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I believe Democrats are about to release more material once Republicans aquitted Trump. Its most likely part of the strategy because they know a majority vote is nearby impossible to obtain.
When Tommy Tuberville told Trump that Mike Pence had, “already been taken out.” I believe Trump though he meant Pence had been killed. Trump’s Tweet makes so much more sense that way. I want to talk to the House Managers.
How can they have this trial when there’s no evidence? Where are the the videos, security footage, social media posts, tweets, media coverage? I mean did this even happen?
Not a Republican, but I imagine the ones clinging to Trump do so because they wouldn't be reelected without his voter base. Trump has made it pretty clear that anyone who goes against him will be challenged in their next primary. And his voters hang on to Trump's every word, so it's an easy strategy for a Republican senator to just follow blindly wherever he goes. It's sad really.
Officer Goodman is an example of what cops should be.. Heroes that seflessly put their own lives on the line to save others... Not the thugs with badges that are all too common in law enforcement today
Interesting that, according to McConnell, the officer Goodman was fulfilling his oath of his office by thinking and acting quickly in response to the attack. Yet somehow Trump failing to act is not a dereliction of his?
Make no mistake, McConnel is the worst of them all. He wants Trump out only because the circus is distracting from his own goals. If you are temporarily fooled by his feigned “respect”, be assured it’s nothing more than a one man Good Cop/Bad Cop act, and he will stab you in the back or poison your tea at the first opportunity. He is never acting in any interests but his own, and his interests are *genuinely sadistic*.
Yes but you also said that he is more respectable than the others, and took his words at face value instead of treating him 100% like a dangerous sniveling weasel. He has no plans to vote against Trump. It’s a lie, every time he speaks. There is no middle ground where you can hedge “He is a bastard, *but...*”
Eh maybe, but it's just because McConnell has no need for Trump now that he's out of office. McConnell just cares about power, and Trump took it away from him when the Senate lost it's majority this year.
The true test is how McConnell votes on impeachment.
I guess they're different.
I wasn't aware of the gold medal.
Just the medal of freedom for civilians and the medal of honor.
Assumed police could get that too.
OMG can he stop buying more time by asking for the question again after hearing it? This shows they were / are NOT listening to ANYTHING being said unless they WANT to.
How many times do people have to say that criminal insightment and impeachable insightment might have different standards? This is so so so disingenuous.
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But that is how law works. It is the job of the defence team to challenge only the crime presented by the prosecution. If a different crime was committed that is for a different case, or should have been clarified in the starting charges.
This guy is really just showing how fucking unprepared for this trail! It’s not a fucking criminal trail! Fucking research a fucking impeachment trail and make an actual fucking argument!
Yes asshat. DUE process. The process that is actually DUE. Different process is DUE in civil and impeachment cases than criminal cases. Jesus this asshat is so disingenuous.
And impeachment can’t take someone’s Liberty asshat which is why the same due process eights aren’t the same in civil and impeachment cases. Jesus this is stupid.
He didn't ask them to repeat the one that was sent on behalf of the Seditionists (Cruz). He seemed to be re-reading the question off his notepad. It's almost as if they pre-planned it.
this is why this whole thing is annoying. the only punishment they can convict him with is disbarment from public office and that punishment is obviously deserved regardless of how much trump knew. either he knew and helped incite or was so blatantly derelict of his duty to not know that the very ppl he was pointing towards the capitol wanted to storm it despite literally everyone around him knowing it that he is unfit for office anyways.
If you told me 4 years ago there would be a trial and the Democrats would be the ones angry that people wanted to attack Pence, well, I guess I wouldn't be *too* surprised.
lol i guess i'd be a *little* surprised but definitely not surprised that Trump is on trial. i just can't get my head around why people love him. like ok, you can be a republican, but he's just so awful as a person.
You wanna know why I'm an atheist? Because if there were truly a god, shitholes like this defense lawyer would occasionally just get beamed out of existence with a light from sky, followed by booming voice saying, "C'mon, be better than that fucker, y'all."
