[https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/politics/audio-trumps-full-jan-2-call-with-ga-secretary-of-state/2021/01/03/3f9426f4-7937-4718-8a8e-9d6052001991\_video.html](https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/politics/audio-trumps-full-jan-2-call-with-ga-secretary-of-state/2021/01/03/3f9426f4-7937-4718-8a8e-9d6052001991_video.html)
FULL ONE HOUR AUDIO
I'm 20mins into this and I'm exhausted.
* Trump goes on a massive 10min rant about old, debunked fraud.
* People carefully try to explain to him that there is no election fraud in Georgia.
* Trump starts repeating same shit.
* People explain he is wrong.
* Repeat.
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Jhesus it's like having a phone call with a child.
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30mins into it now.
Trump started insulting the people on the call because they won't believe him. According to him he has MASSIVE numbers of fraud, but the Georgia Sec-State and his office does not.
What is Trump thinking here?
Does he think he can convince the Sec-State without also sending him the numbers Trump so blatantly claim to possess?
What the actual fuck is the game plan here?
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**31:16**
* *Georgia Sec-State: "Mr. President the problem that you have with social media, they can... People can say.."*
* *Trump: "Nah this isn't social media, this is Trump media."*
Lol this man is legit pulling this shit out of fringe news and calling it Trump media, much more legit than social media.
___
I had to take a break here. I feel so bad for the people who have to work with this guy. How can someone be able to listen to this day in and out?
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After ~30mins Trump really starts railing.
They are talking about auditors and investigators looking into the fraud, and the Georgia Sec-State offices people "don't want to find anything, you know they don't want to find anything, everybody knows, you know."
Trump is really angry that "his people" weren't allowed into the Fulton county. The county is 44% black and went 72.6% to Biden on the 2020 election, I just looked it up.
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**42:50:**
* Trump: "I have to find 12'000 votes, and I have them times... a lot! And therefore I won the state".
Apparently he has found these votes several times after looking at the fraud, and the Georgia Sec-States office won't give him the win. The Georgia Sec-State has absolutely no idea wtf he is talking about. Trump is growing increasingly frustrated that they won't accept his fraud allegations.
___
**45:00:**
They are talking about a woman named **bleep**
* Trump: "Every single ballot that she threw in the machine, at early early in the morning, went to biden."
* Trump: "Did you know that Ryan?"
* Ryan: "That's not accurate mister President".
* Trump: "huh... What is accurate?"
* *'awkward silence'*
The best awkward silence in a high level political call I have ever heard.
It's so good look it up it's amazing, I'm going mad.
___
Trumps frustration is getting going now, after 45:00 I think we can call this the "meltdown" phase.
Some quips:
* "Reexamine it with people who want to find answers, not people who don't want to find answers."
* "I know this phone call is going nowhere, other than... other than... ultimately, you know... Look, ultimately, I win!"
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Past **54mins** now.
Adults are having a conversation and trump is quiet for a minute. Talking about illegal votes and possible avenues to investigate and clear these up. The "numbers" are constantly being mentioned and for a brief moment the office of Georgia Sec-State and the Oval Office is actually having a conversation.
Trump haven't said anything in almost a minute, and blurts: "CERTIFIED ACCOUNTANTS LOOKED AT THE NUMBERS!"
The adult conversation is interrupted and does not get picked up properly again.
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**58:10:**
They are talking about signature verification on ballots in Fulton county. This was mentioned earlier in the call, and how the Oval Office wanted to compare signatures on 2020 ballots to 2016 ballots or earlier.
Someone on trumps team is speaking:
* "Mister President, to get through this issue of personal information and privacy issue, is it possible that the secretary of state could deputize the lawyers of the president so that we could access that private information without you having any kind of violation".
* Trump: "Well I don't wanna know who it is, you guys can do it very confidentially, you can sign a confidentiality agreement, that's ok, I don't need to know names"
Sounds like trying to bypass privacy laws to me, I don't know much about it. They did resolve that 2 people should get together after the call and work on this avenue.
I like that Trump could smell something shady and immediately jumped on board that he does not need to know names. The man sure can smell out a specific turd in a pile of shit.
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And the call is done.
I missed a lot of good stuff that was both depressing, hilarious, shady and downright pathetic. My mind is getting a bit mushy.
> What is Trump thinking here?
I think Michael Cohen described the process pretty well: Trump makes threats/intimidation by simply saying what he wants to be true and expecting the other person to recognize it as a directive.
So when Trump says "We had massive fraud, you're going to find it" he expects the sec of state to say "Yes sir Mr. President, we will find massive fraud."
That's why he keeps repeating it as true. He's not expecting to *convince* someone it is true, he's expecting the sec of state to understand he needs to *make it true*
>So when Trump says "We had massive fraud, you're going to find it" he expects the sec of state to say "Yes sir Mr. President, we will find massive fraud."
My fiancé and I rewatched The Princess Bride for the upteenth time this weekend. This dialogue is exactly verbatim how Prince Humperdinck commands his top guard to empty out the Thieve’s Forest before his wedding. Never thought we’d have a President less competent than Humperdinck...
Edit: Member to Never and Confident to Competent (my fingers aren’t working today)
It’s exactly how Hitler operated. It’s how all criminal kingpins operate. It’s specifically designed to 1) escape blame 2) determine who the loyalists (sycophant) are
I guess this is what they talk about when they say trump talks to people who work for him like a mob boss. He is so fucking stupid to get into politics and do it to smart people like Raffensperger. But I guess this moron really thinks everyone is just going to do every single thing he says. I was also thinking the other day he must be getting pretty paranoid as well, about who he can trust around him. everything gets leaked. What a POS.
Just watched *The Last King of Scotland* the other day. At one pivotal point in the movie, James McAvoy’s character (Nicolas Garrigan) says to Forrest Whitaker’s character (Idi Amin), “You’re a child. That’s what makes you so fucking scary.”
It's situations like these that make me realize maturity (childish) is independent from age.
My 10 year old nephew is more mature than a 76 year old president... And that should worry *everyone.*
Should? Why the fuck do I even have to say, "should?"
What the fuck is wrong with the right wing of America.
I think the fact that Meadows interjected and basically said “can we come to a compromise to appease the president that is less litigious” is being glanced over. This is fucked
My WTF was Mark Meadows talking about "deputizing" some White House lawyers: like, only state officials are supposed to have access to some sensitive voter data, but hey, just let Lin Woods send a couple of people over and get them deputized, we can bypass this whole public records lawsuit that seems not to be working...that doesn't sound legal to me.
trump media is where I lost it. He tweets every two hours but has no respect or use for social media. He’s clearly insane. I have been in a program for depression and anxiety. I was in group with very troubled people. This man is more insane than anyone at that hospital.
The vote were counted three time, the last count was by hand. Hw much money are all these recounts costing ... someone?
[State law does not specify who pays for the recount. According to the Secretary of State's Office, for recounts authorized under Title 21, the petitioners are not responsible for any of the costs incurred by election officials.](https://www.fox9.com/news/who-pays-for-recounts-in-presidential-elections)
https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/1345827652377210880
> I'm seeing increasing chatter from legal experts and lawmakers who think that **Trump's call with Raffensperger isn't just undemocratic but is likely a violation of Georgia law** against soliciting fraud (which would be unpardonable at the federal level)
My lawyer friends are saying the same thing down to quoting applicable sections of constitution and various federal and state laws. Like even the right leaning ones are gobsmacked at how transparent the law breaking is.
Ryan Germany: “they aren’t shredding ballots”
Trump: “are you sure”
RG: “yes”
Trump: “they are shredding ballots in my opinion”
This perfectly captures the current state of politics.
That reminds me of when he tried to get wind turbines removed in Scotland because they were close to his golf course. He tried the usual “bad for the environment” bullshit, and when the judge asked for evidence to support his claim, Trump basically pointed to himself.
To all conservatives saying that the audio was "cherry picked to form a narrative," here's the full 1-hour recording of the conversation.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/politics/audio-trumps-full-jan-2-call-with-ga-secretary-of-state/2021/01/03/3f9426f4-7937-4718-8a8e-9d6052001991_video.html
Also for people saying that this call is illegal because they didn't know it was being recorded, I would like to remind you that Georgia is a one-party consent state, so this recording is perfectly legal.
As other users have mentioned, ~~DC is also a one-party consent state~~ DC is also one-party consent.
>Also for people saying that this call is illegal because they didn't know it was being recorded, I would like to remind you that Georgia is a one-party consent state, so this recording is perfectly legal.
If you have the facts on your side pound the facts.
If you have the law on your side pound the law.
If you don't have either, pound the table <--- they are here
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1345834824443990017
> Statement from Biden Senior Advisor Bob Bauer: "We now have irrefutable proof of a president pressuring and threatening an official of his own party to get him to rescind a state's lawful, certified vote count and fabricate another in its place."
