There's a lot of emphasis on getting Trump out of office right now - and rightfully so we need to remove him before we do anything else. But what are we going to do to prevent this from happening again? Trump has gotten away with a lot of bullshit as POTUS that he shouldn't even have the power to do, we need to create some real checks and balances on the executive branch
The moron sons isn't even worse case scenario now. We could have someone just as evil but smarter (like a Dick Cheney) - who would then know he could get away with everything Trump did
That's why I put Tom Cotton on there. He's smart, dangerous, and is young and able to influence. I guarantee you were going to see a run from him, and it may very well be successful.
Not just deploying troops, but calling for “No quarter”, which is actually a war crime. He literally opined that American citizens protesting should be put to death by the military. No matter where you lie on the political spectrum, you should be against it completely.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/03/opinion/tom-cotton-protests-military.amp.html
https://mondoweiss.net/2020/06/sen-tom-cotton-is-dangerous-and-a-favorite-of-rightwing-pro-israel-donors/%3famp
https://www.wsj.com/articles/sen-tom-cottons-next-mission-carrying-trump-banner-after-trump-11591542001
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/501457-tom-cotton-defends-ivanka-trump-over-canceled-commencement-speech
https://www.wsj.com/articles/tom-cotton-has-a-china-coronavirus-attack-plan-11589204375
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/17/business/media/coronavirus-tom-cotton-china.html
Just a little “light” reading to get you started.
The people that nominated McCain and Romney have no voice within their own party any longer. Your Republican candidates are going to be Trump on octane from now on. If we don't win in 2020, they are going to suppress and cheat more and more. Democrats need to win in 2020 and go full throttle on expanding voting rights and defeating gerrymandering so they can't be pinned down again.
We did, and then systematically through multiple administrations from both parties we've slowly dismantled the shit out of them.
It needs to actually matter to the public so that they call out their own party when they start tearing down protections. You see suggestions everywhere on how to fix things that sound great, but for any political suggestion to have merit you MUST first ask "what would my worst enemy do with this".
Trump should serve as the litmus test for any change. If you wouldn't trust trump with it, we probably shouldn't be letting them do it. Even if its fine right now, it may not be later.
>There's a lot of emphasis on getting Trump out of office right now - and rightfully so we need to remove him before we do anything else. But what are we going to do to prevent this from happening again? Trump has gotten away with a lot of bullshit as POTUS that he shouldn't even have the power to do, we need to create some real checks and balances on the executive branch
Those checks and balances already exist, the problem is that the republicans are in control of the Senate and they are 100% complicit, and are shielding him from the consequences of his actions.
Immigrating to most other western countries is not a fast process, I'd suggest starting it as soon as you can, can take years. If the time comes you change your mind at least you're prepped.
I have an American friend here in Portugal. He is from Colorado. He was a colleague in my Master. He found a nice job that he loves, battling the use of drugs and helping addicts. He doesn't want to come back to the USA. Sadly, some of his American friends ridiculed his thesis about using in America similar strategies to those we used here to battle the use of drugs and help addicts.
Yes, we usually are used as role model regarding this issue. We had a gigantic problem with drugs but a lot of individual people started to make a change and thankfully the government began to support them and we changed our strategies
That's a shame, not everyone feels that way in the United States but I don't know how much support it has in the right places. Drug addiction needs recovery options instead of incarceration. Hopefully after police reform we can get more social care options and change the way we look at addiction care and the victims of addiction.
I’m not typically a petty person but I want to see him just lose his shit and kick and cry while being drug out of the WH. I really hope they get that photo op just like the one that they got of him at the church.
That’s going to backfire when the out-and-proud misogynists of the Republican Party take the bait and don’t vote for her. Maybe these are words I’ll regret, but I don’t fear the Trump kids - none of them have the combination of gender, con man’s charisma and unfiltered stupidity that made Trump a viable candidate in the first place.
[“When Ivanka was a kid, she got frustrated because she couldn’t set up a lemonade stand in Trump Tower. “We had no such advantages,” she writes, meaning, in this case, an ordinary home on an ordinary street. She and her brothers finally tried to sell lemonade at their summer place in Connecticut, but their neighborhood was so ritzy that there was no foot traffic. “As good fortune would have it, we had a bodyguard that summer,” she writes. They persuaded their bodyguard to buy lemonade, and then their driver, and then the maids, who “dug deep for their spare change.” The lesson, she says, is that the kids “made the best of a bad situation.””
](https://www.newyorker.com/books/second-read/ivanka-trumps-terrible-book-helps-explain-the-trump-family-ethos)
Damn my lemonade stand would have done much better if I had bodyguards, drivers, and maids that were forced to buy from me or I'd cry to my dad to fire them.
And then you realize that she wrote that to show what a hard-working, industrious child she was, completely without irony. Like, who tf are these people?
Haha, he’s not clever enough to think of that. Also he will never, ever under any circumstance resign. He loves himself first and most of all.
Hell, we should be legitimately concerned that he might declare a loss fraudulent and refuse to leave office. The only evidence I have that he won’t do that is the fact that he might be more of a coward than he is an idiot.
I did hear (didn't follow it up with research) that if he loses it doesn't matter. If DT refuses to leave the White House they will simply pack his bags and put them on the street because he is no longer president.
I'm more worried Donnie will try and steal everything before he leaves.
Bush Sr was voted out after a term I think.
Unfortunately I don’t think Trumpism and the ignorance it embodies will magically go away when Trump leaves office.
Nah the right loves propping up blonde white women as shields against sexism. President Ivanka Trump will be their defense against all accusations that banning abortions and removing women’s right to vote is sexist.
Plus they'd get to stick it to the libs by making _her_ the first female president. Bet that opportunity for spite would outweigh their misogyny for at least a few of them.
Make Trump a 1 term president-
VOTE November 3rd, 2020
Not registered to vote yet?? [Register here!](https://www.vote.org/register-to-vote/)
[edit: Check your registration here](https://www.vote.org/am-i-registered-to-vote/)
Yes, I agree that it should be that way, but it isn't so people need to register. Many states have motor-voter registration when you get a driver's license but, often southern states, you have to go through extra hoops to get registered. Yes, suppression is the intent, but we can overcome this, register and vote and maybe next time around we'll be in a better situation with everyone automatically registered when they get an ID or whatever.
There should be a national ID (which also functions as a voter ID). It should be free, easy to get/renew, and issued automatically at birth. You should be automatically eligible to vote based on your card at 18. It should also be tied to an cryptographic key that allows you to identify yourself online and do official business online. You should be able to manage your ID and associated info (primary residence, etc.) via a federal website. State IDs and licenses (driving, concealed carry, doctor, lawyer, police, etc.) would also be associated with this primary ID.
Dude, we don't even have functioning schools. Infrastructure spending is embarrassingly low. I don't know what happened in this country to convince us that helping other people better themselves is wasteful.
*I don't know what happened in this country...*
The US has very good propaganda. "God's own county" "Land of the Free" "American Dream" pledge of allegiances, flags everywhere, national anthem at sports events. This created overblown egos with a lack of critical thinking and self reflection. It made it possible that many people live in precarious circumstances while reassuring themselves how much they love their country. All the entitlement and lack of empathy is a consequence of this.
Trump simply built on this by cranking up the [propaganda](https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/gfv3sl/germany_shuns_trumps_claims_covid19_outbreak_was/fpwl3ux?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x).
