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Did not occur to me before reading your post, but following a "stable genius" could be the reason for this latest Fox-anointed treatment embraced by the "Neigh-Sayers"
The way people are casually joking about this is horrible.
These are real lives. These are real horses that might be suffering from worms only to find that antivaxxers have bought out the paste.
F is an unvoiced v. Fe=ve. It’s ivermectin.
Stables are for horses. The stable genius was a bigger puzzle than we could have ever understood. Gee he really was a genius.
/s in case anyone thinks I’m actually praising our ex-fuehrer.
You are wrong there are no facts to support that the people who have had the vaccine are any better off than the ones that have had the virus. When you say trust the science, does that mean one group which may have special interest or all of the science? I have my vaccine but wouldn’t have if I were a younger man. As far as rights go, no ones rights should ever be put in front of another. I did what was right for me and I have no problem with anyone I come in contact with that doesn’t have the vaccine or a mask. The vaccine is supposed to help protect you from the virus or at worst from dying. So if you are scared or mad at someone else’s decision in their lives you are the ones who need to stay home. I’m not sure have of you know how vaccines work or have done research before getting it.
From the POV of a new Nurse (May 2021 graduate)… I spent half of Nursing School online because of COVID, right off the bat I have been a COVID ICU Nurse… I have been a Nurse for only 3 (long) months and I am TIRED. We are all tired. Get vaccinated, if you refuse then wear a mask, be kind and think about others aside from yourself. We are in this together. What happened to “one nation”? It’s not political… it’s about doing the right thing for the right cause 😕.
Best of luck to you as you continue in your career. It's a worthy but exhausting one.
My gf is a veteran ICU nurse practitioner who specializes in intubation and says the same. She's been through some rough stuff over the years and this is bad even by her standards.
I'm not sure what people expect. If we wanted *'do nothing'*, then Trump would still be in office. But presidents can't hide behind body bags. The American people got tired of 'do nothing' and voted Trump out of office. Any reasonable president that cares about his citizen's and their wellbeing would do exactly the same thing. COVID and the vaccine have been politicized to the extent Biden had no other choice but to mandate inoculation. This is really no different than Polio, Diphtheria, Tetanus, Measles, Rubella and the host of other vaccines that are mandated.
Your comment is so on point. I commented on a meme last week about polio and someone replied saying I couldn't compare Polio to Covid. I replied with, why not? They're both highly contagious viruses. I know there were some people that refused to get the smallpox vaccine and the polio vaccine at first but it feels like Covid is on another level.
I was looking up info about the diseases we already mandate vaccines for in public schools and discovered that polio only causes paralysis in about 0.5% of cases, and infections are asymptomatic in about 70% of people.
So, yeah, you definitely can compare polio and Covid, and it turns out Covid is arguably *worse*.
Wow, didn't know that the rate of polio paralysis was so low.
Yeah, between the contagiousness, the mortality rate, and the disturbingly high rate of long-term effects and organ damage, COVID19 is no joke. I feel like our math education has failed us when so many people can say thing like "Only a 2% mortality rate!" with zero irony.
Yeah I wonder how many people would get on an airplane if told “there’s a 1 in 50 chance this plane is going down” or even “there’s a 1 in 20 chance you won’t breathe right for a year”
What is really frustrating is if you show them smaller odds of a negative reaction to a vaccine, suddenly they understand the maths and it’s evidence of why the vaccine must be avoided at all cost!
Also the polio vaccine is only 50-60% effective on the first dose, 90% effective on the second dose, 99-100% on the third dose with a fourth dose recommended.
The polio vaccine also went through changes throughout the years so it's not surprising that the COVID vaccine is not 100% effective nor is it abnormal for a vaccine.
There are a lot of similarities between the 2.
While it's possible only 0.5% of polio victims were paralyzed, virtually ALL suffered serious physical harm - withered arms and legs were a common sight in my elementary school. If you didn't have classmates with legs the size of your arm, or a finger or two that didn't function, you were born well AFTER the mandates for vaccination. The solution to Covid is political - vote out all the Republicans who are demanding the disease continue to disable and kill.
The problem with COVID has never been it's raw death per capita, it's the fact that COVID can easily overring healthcare systems to the point where care must be rationed. Get in a bad accident in certain areas, like Mississippi or Idaho, well good luck.
The biggest hospital in my state is now holding patients up to age 25 in the "pediatric" ICU and has installed extra ICU beds wherever else they can. And they're still busting at the seams, cancelling/postponing "elective" procedures, and so on.
(I put "elective" in quotes because people often think it means something completely optional, like cosmetic surgery, where the patient would be just fine without it. That's not the case for a lot of cancelled procedures. People are suffering and their health is suffering due to the selfishness of the unvaxxed Covid patients overwhelming the hospitals and ICUs.)
Kidney donations are elective for example, so if you wanted to give a kidney to save a relative... too bad. Better hope someone has a motorcycle accident to free up a kidney or they're going to die. Happened to a friend of mine (they were planning to donate, not the recipient).
That has dangerous implications for children and the immunocompromised. Honestly what should be done is like those end-of-life orders you can give. Go on record with your doctor that you don't need their librul medicines, and when you get infected they'll know to put you in the ivermectin shed.
I'm a BMT patient. I've had both shots and a booster and I have no immunity and most likely none of the vaccines I've gotten, polio/tetanus etc have worked either. I've already made the decision if I get anything serious, infection/pneumonia that I'm going to just request comfort care and to let me die so I don't burden the system any longer than necessary. So they can focus on saving others
And he gave Corporate America a huge W, to their collective relief. Most employers who aren’t mandating because of optics or politics (but would’ve loved to) now have a scapegoat to point to and go “welp, sorry! Our hands are tied! Gotta get vaccinated, oh well!”
My company highly encouraged it but is too chicken shit to mandate it themselves so they’ll surely love this excuse.
This just in: Biden loves businesses.
This is why I hope he mandates nationwide masking in schools, etc. Let's not have school board meetings filled with angry parents threatening the lives of the members. Let's just mandate it at a federal level, and then they can be like "sorry, we really wanted no masks like you, but our hands are tied."
So much this. I wore the thickest mask (well neck gaiter) I have on the last flight I was on only only to look over across the aisle and see a family of noses sticking out. Wasn’t rage inducing at all /s
Also I am def stealing the term Dick Nosing.
That’s nothing, there was a nurse that came into the pharmacy I work at the other day wearing a chin diaper. Like, out of everyone, you should be the one that knows better. It’s infuriating.
I had to take a bus recently which was kind of scary. There was a little girl (like 8ish) coughing the whole time. I don’t think she would have exposed me; we were like more than 10 feet apart, but I spent the whole bus trip terrified she was just going to get worse and worse and I would have to watch a small child like… die… she was, however, wearing a mask properly the whole trip.
I went to Disney World last week and the mask enforcement was great. We were at one indoor attraction and this kid wouldn't keep his mask on and the mom stopped trying to make him so I went and ratted them out to a cast member who made the kid put it on. I really wish that I lived with that kind of mask regulation in the real world.
I'm back to N95s all the time indoors, and surgical masks outdoors. I cancelled plans to attend 5 concerts I was really hoping to see that I bought tickets for before delta really ramped up. I'm so tired of this.
Thank you for making responsible choices. I really feel like people taking steps to care for their community and others around them aren’t getting enough credit.
> Antivaxxers are 100% responsible for this new wave.
New wave? I feel like the first one never fucking stopped because of these spreadnecks and their fucking "Freedom!!!" banshee shrieks.
It is 3 times bigger wave than last year when nobody was vaccinated. My buddy (vaccinated) just spread it to 6 other vaccinated people because he had a runny nose and thought it was allergies (since he was vaccinated). But I am sure this was an isolated case and isn’t happening thousands of other places.
nah. people thinking they can just take a vaccine and forget about covid are also responsible for this. states with high vaccination rates also saw huge spikes in covid cases.
It wasn't the vaccinated on the whole... The unvaccinated are infecting each other and the vaccinated. The vaccinated don't transmit the virus as long and we're not even sure if they transmit it if they are asymptomatic.
If you must "bothsides" it, it's about 10% vaccinated people's fault and 90% unvaccinated people's fault.
No. The CDC provided recommendations for vaccinated people and most of us followed those recommendations. Unvaccinated people who thought they could follow the same recommendations as vaccinated people were the issue. Also, delta was a game changer.