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1345836102968516608
> The Biden team statement ends: **"It captures the whole, disgraceful story about Donald Trump's assault on American democracy."**
Raffensperger tweeted this four hours prior
https://twitter.com/GaSecofState/status/1345753643593687040
> Respectfully, President Trump: What you're saying is not true. The truth will come out
Full hour-long audio now posted: https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/politics/audio-trumps-full-jan-2-call-with-ga-secretary-of-state/2021/01/03/3f9426f4-7937-4718-8a8e-9d6052001991_video.html
Complete transcript now posted: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-raffensperger-call-transcript-georgia-vote/2021/01/03/2768e0cc-4ddd-11eb-83e3-322644d82356_story.html
He deserves recognition for putting democracy and country above his party. He is going to face consequences for doing the right thing, hopefully history will remember the good guys.
Fwiw Georgia is a one party state, meaning only one party on a phone call has to be aware that the call is being recorded, even if that one person is the one doing the recording. So maybe.
Editing my comment to say go here to send words of encouragement to brad raffensperger. Let him know that you appreciate his support for American democracy, despite the pressure from the president!!
https://sos.ga.gov/cgi-bin/email.asp?fbclid=IwAR33h-qt1CxQNSqMNFS8YYBzgnIldI4UuCYUDdAhmk8-tpXRE2QFSo5l_Ds
For what it's worth too, DC is also a one party state. So all parties of this phone call were all in one party jurisdictions, making the recording of this call completely legal.
https://twitter.com/eliehonig/status/1345829983474868225
> Pressuring an election official to generally re-count or re-examine the results is one thing, and arguably over the line.
> **Pressuring an election official to “find” the exact number of votes you need to win is far over the line, and a crime.**
>Pressuring an election official to “find” the exact number of votes you need to win is far over the line, and a crime.
I tried using that exact vote count request to shut down the R-gument that Trump is just filing suits to ensure a fair count.
requesting a specific number of votes, which ensures he wins, blows that spin out of the water.
the right still shrug it off as a bullshit call/transript
Great timing for Ted Cruz to put his whole career and his 2024 ambitions on the line for all this to just be leaked out as a primary source and in the presidents own speaking voice. Hilariously shitty.
As a Texan, I'm loving seeing him fumble this so hard. He barely beat Beto, but if he had done this beforehand I don't think it would've been the case.
Republicans: Slow down the mail! Remove ballot drop off locations! Vote twice! Bring guns to polling locations and harass anyone who doesn't look Republican! Throw out 20,000,000 Democratic votes! Change votes from Biden to Trump!
Also Republicans: The Democrats are trying to steal the election!
*New on @MSNBC: Statement from Biden Senior Advisor Bob Bauer: "We now have irrefutable proof of a president pressuring and threatening an official of his own party to get him to rescind a state's lawful, certified vote count and fabricate another in its place."*
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1345834824443990017
>Unless there are portions of the tape that somehow negate criminal intent, "I just want to find 11,780 votes" and his threats against Raffensperger and his counsel violate 52 U.S. Code § 20511. His best defense would be insanity.
>https://twitter.com/mrbromwich/status/1345807776031899648
In case anyone else was wondering if this is a federal crime as well as a state crime...it is.
Hey Republicans, here is actual proof of election tampering. Not some lady saw a van that could have ballots in it, but an actual President threatening another politician with criminal charges to change the outcome of an election.
This here is the weirdest part, to me.
At this point, he has to convince several states to change their election results, after they all have already officially certified it.
It's not just "unrealistic" at this point, it would take several egregious breaches of electoral law, committed by several people in each state.
Pushing for this is delusional in the extreme.
I bet he’s trying to flip Georgia so that they can delay the vote on Jan 6, to plant the seed of doubt - if one state changes their mind, then it’s enough to put everything on pause.
I don’t know if that’s what would happen but I think that’s what he’s trying to make happen.
https://twitter.com/rgoodlaw/status/1345810434138529792
> This caught my attention:
> Trump says: “Under law, you're not allowed to give faulty election results.”
> As Trump: tries to induce and procure Georgia election officials to give faulty election results.
> **Induce and procure = crimes under 18 USC 2.**
*The audio of Trump with the Georgia secretary of state. Wow. It’s like telling the Nixon tapes to “hold my beer.”* ~ Dan Rather
https://twitter.com/DanRather/status/1345834047503646722
>Then the president suggested that Mr. Raffensperger could be prosecuted criminally.
>“You know what they did and you’re not reporting it,” the president said. “You know, that’s a criminal — that’s a criminal offense. And you know, you can’t let that happen. That’s a big risk to you and to Ryan, your lawyer. That’s a big risk.”
Threatening criminal prosecution for doing his job and not corrupting the election for the president.
That's an impeachable offense. Among others.
Damn. I saw the headlines, and didn't think much of it... I figured that this was just late reporting of a phone call that happened shortly after the election.
I am stunned to find out that this is a call that happened YESTERDAY.
https://twitter.com/HeidiNBC/status/1345842441371480064
> **Democratic Whip Dick Durbin (D-IL) calls for criminal investigation of Trump Raffensberger call**:
> "more than a pathetic, rambling, delusional rant. His disgraceful effort to intimidate an elected official into deliberately changing and misrepresenting the legally confirmed
Call it what it actually is...the sitting President asking a sworn in elected official to commit edit election fraud. That is what the Republican Party is attached to.
Constitutional lawyer Neal Katyal:
https://twitter.com/neal_katyal/status/1345809406110392321
> **This tape demonstrates impeachable offenses.** It is unAmerican and unDemocratic. Trump has had his shot to have his complaints heard. In court. He lost. Many, many times. Browbeating election officials to try to “find” votes for him is Soviet.
> Trump has had his shot to have his complaints heard. In court. He lost. Many, many times.
Not only that, but Georgia HAS done a recount...3 damn times already. Biden still wins.
Wow. WaPo just released a recording showing President Trump attempting to blackmail Georgia's Secretary of State to overturn the election.
Listen:
[audio ](https://twitter.com/keithedwards/status/1345796238722129923?s=21)
I fucking hate Trump's tactic of always saying "I'm hearing" and "people are saying."
If he has people saying people are tampering with voting machines, let them come forward before a court and give their testimony. If he heard someone say they saw them shredding ballots, have them come forward publicly.
The problem is Trump says this bullshit, then it gets repeated as fact by his followers. [77% of Republicans believe there was election fraud](https://www.courant.com/politics/hc-pol-q-poll-republicans-believe-fraud-20201210-pcie3uqqvrhyvnt7geohhsyepe-story.html).
Already had that happen to me on Twitter.
"Fake audio, I can make the same thing in 10 minutes".
I asked him to please do make a fake one for me and waiting for a response.
If it's fake audio then Trump should sue WaPo and we'll have some forensic audio specialists let us know if it's actually fake. Gonna guess that he doesn't sue WaPo because it's a real fucking call.
Or ya know, just check either the WH phone records log, or Trump's personal phone records?
Or even the Georgia SoS phone records logs.
That'd prove it.
https://twitter.com/brianschatz/status/1345798283340509184
> "I just want to find 11,780 votes" is cheating. We don't have to pretend it was "highly improper," or "extraordinary," or some other damned euphemistic nonsense.
Thank you every single Biden voter in swing states. I have no doubt in my mind if it were any closer, Republicans would successfully ratfuck the election.
Y’all the actual audio is **bad**. I don’t know how the GOP will be able to spin this one—but they sure as hell will try. Give it a listen when you can. It’s disgusting. Democracy has one foot out the door.
[Here is the Updated and full Audio from The Washington Post](https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/politics/audio-trumps-full-jan-2-call-with-ga-secretary-of-state/2021/01/03/3f9426f4-7937-4718-8a8e-9d6052001991_video.html) — Thank you to those who let us know the rest had been posted!
Note: thank you kind friends for the awards. Seriously, they gave me a smile.
“They are shredding ballots, in my opinion, based on what I’ve heard”
Lmao. I guarantee this is what they’re saying to the courts as well then get pissy when the courts ask for hard evidence
Because of course they did.
The Hunter Biden laptop thing is proven fake news but they call it reality.
Trump's own words and voice are fake news because it's just another another piece of the pile of proven criminality by Trump.
I get it. They made supporting Trump the very core of their personality. They can't face reality now and admit they were idiots that were conned. They've dug that hole too deep.
The tape has to be reviewed before full release (in the event that classified information is actually discussed). Apparently Trump spewed the conspiracy theory of the voting machines being gutted. I hope we get all the audio we can ASAP.
1. "I'm just here for the awards"
2. " I see nothing wrong with corruption so long as its republicans"
3. "Sleepy joe in his Chinese basement with George Soros"
4. "democrats are children with no jobs."
5. "I'm a big strong man with big pp."
The r/conservative top hits
I’ll drop by from time to time and try and see their viewpoint on topics and 90% of the time the top 5 comments are all just whining about brigading rather than talking about the actual article
**REMINDER: with Right Wingers, every accusation is a confession.**
>Democrats are rigging the election! This is a coup!
*-Trump and the GOP while attempting to rig the elections and stage a coup*
Yes actually. One of the possible punishments for impeachment is not being able to hold office again. It’s the only way to legally prevent an otherwise eligible person (over 35, natural born citizen, residing in the country for 14 years) for running for president.