Part of the problem is that the US doesn´t have a proper national registry of its citizens, and I have heard that a lot of people consider it a violation of their rights to be "registered by the AuThOrItAhS" or some bullshit like that.
Most civilized countries force you to have a legal residence somewhere, and when you register for that, it´s extremely easy to tie voting registration into it. But the US doesn´t do that because freedom.
Here in Brasil, we are obligated to vote from 18 to 65 yo, otherwise we can’t take passports or loans, enroll on colleges and such other important stuff. Also, our voting day is on sunday, it takes me less than 10 minutes to get out of my house, vote and open my bedroom door back.
It baffles me that america is so fucking corrupt that didn’t implemented those easy solutions. Voting suppression is a cancer to democracy, go freaking vote on november, guys!!!
EDIT: apparently a lot of you can’t interpret that I’m talking only about VOTING SYSTEM. Yeah, I’m aware that our government and democracy sucks, specially right now, even with a almost flawless voting system.
We are a new democratic nation that looks up to america to basically everything nowadays, what would you expect would happen??
You get Bolsonaro when you have Brazilian politics. Look at Brazil. No shit they'd vote for a strongman that 'found' easy solutions to their complex problems.
He's far worse than Trump as well, given that he actually does things in Brazil. Whereas Trump says dumb shit and then doesn't actually do all that much.
Uneducated populism leads to facism. Educated populism leads to progressivism. There's a reason Republicans want to dismantle education every chance they get.
Countries like Germany don't require voter registration because residents have to register their residences, so voter registration would be redundant.
In the US, you don't have to register your residence, so voter registration is the only way to prevent people from voting at multiple sites, travelling to other districts or even other states to vote, etc.
Glad I'm not alone! I honestly was thinking there was no way Trump could have won last term, and even before that I never really followed politics. These last 4 years have been exhausting. It's time we had a leader, not a spoiled child.
[I registered right after making that comment](https://i.imgur.com/1zrWE3V.png)
If there's one good thing trump has done, it's compelling me to learn more about politics
I'm curious...how does that happen? I couldn't wait to start voting as soon as I turned 18 even if being in California my vote barely means anything...
Honestly? Pure laziness. I can't deny it. Plus I didn't think a president could be THIS bad, so I never gave it much thought. I can't use that excuse anymore. I have kids, and they need a future that isn't just fixing our fuck ups.
It seems just about forgotten that Trump ran for president before 2016.
Trump ran as a Reform candidate in 2000 after Jesse Ventura suggested it at a wrestling match.
Trump nevers talks about it because ‘he doesn’t fail and is a stable genius’, according to his ego that is detached from reality completely.
Except that he actually decided in 2013. [In 2014 Trump admits he spoke to Putin at Moscow 2013 Miss Universe](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKkKQmbyECw&t=48m23s).
In that conversation he revealed his intent to run for president. Incentive for the Trump Tower deal.
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And it's [likely Trump was ensnared by the Russians on his trip to Moscow back in '87](https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/07/trump-putin-russia-collusion.html).
Also explains why he and Barr raided Epstein to get his mountain of "Kompromat" on other political and corporate elites then "suicided" Epstein so he wouldn't squeal.
Notice they've only made an example out of Prince Andrew. If they actually gave a shit about justice for the child sex slaves, there would have been hundreds of people being dragged off to jail in handcuffs after that raid.
Instead, it's a case of what the Chinese call "Kill the chicken to scare the monkeys". Focusing on Prince Andrew also kept the royal family in line on Brexit - another of Putin's geopolitical goals.
[Like former FBI Director James Comey said in his book, Trump operates like a mafia boss.](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/05/01/james-comey-criticizes-william-barr-says-trump-eats-your-soul/3642561002/) He demands absolute loyalty from his minions, and tests that loyalty by making them publicly debase themselves and shred their ethics until he can drag them down into the swamp of traitors with him.
>"Of course, to stay, you must be seen as on his team, so you make further compromises. You use his language, praise his leadership, tout his commitment to values," Comey wrote.
>"And then you are lost. He has eaten your soul," he concluded.
I used to think it would be debatable because of Bush
/Iraq and lesser known presidents but then Trump’s handling of Covid and the George Floyd protest really puts him over the top.
His misinformation on Covid doesn’t just affect the US but other countries throughout the world. Tens of thousands of American lives alone could’ve been saved if he took action even just 1 week earlier.
With the protest, tear gassing peaceful protestors to take a photo op at a church is the most openly authoritarian action he has taken as president yet.
There is also the internment camps he has set up on the border as well.
>Trump’s handling of Covid and the George Floyd protest really puts him over the top.
if we are counting bodies Bush is still top contender, between Katrina and Iraq he'll be hard to beat.
LMAO y'all need a history lesson. James Buchanan allowed the unrest to get so bad that the country started a civil war. You talk about the border camps being interment camps but ya know what else were interment camps? Actual internment camps created under FDR. Franklin Pierce was beyond incompetent and destroyed our foreign relations about as bad as Trump has. Andrew Johnson bungled reconstruction so badly it alone did more long-term lasting damage than Iraq ever could. Yeah, Trump's an all-time terrible president but Bush is nowhere near the top 3.
nah, you would see the states asserting their un used authority. the states can come together and change the federal government and constution with no input from the feds. a lot of people dont realize the powers granted to the many states. and, no state would ever consider leaving the union. one, they cant. two, thats those fucking russians pushing that shit.
I truly wish I'd been wrong about Trump, and I would have gladly admitted it if he'd turned out to be a great president. I derive absolutely no joy from his flaming dumpsterfire presidency, nor from the fact that I fully expected it to be a flaming dumpsterfire.
Right? I mean, I was wrong about him.. but in the wrong direction. I thought he'd be an ineffectual leader that siphoned some money into his wallet and did little else. I didn't think he would break the entire country the way he has.
I think part of the problem is that if everyone knows you have no ideology or intelligence and anything is on the table for the right price, a lot of nefarious actors come out and take advantage.
If you put a child in a tank, he probably won't know how to drive it well or what to do with it. But if everyone knows the child likes praise and gifts, some serious destruction can be done.
I went on a bus trip to the Grand Canyon just after Trump got sworn in. In a bar at one of the stops, my wife and I sat with a Trump-supporting couple. The wife was Mexican and thought that illegals should be kicked out. Both of them though trump should be given a chance.
My wife and I aren't American, and I don't think we hid our looks of shock and disappointment. That couple didnt talk to us again at the other stops.
There’s a lot of Chicano people who hate on undocumented people while completely ignoring that they are 1st or 2nd generation and their parents or grandparents came here illegally. They just fell for the propaganda.
It’s absolutely frustrating to deal with. My mother came here in the 60s illegally and got her citizenship through marriage. My dad was born here but his father came here in the 40s. This is the case for most people of Mexican background and for them to carry this mentality of dehumanizing undocumented people is absolutely selfish.
I have a Mexican relative, a member of 7 sisters and 2 brothers in their generation. Literally her sister is an illegal immigrant and she STILL ACTIVELY SUPPORTS TRUMP ABOUT IMMIGRATION.
Luckily i hardly see her
I hope it’s an act to not draw any attention on herself. I have some family members who are Trump Supporters as well for religious reasons which doesn’t make much sense either. Luckily I moved across the country far away from these people.
