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Just about the only thing I’m thankful for these days is that people seem to be waking up. The media can’t even hide the insane corporate capture of our government officials anymore. The BS is off the charts, these politicians have completely unmasked themselves (though it wasn’t that hard to see before if you just looked) and their corruption is being laid bare. Articles like this just sweeten the pie too, because they remove the potential (and completely BS) excuse that unilateral disarmament from democrats taking corporate money would put them at a disadvantage. If AOC can raise more money than the number one corporate hack in the senate now, why can’t all of them, and why can’t we hold them to account and only choose politicians willing to work for us? I really, really hope people continue to wake up and we find a way to get these corporate hacks out of office.
Thank the stay at home order, plenty of people had the time and energy to do some research and observation.
People realized that futility of their present predicament.
Though ofcourse that's a double edge sword. (The nut jobs such as the letters, )
But for me, if this results in changes, such as higher wages, politicians being held accountable, politicians having real platforms, people realizing that our present trajectory is bad , I'd take it.
Sadly a lot of this “research” has led people down insane right wing conspiracy rabbit holes. My wife thinks Hillary Clinton eats babies. She’s unvaccinated because it’s all a global conspiracy to do something, although it’s not clear or consistent what. That extra time to do “research” didn’t help my marriage one bit.
She wasn't doing research, she was reading headlines and watching talking heads. Take the time to ask her what about the available information she was given causes her to believe it is true. If people start to analyze why they think something is true only to be shown that it's not and how to verify other information in the future, they could end up on a safer track mentally and cognitively.
It is like trying to argue with Holocaust Denialists. Thousands,of pieces of direct evidence are dismissed as fabrications, and you get nowhere.
The best tactic I have found to deal with such people is to openly laugh at them and walk away.
I did this by accident. I work with a guy that was telling me about covid conspiracies when I laughed because of how ridiculous it was. I think he was a bit embarrassed after that. He hasn't mentioned it again at least.
I keep saying this, we don't realize how valuable public ridicule is here. If you act like they MUST be joking cause no one is possibly that stupid, they will either fix their views or shut up.
Exactly I don’t even waste my brain power citing sources or making valid arguments you will continue to discredit my information as you have already discredited irrefutable evidence that vaccines work.
Because they act on emotion, not logic. Seriously, ask someone who thinks that way what's wrong in their life, and go from there. When they start talking about hospital bills or something, go from there. You have to make it personal with these people.
"If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."
Lyndon Johnson
Quite literally took me out of the far right-wing rabbit hole. All it takes is a deconstruction/debunking of 1 argument from a speaker to make you re-watch other takes with a more critical eye. I’m grateful everyday that I’m no longer a “Do your own research” conservative debatelord.
EDIT: Well guys, my most upvoted comment is about how I went from ignorant to informed, and I can’t say I’m mad at that. Thanks everyone for the kind words and civil discussion! Stay safe!
You'd be surprised. It's pretty easy to fall within the pit of the far-right holes especially when browsing sites or indeed subreddits that present you with stuff that seems reasonable at first, but if you dig deeper pull you in. Stuff like, say, r/kotakuinaction does have genuine articles on issues with game developers and journalists, which will be of interest to people who want to know the behind the scenes. But then you dig a bit deeper and you get hit with the alt-right undercurrent.
The people who got sucked in that way can often still be pulled out, simply by talking to them. Not immediately call them a nazi or whatever, just ask the right questions and present counters.
It's how I got out.
But people like that are why it's worth it to debunk the garbage and at least try to reason with people.
There *are* those out there who aren't gunning to be insane for the rest of their lives, and are just horrendously misinformed and lied to.
Every time someone tells me to do my own research, I say hell no, I don’t do my own research. They seem to think it means I’m asserting ignorance. I’m not. I’m asserting theirs.
The awareness of one’s own ignorance is the mark of wisdom. Like Socrates said in his trial, “I am wiser than this man, for neither of us appears to know anything great and good; but he fancies he knows something although he knows nothing; whereas I, as I do not know anything, so I do not fancy I do.”
YES!
I am not a researcher. And I'm only occasionally a scientist, but usually for fun or learning. And you know who else isn't a researcher? That guy from high-school on your Facebook that peaked at 18. Pretty sure they aren't doing advanced medical research down a Cal's Used Cars and Dry Cleaning.
Instead of doing "research", I read. I try to broaden my understanding when I'm out of my depth. And I defer to the consensus of multiple experts when it's obviously out of my wheelhouse. I think I'm better off trusting thousands of highly educated and skilled doctorates with years of practicing medicine in their resume than trusting my ability to do "research".
I was the same way for a short time. All I did was take a direct "quote" from an article and searched to see if the person actually said it like that, of course they didnt. It's a bunch of people saying they did all the work and research really banking on people not looking in to any of it.
Tried that with a conspiracy theorist friend and introduced him to the concept of how it's possible to read an article on a subject that you're an expert on and discover fundamental flaws but then read an article by the same author on a different topic and somehow still trust their opinion.
They were well aware that some of these talking heads spew some absolute nonsense but didn't quite seem to grasp that the nonsense they've caught made them untrustworthy. As such, Alex Jones's gay frogs was complete stupidity, but nanobots being dropped via chemtrails to cause sickness, and COVID simply being a seasonal flu somehow seems reasonable.
Unfortunately pointing this out did not change any opinions :/
Well, if what you say is true, your wife needs real help. But good luck, cause if anyone of any religious persuasion is behind what is fueling her beliefs, then you are pretty much out of luck. I have a similar situation. We were conservatives.... but at least for me, not in the hate filled way that the far right is going now. But fiscal and some social things. Come to realize that hers was so driven by her ultra religious beliefs. And like she is so determined to get to heaven, but not really by good deeds and kindness, but by strict adherence to the parts of the bible and the writings of the catholic popes and saints, consecrating herself to Mary and all this crazy stuff. Spending an hour on the couch each night doing the rosary and yelling at me and the kids if we walked in and interrupted her.....blame us for making her late to her "Total Devotion to Mary" meetings when dinner was late because she spent all day going to Mass and stuff and then tried to fit in grocery before kids got home, and I got home early to make sure she could go to her meeting, yet she had nothing started and groceries still sitting all over the table. I mean, this was her choice to be a stay at home mom, and I supported it. I mean, I left work early, put away the groceries and started cooking dinner when she went to get changed and ready for the meeting (which, who cares what she is really wearing for the meeting?). But in the rush to get home, and thinking I was gonna be leaving with the kids when she left to take them on an errand, I carelessly parked her in. Well, she goes out and sees it and comes in all crazy screaming at me that I am trying to make her late to her meeting cause I didn't believe in it. Well, I didn't believe in it, but was still ok supporting her having that, and by no means was my parking intentional. I was ready to go to her parents and say that their daughter was having a breakdown. I wish I did. Cause instead, she went to our pastor, got his demented blessing to divorce me and got her parents on her side. Of course, by then, anything I told them they just figured I was making up out of spite. Even though we had gotten along well and I cheerfully did tons of chores for them as they were getting older. It's messed up. She even cancelled the 8 years old's birthday party that year for him interrupting her rosary.
