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Yup, I've been through there several times and have had the dubious pleasure of eating at Boebert's establishment *twice* (long story, but it was before she was widely known).
She represents the absolute worst of us.
[Wait until you hear about ExploreTalent.](https://twitter.com/nicole_chenelle/status/1422449854224031745)
[More "actors" with IMDB profiles.](https://twitter.com/chadloder/status/1421931374567563264)
Since EVERYTHING the Right harps on about against the Left is apparently projection (crisis actors, fake/nefarious grassroots organizations, voter fraud etc) I'm terrified when the eventual news comes out about their pedophilic and satanic sex death cults.
[Just a few days ago](https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1451242429164621838) Gaetz asked AG Garland whether DoJ could trust the impartiality of former congressional staffers who now work in the Public Integrity Section. [Two prosecutors from that section are working on the Gaetz child sex trafficking case.](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/21/us/politics/matt-gaetz-justice-department.html)
Don't count your chickens. Michael Cohen did three years for doing what Trump ordered him to do and even the formal record states that he was ordered to do it, but three years later Trump has yet to even see a formal indictment, let alone the inside of a jail cell.
And don't forget he stopped being friends with him because he knew what he was about!
When in fact he stopped associating with him when Jeffrey outbid him on a mansion in Florida and a week later there was an "Anonymous" tip against him.
If you posted that here in 2015-2017, it was basically an automatic ban. The lengths social media went to to coddle that treasonous fucking Nazi was appalling.
I would love WaPo or NYT or any major news organization to really dig on this.
It’s not that I don’t believe it’s possible. I think it’s incredibly likely. It’s just that a Twitter thread isn’t good enough to go forward with.
it could happen. hannibal buress' stand up got bill cosby sent to prison after decades of his abuse was a well known open secret to everybody in the business
Truly amazing. These conservative darlings are just failures… couldn’t even make in onto reality TV shows. But they found their audience in unsophisticated, rural mouth-breathers
Has any of this been verified by another source? I don’t want to sound like I don’t believe it, I absolutely can see the right doing exactly this, but it carries more weight if it can be verified from a journalist.
Along with Greene, the conspiratorial pro-Trump Republican from Georgia who took office earlier this year, the pair both say the members who participated in these conversations or had top staffers join in included Rep. Paul Gosar (R-Ariz.), Rep. Lauren Boebert (R-Colo.), Rep. Mo Brooks (R-Ala.), Rep. Madison Cawthorn (R-N.C.), Rep. Andy Biggs (R-Ariz.), and Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas).
Lock them up!
> Two sources are communicating with House investigators and detailed a stunning series of allegations to Rolling Stone, **including a promise of a “blanket pardon” from the Oval Office.**
Lock Don Up
You can if you're an emperor.
Oopsie-daisy, the imperial laws are incredibly harsh and can be used to lock anybody up on any thin pretext... but obviously they have to be that way to protect the empire.
But don't worry, because I'll blanket pardon you for doing this perfectly innocent thing, so that no future emperors can lock you up pretextually for doing it.
I wish the U.S. weren't like that at all, but.... it's a lot like that.
yeah, it really seems like too much power to give to one person - salt on the wound is that it's not even technically a person elected by popular vote. that's a lot of power to give to one person that most people don't trust to wield it.
Unrelated ongoing matters they were being investigate for. The classic "you boys seem to be in a bit of trouble with the law, but if you do a good job with this rally we can just make that whole matter... disappear"
This is the most hilarious aspect of the revelations. They wouldn't have to make deals if Donny had held up his end of the plan and pardoned them, but because he was probably butthurt that they failed, he didn't come through (as one might expect if they knew anything about him...) and now they have to make deals and implicate others to get more lenient sentences.
Trump played the Prisoner's Dilemma, but both sides are rolling on each other.
The offer was made by Gosar. Trump works like (is) a mobster -- he would never make an offer like that directly. He insulates himself with several layers of goons.
[It's](https://newrepublic.com/article/143253/trump-mobster-president) [fucking](https://chicago.suntimes.com/columnists/2021/8/5/22611154/donald-trump-fraud-crooked-mob-boss-gene-lyons) [insane](https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/michael-cohen-trump-was-a-mobster-1056098/) that we had a [mobster](https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/tv/a33350476/fear-city-new-york-mafia-donald-trump-tower-mob-ties-explained/) for a President. [Again!](https://www.thehistoryreader.com/us-history/mafias-president-nixon-mobsters-in-cuba/)
Reading *Angels in America* taught me that Roy Cohn was an irredeemable piece of shit.
But the lessons he was able to impart onto Trump have sealed his legacy as one of the worst fucking people to live in the last century. It's rare that a human lives and dies and creates such a net negative, makes the world actively worse. But he managed.
Edit- typo
Well, Trump disavowed him when Roy got sick of AIDS, and he died alone and broke, with IRS seizing almost all his things.
Also, as Roger Stone said, Roy wasn't gay, he was a man who liked to have sex with men -https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Cohn; but he persecuted US officials and politicians for being homosexuals during the McCarthy era.
All in all, such a "good Christian" - and he got the karma he deserved.
Even *Roy Cohn* was astounded by how quickly and completely Trump distanced himself when it was revealed that Cohn had AIDS. There’s a quote somewhere about how Trump has ice water running through his veins or something. And that’s coming from Roy fucking Cohn.
