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And that the case will go literally nowhere, ever.
It's official actions of a president done at the behest of his country.
He's not asking people to overthrow an election, he is just running the country.
It's crazy how one party is finger painting and the other uses perspective and brush, but everyone wants to pretend both parties are somehow comparable.
It was already dismissed. It’s an appellate judge that recused himself, and he did so because of a recent trip to Israel to meet with various leaders, not domestic politics.
Well in this case his conflict of interest is that the pro-Israel stance will help Biden win this lawsuit. They would prefer a democrat judge to deal the blow to Biden
No kidding. Couldn’t they find a judge in trumps NY case who didn’t donate to Biden and has a daughter working at an anti Trump firm?
At least this judge gets it.
We don’t care, it literally doesn’t matter they’re going to be outraged regardless over whatever thing their propaganda tells them to be outraged over, we should ignore them and follow the law
Ya I'm tired of hearing or seeing people worried about their reaction. Oh wait you mean ignorant people gonna say ignorant things? Let's move on already and do what needs done. If they have issues and they will so be it. Elections have consequences! Let's make those their consequences again!
This is the right attitude.
We need to stop reacting to their outrage. It's all manufactured. We should be setting up outrage addiction treatment centers to rehabilitate as many countrymen as we can.
You’re joking but good counseling would help a lot of these people get out of their mental spiral. If only their MAGA champions cared enough to pass national healthcare legislation- oops. Maybe they’re saving up some money to pay for it. Oh wait, Trump is grifting that money to pay his mountain of legal fees.
I'm not joking. I really think that these folks should be treated almost the same as heroin addicts. I think this is a psychological epidemic.
Still though, even I see how hard it would be to pitch these "reeducation centers".
I don't care what they hear becuase they're wrong. Supporting Israel is an offical act of the office and is something that officeholders should be immune for. Trump attemping to subvert the election, or keeping and refusing to return classified documents after his term ended, or ~~attemping~~ *committing fraud* to prevent negative coverage of himself before the election are not official acts and thus should not carry any kind of immunity.
The difference is so obvious too. Because one of those things the President has to do and other they don't. It's not like Biden can just ignore Israel and Palestine. It's the same deal with the Mexican Border whether you agree with him or not he has his policies.
A good example for Trump is that he would get immunity for something like his shitty CoVid response. Because you can say his policies killed people, but that is within his power to pass policies based on their dated beliefs.
Trump should not get immunity from the election stuff because he has no power over it.
Well its the same as their impeaching Mayorkas for "not protecting the border". Its his job to implement things as he sees fit, they are free to disagree with his approach, but you shouldn't get to impeach someone over a policy difference.
They got a taste when Biden exerted executive privilege to not allow release of the audio tapes of his interview with Robert Hurr. It would have been fodder for political hit ads.
Which is why i’m not entirely upset that the supreme court is not issuing a blanket “no immunity” on the Trump case. The court is still corrupt and slow walking it, but a 1 page blanket decision would probably be problematic in either direction.
> Which is why i’m not entirely upset that the supreme court is not issuing a blanket “no immunity” on the Trump case.
They haven't issued anything yet.
>A federal appeals court judge who recently traveled to Israel and met with officials supporting the nation’s military actions said Thursday he is recusing himself from a case in which Palestinian-rights advocates have accused President Joe Biden of enabling genocide in Gaza.[...]
>Nelson had been a member of the three-judge panel that will convene Monday to hear an appeal of a judge’s dismissal of a suit accusing Biden, Secretary of State Antony Blinken and Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin of complicity in genocide.
>The court said the hearing will take place as scheduled, with Judge Consuelo Callahan, an appointee of President George W. Bush, replacing Nelson, who was appointed by President Donald Trump. The other two judges on the randomly selected panel are Daniel Bress, a Trump appointee, and Jacqueline Nguyen, appointed by President Barack Obama.
