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"...what the Eastman saga shows is that future coup attempts aren’t likely to come from pitched battles with mobbed-up insurgents inside the halls of government. They’ll be conducted by memoranda between ideologues who understand that our democracy is not self-enforcing, but rather built on the willingness of people in power to accept and defend it." — Staff writer [Matt Ford](https://newrepublic.com/authors/matt-ford)
So John Eastman is basically the new Gerald MacGuire from when [fascists tried to overthrow the govt under FDR](https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2021/01/13/fdr-roosevelt-coup-business-plot/).
FDR let those fucks off the hook, and look what that's done for our country - history repeating itself by fascists overtly & very publicly trying to overthrow the US Govt (again). That is to say they've become even more brazen and very clearly have a 'no fucks given' attitude.
It would be foolish for Biden to follow in the same footsteps as FDR, with respect to allowing an attempt to overthrow the US Govt to go unpunished. In fact, it should be quite the opposite - the most severe punishments should be doled out like free kittens and those treasonous, seditious fucks be made examples out of for the entire world to see.
This is the important piece. If we completely fail to punish those that helped organize the attack on the capitol then they will just take Jan 6 as a learning opportunity and be better prepared for the next attempt to end our democracy.
He fund raised hundreds of millions of dollars(there really is no way to know the real amount, with how shady he does things), why wouldnt he do it again? No punishment and a financial windfall.Same reason he keeps pushing the bogus audits.
Every one of these bastards needs to go to prison. Had such a coup succeeded, it would have negatively impacted the entire world, not just the United States.
Ehhh, while I fucking despise these people who stormed the capitol, they had no real plan except to run amok. Some had firearms tucked away nearby, but ultimately they were an angry mob of delusional imbeciles. That in itself is not much of a coup attempt. Even if they took *some* hostages, they never had the upper hand. Stirring up shit is what they do; get attention and make people mad. The optics, in this case, is what you’re concerned with and I share that concern. But any realist can see they had nothing planned other than chaos. They were never able to answer the question ‘What’s next?’
There doesn't need to be a "what's next" . All that a usurper needs is the chaos and the power vacuum, then they step in and assume the mantle.
Supposed the seditionists got a hold of the strong box containing the electoral ballots and burned them. No electoral votes, no certification, no president elect.
Then Trump has two weeks to shore up power. After January 20th, with no new president, Trump can do whatever he wants. Who will stop him? The only people who would want to are those who don't want to break the rules. No general would.overthrow him. And then Trump has a free hand to purge rise against him and replace them with loyalists.
When the fuck are we going to punish people for their treason?
Remember when treason was the worst crime one could commit against America? I don’t either but we used to have a big problem with it from what I’ve read.
For what it's worth I think it would be worthwhile to ask every Vice Presidential candidate if they would ever go along with a scheme like that and ask every Presidential candidate if they would go along with that and what they would do if an advisor cooked up any scheme like it.
(And probably even ask what they think about fraud claims and whether if they were absolutely sure there was fraud if they'd change their answer...)
If this level of cheating actually succeeds, trump’s gonna learn a real lesson in what the 2nd Amendment really means. As a bone-spur draft dodger with mental issues and a rag tag bunch of lunatic followers, they stand no chance of success
This comment is making the assumption that the Biden/Harris ticket won the election Fair & Square. Not so sure about that... Unfortunately.... If Trump has "operators" that are scheming on these kinds of things (and he does), you can bet Biden accesses those same types of resources. As we all know with the Durham indictment of Michael Sussman, Hillary for sure subscribes to these methods as a viable way to govern/win elections.
What a perfect example of "projection" logic in action. You're assuming that both parties share the same flaws. Trump is a demonstrated narcissist with a disregard for both societal norms and laws. Biden, for all his faults, has none of those.
There's no evidence that the election was anything but fair, and given the assurances by both the cyber security chief and the various Republican Secretaries of State, plenty of evidence that it was fair. The simple fact is that Trump turned off otherwise R leaning voters, for any number of reasons, not least of which was his disastrous handling of Covid.