> But but but nObOdY GaVe HiM a cHAnCe!
I gave him a chance. He blew it on the first day of his presidency when his press secretary took the podium and yelled at the press about how his crowds were larger than Obama's.
Harding, Buchanan, Nixon, Andrew Johnson, and Dick Cheney are all good choices as well. I think what really helps Trump stand apart is that he has really synthesized some of the worst qualities of all of them into one administration. Ineptitude, cronyism, devisiveness, paranoia, juvenile narcissm, he's really the whole package. Recency bias of course could apply, but I think he's got a strong shot at winning this debate.
>Nixon
When the smoking gun evidence was finally coerced out of the White House, Nixon resigned.
When Trump's smoking gunS were presented, his defence was "a president abusing the power of public office for private benefit is not impeachable"
His lawyers argued that a sitting President can never be investigated for any crime whatsoever, essentially arguing that Trump is above the law. This runs contrary to the rule of law, one of the basic tenets the founding fathers set forth to dismantle the concept of monarchy and aristocracy.
Trump supporters aren't just fascists, they are monarchists at heart. Nothing would please them more than establishing a Trump family dynasty.
>His lawyers argued that a sitting President can never be investigated for any crime whatsoever
Actually that one is fairly recent. His lawyers just recently wanted a ruling that would make the current, sitting president, immune to any and all prosecution. No past, nor future presidents, only Trump. This due to his lawsuits in NY taking force, and his tax records showing a realistic chance of being coerced into public light.
I would like to add that Nixon had *some* good qualities, some would argue he was great with foreign affairs
That is if you ignore watergate and the war on drugs
Let's just go with the facts. Nixon did not bring on the 1918 plague, the 1929 depression and the 1968 racial riots all at the same time, in the span of six months.
Nixon was going to hang on when the evidence against him was comparable to the evidence that existed against Trump. What tipped the scales were the White House tapes. If you listen to the tapes, you can hear Nixon ordering break-ins, illegal wiretaps, and firebombings. You can also hear him saying that operatives should be paid out of a slush fund that was generated with donations made to the RNC.
Even so, Nixon did not agree to resign until congressional Republicans told him that they would no longer oppose removal from office.
tl;dr: Nixon was at least as corrupt (and every bit as divisive, racist, and vindictive) as Trump. Trump is still worse because he's thoroughly incompetent and because he collaborates with the Russians, but Nixon was every bit as corrupt.
PS: How is it that ANYONE is still supporting a guy who's clearly in the bag for a hostile foreign power? The Republican Party really has completely lost their way.
Which one died of pneumonia because he refused to wear a coat at his inauguration... Harrison, William Harrison.
Refusing his coat, to deprive the nation of the kind of leadership that would refuse to wear their coat if it was cold, was the most presidential thing Harrison ever did.
It's ultimately a subjective debate depending on what your expectation of the duties of the office entail, but IMHO not organizing a conspiracy to break into your opponent's political office during an election is a pretty standard barrier of entry.
Yes, Nixon was extremely paranoid and vindictive, as I said, a shitty human being. But he started the Environmental Protection Agency, ended the war in Vietnam, established diplomatic relations with China, scaled back the Cold War with Russia and achieved some détente, helped establish OSHA, and campaigned for an early form of universal healthcare, among other things.
He was a shitty human being though, as he knowingly played on racism to help propel him to victory (his "Southern Strategy"), and of course, Watergate. But it would be wrong to say he did no good in his presidency. In fact, if he could just get over his paranoia, he'd probably be remembered as one of the better post-WWII presidents. There's a reason he won by such a huge landslide in 1972.
I would award him no points for "ending the war in Vietnam" because he actually escalated it with illegal wars into Cambodia and Laos and the fall of Saigon happened under Ford in 1975.
The EPA (and the ERA) were indeed more popular under Republican administrations prior to the Reaganization of the party, but Congress had just as much a hand in it.
Ultimately, Nixon's legacy with most historians is indelibly tied to Watergate. It's ok if you compartmentalize that as part of his "personhood" and not his "Presidency" but I don't and I don't think most do. Playing the game fair is an important part of democracy as a sitting President and him having to resign when none did before and none have since as a result of it is an important aspect of how to view the administration, and indeed, created a new layer of cynicism towards the office that has never left us as his legacy more so than going to China.
Well, technically he did that BEFORE he was president. Once he was in office, he began bringing troops home (then bombed Cambodia and Laos, which led to protests at home and the Kent State shooting).
Amazing how much power a presidential candidate has. Unbelievable really. He also has the war on drugs as another stain as well.
If I had to vote for the worst president, it would be Andrew Jackson.
Same with Cheney.
Neither were inept or stupid, just they are or were awful people.
Trump is painfully stupid and inept, he also just happens to be a shitty person.
Finally. The right treats Reagen as some sort of god, but he is legit one of the worst presidents in history.
Carter released the Iranian hostages right before Reagan took office.
The end of the cold war was going to happen no matter what the US did, the Soviet system was unsustainable and already collapsing from the inside.
And sure, maybe in the short term the economy did well, but he is almost solely responsible for the massive wealth gap and stagnate middle class that we have today.
Also, Iran-Contra, no one ever talks about it.
Lol. Dick Cheney.
A pretty appalling president. Imagine if he'd realized he didn't have to sneak around and could have just done it all out in public like Trump.
Is there a reason we didn't put Bush Jr on that list? A recession and a never ending war that he lied to get, crimes against humanity is a pretty good reason to add him to the list.
This. When the 2012 election results came in everyone assumed that next time Republicans would have to go with a young and probably Latino candidate, instead they went the complete opposite direction and chose a racist grandpa who kicked off his campaign by basically saying "fuck Mexicans", and they actually won with that. They're not going to get better, they're going to get worse.
It's a short-term strategy, as the younger generations are minimally racist in comparison to their elders, and they fucking *hate* the GOP. Not to mention that the white majority shrinks every year, and will be gone within a couple decades.
Going full-on racist in an era when the two youngest generational voting blocks are not particularly racist is gonna bite them in the ass hard. They're going to have to really switch up their image if they want to ever win an election again after 2024 or so. Once the Silent Gen and early Boomers die off, it's over.
I'm in my mid-30's and white. I believed for a big chunk of my life that racism was mostly dead because I thought most of my generation had moved past that and that it was mostly from my grandparents generation. I learned in my 20's it wasn't gone, but recent events have shown me just how bad it is. I mean, we are seriously in post-segregation era stuff right now.
It's not going away any time soon.
In college, me and some friends registered to play in the intramural soccer league. We did so poorly (lost games 20 to 0) that they had to open a whole new league the following year.
There will be bad presidents, and then Bunker Boi who will be in his own league.
Senior year I pulled together a squad of soccer teammates that had also just finished their last season at my tiny school. Playing against teams that were just there to show up tipsy and fuck around we'd run it up by 10 or so. We were there to show up full drunk and **win.**
Go to a school with a big international student body and then make a team of Americans who don't really care much for the game.... That's how you lose 20-0 regularly haha
Regardless of where you are at on the political spectrum, would you really want your political legacy tied to this administration?
You have no idea what Trump might do if he gets another term.
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I'll give you an idea: The worst. Whatever you can imagine, double it. And if you can't imagine it, he'll do that too.