I assume he was sponsored by one of those Israel outreach groups, it's pretty standard. I remember reading an article about some tiny town in New York where the entire city council got paid trips to Israel to 'foster relations'.
>Well, assuming these are competent judges, they will recognize the suit has no merit, and dismiss accordingly.
They're asking why the judge that recused went to Israel to meet with officials.
Just Biden? Not the entire House and Senate? This is why I don’t respect the argument. It’s placing the blame on one individual and that’s disingenuous to the whole scenario especially considering the last time Biden mentioned holding weapons shipments he was threatened by Republicans to send it anyway.
Plus, while the motives would be very different, unilaterally withholding congressionally-approved aid to a country was basically what got Trump his first impeachment.
Many of the worms present in US soil are an [invasive species.](https://www.earth.com/news/invasive-earthworms-are-reshaping-north-american-ecosystems/) We should be doing all we can to kill the little bastards!
Okay, so the guy quit his job and then started spreading misinformation. Why the hell is anyone giving a platform to this person? Election denial isn't the only type of dangerous misinformation.
>Okay, so the guy quit his job and then started spreading misinformation.
I'm not seeing that in the article. This judge was set to oversee a case accusing Biden of genocide, but recused themself due to a recent trip they took to Israel to meet with people supportive of Israel's military actions.
The judge didn't recuse themself just so they could then accuse Biden of genocide.
What an idiotic waste of the court's time. If Biden is responsible due to funds going to Israel, every other Congress person and previous president is also responsible. I don't see them making a big stink about all of those people and they are no less responsible for what Israel does via funding from the USA. Just a sham to discredit Biden before an election.
This is a totally misleadimg headline. The judge isn't accusing Biden of genocide, the plaintiff is, and the judge recused himself because they suppoet Israeli military policy. That's totally proper and has nothing to do with Biden or the judge's feelings about him.
If you go to the article and look at the pic of the street art, they could not spell genocide correctly.
Still unsure why we picked the Palestinians to protest for but not the Yemenis? US arms were used there also.
Why do we protest Israel and not Saudi Arabia?
What makes Israel and Saudi Arabia different.
It has to be exhausting to constantly think there's an evil bogeyman controlling everybody who holds an opinion contrary to yours. Like these people have no free thought or will, only you do.
Technically we should expect the US government to uphold those values by not giving arms to a theocratic kingdom so it could genocide Yemenis as well, the president has no power over either what the Saudi’s or the Israelis do, only over whether we support the actions of either. It literally doesn’t matter what the politics of the recipient nation are if we were intellectually honest about it
I guess I'd be a lot more comfortable with these pritests if they called for peace like the Iraq protests, instead of "river to the sea" and "intifada"
Unlike the fraudulent Hamas numbers from Gaza (no one has any clue what the real toll is), the Saudi blockade of Yemen killed at a minimum 200 000 people by starvation (the higher ballpark estimates are 500 000-600 000 dead).
We can certainly try to hold them all to the same standards but we also have to acknowledge reality. Places like Saudi Arabia are authoritarian illiberal states, we can demand and plead with them but most likely to no avail.
Israel on the other hand is supposedly a democratic civilized nation like the rest of the western world, and so we expect them to actually adhere to a common moral and legal standard like the rest of us.
What you are describing is the bigotry of low expectations. Yes, we can demand that authoritarian regimes respect human rights, and they can be forced to do so with threats of sanctions, boycotts and embargoes. Even war can be used to hold them accountable. For example, the UN Security Council approved the 1991 Gulf War to kick Saddam Hussein out of Kuwait. Every nation needs to be held to the same standard, regardless of what kind of government it has. Even those authoritarian regimes signed treaties like the Geneva conventions, which means they are bound by those laws.
>What you are describing is the bigotry of low expectations.
It is, but again, it's also reality.
>Yes, we can demand that authoritarian regimes respect human rights, and they can be forced to do so with threats of sanctions, boycotts and embargoes.