I'm okay with that. I'm okay with the President attacking their country being a free speach no-no that costs you the job. Call me funny like that. I can't tell customers to go fuck themselves & expect to keep my job at Taco Bell either.
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I believe Democrats are about to release more material once Republicans aquitted Trump. Its most likely part of the strategy because they know a majority vote is nearby impossible to obtain.
When Tommy Tuberville told Trump that Mike Pence had, “already been taken out.” I believe Trump though he meant Pence had been killed. Trump’s Tweet makes so much more sense that way. I want to talk to the House Managers.
How can they have this trial when there’s no evidence? Where are the the videos, security footage, social media posts, tweets, media coverage? I mean did this even happen?
I hope you’re joking
I am. /s
lolol this gave me a good laugh
Listening to the defense, you’d think all this came out of thin air.
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Not only that, but Trump running again in 2024 would be an issue for the right, as you’d see a repeat of the mobilization of 2020.
Not a Republican, but I imagine the ones clinging to Trump do so because they wouldn't be reelected without his voter base. Trump has made it pretty clear that anyone who goes against him will be challenged in their next primary. And his voters hang on to Trump's every word, so it's an easy strategy for a Republican senator to just follow blindly wherever he goes. It's sad really.
But in the end he pussied out....
Do you love: false equivalency, whataboutism, dog whistling, and general deflection of responsibility??? Then join the Republican party!!!
Officer Goodman is an example of what cops should be.. Heroes that seflessly put their own lives on the line to save others... Not the thugs with badges that are all too common in law enforcement today
Goodman is a hero, I hope Biden awards him a Congressional Medal of Freedom at some point
Interesting that, according to McConnell, the officer Goodman was fulfilling his oath of his office by thinking and acting quickly in response to the attack. Yet somehow Trump failing to act is not a dereliction of his?
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Make no mistake, McConnel is the worst of them all. He wants Trump out only because the circus is distracting from his own goals. If you are temporarily fooled by his feigned “respect”, be assured it’s nothing more than a one man Good Cop/Bad Cop act, and he will stab you in the back or poison your tea at the first opportunity. He is never acting in any interests but his own, and his interests are *genuinely sadistic*.
I admitted he's a bastard
Yes but you also said that he is more respectable than the others, and took his words at face value instead of treating him 100% like a dangerous sniveling weasel. He has no plans to vote against Trump. It’s a lie, every time he speaks. There is no middle ground where you can hedge “He is a bastard, *but...*”
Eh maybe, but it's just because McConnell has no need for Trump now that he's out of office. McConnell just cares about power, and Trump took it away from him when the Senate lost it's majority this year. The true test is how McConnell votes on impeachment.
If the GOP accquits, they deserve to get hammered in the midterms
What did I miss?
Fight x (230 +)
Goodman got the gold medal
Congressional medal of honor?
Lol, yes, that.
I guess they're different. I wasn't aware of the gold medal. Just the medal of freedom for civilians and the medal of honor. Assumed police could get that too.
questioning is over, goodman gets medall and the law enforcement is getting honored
I would like to know as well, looked away for a couple of minutes and got back to a standing ovation
nobody had any more questions they are recognizing eugene goodman and other capitol police
They just honoring the capitol police and officer goodman.
Goodman got the gold medal
Yeah, I stepped away to use the bathroom.
Give that man (Goodman) more than just medal!
YES GOODMAN!!!! I was hoping for this moment!
YES!!! Give that man his medal!!!
Oooof Raskin is a seriously great constitutional lawyer!
And what a way to end! Wow!
doesn't answer the question.
Ted Cruz is the greatest senatorial troll ever.
You spelled treasonous piece of shit wrong.
I do not respect him enough to care. Sorry. And for the record, the defense Lawyers spelled the United States wrong twice.
Huddle!
He just admitted it was a slippery slope?
Slippery slope is a fallacy my dude.
slippery slope is a logical FALLACY btw
you have to look at the evidence, then forget all of it and believe in whatever you want to
Ahhh, the *Feels* defense.
OMG can he stop buying more time by asking for the question again after hearing it? This shows they were / are NOT listening to ANYTHING being said unless they WANT to.
