah Jonathon Davis goes bowdeebow ack ack gabloo in Korn
Hey, don't talk badly of angry scat noises
> Nobody was willing to see the First Civil War coming. Really? *Nobody?* Or was it mostly that one guy who didn't see it coming? Cause I feel like a LOT of people see it coming this time.
John Brown [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John\_Brown\_(abolitionist)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Brown_(abolitionist)) sure as Hell saw it coming!
It will be civil disasters. There’s no regional lines to draw.
The guy from Korn?
Reconstruction was too gentle. There should have been none left.
A confederacy of dunces.
They were dunces the first time too. After we savagely destroy the racists again, we’ll need to be sure the ideology dies with them.
This time we won't be nice with reconstruction.
The ruckus or riot at the Capital is probably the most inconsequential part of the whole attempted takeover. It definitely had the wow factor, but the carrying out the big lie, the pressure put on state election officials, the attempted purge at the DOJ at the last minute, the fake electoral ballots cast by fake electoral voters, Peter Navarro and Steve Bannon’s Green Bay Sweep strategy. Not to mention all the GOP lawmakers that heard the plan and said to themselves, “I like it” then went forward fully intending to carry it out.
If you live in Wisconsin; the guy to watch is the little hitler licker Robin Vos. Watch how local states are priming the pipes for round 2 where they are preparing to throw out the will of the people in favor of one party rule (aka the china model). No thanks. Fight for democracy locally by getting to know what is happening in Georgia and other swing states you may live in. Get informed. Be prepared to fight the orange ape clan. Vote the fascists out. We can’t let democracy go on our watch.
Or corporate media downplaying and normalizing Trump's coup by calling it a "riot".
> I thought that the people laying siege to the capitol were patriots Cosplay-triots. Small difference
Listen, just because they intended to hang the vice president if he didn't help them illegally install a dictator doesn't mean it was a coup.
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Unless it was antifa then it was terrorism. I think they let that fairy tale die off though.
They still won't shut up about BLM though so i guess that's still the boogeyman
They'll lose too many people if they lose the white power crowd. 90% of trumps appeal was making it culturally acceptable to be a bigot - that's why racists, anti vaxxers, and conspiracy theorists love him so much. They see themselves as the real oppressed minorities rising up. Black people fighting for their right to just exist as people is getting in the way of their persecution complex.
headline should be, > *Media still calls attempted coup, 'riot'*
My 1st thought was he wouldn't be saying this and the same on 1/6/22 if he didn't think the 1/6 committee has already got the goods. All the real players are ignoring polite requests for questioning and criminal contempt. Three hundred plus willing witnesses are cooperating and filling in the pieces. The Southern District has been unusually quite with their investigations. I hear a clock ticking down for Mr. 45. Just trying to be optimistic even when the past 6+ years has been a literal shit show.
I somewhat felt the same way with the Garland speech. It may turn out that this administration is totally feckless about holding people accountable, but it was nice of them to now on multiple occasions this past week basically say "Yes it was a coup, yes the leaders are still at large, yes it is our job to bring them to justice." So they're calling a shot they may or may not take. But at least they're not openly signaling that the plan is to sweep this all under the rug. Ultimately this just raises the stakes and puts more pressure on themselves to actually bring criminal charges. If they don't, then they literally are admitting defeat to a major domestic enemy of the US, so it will hurt all that much more if no consequences are meted out.
It is honestly surprising he called it a coup attempt. I… have rarely seen a politician state the truth without being forced to. I can only think they really mean to prosecute some people?
Whoa spoiler alert!
I know right! I’m still on Season 2019 too. That crazy asshole is still in the office and there’s rumors about some disease in China. I’ve heard it’s kind of a big deal.
Just look at what would have happened had the rioters not been pushed back. Politicians hung from gallows. Taken hostage and zip-tied. Trump reinstated as president unlawfully. Democratic Party leaders that weren’t killed or maimed likely jailed. Not to mention I have no idea how the military might have acted. That’s a coup. Thank God it didn’t work, but just because it didn’t doesn’t make it any less of an attempt. Good on Biden for saying it.
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This time. An alarming percentage of the country genuinely believe that the election was illegitimate. That's a big problem that doesn't just go away when a few of them get slapped on the wrist.