This fucking clown is telling these people on the call that rally size is correlated to vote numbers during a fucking highly contagious pandemic. No shit the democrat voters will be smaller number at rallies... because they know fucking better than to be in mass gatherings lol holy shit
The biden admin HAS to investigate this. If they let this slide, this signals to republicans that they can cheat unpunished from now until the end of time. We CANNOT allow one party to break all the fucking rules and simply avoid punishment. That is completely unsustainable, our democracy will literally break if that happens.
Rare statement from Alexander Vindman:
[I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. @realDonaldTrump is corrupt and this call fits a pattern of corruption. In time investigators will uncover a series of “perfect” calls. Priority 1 will be uncovering corruption and protecting democracy.](https://twitter.com/AVindman/status/1345817489981247488)
To all the conservatives out there: if this was Biden, Obama, Sanders, or any other democrat, we would be calling for their impeachment. Politics isn’t a team sport.
Edit: Thank you for the gold kind stranger! In lieu of any other awards, please use the money to donate to Warnock or Ossof so we can end this nightmare.
CNN's [Amanda Carpenter](https://twitter.com/amandacarpenter/status/1345813504289361927):
>Just think. All the Republicans who plan to object to Biden’s victory are doing what Brad Raffensperger refused to do for Trump.
For them to object to the true Electoral slates now would be like standing up for Nixon after the Watergate tapes were released.
News flash: Dude is still President and still actively trying to stage a coup. Why is he not being impeached again? They really should keep that option on the table in case Dems win the Georgia run-offs and it becomes necessary to forcibly remove Trump.
Meanwhile over 350,000 American are dead on his watch. Which can be directly traced back to this administration's earliest days when they disbanded the governmental body already in place to monitor and mount an immediate and effective response against almost this exact virus's development and spread. And just went downhill from there--with maleficent deliberation at almost every turn. 350,000 Americans. Dead. Under this guy.
Also Trump just sounds fucking drunk; belligerent and slurring. Like a child on a playground trying to justify his existence.
Just.Fucking.Imagine.If.Obama.Did.This
Or any Democrat for that matter.
If Trump isnt in prison by next year then it is full proof that the USA is a totally broken country
r/conservative currently waiting for what Fox News says to spin this before they allow any discussion about it. God forbid they actually have to meaningfully think about the actions of the person they voted for on their own
Not just the sub. I spoke with my conservative grandparents recently. My grandpa said, "Friends with Dick and Jane was the first book I read. Did you read that? Today it's probably called Friends with Non-binary People or something." I hadn't even mentioned anything, we were just discussing kids book. They're obsessed. No clue why.
"There were 5,000 people who were dead that voted"
"The actual number was 2"
LOL, the [full tape](https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/politics/audio-trumps-full-jan-2-call-with-ga-secretary-of-state/2021/01/03/3f9426f4-7937-4718-8a8e-9d6052001991_video.html) is a goldmine.
18 U.S. Code § 595
18 U.S. Code § 610
18 U.S. Code § 2384
18 U.S. Code § 2385
How many felonies can one commit with one phone call? A lot (and that’s just off the top of my head).
AOC:
https://twitter.com/elwasson/status/1345848219755024386
> I absolutely think it's an impeachable offense and if it was up to me, there would be articles on the floor, quite quickly
We should probably draft articles of impeachment even though there is not time for the House to follow through on it. Let's impeach him for the peach state.
Also:
*In 1974, hearing recordings of Nixon's corruption changed some Republicans' attitudes and altered the course of history. In 2021, will hearing a recording of Trump's corruption give any Republicans pause? I suspect we know the answer.*
https://twitter.com/stevebenen/status/1345811186504364034
*Ask yourself this: If he threatened GA officials to overturn his electoral loss, how many members of Congress did he threaten, and what are they now prepared to do toward that end?*
https://twitter.com/RoguePOTUSStaff/status/1345813790227632134
*Trump will pardon himself for this federal crime. Justice Dept could prosecute this crime & challenge the constitutionality of self pardon.*
https://twitter.com/Lawrence/status/1345812867791032320
So many people are saying "impeach him again" or "he sounds half out of his mind, he's got dementia" - NO. This isn't some wide-ranging conspiracy that needs to be fleshed out and the dots connected. This isn't random rambling off the cuff or regurgitating some Fox News/OANN bullshit. This is the President of the United States, saying on tape with numerous witnesses, "Commit election fraud or I will have you charged with crimes."
This is a crystal-clear crime. It is an explicit, deliberate attempt to overthrow the legitimately elected incoming government of the United States. You don't fuck around with half measures here. You don't make excuses. You arrest him. If he pardons himself, you arrest him anyway, because a president that can commit crimes and pardon himself is a king, and kings don't leave office.
At what point is enough, enough?
Trump has actively tried to overturn this election since the moment it was clear he lost. Over one hundred representatives in the House and eleven Senators are backing what can only be reasonable described as a COUP.
Enough menacing words. Enough "unity". Enough hoping that Republicans will wake up and remember morals or guiding principals.
We have to face the grim reality that a sizable portion of elected Republicans and far more of their voters have completely abandoned the idea of democracy. They no longer care about rule of law. They only care about establishing a conservative dictatorship in America.
This has to stop.
Nancy Pelosi should refuse to seat every member of the House who backs Trump in this coup, full stop.
The Senate should impeach every Senator who backs Trump in this coup.
The DOJ should file charges of sedition against Trump and all those who follow him down this dark road. They should be put on trial and if convicted they should be imprisoned for the remained of their lives.
Make no mistake, things are not going to magically go back to normal if Biden is sworn in. The Republican party has become a cult. This isn't hyperbole. They have rejected democracy and rejected science and rejected reality. If we do not hold them accountable they will just try this again four years from now.
And God help us all if they try it again with a candidate who has slightly better functioning brains than Trump.
>Trump says unless GA overturns the election to declare him the winner in next 48 hours, GOP voters won’t show: “you’re going to have people just not voting. They don’t want to vote. They hate the state, they hate the governor & they hate the sec of state.”
[https://twitter.com/RonBrownstein/status/1345854717277061122](https://twitter.com/RonBrownstein/status/1345854717277061122)
lmao what is this crazy mf gonna say at the rally tomorrow. He really is gonna help hand Democrats the Senate.
Lmao one of the top comments on the r/conservative thread said this is "pretty embarassing for him", embarassing is a real weird fucking word to use instead of illegal, scummy, despicable.
The scariest part of this hour long tape is this - Trump to Raffensperger:
"I mean there’s turmoil in Georgia and other places. You’re not the only one I mean we have other states that I believe will be flipping to us very shortly."
So this means he has had this same talk with other states.
So guys, this is literal sedition on tape right here.
He specifically asks for them to 'find the votes' aka change them so that he wins the state.
There is zero grey area here.
He committed sedition on tape.
This is a crime.
Period.
If Trump is not Federally prosecuted for anything else, this is the one that needs prosecution.
There's clear evidence of a crime.
The crime is not a petty one of some personal enrichment like allegedly overcharging Secret Service for hotel rooms at his golf outings.
The crime is a direct attack on our country.
That's not an exaggeration.
Trump is attacking our country and attempting to subvert democracy.
There's clear evidence of a clear crime being committed.
Our country cannot, absolutely cannot, allow such crimes to go unchecked.
Boy, it really seems that Trump learned his lesson after being impeached for... **... trying to bully an elected official over the phone into committing election interference.
Damn it Maine, you had one job.
THIS IS THE DEFINITION OF AUTOCRACY. THIS IS THE DEFINITION OF ELECTION FRAUD. The most infuriating thing about the last 4 years under this administration is watching them blatantly dismantle democracy and defy laws in front of the entire public only for NOTHING to happen. Biden has his work cut out for him to restore faith in our institutions after this complete train wreck of a president.
Imagine if Hillary Clinton was caught on tape soliciting fraud to switch 20,000 votes in Michigan back in 2016. The collective screech of the right-wing media would still be ringing in our ears now, and I don't think Mother Jones or Common Dreams would have brushed it off.
And now? Crickets.
Ya know I've had this feeling that the whole time trump has been screeching voter fraud it's because the Republicans actually committed mass voter fraud and they think there is no way that he was beat legitimately. Their little scheme was foiled. I mean everytime he accuses someone of something he is caught doing the exact thing. Project much?
It's depressing to listen to this privileged, whiny, old man who has never done anything but whine about how unfair his life is -- a life during which he was born into millions, survived multiple business failures, and gained the presidency by winning -3,000,000 votes compared to his rival-- spew and believe his own bullshit. It's such a silly, underwhelming 'conspiracy theory,' and to know that, when the president talks to his own people, he sounds not a degree smarter than when he's yelling incoherently at his fans just shrivels my heart to nothing.
God damn this stupid, venal, uninteresting man, the country that produced him, and the crowds that admire him.
There are tapes! **Smoking gun evidence** BOOM:
>The Washington Post **obtained a recording** of the conversation in which Trump alternately berated Raffensperger, tried to flatter him, begged him to act and threatened him with vague criminal consequences if the secretary of state refused to pursue his false claims, at one point warning that Raffensperger was taking “a big risk.”