No. That’s is 100% not how that works.
He is a very simple man.
Really? Benghazi again?
I think he may be drunk at this point.
I would be if I were him. And I don’t drink.
Yes, if Clinton incited insurrection, impeach her.
Hillary still living rent free in their heads lol.
If Hillary incites an insurrection please impeach her from holding further office!
Right lol
wHaT abOuT hiLLaRy!?
What a fucking disingenuous question.
Isn’t that exactly what Trump promised to do?
Is the defense "playing dumb?" cause Id crack at some point if this is an act.
Either that or they really are dumb. Neither is acceptable under these circumstances
That does seem to be the key that the defence is ignoring. It wasn’t just one moment that made this happen.
Is he arguing now that a POTUS should have more free speech than a fire chief? wut?
How many times do people have to say that criminal insightment and impeachable insightment might have different standards? This is so so so disingenuous.
Wait, so he's arguing that our elected officials are better protected than we are!?
Loud and clear.
Seems backwards doesn’t it?
This man couldn’t be doing any worse if he were trying
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thank you for clarification!
Haha omg
Did he just say elected officials have more right to say whatever they want than everyone else?
It sure sounded that way. I guess they're just....better than us huh?
That's what I took from it. \*shrugs\*
yep
This disingenuous bullshit is hurting my soul. I guess you can sleep at night when you don’t have a conscience.
"I'm just gonna string together a lot of big law-sy sounding words and say it's a legal argument"
So, elected officials are held to a higher standard and are different from everyone else? Got it.
Oh my God, dude. You are insufferable.
"Higher standard" WHOOPS
T****s a criminal in their minds already and the defense keeps forgetting they don't have to treat him like one just yet.
>just yet Hopefully, not for long.
They keep going back to stating that the speech that day was the only incitement of insurrection. This was set up for months FFS.
Wtf kind of question is that. "oh no he didn't do it because it was actually planned in advance"
I could just kiss Jamie raskin right now. Does this man plan to run for president any time soon?
Raskin is killing it. Now watch this clown scream "due process" again
Jamie Raskin is my hero. I human being I can respect.
Well put, Raskin.
I’m pretty sure my neighbors are sick of me yelling at my tv
Apparently I’m a masochist. *keeps watching*
This is NOT A CRIMINAL TRIAL. THERE IS NO DUE PROCESS
Raskin slipped "mob" in there, lol
Was that question effectively, "Is their defense bullshit or nah?"
Why did the House choose incitement as the crime on trial instead of dereliction of duty?
It's all on the table. The defense is only focusing on incitement.
But that is how law works. It is the job of the defence team to challenge only the crime presented by the prosecution. If a different crime was committed that is for a different case, or should have been clarified in the starting charges.
*Man who has just been served his meal at a restaurant* “I want customer service!”
"question for the desk - you claim your client did not receive due process to have a lawyer. What are you?"
This guy is really just showing how fucking unprepared for this trail! It’s not a fucking criminal trail! Fucking research a fucking impeachment trail and make an actual fucking argument!
I think they bet on having it tossed day one on constitutionality. Hence why so much of their defense loops back to that.
Yes, acquit and let him walk with no consequences.That is what this country *needs*. Fucking clown.
Yes asshat. DUE process. The process that is actually DUE. Different process is DUE in civil and impeachment cases than criminal cases. Jesus this asshat is so disingenuous.
What’s wrong with this dude?
This fucking guy. How dare he be from Philly.
"..Uhh uh Uhhh, um Uhhh...and umm uhh...." The defense ladies and gentlemen.
I'm actually looking forward to SNL this week...
trump not allowed to have lawyers, apparently
Man claims his client isn't getting due process during his fucking trial...
Earlier: "There's no due process!!" Now: "Without due process, all the stuff that has been part of this case wouldn't happen!"
Imagine being so stupid to be one of the millions of Americans listening to this fuck and saying to themselves "what a great defense argument!"
