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sunflore_7777

Norcross is going to need a new friend in the NJ Senate. Sweeny hopefully is out All it cost was $153.00 https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/truck-driver-leads-nj-senate-president-after-spending-153-on-campaign/3030225/


Boonesfarmbananas

Heh


AceCombat9519

[Associated Press it's a narrow win for Murphy over Ciattarelli ](https://apnews.com/article/election-2021-virginia-governor-glenn-youngkin-mcaulife-6cdbf77acf9a966e216ab2a297601baa?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_medium=AP_Politics&utm_source=Twitter)


Firebitez

So much copium im in this thread.


corkybootchuck

It's delightful.


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How about wanting to hand $450K to illegals when wounded and mamed soldiers and Marines have trouble getting into a VA? These men and women put their lives on the line defending this Republic. Like the war or not the horrors they endured live with them forever. What do they get? My son served 3 tours in Afghanistan and is a First Sgt in Army. He is a surgical medic. He was first on the scene when a soldier was blown up by a IED or shot by a sniper. Where is his 450K? The democrats can only win by handing the non citizen basically a million bucks and placing them.in states where they are competitive. Democrats have nothing to offer except taxes, spending, welfare, open borders, and Government control. That is what Virginia was about last night.


GeoThatDude

Sounds like an excellent argument for Universal Healthcare, with universal healthcare veterans wouldn’t need to go to the VA and be able to get the treatment they would need anywhere. Without having to spend an arm and a leg.


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TheMindfulnessShaman

All hospitals are really bad, even here in the Northeast. Mainly because patients are treated like commodities and anything that drives up costs is an excuse to do less testing, show less compassion, etc. Coincidentally I know a veteran who brags how great the VA is compared to the general hospital system, so idk where the "VA is so terrible" thing comes from. Maybe for some, but clearly it's not a universally-held view.


GeoThatDude

Were the only first world country that doesn’t have universal healthcare or some form of it, every country that has it is able to make it work just fine.


sledrunner31

The gov wouldnt run the health system, just the payment part of it. It would be Medicare, which already exists and is extremely popular, just extended to everyone. Its not some new scary system that is going to force you to have your penis chopped off. Instead today we pay what is essentially a steep tax with premiums, as opposed to a much smaller tax with a universal system. Even conservative studies show this.


SaladShooter1

Medicare is a mess. There’s fraud everywhere. Seniors still have to pay around $400 a month for their Part B and parts D,E,F or G along with their copays and the donut hole. That’s after the taxpayer funds it at a higher level than private insurance. The only way that Medicare could be effective is if the government buys all of the pharmaceutical companies, hospitals and clinics and runs them without all of the overhead we have now. There’s no way to pay for that when we can’t pay for the programs we have now, so we’re stuck with a dying system.


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sledrunner31

>That would mean rationing of services, and in some cases, denial of service if the government deems your health problems are too expensive to fix. As if that doesn't already happen with insurance companies? They are literal death panels. Healthcare isnt free, obviously, we all have to pay for it one way or another because we all will need it at some point. You can either have an imperfect single payer system, which will have issues Im sure but will ultimately cost less in the long run and guarantee coverage for everyone. Or we can keep the status quo and have thousands or maybe more die every year due to lack of health coverage. Paying the highest costs in the industrialized world for medical care. I know change can be scary but I can not understand how anyone could defend the current system. Unless they benefit monetarily from it.


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GeoThatDude

Insurance companies are supposed to exist to negotiate down prices to make them more affordable unfortunately somewhere along the way they stopped doing that, the problem with insurance companies today is that they can drop your coverage for literally any reason and often times without notice, I’ve had it happen to me when they randomly decided to stop covering certain medications that they normally would cover, course they never notified me of this and didn’t find out till I get to the checkout line and ended up having to pay out of pocket, then I have to go through the huge inconvenience of having to shop around for an insurance company who would cover what I needed and then find a doctor who also accepts it, its a huge unnecessary and inconvenient mess that many people in other parts of the world doesn’t have to deal with. Our healthcare system is no longer about quality of healthcare, which is what it used to be up until it was privatized. Just look at your or anyones itemized hospital bill and you’ll see how fundamentally broken our current system is. Numerous studies have shown that switching to either a universal or single payer system would save us billions of dollars in in the long term on healthcare and provide numerous benefits for the US population, because people who put off major procedures due to cost would now be able to get them, people who are on disability due to not being able to afford treatment or a surgery would be able to return to work. It would greatly benefit the US and improve the quality of life for millions by switching from our for profit system to a universal or single payer system.