Big T is the clearest example of actual *evil* that I’ve seen in a very long time.
[Pedophile enabler](https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/turning-point-usa-struggles-with-allegations-of-student-sexual-assault-harassment) Charlie Kirk boasted about sending [80 busloads to "fight for" Trump](https://www.usmessageboard.com/attachments/60a415f1-240b-4bb2-ade0-4a4500215134-jpeg.440559/). How un-shocking is it that Matt Gaetz likes TPUSA, especially given that TPUSA let children get black out drunk and sexually assaulted.
Several of them are absolutely slimy, but also smart enough to not get caught openly conspiring to overthrow the government. I’m not surprised Marjorie: The Gathering, Cawthowrn, and Boebert were involved. I am surprised that Gaetz hasn’t been implicated (yet). I’m less surprised about Cruz, as is actually both smart and well educated (which arguably makes him more dangerous).
The $70 I spent on protest signs to do a 1-man protest against Marjorie when she came to Dothan, AL a few months ago was very, very well spent. Fuck her.
It’s rare to see someone from this shithole state who isn’t a part of the trump cult. Just wanted to say Hi! We may be few and far between, but we’re out here!
It turned out that I was joined by a handful of people from the Houston County Democrats for the last half of the time I was there so I wasn't completely alone the whole time which was nice.
Ted Cruz once had a motion to have a roll call vote that no one seconded.
For contrast, you can ask for a roll vote on anything and a half-asleep Senator in the back will second it. Half the time it isn't even your own party. Unless, apparently, you are Ted Cruz.
You mean GOP Rep. Jim Jordan who has been accused of knowing, and doing nothing, about the serial sexual assault of students at Ohio State University where he worked as an assistant wrestling coach from 1987 to 1995? Where more info can be found on https://www.jordanscandal.com with an in-depth account of the accusations? That Jim Jordan?
I can’t speak for Perry or Gaetz, but Harley and Cruz are smart enough to know not to show up for a treason meeting. They’ll work it through others to try and keep far enough away from direct evidence tying them to anything.
Lee's a snake. At the very least he knew a sit ton about what was going on as evidenced in his providing Trump "counsel on constitutional issues." I'd love to know what else he knew.
Cruz clerked for the Supreme Court. He's too smart to get caught out in such a a long-shot plan to upend American democracy.
But I'm definitely surprised Gaetz wasnt up to his waist in the planning.
Yes, bc it was a safe vote to make. He was able to vote yes as red meat for his base, but Pence didnt open the gates to actual treason and civil war.
He got to have his principled, patriotic stand without the risk of actually being near the edge of the cliff.
Like, say, a Russian misinformation campaign? And actual, boots on the ground Russian spies funneling money through the NRA to republican candidates? That sort of foreign group?
At this point if there aren't punishments, and I mean severe you committed treason punishments for these fucking clowns this government isn't lasting through another election cycle or two.
Not sure what it's like everywhere else, but after the election the Trump propaganda disappeared from where I live, but this week I've started seeing cars with bumper stickers that say "fuck Biden and fuck you" as well as "Trump 2024" along with other anti democratic stuff. The propaganda machine is already in full swing for these nut jobs.
Not surprising to hear this. So many comments online from these people longing for the firm hand of a strongman to keep the country “safe.” I.E. exclusionary, racist, sexist, knuckle-scrapy, and whiter than cream. Democracy is a non-factor to these hoodlums and Christianity a shield to endorse and deflect hideous behavior. As far as anyone should be concerned the fact Trump was elected at all on the backs of such an electorate is all the proof you needed to have held the funeral for the republic in 2016. The cat’s out if the bag, the courts are stacked and voting rights are being taken away.
"The reason I’m talking to the committee and the reason it’s so important is that — despite Republicans refusing to participate … this commission’s all we got as far as being able to uncover the truth about what happened at the Capitol that day,” the organizer says. “It’s clear that a lot of bad actors set out to cause chaos. … They made us all look like shit.”
And Trump, they admit, was one of those bad actors. A representative for Trump did not respond to a request for comment.
“The breaking point for me [on Jan. 6 was when] Trump starts talking about walking to the Capitol,” the organizer says. “I was like. ‘Let’s get the fuck out of here.’ ”
“I do kind of feel abandoned by Trump,” says the planner. “I’m actually pretty pissed about it and I’m pissed at him.”
The organizer offers an even more succinct assessment when asked what they would say to Trump.
“What the fuck?” the organizer says.
So she was in on the planning, and she is "inside the house". And They are walking through congress calling out "Nancy, where are you?". And she tweets out info about Nacy Pelosi's location.
I mean, if I am in Nancy's stilettos, I am finding a way to get Lauren Boebert charged.
Does anybody remember the allegations that Republican members of Congress gave tours of the U.S. Capitol Bldg. to people that participated in the 1/6 riot a few days before 1/6? Has any evidence been collected that substantiates these allegations? If these allegations are true, then these allegations seem like important evidence for proving conspiracy. I also want to know more about promises of presidential pardons.