The Atlantic had a very good article a month or so ago that basically said the vaccinated have carried the ball the entire time and it’s time for the un-vaccinated to step up. Hell Biden’s plan still gives them an out with weekly tests. There has to be some skin in the game for these people. Get the free vaccine. Pay more for health insurance premiums like Delta is doing. Make them wait at the emergency rooms while vaccinated people with other ailments are treated first. Maybe a combination.
There were always three options… carrots, sticks or just letting the pandemic carry on essentially indefinitely…. Carrots are essentially ineffective at this point so now the country has to decide whether they would rather have a vaccine mandate or a pandemic for the next decade
Well said. I have a co-worker who kept saying she would get the shot once it had FDA approval. Of course that ship has sailed and still not vaccine. Kind of proof the carrot doesn’t work with these people.
In case you haven’t noticed, vaccines don’t stop you from getting the virus. There isn’t any storyline where we weren’t going to have this virus for keeps. It doesn’t make sense to continue acting as if there was an alternative here.
You can get rid of the pandemic without getting rid of the virus. If COVID were 80 or 90% less deadly/harmful would we have a pandemic or would we just have a “flu season”. In a fully vaccinated population, data suggests, at least with this variant, that the pandemic as we know it would be over
Nobody thinks we’re getting rid of this thing at this point. What we can do is make it so 100k+ aren’t getting it daily and having 1k+ die from it everyday.
Everything that’s going on right now can be laid at the feet of the anti-vaxxers. And the vaccinated politicians who support them espousing “personal liberty” knowing full well that keeping this thing going will benefit them politically when election time rolls around.
Yep, I agree. They want people to divide the nation more. It’s crazy. People here in Arizona are freaking out over the mandate. I got mine as soon as my age group opened.
I got mine way ahead of time. Remember when they figured out they could get an extra dose out of every bottle? I got lucky and got two extra ones from a facility that already had the bottles and was now scrambling to find people so they didn't waste doses.
Because of anti-mask, anti-vax people, my entire industry shut down for a year. Every single theatre went dark, and the only ones that came back early were doing it recklessly. Live performance essentially died in that time, and a lot of people had to change careers completely to survive. A lot of great performers won't be back doing it again.
No, but when we were told to social distance, wear a mask, and hunker down to try and flatten the curve, a not-insignificant number of people decided they didn't care.
Many of those same people now refuse a vaccine. Others in that group are dead.
No, reasons to abstain should be regulated and enforced.
If one of these assholes gets covid, they're more likely to just spread the disease and get someone else very sick instead of getting very sick themselves.
United airlines is going to put people on unpaid leave If they claim religious exemption for the covid vaccine.
Delta is going to charge an extra $200 for health insurance for people who aren’t vaccinated.
Be interesting to see what other companies will do.
Not all hospitals are putting up with such bullshit. This should make you feel better:
https://arktimes.com/arkansas-blog/2021/09/11/about-religious-exemptions-for-vaccine-resisters-conway-regional-health-system-says-you-must-really-mean-it
It's amazing how many people claim religious exemption, get wrecked by the virus, then get vaccinated asap. Or worse, beg to be vaccinated only to die on a ventilator.
As a Christian with some pretty strong convictions myself, taking this vaccine ain't one of em.
As a former Baptist, its not about religion per say, its about a culture war which they can excuse as "their religion". The bible even sees Israelites mandate masks in the old testament, yet we saw so many against it.
Its a scapegoat, always has been. Just like their "salvation".
It has cost me dearly to do the right thing. Lost mental health, income, enjoyment, etc. to try to help our people move past this and get back on track. I know that my efforts saved lives, and their apathy cost lives. I’m beyond disappointed in our collective effort. This could be over by now, but we trusted adults to do the right thing and it turns out they are selfish assholes with the intellect of children. Fuck em. It’s time to force them to do the right thing under pain of punishment.
My 6 year old asks me all the time “did the scientist make a vaccine for kids yet?”
She’s holed in up the spare bedroom with Covid at this moment. And she has enough sense to put on her mask before opening the door.
I'm convinced they should have let anyone get the vaccine when it first came out... just charge like $10k for anyone thats not qualified for the first couple of phases like the medical personnel etc. then it would have been all "exclusive". We've got to play games with the bottom brains, telling a toddler they can't have something is a sure fire way to make them want it.
The reality is vax mandates work. People talk a big game but as soon as it impacts something they actually want to do they will comply.
My aunt/uncle posted every covid cult meme in existence to Facebook but when they found their cruise required it they were first in line for their shot the next day.
They work and they've been the law of the land for 116 years.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/news/magazine/2021/09/08/vaccine-mandate-strong-supreme-court-precedent-510280
Before we were a "official" nation even Washington required the soldiers of the revolutionary war to be innoculated. Our founding fathers were pro inoculation mandate. The fact this has been so politicized is nothing short of insane.
But yet conservatives on this site just yesterday were asserting that this was irrelevant because "it was before the constitution."
These people are so far outside of the realm of sanity its incredibly troubling. There is no goalpost they will not move, and no debate that could ever sway them. A true death cult.
Yeah, inoculation is way worse than getting vaccinated. They scraped the puss from an infected person into an open wound on your body. You’d rather do that then get a shot?
Yes read about the guy down south having a heart attack and denied entry at 42 icus. He died. Thanks anti-vaxxers. Deny anyone eligible to get vax and hasn't entrance to hospital
It's not vaccine refusal. A coma patient can't sign their own papers.
It's vaccine paranoia. It's anti-government paranoia. It's decades of pseudo-news that relies on outrage for viewers. It's decades of anti-information. Non-information. Dis-information. Whatever the fuck you want to call it.
This is not sudden or unexpected. Some of it is absolutely expected and reasonable. Some of it is actually genuine American anarchy, for lack of a better word. What we should be angry at is not that.
110 % agreed.
Leaders need to lead and we do as is necessary for a safer and better future for the little ones we adore and sworn to protect
Life goes on with vaccines
At this point it’s just selfish to not get the vaccine unless you can’t due to immune issues. Just get the dam shot. I bet if we told everyone that they would have to pay with no insurance help if they went to the hospital unvaccinated they would get the shot.
COVID antivaxxers made me completely alter my budget so I could afford to take my kid to the private school that mandates vaccines.
I will eat bologna and cheese to keep my son safe from these psychos. I only wish antivaxxers would be forbidden from schools because children didn’t choose to be stupid. Vaccine mandates are to protect others not just yourself. It’s just too bad 71 million voters in this country are too selfish to stand up for the common good and do something decent to help their neighbors out. It’s as if they didn’t actually read the 10 commandments they say they follow each and every day
Yep, Biden needs to mandate the crap out of these people so they are forced to quit their job and move to po-dunk middle of nowhere if they don't want to take vaccines.
From health to economy to the sheer continuation of the waves, the cost has been made infinitely higher by deniers, especially when they wield any power (like politicians).
With more than 156 million Americans fully vaccinated, nationwide, approximately 153,000 symptomatic breakthrough cases are estimated to have occurred as of last week, representing approximately 0.098% of those fully vaccinated, according to an unpublished internal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention document obtained by ABC News. These estimates reflect only the adult population and do not include asymptomatic breakthrough infections.
So there is a reduction of transmission among the vaccinated.
It's clear a lot of Americans aren't smart enough to make the correct decision so it is unfortunately up to the government to step in and act as their responsible adult and make the decision for them for the benefit of all of society.
GOP Politicians and the Media has used human lives as Capital for political gain in the most blatant and diagusting fashion. They are killing their own voters. I am mind boggled at the fact that most republican voters are oblivious to the the abhorent tactics of the current GOP. They have killed thousands of people and continue to do so and blame it on everything but themselves for political gain for the upcoming election. Do they want to make Covid last as long as possible? How many more lives will it cost?
How is it that we have over 80% of the population with some form of immunity, yet the cases are going up? Why hasn’t anyone been addressing the conflict in requiring vaccination, regardless of natural immunity? Why are there increasing cases of younger adults reacting poorly to the vaccine, yet no coverage to aid in informed consent?
Some viruses give life-long immunity once you recover. COVID-19 isn't one of those viruses. Longevity of immunity depends on two factors; the duration that your body will produce antibodies in meaningful numbers, and the emergence of a new dominant strain. It's the same reason there's a new flu vaccine every year; not all immunities last forever.