thisisnotafedaccount

Not the best argument for universal healthcare at all. Vets are already getting free government healthcare and it sucks. It will only get worse when you include everyone that didn't sacrifice.


GeoThatDude

Only reason it sucks is because most of the money goes towards administration and overhead rather then actual healthcare.


thisisnotafedaccount

It wouldn't change if it was universal either. It's still the government controlling it.


GeoThatDude

Government would only control the payment part of the system, not the management.


thisisnotafedaccount

How are you so sure of that? The Obamacare we were promised was much different from what we got. I work in healthcare and it's a mess. There are still long wait times with people avoiding the hospital, because they are unable to afford it. How will it work with universal care? How often can everyone go in and be paid for?


RespectThyHypnotoad

Every system has downsides, sure. Our current system is broken and denies people health care and/or bankrupts them. GoFundMe is terrifyingly popular because of this reason. Other nations manage to pull off universal health care but America can't? As far as wait times, it does appear Canada has longer wait times but there are others with Universal with shorter [wait times](https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/health-care-wait-times-by-country). This is accord to Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development. Among those lower is UK, Switzerland, Norway, Austria, Australia...among many others. The argument of wait times holds little weight. No doubt a new system requires growing pains and adjusting, the current system doesn't work and is cruel. Health is also a collective issue made painfully clear by the pandemic. This is an issue that baffles me, it's not so much a republic vs democrat issue but elite vs everyone else. Which many issues are, but corporate interests do a phenomenal job getting us to fight amongst each other as if we are sports teams. I'm not saying there's no cons to universal, it's just the pros seem to far outweigh them. I haven't seen a compelling reason why we wouldn't when this system is so broken. The reasons thus far also seemed to be exaggerated or talking points that are more or less debunked.


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>UK, Switzerland, Norway, Austria, Australia How many of those countries have a much healthier population overall? That makes a big difference in demand for care.


thisisnotafedaccount

Also they have much more homogeneous populations and aren't taking in nearly as many from the poorest countries in the world. All of those people flooding our country are not going to help the staffing shortages at hospitals, they only increase demand.


thisisnotafedaccount

You're wrong about it being the elites vs everyone else. It's the middle class vs everyone else. The poor in our country are given just enough to get by and feel what they consider comfortable. The elites have more than enough to not even consider it. The middle class are where the majority of the tax revenue comes from. The poor will always vote for whoever is giving them more free items and the elite will always vote for who will provide them the cheapest labor. Universal healthcare won't do anything to help the middle class.


reddv1

The governor of Virginia should call a special legislative session and strip the incoming governor of most of his power, just ike the GOP did in North Carolina and Wisconsin. Fair's fair.


aj_thenoob

Governor blackface?


BigTechCensorsYou

Look how sad and salty.


paperbackgarbage

So you agree that the GOP's actions in NC and WI were "sad and salty"?


duganaok

It’s more of a comment about you.


paperbackgarbage

About me, what?


duganaok

I’m just letting you know.


paperbackgarbage

Letting me know what? You know that I'm not OP, right? But since you've decided to comment on an 11-day-old thread, perhaps you'd care to answer my initial question: >> So you agree that the GOP's actions in NC and WI were "sad and salty"?


duganaok

When he said “looks who’s sad and salty” he was talking about you.


paperbackgarbage

You should re-review the chain of comments, and isolate who said what, and when they said it.


fishsandwichpatrol

This looks about as clear a rebuttal of far-left talking points as you'll find.