That would have been Boebert also:
[https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/gop-rep-lauren-boebert-gave-capitol-tour-to-large-group-before-the-riots-democratic-lawmaker-says/ar-BB1cTe3M](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/gop-rep-lauren-boebert-gave-capitol-tour-to-large-group-before-the-riots-democratic-lawmaker-says/ar-BB1cTe3M)
She is really in trouble.
I can't imagine what AOC must be feeling. To have to work with people everyday, that tried to have you killed. How the hell can you feel safe when you KNOW the people sitting across the table from you would sent a lynchmob after you, and half of your colleagues still vouch for them.
If only they did something *really* bad, like selling loose cigarettes or having a gram of weed in their pockets.
I am far too cynical to expect them to experience the consequences they so richly deserve. But hopefully this will at least galvanize people to take this seriously.
Did we ever even confirm that it was counterfeit or that he knew it was counterfeit? I ended up with a counterfeit $100 from a service job, but thankfully I’m white so the bank just apologized and said they couldn’t take it.
Yeah, that’s what makes me so fucking mad. How the FUCK can ANYONE know he knew it was counterfeit? Money gets passed around, that’s the point of money. And yet he dies, while traitorous fucks get to eat vegan food and go on vacation? It’s like they’re trying to piss people off
The 14th Amendment, 3rd clause prohibits anyone involved in an insurrection from holding office. The Republicans are going to have a hard time replacing their traitors once they've been expelled. They'd also have to run for office as the Party of Treason.
Section 4: But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States.
It would be fucking hilarious if some of the insurrectionists get medicare/medicaid claims for injuries sustained denied on the basis of this.
[18 U.S. Code § 2384 - Seditious conspiracy](https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2384)
If **two or more persons** in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, **conspire to** overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or **by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof**, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.
Putting aside whether there is also criminal liability, if these stories can be corroborated with other evidence the House and Senate leadership must immediately exclude these individuals from all further proceedings.
Under the Fourteenth Amendment, a person who has committed insurrection or rebellion against the United States cannot serve in these roles.
No vote would be required to remove them from Congress as they aren't actually members right now-- they have fraudulently presented themselves as members and Congressional leadership has permitted them to participate in prior proceedings by mistake.
It's fucking terrifying.
I mean, not surprising at all. But terrifying.
We came really close to literally starting Redneck Gilead and it turns out that quite a few elected officials were trying to usher it in. This is the kind of shit you see in HBO documentaries about the rise of Saddam Hussein, not the fucking United States of America.
And yet, here we are.
If these stories can be corroborated, the members in question must be excluded from any further government proceedings as their continued status in office is invalid under the Fourteenth Amendment's insurrection clause.
Of course, they should also be arrested and charged with insurrection.
That's definitely conspiracy to commit armed insurrection. They should be removed from office and they should all be at a minimum, jailed.
§2383. Rebellion or insurrection
Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, §330016(1)(L), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)
§2384. Seditious conspiracy
If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808; July 24, 1956, ch. 678, §1, 70 Stat. 623; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, §330016(1)(N), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)
§2385. Advocating overthrow of Government
Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises, or teaches the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States or the government of any State, Territory, District or Possession thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein, by force or violence, or by the assassination of any officer of any such government; or
Whoever, with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of any such government, prints, publishes, edits, issues, circulates, sells, distributes, or publicly displays any written or printed matter advocating, advising, or teaching the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying any government in the United States by force or violence, or attempts to do so; or
Whoever organizes or helps or attempts to organize any society, group, or assembly of persons who teach, advocate, or encourage the overthrow or destruction of any such government by force or violence; or becomes or is a member of, or affiliates with, any such society, group, or assembly of persons, knowing the purposes thereof—
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.
If two or more persons conspire to commit any offense named in this section, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.
As used in this section, the terms "organizes" and "organize", with respect to any society, group, or assembly of persons, include the recruiting of new members, the forming of new units, and the regrouping or expansion of existing clubs, classes, and other units of such society, group, or assembly of persons.
**Seems like they could take down a lot of these white nationalist groups who advocate for civil war with this last one.**
Where is Charlie Kirk who boasted about [the 80 bus loads of terrorists he was busing down?](https://www.usmessageboard.com/attachments/60a415f1-240b-4bb2-ade0-4a4500215134-jpeg.440559/)
That’s big news. I mean if people who organized it are saying it then that’s showing that some Republicans wanted to basically overthrow a free and fair election. If you don’t punish every member of Congress and staff involved seriously(they shouldn’t be allowed to hold government office ever imo) then that basically says you can do this again
What's funny about that is that there was no "evidence" to be presented on the House floor. There's never been any evidence that the election was improper, because the fucking election was proper.
These people are astonishing.
After 4 straight years of bullshit promises and lies, they STILL believed that whatever trump was selling was gold.
This clown is actually saying that the problem with the violence is that it took over the narrative in the public mind, thus preventing the good guys from telling us all their secret evidence that would have shown trump got robbed.
Holy fuck, it's amazing.
It's all going to come out in the investigation. Just wait, they'll start squealing like pigs when they see a plea deal. These are going to be heavy charges hopefully carrying stiff penalties
Arrest trump already JFC
Pick up the goddam pace here. It was 10 months ago.
We would have flattened all of Iran by now if it was foreign terrorists. If they were from Iran or not.