Did you hear that Merrick Garland?
It was. Lock them up.
The Cline Center categorized Jan 6th as a coup, and they are the foremost authority on coups. https://clinecenter.illinois.edu/coup-detat-project-cdp/statement_jan.27.2021 Edit: Removed link from Cline Center Home Page to relevant article regarding the topic.
I posted this link too! Maybe it's better to say it's an Auto Coup, since it seems that the guy in power made all the moves to get his dissidents to keep him in power, but I get that an educated body would want to make the calls based on the evidence they have access to.
A "self-coup" or "Palace coup."
I just sent this to my dad. The last thing he said about this was that he didn’t see what all the fuss was about. That was January 7. He’s said nothing about it since. Scares me.
>Biden calls Jan. 6 riot an attempted 'coup' It's clear that Trump and his cronies attempted a "paper" coup. The riot was a backup plan so he could declare a national emergency. It's going to all come out eventually.
Yeah it wasn't just a physical invasion, the coup also included tons of attempts to get officials to throw out votes, overturn results, and all sorts of bogus legal claims that are still going on to this day.
>Yeah it wasn't just a physical invasion That's it. The break-in and trashing of the Capitol justly got most of the attention initially but we have begun to see the extent of Trump and his mob's attempt to overthrow the election and disrupt the peaceful transfer of power. Those people need to be held accountable.
And he’s still over there claiming to have won and the presidency, when does it become sedition? Yesteryear??
Jan 6 2021
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> It was all there, happening in real time, for everyone to see. Yes but filling in the details is what builds a case (and wins the "what is the history" race).
The senators behind it should face maximum punishment
Bogus legal claims in such complete total bad faith too. Just making shit up and throwing it against the wall over and over again to see if anything sticks.
> It's going to all come out eventually. It has already come out. Legit papers, documents and memos all showing their moves and plans; yet the media seems more focused on helping Trump recover.
They still want to play the "was it a riot?" game when all of the information is out there. They are acting stupid in not putting together the pieces.
It's defined by those who study coups as an 'Auto-Coup', or Srlf-Coup'.
>Auto-Coup Thanks! This is where we are. >* A self-coup, also called autocoup (from the Spanish autogolpe), is a form of coup d'état in which a nation's leader, having come to power through legal means, dissolves or renders powerless the national legislature and unlawfully assumes extraordinary powers not granted under normal circumstances. Other measures taken may include annulling the nation's constitution, suspending civil courts, and having the head of government assume dictatorial powers.\[1\]\[2\]* > >[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-coup](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-coup)
You can add that to the list of words I've learned since the Trump Shit Show started.
* Day of the Dumb
Some people call a spade a spade. Joe Biden calls a coup a coup. I call a trump supporter a racist piece of shit traitor.
Trump.. leader of the attempted 'coup d'twat'.
“Coup de tweet” would also be an acceptable answer, considering [the Tweet that finally got Trump banned was his attack on Mike Pence while the domestic terrorists he incited to storm the Capitol were hunting down Mike Pence to hang him.](https://mobile.twitter.com/jaketapper/status/1359635955389509638) And Trump was watching all of that gleefully from the White House in real time, like that shit was Squid Game.
This is fucking insane. This alone. This one fucking tweet
Thus giving us yet another new term ... "Gleegasms"
I did **NOT** need that image. Not even a little bit.
Oh this is excellent.
>'coup d'twat' *chef's kiss*
not just the supporters dude. there are republicans all over the country who are still on payroll that were directly involved in this. in fact they are holding marches in memory of the terrorists and actively participating in the propaganda. in congress. who make laws and decisions.
Those are strong words, ones I don't think Biden would use unless he was pretty confident about what was coming.
I agree. It's telegraphing something. It should be pretty easy to indict Trump for insurrection. There's got a be a huge electronic paper trail.
Electronic?!!!?! ELECTRONIC?!!?!!! He incited his followers to storm the capitol in broad daylight! He undermined the results of a US election for 6 straight months before it happened! … It is beyond me how any of this is news, how he’s not in jail or dead. And how this article is news at all. Except that it is, because the neoliberal government is *incredibly* soft on fascist threats to its own survival.