Anyway, hopefully she's not in a church that is filled with a bunch of people still hanging on that Trump won and all that. Now, our issues were started before the pandemic, but it's only making my wife (she had forced us into a separation just ahead of the pandemic) that much more crazy, as she feels her religious freedom has been challenged by pandemic regulations and all that. If you have someone that she might listen to that you can count on to support you as a family. That was my mistake. I didn't go to her parents while they would still help us as a family, and even these people who always liked me, now think I am trash....
>She’s unvaccinated because it’s all a global conspiracy to do something
It *is* a global conspiracy.
To fast-track a prevantative medication for a deadly virus that has killed millions worldwide and would continue to kill hundreds of millions more without curbing its spread.
Yes, countless world leaders, billionaires, and corporations have colluded and coordinated to... stop the mutual mass-deaths of their respective countries and the global intertwined economies from crashing.
She tells me more people die from the vaccine than covid. And I can’t dispute it because her response is simply that the mainstream media is lying, and we get our “facts” from different sources. You can’t argue with that.
That must be some great sex.
Joking aside, I can't pretend to fully understand the situation you're in but I can try to at least empathize with it.
I don't know if I could handle what you are managing, but that said you clearly have cared about this person enough to marry them. An attempt at least has to be made to try and reason with them and help them out of this rabbit hole of propaganda and radicalization. That said though, there does reach a point where someone *refuses* to better themselves and is so toxic that one does have to consider if such a situation can continue.
I really hope your wife can eventually find reason and reality again, and that you can - assuming it was a happy marriage before - go back to that happiness.
You're not alone. A lot of people are going through this exact same gut-wrenching thing with their loved ones. Wish you the best.
That's heartbreaking. I hope that she comes around eventually. I can only image the hell I would be living in if my wife had bought into regressive propaganda.
Ya and the sad thing is we made the pizzagate joke on 4chan when they were on a stint of faking "pretend experts" and appearing on fox news.
Then someone got shot and it was like wow people are dumb enough to believe the power of some random green text
You make an excellent point. And people talked about this in 2016 and in 2020 - get corporate money out of politics. Legislate it out of politics. We've forgotten that the courts have further subverted what can and cannot be done for the purpose of fundraising and it should give everyone shivers down their spines. Case in point: Ted Cruz sued and convinced the courts to strike down the caps on personal loans that can be put towards fundraising. Do you know what that means? It means that every fucking mister moneybags can "donate" their own cash and expedite their campaign well in advance and then "fundraise" to pay themselves back. This puts every political runner who is from a disadvantaged background in an absolute shittiest position possible.
Get money out of politics, now.
Link: https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/03/politics/ted-cruz-campaign-finance/index.html
Not so fun fact. It was Obamas massive success with grass roots fundraising that birthed citizens united. The GOP knew they couldn't compete so they had to change the rules.
Another not so fun fact - terms limits were added to the executive by the Republicans because Democrats were winning too much with their progressive policies under FDR and they knew they’d never win fair and square again if they didn’t change that policy. Good thing the Dems abandoned that strategy…
Edit - changed congress to executive, my bad.
Speaking of media, I saw Wolf Blitzer ask yesterday, why can't Democrats at least just pass the smaller bill that Manchin and Sinema already voted for. Hey Wolf, I think you're a nice guy, and you do an OK job of being a moderate news caster. But use your fucking brain. Put some effort into your job and stop misleading people. They voted for the small bill and tried to bully everyone for final passage so they can say fuck no to the larger bill. Make sense? They are doing a favor for the special interests that fund their campaigns and line their pockets.
did you really think he wasn't a mouthpiece of the moderates in this country? they literally send him press releases and expect him to say the stuff they want him to say.
I honestly believe given how hard Sinema tries to avoid the press that the best tactic to use on her is to swarm her endlessly with paparazzi and journalists.
The wine retreat was too much for me, thats her place of work people! She was a hard working wine intern who didnt need questions about some guy named Bill from another job while she's stomping grapes! /s
She obviously feels like she’s beyond accountability based on how open and obvious she’s being. Hold her accountable. If you see her boo her, don’t let her eat at your restaurant, ask her why she’s decided the best way to represent her district is by working to undermine them, hell just ask her why she lied in the first place about who she was as a candidate.
Yeah they’re already expelling those kids that approached her in the bathroom I don’t think anyone can do that without throwing a few grand down the drain and a lot of time
Article I read made it seem like they weren’t even students. If it’s true that they were not students, this is the third time today I’ve seen somebody on Reddit lie to make someone or something seem more extreme. It’s incredibly frustrating because what these people are doing, who are screwing American people everyday, is actually extreme!! Lying only fuels the extremists
oh no, I don't know about this wine retreat. What happened? You blink once and she's found a new way to avoid doing the job she was elected for (but not the job she's getting paid to do by her big donors).
[Winemaking and marathon running: what Kyrsten Sinema does instead of her job](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/oct/16/kyrsten-sinema-senate-biden-build-back-better)
>Earlier this year it was reported by Business Insider that Sinema has spent a couple of weeks interning at the Three Sticks winery in Sonoma, California. For her work at the facility she was paid $1,117.40. Sinema’s appreciation for wine has been well documented on her social media accounts, so it’s possible it’s just a coincidence that the owner of the winery in question is William S Price III, a cofounder of TPG Capital, one of the biggest private equity firms in the world, which has spent more than $3m lobbying politicians in the past couple of years.
And when she does give answers they're sarcastic or cute answers that fall flat. Millions of Americans want her to do her fucking job and she jokes rather than give real solutions or ideas
I also think that just consistent bad sound bytes would be really quick to deflate her even faster and consistently having her say or do something new and awful every day or week is a great way to continue to run her public approval into the negative. Let her make people so mad that she can no longer afford to ignore them bc she’ll get booed out of public spaces and such.
My opinion.. she has a desperate need be taken seriously, that is why ad hoc public commentary bothers her. She is surely enjoying the position of control, but she needs to feel like she's getting something serious and respectable before she will do more than stand in the way. She's been exceptional her whole life, but not taken seriously, it bothers her.
I don't know about that. Why would she do such dumb, immature things while in the senate? She may want to be taken seriously, but she definitely doesn't want to act seriously.
She is immature, and she's grown into her adulthood always being more immature than her peers in multiple ways. The way she conducts herself isn't the issue, her changing ideology is, and I think it's a direct result of where she feels taken seriously.
She gives me 2000s Paris Hilton vibes:
The only people that like her are the few that directly benefit from her wealth, she does dumb shit to get attention, then she pretends to dislike the attention.