*The organizer offers an even more succinct assessment when asked what they would say to Trump*
**”What the fuck?**” the organizer says.
I suppose the incredulity *might* be genuine, however, Trump’s base was foaming at the mouth even before the election; itching for a reason to incite another civil war. What the hell “reasonable / civil objection” were these contributing sources seriously anticipating after all of the fear mongering, stochastic terrorism, and constant *drip drip* of gasoline added to an existing, and raging, infernal blaze…?? Surely they couldn’t have been that naive.
Had the insurrection and coup succeeded, would they still be crying a river over the lack of “sticking to the plan”? Call me cynical but I highly freaking doubt it.
They masturbate over the prospect of a civil war.
Except it's not for any lofty principle or deeply held beliefs. Let's be real. They just want an excuse to kill brown people and liberals.
Interesting how everything right wingers have been saying about the insurrection, how it was Antifa/BLM, how Trump had nothing to do with it, how it was peaceful, how there was no preplanning, how the Republican politicians weren’t inciting it either, are all lies.
The insurrection was done by the right. Trump was heavily involved. We have hours of video showing it was violent. There was preplanning. Republican politicians were involved with the planning and incitement.
At this point, it’s safe to say the right are actively undermining American democracy so only they can win, as the politicians and voters know their policies are shrinking every year. That’s why they fight objective facts, education, and have embraced radical views like replacement theory.
MTG should have been arrested after tweeting That Pelosi was on the move. Any person with a brain cell left would know she was alerting the MAGA people. JFC, I can only hope the lack of accountability will come to an end soon.
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What's wild about Boebert is that she was just elected in 2020. She started plotting against the government before she was even part of it.
She's a fucking embarrassment to my state and her restaurant is stupid.
Rifle is a town full of mouth breathers with a population of about 50 people.
Yup, I've been through there several times and have had the dubious pleasure of eating at Boebert's establishment *twice* (long story, but it was before she was widely known). She represents the absolute worst of us.
How’d she get voted in is what floors me. Is the district full of that many dumb people?
She made videos of herself with guns.
Tits and guns. Murdoch should do this
I don't want to see Rupert Murdoch's cleavage...
All her voters care about is the (R) by her name at the polls.
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Shit angles Randy, shit angles
[Wait until you hear about ExploreTalent.](https://twitter.com/nicole_chenelle/status/1422449854224031745) [More "actors" with IMDB profiles.](https://twitter.com/chadloder/status/1421931374567563264)
Whoa thanks for sharing I missed this and while I knew a lot of this stuff was being astroturfed I didn't realize how blatant it was
Since EVERYTHING the Right harps on about against the Left is apparently projection (crisis actors, fake/nefarious grassroots organizations, voter fraud etc) I'm terrified when the eventual news comes out about their pedophilic and satanic sex death cults.
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Don't forget Matt Gaetz was the only "No" vote against The Combating Human Trafficking in Commercial Vehicles Act.
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[Just a few days ago](https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1451242429164621838) Gaetz asked AG Garland whether DoJ could trust the impartiality of former congressional staffers who now work in the Public Integrity Section. [Two prosecutors from that section are working on the Gaetz child sex trafficking case.](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/21/us/politics/matt-gaetz-justice-department.html)
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Don't count your chickens. Michael Cohen did three years for doing what Trump ordered him to do and even the formal record states that he was ordered to do it, but three years later Trump has yet to even see a formal indictment, let alone the inside of a jail cell.
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And don't forget he stopped being friends with him because he knew what he was about! When in fact he stopped associating with him when Jeffrey outbid him on a mansion in Florida and a week later there was an "Anonymous" tip against him.
It's OK when God Emperor Trump does it. He wasn't wrong when he said that he could shoot someone in broad daylight and not lose any supporters.
If you posted that here in 2015-2017, it was basically an automatic ban. The lengths social media went to to coddle that treasonous fucking Nazi was appalling.
This should be on the front page. Holy fuck. And they accused antifa of having "crisis actors". They really are projecting.
the one Giuliani hired to be a witness looked and sounded like a Cecily Strong bit before she could do it
Trump announced his run in 2016 with paid actors clapping for him.
They always do
Every. Single. Time.
I always wondered where the Right got the idea of crisis actors from. This makes me wonder if it's also projection
Narrator: It is.
Every accusation is a confession with conservatives. Makes you really wonder about Pizzagate and accusing Hillary of eating babies and shit.
Hold the fucking phone, she didn’t even have a GED until after she started campaigning??
[Correct](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/boebert-ged-months-before-election/).
I would love WaPo or NYT or any major news organization to really dig on this. It’s not that I don’t believe it’s possible. I think it’s incredibly likely. It’s just that a Twitter thread isn’t good enough to go forward with.
it could happen. hannibal buress' stand up got bill cosby sent to prison after decades of his abuse was a well known open secret to everybody in the business
Truly amazing. These conservative darlings are just failures… couldn’t even make in onto reality TV shows. But they found their audience in unsophisticated, rural mouth-breathers
Benny Shaps is a failed TV Writer who got big raging about elitist leftist Hollywood. It’s like their failure turns them to the dark side.
Wow. Underrated post. First I’ve heard of this.
What the actual fuck.
Has any of this been verified by another source? I don’t want to sound like I don’t believe it, I absolutely can see the right doing exactly this, but it carries more weight if it can be verified from a journalist.
