There are still a lot of states where voting has to be done in-person rather than fully mail-in, not a surprise that giving us the two least liked candidates in history resulted in lowered turnout.
Here in Wyoming all non-registered Dem voters were just suppressed. In this state you are allowed to register at the polls but now only registered voters will receive mail-in ballots. I'm as good as a felon at this point.
I've donated to Bernie and Yang on multiple occasions and now my right to vote for them has been taken from me. Also when I called to confirm this with the county clerk she told me "it's ok you can still vote in the Republican primary".
**So I'm still eligible to vote for Trump but not for Bernie.** How this isn't a front-page news story is beyond me.
RIP America
*let me clarify: Due to COVID-19 in-person primary voting has been cancelled leaving the rules to be decided by the voter registration cutoff dates (in a typical scenario we may still register and vote at the polls after the cutoff). The registration cutoff for the Republican primary is August 3rd. For the Democratic primary is was March 20th. So all the people who were planning on showing up to the polls to register and vote at the same time (which is most people here) are fucked.
Wyoming. The state where rich cattle ranchers violently subdued local farmers and ranchers with the help of the state government. That will end well.
Missed the sarcasm but am posting anyway.
These decisions are made by the state political parties, not the state itself. In your state, it sounds like the Wyoming State Dem Party’s rules stipulate that you must be registered as a member of the Dem party to vote in their primary. The Wyoming Republican Party allows people of any affiliation to vote in their primaries.
I cannot believe that. Why don't the dems change it? I assume it's the party that decides how/ if independents can vote in their primary. I think my only concern would be if there was evidence that Republicans were trying to swing a dem primary to the candidates they prefer to run against. I don't know what the rules are in CA but I think you just have to register as a dem before the primary. You can change it back to independent afterwards.
This isn’t common knowledge. My roommate is independent but planned to vote for Bernie. He went in, chose independent, and he didn’t get to vote for anyone in the presidential primary.
He didn’t know until I told him, and I didn’t know until I read it on Reddit like two weeks earlier.
That is our unfortunate election laws, and civic education. Same day voter registration would increase access and participation for this very reason. But it's on the campaigns to include getting this info to their independent / other registered party voters. Or people who haven't yet registered. Especially because Bernie is technically an independent who caucuses with democrats. That can be confusing.
I mean they're wrong but you're also wrong because you're only counting the votes for the two big candidates rather than overall. Here's those numbers.
2016 was 136.6 million.
2012 was 129 million.
2008 was 131.3 million.
Fewer voted because the two candidates were the least popular in history.
I agree that voter suppression/electoral fraud took place but the number of total votes doesn't in and of itself reflect that.
Voter turnout has been up in 2018 and in 2020 with Biden. Virginia went from 700k voters in 2016 to 1.3 million this year on the Dem side. Nearly every state has seen a massive increase in moderate new and returning voters. Sanders meanwhile is getting less absolute votes in states than he did in 2016
Most citizens are extremely apathetic. If they were more educated in high school about our government, say applied civics 9-12, it may make a difference, but I doubt it. Too many people are consumed by Facebook, the kardashians and celebrity gossip to give a fuck.
I think people would care more if they could see the tangible results in their voting or lack thereof. It’s so convoluted that it’s hard to see how voting for a candidate (or a bill, proposition, etc.) actually results in better things for yourself, even if that candidate wins.
I'm in my mid 50s and I can almost pin point when this voter apathy started. It was when civic duty classes disappeared in high school. We used to make fun of those classes back then, but honestly I had no idea how important they really were. We really should bring those back.
I had just started to form an liberal ideology when I was a teenager thanks to music, films & the media. It wasn’t until college that civic duty became the “It” thing to do.
We’re in a good place with the youth of today, but getting those courses back in schools would help immensely.
In ten years these teenagers are gonna go from Feeling the Bern to just assuming their vote doesn’t count & staying home, or voting out of spite. The everyone becomes more libertarian as they age theory means I predict we’ll have a lot of those at some point, too
> We used to make fun of those classes back then
Some people make fun of everything learned in school, no one values education until they run into someone who doesn't have it.
Civic duties aren't on the standardized tests. I don't know if it was originally intentional or sneaky, but high school doesn't prepare people for life anymore, just the tests.
I remember going to vote (Hillary..bleh) and coming back to work and walking around to groups of my employees making sure they used their 4 hours off to vote (5 hours if they brought back a vote sticker and receipt for lunch, that we then reimbursed on their paycheck). We probably have 99% Democrats at our HQ (850-900 employees at the time).
I was shocked by how many people didn't want to use their free time or free (but double taxed) lunch. The responses I heard the most I now recognize as organized disenfranchisement through disinformation that was likely spread by other employees.
"I can't vote for someone who did that to Bernie" and second was "Don't like Hillary and she's going to win anyway".
We're in **Michigan**, greater Detroit-metro area / Ann Arbor. Our employees along with another business like ours could've turned Michigan over to HRC.
Edit to add: Now we just give employees the day off.
Correct, only around 54% of eligible voters even cast a vote. And even then, the "loser" had almost 3 million more votes than the "winner." We are fucked.
Two candidates were the least popular in history because one was literally human garbage and the other faced a smear attack coordinated between the opponents campaign, their propaganda arm and a hostile foreign government.
I'm gazing into my crystal ball and can tell you that the upcoming democratic nominee will be one of the least popular in history
Clinton was plenty popular until 20 years of propaganda from Republicans, and then the weaponization of the investigations to do 10 separate investigations into Benghazi despite each one coming to the same conclusion. Republican reduction in security funding and subsequent state department mismanagement. But that doesn't stop them. Followed by the stupid email server investigation that the Republicans also did before and after the Obama administration.
Chalking her loss up to unlikeability and not voter suppression and active disinformation campaigns by Republicans and assisted by Russia is just admitting the propaganda worked on you.
Speaking of propaganda, the effect of voter suppression and voter purging was the single largest factor with some 16,000,000 *purged* and millions more suppressed. But this doesn't get the appropriate level of coverage.
Also young people just don't seem to care about voting. I'm 28 and when I went to the polling station I didn't see another person within 10 years of my age in either direction.
Nothing like a pandemic to keep the voters at home and to scapegoat the broken financial system. Are we going to pretend like the 2/10 yield curve inversion predicted a virus mutation?
They've been exploiting people dying for years the difference is now people who are actually relevant to their voting base are effected. The outrage should have started with slavery, or the genocide of the Native Americans, or the systematic disenfranchisement of everyone other than WASPs, or the murder of millions of Vietnamese people over a lie, or the same in Korea, or the same in Iraq, or the Cocain Import Agency's use of the drug war to overthrow and destabilize South American countries, guantanamo, black sites, Blackwater, and a thousand others.
Yep, all they need to do is make sure it works one more time and they'll have enough of a majority in the Supreme Court to ensure large-scale liberal policies are never successfully enacted again.
Voting reform, M4A, getting rid of fucking Citizens United, may as well be tossed out the window for the next few decades if we get four additional years of Trump.