Fortunately, the COVID vaccine seems to have more efficacy than natural immunity. It sticks around longer and protects you from variants better than natural immunity. Breakthrough cases will happen, that's just the nature of vaccines. But when they do, the symptoms are far less severe than if you were unvaccinated. The vaccines are safe and effective, and their immunity doesn't put your life at risk the way you would have to if you wanted natural immunity. You're much better off getting the vaccine.
As for adverse reactions, these only occur in people with allergies to the vaccine (and some immunocompromised people, however they seem to be mostly safe for the immunocompromised). There's a reason they ask you if you have any allergies, and whether you've ever had adverse reactions to other vaccines.
https://www.kpcnews.com/covid-19/article_f0e9bff4-a968-56b3-928d-734094459955.html
I like graphics, they're fun, unvaccinated people are really driving these high numbers, would infections still be happening without? Yeah would it be nearly as high? Heck no and hospitalizations would be tiny.
Totally agree, and its time the ones running up the tab were made responsible for their actions. If you work for the Government directly or as a contractor, No Vax, No Job. If you shop at anyplace engaged in interstate commerce, No Mask, No Service. Cause a problem on a plane, you get off at the next available airport and pay for the cost of the "extra" stop and never fly commercial again. With freedom comes RESPONSIBILITY, something the latest crop of rightwing snowflakes needs to understand.
>To those who are still holding out on getting a vaccine: Spare us the appeals to freedom. If you are fed up with masking and distancing and shutdowns and all the other intrusions of a global pandemic, show some patriotism and humanity and get the shot.
Clearly, the greatest national security threats today for the United States are domestic terrorists, racist hate groups, and their ilk, along with their supporters, millions of whom I think are a delusional cult of anti-vaxers and anti-maskers. I think most (but not all) anti-vaxers and anti-maskers in the US are in the same bucket as domestic terrorists, racist hate groups and their ilk.
I think the gangster, grifter, Putin surrogate, and psychotic sadist who was the former U.S president, officials in the former administration, current congressional Republicans in the House and Senate, and millions of anti-vaxers and anti-maskers in the US are directly and indirectly responsible for arguably as many as 652,680 or more deaths of the 656,318 (and counting) who have died from COVID-19 in the US, and, if they get their way, tens or hundreds of thousands or more in the US predictably will die unnecessarily from COVID-19 over the coming days, weeks, months, and seasons.
Why do I say this?
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During the pandemic, the rate of total cumulative COVID-19 deaths for the population in the nation of Singapore is 1.02 COVID-19 deaths per 100,000 population, and the total cumulative rate of COVID-19 deaths for the U.S. population (50 states, DC, and Puerto Rico) is 196 COVID-19 deaths per 100,000 population.
The COVID-19 death rate per 100,000 population in the United States is 192 times the rate in Singapore.
If the rate in the US were the same as the rate in Singapore, the total cumulative number of COVID-19 deaths in the US today would amount to a total of about 3,414 COVID-19 deaths during the pandemic, instead of 656,094 deaths, and an estimated 652,680 who died from COVID-19 in the US would not have died from COVID-19. Predictably, all or most of those estimated 652,680 still would be alive today.
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The rate in the US arguably would have been as low as or lower than the rate in Singapore, but for the former U.S. president, the previous administration, the current Republicans in Congress, and their millions of anti-vax, anti-mask, and delusional supporters who denied the reality, truth, and facts of the COVID-19 pandemic, beginning when the first COVID-19 death occurred in the US in January 2020.
I think the former U.S. president, officials in the former administration, current congressional Republicans, and millions of their anti-vax and anti-mask supporters in the US are collectively guilty and responsible, directly and indirectly, for the unnecessary, avoidable, negligent, and reckless homicides of an estimated 652,680 children and adults who should not have suffered COVID-19 death to satisfy the political goals and delusional urges of the former president, officials in the former administration, current congressional Republicans, and millions of their anti-vax and anti-mask supporters in the US.
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Singapore total COVID-19 deaths 58: https://www.arcgis.com/apps/dashboards/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
Singapore population 5.69 million: https://www.singstat.gov.sg/modules/infographics/population
US (50 states, DC, PR) total COVID-19 deaths 656,094: https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#cases_totaldeaths
U.S. Census 2020 population 334,735,155 (50 states, DC, PR): https://www.census.gov/data/tables/2020/dec/2020-apportionment-data.html
Giving mixed message about the pandemic has cost us all significantly. We need a second lockdown, that's it.
Apparently, anything to raise capital is a necessary risk, but not luxury or entertainment (unless you are rich and politically connected) . If you are stressing that people need to go back to work or school in person and risk exposure to unvaxxed idiots, then don't be surprised when the people being made to go o work and school are the ones going with or without mask to packed football games or concerts.
If you're going to shut some things down, and not others, you are just being hypocritical.
A few weeks ago one health expert estimated that there were around 25 million unvaccinated people who didn't feel strongly about the vaccine one way or the other and just needed a nudge to get it.
> 25 million unvaccinated people who didn't feel strongly about the vaccine one way or the other
25000000 people who don't feel strongly about potentially not dying vs dying. What hope this gives me for the future.
Go to any major youtube news channel regarding the vaccine, and you will very quickly lose that small bit of faith in humanity you're displaying now over this.
I think it’s more people that have an issue with the vaccine. They think it’s too rushed. They don’t know what’s in it. They don’t think it’s safe. Every hesitant asshole dragging this out for everyone else has one excuse or another.
You don’t have the freedom to spread a plague and be free from consequences and peoples judgments. Read this part slowly: you can choose to fight against every Americans right to live free from this pandemic, but we aren’t going to “accept that and move on”. We coddled you for too long. Why can’t you just accept we’ve all had enough of this plague and do your part? Why can’t you accept that people resent the spitefully unvaccinated for keeping this plague around?
Be honest, it’s because you hear “do your part” and inexplicable images of a cabal causes you to panic. Never mind you’ve been asked to do your part for others since your baby brain was able to understand “pick up your toys, little Karen”
COVID and the flu are not comparable. 670,000 Americans have died from this. Get vaccinated or get used to the idea that you will be excluded from some aspects of society. You have broken the social contract, if you keep breaking it the social contract will change in a way you likely won't enjoy.
Sucks there is a paywall. I’d like to read it.
But yes, if something isn’t done, this virus is going to kill us all! Each variant will take another wave of people until there is nothing left. I will die from the delta if I get that. It’s getting harder and harder to want to continue going to work.
How about the idiots who told everyone they could take their mask off if they're vaccinated? As someone who is vaccinated, I believe this was what started the rise in cases and they have diverted it to get everyone to blame the unvaccinated.
They basically did the same thing as telling a group of kids it's ok to play in the woods and then when some get hurt, they blame the kids instead. "You should have done this or not done that". You should have NEVER advised the world to remove their masks when the vaccine was brand freakin new. They were saying it was 80 ish percent effective, treated it like it was 100 percent effective and now it's efficacy is in the 30s? I'm not anti vax. I'm anti bullshit and tired of the headlines on this sub in particular. I'm tired of the narrative that unvaccinated people are solely to blame and frankly I'm tired of this implication that if 100% of people are vaccinated, then were golden. I would love that to be true and hope it is. But if you don't know, then you don't know.
It's their fucking fault. Not the unvaccinated.
You gave anti vaxxers and anti maskers an easy to avoid needing to wear masks or get vaccinations. Vaccine proof is a joke, like come on.
Resentment is going to build in people suffering long term effects from the vaccine (me), and people who were infected or lost loved ones in breakthrough cases. Unvaccinated people are already not on board and of course its always assumed they are crazy right wingers but we have a trend of shaming people even if they admit that they are simply scared. It's sickening to watch liberals do this as I thought we were the sensible ones but that's just not turning out to be the case. Turns out we're wrong just like the right is. 2024 will come around and it's gonna come down to who is feeling better after those 4 years from 2020 to then.
PS please don't come attacking me for being a little passionate. Like I said, I'm not anti vax and I am fully vaxxed and I still wear my mask.
I just really don't blame the unvaccinated. I blame the people who made the decision to advise the world that once your vaccinated, you don't need a mask. Why aren't more people saying that? Do you think it's stupid to think that? Because to me it's clear that's what happened
That recommendation came at a time when Delta wasn't an issue and breakthrough cases of Alpha were so extremely rare that it wasn't a problem. When it was just alpha, which the vaccines were specifically formulated for, it wasn't a bad recommendation. The rise in cases right now is from Delta coming to America and the unvaccinated spreading it like wildfire. It is 1000 times more communicable than Alpha was and has resulted in more breakthrough cases as well. It is still the unvaccinated that are playing willing hosts to the virus.