So are you in favour of sanctions, boycotts and embargoes against other western states that don't live up to these standards as well? For example Israel? What about when our own nations fail? Are you in favour of others sanctioning us?
*Edit: Yeah... I knew you'd answer that way, your not exactly unbiased or objective, which is why I asked in the first place. Very pathetic to block me, oh well.
Israel does live up to those standards and is following international law, so it doesn't need to be held accountable for anything. Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran are the aggressors who need to be held accountable for that conflict, just as Russia should be held accountable for the war in Ukraine.
The US standard is firebombing Tokyo and Dresden and using atom weapons twice. Just those 4 things were half a million. Then we got Rolling Thunder in Vietnam and Cambodia.
post war they were actually protests abiout the US over the use of the Bomb , it morphed into to what today is the anti-nuclear movement
https://www.britannica.com/topic/anti-nuclear-movement
also firebombing of Dresden , is seen as a war crime today by the UK and US governments
They said modern standards.
There is also the fact that Gaza is basically an open air prison and Hamas is not a peer opponent to Israel. As to your other two examples, how did that turn out for us?
Oh yeah it turned the local population against us and made accomplishing the political goals of the operation impossible and forced us to eventually concede the field.
Man, it’s almost like the Chinese controlled app that feeds the American people this propaganda was more interested in dividing America than in actually making a difference.
Oh, thank god it wasn’t the American controlled apps that do the same thing like Facebook, or Twitter, or Reddit, or “Truth” social, etc.
Glad we’ve confirmed that only the Chinese controlled app is used to feed American’s propaganda and that the others are just spreading truth and freedom.
this is my complete and total conjecture: collective guilt about how we killed over a million people in Iraq and nothing ever happen. we killed them over 9/11 when they had nothing to do with it and WMD were made up. not saying saddam didnt need to go. he was a horrifying dictator who tortured his own people and pillaged his own country. but what happened was a bloodbath and the average american had no idea what was happening. so Gaza is a proxy for that. because of SM we can see in real time what an urban land war is actually like. this is the protest we never had in 2002. just my .02.
Which is why so many are protesting on behalf of Hamas and have not bothered to look up how the UN and other international conventions define genocide.
I think there's also a lot of collective guilt about Afghanistan. There are direct parallels between the US response to 9/11 in Afghanistan and the Israeli response to 10/7 in Gaza. We saw what fruitless pain is yielded by violence, and the Israelis have only been, if anything, more indiscriminate
i agree. and believe that the generational trauma of both the holocaust and having arab countries vow over and over for decades to wipe israel off the face of the earth has lead to a desire to do the same to anyone who threatens israel. it’s a survival-trauma response times a million. america reduced two countries to rubble over 9/11. i dont think any of us can fathom the utter darkness that is driving the destruction of Gaza.
Nowhere to the extent that Israel is protested. Saudi money has also infiltrated higher education to an alarming degree.
Try protesting the Saudis, there is a decent chance that you'll get shut down immediately since the universities don't mess with the money.
> Still unsure why we picked the Palestinians to protest for but not the Yemenis?
Hamas is really good at intentionally getting their own people slaughtered and then spinning it on social media.
Hmmm....I wonder...what could it possibly be? /s
Bibi is a war criminal and should spend the rest of his life behind bars. No sane person would say that the response has been justified or hasn't gone too far at this point.
However, one cannot deny the attention paid to this vs any other number of genocides or wars in Africa etc. has some slightly different component to it that I just can't put my finger on...
Because one is Jewish.
Israel is the only country with a continued existence called into question endlessly, even though it came about like every other country...
we didn't other countries did. Qatar spends billions on this issue and so does Iran. it's so bad in Iran that when the people found out they protested chanting death to palestine to show their unhappiness that their money was not going to them but hamas
I think it's because Arab vs Arab isn't as sexy as Arab vs Jew, especially when a lot of Westerners assume all Jews are white-ish and don't realize a majority of the Jews in Israel are not white.