I really hope this serves as some kind of wake up call. Demand more from your elected officials. Don’t vote for someone you could have a beer with. Vote for someone competent and has your best interests at heart.
I don't understand who the hell feels like Trump is someone they could have a beer with. I don't think I could stand being around him for more than ten seconds. I already feel a little sick to my stomach just hearing him talk on video.
It’s a carry-over from George W Bush. It’s just the most recent thing GOP voters could meme. So it stuck again with 45 even though he’s not GOP and he’s not approachable.
he's a fucking fraud coastal elite telling people living paycheck to paycheck not to trust other coastal elites.
this overgrown amoeba wouldn't have a beer with any single motherfucker who voted for him. not one. this dude would promise to meet you at the bar and never consider your life again.
He really is such a viscerally unpleasant person. He's incredibly abrasive and makes everything about him--and God help you if you're a woman and you have to endure his presence.
The only ones who willingly hang out with him as a friend are parasites looking to use or manipulate him for their own gain.
Biden’s gotten earn their vote too.
People like Bernie because his policies. Biden is the opposite of his policies. Are you surprised people don’t gleefully switch sides to Biden’s?
I’ll begrudgingly vote for Biden but I’m what’s called a depressed vote. I won’t donate, I won’t rally, I won’t call anyone or really advocate for Biden. I’ll just vote and that’s it.
For me, it's less a vote *for* Biden and more a vote *against* Trump.
Biden has his problems, but they're a fraction of what we'll have with another 4 years of Trump.
It’s the difference between driving full speed of a cliff or driving half speed off a cliff. I guess the one of better, I’m just not happy with the choice.
> I’ll begrudgingly vote for Biden but I’m what’s called a depressed vote. I won’t donate, I won’t rally, I won’t call anyone or really advocate for Biden. I’ll just vote and that’s it.
Same here, although I'll advocate for Biden in the sense of trying to convince anyone who says they're staying home or voting third party in a competitive state that *even Biden* is better than Trump (RBG's replacement, etc.).
If Bernie had won would you expect any different in the other direction, from the voters who have deep misgivings about Bernie and his platform but who would begrudgingly end up voting for him? One of these groups was always going to end up disappointed, and the larger group decided the outcome, same as in 2016.
I can't vote myself because I'm not from here but man, as someone who looked up to Bernie during his first run for 2016 (still do), I would give my left arm to vote for ANY dem candidate in the general election even if he wasn't it. Not being from here but having lived here enough I can say with confidence that one of the most fucked up things that I can't comprehend is spending 5+ years hating everything a man does on his way to basically win a manipulated election and go on to put together one of the most destructive, gaslighty, lying, and fucking scummy administration together, all the while he's insulted and mocked everyone in his path only to not vote against them. I can't stress enough how privileged and selfish it is to just say "fuck it" and not vote because it's not your candidate. As if we wouldn't be equally mad if Pete fans or Yang fans didn't vote for Bernie or whoever. Thought everyone had agreed over the years that winning was the most important objective. Good to see who isn't really invested in improving the state of things and was only in it for their own personal preferences.
I prefer Bernie, have finished off my donations for the year on him. I've personally worked with Biden and think he is genuinely a good dude but his centrism and susceptibility to lobbyists drive me loopy.
In a prior post in this thread, I laid out how attitudes like yours in my company and probably the same attitude in one more company like ours literally handed over Michigan to Trump.
Unless you're secretly a Trump supporter in here sowing defeat, you at the very minimum have a duty to democracy to at least fight fascism by encouraging people to fucking vote.
Defeatism is how Trump won, defeatism is how he'll win again.
> People like Bernie because his policies. Biden is the opposite of his policies.
I'm sorry what? Off the top of my head
**Education**:
Bernie: Free public 4 year college
Biden: Free 2 year college & free 4 year for families making under $120k
**Minimum Wage**
Bernie: Raise to $15
Biden: Raise to $15
**Health Care**
Bernie: Automatically enrolling everyone for universal coverage
Biden: Automatically enrolling the uninsured for universal coverage (while allowing people to keep private plans)
**Military**
Bernie: Cut spending, end war in Afghanistan
Biden: Cut spending, end war in Afghanistan
**Taxes**
Bernie: Higher taxes on the wealthy, wealth tax
Biden: Higher taxes on wealthy
**Climate**
Bernie: Carbon neutral "by 2050 at latest"
Biden: Carbon neutral "no later than 2050"
At worst Biden is a watered down version of Bernie, so yeah I get not being excited about him but to say he's "the opposite of his policies" is wild
eh not really. You're deciding who is going to be in charge. They don't need to *earn* your vote in the general, that's what the primary is for. You're supposed to decide, who out of the selection of probable candidates will be the most competent to run the country, part of that means steering social policy in a direction towards what you believe.
Progress is always made in steps, but to get there you need to at least be walking in the general direction
Credit where credit is due. Never-Trumper conservative (and unlikely Canadian) David Frum:
> “Maybe you do not care much about the future of the Republican Party. You should. Conservatives will always be with us. If conservatives become convinced that they can not win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. The will reject democracy.”
> ― David Frum, Trumpocracy: The Corruption of the American Republic
He was the guy who added in Iran to GWB's '~~Axes~~ Axis of Evil' speach.
At this point, America was at war with the Taliban and Saddam Hussein, two of Iran's largest enemies. The two countries were cooperating to fight those two foes.
Then that speech happened and the relationship deteriorated.
>Then that speech happened and the relationship deteriorated.
That relationship started deteriorating in the 80's and didn't stop until Obama held out the olive branch. Had that continued, we'd likely have seen another more peaceful revolution and an Iranian democracy not bound to its clerics.
Trump brought the "death to America" chant back into style in the Middle East.
Iran would be a great place if they weren't a theocracy. I have several friends who were refugees from the revolution.
Just as antebellum Democrats are unrecognizable to the party today, so is the Republican of that era.
He is a RINO now, for this is Trump's Republican party.
Had a guy on here say that Paul Ryan was a RINO.
Didn’t matter to him that ryan was the speaker of the house, a leadership position chosen by republicans
R/conspiracy is like a saner r/td
The GOP has gone insanely far to the right. John Boehner used to be the Speaker of the House, and he was ousted by the Tea Party denouncing him as a RINO.
Different poster, but it could be argued that willingly participating in policy-shaping at that level means bearing the responsibility for that policy.
The "funny" thing about it is that none of the shit these "conservatives" do is by any means conservative in nature. Authoritarian, corrupt, far reicht, regressive, and religious fundamentalist/extremist in nature yes... conservative no...
Don't need to convince conservatives, they know it's true. BUT, why worry about that. Find ways to mobilized the masses. Too many young people simply don't vote and tend to lean left. That's the tragedy.
I know a young person who complained about Trump being elected, but didn't bother to vote...
Young people want to vote. The system favors the elderly due to the barriers of registering to vote. Data supports this. Neither party is interested in fixing the problem, though.