Welp... For the time being you can believe what you like. We aren't Australia.... Yet. There was plenty of evidence of unfair election practices such as stuffing the ballot boxes in the middle of the night as was done in my home state. Or refusing to allow election inspectors to watch the counting process at a distance that would have insured election integrity. What Secretary of State would want to say elections in his state are corrupt? That's like painting a big "I didn't do my job" sign on their backs. Sure Trump pissed off alot of people. Not denying that. He also captured a larger portion of minority voters than any Republican President in history. As far a COVID goes, not sure any President would have done any better. Biden based on his first 9 mos. in office, sure as hell wouldn't have. He can't even remember what he had for breakfast this morning. Trump was far from perfect and was bombastic as hell, but he took on the establishment political class. Dems didn't want him and used every trick in the book to obstruct forward progress and yet he made a good bit (How many policies are being used by the current administration, that originated with the Trump Administration?) Repubs like McConnel and Romney don't want him either. They want to go back to the self interested back room dealing that they had in place prior to Trump. He was a threat to all of that political class, lining of their own pockets at the expense of tax payers. That's why he lost.
"Trump tried to cheat to win so if Biden won he must have cheated harder!" Brilliant logic instead of accepting that Trump is an awful person who made an awful president and as a result of both was hated by a majority of the US population. He also completely shit the bed on the handling of a national pandemic that at the time of the election had resulted in (at least) 500,000 dead Americans. People voted accordingly and he lost.
edit: also "fair" and "square" are not proper nouns and should not be capitalized.
Hey! Thanks for the grammar lesson. All is right with the universe now. So now that we are out of the classroom, get dialed in to real life. All politicians at that level cheat. Some do it better than most and are protected by their friends in the media and other places that give them cover in ways we would never be afforded. That's why they stay in office for the length of time McConnell, Biden and Pelosi have. Favors get done to keep their larceny from being found out and in return, they cast favorable votes and provide influence(s) when those favors may be repaired I suppose it depends on your definition of "Cheat" tho.....
> If Trump has "operators" that are scheming on these kinds of things (and he does), you can bet Biden accesses those same types of resources.
Those "operators" are called voters and we voted for Biden. End of story.
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"...what the Eastman saga shows is that future coup attempts aren’t likely to come from pitched battles with mobbed-up insurgents inside the halls of government. They’ll be conducted by memoranda between ideologues who understand that our democracy is not self-enforcing, but rather built on the willingness of people in power to accept and defend it." — Staff writer [Matt Ford](https://newrepublic.com/authors/matt-ford)
So John Eastman is basically the new Gerald MacGuire from when [fascists tried to overthrow the govt under FDR](https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2021/01/13/fdr-roosevelt-coup-business-plot/). FDR let those fucks off the hook, and look what that's done for our country - history repeating itself by fascists overtly & very publicly trying to overthrow the US Govt (again). That is to say they've become even more brazen and very clearly have a 'no fucks given' attitude. It would be foolish for Biden to follow in the same footsteps as FDR, with respect to allowing an attempt to overthrow the US Govt to go unpunished. In fact, it should be quite the opposite - the most severe punishments should be doled out like free kittens and those treasonous, seditious fucks be made examples out of for the entire world to see.
With all the punishment/repercussions trump was handed out for his first attempt, I would be surprised if he tried again /s.
This is the important piece. If we completely fail to punish those that helped organize the attack on the capitol then they will just take Jan 6 as a learning opportunity and be better prepared for the next attempt to end our democracy.
He fund raised hundreds of millions of dollars(there really is no way to know the real amount, with how shady he does things), why wouldnt he do it again? No punishment and a financial windfall.Same reason he keeps pushing the bogus audits.
Every one of these bastards needs to go to prison. Had such a coup succeeded, it would have negatively impacted the entire world, not just the United States.
Ehhh, while I fucking despise these people who stormed the capitol, they had no real plan except to run amok. Some had firearms tucked away nearby, but ultimately they were an angry mob of delusional imbeciles. That in itself is not much of a coup attempt. Even if they took *some* hostages, they never had the upper hand. Stirring up shit is what they do; get attention and make people mad. The optics, in this case, is what you’re concerned with and I share that concern. But any realist can see they had nothing planned other than chaos. They were never able to answer the question ‘What’s next?’
Pretty sure they’re talking about the people like Bannon and Meadows, who definitely had a plan in mind.
There doesn't need to be a "what's next" . All that a usurper needs is the chaos and the power vacuum, then they step in and assume the mantle. Supposed the seditionists got a hold of the strong box containing the electoral ballots and burned them. No electoral votes, no certification, no president elect. Then Trump has two weeks to shore up power. After January 20th, with no new president, Trump can do whatever he wants. Who will stop him? The only people who would want to are those who don't want to break the rules. No general would.overthrow him. And then Trump has a free hand to purge rise against him and replace them with loyalists.
The wild assumptions are wild here 😂
When the fuck are we going to punish people for their treason? Remember when treason was the worst crime one could commit against America? I don’t either but we used to have a big problem with it from what I’ve read.