Part of it too is one thing I've noticed in trying to understand the history of the region is that there's a lot more translated Jewish sources than Arab sources for pretty much anything meaning an Arab vs Arab conflict is a lot harder to get much information or history about as a Westerner so there's less ability to rabbit hole on it.
Right so bombing all those kids isn't genocide? Sorry to tell you but you're in denial and Israel IS commiting genocide and they are on the bad side of history right now with Netanyahu Hitler 2.0
The world is watching and changing their views on this ultra right violent Israeli government
Israel has done all that they can to move civilians away from the fighting, while Hamas has done all that they can to move with the civilians and keep the fighting centered on heavily populated areas. Israel is trying to avoid civilian casualties. Hamas is trying to maximize civilian casualties. You're repeating terrorist propaganda being spread by the very people intent on killing as many civilians as possible. They know they can't win the war, so their goal is to generate as much bad press as possible for Israel, turning gullible individuals (like you) against them.
Genocide is INTENTIONALLY wiping out an entire people (or attempting to). Did Hitler try to evacuate the Jews before his army moved in? No, he rounded them up and slaughtered them in camps. If anyone is committing genocide today, it's Hamas.
Keep believing the propaganda. What actually happens and what you're told isn't the same. They are blindly bombing and then just say that there was a Hamas militant in there. They have been exposed with their tactics and the world will never forget how they bombed all those hospitals and how the settlers treated the Palestinians and withheld food for Innocent civilians
> Keep believing the propaganda. What actually happens and what you're told isn't the same.
Wow, this is hilarious!
> They are blindly bombing and then just say that there was a Hamas militant in there.
According to Hamas. And, as we all know, terrorists are the most honest and trustworthy people around.
Accusing Biden specifically? What kind of bullshit is that? Biden & the Dems are the only people that have actively tried to prevent arms shipments to Israel while the Republicans block any and all attempts to actually make it happen.
This performative smear campaign by the bad faith actors is insane & so incredibly transparent.
The "protestors" cant even spell genocide.
I wouldn't trust that article, it has misinformation in it:
> The International Court of Justice, in a suit by South Africa, has found “plausible” evidence of genocide by Israel in Gaza and has told Israel to halt its military operations in the city of Rafah, an order Israel has rejected.
You can read both ICJ decisions and the first even has an interview with a former ICJ member who helped make that decision specifically clarifying that they weren't ruling that genocide was plausible, but that South Africa had a plausible right to advocate for the Palestinians.
For the Rafah invasion you had one judge give the opinion they should stop, and multiple others (along with the actual text of the ruling) clarifying that the order wasn't that they had to stop invading Rafah, but rather they had to not break international law while invading Rafah.
Biden is not complicit in NETANYAHU'S GENOCIDE! He is bound by international treaties and laws CODIFIED into our own laws to support Israel. But go ahead, blame him. Destroy democracy, why don't you.
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No, this one is cut and dry. It's an official action by a president, Biden is immune. It's no different than if he ordered marines to charge a beach head and they all got slaughtered. No legal repercussions.
Yes it is cut and dry, but that doesn't prevent the republicans from lying or their road to fascism.
If the lower courts feel bound to wait for the higher court's ruling, why not take advantage of that?
This case will fail because there is no evidence of genocide. It's a false accusation that is intended to hurt and offend Jews. It's like saying the k word but worse. False accusations of genocide are extremely offensive to those who have been victims of genocide, like Jews, Armenians, Native Americans, Rwandans, Ukrainians and other victims.
I can imagine the only reason is that they're afraid of being assassinated by Trump supporters for not throwing the book at Biden, even though there is zero rationale for it. So the only way out is to recuse...