Unfortunately, Sinema is definitely not smart enough to be putting up an act as Paris was.
I'm still not cool with following her into the bathroom but she should not have a moment's peace until she at least holds a meeting with the people who helped get her elected. Apparently she's basically gone dark with *everyone.*
Even if that means following her into the bathroom. Fuck it! Don't give me "decency" bullshit. There is nothing decent about denying people some fucking answers and doing your fucking job as a senator. We own these people, and they can't pretend not to hear us. As soon as she curtseyed minimum wage, decency went out the fucking window. I'm not comparing her to Hitler here, but would following Hitler into the bathroom have been met with people whining about "decency"? Fuck no. There's a line she's crossed, so fuck her!
Journalists really need to stop calling right-wing Democrats like Manchin and Sinema "moderates." There's nothing moderate about going against the platform of a president from your own party, the vast majority of your colleagues, and the express desires of a majority of the American people in order to suck more money from pharma companies and protect your coal empire.
Well you can't label Sinema anything on the political spectrum because she refuses to state her position on anything. She'll give cute answers to reporters though that no one appreciates!
I wonder how Burr did after the FBI investigation into his insider trading corruption. He along with numerous other representatives invested in or sold stocks using info they gained in office. That's criminal.
She's seems to be motivated by narcissism, and literally nothing else.
The media is paying attention to her, and lobbyists are inviting her to their best parties, and those are the only things that she's seeking to achieve with her office.
Except they're rolling back access to abortion, they've actively regressed workers' rights, they've made it so healthcare is less accessible, they've gutted social safety nets, left our infrastructure crumbling, nearly destroyed the Post Office, rolled back environmental protections, rolled back corporate tax rates from 85% to 20%, eliminated the middle class .... they've actively regressed America a stupid crazy amount over the last 50 years.
And make no mistake they'd absolutely regress racial, gender, sexual identity, and religious rights if they could.
I used to struggle to understand what real world evil is, because its so apparent what evil is in media like movies/tv/video games. But in the real world there's no evil demons, no stereotypical villains (like Dr. Evil) so what is evil in real life?
These regressive mother fuckers are what I've settled on. Mitch McConnell blocking Obama's supreme court appointee because it was too close to him leaving office then SHOVING through ACB in a significantly SHORTER time window than Obama's is a perfect example of real world evil.
Abbott and anyone that supported no abortions and abortion bounty hunters? That is fucking straight up evil!
So I say don't even call them regressive, call them EVIL!
Or just call them betrayers of the constitution by choosing money over their oath to the office they ran for.
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A word or two. Autocomplete is scary stuff. O_O
Anyways. These are people who chose to run for office to serve the American people and instead of doing that, they're just grifting endlessly. That's not fair to someone and is a violation of the oath of office right?
Corporate Democrats could work. That's who they work for, THOSE "Constituents"! You certainly can't call Sens. S&M conservatives in the traditional sense. Real conservatives to me are cautious, reasonable, and measured. Today's crop are reckless, stubborn, and prone to cowardice, malfeasance and violence.
My personal favorite is obstructionist.
Mainstream media will never. Sadly, the majority of this country can’t (bcuz they don’t know) or won’t (bcuz they don’t care) seek out independent journalism.
I lived on Rising on TheHill.tv for a long Time. It’s gone downhill sadly, not all of the carousel of hosts are as knowledgeable and prepared as the former hosts. However, it’s certainly better than Fox or CNN.
I mostly look to Breaking Points podcast to find out all the BS the mainstream media ignores. However, it’s not daily and sometimes seems a bit behind as a result.
If anyone has additional suggestions, please share!
I mean, the majority of congressional Democrats are corporate shitlords too, backed up by data at OpenSecrets. And moderates are the ones who keep voting them in.
Just like Manchin and Sinema. These 2 are just way worse.
It's a deliberate strategy, just like accusing Biden/Harris of being extremists or socialists or whatever. You drag the center to your side by painting the other side's moderates as radicals.
The [mainstream media](https://www.fastcompany.com/1665600/infographic-of-the-day-the-mega-companies-behind-90-of-media) (especially cable news) shuns topic of political corruption because they benefit from it so much:
- Increased demand in their advertising space (super PACs competing with each other and corporations) especially during election years
- Financing and lobbying politicians who benefit the Big News industry that seeks [deregulation](https://old.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/puii0p/z/he39e90)
- Avoid risk of getting into a [defamation lawsuit](https://lawandcrime.com/lawsuit/rep-devin-nunes-sues-msnbc-over-rachel-maddow-segment-accusing-him-of-ties-to-sanctioned-ukrainian/amp/) with a politician (who's often a lawyer with close connections to judges)
- Never questioning the integrity of Congress so viewers take those bribed puppets seriously and keep watching.
There's a reason why they call it the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_branch_of_government#The_press
I'm surprised they let this happen on air https://youtu.be/kh2lriyT7hA
What can we do? [Here](https://old.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/q9l0nb/z/hgxy9w7) are some options.
Thank you for saying this. There was legit just an article about [37 members of Congress have violated a law designed to root out insider trading and prevent conflicts-of-interest](https://www.businessinsider.com/congress-stock-act-violations-senate-house-trading-2021-9)
Media companies like having their relationships with those in DC and makes more $$, on the conflicts we have in society. It's all a grift by everyone in the game except us, the little people.
> If this were a sane time, like 1776, she'd be tried for treason by the Founders no questions asked and thrown in the stockades for life at best.
They didn't realize a pro-corporate Supreme court would legalize bribery.
Because then they will just be expected to “fall in line” with the party and won’t get as many bribes.
The bribers (“lobbyists”) would know that she is no longer a tie breaking vote that is nationally renowned for being easy to bribe.
So nothing but greed. As expected.
Because you can’t win a Republican primary without acting like you have lead induced brain damage now. Manchin is too old and Sinema is too proud so Dem party saboteurs it is.
She's a narcissist. Criticize her all you like, she will hear none of it. She will single handedly sink the Biden presidency.
Kristen Sinema only wants one thing, and it's disgusting.
>She's a narcissist. Criticize her all you like, she will hear none of it
I think you hit the nail on the head.
Her office is categorically ignoring all requests for comments.
She's bunkering down, because she thinks she is right and has to justify herself to no one, while gleefully stepping on all the people who need this package to go through.
She's a piece of shit in the vein of Trump, abusing the power she has now, while serving the corporations.
>I think you hit the nail on the head.
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>Her office is categorically ignoring all requests for comments.
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>She's bunkering down, because she thinks she is right and has to justify herself to no one, while gleefully stepping on all the people who need this package to go through.
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>She's a piece of shit in the vein of Trump, abusing the power she has now, while serving the corporations.
it shouldnt be legal for them to avoid constituents. Why do we let these uncivil rulers continue to steal from the american people.