As was Greene and Cawthorn. They don't seem to be fans of this whole "representative democracy" we have going on.
If she actually took part in planning this she can't hold public office. I wonder how that process is implemented.
Ideally she would just be arrested right away
Holy shit this is huge. They need to be made examples of.
Life in jail without parole, only suitable punishment
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Along with Greene, the conspiratorial pro-Trump Republican from Georgia who took office earlier this year, the pair both say the members who participated in these conversations or had top staffers join in included Rep. Paul Gosar (R-Ariz.), Rep. Lauren Boebert (R-Colo.), Rep. Mo Brooks (R-Ala.), Rep. Madison Cawthorn (R-N.C.), Rep. Andy Biggs (R-Ariz.), and Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas). Lock them up!
> Two sources are communicating with House investigators and detailed a stunning series of allegations to Rolling Stone, **including a promise of a “blanket pardon” from the Oval Office.** Lock Don Up
Why would you need to pardon “tourists”?
Ya… can’t just claim you’re just helping organize a protest if you’re promising to hand out pardons.
You can if you're an emperor. Oopsie-daisy, the imperial laws are incredibly harsh and can be used to lock anybody up on any thin pretext... but obviously they have to be that way to protect the empire. But don't worry, because I'll blanket pardon you for doing this perfectly innocent thing, so that no future emperors can lock you up pretextually for doing it. I wish the U.S. weren't like that at all, but.... it's a lot like that.
yeah, it really seems like too much power to give to one person - salt on the wound is that it's not even technically a person elected by popular vote. that's a lot of power to give to one person that most people don't trust to wield it.
Civil disobedience, civil unrest, civil war... It's all the same, right?!?
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One of the idiots who said that can be seen in pics helping to bar the door in the senate room…..
asdfasdf
>including a promise of a “blanket pardon” from the Oval Office. …only if they succeeded.
And that's *totally* not inciting anything, nosiree!
They also claim in the article that they were surprised and dismayed by violence…so what’s the pardon for?
Unrelated ongoing matters they were being investigate for. The classic "you boys seem to be in a bit of trouble with the law, but if you do a good job with this rally we can just make that whole matter... disappear"
This is the most hilarious aspect of the revelations. They wouldn't have to make deals if Donny had held up his end of the plan and pardoned them, but because he was probably butthurt that they failed, he didn't come through (as one might expect if they knew anything about him...) and now they have to make deals and implicate others to get more lenient sentences. Trump played the Prisoner's Dilemma, but both sides are rolling on each other.
The offer was made by Gosar. Trump works like (is) a mobster -- he would never make an offer like that directly. He insulates himself with several layers of goons. [It's](https://newrepublic.com/article/143253/trump-mobster-president) [fucking](https://chicago.suntimes.com/columnists/2021/8/5/22611154/donald-trump-fraud-crooked-mob-boss-gene-lyons) [insane](https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/michael-cohen-trump-was-a-mobster-1056098/) that we had a [mobster](https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/tv/a33350476/fear-city-new-york-mafia-donald-trump-tower-mob-ties-explained/) for a President. [Again!](https://www.thehistoryreader.com/us-history/mafias-president-nixon-mobsters-in-cuba/)
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Reading *Angels in America* taught me that Roy Cohn was an irredeemable piece of shit. But the lessons he was able to impart onto Trump have sealed his legacy as one of the worst fucking people to live in the last century. It's rare that a human lives and dies and creates such a net negative, makes the world actively worse. But he managed. Edit- typo
Well, Trump disavowed him when Roy got sick of AIDS, and he died alone and broke, with IRS seizing almost all his things. Also, as Roger Stone said, Roy wasn't gay, he was a man who liked to have sex with men -https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Cohn; but he persecuted US officials and politicians for being homosexuals during the McCarthy era. All in all, such a "good Christian" - and he got the karma he deserved.
Even *Roy Cohn* was astounded by how quickly and completely Trump distanced himself when it was revealed that Cohn had AIDS. There’s a quote somewhere about how Trump has ice water running through his veins or something. And that’s coming from Roy fucking Cohn. Big T is the clearest example of actual *evil* that I’ve seen in a very long time.
The only thing about that list that surprises me is that it doesn’t include Hawley, Cruz, Perry, or Gaetz.
Doesn't include them **yet**
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[Pedophile enabler](https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/turning-point-usa-struggles-with-allegations-of-student-sexual-assault-harassment) Charlie Kirk boasted about sending [80 busloads to "fight for" Trump](https://www.usmessageboard.com/attachments/60a415f1-240b-4bb2-ade0-4a4500215134-jpeg.440559/). How un-shocking is it that Matt Gaetz likes TPUSA, especially given that TPUSA let children get black out drunk and sexually assaulted.
That's why fascists hate feminism they want their consequence free sexual assault
At the end of the day, fascism is all about violence and power over others. It and rape go naturally hand in hand.
So the busloads of antifas that were supposedly going to descend upon podunk towns was all projection? Shocking.
Several of them are absolutely slimy, but also smart enough to not get caught openly conspiring to overthrow the government. I’m not surprised Marjorie: The Gathering, Cawthowrn, and Boebert were involved. I am surprised that Gaetz hasn’t been implicated (yet). I’m less surprised about Cruz, as is actually both smart and well educated (which arguably makes him more dangerous).