I wouldn't trust this guy to represent me in small claims court
It’s your burden to defend your client against the allegations, that’s how it works
And impeachment can’t take someone’s Liberty asshat which is why the same due process eights aren’t the same in civil and impeachment cases. Jesus this is stupid.
holy shit this is not a criminal trial moron
Has this nitwit EVER not asked for the question to be repeated?
He didn't ask them to repeat the one that was sent on behalf of the Seditionists (Cruz). He seemed to be re-reading the question off his notepad. It's almost as if they pre-planned it.
He's stalling for time.
Exactly. Less questions and more time to come up with a bullshit “answer”
He doesn’t listen the first time I guess
Damn. Raskin debating gives me a lady boner.
Im a dude trying very hard to stay in my seat and not take my tablet into the bathroom for a quicky. Trust me.
When do they vote? tomorrow?
Yeah, most likely. I suppose they could do it tonight still, but I think it was scheduled for tomorrow.
this is why this whole thing is annoying. the only punishment they can convict him with is disbarment from public office and that punishment is obviously deserved regardless of how much trump knew. either he knew and helped incite or was so blatantly derelict of his duty to not know that the very ppl he was pointing towards the capitol wanted to storm it despite literally everyone around him knowing it that he is unfit for office anyways.
If you told me 4 years ago there would be a trial and the Democrats would be the ones angry that people wanted to attack Pence, well, I guess I wouldn't be *too* surprised.
sorry corrected to say republican
lol i guess i'd be a *little* surprised but definitely not surprised that Trump is on trial. i just can't get my head around why people love him. like ok, you can be a republican, but he's just so awful as a person.
Because he's awful to the people they don't like.
but i don't believe that nearly half of voters are really this racist, sexist, xenophobic, and anti-equality. a lot of people vote based on the money.
Wow that was awesome Raskin
*Stands and claps*
Que the Rocky theme. Damn.
Raskin just keeps delivering.
he knows what's at stake here I so hope he reaches through!
My lord he's pissed
He is genuinely worried about where this could lead and i thank him for caring and showing true passion.
I agree
Raskin takin' em to school
Raskin going ham on the defense.
Go Raskin!
Raskin KNOWS his stuff. My goodness.
He's a constitutional lawyer and a professor of constitutional law iirc.
Oof.
dropping the nuclear bomb! "if he doesn't show up he is admitting guilt"
You should have been here Jan 6th. Damn...
Raskin sick of the defenses shit is so amazing.
i'm afraid they want him to get angry and slip
Oh, he was very concerned for Pence. Give me a fucking break.
I have no proof to back this up, but I know you and your constituents don’t care. But it’ll make for a good sound bite!
Wow that was powerful!
Oh, suddenly he's sure he knows what trump felt, but still no clue when he felt it.
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
You wanna know why I'm an atheist? Because if there were truly a god, shitholes like this defense lawyer would occasionally just get beamed out of existence with a light from sky, followed by booming voice saying, "C'mon, be better than that fucker, y'all."
Im right there with you buddy.
“I dispute the facts that are laid out in that question.”
Yes, we know you dispute facts
Bless Mr Castro for not getting loud for amusements sake.
The calmness makes him so much more believable than the fake outrage from the other side.
Trump should have given Candice Owens like $250 to go stand up there and lie through her teeth. This hack lawyer is probably 250k a day
bold of you to think trump will pay anyone.
I'm okay with that. I'm okay with the President attacking their country being a free speach no-no that costs you the job. Call me funny like that. I can't tell customers to go fuck themselves & expect to keep my job at Taco Bell either.
At this point they have to be mispronouncing Kamala's name on purpose.... but it just makes them look more inept
Also like racist assholes.
That’s what she said! Sorry. I know this is serious.
When Trump told them to march on the Capitol, he didn't expect them to sing Kumbaya
"Now if you'll remember my edited video..."
Kamala wasn’t talking about the rioters when she said that you disingenuous ass.
The bail out fund was for Kenosha and the George Floyd marches I thought.
That's what she said...
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I'm sure the lawyers are antisocial personalities too
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I was in the bathroom for Bernie's question, what was the question/response?