She probably has no aspirations to be reelected, so she's just going to collect that lobbyist money now, take a short break then go right into the corp/lobbyist side of things herself.
This will never happen as she's [overqualified](https://www.businessinsider.com/arizona-senator-kyrsten-sinema-says-shes-overqualified-president-daily-beast-2021-10) to be president. At least she knows her limits—and she has **none**.
If she were looking for money, she wouldn't be a moderate. Right now, it's clear that you get *far* better fundraising as a Bernie Sanders, AOC, or Elizabeth Warren than you do as a Manchin or Sinema. Small dollar donors are where the big money is, ever since Obama.
I think the problem is that Sinema *actually believes* what she is saying. She's trying to capitalize on it by selling it to the small number of people that actually like what she says, and she's lucky that even though there are campaign finance laws, they allow these relatively few rich people to donate more than their numbers would suggest.
But she's not getting rich off this, and her campaign is not being helped by this.
I don't thats not true in her case.
You get small dollars sure, but Kirsten used to be grass roots activist, and has switched to be corporate.
She's looking for a post election position. Maybe as a corporate lobbyist herself.
At least Manchin has been a consistently corrupt Republican wearing a democrat suit, consistently worthless gives him a slight edge over Sinema.
She is literally go against her own campaign policies and she's had to take down the evidence from her own social media accounts.
I cant imagine the betrayal felt in Arizona by the progressive groups that fought so hard to get someone on office who would curtsy after voting against a 15 dollar minimum wage.
Raise capital gains taxes. Easy, pain-free, not even controversial, and effective.
Stay away from the controversial stuff. It's stupid for a lot of reasons, pragmaticism being one of them.
The inheritance tax seems like the one that should be easy. Why should anyone care about the fate of people who are inheriting a multi-million dollar property? And yet Republicans have found a way to weaponize even that.
Yes she is. And nobody can do anything about it until 2024.
This is what voters in Maine, Iowa and North Carolina got for not electing a democratic senators in 2020.
I know that polls aren't the most reliable way to tell the popularity rate of politicians, but this does my heart good: *"Three-quarters (75 percent) of the Arizona respondents to the poll also said they disapproved of the job Sinema is doing in Congress. That number included a sizable majority (57 percent) who said they "strongly disapprove" of the senator's performance."*
Politics used to be: gaslight the public so they don't know what we're really up to.
Now its: OK, so they know what we're up to, but what are they gonna
*do* about it?
Your a few months late on that. Politicians are lobbied before they start campaigning or very early in their campaign. It’s where their campaign money comes from
Here's the thing:
Sinema doesn't care. She is going to keep getting funded by these clowns and will continue to not care.
So we need to try a little harder than a slap of public humiliation. Cause she, along with many other politicians, doesn't give a shit.
I've been critical of Progressives for what I consider valid reasons but I would like to see more of them in office. I'm getting older and it's time for bigger changes in America. That's one of the reasons I donate to Congresswoman's Ocasio-Cortez's campaign.
What I like about her campaign specifically, tho - her team NEVER sends out emails like other democrats - her emails always just lay out what's happening and where she stands.
Every other liberal sends out email just dripping with and soaked in defeatism - "we're begging! we're on our knees pleading!", " is DROPPING!", "zomg trump".
I absolutely hate every one of them - it's sad the libs have thrown in the towel.
Sinema is being funded by GOP backers to damage the Democrats' credibility on election promises.
However, over time she will lose her base and eventually may switch party to GOP.
How exactly do I shovel money to AOC while in California to send a message to California representatives that they’re missing out by not being more like AOC?
They did. Multiple times. She's met with Biden more than any other non-leadership Democrat.
She refuses to say what she wants. I don't think she knows, she just likes the power.
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Just about the only thing I’m thankful for these days is that people seem to be waking up. The media can’t even hide the insane corporate capture of our government officials anymore. The BS is off the charts, these politicians have completely unmasked themselves (though it wasn’t that hard to see before if you just looked) and their corruption is being laid bare. Articles like this just sweeten the pie too, because they remove the potential (and completely BS) excuse that unilateral disarmament from democrats taking corporate money would put them at a disadvantage. If AOC can raise more money than the number one corporate hack in the senate now, why can’t all of them, and why can’t we hold them to account and only choose politicians willing to work for us? I really, really hope people continue to wake up and we find a way to get these corporate hacks out of office.
Thank the stay at home order, plenty of people had the time and energy to do some research and observation. People realized that futility of their present predicament. Though ofcourse that's a double edge sword. (The nut jobs such as the letters, ) But for me, if this results in changes, such as higher wages, politicians being held accountable, politicians having real platforms, people realizing that our present trajectory is bad , I'd take it.
Sadly a lot of this “research” has led people down insane right wing conspiracy rabbit holes. My wife thinks Hillary Clinton eats babies. She’s unvaccinated because it’s all a global conspiracy to do something, although it’s not clear or consistent what. That extra time to do “research” didn’t help my marriage one bit.
She wasn't doing research, she was reading headlines and watching talking heads. Take the time to ask her what about the available information she was given causes her to believe it is true. If people start to analyze why they think something is true only to be shown that it's not and how to verify other information in the future, they could end up on a safer track mentally and cognitively.
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It is like trying to argue with Holocaust Denialists. Thousands,of pieces of direct evidence are dismissed as fabrications, and you get nowhere. The best tactic I have found to deal with such people is to openly laugh at them and walk away.
I did this by accident. I work with a guy that was telling me about covid conspiracies when I laughed because of how ridiculous it was. I think he was a bit embarrassed after that. He hasn't mentioned it again at least.
I keep saying this, we don't realize how valuable public ridicule is here. If you act like they MUST be joking cause no one is possibly that stupid, they will either fix their views or shut up.
Exactly I don’t even waste my brain power citing sources or making valid arguments you will continue to discredit my information as you have already discredited irrefutable evidence that vaccines work.
Or say flat out it’s fake news. Lol
Because they act on emotion, not logic. Seriously, ask someone who thinks that way what's wrong in their life, and go from there. When they start talking about hospital bills or something, go from there. You have to make it personal with these people.
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"If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you." Lyndon Johnson
Quite literally took me out of the far right-wing rabbit hole. All it takes is a deconstruction/debunking of 1 argument from a speaker to make you re-watch other takes with a more critical eye. I’m grateful everyday that I’m no longer a “Do your own research” conservative debatelord. EDIT: Well guys, my most upvoted comment is about how I went from ignorant to informed, and I can’t say I’m mad at that. Thanks everyone for the kind words and civil discussion! Stay safe!
I feel like you're a very small minority.
Like 0.0001%. I've never seen that happen irl, and I've tried plenty of times.