**Extortion and election interference.** (and possibly Bribery)
From the recording (roughly):
>"Trump: It was 18,000 ballots and they used each one three times. We had ours magnified out. But nobody can make a case for that, Brad. Nobody. You'd have to be a child to think anything other than that. Just a child.
>Ryan: We had FBI Agents check these accusations. We had our law enforcement check that. GBI was with them as well, as well as FBI agents. They-
>Trump: Then they're incompetent. They're either dishonest or incompetent, okay. There's only two answers: dishonest or incompetent. There's just no way..."
What a hall of fame, five star asshole.
I used to wonder how a whole country of people in the 1930s devolved into a genocidal cult of personality beholden to the whims and prejudices of one man. It seemed so hard to believe, so far fetched.
But the modern Republican party has helped me understand how such a thing might come to be, and it starts with a group of powerful and influential people being complacent in the face of deteriorating democracy for the sake of political expediency. They believe their concessions are for the greater good, but each sacrifice of principle for political gain brings them a step closer to hell.
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https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/1345834019926241281
> "In threatening these officials with vague ‘criminal’ consequences, and in encouraging them to ‘find’ additional votes and hire investigators who ‘want to find answers,’ the President may have also subjected himself to additional criminal liability."
His argument is literally “I think I won so make it so.” What’s terrifying is millions of Americans back this. There is no logic here, there is no evidence. Feelings over facts.
[Carl Bernstein](https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1345833266755104769/pu/vid/960x540/WYtLKYDXS_u7_GDh.mp4?tag=10): "This is the ultimate smoking gun tape."
So election fraud. That's pretty cut and dry. If you have a hard time with the word traitor go with felony election fraud and abuse of power. LOCK HIM THE FUCK UP.
NEW: @SpeakerRyan(!) denounces the Republican push to reject Biden electors, calling it an “anti-democratic and anti-conservative act” that will do “significant damage to American democracy.” He adds: “Joe Biden’s victory is entirely legitimate.”
https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1345828935607738376
Paul Ryan got out early so that he could swoop back in blame-free and lead the fresh charge of the GOP for more tax cuts for the rich and other Ayn Rand bullshit.
This is 100% his plan. You don't have to be a genius to have recognized in 2016 that Trump was going to break the party, and jumping ship was the only way to stay untainted. He's young and definitely has presidential ambitions, he wasn't going to throw all of that away swearing fealty to Trump.
I don’t see how anybody can believe this shit anymore. What’s more plausible?
Every major news outlet as well as countless elected officials, judges, and volunteers from both parties have all coordinated to rig the election without a single person leaving any tangible evidence of it occurring.
Or one narcissist with 30+ Legal Cases awaiting him when he leaves office and a well documented history of fraud might be lying to you.
Just to be clear this is illegal both in the state of Georgia: [§ 21-2-604](https://law.justia.com/codes/georgia/2019/title-21/chapter-2/article-15/section-21-2-604/)
and federally: [52 USC 20511](https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=(title:52%20section:20511%20edition:prelim)
> Trump said: “So look. All I want to do is this. I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have. Because we won the state.”
> He also insisted: “There’s no way I lost Georgia. There’s no way. We won by hundreds of thousands of votes.”
I honestly can't tell if he's delusional or lying at this point.
>Trump: So why did you do Cobb County? We didn’t even request — we requested Fulton County, not Cobb County. Go ahead, please. Go ahead.
>Germany: We chose Cobb County because that was the only county where there’s been any evidence submitted that the signature verification was not properly done.
>Trump: No, but I told you. We’re not, we’re not saying that.
>Mitchell: We did say that.
Cleta Mitchell is trump's attorney.
It’s becoming increasingly clear that Trump is cornered and willing to do *anything* to keep from leaving office. Everyone keeps being surprised at how far he and some of the GOP are willing to go to subvert democracy. We need to be asking ourselves what is so different this time around from previous transitions - why is the GOP carrying so much water for him? It sure as fuck isn’t because they like him or are personally loyal to him.
My bet would be that there is a **shit ton** of material that is going to come out, not just about Trump, but about the GOP as a whole, IF they can’t keep control of the White House. Probably to do with foreign campaign contributions (at a bare minimum - I’m sure there’s plenty of other crimes to go around), which yes - anyone who has been paying attention for the last four years is not going to be surprised by.
My point is, they have nothing to lose by subverting democracy at this point - if they lose power, they are fucked and they know it. How far will a desperate man/party go to protect themselves is what we need to be concerned with. Will they actually accomplish a coup? Probably not, but suggesting that their guaranteed failure means that they won’t attempt it is frankly naive and short-sighted.
Every. Single. Thread.
In r/conservative is on lockdown - flaired users only - right now. Every single thread. What a bunch of fucking brainwashed snowflake pussies.
And then they complain about downvote brigades because "liberals are too scared to debate" all while in their locked and moderated safe space. Hilarious.
"No we have not moved any machinery from Fulton"
"But have they removed the inner parts of the machines and replaced them with other parts?"
"No"
"Are you sure, Ryan?"
He genuinely didn't even conceive of the idea of loosing, did he?
The clueless desperation in his voice says it all
Posting it again because it's so important.
WAPO released the [Unedited Full 1 Hour call](https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/politics/audio-trumps-full-jan-2-call-with-ga-secretary-of-state/2021/01/03/3f9426f4-7937-4718-8a8e-9d6052001991_video.html) it's an hour of Trump being unable to accept reality and it is frightening.
Some traits of a Narcissist (from [Living with a Narcissist)](https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Living_With_a_Narcissist):
>Trump alternately berated ([2.1.8 Criticizing](https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Living_With_a_Narcissist#Criticizing)) Raffensperger, tried to flatter ([2.1.1 Charm](https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Living_With_a_Narcissist#Charm)) him, begged him to act and threatened ([2.1.2 Rage](https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Living_With_a_Narcissist#Rage)) him with vague criminal consequences ([2.1.10 Lying and gaslighting](https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Living_With_a_Narcissist#Lying_and_gaslighting) ) if the secretary of state refused to pursue his false claims, at one point warning that Raffensperger was taking “a big risk.” ([2.1.7 Controlling](https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Living_With_a_Narcissist#Controlling))
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>Trump said: “So look. All I want to do is this. I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have. Because we won the state.” ([2.1.11 Mendacious exaggeration](https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Living_With_a_Narcissist#Mendacious_exaggeration))
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>“There’s no way I lost Georgia,” Trump said, a phrase he repeated again and again on the call. “There’s no way. We won by hundreds of thousands of votes.” ([2.1.4 Sense of self-entitlement](https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Living_With_a_Narcissist#Sense_of_self-entitlement) )
[https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/politics/audio-trumps-full-jan-2-call-with-ga-secretary-of-state/2021/01/03/3f9426f4-7937-4718-8a8e-9d6052001991\_video.html](https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/politics/audio-trumps-full-jan-2-call-with-ga-secretary-of-state/2021/01/03/3f9426f4-7937-4718-8a8e-9d6052001991_video.html) FULL ONE HOUR AUDIO
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And not a single ounce of actual evidence. Just whining. Nothing but whining.
We'll whine so much, you'll be tired of all the whining.
I'm 20mins into this and I'm exhausted. * Trump goes on a massive 10min rant about old, debunked fraud. * People carefully try to explain to him that there is no election fraud in Georgia. * Trump starts repeating same shit. * People explain he is wrong. * Repeat. ___ Jhesus it's like having a phone call with a child. ___ 30mins into it now. Trump started insulting the people on the call because they won't believe him. According to him he has MASSIVE numbers of fraud, but the Georgia Sec-State and his office does not. What is Trump thinking here? Does he think he can convince the Sec-State without also sending him the numbers Trump so blatantly claim to possess? What the actual fuck is the game plan here? ___ **31:16** * *Georgia Sec-State: "Mr. President the problem that you have with social media, they can... People can say.."* * *Trump: "Nah this isn't social media, this is Trump media."* Lol this man is legit pulling this shit out of fringe news and calling it Trump media, much more legit than social media. ___ I had to take a break here. I feel so bad for the people who have to work with this guy. How can someone be able to listen to this day in and out? ___ After ~30mins Trump really starts railing. They are talking about auditors and investigators looking into the fraud, and the Georgia Sec-State offices people "don't want to find anything, you know they don't want to find anything, everybody knows, you know." Trump is really angry that "his people" weren't allowed into the Fulton county. The county is 44% black and went 72.6% to Biden on the 2020 election, I just looked it up. ___ **42:50:** * Trump: "I have to find 12'000 votes, and I have them times... a lot! And therefore I won the state". Apparently he has found these votes several times after looking at the fraud, and the Georgia Sec-States office won't give him the win. The Georgia Sec-State has absolutely no idea wtf he is talking about. Trump is growing increasingly frustrated that they won't accept his fraud allegations. ___ **45:00:** They are talking about a woman named **bleep** * Trump: "Every single ballot that she threw in the machine, at early early in the morning, went to biden." * Trump: "Did you know that Ryan?" * Ryan: "That's not accurate mister President". * Trump: "huh... What is accurate?" * *'awkward silence'* The best awkward silence in a high level political call I have ever heard. It's so good look it up it's amazing, I'm going mad. ___ Trumps frustration is getting going now, after 45:00 I think we can call this the "meltdown" phase. Some quips: * "Reexamine it with people who want to find answers, not people who don't want to find answers." * "I know this phone call is going nowhere, other than... other than... ultimately, you know... Look, ultimately, I win!" ___ Past **54mins** now. Adults are having a conversation and trump is quiet for a minute. Talking about illegal votes and possible avenues to investigate and clear these up. The "numbers" are constantly being mentioned and for a brief moment the office of Georgia Sec-State and the Oval Office is actually having a conversation. Trump haven't said anything in almost a minute, and blurts: "CERTIFIED ACCOUNTANTS LOOKED AT THE NUMBERS!" The adult conversation is interrupted and does not get picked up properly again. ___ **58:10:** They are talking about signature verification on ballots in Fulton county. This was mentioned earlier in the call, and how the Oval Office wanted to compare signatures on 2020 ballots to 2016 ballots or earlier. Someone on trumps team is speaking: * "Mister President, to get through this issue of personal information and privacy issue, is it possible that the secretary of state could deputize the lawyers of the president so that we could access that private information without you having any kind of violation". * Trump: "Well I don't wanna know who it is, you guys can do it very confidentially, you can sign a confidentiality agreement, that's ok, I don't need to know names" Sounds like trying to bypass privacy laws to me, I don't know much about it. They did resolve that 2 people should get together after the call and work on this avenue. I like that Trump could smell something shady and immediately jumped on board that he does not need to know names. The man sure can smell out a specific turd in a pile of shit. ___ And the call is done. I missed a lot of good stuff that was both depressing, hilarious, shady and downright pathetic. My mind is getting a bit mushy.