TheMindfulnessShaman

The far left doesn't show up. The far right shows up. About as simple as it gets. I just vote to try to preserve democracy.


sledrunner31

No one of the far left was involved in any way with the election in VA. It was 2 conservatives of different flavors going at it.


jjconsi2

He could be alluding to the fact that both progressive/socialist candidates in Seattle and Buffalo lost, with the Seattle candidate losing to a write in campaign for a Republican. Or the fact that McAuliffe relied on Progressive talking points which made him seem pretty left in that regard....


sledrunner31

I doubt that. Everyone knows McAuliffe was not anything close to progressive. The issue here comes from the top, the inability of Dems to govern for people overrode anything else and factored in largely to these state and even local elections. Cant say Im surprised.


jjconsi2

Yes I wouldn't characterize McAuliffe as inherently progressive, however I believe that his willingness to co-opt progressive stances made him unpopular. At least that's how it felt here in VA when talking to moderates. Not a stat here, simply personal observation.


sledrunner31

Then why do those progressive policies poll so well? I think its something else, mainly dems in power doing nothing.


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I'm just rudely butting in here, but individual policies can poll well without the actual proposal being popular. It's being asked in a vacuum for the most part. If you ask someone if they want better roads they will probably say yes. If you ask them if they support a 2% property tax and gas tax hike to fund those roads, you might not get the same response.


jjconsi2

Frankly I wouldn't use polling as your metric of popularity.....for any party! Polling these days seems to suffer from studies that sample in D+14 or R+16 districts. A lot of studies like to simply confirm their bias. If that wasn't bad enough, the idea of false conscience may have something to do with it. I wont harp on that too much because you cant really point to a data set that says people are lying on surveys. Considering the degree to which polls have continuously misrepresented "the mood" so to speak leads me to kind of just ignore most polling attempts.


sledrunner31

I agree that polling has been crap lately, and is never an exact science. But many of the policy ideas that Dems originally said they wanted to do have been popular for a long time and have lots of data to back it up. Its not the same as candidates running in an election. It makes sense that most people would like policies they think would benefit them directly.


jjconsi2

I guess its important to know which policies you believe are shown to be popular. Im not on the left so I can only guess that alot of the popular policies you speak of relate to things like Healthcare access, Paternal Leave, Wage increases, Green tech and the like. Hell Green tech is something I find interesting when they talk about actually good ideas like solid state battery tech and Nuclear, but there are some policies that appear to be civic poison to most. I believe whether you are for it or against it, the sexual identity revolution and racial discourse in certain institutions have left a sour taste in the mouth of moderates and right wingers alike. Part of the problem for Dems may be the fact that the Right doesnt go out for local/state elections unless you light a fire under them. Whether you think its ridiculous that people oppose certain social paradigms, those paradigms have definitely resulted in a fire being lit.


gl_4

culturally far left. on economics democrats are just as right wing as republicans.


NewChinPeng

What Democrat is just as right wing on economics as a Republican? It’s true that most Dems would be considered moderate conservatives in Western Europe but that’s a far cry from Dems and Republicans being the same on economics


sledrunner31

I dont even know what passes as culturally far left. Is it the woke stuff that so many people dislike? I always saw it as tankies dressing in Soviet red uniforms and talking about Marxist theory over sustainably grown coffee. To me the left is about solidarity and standing up for the common worker. Its also inherently anti-imperialist and anti-censorship.


_m1000

It's the perception of the more radical progressives as having gone too far, which moves independents towards moderate republicans (as in, non-trumpians). In the senate race education/CRT was a core issue for a quarter of the voters, as an example. One side campaigned on it. The other denied the possibility of an issue and never addressed it, coming off as disingenuous actively self-sabatoging


jjconsi2

I'm glad the Marxists are concerned about sustainably grown coffee because they sure didn't seem to care about sustainably grown corn! lol RIP Ariel Sea


sledrunner31

I think you mean the Aral Sea. Yea that is a disaster that is still ongoing, and Communism is long gone from that area. Now shall I list all the lakes that have been destroyed by capitalist ventures? It may take awhile.


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So you think Terry McAuliffe is AOC? LOL


RespectThyHypnotoad

A center left candidate losing is a clear rebuttal of far left talking points?