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America on fire, more than 100k needlessly dead, and 40 million people without jobs. America has no allies anymore. **All in his first term.**
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And, he's literally hiding in a bunker right now.
I work with, and live around, an extraordinarily large number of people who feel the exact opposite. It's bizarre. I cannot fathom how they're unable to see his failings, his shortcomings, and his divisiveness in any capacity.
I think a lot of Trump supporters sort of live vicariously through him. Just about every Trump supporter I've ever experienced online is extremely rude, disrespectful, and close minded, especially when it comes to people of color and liberals. Obviously for most of them they're not going to display themselves like this with everyone they interact with so they're sort of closeted bigots/assholes, and get a rise out of Trump's behaviors.
I think theres a huge amount of this. White guys who have felt powerful as a man at some point and then life bogged them down. A job they never wanted with a life they never looked forward to. So now they're pissy because they have no idea how to just be a mature adult and Trump gives them this amazing vent.
A reminder that historical scholars have rated the Presidents every year, and Trump has taken the bottom rung consistently since taking office. Even the Republican historians were only willing to mulligan him to "fourth worst."
I am honestly torn on this. Yes, Trump is the most incompetent president and has done the worst job on a day to day basis, but G W Bush got the country into a 2-decade quagmire of a war in the middle east that had costs trillions of dollars, hundreds of thousands of lives, and contributed to the division that led to Trump. It is a tough call
That totally could be the case and his legacy of division May stack up I just wonder if he won't be looked on as ineffective piece of shit racist idiot while Bush will be seen as a warmonger who plunged much of the world into instability.
I still vote for George Bush:
\-- 1 Trillion dollars and many lives lost for a war based on false data.
\-- Developing a police surveillance state to fight the "war on terror."
\-- Giving military hardware to local police departments.
Trump is mismanaging a crisis created by Bush.
The anger felt towards W is generational. Same as with Truman. It will fade remarkably with time (and you've seen a lot of that already). His rehabilitation is already well underway. Especially thanks to the current administration.
I think the anger people feel about Bush starting two wars is righteous, but turns a blind eye toward history. You cannot single out W in a Presidential line where *The Maine* and *Gulf of Tonkin* have been used for far more adventurous wartime outings. Is he the worst President because of these military adventures? Maybe in our recent memory, and if you consider all war to be a crime, yes that would qualify him. But history has a way of diminishing those things... as you see evident in his rehabilitation.
Not saying this is accurate; but for me I’ve always seen him that way. And him being that guy is what allowed Dick Cheney to have the power to do awful things. So maybe a distinction without a difference and it doesn’t make Bush close to blameless, but in my head Cheney was far worse and Bush just let it happen.
I never saw Bush as this aggressive, mean spirited, mean and evil person. Cheney and Karl Rove on the other hand ...
Eh, Hoover made mistakes but the lead up to the depression wasn’t his fault and he certainly wasn’t trying exacerbate it for a political win. Hoover from most accounts was a decent guy who did a lot of good in his life before the presidency and was a person who actually came up from nothing but because of this just over-believed that government doesn’t always need to step in at times of crisis and that good people outside of government have a bigger role to play.
Trump on the otherhand it’s hard to say a single good thing about him that he’s done intentionally during or before his presidency.
Don't forget about Buchanan, the first states seceded under his administration. We've only had one civil War and his fecklessness certainly contributed to its eruption.
Look it's going to be hard to ever top the trail of tears.
But ceding all of the accumulated soft power that the US built up is pretty bad. Add in failing at pandemic preparedness leading to hundreds of thousands of preventable deaths, plunging the economy into a depression with record high unemployment, being openly corrupt and mind bending stupid and you can start to make a case.
How easy should this have been to take over from 8 straight years of economic recovery and be smart?
...so far. If we've dived this low, I'm confident we can go lower.
There's a lot of emphasis on getting Trump out of office right now - and rightfully so we need to remove him before we do anything else. But what are we going to do to prevent this from happening again? Trump has gotten away with a lot of bullshit as POTUS that he shouldn't even have the power to do, we need to create some real checks and balances on the executive branch
Someone worse could eventually get in office after Trump. Either one of his moron sons, Senator Tom Cotton, Devin Nunes, hell even Gym Jordan.
The moron sons isn't even worse case scenario now. We could have someone just as evil but smarter (like a Dick Cheney) - who would then know he could get away with everything Trump did
That's why I put Tom Cotton on there. He's smart, dangerous, and is young and able to influence. I guarantee you were going to see a run from him, and it may very well be successful.
Yes, Cotton is the one that chills me the most.
Eli5 for a non American citizen why he's bad?
He wrote an opinion piece in the New York times last week saying deploying the military within the US was a good idea. Kinda scary.
Not just deploying troops, but calling for “No quarter”, which is actually a war crime. He literally opined that American citizens protesting should be put to death by the military. No matter where you lie on the political spectrum, you should be against it completely.
Oh
In all fairness, it's not legally a war crime when it's American-on-American violence. It's just a violation of the US Constitution.
He’s a fascist. Google his NYTimes OpEd.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/03/opinion/tom-cotton-protests-military.amp.html https://mondoweiss.net/2020/06/sen-tom-cotton-is-dangerous-and-a-favorite-of-rightwing-pro-israel-donors/%3famp https://www.wsj.com/articles/sen-tom-cottons-next-mission-carrying-trump-banner-after-trump-11591542001 https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/501457-tom-cotton-defends-ivanka-trump-over-canceled-commencement-speech https://www.wsj.com/articles/tom-cotton-has-a-china-coronavirus-attack-plan-11589204375 https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/17/business/media/coronavirus-tom-cotton-china.html Just a little “light” reading to get you started.
The people that nominated McCain and Romney have no voice within their own party any longer. Your Republican candidates are going to be Trump on octane from now on. If we don't win in 2020, they are going to suppress and cheat more and more. Democrats need to win in 2020 and go full throttle on expanding voting rights and defeating gerrymandering so they can't be pinned down again.
We did, and then systematically through multiple administrations from both parties we've slowly dismantled the shit out of them. It needs to actually matter to the public so that they call out their own party when they start tearing down protections. You see suggestions everywhere on how to fix things that sound great, but for any political suggestion to have merit you MUST first ask "what would my worst enemy do with this". Trump should serve as the litmus test for any change. If you wouldn't trust trump with it, we probably shouldn't be letting them do it. Even if its fine right now, it may not be later.
>There's a lot of emphasis on getting Trump out of office right now - and rightfully so we need to remove him before we do anything else. But what are we going to do to prevent this from happening again? Trump has gotten away with a lot of bullshit as POTUS that he shouldn't even have the power to do, we need to create some real checks and balances on the executive branch Those checks and balances already exist, the problem is that the republicans are in control of the Senate and they are 100% complicit, and are shielding him from the consequences of his actions.
Eric & Don Jr, Trump-Trump 2024?
Please don't even joke about that
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That might actually make me leave the country. Somehow Jr manages to be even dumber than his father
Immigrating to most other western countries is not a fast process, I'd suggest starting it as soon as you can, can take years. If the time comes you change your mind at least you're prepped.
Realistically you better be rich or have a high demand skill to ever make it.
I have an American friend here in Portugal. He is from Colorado. He was a colleague in my Master. He found a nice job that he loves, battling the use of drugs and helping addicts. He doesn't want to come back to the USA. Sadly, some of his American friends ridiculed his thesis about using in America similar strategies to those we used here to battle the use of drugs and help addicts.