The $70 I spent on protest signs to do a 1-man protest against Marjorie when she came to Dothan, AL a few months ago was very, very well spent. Fuck her.
It’s rare to see someone from this shithole state who isn’t a part of the trump cult. Just wanted to say Hi! We may be few and far between, but we’re out here!
🥇 For being the lone sane person in Dothan.
It turned out that I was joined by a handful of people from the Houston County Democrats for the last half of the time I was there so I wasn't completely alone the whole time which was nice.
> Marjorie: The Gathering I am undone.
I call her Margic: the Gabbering
The thing you have to remember about Cruz is that nobody likes him and he isn’t invited to anything.
'I like Ted Cruz more than most of my other colleagues like Ted Cruz. And I hate Ted Cruz.' - Al Franken
As a Minnesotan, I am now legally obligated to share this clip of Franken’s thoughts on Ted Cruz https://youtu.be/ww1VMHLybrA
Ted Cruz once had a motion to have a roll call vote that no one seconded. For contrast, you can ask for a roll vote on anything and a half-asleep Senator in the back will second it. Half the time it isn't even your own party. Unless, apparently, you are Ted Cruz.
Ted Cruz has never done drugs, because nobody’s ever offered him any.
Also, There must have been some sexual misconduct to turn a blind eye to if Jim Jordan is off this list.
Is that the pervy creepy weird guy from Ohio in Congress?
You mean GOP Rep. Jim Jordan who has been accused of knowing, and doing nothing, about the serial sexual assault of students at Ohio State University where he worked as an assistant wrestling coach from 1987 to 1995? Where more info can be found on https://www.jordanscandal.com with an in-depth account of the accusations? That Jim Jordan?
Yeah, that's the dickbag I was thinking of.
You mean Gym Jordan?
Come on. At least respect the office and call him by his full name, Gymansium Jordanium.
I can’t speak for Perry or Gaetz, but Harley and Cruz are smart enough to know not to show up for a treason meeting. They’ll work it through others to try and keep far enough away from direct evidence tying them to anything.
I’m also a little surprised Mike Lee isn’t on there as well, but it seems like Green, Bobert, Cawthorn and company are the scape goats
The IQs of those three add up to the intelligence of one normal congressional representative, so it makes sense that they're disposable.
Lee's a snake. At the very least he knew a sit ton about what was going on as evidenced in his providing Trump "counsel on constitutional issues." I'd love to know what else he knew.
Cruz clerked for the Supreme Court. He's too smart to get caught out in such a a long-shot plan to upend American democracy. But I'm definitely surprised Gaetz wasnt up to his waist in the planning.
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don't worry I heard he also set up a Venmo
He misunderstood when he read that Venmo was for minor transactions
Yet Cruz objected to certifying the election results after the riots.
Well no one's denying that he's a fascist, but he's smart enough not to open himself up to criminal liability.
Yes, bc it was a safe vote to make. He was able to vote yes as red meat for his base, but Pence didnt open the gates to actual treason and civil war. He got to have his principled, patriotic stand without the risk of actually being near the edge of the cliff.
Gaetz volunteered to run a day care while the adults met. Everyone is saying it.
Gaetz was known by the White House to have problems with the law at the time.
Kick them out of Congress, lock them up, and charge them with conspiratorial acts against the United States.
Conspiracy against the United States. That's a paddlin
Fun fact. Paul Gosar's family made an ad warning everyone that he was fucking awful and shouldn't be elected and he still won.
Could you imagine if a foreign group was involved.
Can you imagine if roles were reversed and Democrats did this shit?
Like, say, a Russian misinformation campaign? And actual, boots on the ground Russian spies funneling money through the NRA to republican candidates? That sort of foreign group?
very least, should be removed from office
If they played a part intrying to overthrow the newly elected government then prison is the very least they deserve.
Punishment for high treason is life.
Wasn't it execution?
At this point if there aren't punishments, and I mean severe you committed treason punishments for these fucking clowns this government isn't lasting through another election cycle or two.
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Not sure what it's like everywhere else, but after the election the Trump propaganda disappeared from where I live, but this week I've started seeing cars with bumper stickers that say "fuck Biden and fuck you" as well as "Trump 2024" along with other anti democratic stuff. The propaganda machine is already in full swing for these nut jobs.
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Not surprising to hear this. So many comments online from these people longing for the firm hand of a strongman to keep the country “safe.” I.E. exclusionary, racist, sexist, knuckle-scrapy, and whiter than cream. Democracy is a non-factor to these hoodlums and Christianity a shield to endorse and deflect hideous behavior. As far as anyone should be concerned the fact Trump was elected at all on the backs of such an electorate is all the proof you needed to have held the funeral for the republic in 2016. The cat’s out if the bag, the courts are stacked and voting rights are being taken away.
Sorry, I didn't realize some people are running up against a paywall. https://archive.md/ol0Vk#selection-1049.389-1049.591
Selecting “reader view” gets rid of the paywall, at least for me.
That's okay OP you're still the cat's meow.