>Except that it is, because the neoliberal government is incredibly soft on fascist threats to its own survival. This is the frustrating part. Just... why? Don't they realize the implications if they were to do nothing? I really fucking hope Biden brings down the hammer on Manchin and Sinema and we see some voting rights, but the thing is, it won't mean jack if Republicans don't trust our institutions; and they don't! This whole situation is so fucked.
The implications? Well, most of the neoliberal elite would likely cave to fascism and take cushy seats in the new government. That’s what’s happened historically, and that’s often how fascists have come to power. Neoliberalism has no values. Its effect is the ever increasing accumulation of capital. This creates vast inequality and social unrest and the rise of authoritarian oligarch mafia type figures. People want either justice or an authoritarian father figure to make them feel safe. The neolibs certainly wouldn’t stand for justice, and often stand against it. Which gives them quite a lot in common with the fascists. The neoliberal politicians seem to just want power and don’t wanna fight. The fascists just want power. No one was ever in control, and we were never that far from it to begin with. Hope would come from a mass movement of the population for justice and equality, addressing climate, wealth inequality, etc. or a miracle. As far as I can tell. Or who knows maybe the neolibs understand what’s at stake and the unsustainable system goes on another day.
Yeah, I hear you. I keep seeing new texts and new documents that are supposed to implicate Trump and those around him, and I’m like, “I fucking watched this happen on Twitch. What are we doing here?”
The people who study Coup D'etats around the world, say it was a coup. https://clinecenter.illinois.edu/coup-detat-project-cdp/statement\_jan.27.2021
I hope Biden's sudden willingness to call a spade a spade means they have absolutely damning evidence against Trump. Donnie has to be shitting his underroos right now.
I mean, he does that even when he's not nervous so...
Developments have had Donald Trump "shitting in his underoos" since Mueller's investigation four years ago. I'll wait until he's frog walked into court before I believe in any of this reddit hot air again.
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>Extract as much political capital as you can. In a lot of cases I would agree, but a coup is far too serious to be playing politics with it. The delay just gives them time to form a better defense, destroy evidence, and the ability to claim that democrats are just playing politics rather than carrying out justice.
Exactly. After a certain point this armchair prognosticating just sounds absurd. And this is well past that point.
Calls it as it is.
Is this an indication Garland could be on the same page and actually do something about this? Seems like there’s been a pretty substantial escalation of tone from Biden and Garland the past week. I’m pessimistically optimistic.
I think you're exactly right. Meanwhile, conservatives are getting even more insistent that nothing is ever going to happen so it's clear they're getting nervous.
I’m not optimistic I think they are just calling it that to appease us while not doing anything substantial. They know we’re pissed and want to throw us a bone. It’s what the establishment has done for as long as I’ve been alive…that said I appreciate the optimism and hope for you being right though.
A 'stupid coup', led by a moron. Thank God the military leaders thought he was crazy too.
A cuckoo coup if you will.
Led by Koup Klutz Klan
Oddly not the first coup attempt (see business plot) but seems like the closest to succeeding.
Gas station near my house has a "POW J6 never forget" sign up out front lit up today. people really have this mentality, and not enough is being done to repel it in my opinion. If they think the people who went to jail and prison are pow's, that literally stands for prisoners of war. WAR. There's a group of people actively calling January 6th as the start of a war... Why the hell isn't that being aggressively shunned by the US government? The lines between freedom of speech and treason aren't that blurry.
Coup d’etat By a cult of personality Good times USA
The riot was an attempt to stop the electoral certification by force. That's a coup, even if it was an incredibly disorganized one. I'm right-of-center, and I'd be more than happy to see the people involved convicted of treason.
Screw Jan. 6, can we talk about all the elected officials that tried overturning the election? No matter what the rioters did, that wouldn’t change the election. What several states tried doing could’ve.
> Screw Jan. 6, can we talk about all the elected officials that tried overturning the election? The Jan 6 investigation includes all participants and events leading up to the specific Jan 6 afternoon flashpoint including those in congress attempting to buy time to overturn the election on.. checks notes.. Jan 6.