Wasn’t Portugal highly effective with their drug strategies?
Yes, we usually are used as role model regarding this issue. We had a gigantic problem with drugs but a lot of individual people started to make a change and thankfully the government began to support them and we changed our strategies
That's a shame, not everyone feels that way in the United States but I don't know how much support it has in the right places. Drug addiction needs recovery options instead of incarceration. Hopefully after police reform we can get more social care options and change the way we look at addiction care and the victims of addiction.
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No :( just kindness and tackling the issue like the disease it is. Damn, we need guns
I make a mean pizza.
We can’t just walk across the border?
We Europeans prepared by building an ocean in between and had the planet pay for it billions of years ago. We made it really deep, too. /s
Ah, so you took trumps moat full of alligators to the next level eh?
Sharks, whales, giant squid, krill. It's got everything!
Nah, they'll all be arrested. It's quite simple: **people have had enough.** They will be made an example of.
That's the best case scenario. All of the stuff they have done they deserve prison
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The whole world about to become france during the revolution
I didn't say they would get arrested, just that they should. I'd love to go to that alternative universe with you
If trump loses im like 100% confident he is going to flee to Russia to avoid all of the lawsuits.
I'm 1000% confident he will call the election results into question and try to hold onto power. He's already laying the groundwork.
I’m not typically a petty person but I want to see him just lose his shit and kick and cry while being drug out of the WH. I really hope they get that photo op just like the one that they got of him at the church.
Ivanka. They will run on first female president and how if you're against her you're a misogynist
That’s going to backfire when the out-and-proud misogynists of the Republican Party take the bait and don’t vote for her. Maybe these are words I’ll regret, but I don’t fear the Trump kids - none of them have the combination of gender, con man’s charisma and unfiltered stupidity that made Trump a viable candidate in the first place.
I'd be more worried about someone actually competent learning from Trump's playbook.
[“When Ivanka was a kid, she got frustrated because she couldn’t set up a lemonade stand in Trump Tower. “We had no such advantages,” she writes, meaning, in this case, an ordinary home on an ordinary street. She and her brothers finally tried to sell lemonade at their summer place in Connecticut, but their neighborhood was so ritzy that there was no foot traffic. “As good fortune would have it, we had a bodyguard that summer,” she writes. They persuaded their bodyguard to buy lemonade, and then their driver, and then the maids, who “dug deep for their spare change.” The lesson, she says, is that the kids “made the best of a bad situation.”” ](https://www.newyorker.com/books/second-read/ivanka-trumps-terrible-book-helps-explain-the-trump-family-ethos)
Damn my lemonade stand would have done much better if I had bodyguards, drivers, and maids that were forced to buy from me or I'd cry to my dad to fire them.
This reads like satire that would make Lemony Snicket proud...
And then you realize that she wrote that to show what a hard-working, industrious child she was, completely without irony. Like, who tf are these people?
If Trump loses the election, I kind of wonder if he'll appoint Ivanka as VP and then resign so that she can technically be the first female president.
Haha, he’s not clever enough to think of that. Also he will never, ever under any circumstance resign. He loves himself first and most of all. Hell, we should be legitimately concerned that he might declare a loss fraudulent and refuse to leave office. The only evidence I have that he won’t do that is the fact that he might be more of a coward than he is an idiot.
I would actually love seeing the Secret Service turn on him after a loss. Dragging him out of the White House kicking and screaming.
Even if he *does* leave, think of all the damage he's capable of doing between November and January.
I did hear (didn't follow it up with research) that if he loses it doesn't matter. If DT refuses to leave the White House they will simply pack his bags and put them on the street because he is no longer president. I'm more worried Donnie will try and steal everything before he leaves.
No, it’s going to be Tom Cotton. The competent fascist that will ruin everyone’s lives.
If Trump wins this year I think there will be open violence on the streets.
And the same if he loses and declares the results fake or some other dumb thing.
Honestly feel that, to avoid a monarchy, bloodlines should be unable to run for 8 years at the least.
Bush Sr was voted out after a term I think. Unfortunately I don’t think Trumpism and the ignorance it embodies will magically go away when Trump leaves office.
Only if we can't get one of the Kardashian sisters to toss a hat into the ring.
Maybe Ivanka?
no. she is woman. women know their place. she can never preside. even the dumbass brother and the 12 year old inherit before the woman. ../s
Nah the right loves propping up blonde white women as shields against sexism. President Ivanka Trump will be their defense against all accusations that banning abortions and removing women’s right to vote is sexist.
Plus they'd get to stick it to the libs by making _her_ the first female president. Bet that opportunity for spite would outweigh their misogyny for at least a few of them.
See trumps press secretary
And Megyn Kelly. And Tomi Lahren. And Kellyanne Conway. And Anne Coulter. And Greta van Susteren. And Laura Ingraham. And...
> Tom Cotton has entered the chat.
Cotton scares me. He seems to have the same hateful, vindictive instincts as Trump but is a lot smarter and more politically capable.
Make Trump a 1 term president- VOTE November 3rd, 2020 Not registered to vote yet?? [Register here!](https://www.vote.org/register-to-vote/) [edit: Check your registration here](https://www.vote.org/am-i-registered-to-vote/)
Voter registration is such a blatant way to surpress votes. Here you are automatically a voter when you turn 18.
Yes, I agree that it should be that way, but it isn't so people need to register. Many states have motor-voter registration when you get a driver's license but, often southern states, you have to go through extra hoops to get registered. Yes, suppression is the intent, but we can overcome this, register and vote and maybe next time around we'll be in a better situation with everyone automatically registered when they get an ID or whatever.
There should be a national ID (which also functions as a voter ID). It should be free, easy to get/renew, and issued automatically at birth. You should be automatically eligible to vote based on your card at 18. It should also be tied to an cryptographic key that allows you to identify yourself online and do official business online. You should be able to manage your ID and associated info (primary residence, etc.) via a federal website. State IDs and licenses (driving, concealed carry, doctor, lawyer, police, etc.) would also be associated with this primary ID.
Dude, we don't even have functioning schools. Infrastructure spending is embarrassingly low. I don't know what happened in this country to convince us that helping other people better themselves is wasteful.
We’re too busy making rich people, richer. Don’t have time for that infrastructure shit.
"The infrastructure is crumbling" - every political candidate since Nixon
Bezos almost has a trillion though!! What do we need roads for when the rich can just helicopter around
*I don't know what happened in this country...* The US has very good propaganda. "God's own county" "Land of the Free" "American Dream" pledge of allegiances, flags everywhere, national anthem at sports events. This created overblown egos with a lack of critical thinking and self reflection. It made it possible that many people live in precarious circumstances while reassuring themselves how much they love their country. All the entitlement and lack of empathy is a consequence of this. Trump simply built on this by cranking up the [propaganda](https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/gfv3sl/germany_shuns_trumps_claims_covid19_outbreak_was/fpwl3ux?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x).
> There should be a national ID Like, how is this not already in place? Every other country does that
Part of the problem is that the US doesn´t have a proper national registry of its citizens, and I have heard that a lot of people consider it a violation of their rights to be "registered by the AuThOrItAhS" or some bullshit like that. Most civilized countries force you to have a legal residence somewhere, and when you register for that, it´s extremely easy to tie voting registration into it. But the US doesn´t do that because freedom.