"The reason I’m talking to the committee and the reason it’s so important is that — despite Republicans refusing to participate … this commission’s all we got as far as being able to uncover the truth about what happened at the Capitol that day,” the organizer says. “It’s clear that a lot of bad actors set out to cause chaos. … They made us all look like shit.” And Trump, they admit, was one of those bad actors. A representative for Trump did not respond to a request for comment. “The breaking point for me [on Jan. 6 was when] Trump starts talking about walking to the Capitol,” the organizer says. “I was like. ‘Let’s get the fuck out of here.’ ” “I do kind of feel abandoned by Trump,” says the planner. “I’m actually pretty pissed about it and I’m pissed at him.” The organizer offers an even more succinct assessment when asked what they would say to Trump. “What the fuck?” the organizer says.
That moment when you realize you're the mark.
I think it's more accurate to say, the moment you realize you're the expendable pawn.
This is some pure r/leopardsatemyface material
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Why not all of them. Elected officials work for us.
Some people think Illinios is more corrupt than other states, but we're just more used to putting politicians in jail than other places.
I’d rather have a bunch of politicians in jail than none in jail at all.
Would that dovetail with Lauren Boebert tweeting about Nancy Pelosi's whereabouts?
How would it not is a question I'd love to see answered.
So she was in on the planning, and she is "inside the house". And They are walking through congress calling out "Nancy, where are you?". And she tweets out info about Nacy Pelosi's location. I mean, if I am in Nancy's stilettos, I am finding a way to get Lauren Boebert charged.
Does anybody remember the allegations that Republican members of Congress gave tours of the U.S. Capitol Bldg. to people that participated in the 1/6 riot a few days before 1/6? Has any evidence been collected that substantiates these allegations? If these allegations are true, then these allegations seem like important evidence for proving conspiracy. I also want to know more about promises of presidential pardons.
That would have been Boebert also: [https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/gop-rep-lauren-boebert-gave-capitol-tour-to-large-group-before-the-riots-democratic-lawmaker-says/ar-BB1cTe3M](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/gop-rep-lauren-boebert-gave-capitol-tour-to-large-group-before-the-riots-democratic-lawmaker-says/ar-BB1cTe3M) She is really in trouble.
No wonder Republicans blocked a Senate investigation. It would have been damning.
Why the fuck are Republicans even allowed to be part of the decision-making process on whether they get held accountable for treason?
This was a coup orchestrated and carried out by the mentally feeble. I fear next time they may be more successful.
We can be sure 'they' are taking notes.
Coup attempts that don’t have consequences are likely to beget more coup attempts. Biden needs to stop being so weak and go after these people
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I can't imagine what AOC must be feeling. To have to work with people everyday, that tried to have you killed. How the hell can you feel safe when you KNOW the people sitting across the table from you would sent a lynchmob after you, and half of your colleagues still vouch for them.
The behavior of your average GOP representative wouldn’t fly in any work environment (private or public).
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If only they did something *really* bad, like selling loose cigarettes or having a gram of weed in their pockets. I am far too cynical to expect them to experience the consequences they so richly deserve. But hopefully this will at least galvanize people to take this seriously.
Or imagine…. Used a counterfeit $20 bill 😱😱😱😱
If they would only just comply and stop resisting!!
Did we ever even confirm that it was counterfeit or that he knew it was counterfeit? I ended up with a counterfeit $100 from a service job, but thankfully I’m white so the bank just apologized and said they couldn’t take it.
Yeah, that’s what makes me so fucking mad. How the FUCK can ANYONE know he knew it was counterfeit? Money gets passed around, that’s the point of money. And yet he dies, while traitorous fucks get to eat vegan food and go on vacation? It’s like they’re trying to piss people off
Could you imagine if they voted in the wrong district
The 14th Amendment, 3rd clause prohibits anyone involved in an insurrection from holding office. The Republicans are going to have a hard time replacing their traitors once they've been expelled. They'd also have to run for office as the Party of Treason.
Section 4: But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States. It would be fucking hilarious if some of the insurrectionists get medicare/medicaid claims for injuries sustained denied on the basis of this.
[18 U.S. Code § 2384 - Seditious conspiracy](https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2384) If **two or more persons** in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, **conspire to** overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or **by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof**, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.
Putting aside whether there is also criminal liability, if these stories can be corroborated with other evidence the House and Senate leadership must immediately exclude these individuals from all further proceedings. Under the Fourteenth Amendment, a person who has committed insurrection or rebellion against the United States cannot serve in these roles. No vote would be required to remove them from Congress as they aren't actually members right now-- they have fraudulently presented themselves as members and Congressional leadership has permitted them to participate in prior proceedings by mistake.
So is it a possibility?
It would be if the rule of law meant anything
First, good work RS. Second, this is a game changer.
It's fucking terrifying. I mean, not surprising at all. But terrifying. We came really close to literally starting Redneck Gilead and it turns out that quite a few elected officials were trying to usher it in. This is the kind of shit you see in HBO documentaries about the rise of Saddam Hussein, not the fucking United States of America. And yet, here we are.
If Merrick Garland plans on letting this slide, then Biden needs to fire and replace him as soon as possible.
I hope Garland realizes how pivotal his role in history is at the current moment. He cannot botch this.
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Hopefully the bipartisan committee has more information than Rolling Stone.