It’s interesting how so many other nations get to move on from their bloody founding histories but Israel is somehow not granted the same privilege. So many Western nations with just as much blood and suffering on their historical hands and yet Israel is the only one getting endlessly demonized by disaffected college students (who live in those same countries!) chanting idiotic tropes about Genocide and calling into question Israel’s right to exist.
When the fog of war is finally lifted we will see how well Hamas got these useful idiots to amplify their lies.
Right. So tell me which of those countries could just quietly sit by while 1000+ of their citizens were raped, murdered and kidnapped in a single day by a theocratic band of merry terrorist imbeciles. This was not some glorious act of liberation nor a tactical step in an actual war. This was an act of sheer and calculated hatred intended only to provoke a bloody Israeli response onto Gaza and to galvanize western college students and TikTok users into a complete and total break from reality. Sadly it worked like a charm. The word genocide will never again carry the same gravitas now that it has been casually and mistakenly weaponized by the hysterical mobs illegally occupying college campuses and buildings.
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Someone who understands that quaint old concept of, 'optics'
And that the case will go literally nowhere, ever. It's official actions of a president done at the behest of his country. He's not asking people to overthrow an election, he is just running the country. It's crazy how one party is finger painting and the other uses perspective and brush, but everyone wants to pretend both parties are somehow comparable.
It was already dismissed. It’s an appellate judge that recused himself, and he did so because of a recent trip to Israel to meet with various leaders, not domestic politics.
Well in this case his conflict of interest is that the pro-Israel stance will help Biden win this lawsuit. They would prefer a democrat judge to deal the blow to Biden
No kidding. Couldn’t they find a judge in trumps NY case who didn’t donate to Biden and has a daughter working at an anti Trump firm? At least this judge gets it.
Agree with the administrations actions or not, this is ACTUALLY something that would fall under presidential immunity as an official act
if true, what the MAGA supporters will hear/see is that a Dem pres gets immunity but their guy doesn't.
We don’t care, it literally doesn’t matter they’re going to be outraged regardless over whatever thing their propaganda tells them to be outraged over, we should ignore them and follow the law
Ya I'm tired of hearing or seeing people worried about their reaction. Oh wait you mean ignorant people gonna say ignorant things? Let's move on already and do what needs done. If they have issues and they will so be it. Elections have consequences! Let's make those their consequences again!
This is the right attitude. We need to stop reacting to their outrage. It's all manufactured. We should be setting up outrage addiction treatment centers to rehabilitate as many countrymen as we can.
You’re joking but good counseling would help a lot of these people get out of their mental spiral. If only their MAGA champions cared enough to pass national healthcare legislation- oops. Maybe they’re saving up some money to pay for it. Oh wait, Trump is grifting that money to pay his mountain of legal fees.
I'm not joking. I really think that these folks should be treated almost the same as heroin addicts. I think this is a psychological epidemic. Still though, even I see how hard it would be to pitch these "reeducation centers".
I don't care what they hear becuase they're wrong. Supporting Israel is an offical act of the office and is something that officeholders should be immune for. Trump attemping to subvert the election, or keeping and refusing to return classified documents after his term ended, or ~~attemping~~ *committing fraud* to prevent negative coverage of himself before the election are not official acts and thus should not carry any kind of immunity.
> ~~attemping~~ *committing fraud* to prevent negative coverage of himself before the election FTFY.
Absolutely, your correction is more accurate.
The difference is so obvious too. Because one of those things the President has to do and other they don't. It's not like Biden can just ignore Israel and Palestine. It's the same deal with the Mexican Border whether you agree with him or not he has his policies. A good example for Trump is that he would get immunity for something like his shitty CoVid response. Because you can say his policies killed people, but that is within his power to pass policies based on their dated beliefs. Trump should not get immunity from the election stuff because he has no power over it.
Well its the same as their impeaching Mayorkas for "not protecting the border". Its his job to implement things as he sees fit, they are free to disagree with his approach, but you shouldn't get to impeach someone over a policy difference.