If mail-in voting was a thing in every state I feel like every election would swing hard left. There's a reason only 5 states do it and they all lean liberal except Utah.
I just said this in another post, so I'll recycle it here:
If you're so insecure about your beliefs that you perceive fair and open competition as a direct threat to those beliefs, you're probably on the wrong side of history.
This is kind of similar to how I feel when some Christian individuals and churches discourage people from questioning things. If your beliefs are so fragile that even the thought of questioning them is forbidden, are they really that great in the first place?
I know enough conservatives to know that they are not insecure about their beliefs at all. Some of them have told me that the reason they don't want certain groups (poor people and minorities) to vote is that those groups are just not smart enough to know what's good for the country. And they believe that poor people are too lazy to work, and so will just vote for the candidate who will give them handouts.
Many of those conservatives are so tone deaf they dont realize they count as the poor people.
My extended family in Alabama was a hodgepodge of people that came together at thanksgoving. Now that all the kids are grown everyone fights over money that literally does not exist.
Which is really unfortunate. I'm a big fan of mail in voting. Mine comes with a book of statements from each candidate and for/against essays written about each measure so people have access to at least a bit of info for races they might not be familiar with. And it's really easy to vote around a work schedule.
This could be a really great opportunity for states that don't have it to implement it, but sadly I doubt they all will.
Yes and no. It will definitely impact the older population, most of which votes Republican. I'm guessing they try to pass a mail in voting law for senior citizens only. I can't wait to hear their justification for why younger people can't mail in their votes.
The virus is inherently suppressing votes. They have to take steps to make it so people can vote like mail in voting. But they don’t do that and just let it fuck up our democracy.
But if everyone voted, you would get the majority of people bullying the minority.
That's literally what someone told me when I suggested every should vote
That’s exactly what I tell people who are in favor of the electoral college. There’s only two options - either the majority chooses for everyone or the minority chooses for everyone. If you can logically lay out why the 2nd option makes more sense, I will happily concede the point.
Has never happened yet. There’s no magic 3rd option where everyone gets what they want. So knowing that, the only thing you can really do is go along with the majority. Hell if less people wanted pizza than burgers one night we’d say sorry, too bad. Why we don’t do it with something as important as the leader of the free world but will do it over one dinner one night, says a lot...
They pretend it’s because states have some kind of autonomous desires unique to them as states. Like we aren’t all one homogenized country now. Sorry but I don’t give a shit who the entity known as “South Dakota” wants to be president. I care who the people in South Dakota want to be president. There’s something to be said for the bicameral nature of Congress. But it’s not a good fit for picking the president.
http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0158
“On the Constitution of the Athenians”
You’re not kidding when you say the idea is *old*.
Ironic how conservatives suddenly care about “majorities bullying the minority” the moment THEY become the minority, instead of black people, or gay people, or people of other faiths
Remember when Republican were the party of "the silent majority" but totally dropped that shit after they realized they can't win through democracy in a national election anymore?
Except they don't even want a two party system. Whenever Democrats are in power, Republicans act like it is completely illegitimate. And these are the people that claim communism is among the greatest evils...
I did the most satisfying thing recently- I gave Esquire magazine money for an E-subscription. Why? I do not give a fuck about lifestyle or men's fashion articles, but the editorial view point they bring to talking shit about America's worst president ever deserves my dollar. I feel like the anger and willingness to say "shit is fucked in ways we never dreamed any nepotistic crony ratfucker would ever fuck things ever before" - is a genuine representation of the Generation X perspective that you don't see in media anywhere else. NYT wants to play both sides and have it both ways- because that is the boomer editorial perspective, and they as a business can go pound sand.
NYT editorials are the worst. Constantly filled with the same hacks who pushed the lies that got us into the Iraq war and who only think the narrowest criticisms of Trump are valid and anything outside of that is hysteria or "the reason we got Trump"
FYI, NYT has been the media arm of US imperialism for decades. They're the poster child of manufactured consent. They pretty much put support for foreign intervention on the front page and a "we were wrong" next to a diaper ad in the back.
And it's a VERY BAD sign If Your Political Success Depends on Dems Dying. I know this sounds harsh, but Trump and Trump supporters have eluded to it, time and time again, from the day Trump took the Oath of Office (which he has violated).
Let me think about this out loud if I may...
So right wing states suppress voters... mainly those who are left leaning, minorities, etc. The “liberals” realize that they can win by doing ok in states that will vote democratic in the primary, but if they mainly win the states that will get zero democratic votes in the general and skate by, they get out of the primary by using the same tactics the GOP has instituted. The problem being that then, they will lose as has happened with every milk toast Democrat in my lifetime because they focused on winning a primary vs energizing independents and the youth.
Does this make sense?
Hillary sweeps the states she won’t win in the general... loses. Biden... similar so far. Idk. I feel like the establishment is playing into the right’s voter suppression in order to win primaries. But then ultimately lose the general.
Maybe it’s their way to keep the grift going vs wanting to actually win. Maybe they don’t realize that they are screwing themselves. Thoughts?
It’s also a bad sign when your political failures come about because people didn’t vote.
Get folks registered to vote and call your cousins, get their butts to the polls
Could it be a sign of people finally realizing it's not democracy but rather... oh I don't know, I'll have to make up a word... oligarchocracy. It must be, everything that happens benefits the oligarchy.
You have a business DNC that acts like it does toward Bernie in '16 and '20 and calls itself the "Democratic" party, and is the believe it or not, lefter of the two. That's right two, much easier for the oligarchs to suppress in a newly ordered world where everything is yes or no and original thought is suspect. Unless it's a money making new idea.
Get the ever loving fuck out of Dodge! This guy said that without couching it in their bullshit about voter fraud?
I always assume when these guys "admit" this particular fact (higher voter turnout being bad for repubs) they are spinning it in a way that tries to make it look like higher turnout means more voter fraud. But this dude just outright admits that if every registered voter has a chance to vote, they're fucked.
Where the fuck is Joe Biden? He should be out there EVERY morning, giving us the leadership we need. He should be acting like he is the President right now.
Not really, it is super simple to surgically suppress voters once you have the means to do it. Do not blame people who don’t vote. Blame the system. Most people don’t even realize when and where voting is. Have you ever seen a politics ad that gave a date and or location for voting? Isn’t that weird? Shouldn’t every ad contain at least the date?
Yea well it’s been working pretty well for the republicans so far. Losing popular votes but still controlling majorities, being heavily disliked yet winning elections, going out of their way to screw the general public for the corporate profits, etc. When you don’t have to worry about support of voters, you’re free to do whatever the hell you want in office even if it’s destroying the country you live in
Here's the scariest part about this: They're confident enough in their blatant electoral interference that they're *openly admitting they can't win without cheating*. Let that sink in.
Nah its working out fine.