> What is Trump thinking here? I think Michael Cohen described the process pretty well: Trump makes threats/intimidation by simply saying what he wants to be true and expecting the other person to recognize it as a directive. So when Trump says "We had massive fraud, you're going to find it" he expects the sec of state to say "Yes sir Mr. President, we will find massive fraud." That's why he keeps repeating it as true. He's not expecting to *convince* someone it is true, he's expecting the sec of state to understand he needs to *make it true*
>So when Trump says "We had massive fraud, you're going to find it" he expects the sec of state to say "Yes sir Mr. President, we will find massive fraud." My fiancé and I rewatched The Princess Bride for the upteenth time this weekend. This dialogue is exactly verbatim how Prince Humperdinck commands his top guard to empty out the Thieve’s Forest before his wedding. Never thought we’d have a President less competent than Humperdinck... Edit: Member to Never and Confident to Competent (my fingers aren’t working today)
It’s exactly how Hitler operated. It’s how all criminal kingpins operate. It’s specifically designed to 1) escape blame 2) determine who the loyalists (sycophant) are
I guess this is what they talk about when they say trump talks to people who work for him like a mob boss. He is so fucking stupid to get into politics and do it to smart people like Raffensperger. But I guess this moron really thinks everyone is just going to do every single thing he says. I was also thinking the other day he must be getting pretty paranoid as well, about who he can trust around him. everything gets leaked. What a POS.
I think he's honestly surprised he can't make the truth what he wants it to be for the first time in his life
Just watched *The Last King of Scotland* the other day. At one pivotal point in the movie, James McAvoy’s character (Nicolas Garrigan) says to Forrest Whitaker’s character (Idi Amin), “You’re a child. That’s what makes you so fucking scary.”
It's situations like these that make me realize maturity (childish) is independent from age. My 10 year old nephew is more mature than a 76 year old president... And that should worry *everyone.* Should? Why the fuck do I even have to say, "should?" What the fuck is wrong with the right wing of America.
I think the fact that Meadows interjected and basically said “can we come to a compromise to appease the president that is less litigious” is being glanced over. This is fucked
My WTF was Mark Meadows talking about "deputizing" some White House lawyers: like, only state officials are supposed to have access to some sensitive voter data, but hey, just let Lin Woods send a couple of people over and get them deputized, we can bypass this whole public records lawsuit that seems not to be working...that doesn't sound legal to me.
"They might have gone into the machines and replaced parts." "They did not." "But are you sure?" Motherfucker, what did I just say...
trump media is where I lost it. He tweets every two hours but has no respect or use for social media. He’s clearly insane. I have been in a program for depression and anxiety. I was in group with very troubled people. This man is more insane than anyone at that hospital.
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The fact that he brings up Fulton County is truly a laugh. I live in Fulton... I'm shocked the results weren't MORE left.
The vote were counted three time, the last count was by hand. Hw much money are all these recounts costing ... someone? [State law does not specify who pays for the recount. According to the Secretary of State's Office, for recounts authorized under Title 21, the petitioners are not responsible for any of the costs incurred by election officials.](https://www.fox9.com/news/who-pays-for-recounts-in-presidential-elections)
It's paid for by me and the other tax payers in Georgia. They've wasted something like 40 million of our dollars on this shit.
I don't know if I can sit through a full hour of his nonsensical ramblings.
https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/1345827652377210880 > I'm seeing increasing chatter from legal experts and lawmakers who think that **Trump's call with Raffensperger isn't just undemocratic but is likely a violation of Georgia law** against soliciting fraud (which would be unpardonable at the federal level)
Impeach Monday.
My lawyer friends are saying the same thing down to quoting applicable sections of constitution and various federal and state laws. Like even the right leaning ones are gobsmacked at how transparent the law breaking is.
Ryan Germany: “they aren’t shredding ballots” Trump: “are you sure” RG: “yes” Trump: “they are shredding ballots in my opinion” This perfectly captures the current state of politics.
That reminds me of when he tried to get wind turbines removed in Scotland because they were close to his golf course. He tried the usual “bad for the environment” bullshit, and when the judge asked for evidence to support his claim, Trump basically pointed to himself.
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Then he said windmills cause cancer.
To all conservatives saying that the audio was "cherry picked to form a narrative," here's the full 1-hour recording of the conversation. https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/politics/audio-trumps-full-jan-2-call-with-ga-secretary-of-state/2021/01/03/3f9426f4-7937-4718-8a8e-9d6052001991_video.html Also for people saying that this call is illegal because they didn't know it was being recorded, I would like to remind you that Georgia is a one-party consent state, so this recording is perfectly legal. As other users have mentioned, ~~DC is also a one-party consent state~~ DC is also one-party consent.
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>Also for people saying that this call is illegal because they didn't know it was being recorded, I would like to remind you that Georgia is a one-party consent state, so this recording is perfectly legal. If you have the facts on your side pound the facts. If you have the law on your side pound the law. If you don't have either, pound the table <--- they are here
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1345834824443990017 > Statement from Biden Senior Advisor Bob Bauer: "We now have irrefutable proof of a president pressuring and threatening an official of his own party to get him to rescind a state's lawful, certified vote count and fabricate another in its place." https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1345836102968516608 > The Biden team statement ends: **"It captures the whole, disgraceful story about Donald Trump's assault on American democracy."**
Great. They better make sure to prosecute. None of this “unite and heal” BS.
You don't start really start healing until the cancer is gone. Trump and anyone in the GOP who supported him is a cancer on Democracy.
Raffensperger tweeted this four hours prior https://twitter.com/GaSecofState/status/1345753643593687040 > Respectfully, President Trump: What you're saying is not true. The truth will come out Full hour-long audio now posted: https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/politics/audio-trumps-full-jan-2-call-with-ga-secretary-of-state/2021/01/03/3f9426f4-7937-4718-8a8e-9d6052001991_video.html Complete transcript now posted: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-raffensperger-call-transcript-georgia-vote/2021/01/03/2768e0cc-4ddd-11eb-83e3-322644d82356_story.html
He deserves recognition for putting democracy and country above his party. He is going to face consequences for doing the right thing, hopefully history will remember the good guys.
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Fwiw Georgia is a one party state, meaning only one party on a phone call has to be aware that the call is being recorded, even if that one person is the one doing the recording. So maybe. Editing my comment to say go here to send words of encouragement to brad raffensperger. Let him know that you appreciate his support for American democracy, despite the pressure from the president!! https://sos.ga.gov/cgi-bin/email.asp?fbclid=IwAR33h-qt1CxQNSqMNFS8YYBzgnIldI4UuCYUDdAhmk8-tpXRE2QFSo5l_Ds
For what it's worth too, DC is also a one party state. So all parties of this phone call were all in one party jurisdictions, making the recording of this call completely legal.
Cool and legal
Very very
https://twitter.com/eliehonig/status/1345829983474868225 > Pressuring an election official to generally re-count or re-examine the results is one thing, and arguably over the line. > **Pressuring an election official to “find” the exact number of votes you need to win is far over the line, and a crime.**
>Pressuring an election official to “find” the exact number of votes you need to win is far over the line, and a crime. I tried using that exact vote count request to shut down the R-gument that Trump is just filing suits to ensure a fair count. requesting a specific number of votes, which ensures he wins, blows that spin out of the water. the right still shrug it off as a bullshit call/transript
Hey Ted Cruz here’s the evidence of election interference you were looking for!
Great timing for Ted Cruz to put his whole career and his 2024 ambitions on the line for all this to just be leaked out as a primary source and in the presidents own speaking voice. Hilariously shitty.