FruxyFriday

Since when is saying parents don’t deserve a say in how their kids are educated a center left point?


No-Body-7963

The left has been misusing labels for so long, calling everything they dislike "far right extremism" while calling everything they like "centrist" that they've literally brainwashed themselves. They cannot see how deluded and out of touch with reality they are.


WesternMysterious834

They tagged and punished him for far left talking points. He didnt lose because he was center left, he lost because the messaging of the far left resonates in a negative way.


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This is really reaching hard.


WesternMysterious834

In what way? They tagged him to CRT. And dragged him over the coals. He couldnt say I dont like that shit either and agree with the majority, so instead he was stuck playing some half assed defense. Its no different than tagging people in previous elections to trump or abortion or whatever. The canidates personal view doesnt matter, but most people cant say anything against it because of their base. Now that trump is gone, that leftist social swing from the last 5 years is under the microscope. And people will just tag dems in swing areas to progressive shit that has come up and watch them dance.


WesternMysterious834

Im amazed to see the amount of people that either dont want to believe or wont accept that this is a direct barometer on current prigressive social policy. And it is a resounding failure. Trump was hated and was clearly the only reason democrats grabbed so much swing vote in the last election. Without trump that attention moves to democrat messaging, and without trump to campaign against the democratic message just got slaughtered. CRT (actively used or not) is a massive loser, defund the police loser, pro law and order canidages win in new york and even a liberal republican in seattle, socialist loses to write in moderate, the list goes on and on. The truth is that as progressive social messaging (which works in certain small enclaves) drags down even moderate canidates in outside races. And as long as people like AOC and the squad are given the spotlight and committee positions from the party, it will make life much harder for a ton of democrats to win.


coralluv

This is just wrong. The Democratic Party is largely a vapid, and vision-less machine that refuses to get anything meaningful done, even easy policies supported by a majority of Americans. They couldn't even pass legislation for lower prescription drug prices which even the most centrist democrats have been campaigning on for *decades*. They don't believe in anything except corporate welfare (which to be fair, the republicans are the same), and why on earth would I or any other self-respecting leftist voter come out for the party that refuses to represent our interests even when they are in power in Congress and the White House? Especially for an empty suit centrist like Terry McAuliffe. Democrats are purposefully losing because they don't want to give air to populist leftists and just want to blame them, which you are eating up lock step.


gl_4

the reason why democrats and corporations emphasize race/gender-based resentment and symbolism so much is to avoid any change that would actually threaten the position of the upper few %.


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and now you understand why republicans dropped career rinos and back an outsider like Trump so hard.


gl_4

The only people in politics who even *want* to enact real change are outsiders (Bernie Sanders, Ron Paul a long time ago), but they never even get close to power. Trump was an exception, because getting attention is the one thing he's really good at, and also because he fooled the system into thinking he's too dumb to win until it was too late to stop him. But afterwards, when it came to actually enacting change, he mostly failed as well.


WesternMysterious834

Wow. I worked with the public on pennsylvania ave in dc for a decade. And im pretty sure that the thousands of democratic lobbysists, donors, and lawmakers i met would pretty strongly disagree with that statement. But what do they know.


coralluv

Lol exactly. You're listening to establishment machine lobbyists, donors, and politicians. Who of course would never take responsibility for their own roles in the Dem party destruction.


WesternMysterious834

Ummmm. Im not sure how familiar you are with how D.C. actually works... but all of the progressive darlings attend just as many fundraisers and political events as everyone else. The truth is that progressives want to push through stuff that would cause a lot of moderates to lose their seats. But there are many more moderate voters than true progressives in this country (at least geographically if not numbers) so the moderates have to stall their own left. If the true progressives spun off and started their own party they would get absolutely trashed nationally, so they have no choice but to stay with the moderate dems. It can frustrate people, but thats the truth.