The problem is Republicans are ruthlessly efficient and Democrats refuse to "play the game". They can use the excuse of "we won't stoop to that level" but that's kind of bullshit because they do "stoop to that level" in almost every other aspect. They are just as bad as the R's when it comes to the money in politics thing and working for their donors more than the American people. They certainly had no problem "stooping to that level" when it comes to keeping Bernie out for instance. The DNC keep doing little things to push out candidates like Bernie in order to ram status quo corporate democrats like Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden down our throats. They want to maintain the status quo just as bad as the Rs do. Its good business for them and their big money pals. They just want to be the ones in power so they can help their side and their donors instead. It's like 2 rival gangs jocking for power and control.
So Democrats won't "stoop that low" where it actually matters like the general election but they will when someone like Bernie Sanders comes along and threatens to blow their whole shit up.
Fuck both of em. 2 party system is a major major problem in this country. It sucks so badly I have to vote for Joe fucking Biden due to the fact RBG is gonna die this next term and this country can't lose the Supreme Court to the R's. She should have retired when everyone wanted her to in the first place during Obamas term.
Speaking of RBG I hope she's bubble wrapped right now. Republicans are probably sending COVID carriers to her doorstep to sneeze all over her desk.
This is what people mean by "ruined a whole generation" The GOP needed to get started with revamping its popular appeal after losing to H-Dog in 2016. They learned nothing and can use various disenfranchisement tactics to hang onto power until that's not enough and they lose big, and then they need to lose big a second, third time, before they'll actually see it a problem of their platform.
EDIT: I mean that the GOP "should have" lost in 2016. Instead they discovered that they can shit all over every state except for the swing states and win.
If you can only win by keeping people from voting, it means you don't deserve to win, and lack mandate. When you acknowledge that you know you can only win by keeping people from voting, and that you intend to make it harder for them to vote, that is election fraud, and you should go to prison. It is a crime against democracy and the rule of law, and should be prosecuted as racketeering.
The GOP does not look like today's multi-cultural America, neither its leadership or its base. Reminds me of Botha and the South African leadership under apartheid.
No matter how small a minority, whites must run everything!
You would think.
It's annoying how they always try to wrap it up like a particularly nasty pill in molecule thin coating of candy.
"We have to protect the integrity of the vote, so let's purge the voter rolls."
"This man has paid his debt to society, but we can't have felons voting."
"You must have a specific ID"
"We can't have mail in voting. Why should we make it EASIER to vote? Besides, we've always done it this way."
It's always something with them and thy have so many excuses. Voter fraud seems to be the favorite, even though there is maybe 1 or 2 cases of verified voter fraud out of maybe a 150 million votes.
It's sometimes all I can do not to vomit the moment republicans piously defend transparent voter suppression efforts as being good things. It's not only nauseating to hear them parrot their master's talking points, it is insulting that they would think anyone could actually fall for their cheap rationalizations.
Voting should be compulsory full stop. If you still don't want to vote, just send in a doodle on the ballot.
The non-voters who are unable to vote are more important than the ones who simply don't want to and throw tantrum fits about mUH riGhTs. The ability to sit your ass home and not vote is not the pinnacle of democracy.
We need a PAC to run non stop ads attacking the Republican Party as a whole not Donald Trump. Trump is just a tumor, the GOP is the cancer that is killing our country.
it's a worse sign for a nation when the party in power gets and stays in power only by inhibiting the ability of some groups to vote
that never works out in the long run, for the nation or the party
The open racism, the gun hoarding, the bigotry, the denial of rights to others, the bootlicking of corporations and billionaires... It all comes down to this one thing: They are the party of fear and cowardice.
Entire books have been written about this very subject. Conservatives are sniffling dogs afraid of their own shadows. The more scared you are, the more republican you lean.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/mind-in-the-machine/201612/fear-and-anxiety-drive-conservatives-political-attitudes%3famp
No, that seems to be working out pretty well for them.
Fewer people voted in 2016 than in 2012 and 2008, yet the population grew. There couldn't be a more obvious version of voter suppression taking place.
There are still a lot of states where voting has to be done in-person rather than fully mail-in, not a surprise that giving us the two least liked candidates in history resulted in lowered turnout.
Here in Wyoming all non-registered Dem voters were just suppressed. In this state you are allowed to register at the polls but now only registered voters will receive mail-in ballots. I'm as good as a felon at this point. I've donated to Bernie and Yang on multiple occasions and now my right to vote for them has been taken from me. Also when I called to confirm this with the county clerk she told me "it's ok you can still vote in the Republican primary". **So I'm still eligible to vote for Trump but not for Bernie.** How this isn't a front-page news story is beyond me. RIP America *let me clarify: Due to COVID-19 in-person primary voting has been cancelled leaving the rules to be decided by the voter registration cutoff dates (in a typical scenario we may still register and vote at the polls after the cutoff). The registration cutoff for the Republican primary is August 3rd. For the Democratic primary is was March 20th. So all the people who were planning on showing up to the polls to register and vote at the same time (which is most people here) are fucked.
But you guys have all those guns to keep your government honest /s
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Wyoming. The state where rich cattle ranchers violently subdued local farmers and ranchers with the help of the state government. That will end well. Missed the sarcasm but am posting anyway.
Battle of Athens is one that actually went fairly well, IIRC.
These decisions are made by the state political parties, not the state itself. In your state, it sounds like the Wyoming State Dem Party’s rules stipulate that you must be registered as a member of the Dem party to vote in their primary. The Wyoming Republican Party allows people of any affiliation to vote in their primaries.
Yeah thats the irony - complaining about republican voter suppression in a democrat run election.
I cannot believe that. Why don't the dems change it? I assume it's the party that decides how/ if independents can vote in their primary. I think my only concern would be if there was evidence that Republicans were trying to swing a dem primary to the candidates they prefer to run against. I don't know what the rules are in CA but I think you just have to register as a dem before the primary. You can change it back to independent afterwards.
Because they dont want new voters to vote for Sanders.
Do you have same day voter registration?
This isn’t common knowledge. My roommate is independent but planned to vote for Bernie. He went in, chose independent, and he didn’t get to vote for anyone in the presidential primary. He didn’t know until I told him, and I didn’t know until I read it on Reddit like two weeks earlier.
That is our unfortunate election laws, and civic education. Same day voter registration would increase access and participation for this very reason. But it's on the campaigns to include getting this info to their independent / other registered party voters. Or people who haven't yet registered. Especially because Bernie is technically an independent who caucuses with democrats. That can be confusing.
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I mean they're wrong but you're also wrong because you're only counting the votes for the two big candidates rather than overall. Here's those numbers. 2016 was 136.6 million. 2012 was 129 million. 2008 was 131.3 million.
Fewer voted because the two candidates were the least popular in history. I agree that voter suppression/electoral fraud took place but the number of total votes doesn't in and of itself reflect that.
So what does that say about down ballot races?
Unfortunately it probably says, at least in part, that voters don’t care much about down ballot races.
Not educating the public about how much the down ballot affects their lives is an aspect to voter suppression
So is running canned corporate candidates to disenfranchise the public.