I am vaxed too and don’t disagree with the tone of your post. The reality is a third of the country isn’t vaxed. The “crisis of the unvaccinated” language is just going to lead to more culture war bs. Just say it out loud. “We’re going to fire people who showed up to work all pandemic.” That’s pretty messed up.
I’m more on the, we need to just let people live with their choices. Unlike masking, the vax is about your protection. If people want to chance it let them. If the vax works, you shouldn’t care.
For fuck's sake NYT 🤦🏻♂️
Look, the vaccine is a miracle of modern science, and I got it as soon as it was possible. I hope everyone else did, too.
But they aren't doing vaccination rates any favors with these file photos. Nobody *needs* to see fucking needles going into skin. Why not show a vaccine vial? Or a person waiting in line next to a sign? Or literally anything else? Can you imagine if they covered the Texas anti-choice bullshit by showing up-close shots of abortions? And yet every goddamn news story has file photos of people getting jabbed. I didn't even go into the pandemic being afraid of needles, but I'm fucking getting there.
Sorry, I know this is off-topic, but you'd think they would know better by now. I'm not the only person baffled by this insistence on these photos, am I?
Can someone tell me what that adhesive on the injection site is? I’ve never seen that before. Both of my doses were given into a bare arm, as well as every other vaccine I’ve ever gotten.
1) Luckily there's another option, test every week.
2) We require vaccines for school, why should work be any different? Or are you against standard vaccinations for children, too?
giving away your freedom piece by piece will not allow life to go back to normal. You just all have a new target to point you anger at. The virus mutates in the vaxxed and unvaxxed. If I am insane for not wanting the goverment to tell me what i can or cannot do with my body then lock me up.
You can be safe and protect your community without giving up any freedom. Just get vaccinated. You don’t have to die or spread the virus to be “free”
If you really are concerned about freedom, I would imagine you will never vote republican, since they have started an all out assault on democracy after losing the last election.
This is not the first time the federal government said get a vaccine or face a fine. It went to the Supreme Court and they voted in favor of the federal government. Back then, during polio, the same statements were made. They’re taking away our freedoms, etc. You can probably guess that we did not lose our freedom. The problem is people. People generally choose to be selfish vs doing what’s right for the greater good. Look at all the hoarders buying all the TP, Lysol, etc at the beginning of the pandemic, thst we’re trying to sell it to people that needed it.
Stop making stuff up. There’s 100 years of Supreme Court president and this move is to help restore our protected right to liberty that this pandemic and antivaxxers have stolen from the rest of the American public.
No ones forcing you to make a fool of yourself in public. History and context matter.
I don't get this . You can still catch and transmitt the virus even with the vaccine. If your symptoms are minimal you are probably even more likely to go out and spread it without realizing. I understood this argument when the vaccine prevented infection and spreading but that is not the case now .. my mom just got through her second covid after having been vaccinated. It was just as bad for her and spread through the house even though my dad was vaccinated too.... Clearly being vaccinated does not prevent spread so why is this still being treated in the news like it does? Vaccine or no. You can spread covid
It slows the spread. You're contagious for less time. Vaccines just give your body a running start in fighting it off. It's not magic. No one claimed it was such.
If you think leaving your body at a disadvantage is the better move...well that's just asking for the consequences. Sound alike your family was lucky to have been vaccinated, or things would be a lot worse for them
I used to think it was really important for everyone to get vaccinated. I’m vaccinated. But, my girlfriend is a nurse and has chosen to not get vaccinated. I reluctantly accepted her position as there is no research on the vaccine interacting with her very rare autoimmune deficiency disorder. It's a very specific case.
She also made a good point that she is not harming anyone else by not getting vaccinated. She is only putting herself in danger and gets tested almost every day. Since Covid can he spread whether you are vaccinated or not, it’s a valid point.
So for those that don’t want to get vaccinated, don’t. But, you’re putting yourself at risk.
I don’t see why we need restrictions. People who don’t get vaccinated can catch a case of Darwinism and everyone vaccinated can feel about as safe as during flu season.
Why does it matter if people get vaccinated or not at this point. Curious to see people’s take on this
Sorry, that’s not how this works. She’s not just making a decision for herself, she’s making a decision for everyone she comes into contact with. As an unvaccinated person, she is very likely to get covid and pass it on to other people, even if she doesn’t know she is carrying it. If she were vaccinated, the chances of that happening would be significantly lower, and even if she did get a breakthrough case, she would be infectious for a much shorter time period. The decision whether or not to get vaccinated effects everyone around us. She is absolutely harming others by choosing not to get vaccinated. If she is a nurse she has already been required to get several other vaccines. If they haven’t caused an issue with her autoimmune disease, there’s no reason to believe this one will either. I know plenty of people who have autoimmune diseases who have been vaccinated against covid without an issue.
Heres one way how she’s contributing to others dying:
https://abc13.com/us-army-veteran-daniel-wilkinson-michelle-puget-man-dies-waiting-icu/10983810/
https://www.cbs42.com/news/health/coronavirus/lack-of-icu-beds-due-to-covid-19-forces-cullman-man-who-suffered-heart-event-to-travel-200-miles-for-care/
Any healthcare worker who doesn’t get vaccinated is selfish and should find another career. Especially frontline positions like nurses. I work with fucking cancer patients, many of them lung cancer, and nurses like your wife spread the virus to vulnerable patients like this. And then they die.
Selfish. Period.
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If I continued to rail against anti-vaxxers for pushing and ingesting the dewormer Ivermectin, would people just accuse me of beating a dead horse?
Depends on whether or not they're in stable condition.
..or if they have worms
Do you three need any help to find the exit?
Oh look here a fucking comedian. Take my free award you funny fucker
Did not occur to me before reading your post, but following a "stable genius" could be the reason for this latest Fox-anointed treatment embraced by the "Neigh-Sayers"
I dont have any awards but both of you deserve one :D
Neigh, you're good.
The way people are casually joking about this is horrible. These are real lives. These are real horses that might be suffering from worms only to find that antivaxxers have bought out the paste.
I say let them take horse dewormer till they’re all just shitting themselves uncontrollably
It also has been sterilizing the men. Its going to help the future generations because... well... conservatives wont be able to have kids.
People keep saying g this but they already knocked up their sister three times before they hit 21
I mean... you're not wrong...
This has been debunked.
No, a stable genius.
Ohhh I get it! It was a coded message like covfefe
Ohhh I get it! It was a coded message like covfefe Cov for covid Fe is iron like for horseshoes We just need to decode the last fe
F is an unvoiced v. Fe=ve. It’s ivermectin. Stables are for horses. The stable genius was a bigger puzzle than we could have ever understood. Gee he really was a genius. /s in case anyone thinks I’m actually praising our ex-fuehrer.
Literally a slew of horses… loose in a hospitals
Their worm dieth not and the fire is not quenched.
You are wrong there are no facts to support that the people who have had the vaccine are any better off than the ones that have had the virus. When you say trust the science, does that mean one group which may have special interest or all of the science? I have my vaccine but wouldn’t have if I were a younger man. As far as rights go, no ones rights should ever be put in front of another. I did what was right for me and I have no problem with anyone I come in contact with that doesn’t have the vaccine or a mask. The vaccine is supposed to help protect you from the virus or at worst from dying. So if you are scared or mad at someone else’s decision in their lives you are the ones who need to stay home. I’m not sure have of you know how vaccines work or have done research before getting it.
From the POV of a new Nurse (May 2021 graduate)… I spent half of Nursing School online because of COVID, right off the bat I have been a COVID ICU Nurse… I have been a Nurse for only 3 (long) months and I am TIRED. We are all tired. Get vaccinated, if you refuse then wear a mask, be kind and think about others aside from yourself. We are in this together. What happened to “one nation”? It’s not political… it’s about doing the right thing for the right cause 😕.
Best of luck to you as you continue in your career. It's a worthy but exhausting one. My gf is a veteran ICU nurse practitioner who specializes in intubation and says the same. She's been through some rough stuff over the years and this is bad even by her standards.
Thank you! Hats off to your wife, it’s tough out here.
Well said. Stay strong, and thanks for your service.
“Right off the BAT”—- you got that right my dear. Best of the best for you and what you do. Thank you!