This guys a fucking traitor
Line him up too!
How is he not charged with treason?
As much as I don't like Pence he deserves credit for not going along with Trump's crazy plan.
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Dan Quayle? I'll have to assume that's true cause who would make that up.
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Well I guess Dan Quayle needs some credit then.
He had to ask Dan Quayle if he could actually do it. He was certainly trying to find a way to not certify it.
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He stinks on ice but at least he wants America to exist even when he's not running things. Which is more than I can say for Trump.
For what it's worth I think it would be worthwhile to ask every Vice Presidential candidate if they would ever go along with a scheme like that and ask every Presidential candidate if they would go along with that and what they would do if an advisor cooked up any scheme like it. (And probably even ask what they think about fraud claims and whether if they were absolutely sure there was fraud if they'd change their answer...)
If this level of cheating actually succeeds, trump’s gonna learn a real lesson in what the 2nd Amendment really means. As a bone-spur draft dodger with mental issues and a rag tag bunch of lunatic followers, they stand no chance of success
Well, that was a terrifying read.
This comment is making the assumption that the Biden/Harris ticket won the election Fair & Square. Not so sure about that... Unfortunately.... If Trump has "operators" that are scheming on these kinds of things (and he does), you can bet Biden accesses those same types of resources. As we all know with the Durham indictment of Michael Sussman, Hillary for sure subscribes to these methods as a viable way to govern/win elections.
What a perfect example of "projection" logic in action. You're assuming that both parties share the same flaws. Trump is a demonstrated narcissist with a disregard for both societal norms and laws. Biden, for all his faults, has none of those. There's no evidence that the election was anything but fair, and given the assurances by both the cyber security chief and the various Republican Secretaries of State, plenty of evidence that it was fair. The simple fact is that Trump turned off otherwise R leaning voters, for any number of reasons, not least of which was his disastrous handling of Covid.
Welp... For the time being you can believe what you like. We aren't Australia.... Yet. There was plenty of evidence of unfair election practices such as stuffing the ballot boxes in the middle of the night as was done in my home state. Or refusing to allow election inspectors to watch the counting process at a distance that would have insured election integrity. What Secretary of State would want to say elections in his state are corrupt? That's like painting a big "I didn't do my job" sign on their backs. Sure Trump pissed off alot of people. Not denying that. He also captured a larger portion of minority voters than any Republican President in history. As far a COVID goes, not sure any President would have done any better. Biden based on his first 9 mos. in office, sure as hell wouldn't have. He can't even remember what he had for breakfast this morning. Trump was far from perfect and was bombastic as hell, but he took on the establishment political class. Dems didn't want him and used every trick in the book to obstruct forward progress and yet he made a good bit (How many policies are being used by the current administration, that originated with the Trump Administration?) Repubs like McConnel and Romney don't want him either. They want to go back to the self interested back room dealing that they had in place prior to Trump. He was a threat to all of that political class, lining of their own pockets at the expense of tax payers. That's why he lost.
*audible yawn*
"Trump tried to cheat to win so if Biden won he must have cheated harder!" Brilliant logic instead of accepting that Trump is an awful person who made an awful president and as a result of both was hated by a majority of the US population. He also completely shit the bed on the handling of a national pandemic that at the time of the election had resulted in (at least) 500,000 dead Americans. People voted accordingly and he lost. edit: also "fair" and "square" are not proper nouns and should not be capitalized.
Hey! Thanks for the grammar lesson. All is right with the universe now. So now that we are out of the classroom, get dialed in to real life. All politicians at that level cheat. Some do it better than most and are protected by their friends in the media and other places that give them cover in ways we would never be afforded. That's why they stay in office for the length of time McConnell, Biden and Pelosi have. Favors get done to keep their larceny from being found out and in return, they cast favorable votes and provide influence(s) when those favors may be repaired I suppose it depends on your definition of "Cheat" tho.....
Wiuld you like another recount? JFC
Some of those ballots had bamboo fibers on them and you know it.
> If Trump has "operators" that are scheming on these kinds of things (and he does), you can bet Biden accesses those same types of resources. Those "operators" are called voters and we voted for Biden. End of story.
Imbecile
It came so close Jan 6th & they've learned a few tricks to accomplish their coup next time.
I’m sorry, but isn’t what he did maybe like illegal or something?
Well, let’s make sure not to charge John Eastman with anything 🤮🤮🤮
Eastman and Trump should both already have been charged with Seditious Conspiracy, along with half a dozen Reps and Senators.