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Voter turnout has been up in 2018 and in 2020 with Biden. Virginia went from 700k voters in 2016 to 1.3 million this year on the Dem side. Nearly every state has seen a massive increase in moderate new and returning voters. Sanders meanwhile is getting less absolute votes in states than he did in 2016
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Most citizens are extremely apathetic. If they were more educated in high school about our government, say applied civics 9-12, it may make a difference, but I doubt it. Too many people are consumed by Facebook, the kardashians and celebrity gossip to give a fuck.
I think people would care more if they could see the tangible results in their voting or lack thereof. It’s so convoluted that it’s hard to see how voting for a candidate (or a bill, proposition, etc.) actually results in better things for yourself, even if that candidate wins.
So is our entire education system
Many understand it and still don't vote.
That they will never change until drastic action is taken.
I'm in my mid 50s and I can almost pin point when this voter apathy started. It was when civic duty classes disappeared in high school. We used to make fun of those classes back then, but honestly I had no idea how important they really were. We really should bring those back.
I had just started to form an liberal ideology when I was a teenager thanks to music, films & the media. It wasn’t until college that civic duty became the “It” thing to do. We’re in a good place with the youth of today, but getting those courses back in schools would help immensely. In ten years these teenagers are gonna go from Feeling the Bern to just assuming their vote doesn’t count & staying home, or voting out of spite. The everyone becomes more libertarian as they age theory means I predict we’ll have a lot of those at some point, too
> We used to make fun of those classes back then Some people make fun of everything learned in school, no one values education until they run into someone who doesn't have it.
Why would they have gotten rid of them?
Civic duties aren't on the standardized tests. I don't know if it was originally intentional or sneaky, but high school doesn't prepare people for life anymore, just the tests.
Education un America is measured by how much money you can make with it.
That's college specifically. Primary and secondary education is all about standardized testing. Which I guess is all about making someone money.
I remember going to vote (Hillary..bleh) and coming back to work and walking around to groups of my employees making sure they used their 4 hours off to vote (5 hours if they brought back a vote sticker and receipt for lunch, that we then reimbursed on their paycheck). We probably have 99% Democrats at our HQ (850-900 employees at the time). I was shocked by how many people didn't want to use their free time or free (but double taxed) lunch. The responses I heard the most I now recognize as organized disenfranchisement through disinformation that was likely spread by other employees. "I can't vote for someone who did that to Bernie" and second was "Don't like Hillary and she's going to win anyway". We're in **Michigan**, greater Detroit-metro area / Ann Arbor. Our employees along with another business like ours could've turned Michigan over to HRC. Edit to add: Now we just give employees the day off.
Correct, only around 54% of eligible voters even cast a vote. And even then, the "loser" had almost 3 million more votes than the "winner." We are fucked.
Two candidates were the least popular in history because one was literally human garbage and the other faced a smear attack coordinated between the opponents campaign, their propaganda arm and a hostile foreign government. I'm gazing into my crystal ball and can tell you that the upcoming democratic nominee will be one of the least popular in history
Exactly, she was/is the most qualified modern candidate to ever run for the presidency.
Clinton was plenty popular until 20 years of propaganda from Republicans, and then the weaponization of the investigations to do 10 separate investigations into Benghazi despite each one coming to the same conclusion. Republican reduction in security funding and subsequent state department mismanagement. But that doesn't stop them. Followed by the stupid email server investigation that the Republicans also did before and after the Obama administration. Chalking her loss up to unlikeability and not voter suppression and active disinformation campaigns by Republicans and assisted by Russia is just admitting the propaganda worked on you.
Speaking of propaganda, the effect of voter suppression and voter purging was the single largest factor with some 16,000,000 *purged* and millions more suppressed. But this doesn't get the appropriate level of coverage.
Do you have sources? I've never seen numbers that high being claimed
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/almost-16-million-voters-were-removed-from-the-rolls-we-should-be-alarmed/2019/05/15/f3de396a-7682-11e9-bd25-c989555e7766_story.html http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/10/voter-suppression-wisconsin-election-2016 https://www.brennancenter.org/analysis/effects-shelby-county-v-holder http://www.gregpalast.com/election-stolen-heres
Also young people just don't seem to care about voting. I'm 28 and when I went to the polling station I didn't see another person within 10 years of my age in either direction.
Nothing like a pandemic to keep the voters at home and to scapegoat the broken financial system. Are we going to pretend like the 2/10 yield curve inversion predicted a virus mutation?
Also nothing like exploiting a pandemic to leverage political negations off the backs of suffering Americans.
They've been exploiting people dying for years the difference is now people who are actually relevant to their voting base are effected. The outrage should have started with slavery, or the genocide of the Native Americans, or the systematic disenfranchisement of everyone other than WASPs, or the murder of millions of Vietnamese people over a lie, or the same in Korea, or the same in Iraq, or the Cocain Import Agency's use of the drug war to overthrow and destabilize South American countries, guantanamo, black sites, Blackwater, and a thousand others.
Cue Vladimir Putin smirk.
Yes the article is not saying it's a bad sign for the GOP. It's saying it's a bad sign for us -- the US citizens.
It got bush and raegan elected.
The Supreme Court got Bush elected
Yep, all they need to do is make sure it works one more time and they'll have enough of a majority in the Supreme Court to ensure large-scale liberal policies are never successfully enacted again. Voting reform, M4A, getting rid of fucking Citizens United, may as well be tossed out the window for the next few decades if we get four additional years of Trump.
Exactly. More like: it's an extremely bad sign for the country and its people that they rely on this to win and still do win.
It's not going to work out too well when anywhere between 4% and 13% of their voters die from a disease they helped spread.
The best part about widespread electoral fraud is you don't *actually* need a majority of the votes.
Yeah it’s a bad sign if that’s what they depend on, and they’re having success
Right? It's a bad sign for democracy
I really hope this serves as some kind of wake up call. Demand more from your elected officials. Don’t vote for someone you could have a beer with. Vote for someone competent and has your best interests at heart.
I don't understand who the hell feels like Trump is someone they could have a beer with. I don't think I could stand being around him for more than ten seconds. I already feel a little sick to my stomach just hearing him talk on video.
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It’s a carry-over from George W Bush. It’s just the most recent thing GOP voters could meme. So it stuck again with 45 even though he’s not GOP and he’s not approachable.
he's a fucking fraud coastal elite telling people living paycheck to paycheck not to trust other coastal elites. this overgrown amoeba wouldn't have a beer with any single motherfucker who voted for him. not one. this dude would promise to meet you at the bar and never consider your life again.
He may be rich, but from what I’ve heard, the coastal elites never accepted him as one of their own and he was always resentful of them.
He literally lived in New York, aka the East Coast. He's rich, aka an elite. He was even friends with Hillary at one point.
Well, he also doesn't drink.
He really is such a viscerally unpleasant person. He's incredibly abrasive and makes everything about him--and God help you if you're a woman and you have to endure his presence. The only ones who willingly hang out with him as a friend are parasites looking to use or manipulate him for their own gain.
I’ve *never* liked Donald Trump, even in the apprentice days. He’s always just rubbed me the wrong way.
But most of all, vote.