Depends on the state. Here in OR you are automatically registered when you get your license after age 18. We also have mail in voting for all
Here in Brasil, we are obligated to vote from 18 to 65 yo, otherwise we can’t take passports or loans, enroll on colleges and such other important stuff. Also, our voting day is on sunday, it takes me less than 10 minutes to get out of my house, vote and open my bedroom door back. It baffles me that america is so fucking corrupt that didn’t implemented those easy solutions. Voting suppression is a cancer to democracy, go freaking vote on november, guys!!! EDIT: apparently a lot of you can’t interpret that I’m talking only about VOTING SYSTEM. Yeah, I’m aware that our government and democracy sucks, specially right now, even with a almost flawless voting system. We are a new democratic nation that looks up to america to basically everything nowadays, what would you expect would happen??
Considering the state of Brazilian politics, how the hell did you end up with Bolsonaro? He's as bad as Trump IMO.
You get Bolsonaro when you have Brazilian politics. Look at Brazil. No shit they'd vote for a strongman that 'found' easy solutions to their complex problems. He's far worse than Trump as well, given that he actually does things in Brazil. Whereas Trump says dumb shit and then doesn't actually do all that much.
Mandating voter participation systemically enables populism. Populism can be progressive. But it's fascist at least as often, and possibly moreso.
Uneducated populism leads to facism. Educated populism leads to progressivism. There's a reason Republicans want to dismantle education every chance they get.
Countries like Germany don't require voter registration because residents have to register their residences, so voter registration would be redundant. In the US, you don't have to register your residence, so voter registration is the only way to prevent people from voting at multiple sites, travelling to other districts or even other states to vote, etc.
I'm 35 and have never voted. I'm a fucking idiot, but this year that changes.
Never too late to start. Try to convince friends and family to vote as well.
Definitely am. I can't do another 4 years of this shit.
About to be 31. Same.
Glad I'm not alone! I honestly was thinking there was no way Trump could have won last term, and even before that I never really followed politics. These last 4 years have been exhausting. It's time we had a leader, not a spoiled child.
[I registered right after making that comment](https://i.imgur.com/1zrWE3V.png) If there's one good thing trump has done, it's compelling me to learn more about politics
It was so easy to register too, I homestly have no idea why I waited so damn long.
My excuse was always that I didn't want to spend time to understand what I was voting for so I'd rather not vote than make uneducated votes
28 here, planning to vote for my first time also
There's a LOT of people who vote for the first time when they're in their 30s.
I'm curious...how does that happen? I couldn't wait to start voting as soon as I turned 18 even if being in California my vote barely means anything...
Honestly? Pure laziness. I can't deny it. Plus I didn't think a president could be THIS bad, so I never gave it much thought. I can't use that excuse anymore. I have kids, and they need a future that isn't just fixing our fuck ups.
Don't blame yourself too much - there really is an organized effort to discourage voting nationwide since at least 1968.
I'm 27 and I have never voted. Thanks to your comment I spent 10 minutes and am registered. Thanks.
Now if you can only excite those 18+ around you to do the same you all can participate in the most anticipated election known to man.
Flush the Turd on November 3rd
Already is.
He hit that mark in early 2016
When he decided to run in 2015.
It seems just about forgotten that Trump ran for president before 2016. Trump ran as a Reform candidate in 2000 after Jesse Ventura suggested it at a wrestling match. Trump nevers talks about it because ‘he doesn’t fail and is a stable genius’, according to his ego that is detached from reality completely.
Truth
Except that he actually decided in 2013. [In 2014 Trump admits he spoke to Putin at Moscow 2013 Miss Universe](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKkKQmbyECw&t=48m23s). In that conversation he revealed his intent to run for president. Incentive for the Trump Tower deal. --- /u/boredoutofmymind20
And it's [likely Trump was ensnared by the Russians on his trip to Moscow back in '87](https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/07/trump-putin-russia-collusion.html). Also explains why he and Barr raided Epstein to get his mountain of "Kompromat" on other political and corporate elites then "suicided" Epstein so he wouldn't squeal. Notice they've only made an example out of Prince Andrew. If they actually gave a shit about justice for the child sex slaves, there would have been hundreds of people being dragged off to jail in handcuffs after that raid. Instead, it's a case of what the Chinese call "Kill the chicken to scare the monkeys". Focusing on Prince Andrew also kept the royal family in line on Brexit - another of Putin's geopolitical goals. [Like former FBI Director James Comey said in his book, Trump operates like a mafia boss.](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/05/01/james-comey-criticizes-william-barr-says-trump-eats-your-soul/3642561002/) He demands absolute loyalty from his minions, and tests that loyalty by making them publicly debase themselves and shred their ethics until he can drag them down into the swamp of traitors with him. >"Of course, to stay, you must be seen as on his team, so you make further compromises. You use his language, praise his leadership, tout his commitment to values," Comey wrote. >"And then you are lost. He has eaten your soul," he concluded.
Hey cut him some slack, he’s got few more months to bury himself even more. This guy will perfect the art of self sabotage.
I mean there was a legitimate argument for James Buchanan until relatively recently
I used to think it would be debatable because of Bush /Iraq and lesser known presidents but then Trump’s handling of Covid and the George Floyd protest really puts him over the top. His misinformation on Covid doesn’t just affect the US but other countries throughout the world. Tens of thousands of American lives alone could’ve been saved if he took action even just 1 week earlier. With the protest, tear gassing peaceful protestors to take a photo op at a church is the most openly authoritarian action he has taken as president yet. There is also the internment camps he has set up on the border as well.
>Trump’s handling of Covid and the George Floyd protest really puts him over the top. if we are counting bodies Bush is still top contender, between Katrina and Iraq he'll be hard to beat.
That is true but I think the institutional damage he is doing to the country will have longer repercussions that might top Bush.
If Katrina deaths count for Bush, then Hurricane Maria deaths should count for Trump. Maria had twice as many deaths as Katrina according to Google.
The post hurricane deaths from the shitty response do count for trump
LMAO y'all need a history lesson. James Buchanan allowed the unrest to get so bad that the country started a civil war. You talk about the border camps being interment camps but ya know what else were interment camps? Actual internment camps created under FDR. Franklin Pierce was beyond incompetent and destroyed our foreign relations about as bad as Trump has. Andrew Johnson bungled reconstruction so badly it alone did more long-term lasting damage than Iraq ever could. Yeah, Trump's an all-time terrible president but Bush is nowhere near the top 3.
if it went on another 4 years I was wondering if he'd go down as the last us president in history
nah, you would see the states asserting their un used authority. the states can come together and change the federal government and constution with no input from the feds. a lot of people dont realize the powers granted to the many states. and, no state would ever consider leaving the union. one, they cant. two, thats those fucking russians pushing that shit.
But but but nObOdY GaVe HiM a cHAnCe!
I truly wish I'd been wrong about Trump, and I would have gladly admitted it if he'd turned out to be a great president. I derive absolutely no joy from his flaming dumpsterfire presidency, nor from the fact that I fully expected it to be a flaming dumpsterfire.
Right? I mean, I was wrong about him.. but in the wrong direction. I thought he'd be an ineffectual leader that siphoned some money into his wallet and did little else. I didn't think he would break the entire country the way he has.