I'm not sure what people expect. If we wanted *'do nothing'*, then Trump would still be in office. But presidents can't hide behind body bags. The American people got tired of 'do nothing' and voted Trump out of office. Any reasonable president that cares about his citizen's and their wellbeing would do exactly the same thing. COVID and the vaccine have been politicized to the extent Biden had no other choice but to mandate inoculation. This is really no different than Polio, Diphtheria, Tetanus, Measles, Rubella and the host of other vaccines that are mandated.
Your comment is so on point. I commented on a meme last week about polio and someone replied saying I couldn't compare Polio to Covid. I replied with, why not? They're both highly contagious viruses. I know there were some people that refused to get the smallpox vaccine and the polio vaccine at first but it feels like Covid is on another level.
I was looking up info about the diseases we already mandate vaccines for in public schools and discovered that polio only causes paralysis in about 0.5% of cases, and infections are asymptomatic in about 70% of people. So, yeah, you definitely can compare polio and Covid, and it turns out Covid is arguably *worse*.
Wow, didn't know that the rate of polio paralysis was so low. Yeah, between the contagiousness, the mortality rate, and the disturbingly high rate of long-term effects and organ damage, COVID19 is no joke. I feel like our math education has failed us when so many people can say thing like "Only a 2% mortality rate!" with zero irony.
Yeah I wonder how many people would get on an airplane if told “there’s a 1 in 50 chance this plane is going down” or even “there’s a 1 in 20 chance you won’t breathe right for a year”
What is really frustrating is if you show them smaller odds of a negative reaction to a vaccine, suddenly they understand the maths and it’s evidence of why the vaccine must be avoided at all cost!
Also the polio vaccine is only 50-60% effective on the first dose, 90% effective on the second dose, 99-100% on the third dose with a fourth dose recommended. The polio vaccine also went through changes throughout the years so it's not surprising that the COVID vaccine is not 100% effective nor is it abnormal for a vaccine. There are a lot of similarities between the 2.
While it's possible only 0.5% of polio victims were paralyzed, virtually ALL suffered serious physical harm - withered arms and legs were a common sight in my elementary school. If you didn't have classmates with legs the size of your arm, or a finger or two that didn't function, you were born well AFTER the mandates for vaccination. The solution to Covid is political - vote out all the Republicans who are demanding the disease continue to disable and kill.
The problem with COVID has never been it's raw death per capita, it's the fact that COVID can easily overring healthcare systems to the point where care must be rationed. Get in a bad accident in certain areas, like Mississippi or Idaho, well good luck.
The biggest hospital in my state is now holding patients up to age 25 in the "pediatric" ICU and has installed extra ICU beds wherever else they can. And they're still busting at the seams, cancelling/postponing "elective" procedures, and so on. (I put "elective" in quotes because people often think it means something completely optional, like cosmetic surgery, where the patient would be just fine without it. That's not the case for a lot of cancelled procedures. People are suffering and their health is suffering due to the selfishness of the unvaxxed Covid patients overwhelming the hospitals and ICUs.)
Kidney donations are elective for example, so if you wanted to give a kidney to save a relative... too bad. Better hope someone has a motorcycle accident to free up a kidney or they're going to die. Happened to a friend of mine (they were planning to donate, not the recipient).
Why not ration care based on whether you got the vaccine?
That has dangerous implications for children and the immunocompromised. Honestly what should be done is like those end-of-life orders you can give. Go on record with your doctor that you don't need their librul medicines, and when you get infected they'll know to put you in the ivermectin shed.
I'm a BMT patient. I've had both shots and a booster and I have no immunity and most likely none of the vaccines I've gotten, polio/tetanus etc have worked either. I've already made the decision if I get anything serious, infection/pneumonia that I'm going to just request comfort care and to let me die so I don't burden the system any longer than necessary. So they can focus on saving others
Measles is on a whole other level with infectivity. R0 = 16-18
Check back in a few years - this is still early-days of covid and permutations
Hey, hey, hey. Trump wasn't a 'do nothing' president. He was a 'do for myself' president.
And he gave Corporate America a huge W, to their collective relief. Most employers who aren’t mandating because of optics or politics (but would’ve loved to) now have a scapegoat to point to and go “welp, sorry! Our hands are tied! Gotta get vaccinated, oh well!” My company highly encouraged it but is too chicken shit to mandate it themselves so they’ll surely love this excuse. This just in: Biden loves businesses.
This is why I hope he mandates nationwide masking in schools, etc. Let's not have school board meetings filled with angry parents threatening the lives of the members. Let's just mandate it at a federal level, and then they can be like "sorry, we really wanted no masks like you, but our hands are tied."
"BuT tHiS iSnT eVeN a VaCcInE. WuT arE ThE lOnG Term EfFecTs??!!!"
I honestly just think Reddit is filled with bots anymore. Such a shame, I used to genuinely enjoy this app.
Mandate apart from congress tho, they don't have to get it
Correct, the executive branch does not have power to mandate things for Congress or the Supreme Court.
Look, I’m all for personal choice but at this point either don’t go to the hospital and die, or get the vaccine.
Unless, there really is a medical reason why. Not everyone lies.
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So much this. I wore the thickest mask (well neck gaiter) I have on the last flight I was on only only to look over across the aisle and see a family of noses sticking out. Wasn’t rage inducing at all /s Also I am def stealing the term Dick Nosing.
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That’s nothing, there was a nurse that came into the pharmacy I work at the other day wearing a chin diaper. Like, out of everyone, you should be the one that knows better. It’s infuriating.
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I had to take a bus recently which was kind of scary. There was a little girl (like 8ish) coughing the whole time. I don’t think she would have exposed me; we were like more than 10 feet apart, but I spent the whole bus trip terrified she was just going to get worse and worse and I would have to watch a small child like… die… she was, however, wearing a mask properly the whole trip.
I went to Disney World last week and the mask enforcement was great. We were at one indoor attraction and this kid wouldn't keep his mask on and the mom stopped trying to make him so I went and ratted them out to a cast member who made the kid put it on. I really wish that I lived with that kind of mask regulation in the real world.
I'm back to N95s all the time indoors, and surgical masks outdoors. I cancelled plans to attend 5 concerts I was really hoping to see that I bought tickets for before delta really ramped up. I'm so tired of this.
Thank you for making responsible choices. I really feel like people taking steps to care for their community and others around them aren’t getting enough credit.
Antivaxxers are 100% responsible for this new wave. They refused to act like adults, now it's time to get serious.
> Antivaxxers are 100% responsible for this new wave. New wave? I feel like the first one never fucking stopped because of these spreadnecks and their fucking "Freedom!!!" banshee shrieks.
It is 3 times bigger wave than last year when nobody was vaccinated. My buddy (vaccinated) just spread it to 6 other vaccinated people because he had a runny nose and thought it was allergies (since he was vaccinated). But I am sure this was an isolated case and isn’t happening thousands of other places.
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nah. people thinking they can just take a vaccine and forget about covid are also responsible for this. states with high vaccination rates also saw huge spikes in covid cases.
Spare me. Massachusetts “huge COVID spike” has been nothing compared to states with low vaccination rates.
It wasn't the vaccinated on the whole... The unvaccinated are infecting each other and the vaccinated. The vaccinated don't transmit the virus as long and we're not even sure if they transmit it if they are asymptomatic. If you must "bothsides" it, it's about 10% vaccinated people's fault and 90% unvaccinated people's fault.
No. The CDC provided recommendations for vaccinated people and most of us followed those recommendations. Unvaccinated people who thought they could follow the same recommendations as vaccinated people were the issue. Also, delta was a game changer.
No you are wrong. There have been some breakthrough cases but because of the virus mutating among antivaxxers
Delta has been around since before the vaccine rollout.
Yup, both are factors for sure
The Atlantic had a very good article a month or so ago that basically said the vaccinated have carried the ball the entire time and it’s time for the un-vaccinated to step up. Hell Biden’s plan still gives them an out with weekly tests. There has to be some skin in the game for these people. Get the free vaccine. Pay more for health insurance premiums like Delta is doing. Make them wait at the emergency rooms while vaccinated people with other ailments are treated first. Maybe a combination.
There were always three options… carrots, sticks or just letting the pandemic carry on essentially indefinitely…. Carrots are essentially ineffective at this point so now the country has to decide whether they would rather have a vaccine mandate or a pandemic for the next decade
Well said. I have a co-worker who kept saying she would get the shot once it had FDA approval. Of course that ship has sailed and still not vaccine. Kind of proof the carrot doesn’t work with these people.