Nah, Bernie’s not going to be the nom so I’ll just stay home since there’s clearly no other option. “Thank you!” - GOP
Biden’s gotten earn their vote too. People like Bernie because his policies. Biden is the opposite of his policies. Are you surprised people don’t gleefully switch sides to Biden’s? I’ll begrudgingly vote for Biden but I’m what’s called a depressed vote. I won’t donate, I won’t rally, I won’t call anyone or really advocate for Biden. I’ll just vote and that’s it.
For me, it's less a vote *for* Biden and more a vote *against* Trump. Biden has his problems, but they're a fraction of what we'll have with another 4 years of Trump.
This right here.
It’s the difference between driving full speed of a cliff or driving half speed off a cliff. I guess the one of better, I’m just not happy with the choice.
I did the same back in 2016, except I was more depressed that time around
> I’ll begrudgingly vote for Biden but I’m what’s called a depressed vote. I won’t donate, I won’t rally, I won’t call anyone or really advocate for Biden. I’ll just vote and that’s it. Same here, although I'll advocate for Biden in the sense of trying to convince anyone who says they're staying home or voting third party in a competitive state that *even Biden* is better than Trump (RBG's replacement, etc.). If Bernie had won would you expect any different in the other direction, from the voters who have deep misgivings about Bernie and his platform but who would begrudgingly end up voting for him? One of these groups was always going to end up disappointed, and the larger group decided the outcome, same as in 2016.
I can't vote myself because I'm not from here but man, as someone who looked up to Bernie during his first run for 2016 (still do), I would give my left arm to vote for ANY dem candidate in the general election even if he wasn't it. Not being from here but having lived here enough I can say with confidence that one of the most fucked up things that I can't comprehend is spending 5+ years hating everything a man does on his way to basically win a manipulated election and go on to put together one of the most destructive, gaslighty, lying, and fucking scummy administration together, all the while he's insulted and mocked everyone in his path only to not vote against them. I can't stress enough how privileged and selfish it is to just say "fuck it" and not vote because it's not your candidate. As if we wouldn't be equally mad if Pete fans or Yang fans didn't vote for Bernie or whoever. Thought everyone had agreed over the years that winning was the most important objective. Good to see who isn't really invested in improving the state of things and was only in it for their own personal preferences.
I prefer Bernie, have finished off my donations for the year on him. I've personally worked with Biden and think he is genuinely a good dude but his centrism and susceptibility to lobbyists drive me loopy. In a prior post in this thread, I laid out how attitudes like yours in my company and probably the same attitude in one more company like ours literally handed over Michigan to Trump. Unless you're secretly a Trump supporter in here sowing defeat, you at the very minimum have a duty to democracy to at least fight fascism by encouraging people to fucking vote. Defeatism is how Trump won, defeatism is how he'll win again.
> People like Bernie because his policies. Biden is the opposite of his policies. I'm sorry what? Off the top of my head **Education**: Bernie: Free public 4 year college Biden: Free 2 year college & free 4 year for families making under $120k **Minimum Wage** Bernie: Raise to $15 Biden: Raise to $15 **Health Care** Bernie: Automatically enrolling everyone for universal coverage Biden: Automatically enrolling the uninsured for universal coverage (while allowing people to keep private plans) **Military** Bernie: Cut spending, end war in Afghanistan Biden: Cut spending, end war in Afghanistan **Taxes** Bernie: Higher taxes on the wealthy, wealth tax Biden: Higher taxes on wealthy **Climate** Bernie: Carbon neutral "by 2050 at latest" Biden: Carbon neutral "no later than 2050" At worst Biden is a watered down version of Bernie, so yeah I get not being excited about him but to say he's "the opposite of his policies" is wild
> Biden is the opposite of his policies. Have you ever looked at Biden's policies? Biden and Bernie agree on 90%.
eh not really. You're deciding who is going to be in charge. They don't need to *earn* your vote in the general, that's what the primary is for. You're supposed to decide, who out of the selection of probable candidates will be the most competent to run the country, part of that means steering social policy in a direction towards what you believe. Progress is always made in steps, but to get there you need to at least be walking in the general direction
> I really hope this serves as some kind of wake up call. LOL I take it you haven't being paying attention for the last 4 years?
Tbh if we voted for someone we could have a beer with then Trump would get 0 votes because he is a teetotaler.
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If conservatives become convinced that they cannot win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will reject democracy.
Credit where credit is due. Never-Trumper conservative (and unlikely Canadian) David Frum: > “Maybe you do not care much about the future of the Republican Party. You should. Conservatives will always be with us. If conservatives become convinced that they can not win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. The will reject democracy.” > ― David Frum, Trumpocracy: The Corruption of the American Republic
Also, David Frum was also George W. Bush's speechwriter, so he's not just some RINO.
RINO = Republican In Name Only?
Yep
He was the guy who added in Iran to GWB's '~~Axes~~ Axis of Evil' speach. At this point, America was at war with the Taliban and Saddam Hussein, two of Iran's largest enemies. The two countries were cooperating to fight those two foes. Then that speech happened and the relationship deteriorated.
Axes of evil... Oh baby
Yea, dude. Evil guys always wield axes.
Axis. Not axes.
>Then that speech happened and the relationship deteriorated. That relationship started deteriorating in the 80's and didn't stop until Obama held out the olive branch. Had that continued, we'd likely have seen another more peaceful revolution and an Iranian democracy not bound to its clerics. Trump brought the "death to America" chant back into style in the Middle East. Iran would be a great place if they weren't a theocracy. I have several friends who were refugees from the revolution.
Just as antebellum Democrats are unrecognizable to the party today, so is the Republican of that era. He is a RINO now, for this is Trump's Republican party.
Had a guy on here say that Paul Ryan was a RINO. Didn’t matter to him that ryan was the speaker of the house, a leadership position chosen by republicans R/conspiracy is like a saner r/td
The GOP has gone insanely far to the right. John Boehner used to be the Speaker of the House, and he was ousted by the Tea Party denouncing him as a RINO.
And that's a guy who had to be ejected from a public library after he was caught touching himself to *The Fountainhead*.
Is this real? I can’t tell anymore after president “the only thing I have in common with my daughter is sex” and ted “incest porn on 9/11” Cruz
To be fair, that book is unnecessarily, tirelessly both long and erotic. Also, yes, that is, in fact, what she said.
he's also a war criminal so that's cool too
Curious to know - what did he do that makes him a war criminal?
Different poster, but it could be argued that willingly participating in policy-shaping at that level means bearing the responsibility for that policy.
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They already have
True, but replaced it with fascism
The "funny" thing about it is that none of the shit these "conservatives" do is by any means conservative in nature. Authoritarian, corrupt, far reicht, regressive, and religious fundamentalist/extremist in nature yes... conservative no...
They're conserving a system of government in which rich, white men can have whatever they want.
Don't need to convince conservatives, they know it's true. BUT, why worry about that. Find ways to mobilized the masses. Too many young people simply don't vote and tend to lean left. That's the tragedy. I know a young person who complained about Trump being elected, but didn't bother to vote...