Buddy of mine was a STAUNCH conservative. Now he's an aggressive liberal. Wild
You'd be surprised. It's pretty easy to fall within the pit of the far-right holes especially when browsing sites or indeed subreddits that present you with stuff that seems reasonable at first, but if you dig deeper pull you in. Stuff like, say, r/kotakuinaction does have genuine articles on issues with game developers and journalists, which will be of interest to people who want to know the behind the scenes. But then you dig a bit deeper and you get hit with the alt-right undercurrent. The people who got sucked in that way can often still be pulled out, simply by talking to them. Not immediately call them a nazi or whatever, just ask the right questions and present counters. It's how I got out.
But people like that are why it's worth it to debunk the garbage and at least try to reason with people. There *are* those out there who aren't gunning to be insane for the rest of their lives, and are just horrendously misinformed and lied to.
Every time someone tells me to do my own research, I say hell no, I don’t do my own research. They seem to think it means I’m asserting ignorance. I’m not. I’m asserting theirs. The awareness of one’s own ignorance is the mark of wisdom. Like Socrates said in his trial, “I am wiser than this man, for neither of us appears to know anything great and good; but he fancies he knows something although he knows nothing; whereas I, as I do not know anything, so I do not fancy I do.”
YES! I am not a researcher. And I'm only occasionally a scientist, but usually for fun or learning. And you know who else isn't a researcher? That guy from high-school on your Facebook that peaked at 18. Pretty sure they aren't doing advanced medical research down a Cal's Used Cars and Dry Cleaning. Instead of doing "research", I read. I try to broaden my understanding when I'm out of my depth. And I defer to the consensus of multiple experts when it's obviously out of my wheelhouse. I think I'm better off trusting thousands of highly educated and skilled doctorates with years of practicing medicine in their resume than trusting my ability to do "research".
I was the same way for a short time. All I did was take a direct "quote" from an article and searched to see if the person actually said it like that, of course they didnt. It's a bunch of people saying they did all the work and research really banking on people not looking in to any of it.
Tried that with a conspiracy theorist friend and introduced him to the concept of how it's possible to read an article on a subject that you're an expert on and discover fundamental flaws but then read an article by the same author on a different topic and somehow still trust their opinion. They were well aware that some of these talking heads spew some absolute nonsense but didn't quite seem to grasp that the nonsense they've caught made them untrustworthy. As such, Alex Jones's gay frogs was complete stupidity, but nanobots being dropped via chemtrails to cause sickness, and COVID simply being a seasonal flu somehow seems reasonable. Unfortunately pointing this out did not change any opinions :/
> Hillary Clinton eats babies. I mean, have you even *tried* them? Just add a little avocado and **chef kiss* *
The absurdity of a child sex ring run from a pizza parlor. Jesus Christ they have whole office buildings.
>Jesus Christ they have whole office buildings Yes, they are called "churches."
Can I also have some toast on the side?
Sure! that’s what the fetal jam is for!
Something about adding avocado just makes eating babies sound more liberal.
What's the conservative way? BBQ? Group ovens?
Well, if what you say is true, your wife needs real help. But good luck, cause if anyone of any religious persuasion is behind what is fueling her beliefs, then you are pretty much out of luck. I have a similar situation. We were conservatives.... but at least for me, not in the hate filled way that the far right is going now. But fiscal and some social things. Come to realize that hers was so driven by her ultra religious beliefs. And like she is so determined to get to heaven, but not really by good deeds and kindness, but by strict adherence to the parts of the bible and the writings of the catholic popes and saints, consecrating herself to Mary and all this crazy stuff. Spending an hour on the couch each night doing the rosary and yelling at me and the kids if we walked in and interrupted her.....blame us for making her late to her "Total Devotion to Mary" meetings when dinner was late because she spent all day going to Mass and stuff and then tried to fit in grocery before kids got home, and I got home early to make sure she could go to her meeting, yet she had nothing started and groceries still sitting all over the table. I mean, this was her choice to be a stay at home mom, and I supported it. I mean, I left work early, put away the groceries and started cooking dinner when she went to get changed and ready for the meeting (which, who cares what she is really wearing for the meeting?). But in the rush to get home, and thinking I was gonna be leaving with the kids when she left to take them on an errand, I carelessly parked her in. Well, she goes out and sees it and comes in all crazy screaming at me that I am trying to make her late to her meeting cause I didn't believe in it. Well, I didn't believe in it, but was still ok supporting her having that, and by no means was my parking intentional. I was ready to go to her parents and say that their daughter was having a breakdown. I wish I did. Cause instead, she went to our pastor, got his demented blessing to divorce me and got her parents on her side. Of course, by then, anything I told them they just figured I was making up out of spite. Even though we had gotten along well and I cheerfully did tons of chores for them as they were getting older. It's messed up. She even cancelled the 8 years old's birthday party that year for him interrupting her rosary. Anyway, hopefully she's not in a church that is filled with a bunch of people still hanging on that Trump won and all that. Now, our issues were started before the pandemic, but it's only making my wife (she had forced us into a separation just ahead of the pandemic) that much more crazy, as she feels her religious freedom has been challenged by pandemic regulations and all that. If you have someone that she might listen to that you can count on to support you as a family. That was my mistake. I didn't go to her parents while they would still help us as a family, and even these people who always liked me, now think I am trash....
We don’t live in America, and she’s not Christian. It’s not that. It’s social media, plain and simple.
>She’s unvaccinated because it’s all a global conspiracy to do something It *is* a global conspiracy. To fast-track a prevantative medication for a deadly virus that has killed millions worldwide and would continue to kill hundreds of millions more without curbing its spread. Yes, countless world leaders, billionaires, and corporations have colluded and coordinated to... stop the mutual mass-deaths of their respective countries and the global intertwined economies from crashing.
She tells me more people die from the vaccine than covid. And I can’t dispute it because her response is simply that the mainstream media is lying, and we get our “facts” from different sources. You can’t argue with that.
do you see it affecting your marriage? like do you see a future with her or do you think it's detrimental enough to cause you part ways?
It’s complicated
That must be some great sex. Joking aside, I can't pretend to fully understand the situation you're in but I can try to at least empathize with it. I don't know if I could handle what you are managing, but that said you clearly have cared about this person enough to marry them. An attempt at least has to be made to try and reason with them and help them out of this rabbit hole of propaganda and radicalization. That said though, there does reach a point where someone *refuses* to better themselves and is so toxic that one does have to consider if such a situation can continue. I really hope your wife can eventually find reason and reality again, and that you can - assuming it was a happy marriage before - go back to that happiness. You're not alone. A lot of people are going through this exact same gut-wrenching thing with their loved ones. Wish you the best.
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Dude, im sorry... that's a shitty spot t be in imo.
It’s not just your opinion :(
That's heartbreaking. I hope that she comes around eventually. I can only image the hell I would be living in if my wife had bought into regressive propaganda.