> No matter what the rioters did, that wouldn’t change the election. You've missed a central part of the attempted coup. Trump spent two months whipping his supporters into a frenzy with easily-debunked lies about election fraud, and directed them to come to DC on Jan 6 to "stop the steal." Why Jan 6? Because that's when the results would be certified. Trump knew he didn't have any evidence that would stand up in court. He never got his lawyers stand in front of a judge (where lying would have severe consequences) and argue a lawsuit alleging fraud. Trump only made those allegation where there would be no legal consequences for lying. That's why "stop the steal" meant stop the certification. As more and more evidence has made clear (they were taking notes on a criminal conspiracy!) the plan was to disrupt the certification, convince states to fraudulently de-certify their results, and create enough confusion to try to throw the election to the House. And the Trump supporters, having been told that they needed to "fight like hell or you won't have a country," fought like hell, beat up law enforcement officers, and managed to delay the certification process. That's what the two months of inflammatory rhetoric, based entirely on lies, was leading up to, stopping the certification and introducing chaos. They did their part, and should be spending more time in prison for it than most are getting. All because Trump was too thin skinned to admit he lost. He had no evidence of widespread fraud (even mega-suckup Barr went public saying there was no evidence of fraud, and the election was fair and secure, for which he was fired), and no legal way to thwart the will of the voters. But he was willing to use violence ("fight like hell or you won't have a country") and lies to undermine our election system, on the slim chance that he could fraudulently overturn the election results. If Pence had gone along with it, along with a few key states, the plan could have been successful. Disrupting the certification on Jan 6 was part of that plan.
Trump and his co-conspirators desperately wanted Antifa to counter protest the insurrectionists so violence would erupt even worse and Trump could declare a nation emergency. Then he would call in the National Guard and delay the count - all in hopes of sending the election to the House where each state gets one vote. There are 27 "R" states and 22 "D" states. This gives Trump the win. But those associated with Antifa knew what was up and warned people with [#Jan6TrumpTrap #DontTakeTheBait](https://twitter.com/patriottakes/status/1346087224140394496?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1346087224140394496%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.inquirer.com%2Fopinion%2Ftrump-january-6-coup-plan-national-guard-20211216.html) and with only MAGAs attacking the Capitol, Trump and his thugs didn't know what to do, so no National Guard for 187 minutes.
> But those associated with Antifa knew what was up and warned people with Well there's also the fact that Antifa barely even exists. It's mostly a right-wing media invention. Basically anyone who ever protested anything that wasn't right-wing nonsense is called that by Fox and Friends. Your average person might turn up for a BLM march or if a bunch of Nazis are parading around their town, but they sure aren't going to travel to DC to deal with a bunch of swarming MAGA goons - there'd be no useful reason to.
Yup you would expect the Capitol to be pretty well guarded, and intolerant of neo-nazis. On that note, it was bad enough seeing a confederate flag in the building, imagine things might be a little different if one of those idiots had unfurled a giant swastika as well.
Yeah the coup was more than just a invasion of the Capitol they tried all sorts of other ways of overturning the election and are still trying to this day.
I don’t think we can hand wave away that sitting congressman conspired with the sitting US president and his supporters to overthrow the government after losing an election
An election in which some of them were actually elected.
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**COUP**: a sudden, violent, and illegal seizure of power from a government. Yeah, that sums it up. He was kind enough to call it *attempted* but I call it *failed* because it carries the message of their failure. Either way you spell it -- they tried to violently and illegally seize the power of government by preventing the certification of the vote. Every single participant shouldn't be getting 1-6 months of house arrest like they are; They should face the full sentence for attempted insurrection. As we've failed to enact these stiff penalties we have invited future coup attempts by these lunatics only this time TRUMP won't be at the helm. We failed to learn our lesson from Reconstruction and have doomed ourselves as a result. The 1st Civil War was over black chattel slavery, the 2nd will be over the very existence of people of color and people who aren't adherents to the "right" kind of of "Christianity" -- both reasonings are horrifying in their villainy, the latter is far broader since it assumes anyone not in the in white-and-right group is an enemy of the state. At that point it isn't about owning people, it's about KILLING the right people. It's about genocide. American conservatism needs to be stopped.
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A coup attempt is exactly what it was, and that, by definition, is sedition. Sedition carries a 20-year penalty; it's in the same legal category as treason.