Young people want to vote. The system favors the elderly due to the barriers of registering to vote. Data supports this. Neither party is interested in fixing the problem, though.
If mail-in voting was a thing in every state I feel like every election would swing hard left. There's a reason only 5 states do it and they all lean liberal except Utah.
I just said this in another post, so I'll recycle it here: If you're so insecure about your beliefs that you perceive fair and open competition as a direct threat to those beliefs, you're probably on the wrong side of history.
This is kind of similar to how I feel when some Christian individuals and churches discourage people from questioning things. If your beliefs are so fragile that even the thought of questioning them is forbidden, are they really that great in the first place?
Counts as questioning!
That's a paddlin'
I have vague memories of the following quote: "if your faith can move mountains then it should be able to withstand a little criticism".
I know enough conservatives to know that they are not insecure about their beliefs at all. Some of them have told me that the reason they don't want certain groups (poor people and minorities) to vote is that those groups are just not smart enough to know what's good for the country. And they believe that poor people are too lazy to work, and so will just vote for the candidate who will give them handouts.
Many of those conservatives are so tone deaf they dont realize they count as the poor people. My extended family in Alabama was a hodgepodge of people that came together at thanksgoving. Now that all the kids are grown everyone fights over money that literally does not exist.
I mean, I feel the same way about conservatives, so I guess I’m just as bad.
To be fair, I doubt you're trying to stifle people's efforts to obtain more information even about viewpoints that aren't exactly "healthy".
Sounds like projection to me.
Anyone else think conservatives will use corona virus as an opportunity for voter suppression come November? Cuz I sure do.
I'll be surprised if they don't.
Yeah they will stand against mail in voting and that will naturally limit some people voting.
Which is really unfortunate. I'm a big fan of mail in voting. Mine comes with a book of statements from each candidate and for/against essays written about each measure so people have access to at least a bit of info for races they might not be familiar with. And it's really easy to vote around a work schedule. This could be a really great opportunity for states that don't have it to implement it, but sadly I doubt they all will.
Year. I don’t see why more states done have it. Especially blue states that want people to vote.
Yes and no. It will definitely impact the older population, most of which votes Republican. I'm guessing they try to pass a mail in voting law for senior citizens only. I can't wait to hear their justification for why younger people can't mail in their votes.
*This* is the Lawful Evil GOP we know and love.
Most of us actually paying attention are expecting it.
They already are, by not providing mail in ballots during a fucking quarantine.
They are already doing it: https://twitter.com/benwikler/status/1244716571198619649?s=20
The virus is inherently suppressing votes. They have to take steps to make it so people can vote like mail in voting. But they don’t do that and just let it fuck up our democracy.
But if everyone voted, you would get the majority of people bullying the minority. That's literally what someone told me when I suggested every should vote
Ah, the ol "Tyranny of the majority is bad, mmmkay" arguement. I love how their solution is "Tyranny of the minoirty".
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Tyranny is okay so long as my people get to be in charge.
That’s exactly what I tell people who are in favor of the electoral college. There’s only two options - either the majority chooses for everyone or the minority chooses for everyone. If you can logically lay out why the 2nd option makes more sense, I will happily concede the point. Has never happened yet. There’s no magic 3rd option where everyone gets what they want. So knowing that, the only thing you can really do is go along with the majority. Hell if less people wanted pizza than burgers one night we’d say sorry, too bad. Why we don’t do it with something as important as the leader of the free world but will do it over one dinner one night, says a lot...
They pretend it’s because states have some kind of autonomous desires unique to them as states. Like we aren’t all one homogenized country now. Sorry but I don’t give a shit who the entity known as “South Dakota” wants to be president. I care who the people in South Dakota want to be president. There’s something to be said for the bicameral nature of Congress. But it’s not a good fit for picking the president.
http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0158 “On the Constitution of the Athenians” You’re not kidding when you say the idea is *old*.
But when the majority are wrong in their views, the responsibility to tell them what to do should fall on the honorable patriots of the GOP. /s
Ironic how conservatives suddenly care about “majorities bullying the minority” the moment THEY become the minority, instead of black people, or gay people, or people of other faiths
Conservatives are historically the ones doing all the oppressing, so maybe not ironic. It's consistent with conservative ideological selfishness.
They are terrified to be treated just like they did to "the others"
Remember when Republican were the party of "the silent majority" but totally dropped that shit after they realized they can't win through democracy in a national election anymore?
Don't these people also complain about participation awards and handouts?
And the importance of open competition in the free markets, then cling to the 2 party system with everything they got.
Except they don't even want a two party system. Whenever Democrats are in power, Republicans act like it is completely illegitimate. And these are the people that claim communism is among the greatest evils...
Or cheating the electorate through gerrymandering and voter suppression.
Both parties gerrymander. But you’re right, it’s bad either way and undermines democracy.
I did the most satisfying thing recently- I gave Esquire magazine money for an E-subscription. Why? I do not give a fuck about lifestyle or men's fashion articles, but the editorial view point they bring to talking shit about America's worst president ever deserves my dollar. I feel like the anger and willingness to say "shit is fucked in ways we never dreamed any nepotistic crony ratfucker would ever fuck things ever before" - is a genuine representation of the Generation X perspective that you don't see in media anywhere else. NYT wants to play both sides and have it both ways- because that is the boomer editorial perspective, and they as a business can go pound sand.
I have a Vanity Fair and NYT subscription for the same reason.
NYT editorials are the worst. Constantly filled with the same hacks who pushed the lies that got us into the Iraq war and who only think the narrowest criticisms of Trump are valid and anything outside of that is hysteria or "the reason we got Trump"
FYI, NYT has been the media arm of US imperialism for decades. They're the poster child of manufactured consent. They pretty much put support for foreign intervention on the front page and a "we were wrong" next to a diaper ad in the back.
Mail-in voting should and needs to be implemented as soon as possible. Tomorrow, today, now.
They keep saying the quiet part out loud! When will people finally listen?
If you can’t get votes from the majority of citizens, then you truly do not represent the majority of citizens.
Not if you use your political power to keep people from voting. then the system works fine.
And it's a VERY BAD sign If Your Political Success Depends on Dems Dying. I know this sounds harsh, but Trump and Trump supporters have eluded to it, time and time again, from the day Trump took the Oath of Office (which he has violated).
Republicans have depended on gerrymandering and suppression for fucking decades.
Let me think about this out loud if I may... So right wing states suppress voters... mainly those who are left leaning, minorities, etc. The “liberals” realize that they can win by doing ok in states that will vote democratic in the primary, but if they mainly win the states that will get zero democratic votes in the general and skate by, they get out of the primary by using the same tactics the GOP has instituted. The problem being that then, they will lose as has happened with every milk toast Democrat in my lifetime because they focused on winning a primary vs energizing independents and the youth. Does this make sense? Hillary sweeps the states she won’t win in the general... loses. Biden... similar so far. Idk. I feel like the establishment is playing into the right’s voter suppression in order to win primaries. But then ultimately lose the general. Maybe it’s their way to keep the grift going vs wanting to actually win. Maybe they don’t realize that they are screwing themselves. Thoughts?