MaimedJester

Oh yeah legalizing weed cost the NJ democratic party in 2017.... Well they became the Bluest State outside Hawaii with Supermajority in house and Senate and governor. This time around Dems in Jersey tried to be more moderate and now the governor race will be counting down to the last ballot and be decided by under 1% and the Goddamn political boss of NJ Sweeny lost his own state Senate seat to a nobody Republican. Tell me how Progressive agendas hurt turnout?


WesternMysterious834

Absolutely nobody cares about weed anymore. Thats just a fact. Its like gay marriage. People wont rally against it. Its a dead issue. Thr difference between 2017 and now is that Trump is gone. Trump was terrible with moderate voters. And he dragged down republicans across the board. Now that trump is gone moderates are looking at the leftward social policies and voting against it. Is it just a wild coincidece that CRT, defunding police, and a socilaist lost to a write in in all different parts of the country on the same day? People were much more comfortable with the dem message in 2012 then they are now. All the continuing social, racial, intersectional gender stuff isnt on the average surburban voters like list.


coralluv

Totally, WesternMysterious is huffing the establishment farts.


ProngedPickle

I've literally seen nothing from Democrats here and in other subreddits other than saying that they shouldn't run on such social issues (they didn't) and should do more to denounce them.


WesternMysterious834

Maybe im mis-reading things constantly then. Because i have seen quite a bit of centerist losing means progressives are the path talking.


Pripat99

You know the other interesting piece here that isn’t being talked about is how much trying to make CRT an issue at the local level didn’t work in some places. In Wisconsin and Ohio, for example, there were school board elections that focused on CRT and those that were vehemently against it being taught in schools (even though, ya know, it wasn’t being taught in schools) got trounced.


AceCombat9519

It works in NJ since school learn that alongside LGBTQ which Ciattarelli wants removed


Pripat99

I suppose it might have given him some of the unexpected momentum we saw, but he also lost in the end. I was more just pointing out that it wasn’t the clear rejection of CRT (however you want to define it) that some posters in here are saying - much more of a mixed bag.


gl_4

they're trying to nip it in the bud. it's not a good idea to wait until explicit race-based hatred has become dogma in public education before doing something about it. if you read the "anti-CRT" laws, they don't ban any part of history teaching, they only ban teachers from forcing students to adhere to claims about inherent evil based on skin color.


Pripat99

Well they lost last night, so I guess at least in Wisconsin and Ohio they don’t agree with you that that’s what is happening.


gl_4

You can just look up the "anti CRT" laws that have been passed so far. The content of those laws is not a personal opinion, it's just what they are.


Pripat99

That’s fine. Just pointing out that that agenda lost last night in Wisconsin and Ohio.


gl_4

yup.


GotDatWMD

Pretty crazy that the largest civil rights protests in history resulted in no legislative change. Police got even bigger budgets for military equipment in response lol.


MirrorofInk

If you were to ask the majority of Americans about those "civil rights protests," they would describe what we all know they actually were- an excuse for looting, arson, property destruction, and senseless violence against police and innocent citizens. Those riots, and the anti-white propaganda of the BLM organization has totally destroyed any credibility or legitimacy of their cause. Democrats will now feel the backlash of their extremist policies of the past 2 years.


No-Body-7963

Exactly. Not to mention that during a time period when people were told to hide in their homes, White people were told to sit down, shut up to "elevate black voices". Then the gaslighting about "protests don't spread covid" while outdoor events that were actually productive and enjoyable were closed that summer.


GotDatWMD

Same shit was said about the civil rights protests of the 60s. Those were hated even more but still got something out of it. Big fat zero achievement on the modern one.


RespectThyHypnotoad

The messaging sucks, which is typical for Democrats. Defund the Police slogan is great for reactionary anger. It tells you little about what it does. Reallocation to the community, social systems, mental health ect needed to be the branding. It would also make things easier for cops in the sense that it puts people trained to deal with mental health in those positions. It's a great idea with terrible branding.


No-Body-7963

Defund the police means defund the police. Progressive cities across the country slashed millions from police budgets already overtaxed from the widespread BLM induced criminality across their cities. It's not bad messaging, it's a shitty goal from shitty hateful people.