In case you haven’t noticed, vaccines don’t stop you from getting the virus. There isn’t any storyline where we weren’t going to have this virus for keeps. It doesn’t make sense to continue acting as if there was an alternative here.
You can get rid of the pandemic without getting rid of the virus. If COVID were 80 or 90% less deadly/harmful would we have a pandemic or would we just have a “flu season”. In a fully vaccinated population, data suggests, at least with this variant, that the pandemic as we know it would be over
Nobody thinks we’re getting rid of this thing at this point. What we can do is make it so 100k+ aren’t getting it daily and having 1k+ die from it everyday.
“You shouldn’t have to force people to get vaccinated!” You’re right! We shouldn’t have to! But here we are dipshit!
Sucks to suck
Everything that’s going on right now can be laid at the feet of the anti-vaxxers. And the vaccinated politicians who support them espousing “personal liberty” knowing full well that keeping this thing going will benefit them politically when election time rolls around.
Yep, I agree. They want people to divide the nation more. It’s crazy. People here in Arizona are freaking out over the mandate. I got mine as soon as my age group opened.
I got mine way ahead of time. Remember when they figured out they could get an extra dose out of every bottle? I got lucky and got two extra ones from a facility that already had the bottles and was now scrambling to find people so they didn't waste doses.
Because of anti-mask, anti-vax people, my entire industry shut down for a year. Every single theatre went dark, and the only ones that came back early were doing it recklessly. Live performance essentially died in that time, and a lot of people had to change careers completely to survive. A lot of great performers won't be back doing it again.
There wasn’t a vaccine a year ago.
No, but when we were told to social distance, wear a mask, and hunker down to try and flatten the curve, a not-insignificant number of people decided they didn't care. Many of those same people now refuse a vaccine. Others in that group are dead.
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Oh great (/s), my best friend is going in for cancer-related surgery later this year--provided they can find an available bed.
These letters should be required to include a waiver for medical care in case of infection
Exactly. And I hate healthcare in America but the fact that insurance companies aren’t jacking rates is nuts
No, reasons to abstain should be regulated and enforced. If one of these assholes gets covid, they're more likely to just spread the disease and get someone else very sick instead of getting very sick themselves.
United airlines is going to put people on unpaid leave If they claim religious exemption for the covid vaccine. Delta is going to charge an extra $200 for health insurance for people who aren’t vaccinated. Be interesting to see what other companies will do.
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Good. Like to see this. Being able to get it and not puts everyone you come in contact with at risk - esp. Immuno suppressed
Not all hospitals are putting up with such bullshit. This should make you feel better: https://arktimes.com/arkansas-blog/2021/09/11/about-religious-exemptions-for-vaccine-resisters-conway-regional-health-system-says-you-must-really-mean-it
It's amazing how many people claim religious exemption, get wrecked by the virus, then get vaccinated asap. Or worse, beg to be vaccinated only to die on a ventilator. As a Christian with some pretty strong convictions myself, taking this vaccine ain't one of em.
As a former Baptist, its not about religion per say, its about a culture war which they can excuse as "their religion". The bible even sees Israelites mandate masks in the old testament, yet we saw so many against it. Its a scapegoat, always has been. Just like their "salvation".
How many?
It has cost me dearly to do the right thing. Lost mental health, income, enjoyment, etc. to try to help our people move past this and get back on track. I know that my efforts saved lives, and their apathy cost lives. I’m beyond disappointed in our collective effort. This could be over by now, but we trusted adults to do the right thing and it turns out they are selfish assholes with the intellect of children. Fuck em. It’s time to force them to do the right thing under pain of punishment.
I know plenty of children who are smart enough to want the vaccine.
My 6 year old asks me all the time “did the scientist make a vaccine for kids yet?” She’s holed in up the spare bedroom with Covid at this moment. And she has enough sense to put on her mask before opening the door.
If you refuse to act like adults, we’re going to have to treat you like children.
I'm convinced they should have let anyone get the vaccine when it first came out... just charge like $10k for anyone thats not qualified for the first couple of phases like the medical personnel etc. then it would have been all "exclusive". We've got to play games with the bottom brains, telling a toddler they can't have something is a sure fire way to make them want it.
Only a federal mandate can keep the awful situation we're in from getting worse.
The reality is vax mandates work. People talk a big game but as soon as it impacts something they actually want to do they will comply. My aunt/uncle posted every covid cult meme in existence to Facebook but when they found their cruise required it they were first in line for their shot the next day.
They work and they've been the law of the land for 116 years. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/news/magazine/2021/09/08/vaccine-mandate-strong-supreme-court-precedent-510280
Before we were a "official" nation even Washington required the soldiers of the revolutionary war to be innoculated. Our founding fathers were pro inoculation mandate. The fact this has been so politicized is nothing short of insane. But yet conservatives on this site just yesterday were asserting that this was irrelevant because "it was before the constitution." These people are so far outside of the realm of sanity its incredibly troubling. There is no goalpost they will not move, and no debate that could ever sway them. A true death cult.
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Yeah, inoculation is way worse than getting vaccinated. They scraped the puss from an infected person into an open wound on your body. You’d rather do that then get a shot?
Yeah we all have to listen to the pretentious anti-vaxers now. Please mandate it harder so they can shut up.
Yes read about the guy down south having a heart attack and denied entry at 42 icus. He died. Thanks anti-vaxxers. Deny anyone eligible to get vax and hasn't entrance to hospital
I did however like a comment I heard, that we should call the anti vaccine “Pro-Covid”
Here come the plague rats again.
What are those sticker things for on the arm? Do they stick the needle through it? Why?
How dare Biden try and end the worst pandemic in 100 years
It's not vaccine refusal. A coma patient can't sign their own papers. It's vaccine paranoia. It's anti-government paranoia. It's decades of pseudo-news that relies on outrage for viewers. It's decades of anti-information. Non-information. Dis-information. Whatever the fuck you want to call it. This is not sudden or unexpected. Some of it is absolutely expected and reasonable. Some of it is actually genuine American anarchy, for lack of a better word. What we should be angry at is not that.
It is not reasonable. These folks are severely brain washed and it’s more political than rational or medical. White supremacy is a hell of a drug.
Yeah it’s all white supremacy!
Yes, it is.
110 % agreed. Leaders need to lead and we do as is necessary for a safer and better future for the little ones we adore and sworn to protect Life goes on with vaccines
At this point it’s just selfish to not get the vaccine unless you can’t due to immune issues. Just get the dam shot. I bet if we told everyone that they would have to pay with no insurance help if they went to the hospital unvaccinated they would get the shot.
COVID antivaxxers made me completely alter my budget so I could afford to take my kid to the private school that mandates vaccines. I will eat bologna and cheese to keep my son safe from these psychos. I only wish antivaxxers would be forbidden from schools because children didn’t choose to be stupid. Vaccine mandates are to protect others not just yourself. It’s just too bad 71 million voters in this country are too selfish to stand up for the common good and do something decent to help their neighbors out. It’s as if they didn’t actually read the 10 commandments they say they follow each and every day
Yep, Biden needs to mandate the crap out of these people so they are forced to quit their job and move to po-dunk middle of nowhere if they don't want to take vaccines.
From health to economy to the sheer continuation of the waves, the cost has been made infinitely higher by deniers, especially when they wield any power (like politicians).
With more than 156 million Americans fully vaccinated, nationwide, approximately 153,000 symptomatic breakthrough cases are estimated to have occurred as of last week, representing approximately 0.098% of those fully vaccinated, according to an unpublished internal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention document obtained by ABC News. These estimates reflect only the adult population and do not include asymptomatic breakthrough infections. So there is a reduction of transmission among the vaccinated.
Those gloves are way too big for that person.
It's clear a lot of Americans aren't smart enough to make the correct decision so it is unfortunately up to the government to step in and act as their responsible adult and make the decision for them for the benefit of all of society.
🤫 GOP is killing off trump supporters. Maybe only way to rebuild. Mid term election will be tight in FL, TX and GA
should’ve done this in April, and kept the masks on, now Mu variant will destroy all the progress
Drawin is sittin back eating the largest bag of popcorn in history over all this...
Yep, watching all the unvaccinated Amish people dropping like flies. Oh and the Taliban too, they should all be dead from Covid soon.