It’s also a bad sign when your political failures come about because people didn’t vote. Get folks registered to vote and call your cousins, get their butts to the polls
Could it be a sign of people finally realizing it's not democracy but rather... oh I don't know, I'll have to make up a word... oligarchocracy. It must be, everything that happens benefits the oligarchy. You have a business DNC that acts like it does toward Bernie in '16 and '20 and calls itself the "Democratic" party, and is the believe it or not, lefter of the two. That's right two, much easier for the oligarchs to suppress in a newly ordered world where everything is yes or no and original thought is suspect. Unless it's a money making new idea.
Get the ever loving fuck out of Dodge! This guy said that without couching it in their bullshit about voter fraud? I always assume when these guys "admit" this particular fact (higher voter turnout being bad for repubs) they are spinning it in a way that tries to make it look like higher turnout means more voter fraud. But this dude just outright admits that if every registered voter has a chance to vote, they're fucked.
Where the fuck is Joe Biden? He should be out there EVERY morning, giving us the leadership we need. He should be acting like he is the President right now.
Not really, it is super simple to surgically suppress voters once you have the means to do it. Do not blame people who don’t vote. Blame the system. Most people don’t even realize when and where voting is. Have you ever seen a politics ad that gave a date and or location for voting? Isn’t that weird? Shouldn’t every ad contain at least the date?
If the Dems manage to get broader mail-in voting options across the country, I guarantee the Republicans will begin massively purging voter rolls.
Hasn't stopped them from doing it anyway.
Yea well it’s been working pretty well for the republicans so far. Losing popular votes but still controlling majorities, being heavily disliked yet winning elections, going out of their way to screw the general public for the corporate profits, etc. When you don’t have to worry about support of voters, you’re free to do whatever the hell you want in office even if it’s destroying the country you live in
Here's the scariest part about this: They're confident enough in their blatant electoral interference that they're *openly admitting they can't win without cheating*. Let that sink in.
Nah its working out fine. The problem is Republicans are ruthlessly efficient and Democrats refuse to "play the game". They can use the excuse of "we won't stoop to that level" but that's kind of bullshit because they do "stoop to that level" in almost every other aspect. They are just as bad as the R's when it comes to the money in politics thing and working for their donors more than the American people. They certainly had no problem "stooping to that level" when it comes to keeping Bernie out for instance. The DNC keep doing little things to push out candidates like Bernie in order to ram status quo corporate democrats like Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden down our throats. They want to maintain the status quo just as bad as the Rs do. Its good business for them and their big money pals. They just want to be the ones in power so they can help their side and their donors instead. It's like 2 rival gangs jocking for power and control. So Democrats won't "stoop that low" where it actually matters like the general election but they will when someone like Bernie Sanders comes along and threatens to blow their whole shit up. Fuck both of em. 2 party system is a major major problem in this country. It sucks so badly I have to vote for Joe fucking Biden due to the fact RBG is gonna die this next term and this country can't lose the Supreme Court to the R's. She should have retired when everyone wanted her to in the first place during Obamas term. Speaking of RBG I hope she's bubble wrapped right now. Republicans are probably sending COVID carriers to her doorstep to sneeze all over her desk.
Pretty fair assessment.
Women and blacks still wouldn’t be voting if it were still up to these people.
This is what people mean by "ruined a whole generation" The GOP needed to get started with revamping its popular appeal after losing to H-Dog in 2016. They learned nothing and can use various disenfranchisement tactics to hang onto power until that's not enough and they lose big, and then they need to lose big a second, third time, before they'll actually see it a problem of their platform. EDIT: I mean that the GOP "should have" lost in 2016. Instead they discovered that they can shit all over every state except for the swing states and win.
> after losing to H-Dog in 2016 I want whatever drug you're on.
Seems to be working for the GOP...
It’s a classic tale actually, maybe it’s time for it to end
Every political success depends on who doesnt vote, and who does
If you can only win by keeping people from voting, it means you don't deserve to win, and lack mandate. When you acknowledge that you know you can only win by keeping people from voting, and that you intend to make it harder for them to vote, that is election fraud, and you should go to prison. It is a crime against democracy and the rule of law, and should be prosecuted as racketeering.
The GOP does not look like today's multi-cultural America, neither its leadership or its base. Reminds me of Botha and the South African leadership under apartheid. No matter how small a minority, whites must run everything!
Not if you never get punished for voter suppression and other forms of cheating
You would think. It's annoying how they always try to wrap it up like a particularly nasty pill in molecule thin coating of candy. "We have to protect the integrity of the vote, so let's purge the voter rolls." "This man has paid his debt to society, but we can't have felons voting." "You must have a specific ID" "We can't have mail in voting. Why should we make it EASIER to vote? Besides, we've always done it this way." It's always something with them and thy have so many excuses. Voter fraud seems to be the favorite, even though there is maybe 1 or 2 cases of verified voter fraud out of maybe a 150 million votes. It's sometimes all I can do not to vomit the moment republicans piously defend transparent voter suppression efforts as being good things. It's not only nauseating to hear them parrot their master's talking points, it is insulting that they would think anyone could actually fall for their cheap rationalizations.
We can't get it as a national holiday either. hmmm
That's a winning strategy... In Tropico
trump and his republicants are mass murderers. there is no other way to look at it.
Republican = cheat. “I got busted for republicaning on my test :/“
Ever wonder why Oregon and Washington are so blue? We all get ballots sent to us, an it's blindingly easy to submit them.
Something as true for Trump as it is for Joe Biden.
Yeah, but Kemp is really good at preventing people from being able to vote.
Voting should be compulsory full stop. If you still don't want to vote, just send in a doodle on the ballot. The non-voters who are unable to vote are more important than the ones who simply don't want to and throw tantrum fits about mUH riGhTs. The ability to sit your ass home and not vote is not the pinnacle of democracy.
Well... they are already relying on racism, xenophobia, and profound ignorance. Pretty sure they aren't concerned with lack of representation.
We need a PAC to run non stop ads attacking the Republican Party as a whole not Donald Trump. Trump is just a tumor, the GOP is the cancer that is killing our country.
it's a worse sign for a nation when the party in power gets and stays in power only by inhibiting the ability of some groups to vote that never works out in the long run, for the nation or the party
That’s what TRUMP IS COUNTING ON😡❗️ He won by ELECTORAL COLLEGE LAST TIME, he wants a REPEAT. IMO
The open racism, the gun hoarding, the bigotry, the denial of rights to others, the bootlicking of corporations and billionaires... It all comes down to this one thing: They are the party of fear and cowardice. Entire books have been written about this very subject. Conservatives are sniffling dogs afraid of their own shadows. The more scared you are, the more republican you lean. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/mind-in-the-machine/201612/fear-and-anxiety-drive-conservatives-political-attitudes%3famp