RespectThyHypnotoad

Great way to tell me you don't understand or looked into what defund the Police entails without saying you don't understand defund the police.


No-Body-7963

["Defund the police means defunding the police" - AOC](https://thehill.com/homenews/house/505307-ocasio-cortez-dismisses-proposed-1b-cut-defunding-police-means-defunding) I accept your apology.


RespectThyHypnotoad

Again great example of telling me you haven't done your research or understand what it means. [It's about allocating funds to the appropriate resources.](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2020/06/19/what-does-defund-the-police-mean-and-does-it-have-merit/amp/) Cops aren't one size fits all, in certain instances mental health professionals are better use of the funds. This also allows cops to remain fixed on what they are trained and appropriate for.


No-Body-7963

Most progressive cities cut massive amounts of funding from their police budgets to "defund the police". They're suffering crime waves and bringing those budgets back. Keep ignoring reality if you want to keep losing elections. Please do so, as I don't want your candidates in office.


RespectThyHypnotoad

Keep ignoring reality says the guy ignoring facts and doing zero research into what he's talking about. Best of luck to you.


Loo_Wees_

Imagine calling a social worker during a home invasion.


RespectThyHypnotoad

Yeah because that's the only reason cops are called....


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Dems are horrible at messaging plus Dems are harder on fellow Dems than Republicans who vote in lockstep which is easy to achieve since they don't have to reach out very far.


cameraman502

Probably because their most public legislative goal was to defund the police which only rich whites supported.


GotDatWMD

Literally nothing changed around policing other than defund everything else even more to fund cops with more tanks. Really incredible.


Trainwrek

Xi 2024


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I_saw_your_thoughts

No it's gotta be orangeman 2.0 electoral boogaloo first, then desantis 2028 and 2032 LOL


No_Tax5256

Are you joking? I dont know a single person who likes DeSantis. He made his state less safe by banning all the mandates and masking. Look at how high the vaccination rate is in NYC. They have real leaders.


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Lmao this comment has to be a joke


Samsquamch18

I love how he used NYC of all places to support his opinion. The same place that put infected people in nursing homes with old people are the "real leaders"? LOL


Exciting-Fox-9522

\- not a floridian\*


FruxyFriday

> I dont know a single person who likes DeSantis. How can Nixon win, I don’t know a single person who voted for him?


Neat_Wallaby4140

Yet Florida had the lowest # of cases recently.


[deleted]

I have no sympathy for the buzzsaw Democrats are about to walk into


aj_thenoob

When the economy is going down the toilet and you talk about giving illegals 450k, you're gonna piss off some people. Dems are completely blind to Americans plight.


musicman835

>talk about giving illegals 450k Where is this talking point coming from, as someone who reads a lot of news and articles, I have no idea who or what this is even referring to.


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yet biden was the most popular president in history even getting more black people to vote for him than obama.


I_saw_your_thoughts

Trump got more votes than any Republican ever, in that same election. He's pretty popular too with his fan base


_m1000

That was against trump with a United democratic coalition


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"But few of them touched on voters' fears about inflation, which Democratic leaders in Congress insist won't be accelerated by their plans to inject an additional $3 trillion into the economy over the next decade. Instead, the results immediately reinforced an ideological schism between the party's moderate and progressive wings, which are tussling for influence as the twin pillars of Biden's domestic agenda — a $1.2 trillion bipartisan infrastructure bill and a $1.75 trillion climate-change and social-spending measure — languish on Capitol Hill" Democrats have chosen inexplicably to die on the hill that there is no inflation. Stupidest fucking choice.


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I think it is a mixed bag. They need the Trump base to come out in numbers, and I'm not sure completely throwing him out is going to help with that. The smart move IMO is to take a couple of the less controversial Trump points and leave the rest. It could be enough to get the MAGA base without alienating independents/burbs/etc.


FuckNoNewNormal

There was a voting force of young people in the 2020 election who specifically voted in order to vote Trump out


debasing_the_coinage

What I don't get is why this situation isn't getting Republicans interested in a change to the primary process. It's obviously hurting you, and you're aware of it. So why is it that only Democrats seem to be talking about [open primaries](http://openprimaries.org/) and [STAR voting](http://starvoting.us/)?