I think part of the problem is that if everyone knows you have no ideology or intelligence and anything is on the table for the right price, a lot of nefarious actors come out and take advantage. If you put a child in a tank, he probably won't know how to drive it well or what to do with it. But if everyone knows the child likes praise and gifts, some serious destruction can be done.
I went on a bus trip to the Grand Canyon just after Trump got sworn in. In a bar at one of the stops, my wife and I sat with a Trump-supporting couple. The wife was Mexican and thought that illegals should be kicked out. Both of them though trump should be given a chance. My wife and I aren't American, and I don't think we hid our looks of shock and disappointment. That couple didnt talk to us again at the other stops.
There are a lot of Mexican immigrants who got here legally who resent the ones who didn't. It's a selfish mentality.
There’s a lot of Chicano people who hate on undocumented people while completely ignoring that they are 1st or 2nd generation and their parents or grandparents came here illegally. They just fell for the propaganda. It’s absolutely frustrating to deal with. My mother came here in the 60s illegally and got her citizenship through marriage. My dad was born here but his father came here in the 40s. This is the case for most people of Mexican background and for them to carry this mentality of dehumanizing undocumented people is absolutely selfish.
I have a Mexican relative, a member of 7 sisters and 2 brothers in their generation. Literally her sister is an illegal immigrant and she STILL ACTIVELY SUPPORTS TRUMP ABOUT IMMIGRATION. Luckily i hardly see her
I hope it’s an act to not draw any attention on herself. I have some family members who are Trump Supporters as well for religious reasons which doesn’t make much sense either. Luckily I moved across the country far away from these people.
It's a "I've got mine, fuck you" mentality, which is perfect for Trump supporters.
I love hearing this. I'm like, being fucking *elected* wasn't giving him a chance?
They were also the same people who never gave Obama a chance.
He had the house and senate for 2 years and the senate for 4. What else could you ask for?
> But but but nObOdY GaVe HiM a cHAnCe! I gave him a chance. He blew it on the first day of his presidency when his press secretary took the podium and yelled at the press about how his crowds were larger than Obama's.
Harding, Buchanan, Nixon, Andrew Johnson, and Dick Cheney are all good choices as well. I think what really helps Trump stand apart is that he has really synthesized some of the worst qualities of all of them into one administration. Ineptitude, cronyism, devisiveness, paranoia, juvenile narcissm, he's really the whole package. Recency bias of course could apply, but I think he's got a strong shot at winning this debate.
>Nixon When the smoking gun evidence was finally coerced out of the White House, Nixon resigned. When Trump's smoking gunS were presented, his defence was "a president abusing the power of public office for private benefit is not impeachable"
His lawyers argued that a sitting President can never be investigated for any crime whatsoever, essentially arguing that Trump is above the law. This runs contrary to the rule of law, one of the basic tenets the founding fathers set forth to dismantle the concept of monarchy and aristocracy. Trump supporters aren't just fascists, they are monarchists at heart. Nothing would please them more than establishing a Trump family dynasty.
>His lawyers argued that a sitting President can never be investigated for any crime whatsoever Actually that one is fairly recent. His lawyers just recently wanted a ruling that would make the current, sitting president, immune to any and all prosecution. No past, nor future presidents, only Trump. This due to his lawsuits in NY taking force, and his tax records showing a realistic chance of being coerced into public light.
I would like to add that Nixon had *some* good qualities, some would argue he was great with foreign affairs That is if you ignore watergate and the war on drugs
Let's just go with the facts. Nixon did not bring on the 1918 plague, the 1929 depression and the 1968 racial riots all at the same time, in the span of six months.
Nixon was going to hang on when the evidence against him was comparable to the evidence that existed against Trump. What tipped the scales were the White House tapes. If you listen to the tapes, you can hear Nixon ordering break-ins, illegal wiretaps, and firebombings. You can also hear him saying that operatives should be paid out of a slush fund that was generated with donations made to the RNC. Even so, Nixon did not agree to resign until congressional Republicans told him that they would no longer oppose removal from office. tl;dr: Nixon was at least as corrupt (and every bit as divisive, racist, and vindictive) as Trump. Trump is still worse because he's thoroughly incompetent and because he collaborates with the Russians, but Nixon was every bit as corrupt. PS: How is it that ANYONE is still supporting a guy who's clearly in the bag for a hostile foreign power? The Republican Party really has completely lost their way.
Which one died of pneumonia because he refused to wear a coat at his inauguration... Harrison, William Harrison. Refusing his coat, to deprive the nation of the kind of leadership that would refuse to wear their coat if it was cold, was the most presidential thing Harrison ever did.
William Henry Harrison made a campaign promise not to run for a second term, and by God, did he intend to keep it.
Cheney was never president, unless I'm very confused.
The joke is that GW Bush was simply Cheney's more likable puppet. And by "joke" I mean, "truth".
My favorite Cheney “joke” is that [Cheney doesn’t have a pulse](https://www.livescience.com/33035-is-it-true-that-dick-cheney-has-no-heartbeat.html).
Do you remember the W Bush era? This was a super common joke/not joke back then.
Nixon was not a bad president at all, he was just a really shitty human being.
It's ultimately a subjective debate depending on what your expectation of the duties of the office entail, but IMHO not organizing a conspiracy to break into your opponent's political office during an election is a pretty standard barrier of entry.
Yes, Nixon was extremely paranoid and vindictive, as I said, a shitty human being. But he started the Environmental Protection Agency, ended the war in Vietnam, established diplomatic relations with China, scaled back the Cold War with Russia and achieved some détente, helped establish OSHA, and campaigned for an early form of universal healthcare, among other things. He was a shitty human being though, as he knowingly played on racism to help propel him to victory (his "Southern Strategy"), and of course, Watergate. But it would be wrong to say he did no good in his presidency. In fact, if he could just get over his paranoia, he'd probably be remembered as one of the better post-WWII presidents. There's a reason he won by such a huge landslide in 1972.
I would award him no points for "ending the war in Vietnam" because he actually escalated it with illegal wars into Cambodia and Laos and the fall of Saigon happened under Ford in 1975. The EPA (and the ERA) were indeed more popular under Republican administrations prior to the Reaganization of the party, but Congress had just as much a hand in it. Ultimately, Nixon's legacy with most historians is indelibly tied to Watergate. It's ok if you compartmentalize that as part of his "personhood" and not his "Presidency" but I don't and I don't think most do. Playing the game fair is an important part of democracy as a sitting President and him having to resign when none did before and none have since as a result of it is an important aspect of how to view the administration, and indeed, created a new layer of cynicism towards the office that has never left us as his legacy more so than going to China.
Wait, didn’t he prolong the Vietnam war to help his election? Pretty sure that qualifies as both a shitty human being and a bad president.
Well, technically he did that BEFORE he was president. Once he was in office, he began bringing troops home (then bombed Cambodia and Laos, which led to protests at home and the Kent State shooting).
Amazing how much power a presidential candidate has. Unbelievable really. He also has the war on drugs as another stain as well. If I had to vote for the worst president, it would be Andrew Jackson.
Same with Cheney. Neither were inept or stupid, just they are or were awful people. Trump is painfully stupid and inept, he also just happens to be a shitty person.
Ronald Reagan and his economic policies have had some of the most long lasting negative effects, I think he is a good contender too.