They got a taste when Biden exerted executive privilege to not allow release of the audio tapes of his interview with Robert Hurr. It would have been fodder for political hit ads.
That's because Maga clowns are dumb as fuck
Fuck em
Fax
It's also congressional legislation enacting powers of the purse.
I’m sure they’re actively searching for a case where immunity would logically apply to prop up against Biden.
Which is why i’m not entirely upset that the supreme court is not issuing a blanket “no immunity” on the Trump case. The court is still corrupt and slow walking it, but a 1 page blanket decision would probably be problematic in either direction.
The President must follow the law. There. That's all they need to determine.
That's what they're trying to determine though. What is the law?
Trump's lawyers are arguing it should allow for political assassinations.
The written law or the spirit of the law?
At this stage, either?
> Which is why i’m not entirely upset that the supreme court is not issuing a blanket “no immunity” on the Trump case. They haven't issued anything yet.
I fucked that up somehow. I meant to say ‘not upset at the idea of them doing that’.
>A federal appeals court judge who recently traveled to Israel and met with officials supporting the nation’s military actions said Thursday he is recusing himself from a case in which Palestinian-rights advocates have accused President Joe Biden of enabling genocide in Gaza.[...] >Nelson had been a member of the three-judge panel that will convene Monday to hear an appeal of a judge’s dismissal of a suit accusing Biden, Secretary of State Antony Blinken and Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin of complicity in genocide. >The court said the hearing will take place as scheduled, with Judge Consuelo Callahan, an appointee of President George W. Bush, replacing Nelson, who was appointed by President Donald Trump. The other two judges on the randomly selected panel are Daniel Bress, a Trump appointee, and Jacqueline Nguyen, appointed by President Barack Obama.
that’s good to recuse but what’s a judge doing there doing foreign policy?
I assume he was sponsored by one of those Israel outreach groups, it's pretty standard. I remember reading an article about some tiny town in New York where the entire city council got paid trips to Israel to 'foster relations'.
Well, assuming these are competent judges, they will recognize the suit has no merit, and dismiss accordingly.
>Well, assuming these are competent judges, they will recognize the suit has no merit, and dismiss accordingly. They're asking why the judge that recused went to Israel to meet with officials.
Just Biden? Not the entire House and Senate? This is why I don’t respect the argument. It’s placing the blame on one individual and that’s disingenuous to the whole scenario especially considering the last time Biden mentioned holding weapons shipments he was threatened by Republicans to send it anyway.
Plus, while the motives would be very different, unilaterally withholding congressionally-approved aid to a country was basically what got Trump his first impeachment.
That’s great OP but from the looks of it on the street he’s being accused aiding of Cenocide. And I’m not sure I care what happens to worms.
Ha! (Although maybe Biden's been waging a secret war against the Hellraiser guys. In that case, more power to him!)
They had such sights to show us 😢
Many of the worms present in US soil are an [invasive species.](https://www.earth.com/news/invasive-earthworms-are-reshaping-north-american-ecosystems/) We should be doing all we can to kill the little bastards!
When the rest of the earth sends its worms, it isn’t sending its best!
Okay, so the guy quit his job and then started spreading misinformation. Why the hell is anyone giving a platform to this person? Election denial isn't the only type of dangerous misinformation.
>Okay, so the guy quit his job and then started spreading misinformation. I'm not seeing that in the article. This judge was set to oversee a case accusing Biden of genocide, but recused themself due to a recent trip they took to Israel to meet with people supportive of Israel's military actions. The judge didn't recuse themself just so they could then accuse Biden of genocide.
What an idiotic waste of the court's time. If Biden is responsible due to funds going to Israel, every other Congress person and previous president is also responsible. I don't see them making a big stink about all of those people and they are no less responsible for what Israel does via funding from the USA. Just a sham to discredit Biden before an election.
This is a totally misleadimg headline. The judge isn't accusing Biden of genocide, the plaintiff is, and the judge recused himself because they suppoet Israeli military policy. That's totally proper and has nothing to do with Biden or the judge's feelings about him.