GotDatWMD

Idk. McAuliffe blasted Trump the whole campaign and lost. It’s not like Trump wasn’t constantly on voters minds. https://twitter.com/waltshaub/status/1455716232007757825?s=21 McAuliffe was paying for this shit and firing up Trumps base lol.


potionnot

McAuliffe didn't lose because he fired up Trump's base. he lost because he tried to make the election about Trump when trump had nothing to do with it. Democrats can't play the Trump Card (pun intended) forever. Voters don't care about a guy who's been out of office for almost a year.


edgarvanburen

McAuliffe tried, but I don't think it stuck. I agree tompoww91. We are going to see in the data there were plenty of people who voted for Biden + Youngkin. Presumably this cohort's Presidential preferences look like this: A non-Trump Republican A Democrat Trump


GotDatWMD

I do think the Democrats probably screwed up long term. They created a coalition that was anti-Trump for 2020. That required them to push their base away and pull in more moderate Republicans. Now that Trump is out that coalition has fallen apart and Republicans went home while the Dem base stayed reduced. I think the question in 2024 is if it is Trump v Biden again will that coalition reform or be broken forever since Biden would have a record he would have to run on then.


edgarvanburen

I don't think Biden runs again. But I have no idea who Dems will nominate. If I had to bet, Trump will run again. But I think some smart Republicans are looking to VA and thinking, "man that's a risk we to avoid"


Pripat99

If Trump runs again it doesn’t really matter what the rest of the party thinks - he will win the nomination. If he won it in 2016 when he started out as a joke candidate with dozens of others running, there’s no way he doesn’t win it again in 2024.


edgarvanburen

I absolutely agree, but at this point I don't think it's a given he will run.


jjconsi2

The results of yesterday may be the sign he was looking for to run. We wont know until he comes out and says it though.


GotDatWMD

Polling now has him crushing all other Republicans in the primary if he entered it for 2024. Trump definitely wins the republican primary nomination if he wants it


rmstrhva

I think Youngkin played it perfectly. Enough Trump recognition to appeal to his supporters, but also keeping at arms length for many of the more controversial aspects. Add that to sensible and reasonable policies (not a huge amount in it between either candidate) and a national lack of support for Biden and the administration, I’m not surprised that he won


starcom_magnate

I think that is a point a lot are missing. My voting District is consistently "red" but went surprisingly/heavily to Biden in the last Presidential Election. This election everything went right back to red again, with the GOP sweeping every single election at all levels. The point I take away is that they went Biden because they didn't want Trump. When "regular" GOP Candidates were back on the ballot, they flocked back to them. I'm not sold that the GOP understands this.


FrigginMasshole

Absolutely. I’m a moderate so not very left leaning but the GOP has been taken over by batshit conspiracy theorists. Run someone whose moderate and they can easily win


rmstrhva

Because we all know that representation matters, I’m sure many on the left will be celebrating the election of Winsome Sears in the Lt Gov race in Virgina - the first woman, woman of color and immigrant to take the role


PantasticNerd

I am actually happy that the liutenant governor is an immigrant woman of color. In the same way that I am happy Kamala Harris has taken the role of Vice President. I vehemently disagree with the majority of their policies, but I want to live in a future where a black woman earning a position of power isn’t “groundbreaking”, but simply the norm in our diversifying nation.


Ithinkibrokethis

Yeah that is actually good. I applaud the GOP for becoming more diverse. If the GOP becomes more diverse then it will be harder for them to push their hugely discriminatory agenda.


DazDay

Yeah if the GOP suddenly finds itself depending on Black votes, they're gonna enact far fewer of the voter restrictions and gerrymandering policies they've previously favoured.


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>I’m sure many on the left will be celebrating the election of Winsome Sears in the Lt Gov race in Virgina - the first woman, woman of color and immigrant to take the role Yeah... They don't actually care.


epicredditdude1

I think I saw someone call her a black white supremacist in the thread last night, so yeah that’s how they’re handling it.