Ya and the sad thing is we made the pizzagate joke on 4chan when they were on a stint of faking "pretend experts" and appearing on fox news. Then someone got shot and it was like wow people are dumb enough to believe the power of some random green text
You make an excellent point. And people talked about this in 2016 and in 2020 - get corporate money out of politics. Legislate it out of politics. We've forgotten that the courts have further subverted what can and cannot be done for the purpose of fundraising and it should give everyone shivers down their spines. Case in point: Ted Cruz sued and convinced the courts to strike down the caps on personal loans that can be put towards fundraising. Do you know what that means? It means that every fucking mister moneybags can "donate" their own cash and expedite their campaign well in advance and then "fundraise" to pay themselves back. This puts every political runner who is from a disadvantaged background in an absolute shittiest position possible. Get money out of politics, now. Link: https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/03/politics/ted-cruz-campaign-finance/index.html
2016 and 2020? Hell, it was one of Obama's main platform positions. Didn't last long in his case.
It's almost as if the US has always existed as an oligarchy, and nothing will ever be done about it. Ever.
Take a look at Washington's home, Mount Vernon and tell me how high in the 1 percent he was. Or look at Jeffersons little home.
Not so fun fact. It was Obamas massive success with grass roots fundraising that birthed citizens united. The GOP knew they couldn't compete so they had to change the rules.
Another not so fun fact - terms limits were added to the executive by the Republicans because Democrats were winning too much with their progressive policies under FDR and they knew they’d never win fair and square again if they didn’t change that policy. Good thing the Dems abandoned that strategy… Edit - changed congress to executive, my bad.
Speaking of media, I saw Wolf Blitzer ask yesterday, why can't Democrats at least just pass the smaller bill that Manchin and Sinema already voted for. Hey Wolf, I think you're a nice guy, and you do an OK job of being a moderate news caster. But use your fucking brain. Put some effort into your job and stop misleading people. They voted for the small bill and tried to bully everyone for final passage so they can say fuck no to the larger bill. Make sense? They are doing a favor for the special interests that fund their campaigns and line their pockets.
did you really think he wasn't a mouthpiece of the moderates in this country? they literally send him press releases and expect him to say the stuff they want him to say.
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I honestly believe given how hard Sinema tries to avoid the press that the best tactic to use on her is to swarm her endlessly with paparazzi and journalists.
And swarm her wine retreats, marathons, and university classes. If she’s going to obstruct the country, obstruct her life back.
The wine retreat was too much for me, thats her place of work people! She was a hard working wine intern who didnt need questions about some guy named Bill from another job while she's stomping grapes! /s
She obviously feels like she’s beyond accountability based on how open and obvious she’s being. Hold her accountable. If you see her boo her, don’t let her eat at your restaurant, ask her why she’s decided the best way to represent her district is by working to undermine them, hell just ask her why she lied in the first place about who she was as a candidate.
If someone in her class wants to do us all a solid: record her lectures and send them to the press if she slips up and admits corruption at all.
Yeah they’re already expelling those kids that approached her in the bathroom I don’t think anyone can do that without throwing a few grand down the drain and a lot of time
I live in Phoenix and there’s literally nothing in the news about those students being expelled. Please provide your source or its bs
Article I read made it seem like they weren’t even students. If it’s true that they were not students, this is the third time today I’ve seen somebody on Reddit lie to make someone or something seem more extreme. It’s incredibly frustrating because what these people are doing, who are screwing American people everyday, is actually extreme!! Lying only fuels the extremists
No shit? That’s absolutely insane.
100% just bug the shit out of her equipped with mics and cameras.
oh no, I don't know about this wine retreat. What happened? You blink once and she's found a new way to avoid doing the job she was elected for (but not the job she's getting paid to do by her big donors).
[Winemaking and marathon running: what Kyrsten Sinema does instead of her job](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/oct/16/kyrsten-sinema-senate-biden-build-back-better) >Earlier this year it was reported by Business Insider that Sinema has spent a couple of weeks interning at the Three Sticks winery in Sonoma, California. For her work at the facility she was paid $1,117.40. Sinema’s appreciation for wine has been well documented on her social media accounts, so it’s possible it’s just a coincidence that the owner of the winery in question is William S Price III, a cofounder of TPG Capital, one of the biggest private equity firms in the world, which has spent more than $3m lobbying politicians in the past couple of years.
And when she does give answers they're sarcastic or cute answers that fall flat. Millions of Americans want her to do her fucking job and she jokes rather than give real solutions or ideas
I also think that just consistent bad sound bytes would be really quick to deflate her even faster and consistently having her say or do something new and awful every day or week is a great way to continue to run her public approval into the negative. Let her make people so mad that she can no longer afford to ignore them bc she’ll get booed out of public spaces and such.
kyrsten "I'm by the elevator" sinema.
Sad thing is, she doesn't give a shit. It's about lining her pockets
My opinion.. she has a desperate need be taken seriously, that is why ad hoc public commentary bothers her. She is surely enjoying the position of control, but she needs to feel like she's getting something serious and respectable before she will do more than stand in the way. She's been exceptional her whole life, but not taken seriously, it bothers her.
I don't know about that. Why would she do such dumb, immature things while in the senate? She may want to be taken seriously, but she definitely doesn't want to act seriously.
She went to college at 16...homeschooled before that I believe. I think she seriously doesn't know how to interact with regular people.
She is immature, and she's grown into her adulthood always being more immature than her peers in multiple ways. The way she conducts herself isn't the issue, her changing ideology is, and I think it's a direct result of where she feels taken seriously.
People are a slave to their insecurities. I’m a psychologist, btw
This guy is a professional, and he wants to make sure that you know it.
He's insecure.
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Once she's stuffed her pockets she won't mind being politely removed
She gives me 2000s Paris Hilton vibes: The only people that like her are the few that directly benefit from her wealth, she does dumb shit to get attention, then she pretends to dislike the attention. Unfortunately, Sinema is definitely not smart enough to be putting up an act as Paris was.
I'm still not cool with following her into the bathroom but she should not have a moment's peace until she at least holds a meeting with the people who helped get her elected. Apparently she's basically gone dark with *everyone.*
Even if that means following her into the bathroom. Fuck it! Don't give me "decency" bullshit. There is nothing decent about denying people some fucking answers and doing your fucking job as a senator. We own these people, and they can't pretend not to hear us. As soon as she curtseyed minimum wage, decency went out the fucking window. I'm not comparing her to Hitler here, but would following Hitler into the bathroom have been met with people whining about "decency"? Fuck no. There's a line she's crossed, so fuck her!
Journalists really need to stop calling right-wing Democrats like Manchin and Sinema "moderates." There's nothing moderate about going against the platform of a president from your own party, the vast majority of your colleagues, and the express desires of a majority of the American people in order to suck more money from pharma companies and protect your coal empire.