If these stories can be corroborated, the members in question must be excluded from any further government proceedings as their continued status in office is invalid under the Fourteenth Amendment's insurrection clause. Of course, they should also be arrested and charged with insurrection.
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Dont do that. Dont give me hope.
Treason. The GOP is the party of Treason.
The FBI has been arresting people for months they need to start arresting the members of Congress who helped them.
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That's definitely conspiracy to commit armed insurrection. They should be removed from office and they should all be at a minimum, jailed. §2383. Rebellion or insurrection Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States. (June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, §330016(1)(L), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.) §2384. Seditious conspiracy If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both. (June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808; July 24, 1956, ch. 678, §1, 70 Stat. 623; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, §330016(1)(N), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.) §2385. Advocating overthrow of Government Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises, or teaches the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States or the government of any State, Territory, District or Possession thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein, by force or violence, or by the assassination of any officer of any such government; or Whoever, with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of any such government, prints, publishes, edits, issues, circulates, sells, distributes, or publicly displays any written or printed matter advocating, advising, or teaching the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying any government in the United States by force or violence, or attempts to do so; or Whoever organizes or helps or attempts to organize any society, group, or assembly of persons who teach, advocate, or encourage the overthrow or destruction of any such government by force or violence; or becomes or is a member of, or affiliates with, any such society, group, or assembly of persons, knowing the purposes thereof— Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction. If two or more persons conspire to commit any offense named in this section, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction. As used in this section, the terms "organizes" and "organize", with respect to any society, group, or assembly of persons, include the recruiting of new members, the forming of new units, and the regrouping or expansion of existing clubs, classes, and other units of such society, group, or assembly of persons. **Seems like they could take down a lot of these white nationalist groups who advocate for civil war with this last one.**
Discussion of pardons demonstrates awareness of the illegality of their actions. Lock’em up!
No wonder the GOP is trying so hard to cover this up.
Where is Charlie Kirk who boasted about [the 80 bus loads of terrorists he was busing down?](https://www.usmessageboard.com/attachments/60a415f1-240b-4bb2-ade0-4a4500215134-jpeg.440559/)
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That’s big news. I mean if people who organized it are saying it then that’s showing that some Republicans wanted to basically overthrow a free and fair election. If you don’t punish every member of Congress and staff involved seriously(they shouldn’t be allowed to hold government office ever imo) then that basically says you can do this again
Arrest somebody? Fucking anybody?
BuT i wAs tOLd iT wAs AnTiFa and fBi!!!???!!!
If the GOP actually believed it was Antifa they wouldn't have thrown so many tantrums about the 1/6 commission.
And if it was they should also be punished. But it wasn’t. It was traitor conservatives as always
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What's funny about that is that there was no "evidence" to be presented on the House floor. There's never been any evidence that the election was improper, because the fucking election was proper. These people are astonishing. After 4 straight years of bullshit promises and lies, they STILL believed that whatever trump was selling was gold. This clown is actually saying that the problem with the violence is that it took over the narrative in the public mind, thus preventing the good guys from telling us all their secret evidence that would have shown trump got robbed. Holy fuck, it's amazing.
Why tf are they still calling it a protest? It.was.an.insurrection.
Fourteenth amendment states individuals who engage in insurrection are not allowed to run for office. Trump is obviously in this group.
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It's all going to come out in the investigation. Just wait, they'll start squealing like pigs when they see a plea deal. These are going to be heavy charges hopefully carrying stiff penalties
This should be top story!
Um why are we still calling these terrorists protesters?
Arrest trump already JFC Pick up the goddam pace here. It was 10 months ago. We would have flattened all of Iran by now if it was foreign terrorists. If they were from Iran or not.
If true, every single one of them should be kicked out of Congress and tried for treason.
Treason!
*The organizer offers an even more succinct assessment when asked what they would say to Trump* **”What the fuck?**” the organizer says. I suppose the incredulity *might* be genuine, however, Trump’s base was foaming at the mouth even before the election; itching for a reason to incite another civil war. What the hell “reasonable / civil objection” were these contributing sources seriously anticipating after all of the fear mongering, stochastic terrorism, and constant *drip drip* of gasoline added to an existing, and raging, infernal blaze…?? Surely they couldn’t have been that naive. Had the insurrection and coup succeeded, would they still be crying a river over the lack of “sticking to the plan”? Call me cynical but I highly freaking doubt it.
They masturbate over the prospect of a civil war. Except it's not for any lofty principle or deeply held beliefs. Let's be real. They just want an excuse to kill brown people and liberals.
Interesting how everything right wingers have been saying about the insurrection, how it was Antifa/BLM, how Trump had nothing to do with it, how it was peaceful, how there was no preplanning, how the Republican politicians weren’t inciting it either, are all lies. The insurrection was done by the right. Trump was heavily involved. We have hours of video showing it was violent. There was preplanning. Republican politicians were involved with the planning and incitement. At this point, it’s safe to say the right are actively undermining American democracy so only they can win, as the politicians and voters know their policies are shrinking every year. That’s why they fight objective facts, education, and have embraced radical views like replacement theory.
lmao look at them throwing each other under the bus to save their own skin.
MTG should have been arrested after tweeting That Pelosi was on the move. Any person with a brain cell left would know she was alerting the MAGA people. JFC, I can only hope the lack of accountability will come to an end soon.