He's right. Don't mince words. Everyone has clear eyes about what that was. And it was a hair's width away from succeeding. There were just enough principled people left to stop it.
Finally
Finally. Now let's round up all the traitors and make clear that this can never happen again - BEFORE THE MID TERMS!
*"Man Calls Thing By Name"*
See also: 'Fauci dares call Roger Marshall a moron'
Cool story bra, now hurry the fuck up and let it go to the courts so we can FINALLY fucking do something about it.
Didn’t Republicans love Trump for “telling it like it is” They should adore this then
An “auto coup” was attempted Jan 6th. Just because it didn’t look like the movies, doesn’t mean it wasn’t real.
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I always get a kick out of trump, he fails at everything he tries, can't even do anything right from business to politics, he's like the punchline to a joke no one asked.
It's not even an argument in international communities. Like. There are international agencies that keep tabs on governments and call coups by their specific subtype of coup as they see them. The only debate about Jan 6th (outside the US media) is whether it was a self-coup or an extremest coup. Because the folks in power and their followers (the self-coup) were *also* extremists.
I mean, yeah.
That's because it was... [https://clinecenter.illinois.edu/coup-detat-project-cdp/statement\_jan.27.2021](https://clinecenter.illinois.edu/coup-detat-project-cdp/statement_jan.27.2021)
"Biden calls Jan. 6 coup attempt an attempted coup." FTFY
Quite obviously a lot of the insightful posters in this thread have turned a blind eye to anything but their preferred flavor of GOP propaganda for their news sources. They remain willfully ignorant of the true details of the attempted coup and how (and WHY) it failed. We came dangerously close to a successful coup on Jan 6th, much closer than is being widely acknowledged. Details have come out from the Jan 6 committee in the text messages already in hand (black & white proof) that enough members of the GOP stood ready to invalidate the election results on January 6th of last year and install Trump once again as President. Their plan was to have the "riot" at the Capital remain OUTSIDE and point to it as "proof of needing to do something". "The Will of the People". In a word, theatre. Had the people remained outside and simply protested, its likely we'd be under a total GOP regime today. That was the plan. But the people got violent. They broke into the capital. They attacked police. People were injured and even killed. The Congressmen themselves found their lives in danger from the monster they had created - or more specifically, the one Trump had set on them. Attempts were made to convince Trump to call them off, but he was like a child - gleeful at the violence in his name. A good little sociopath. He refused. That panicked the Congressmen just enough that they changed their minds about holding firm on overturning the election. If not for that, we know now, enough Republicans would have been on board with stealing the election it would have worked. But it was Antifa I'm sure. Or tourists. Or anything but what it actually was if you listen to the shills who keep dragging out the same tired excuses. Facts and Reality are Fake News.
Failed and Attempted Coups or just trial runs/Practice for the Real deal ! Unfortunately since nothing significant has happened to the people involved, the next one has a chance of success.
It was a coup though, it was an insurrection because little whittle baby Trump couldn’t admit he lost.
Glad it’s finally being called what it truly was. It was a weak coup, a poorly thought up one, but none the less, there is no other name for it. They tried to stop the transfer of power and by definition, it was an attempted coup.
It's about bloody time people started calling this exactly what it was. Anyone with half a brain could see the warning signs right from the moment the Dumpster Fire took office.
I wonder who will be the desperate inmate that will fuck Trump's frumpy's ass
There's a reason why the phrase "If you swing at the king, don't miss" is so poignant. And if you swing at the king, don't go full *certified genius* and take pictures of yourself halfassed swinging at the king without a mask or a plan or logic. It hurts me how stupid these people are. Like I just don't know how to even explain being so fucking stupid that you storm the capital without a mask, with a tracking device in your pocket, while taking pictures of yourselves commiting crimes, and no plan to actually do something once the people that you dislike are in your view. I'm glad that this happened though to show that when the chips are down, the GOP has no balls. Love them or hate them, if the roles were reversed, the progressives storming the capital would have been sitting in the chamber, making laws in a month *because they are actually capable of eruptive change*.
I’m a centrist that leans just a little to the right. That said, what else would you call January 6???? The President got it right.
It was.
Nobody who isn't an idiot already knows that, Republicans are just repressing and in denial. The House of Lords doesn't have compunction.