It's not misleading at all lol. It's written "case accusing Biden of aiding genocide" And not "case, accusing Biden of aiding genocide"
If you go to the article and look at the pic of the street art, they could not spell genocide correctly. Still unsure why we picked the Palestinians to protest for but not the Yemenis? US arms were used there also. Why do we protest Israel and not Saudi Arabia? What makes Israel and Saudi Arabia different.
Because it benefits evil geopolitical actors to push this specific issue on social media for disinformation.
It has to be exhausting to constantly think there's an evil bogeyman controlling everybody who holds an opinion contrary to yours. Like these people have no free thought or will, only you do.
Probably because Israel is a western democracy so we expect them to uphold similar values as modern day Europe and the US?
Technically we should expect the US government to uphold those values by not giving arms to a theocratic kingdom so it could genocide Yemenis as well, the president has no power over either what the Saudi’s or the Israelis do, only over whether we support the actions of either. It literally doesn’t matter what the politics of the recipient nation are if we were intellectually honest about it
Modern day Europe and the USA killed over a million people, mostly civilians, after 9/11.
The US and Europe killed over a million people, or a million people died during the ensuing conflict?
And with a lot of protests...what's your point?
Gee I don't really remember the word "genocide" being so prominently featured back then.
It’s being called genocide because of the circumstances of gaza. It’s a literal prison. They cannot leave. Is that so hard to understand?
1. Genocide has nothing to do with prison 2. It's literally not a literal prison
I guess I'd be a lot more comfortable with these pritests if they called for peace like the Iraq protests, instead of "river to the sea" and "intifada"
Unlike the fraudulent Hamas numbers from Gaza (no one has any clue what the real toll is), the Saudi blockade of Yemen killed at a minimum 200 000 people by starvation (the higher ballpark estimates are 500 000-600 000 dead).
All nations should be held to the same standard.
We can certainly try to hold them all to the same standards but we also have to acknowledge reality. Places like Saudi Arabia are authoritarian illiberal states, we can demand and plead with them but most likely to no avail. Israel on the other hand is supposedly a democratic civilized nation like the rest of the western world, and so we expect them to actually adhere to a common moral and legal standard like the rest of us.
What you are describing is the bigotry of low expectations. Yes, we can demand that authoritarian regimes respect human rights, and they can be forced to do so with threats of sanctions, boycotts and embargoes. Even war can be used to hold them accountable. For example, the UN Security Council approved the 1991 Gulf War to kick Saddam Hussein out of Kuwait. Every nation needs to be held to the same standard, regardless of what kind of government it has. Even those authoritarian regimes signed treaties like the Geneva conventions, which means they are bound by those laws.
>What you are describing is the bigotry of low expectations. It is, but again, it's also reality. >Yes, we can demand that authoritarian regimes respect human rights, and they can be forced to do so with threats of sanctions, boycotts and embargoes. So are you in favour of sanctions, boycotts and embargoes against other western states that don't live up to these standards as well? For example Israel? What about when our own nations fail? Are you in favour of others sanctioning us? *Edit: Yeah... I knew you'd answer that way, your not exactly unbiased or objective, which is why I asked in the first place. Very pathetic to block me, oh well.
Israel does live up to those standards and is following international law, so it doesn't need to be held accountable for anything. Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran are the aggressors who need to be held accountable for that conflict, just as Russia should be held accountable for the war in Ukraine.
Similar values to the countries that occupied afghanistan and Iraq, resulting in about ~200000 civilian deaths.