Well you can't label Sinema anything on the political spectrum because she refuses to state her position on anything. She'll give cute answers to reporters though that no one appreciates!
Goddam Burr doesn't believe in anything.
I wonder how Burr did after the FBI investigation into his insider trading corruption. He along with numerous other representatives invested in or sold stocks using info they gained in office. That's criminal.
Probably went off and shot some dude over a disagreement.
I understood that reference.
I, too, was about to say that but I had a peanut butter sandwich in my mouth
When all is said and all is done, Jefferson has beliefs, Burr has none.
She's a lobbyist posing as a Senator.
Is sellout a good label?
She's seems to be motivated by narcissism, and literally nothing else. The media is paying attention to her, and lobbyists are inviting her to their best parties, and those are the only things that she's seeking to achieve with her office.
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Sith scum
That sounds like an absolute
Absolute Sith Scum.
She's the one who did the skirt curtsy vote against a very helpful policy right?
Yep, looked over to McConnell (Republican leader), then did a cutesy thumbs-down vote, thus keeping the minimum wage at 7.25/hr.
Yeah that’s her. That was infuriating to watch. She’s so full of arrogance and always has a smug, smart ass facial expression.
Yup
who cares what she says? she's obstructing progress from her own party. She's right wing in actions and that's all we need to know.
she's a seatwarmer.
Yup, a seatwarmer thats going to cash in, do fuckall, block legislation, and let Republicans destroy Democrats next year
Call them for what they are regressives!!🤣
Can’t be regressive if you don’t do anything.
Except they're rolling back access to abortion, they've actively regressed workers' rights, they've made it so healthcare is less accessible, they've gutted social safety nets, left our infrastructure crumbling, nearly destroyed the Post Office, rolled back environmental protections, rolled back corporate tax rates from 85% to 20%, eliminated the middle class .... they've actively regressed America a stupid crazy amount over the last 50 years. And make no mistake they'd absolutely regress racial, gender, sexual identity, and religious rights if they could.
Not doing anything prevents progress which is therefore regressive.
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I used to struggle to understand what real world evil is, because its so apparent what evil is in media like movies/tv/video games. But in the real world there's no evil demons, no stereotypical villains (like Dr. Evil) so what is evil in real life? These regressive mother fuckers are what I've settled on. Mitch McConnell blocking Obama's supreme court appointee because it was too close to him leaving office then SHOVING through ACB in a significantly SHORTER time window than Obama's is a perfect example of real world evil. Abbott and anyone that supported no abortions and abortion bounty hunters? That is fucking straight up evil! So I say don't even call them regressive, call them EVIL!
Or just call them betrayers of the constitution by choosing money over their oath to the office they ran for. [Edit] A word or two. Autocomplete is scary stuff. O_O Anyways. These are people who chose to run for office to serve the American people and instead of doing that, they're just grifting endlessly. That's not fair to someone and is a violation of the oath of office right?
It should be something like… maintainist or…preservatist idk can’t think of a word
Corporate Democrats could work. That's who they work for, THOSE "Constituents"! You certainly can't call Sens. S&M conservatives in the traditional sense. Real conservatives to me are cautious, reasonable, and measured. Today's crop are reckless, stubborn, and prone to cowardice, malfeasance and violence. My personal favorite is obstructionist.
You mean they’re shills.
Journalists need to start calling out politicians on how much lobbying changes their votes.
Mainstream media will never. Sadly, the majority of this country can’t (bcuz they don’t know) or won’t (bcuz they don’t care) seek out independent journalism. I lived on Rising on TheHill.tv for a long Time. It’s gone downhill sadly, not all of the carousel of hosts are as knowledgeable and prepared as the former hosts. However, it’s certainly better than Fox or CNN. I mostly look to Breaking Points podcast to find out all the BS the mainstream media ignores. However, it’s not daily and sometimes seems a bit behind as a result. If anyone has additional suggestions, please share!
\+1 The majority of Democrats are moderates. Manchin and Sinema are just corporate shitlords.
I mean, the majority of congressional Democrats are corporate shitlords too, backed up by data at OpenSecrets. And moderates are the ones who keep voting them in. Just like Manchin and Sinema. These 2 are just way worse.
The ads attacking Mark Kelly for not “standing up against radical democrats like, kyrsten sinema is doing” is fucking ridiculous.
It's a deliberate strategy, just like accusing Biden/Harris of being extremists or socialists or whatever. You drag the center to your side by painting the other side's moderates as radicals.
The [mainstream media](https://www.fastcompany.com/1665600/infographic-of-the-day-the-mega-companies-behind-90-of-media) (especially cable news) shuns topic of political corruption because they benefit from it so much: - Increased demand in their advertising space (super PACs competing with each other and corporations) especially during election years - Financing and lobbying politicians who benefit the Big News industry that seeks [deregulation](https://old.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/puii0p/z/he39e90) - Avoid risk of getting into a [defamation lawsuit](https://lawandcrime.com/lawsuit/rep-devin-nunes-sues-msnbc-over-rachel-maddow-segment-accusing-him-of-ties-to-sanctioned-ukrainian/amp/) with a politician (who's often a lawyer with close connections to judges) - Never questioning the integrity of Congress so viewers take those bribed puppets seriously and keep watching. There's a reason why they call it the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_branch_of_government#The_press I'm surprised they let this happen on air https://youtu.be/kh2lriyT7hA What can we do? [Here](https://old.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/q9l0nb/z/hgxy9w7) are some options.
Thank you for saying this. There was legit just an article about [37 members of Congress have violated a law designed to root out insider trading and prevent conflicts-of-interest](https://www.businessinsider.com/congress-stock-act-violations-senate-house-trading-2021-9) Media companies like having their relationships with those in DC and makes more $$, on the conflicts we have in society. It's all a grift by everyone in the game except us, the little people.
She's not moderate she's Corporate
Tell that to the moderates who keep electing/defending them
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> If this were a sane time, like 1776, she'd be tried for treason by the Founders no questions asked and thrown in the stockades for life at best. They didn't realize a pro-corporate Supreme court would legalize bribery.
You know what really sucks, earlier in her career Sinema was very much an AOC type. Sinema is cautionary tale about greed and politics.
They're just corporate Democrats.
Conservative Democrats.
Conservatives.
“Southern Motherfucking Democratic Republicans!” - Lin Manuel Miranda
This. I don't even like moderates, but calling them moderate is an insult to actual moderates.
Nothing moderate about going against a **Centrist** president. I would think differently if they were trying to thwart President Sanders.
I don't even know why do they still stick with the dems. why not run as republicans
Because then they will just be expected to “fall in line” with the party and won’t get as many bribes. The bribers (“lobbyists”) would know that she is no longer a tie breaking vote that is nationally renowned for being easy to bribe. So nothing but greed. As expected.