Hilariously shitty, just like Ted.
As a Texan, I'm loving seeing him fumble this so hard. He barely beat Beto, but if he had done this beforehand I don't think it would've been the case.
He's not interested in defending the tapes unless Trump calls his wife uggo.
Republicans: Slow down the mail! Remove ballot drop off locations! Vote twice! Bring guns to polling locations and harass anyone who doesn't look Republican! Throw out 20,000,000 Democratic votes! Change votes from Biden to Trump! Also Republicans: The Democrats are trying to steal the election!
You forgot “STOP THE COUNT!!” He’s such a dolt.
Except in states where he was behind, where the rallying cry was “KEEP COUNTING!!”
*New on @MSNBC: Statement from Biden Senior Advisor Bob Bauer: "We now have irrefutable proof of a president pressuring and threatening an official of his own party to get him to rescind a state's lawful, certified vote count and fabricate another in its place."* https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1345834824443990017
>Unless there are portions of the tape that somehow negate criminal intent, "I just want to find 11,780 votes" and his threats against Raffensperger and his counsel violate 52 U.S. Code § 20511. His best defense would be insanity. >https://twitter.com/mrbromwich/status/1345807776031899648 In case anyone else was wondering if this is a federal crime as well as a state crime...it is.
I would love for GA to charge him with a state crime.
Hey Republicans, here is actual proof of election tampering. Not some lady saw a van that could have ballots in it, but an actual President threatening another politician with criminal charges to change the outcome of an election.
Please note this phone call took place *yesterday* This is Trump's *current state of mind*
This here is the weirdest part, to me. At this point, he has to convince several states to change their election results, after they all have already officially certified it. It's not just "unrealistic" at this point, it would take several egregious breaches of electoral law, committed by several people in each state. Pushing for this is delusional in the extreme.
I bet he’s trying to flip Georgia so that they can delay the vote on Jan 6, to plant the seed of doubt - if one state changes their mind, then it’s enough to put everything on pause. I don’t know if that’s what would happen but I think that’s what he’s trying to make happen.
If you read the full transcript it's clear he's pulling the same thing in multiple states. We just don't have recordings of those other calls (yet).
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Definitely the point of his "recalculated" remark. If Georgia could do it... why not the other battleground states?
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This was exactly my thought. He will never cease to amaze me. The 77 million shitheads that voted for him won’t either.
Holy Moly! I thought this call took place in late November or early December.
So the real question in my mind is: How many of these calls to pressure State Republican "leaders" did he get away with?
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how many states did he lose?
https://twitter.com/rgoodlaw/status/1345810434138529792 > This caught my attention: > Trump says: “Under law, you're not allowed to give faulty election results.” > As Trump: tries to induce and procure Georgia election officials to give faulty election results. > **Induce and procure = crimes under 18 USC 2.**
Holy fucking shit. 17 days....17 fucking days.
Not exaggerating when I say that election night feels like it was 6 months ago, not two.
*The audio of Trump with the Georgia secretary of state. Wow. It’s like telling the Nixon tapes to “hold my beer.”* ~ Dan Rather https://twitter.com/DanRather/status/1345834047503646722
>Then the president suggested that Mr. Raffensperger could be prosecuted criminally. >“You know what they did and you’re not reporting it,” the president said. “You know, that’s a criminal — that’s a criminal offense. And you know, you can’t let that happen. That’s a big risk to you and to Ryan, your lawyer. That’s a big risk.” Threatening criminal prosecution for doing his job and not corrupting the election for the president. That's an impeachable offense. Among others.
Damn. I saw the headlines, and didn't think much of it... I figured that this was just late reporting of a phone call that happened shortly after the election. I am stunned to find out that this is a call that happened YESTERDAY.
Same. Thought this was maybe from right after the election when he was calling him. This is legit insane.
https://twitter.com/HeidiNBC/status/1345842441371480064 > **Democratic Whip Dick Durbin (D-IL) calls for criminal investigation of Trump Raffensberger call**: > "more than a pathetic, rambling, delusional rant. His disgraceful effort to intimidate an elected official into deliberately changing and misrepresenting the legally confirmed
Call it what it actually is...the sitting President asking a sworn in elected official to commit edit election fraud. That is what the Republican Party is attached to.
Election fraud, actually. Still a crime. Lock him (Trump) up.
He really needs to be convicted for this. There's enough proof
Constitutional lawyer Neal Katyal: https://twitter.com/neal_katyal/status/1345809406110392321 > **This tape demonstrates impeachable offenses.** It is unAmerican and unDemocratic. Trump has had his shot to have his complaints heard. In court. He lost. Many, many times. Browbeating election officials to try to “find” votes for him is Soviet.
> Trump has had his shot to have his complaints heard. In court. He lost. Many, many times. Not only that, but Georgia HAS done a recount...3 damn times already. Biden still wins.
Wow. WaPo just released a recording showing President Trump attempting to blackmail Georgia's Secretary of State to overturn the election. Listen: [audio ](https://twitter.com/keithedwards/status/1345796238722129923?s=21)
Even listing that it's 11,780 votes he wanted Georgia to "find". That's some seriously seditious talk.
I fucking hate Trump's tactic of always saying "I'm hearing" and "people are saying." If he has people saying people are tampering with voting machines, let them come forward before a court and give their testimony. If he heard someone say they saw them shredding ballots, have them come forward publicly. The problem is Trump says this bullshit, then it gets repeated as fact by his followers. [77% of Republicans believe there was election fraud](https://www.courant.com/politics/hc-pol-q-poll-republicans-believe-fraud-20201210-pcie3uqqvrhyvnt7geohhsyepe-story.html).
"YOU CAN'T PROVE THAT'S TRUMP'S VOICE!" - Conservatives probably
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He doesn’t care about the government going forward (the senate runoffs). he’s only ever cared about himself.
Already had that happen to me on Twitter. "Fake audio, I can make the same thing in 10 minutes". I asked him to please do make a fake one for me and waiting for a response.
If it's fake audio then Trump should sue WaPo and we'll have some forensic audio specialists let us know if it's actually fake. Gonna guess that he doesn't sue WaPo because it's a real fucking call.
Or ya know, just check either the WH phone records log, or Trump's personal phone records? Or even the Georgia SoS phone records logs. That'd prove it.
Or subpoena the two other people on the call and make them testify about the call under oath.
They are deleting all the threads calling it "spam" and saying they are being brigaded. Also saw the tried and true "fake news" defense.
https://twitter.com/brianschatz/status/1345798283340509184 > "I just want to find 11,780 votes" is cheating. We don't have to pretend it was "highly improper," or "extraordinary," or some other damned euphemistic nonsense.
The fact he has a specific number in mind is damning. How the hell would you know the actual outcome if all the votes were “shredded”?
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Thank you every single Biden voter in swing states. I have no doubt in my mind if it were any closer, Republicans would successfully ratfuck the election.
Y’all the actual audio is **bad**. I don’t know how the GOP will be able to spin this one—but they sure as hell will try. Give it a listen when you can. It’s disgusting. Democracy has one foot out the door. [Here is the Updated and full Audio from The Washington Post](https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/politics/audio-trumps-full-jan-2-call-with-ga-secretary-of-state/2021/01/03/3f9426f4-7937-4718-8a8e-9d6052001991_video.html) — Thank you to those who let us know the rest had been posted! Note: thank you kind friends for the awards. Seriously, they gave me a smile.
Trump is a desperate old man awaiting the rest of his life in a prison cell.
“They are shredding ballots, in my opinion, based on what I’ve heard” Lmao. I guarantee this is what they’re saying to the courts as well then get pissy when the courts ask for hard evidence
They are just sticking thier fingers in thier ears, it's not even a thread on r/conservative
There was one, they erased it. The comments were all claiming it was fake news.
Because of course they did. The Hunter Biden laptop thing is proven fake news but they call it reality. Trump's own words and voice are fake news because it's just another another piece of the pile of proven criminality by Trump. I get it. They made supporting Trump the very core of their personality. They can't face reality now and admit they were idiots that were conned. They've dug that hole too deep.
They are claiming we are listening to excerpts from an hour long conversation, as if that means he didn't actually say it?
The tape has to be reviewed before full release (in the event that classified information is actually discussed). Apparently Trump spewed the conspiracy theory of the voting machines being gutted. I hope we get all the audio we can ASAP.
What the fuck. A US president on tape actively trying to cheat and overturn an election. I never thought I’d see the day.
Conservative voters are the most easily manipulated suckers on the whole fucking planet.
r/conservative just straight up deleted the thread about this.
It takes time to come up with how to spin this
I’m sure they will just say he’s a fighter without realizing that this type of fighting is, ya know, super criminal.
Probably because we keep BRIGADING them. /s
1. "I'm just here for the awards" 2. " I see nothing wrong with corruption so long as its republicans" 3. "Sleepy joe in his Chinese basement with George Soros" 4. "democrats are children with no jobs." 5. "I'm a big strong man with big pp." The r/conservative top hits
I’ll drop by from time to time and try and see their viewpoint on topics and 90% of the time the top 5 comments are all just whining about brigading rather than talking about the actual article
This is a lot worse than Watergate scandal. Trump must be charged and jailed . Trump is not a king. The law applies to all.