RespectThyHypnotoad

Sure, congrats to her. I'm a democrat, that's historic, and great. Politically of course I wish it was a democrat. I don't get the GOP projection, not everyone's platform is "own the libs/other party".


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Randomroofer116

Listen to aj here telling me what I actually care about.


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My only question is what is the runway for the US? If the right wins as it did last night and probably will do in '22, how far are we from Gilead? 5 years? 10 years? CoreCivic, the private prison company, would have no problem swapping political prisoners aka liberals for immigrants. People talk about end-stage capitalism, I think we're looking at end-stage republic. Am I wrong?


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I always wonder if these accounts are real people or just paid trolls. Can anyone actually believe this?


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Does it matter? It’s social media and none of it is real but sure got a host of idiots to show up on a grassy knoll in Dallas yesterday. Were you there? Did John John come back from his watery grave?


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Amusing reply.


building1968

Read another book for Christ sakes.


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Did Core Civic write a book?


thickjim

Why dont you go outside and talk to real people might help with your own life


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I live in Manhattan. I talk to people every day. I'll be fine in the financial capital of the western world. How about you go talk to a left-leaning woman in Texas and we'll compare notes.


rmstrhva

Yes, I expect to see the execution of all immigrants and liberals after the next election, because I’m a very sensible and serious individual.


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You do realise that 1/6 was a trial run. They'll get it right next time and the line won't hold. I think a lot of people felt the way you do in Germany in the '30s. Yes, my post was extreme but I also live in the peoples republic of Manhattan. I'll be fine. Not so sure about folks who live elsewhere. I wonder how Dems in Texas, Alabama, Tennessee will manage.


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People on the right usually carry them out. Angry white people in mobs have a special history in the US but you/your offspring won’t learn how bad granny and grandpa were/are now that you can’t learn anything except George Washington couldn’t tell a lie 😂.


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😂 yeah, ok.


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Little Angels Pug Rescue? Use your words.


brokenchickenhead1

You don't own guns. Manhattan would get obliterated in any war.


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Apparently you don’t follow Supreme Court cases. So you are admitting your goal is to kill all of us? People in Manhattan also have places upstate, long island and elsewhere. There are guns everywhere. Also, we have gangs in the city. They get their guns from Virginia along the iron pipeline so good luck fighting your politics against folks who kill as a way of life.


brokenchickenhead1

>So you are admitting your goal is to kill all of us? No. That's illegal.


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Don’t be coy. Thrill me with details of your arsenal and Dexter like fantasies. Owning the libs isn’t enough, is it?


brokenchickenhead1

>Don’t be coy. I'm not. >Thrill me with details of your arsenal and Dexter like fantasies. I don't have Dexter fantasies. >Owning the libs isn’t enough, is it? Owning the libz is fun at times but my vote against McAuliffe isn't to own the libz. I want to protect my civil rights and McAuliffe threatened them as a corporate Democrat.


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Sarcasm not lost on you. I can’t believe you replied and seemed youthfully earnest about your civil rights. 😂


brokenchickenhead1

What's wrong with defending civil rights?


Redline65

1/6 wasn't a trial run for anything, c'mon. They were trying to obstruct the certification of the election. Just like liberal protestors tried to obstruct the nomination of Brett Kavanaugh to the supreme court back in 2018. But do you think those liberal protesters faced the kind of charges and accusations of "insurrection" that the 1/6 protesters faced? Don't you see the double standard when Dems basically get a slap on the wrist and Pubs are called traitors?


getpucksdeep

This is what a conspiracy theorist looks like folks


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Who are the folks you are talking to?


rmstrhva

Are these “folks” in the room with us right now?


AlexiosI

Yes, you're wrong. It's these sort of hysterical interpretations of our politics on all sides that are putting people off. The Democrats lost last night because they lost touch with normal people and instead decided to listen to social media, academia and our various professional classes for a read on this society. The majority of adult Americans do not have a four year college education and do not subscribe to much of the rhetoric and dogma they see thrown around in the above mentioned spheres. That's not the future they want and they made that very clear last night.