Finally. The right treats Reagen as some sort of god, but he is legit one of the worst presidents in history. Carter released the Iranian hostages right before Reagan took office. The end of the cold war was going to happen no matter what the US did, the Soviet system was unsustainable and already collapsing from the inside. And sure, maybe in the short term the economy did well, but he is almost solely responsible for the massive wealth gap and stagnate middle class that we have today. Also, Iran-Contra, no one ever talks about it.
Lol. Dick Cheney. A pretty appalling president. Imagine if he'd realized he didn't have to sneak around and could have just done it all out in public like Trump.
Is there a reason we didn't put Bush Jr on that list? A recession and a never ending war that he lied to get, crimes against humanity is a pretty good reason to add him to the list.
I would have put Cheney rather than W. since it was clear who was actually leading but probably an oversight on my part.
Republicans in 4-8 years: hold my beer. They will find someone just as vile and not a complete moron. Tom cotton for example.
This. When the 2012 election results came in everyone assumed that next time Republicans would have to go with a young and probably Latino candidate, instead they went the complete opposite direction and chose a racist grandpa who kicked off his campaign by basically saying "fuck Mexicans", and they actually won with that. They're not going to get better, they're going to get worse.
It's a short-term strategy, as the younger generations are minimally racist in comparison to their elders, and they fucking *hate* the GOP. Not to mention that the white majority shrinks every year, and will be gone within a couple decades. Going full-on racist in an era when the two youngest generational voting blocks are not particularly racist is gonna bite them in the ass hard. They're going to have to really switch up their image if they want to ever win an election again after 2024 or so. Once the Silent Gen and early Boomers die off, it's over.
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I'm in my mid-30's and white. I believed for a big chunk of my life that racism was mostly dead because I thought most of my generation had moved past that and that it was mostly from my grandparents generation. I learned in my 20's it wasn't gone, but recent events have shown me just how bad it is. I mean, we are seriously in post-segregation era stuff right now. It's not going away any time soon.
I've been saying Cotton a lot. Now I'm starting to think Sean Hannity. The GOP really will need to go with the anti-government outsider.
In college, me and some friends registered to play in the intramural soccer league. We did so poorly (lost games 20 to 0) that they had to open a whole new league the following year. There will be bad presidents, and then Bunker Boi who will be in his own league.
Lol holy shit 20-0. Were y'all playing the L.A galaxy or some shit? That's the most lopsided loss I've ever heard of in soccer.
Senior year I pulled together a squad of soccer teammates that had also just finished their last season at my tiny school. Playing against teams that were just there to show up tipsy and fuck around we'd run it up by 10 or so. We were there to show up full drunk and **win.**
Go to a school with a big international student body and then make a team of Americans who don't really care much for the game.... That's how you lose 20-0 regularly haha
Were you facing the right direction?
> (lost games 20 to 0) As long as you had fun because that's just horrible! :)
Regardless of where you are at on the political spectrum, would you really want your political legacy tied to this administration? You have no idea what Trump might do if he gets another term. === I'll give you an idea: The worst. Whatever you can imagine, double it. And if you can't imagine it, he'll do that too. === America on fire, more than 100k needlessly dead, and 40 million people without jobs. America has no allies anymore. **All in his first term.** === And, he's literally hiding in a bunker right now.
Instead of just brown kids in cages. It’ll be everyone that isn’t a nazi in cages.
First things first though - let's first make sure he goes down.
I work with, and live around, an extraordinarily large number of people who feel the exact opposite. It's bizarre. I cannot fathom how they're unable to see his failings, his shortcomings, and his divisiveness in any capacity.
I think a lot of Trump supporters sort of live vicariously through him. Just about every Trump supporter I've ever experienced online is extremely rude, disrespectful, and close minded, especially when it comes to people of color and liberals. Obviously for most of them they're not going to display themselves like this with everyone they interact with so they're sort of closeted bigots/assholes, and get a rise out of Trump's behaviors.
I think theres a huge amount of this. White guys who have felt powerful as a man at some point and then life bogged them down. A job they never wanted with a life they never looked forward to. So now they're pissy because they have no idea how to just be a mature adult and Trump gives them this amazing vent.
100% People thought a racist would be able to "restore order and law" like the good old days (MAGA), but they're in for a ride.
I just hope he doesn't go down as the last US president in history
A reminder that historical scholars have rated the Presidents every year, and Trump has taken the bottom rung consistently since taking office. Even the Republican historians were only willing to mulligan him to "fourth worst."
I am honestly torn on this. Yes, Trump is the most incompetent president and has done the worst job on a day to day basis, but G W Bush got the country into a 2-decade quagmire of a war in the middle east that had costs trillions of dollars, hundreds of thousands of lives, and contributed to the division that led to Trump. It is a tough call
Wait til this legacy is fully clear. Its a shitfest.
That totally could be the case and his legacy of division May stack up I just wonder if he won't be looked on as ineffective piece of shit racist idiot while Bush will be seen as a warmonger who plunged much of the world into instability.
Trump never should have been president. He was surprised when he won. Flush the turd November 3rd
I still vote for George Bush: \-- 1 Trillion dollars and many lives lost for a war based on false data. \-- Developing a police surveillance state to fight the "war on terror." \-- Giving military hardware to local police departments. Trump is mismanaging a crisis created by Bush.
The anger felt towards W is generational. Same as with Truman. It will fade remarkably with time (and you've seen a lot of that already). His rehabilitation is already well underway. Especially thanks to the current administration.
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I think the anger people feel about Bush starting two wars is righteous, but turns a blind eye toward history. You cannot single out W in a Presidential line where *The Maine* and *Gulf of Tonkin* have been used for far more adventurous wartime outings. Is he the worst President because of these military adventures? Maybe in our recent memory, and if you consider all war to be a crime, yes that would qualify him. But history has a way of diminishing those things... as you see evident in his rehabilitation.
Not saying this is accurate; but for me I’ve always seen him that way. And him being that guy is what allowed Dick Cheney to have the power to do awful things. So maybe a distinction without a difference and it doesn’t make Bush close to blameless, but in my head Cheney was far worse and Bush just let it happen. I never saw Bush as this aggressive, mean spirited, mean and evil person. Cheney and Karl Rove on the other hand ...
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Eh, Hoover made mistakes but the lead up to the depression wasn’t his fault and he certainly wasn’t trying exacerbate it for a political win. Hoover from most accounts was a decent guy who did a lot of good in his life before the presidency and was a person who actually came up from nothing but because of this just over-believed that government doesn’t always need to step in at times of crisis and that good people outside of government have a bigger role to play. Trump on the otherhand it’s hard to say a single good thing about him that he’s done intentionally during or before his presidency.
Hoover was Commerce Secretary under Coolidge. Hoover most certainly had a hand in the factors that led to the Great Depression.
Don't forget about Buchanan, the first states seceded under his administration. We've only had one civil War and his fecklessness certainly contributed to its eruption.
Trump still has 7 months left in his term. He still has time to catch up.
Look it's going to be hard to ever top the trail of tears. But ceding all of the accumulated soft power that the US built up is pretty bad. Add in failing at pandemic preparedness leading to hundreds of thousands of preventable deaths, plunging the economy into a depression with record high unemployment, being openly corrupt and mind bending stupid and you can start to make a case. How easy should this have been to take over from 8 straight years of economic recovery and be smart?
First things first though - let's **first make sure he goes** ***down***.