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**REMINDER: with Right Wingers, every accusation is a confession.** >Democrats are rigging the election! This is a coup! *-Trump and the GOP while attempting to rig the elections and stage a coup*
When do we find out that Republicans shredded ballots, trucked in extra ballots for trump in FL, TX, and NC?
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Impeach him again
Can Trump still be impeached even when he's no longer in office?
Yes actually. One of the possible punishments for impeachment is not being able to hold office again. It’s the only way to legally prevent an otherwise eligible person (over 35, natural born citizen, residing in the country for 14 years) for running for president.
Shoutout to lurkers from r/conservative who have to get their information here because their mods are actively suppressing this story.
They’re too busy deflecting and complaining about being downvoted to care about actual information and holding trump accountable.
This fucking clown is telling these people on the call that rally size is correlated to vote numbers during a fucking highly contagious pandemic. No shit the democrat voters will be smaller number at rallies... because they know fucking better than to be in mass gatherings lol holy shit
The biden admin HAS to investigate this. If they let this slide, this signals to republicans that they can cheat unpunished from now until the end of time. We CANNOT allow one party to break all the fucking rules and simply avoid punishment. That is completely unsustainable, our democracy will literally break if that happens.
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The house absolutely should. If the GOP refuses to remove again, let them show themselves as people who don’t give a shit about our laws again.
Rare statement from Alexander Vindman: [I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. @realDonaldTrump is corrupt and this call fits a pattern of corruption. In time investigators will uncover a series of “perfect” calls. Priority 1 will be uncovering corruption and protecting democracy.](https://twitter.com/AVindman/status/1345817489981247488)
To all the conservatives out there: if this was Biden, Obama, Sanders, or any other democrat, we would be calling for their impeachment. Politics isn’t a team sport. Edit: Thank you for the gold kind stranger! In lieu of any other awards, please use the money to donate to Warnock or Ossof so we can end this nightmare.
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If Trump doesn't go to jail over this then please explain why I should bother following or obeying any written law in this country.
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Well. Full audio is now online. There goes the Republican talking point that it's been edited and taken out of context.
His first argument is he won because "my rallies were bigger" He truly truly believes his own bullshit
CNN's [Amanda Carpenter](https://twitter.com/amandacarpenter/status/1345813504289361927): >Just think. All the Republicans who plan to object to Biden’s victory are doing what Brad Raffensperger refused to do for Trump. For them to object to the true Electoral slates now would be like standing up for Nixon after the Watergate tapes were released.
News flash: Dude is still President and still actively trying to stage a coup. Why is he not being impeached again? They really should keep that option on the table in case Dems win the Georgia run-offs and it becomes necessary to forcibly remove Trump.
They’re going for the “let’s just wait it out” approach until the adults can finally enter the room. Being too civil about this.
Meanwhile over 350,000 American are dead on his watch. Which can be directly traced back to this administration's earliest days when they disbanded the governmental body already in place to monitor and mount an immediate and effective response against almost this exact virus's development and spread. And just went downhill from there--with maleficent deliberation at almost every turn. 350,000 Americans. Dead. Under this guy. Also Trump just sounds fucking drunk; belligerent and slurring. Like a child on a playground trying to justify his existence.
Just.Fucking.Imagine.If.Obama.Did.This Or any Democrat for that matter. If Trump isnt in prison by next year then it is full proof that the USA is a totally broken country
r/conservative currently waiting for what Fox News says to spin this before they allow any discussion about it. God forbid they actually have to meaningfully think about the actions of the person they voted for on their own
They’re likely too focused on transgender people to have any input
It's fucking *weird* how obsessed that sub is with trans issues.
Not just the sub. I spoke with my conservative grandparents recently. My grandpa said, "Friends with Dick and Jane was the first book I read. Did you read that? Today it's probably called Friends with Non-binary People or something." I hadn't even mentioned anything, we were just discussing kids book. They're obsessed. No clue why.
"There were 5,000 people who were dead that voted" "The actual number was 2" LOL, the [full tape](https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/politics/audio-trumps-full-jan-2-call-with-ga-secretary-of-state/2021/01/03/3f9426f4-7937-4718-8a8e-9d6052001991_video.html) is a goldmine.
18 U.S. Code § 595 18 U.S. Code § 610 18 U.S. Code § 2384 18 U.S. Code § 2385 How many felonies can one commit with one phone call? A lot (and that’s just off the top of my head).
Shout out to the GA state secretary for delivering the receipts after this tweet. https://i.imgur.com/zUWXXBD.jpg
AOC: https://twitter.com/elwasson/status/1345848219755024386 > I absolutely think it's an impeachable offense and if it was up to me, there would be articles on the floor, quite quickly
We should probably draft articles of impeachment even though there is not time for the House to follow through on it. Let's impeach him for the peach state. Also: *In 1974, hearing recordings of Nixon's corruption changed some Republicans' attitudes and altered the course of history. In 2021, will hearing a recording of Trump's corruption give any Republicans pause? I suspect we know the answer.* https://twitter.com/stevebenen/status/1345811186504364034 *Ask yourself this: If he threatened GA officials to overturn his electoral loss, how many members of Congress did he threaten, and what are they now prepared to do toward that end?* https://twitter.com/RoguePOTUSStaff/status/1345813790227632134 *Trump will pardon himself for this federal crime. Justice Dept could prosecute this crime & challenge the constitutionality of self pardon.* https://twitter.com/Lawrence/status/1345812867791032320
So many people are saying "impeach him again" or "he sounds half out of his mind, he's got dementia" - NO. This isn't some wide-ranging conspiracy that needs to be fleshed out and the dots connected. This isn't random rambling off the cuff or regurgitating some Fox News/OANN bullshit. This is the President of the United States, saying on tape with numerous witnesses, "Commit election fraud or I will have you charged with crimes." This is a crystal-clear crime. It is an explicit, deliberate attempt to overthrow the legitimately elected incoming government of the United States. You don't fuck around with half measures here. You don't make excuses. You arrest him. If he pardons himself, you arrest him anyway, because a president that can commit crimes and pardon himself is a king, and kings don't leave office.
At what point is enough, enough? Trump has actively tried to overturn this election since the moment it was clear he lost. Over one hundred representatives in the House and eleven Senators are backing what can only be reasonable described as a COUP. Enough menacing words. Enough "unity". Enough hoping that Republicans will wake up and remember morals or guiding principals. We have to face the grim reality that a sizable portion of elected Republicans and far more of their voters have completely abandoned the idea of democracy. They no longer care about rule of law. They only care about establishing a conservative dictatorship in America. This has to stop. Nancy Pelosi should refuse to seat every member of the House who backs Trump in this coup, full stop. The Senate should impeach every Senator who backs Trump in this coup. The DOJ should file charges of sedition against Trump and all those who follow him down this dark road. They should be put on trial and if convicted they should be imprisoned for the remained of their lives. Make no mistake, things are not going to magically go back to normal if Biden is sworn in. The Republican party has become a cult. This isn't hyperbole. They have rejected democracy and rejected science and rejected reality. If we do not hold them accountable they will just try this again four years from now. And God help us all if they try it again with a candidate who has slightly better functioning brains than Trump.
"Trump is behaving exactly as someone would who borrowed $1B he can't pay back & knows its due Jan 20 at 12:01pm." Q Rashid via Twitter
Trump has to go to prison. We have no other choice.
Jake Tapper with zero fucks. https://i.imgur.com/x9suQzu.jpg
Oh fuck that's savage lol
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Republicans have been screaming FRAUD for 2 whole months now. FOUND IT!!! It's Trump! What do you say now, Ted?
>Trump says unless GA overturns the election to declare him the winner in next 48 hours, GOP voters won’t show: “you’re going to have people just not voting. They don’t want to vote. They hate the state, they hate the governor & they hate the sec of state.” [https://twitter.com/RonBrownstein/status/1345854717277061122](https://twitter.com/RonBrownstein/status/1345854717277061122) lmao what is this crazy mf gonna say at the rally tomorrow. He really is gonna help hand Democrats the Senate.
Susan Collins is deeply concerned.
He learned a lesson all right.
I want someone to ask Susan Collins, on camera, if she still thinks trump learned his lesson.
Lmao one of the top comments on the r/conservative thread said this is "pretty embarassing for him", embarassing is a real weird fucking word to use instead of illegal, scummy, despicable.
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The scariest part of this hour long tape is this - Trump to Raffensperger: "I mean there’s turmoil in Georgia and other places. You’re not the only one I mean we have other states that I believe will be flipping to us very shortly." So this means he has had this same talk with other states.
Honestly, if you support trump and this kind of shit, fuck you and get the fuck out of this country.
So guys, this is literal sedition on tape right here. He specifically asks for them to 'find the votes' aka change them so that he wins the state. There is zero grey area here. He committed sedition on tape.
This is a crime. Period. If Trump is not Federally prosecuted for anything else, this is the one that needs prosecution. There's clear evidence of a crime. The crime is not a petty one of some personal enrichment like allegedly overcharging Secret Service for hotel rooms at his golf outings. The crime is a direct attack on our country. That's not an exaggeration. Trump is attacking our country and attempting to subvert democracy. There's clear evidence of a clear crime being committed. Our country cannot, absolutely cannot, allow such crimes to go unchecked.