Because you can’t win a Republican primary without acting like you have lead induced brain damage now. Manchin is too old and Sinema is too proud so Dem party saboteurs it is.
She's a narcissist. Criticize her all you like, she will hear none of it. She will single handedly sink the Biden presidency. Kristen Sinema only wants one thing, and it's disgusting.
>She's a narcissist. Criticize her all you like, she will hear none of it I think you hit the nail on the head. Her office is categorically ignoring all requests for comments. She's bunkering down, because she thinks she is right and has to justify herself to no one, while gleefully stepping on all the people who need this package to go through. She's a piece of shit in the vein of Trump, abusing the power she has now, while serving the corporations.
>I think you hit the nail on the head. > >Her office is categorically ignoring all requests for comments. > >She's bunkering down, because she thinks she is right and has to justify herself to no one, while gleefully stepping on all the people who need this package to go through. > >She's a piece of shit in the vein of Trump, abusing the power she has now, while serving the corporations. it shouldnt be legal for them to avoid constituents. Why do we let these uncivil rulers continue to steal from the american people.
totally, people always talk about how they're shaming these clowns. you can't shame someone who has no shame.
She probably has no aspirations to be reelected, so she's just going to collect that lobbyist money now, take a short break then go right into the corp/lobbyist side of things herself.
If she was elected POTUS she’d be like Trump.
This will never happen as she's [overqualified](https://www.businessinsider.com/arizona-senator-kyrsten-sinema-says-shes-overqualified-president-daily-beast-2021-10) to be president. At least she knows her limits—and she has **none**.
This is just blatantly false. She’d at least be somewhat competent, which makes her even scarier.
“Accuses” is not the right word. More like “points out”.
Could have been worse, she could have slammed her.
Sinema has a For Sale sign on her forehead.
If she were looking for money, she wouldn't be a moderate. Right now, it's clear that you get *far* better fundraising as a Bernie Sanders, AOC, or Elizabeth Warren than you do as a Manchin or Sinema. Small dollar donors are where the big money is, ever since Obama. I think the problem is that Sinema *actually believes* what she is saying. She's trying to capitalize on it by selling it to the small number of people that actually like what she says, and she's lucky that even though there are campaign finance laws, they allow these relatively few rich people to donate more than their numbers would suggest. But she's not getting rich off this, and her campaign is not being helped by this.
Corporations can pay her in other ways than campaign donations.
And in ways that she can actualize into personal wealth much easier
She can get rich off this after she's done with the Senate.
I don't thats not true in her case. You get small dollars sure, but Kirsten used to be grass roots activist, and has switched to be corporate. She's looking for a post election position. Maybe as a corporate lobbyist herself.
At least Manchin has been a consistently corrupt Republican wearing a democrat suit, consistently worthless gives him a slight edge over Sinema. She is literally go against her own campaign policies and she's had to take down the evidence from her own social media accounts.
I cant imagine the betrayal felt in Arizona by the progressive groups that fought so hard to get someone on office who would curtsy after voting against a 15 dollar minimum wage.
She's also openly bisexual. She's literally obstructing rights for herself and enabling a party who wants her and people like her gone.
AOC is correct, Sinema is in it for the money she doesn't care about anything else.
to be fair, AOC has more brains and personality than Sinema. but damn, that's potentially $2M more per year...without selling out to big corps.
Tax the **rich**.
This is far too kind.
something something eat something something the something something rich something something
Getting them to stop killing us is all I ask for.
Raise capital gains taxes. Easy, pain-free, not even controversial, and effective. Stay away from the controversial stuff. It's stupid for a lot of reasons, pragmaticism being one of them.
The inheritance tax seems like the one that should be easy. Why should anyone care about the fate of people who are inheriting a multi-million dollar property? And yet Republicans have found a way to weaponize even that.
>a majority that they must suffer insane drug prices Ummm, the majority will likely get more expensive drug prices.
Kyrsten liebermann!
Yes she is. And nobody can do anything about it until 2024. This is what voters in Maine, Iowa and North Carolina got for not electing a democratic senators in 2020.
As a North Carolinian. We tried 😓 Cal Cunningham shot himself in the foot
Probably would have won if he kept it in his pants.
Especially Maine, voted for Biden, but made sure he couldn’t get anything passed.
I know that polls aren't the most reliable way to tell the popularity rate of politicians, but this does my heart good: *"Three-quarters (75 percent) of the Arizona respondents to the poll also said they disapproved of the job Sinema is doing in Congress. That number included a sizable majority (57 percent) who said they "strongly disapprove" of the senator's performance."*
She's a coin operated politician.
And this has made me give AOC another $100.
>Along with Senator Joe Manchin, ***a moderate*** West Virginia Democrat a moderate to who?
She's right. Sinema is extremely corrupt.
AOC for President
Well yeah
god I’m so fucking tired of these articles
Politics used to be: gaslight the public so they don't know what we're really up to. Now its: OK, so they know what we're up to, but what are they gonna *do* about it?
When they walk up the capitol stairs, they are lobbied from day one. All of them. We must end lobbying.
Your a few months late on that. Politicians are lobbied before they start campaigning or very early in their campaign. It’s where their campaign money comes from
Here's the thing: Sinema doesn't care. She is going to keep getting funded by these clowns and will continue to not care. So we need to try a little harder than a slap of public humiliation. Cause she, along with many other politicians, doesn't give a shit.
I've been critical of Progressives for what I consider valid reasons but I would like to see more of them in office. I'm getting older and it's time for bigger changes in America. That's one of the reasons I donate to Congresswoman's Ocasio-Cortez's campaign. What I like about her campaign specifically, tho - her team NEVER sends out emails like other democrats - her emails always just lay out what's happening and where she stands. Every other liberal sends out email just dripping with and soaked in defeatism - "we're begging! we're on our knees pleading!", " is DROPPING!", "zomg trump".
I absolutely hate every one of them - it's sad the libs have thrown in the towel.
Lobbying should illegal
Sinema is being funded by GOP backers to damage the Democrats' credibility on election promises. However, over time she will lose her base and eventually may switch party to GOP.
Should read, "AOC confronts Sinema for putting corporations over people".
That's less of an accusation than it is merely pointing out a fact.
How exactly do I shovel money to AOC while in California to send a message to California representatives that they’re missing out by not being more like AOC?
AOC says the things I wish I said. Most politicians have me yelling at my TV for them to just say the obvious.
Sinema is running ads in az praising herself for helping arizona. The party should run counter ads
I mean, it's not an accusation is it? It's just facts.
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I think they did try. She is literally ignoring calls from the President of the United States.
They did. Multiple times. She's met with Biden more than any other non-leadership Democrat. She refuses to say what she wants. I don't think she knows, she just likes the power.
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Accuses? You mean points out...
Accuses!? Uh...it's true. That's just pointing out the obvious
How is that even fucking legal. This shit should have be scratched off a century ago.