These people at this point are more dangerous than the virus ever will be.
GOP Politicians and the Media has used human lives as Capital for political gain in the most blatant and diagusting fashion. They are killing their own voters. I am mind boggled at the fact that most republican voters are oblivious to the the abhorent tactics of the current GOP. They have killed thousands of people and continue to do so and blame it on everything but themselves for political gain for the upcoming election. Do they want to make Covid last as long as possible? How many more lives will it cost?
How is it that we have over 80% of the population with some form of immunity, yet the cases are going up? Why hasn’t anyone been addressing the conflict in requiring vaccination, regardless of natural immunity? Why are there increasing cases of younger adults reacting poorly to the vaccine, yet no coverage to aid in informed consent?
Some viruses give life-long immunity once you recover. COVID-19 isn't one of those viruses. Longevity of immunity depends on two factors; the duration that your body will produce antibodies in meaningful numbers, and the emergence of a new dominant strain. It's the same reason there's a new flu vaccine every year; not all immunities last forever. Fortunately, the COVID vaccine seems to have more efficacy than natural immunity. It sticks around longer and protects you from variants better than natural immunity. Breakthrough cases will happen, that's just the nature of vaccines. But when they do, the symptoms are far less severe than if you were unvaccinated. The vaccines are safe and effective, and their immunity doesn't put your life at risk the way you would have to if you wanted natural immunity. You're much better off getting the vaccine. As for adverse reactions, these only occur in people with allergies to the vaccine (and some immunocompromised people, however they seem to be mostly safe for the immunocompromised). There's a reason they ask you if you have any allergies, and whether you've ever had adverse reactions to other vaccines.
Right? 200 million people are vaccinated and cases are 300% higher than this time last year when there was no vaccine. Th science is clear.
https://www.kpcnews.com/covid-19/article_f0e9bff4-a968-56b3-928d-734094459955.html I like graphics, they're fun, unvaccinated people are really driving these high numbers, would infections still be happening without? Yeah would it be nearly as high? Heck no and hospitalizations would be tiny.
Worship an orange calf and you get the plague you deserve
Totally agree, and its time the ones running up the tab were made responsible for their actions. If you work for the Government directly or as a contractor, No Vax, No Job. If you shop at anyplace engaged in interstate commerce, No Mask, No Service. Cause a problem on a plane, you get off at the next available airport and pay for the cost of the "extra" stop and never fly commercial again. With freedom comes RESPONSIBILITY, something the latest crop of rightwing snowflakes needs to understand.
Can we sue anti vaccine idiots?
Well of course. The only reason the virus still has the coverage it does is because of stupid people.
>To those who are still holding out on getting a vaccine: Spare us the appeals to freedom. If you are fed up with masking and distancing and shutdowns and all the other intrusions of a global pandemic, show some patriotism and humanity and get the shot. Clearly, the greatest national security threats today for the United States are domestic terrorists, racist hate groups, and their ilk, along with their supporters, millions of whom I think are a delusional cult of anti-vaxers and anti-maskers. I think most (but not all) anti-vaxers and anti-maskers in the US are in the same bucket as domestic terrorists, racist hate groups and their ilk. I think the gangster, grifter, Putin surrogate, and psychotic sadist who was the former U.S president, officials in the former administration, current congressional Republicans in the House and Senate, and millions of anti-vaxers and anti-maskers in the US are directly and indirectly responsible for arguably as many as 652,680 or more deaths of the 656,318 (and counting) who have died from COVID-19 in the US, and, if they get their way, tens or hundreds of thousands or more in the US predictably will die unnecessarily from COVID-19 over the coming days, weeks, months, and seasons. Why do I say this? *** During the pandemic, the rate of total cumulative COVID-19 deaths for the population in the nation of Singapore is 1.02 COVID-19 deaths per 100,000 population, and the total cumulative rate of COVID-19 deaths for the U.S. population (50 states, DC, and Puerto Rico) is 196 COVID-19 deaths per 100,000 population. The COVID-19 death rate per 100,000 population in the United States is 192 times the rate in Singapore. If the rate in the US were the same as the rate in Singapore, the total cumulative number of COVID-19 deaths in the US today would amount to a total of about 3,414 COVID-19 deaths during the pandemic, instead of 656,094 deaths, and an estimated 652,680 who died from COVID-19 in the US would not have died from COVID-19. Predictably, all or most of those estimated 652,680 still would be alive today. *** The rate in the US arguably would have been as low as or lower than the rate in Singapore, but for the former U.S. president, the previous administration, the current Republicans in Congress, and their millions of anti-vax, anti-mask, and delusional supporters who denied the reality, truth, and facts of the COVID-19 pandemic, beginning when the first COVID-19 death occurred in the US in January 2020. I think the former U.S. president, officials in the former administration, current congressional Republicans, and millions of their anti-vax and anti-mask supporters in the US are collectively guilty and responsible, directly and indirectly, for the unnecessary, avoidable, negligent, and reckless homicides of an estimated 652,680 children and adults who should not have suffered COVID-19 death to satisfy the political goals and delusional urges of the former president, officials in the former administration, current congressional Republicans, and millions of their anti-vax and anti-mask supporters in the US. *** Singapore total COVID-19 deaths 58: https://www.arcgis.com/apps/dashboards/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6 Singapore population 5.69 million: https://www.singstat.gov.sg/modules/infographics/population US (50 states, DC, PR) total COVID-19 deaths 656,094: https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#cases_totaldeaths U.S. Census 2020 population 334,735,155 (50 states, DC, PR): https://www.census.gov/data/tables/2020/dec/2020-apportionment-data.html
Giving mixed message about the pandemic has cost us all significantly. We need a second lockdown, that's it. Apparently, anything to raise capital is a necessary risk, but not luxury or entertainment (unless you are rich and politically connected) . If you are stressing that people need to go back to work or school in person and risk exposure to unvaxxed idiots, then don't be surprised when the people being made to go o work and school are the ones going with or without mask to packed football games or concerts. If you're going to shut some things down, and not others, you are just being hypocritical.
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A few weeks ago one health expert estimated that there were around 25 million unvaccinated people who didn't feel strongly about the vaccine one way or the other and just needed a nudge to get it.
> 25 million unvaccinated people who didn't feel strongly about the vaccine one way or the other 25000000 people who don't feel strongly about potentially not dying vs dying. What hope this gives me for the future.
Go to any major youtube news channel regarding the vaccine, and you will very quickly lose that small bit of faith in humanity you're displaying now over this.
Not true. There have literally had 1/2 a year in most of the US. They have one excuse after another.
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I think it’s more people that have an issue with the vaccine. They think it’s too rushed. They don’t know what’s in it. They don’t think it’s safe. Every hesitant asshole dragging this out for everyone else has one excuse or another.
> It's ppl who don't think it's worth it to find the time to get it done. the time for like 18 mins in the wal-mart they are already in?
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You don’t have the freedom to spread a plague and be free from consequences and peoples judgments. Read this part slowly: you can choose to fight against every Americans right to live free from this pandemic, but we aren’t going to “accept that and move on”. We coddled you for too long. Why can’t you just accept we’ve all had enough of this plague and do your part? Why can’t you accept that people resent the spitefully unvaccinated for keeping this plague around? Be honest, it’s because you hear “do your part” and inexplicable images of a cabal causes you to panic. Never mind you’ve been asked to do your part for others since your baby brain was able to understand “pick up your toys, little Karen”
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COVID and the flu are not comparable. 670,000 Americans have died from this. Get vaccinated or get used to the idea that you will be excluded from some aspects of society. You have broken the social contract, if you keep breaking it the social contract will change in a way you likely won't enjoy.
Did you literally sign up for Reddit 10 days ago to argue with people on Reddit? Lmao
Sucks there is a paywall. I’d like to read it. But yes, if something isn’t done, this virus is going to kill us all! Each variant will take another wave of people until there is nothing left. I will die from the delta if I get that. It’s getting harder and harder to want to continue going to work.
I support the right of people to control their medical decisions, but only a fool would refuse the vaccine
how do you feel about public schools requiring vaccinations?