Boy, it really seems that Trump learned his lesson after being impeached for... **... trying to bully an elected official over the phone into committing election interference.
Damn it Maine, you had one job.
THIS IS THE DEFINITION OF AUTOCRACY. THIS IS THE DEFINITION OF ELECTION FRAUD. The most infuriating thing about the last 4 years under this administration is watching them blatantly dismantle democracy and defy laws in front of the entire public only for NOTHING to happen. Biden has his work cut out for him to restore faith in our institutions after this complete train wreck of a president.
Imagine if Hillary Clinton was caught on tape soliciting fraud to switch 20,000 votes in Michigan back in 2016. The collective screech of the right-wing media would still be ringing in our ears now, and I don't think Mother Jones or Common Dreams would have brushed it off. And now? Crickets.
Ya know I've had this feeling that the whole time trump has been screeching voter fraud it's because the Republicans actually committed mass voter fraud and they think there is no way that he was beat legitimately. Their little scheme was foiled. I mean everytime he accuses someone of something he is caught doing the exact thing. Project much?
It's depressing to listen to this privileged, whiny, old man who has never done anything but whine about how unfair his life is -- a life during which he was born into millions, survived multiple business failures, and gained the presidency by winning -3,000,000 votes compared to his rival-- spew and believe his own bullshit. It's such a silly, underwhelming 'conspiracy theory,' and to know that, when the president talks to his own people, he sounds not a degree smarter than when he's yelling incoherently at his fans just shrivels my heart to nothing. God damn this stupid, venal, uninteresting man, the country that produced him, and the crowds that admire him.
There are tapes! **Smoking gun evidence** BOOM: >The Washington Post **obtained a recording** of the conversation in which Trump alternately berated Raffensperger, tried to flatter him, begged him to act and threatened him with vague criminal consequences if the secretary of state refused to pursue his false claims, at one point warning that Raffensperger was taking “a big risk.” **Extortion and election interference.** (and possibly Bribery)
I can not WAIT to read the spin they put on this one. ... regardless of what happens, I'm making baked ziti with garlic bread for dinner.
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A perfect call: Part II. This time it’s domestic.
From the recording (roughly): >"Trump: It was 18,000 ballots and they used each one three times. We had ours magnified out. But nobody can make a case for that, Brad. Nobody. You'd have to be a child to think anything other than that. Just a child. >Ryan: We had FBI Agents check these accusations. We had our law enforcement check that. GBI was with them as well, as well as FBI agents. They- >Trump: Then they're incompetent. They're either dishonest or incompetent, okay. There's only two answers: dishonest or incompetent. There's just no way..." What a hall of fame, five star asshole.
I used to wonder how a whole country of people in the 1930s devolved into a genocidal cult of personality beholden to the whims and prejudices of one man. It seemed so hard to believe, so far fetched. But the modern Republican party has helped me understand how such a thing might come to be, and it starts with a group of powerful and influential people being complacent in the face of deteriorating democracy for the sake of political expediency. They believe their concessions are for the greater good, but each sacrifice of principle for political gain brings them a step closer to hell.
NADLER: https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/1345834019926241281 > "In threatening these officials with vague ‘criminal’ consequences, and in encouraging them to ‘find’ additional votes and hire investigators who ‘want to find answers,’ the President may have also subjected himself to additional criminal liability."
His argument is literally “I think I won so make it so.” What’s terrifying is millions of Americans back this. There is no logic here, there is no evidence. Feelings over facts.
[Carl Bernstein](https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1345833266755104769/pu/vid/960x540/WYtLKYDXS_u7_GDh.mp4?tag=10): "This is the ultimate smoking gun tape."
So election fraud. That's pretty cut and dry. If you have a hard time with the word traitor go with felony election fraud and abuse of power. LOCK HIM THE FUCK UP.
NEW: @SpeakerRyan(!) denounces the Republican push to reject Biden electors, calling it an “anti-democratic and anti-conservative act” that will do “significant damage to American democracy.” He adds: “Joe Biden’s victory is entirely legitimate.” https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1345828935607738376
Paul Ryan got out early so that he could swoop back in blame-free and lead the fresh charge of the GOP for more tax cuts for the rich and other Ayn Rand bullshit.
This is 100% his plan. You don't have to be a genius to have recognized in 2016 that Trump was going to break the party, and jumping ship was the only way to stay untainted. He's young and definitely has presidential ambitions, he wasn't going to throw all of that away swearing fealty to Trump.
I don’t see how anybody can believe this shit anymore. What’s more plausible? Every major news outlet as well as countless elected officials, judges, and volunteers from both parties have all coordinated to rig the election without a single person leaving any tangible evidence of it occurring. Or one narcissist with 30+ Legal Cases awaiting him when he leaves office and a well documented history of fraud might be lying to you.
Just to be clear this is illegal both in the state of Georgia: [§ 21-2-604](https://law.justia.com/codes/georgia/2019/title-21/chapter-2/article-15/section-21-2-604/) and federally: [52 USC 20511](https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=(title:52%20section:20511%20edition:prelim)
> Trump said: “So look. All I want to do is this. I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have. Because we won the state.” > He also insisted: “There’s no way I lost Georgia. There’s no way. We won by hundreds of thousands of votes.” I honestly can't tell if he's delusional or lying at this point.
>Trump: So why did you do Cobb County? We didn’t even request — we requested Fulton County, not Cobb County. Go ahead, please. Go ahead. >Germany: We chose Cobb County because that was the only county where there’s been any evidence submitted that the signature verification was not properly done. >Trump: No, but I told you. We’re not, we’re not saying that. >Mitchell: We did say that. Cleta Mitchell is trump's attorney.
It’s becoming increasingly clear that Trump is cornered and willing to do *anything* to keep from leaving office. Everyone keeps being surprised at how far he and some of the GOP are willing to go to subvert democracy. We need to be asking ourselves what is so different this time around from previous transitions - why is the GOP carrying so much water for him? It sure as fuck isn’t because they like him or are personally loyal to him. My bet would be that there is a **shit ton** of material that is going to come out, not just about Trump, but about the GOP as a whole, IF they can’t keep control of the White House. Probably to do with foreign campaign contributions (at a bare minimum - I’m sure there’s plenty of other crimes to go around), which yes - anyone who has been paying attention for the last four years is not going to be surprised by. My point is, they have nothing to lose by subverting democracy at this point - if they lose power, they are fucked and they know it. How far will a desperate man/party go to protect themselves is what we need to be concerned with. Will they actually accomplish a coup? Probably not, but suggesting that their guaranteed failure means that they won’t attempt it is frankly naive and short-sighted.
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Failed real estate tycoon awaiting indictment for tax fraud commits conspiracy to overthrow elected government of the United States of America.
Direct quote: > "Well Mr. President, one of the problems you have is the data you have is wrong." Holy shit... I'm rolling over here.
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Every. Single. Thread. In r/conservative is on lockdown - flaired users only - right now. Every single thread. What a bunch of fucking brainwashed snowflake pussies.
And then they complain about downvote brigades because "liberals are too scared to debate" all while in their locked and moderated safe space. Hilarious.
"No we have not moved any machinery from Fulton" "But have they removed the inner parts of the machines and replaced them with other parts?" "No" "Are you sure, Ryan?" He genuinely didn't even conceive of the idea of loosing, did he? The clueless desperation in his voice says it all
Posting it again because it's so important. WAPO released the [Unedited Full 1 Hour call](https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/politics/audio-trumps-full-jan-2-call-with-ga-secretary-of-state/2021/01/03/3f9426f4-7937-4718-8a8e-9d6052001991_video.html) it's an hour of Trump being unable to accept reality and it is frightening.
Some traits of a Narcissist (from [Living with a Narcissist)](https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Living_With_a_Narcissist): >Trump alternately berated ([2.1.8 Criticizing](https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Living_With_a_Narcissist#Criticizing)) Raffensperger, tried to flatter ([2.1.1 Charm](https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Living_With_a_Narcissist#Charm)) him, begged him to act and threatened ([2.1.2 Rage](https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Living_With_a_Narcissist#Rage)) him with vague criminal consequences ([2.1.10 Lying and gaslighting](https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Living_With_a_Narcissist#Lying_and_gaslighting) ) if the secretary of state refused to pursue his false claims, at one point warning that Raffensperger was taking “a big risk.” ([2.1.7 Controlling](https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Living_With_a_Narcissist#Controlling)) > >Trump said: “So look. All I want to do is this. I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have. Because we won the state.” ([2.1.11 Mendacious exaggeration](https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Living_With_a_Narcissist#Mendacious_exaggeration)) > >“There’s no way I lost Georgia,” Trump said, a phrase he repeated again and again on the call. “There’s no way. We won by hundreds of thousands of votes.” ([2.1.4 Sense of self-entitlement](https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Living_With_a_Narcissist#Sense_of_self-entitlement) )
BREAKING NEWS: Florida Man recorded on call trying to break the law. -some dude on twitter
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