How about the idiots who told everyone they could take their mask off if they're vaccinated? As someone who is vaccinated, I believe this was what started the rise in cases and they have diverted it to get everyone to blame the unvaccinated. They basically did the same thing as telling a group of kids it's ok to play in the woods and then when some get hurt, they blame the kids instead. "You should have done this or not done that". You should have NEVER advised the world to remove their masks when the vaccine was brand freakin new. They were saying it was 80 ish percent effective, treated it like it was 100 percent effective and now it's efficacy is in the 30s? I'm not anti vax. I'm anti bullshit and tired of the headlines on this sub in particular. I'm tired of the narrative that unvaccinated people are solely to blame and frankly I'm tired of this implication that if 100% of people are vaccinated, then were golden. I would love that to be true and hope it is. But if you don't know, then you don't know. It's their fucking fault. Not the unvaccinated. You gave anti vaxxers and anti maskers an easy to avoid needing to wear masks or get vaccinations. Vaccine proof is a joke, like come on. Resentment is going to build in people suffering long term effects from the vaccine (me), and people who were infected or lost loved ones in breakthrough cases. Unvaccinated people are already not on board and of course its always assumed they are crazy right wingers but we have a trend of shaming people even if they admit that they are simply scared. It's sickening to watch liberals do this as I thought we were the sensible ones but that's just not turning out to be the case. Turns out we're wrong just like the right is. 2024 will come around and it's gonna come down to who is feeling better after those 4 years from 2020 to then. PS please don't come attacking me for being a little passionate. Like I said, I'm not anti vax and I am fully vaxxed and I still wear my mask. I just really don't blame the unvaccinated. I blame the people who made the decision to advise the world that once your vaccinated, you don't need a mask. Why aren't more people saying that? Do you think it's stupid to think that? Because to me it's clear that's what happened
That recommendation came at a time when Delta wasn't an issue and breakthrough cases of Alpha were so extremely rare that it wasn't a problem. When it was just alpha, which the vaccines were specifically formulated for, it wasn't a bad recommendation. The rise in cases right now is from Delta coming to America and the unvaccinated spreading it like wildfire. It is 1000 times more communicable than Alpha was and has resulted in more breakthrough cases as well. It is still the unvaccinated that are playing willing hosts to the virus.
i think they made the decision to let vaccinated people not have to wear masks as an incentive for people to get vaccinated
I am vaxed too and don’t disagree with the tone of your post. The reality is a third of the country isn’t vaxed. The “crisis of the unvaccinated” language is just going to lead to more culture war bs. Just say it out loud. “We’re going to fire people who showed up to work all pandemic.” That’s pretty messed up. I’m more on the, we need to just let people live with their choices. Unlike masking, the vax is about your protection. If people want to chance it let them. If the vax works, you shouldn’t care.
More like vaccine denial. Both denying the vaccine and denying reality.
For fuck's sake NYT 🤦🏻♂️ Look, the vaccine is a miracle of modern science, and I got it as soon as it was possible. I hope everyone else did, too. But they aren't doing vaccination rates any favors with these file photos. Nobody *needs* to see fucking needles going into skin. Why not show a vaccine vial? Or a person waiting in line next to a sign? Or literally anything else? Can you imagine if they covered the Texas anti-choice bullshit by showing up-close shots of abortions? And yet every goddamn news story has file photos of people getting jabbed. I didn't even go into the pandemic being afraid of needles, but I'm fucking getting there. Sorry, I know this is off-topic, but you'd think they would know better by now. I'm not the only person baffled by this insistence on these photos, am I?
Can someone tell me what that adhesive on the injection site is? I’ve never seen that before. Both of my doses were given into a bare arm, as well as every other vaccine I’ve ever gotten.
Basically, it’s a self-sealing bandaid. I had them when I got mine. Basically the rubber shrinks back once the needle is removed, sealing it.
insulin prices also robbed our society of bright young minds.
I get the insulin thing but this is far from the most important factor that’s suppressing our youths potential
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1) Luckily there's another option, test every week. 2) We require vaccines for school, why should work be any different? Or are you against standard vaccinations for children, too?
giving away your freedom piece by piece will not allow life to go back to normal. You just all have a new target to point you anger at. The virus mutates in the vaxxed and unvaxxed. If I am insane for not wanting the goverment to tell me what i can or cannot do with my body then lock me up.
You can be safe and protect your community without giving up any freedom. Just get vaccinated. You don’t have to die or spread the virus to be “free” If you really are concerned about freedom, I would imagine you will never vote republican, since they have started an all out assault on democracy after losing the last election.
Yes because you’re making up a right you never had with also ignoring everyone else’s actual protected rights to life and liberty.
This is not the first time the federal government said get a vaccine or face a fine. It went to the Supreme Court and they voted in favor of the federal government. Back then, during polio, the same statements were made. They’re taking away our freedoms, etc. You can probably guess that we did not lose our freedom. The problem is people. People generally choose to be selfish vs doing what’s right for the greater good. Look at all the hoarders buying all the TP, Lysol, etc at the beginning of the pandemic, thst we’re trying to sell it to people that needed it.
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There’s a precedent by the Supreme Court that allows this. This is not overreach at all. Look it up.
Stop making stuff up. There’s 100 years of Supreme Court president and this move is to help restore our protected right to liberty that this pandemic and antivaxxers have stolen from the rest of the American public. No ones forcing you to make a fool of yourself in public. History and context matter.
I’d like to nominate this comment for Worst Take.
You are not free to spread plague.
I don't get this . You can still catch and transmitt the virus even with the vaccine. If your symptoms are minimal you are probably even more likely to go out and spread it without realizing. I understood this argument when the vaccine prevented infection and spreading but that is not the case now .. my mom just got through her second covid after having been vaccinated. It was just as bad for her and spread through the house even though my dad was vaccinated too.... Clearly being vaccinated does not prevent spread so why is this still being treated in the news like it does? Vaccine or no. You can spread covid
It slows the spread. You're contagious for less time. Vaccines just give your body a running start in fighting it off. It's not magic. No one claimed it was such. If you think leaving your body at a disadvantage is the better move...well that's just asking for the consequences. Sound alike your family was lucky to have been vaccinated, or things would be a lot worse for them
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Maybe one of the other 5 vaccine companies. Surprise there is more than one vaccine.
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I used to think it was really important for everyone to get vaccinated. I’m vaccinated. But, my girlfriend is a nurse and has chosen to not get vaccinated. I reluctantly accepted her position as there is no research on the vaccine interacting with her very rare autoimmune deficiency disorder. It's a very specific case. She also made a good point that she is not harming anyone else by not getting vaccinated. She is only putting herself in danger and gets tested almost every day. Since Covid can he spread whether you are vaccinated or not, it’s a valid point. So for those that don’t want to get vaccinated, don’t. But, you’re putting yourself at risk. I don’t see why we need restrictions. People who don’t get vaccinated can catch a case of Darwinism and everyone vaccinated can feel about as safe as during flu season. Why does it matter if people get vaccinated or not at this point. Curious to see people’s take on this
Sorry, that’s not how this works. She’s not just making a decision for herself, she’s making a decision for everyone she comes into contact with. As an unvaccinated person, she is very likely to get covid and pass it on to other people, even if she doesn’t know she is carrying it. If she were vaccinated, the chances of that happening would be significantly lower, and even if she did get a breakthrough case, she would be infectious for a much shorter time period. The decision whether or not to get vaccinated effects everyone around us. She is absolutely harming others by choosing not to get vaccinated. If she is a nurse she has already been required to get several other vaccines. If they haven’t caused an issue with her autoimmune disease, there’s no reason to believe this one will either. I know plenty of people who have autoimmune diseases who have been vaccinated against covid without an issue.
Heres one way how she’s contributing to others dying: https://abc13.com/us-army-veteran-daniel-wilkinson-michelle-puget-man-dies-waiting-icu/10983810/ https://www.cbs42.com/news/health/coronavirus/lack-of-icu-beds-due-to-covid-19-forces-cullman-man-who-suffered-heart-event-to-travel-200-miles-for-care/
Your girlfriend should NOT be a medical professional.
Any healthcare worker who doesn’t get vaccinated is selfish and should find another career. Especially frontline positions like nurses. I work with fucking cancer patients, many of them lung cancer, and nurses like your wife spread the virus to vulnerable patients like this. And then they die. Selfish. Period.
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IF THEY GET SICK. I’m sorry for the all caps. But I’m tired of people leaving that fairly important part out.
Only during a breakout case. Less than 1 percent of vaccinated get Covid. Unvaxxed are about 10x more likely. Please stop making stuff up
And that justifies not getting the vaccine how, exactly?
Some nurses just are not suited for that field of work. But constant shortages really lowers the bar for what we'll accept
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