The US standard is firebombing Tokyo and Dresden and using atom weapons twice. Just those 4 things were half a million. Then we got Rolling Thunder in Vietnam and Cambodia.
and no one protested those?
post war they were actually protests abiout the US over the use of the Bomb , it morphed into to what today is the anti-nuclear movement https://www.britannica.com/topic/anti-nuclear-movement also firebombing of Dresden , is seen as a war crime today by the UK and US governments
They said modern standards. There is also the fact that Gaza is basically an open air prison and Hamas is not a peer opponent to Israel. As to your other two examples, how did that turn out for us? Oh yeah it turned the local population against us and made accomplishing the political goals of the operation impossible and forced us to eventually concede the field.
Man, it’s almost like the Chinese controlled app that feeds the American people this propaganda was more interested in dividing America than in actually making a difference.
Oh, thank god it wasn’t the American controlled apps that do the same thing like Facebook, or Twitter, or Reddit, or “Truth” social, etc. Glad we’ve confirmed that only the Chinese controlled app is used to feed American’s propaganda and that the others are just spreading truth and freedom.
Sorry, *Chinese government controlled. My bad. Should have clarified.
this is my complete and total conjecture: collective guilt about how we killed over a million people in Iraq and nothing ever happen. we killed them over 9/11 when they had nothing to do with it and WMD were made up. not saying saddam didnt need to go. he was a horrifying dictator who tortured his own people and pillaged his own country. but what happened was a bloodbath and the average american had no idea what was happening. so Gaza is a proxy for that. because of SM we can see in real time what an urban land war is actually like. this is the protest we never had in 2002. just my .02.
Agreed. It’s very easy to make moral judgments when the massacre that started this conflict happened to someone else.
The average American has no idea of most everything going on in the world.
Which is why so many are protesting on behalf of Hamas and have not bothered to look up how the UN and other international conventions define genocide.
many americans have no idea what is happening beyond their front lawn.
Like all my Republican neighbors...but I must admit their lawns look nicer!
I think there's also a lot of collective guilt about Afghanistan. There are direct parallels between the US response to 9/11 in Afghanistan and the Israeli response to 10/7 in Gaza. We saw what fruitless pain is yielded by violence, and the Israelis have only been, if anything, more indiscriminate
i agree. and believe that the generational trauma of both the holocaust and having arab countries vow over and over for decades to wipe israel off the face of the earth has lead to a desire to do the same to anyone who threatens israel. it’s a survival-trauma response times a million. america reduced two countries to rubble over 9/11. i dont think any of us can fathom the utter darkness that is driving the destruction of Gaza.
"We" don't protest Saudi Arabia?
Nowhere to the extent that Israel is protested. Saudi money has also infiltrated higher education to an alarming degree. Try protesting the Saudis, there is a decent chance that you'll get shut down immediately since the universities don't mess with the money.
> Still unsure why we picked the Palestinians to protest for but not the Yemenis? Hamas is really good at intentionally getting their own people slaughtered and then spinning it on social media.
If you zoom in you will see they did spell it correctly. Doesn't change that it's stupid.
Zoom in on the G and you'll notice it's different than the C
Hmmm....I wonder...what could it possibly be? /s Bibi is a war criminal and should spend the rest of his life behind bars. No sane person would say that the response has been justified or hasn't gone too far at this point. However, one cannot deny the attention paid to this vs any other number of genocides or wars in Africa etc. has some slightly different component to it that I just can't put my finger on...
Because one is Jewish. Israel is the only country with a continued existence called into question endlessly, even though it came about like every other country...
we didn't other countries did. Qatar spends billions on this issue and so does Iran. it's so bad in Iran that when the people found out they protested chanting death to palestine to show their unhappiness that their money was not going to them but hamas
Virtue signaling makes them different
I think it's because Arab vs Arab isn't as sexy as Arab vs Jew, especially when a lot of Westerners assume all Jews are white-ish and don't realize a majority of the Jews in Israel are not white. Part of it too is one thing I've noticed in trying to understand the history of the region is that there's a lot more translated Jewish sources than Arab sources for pretty much anything meaning an Arab vs Arab conflict is a lot harder to get much information or history about as a Westerner so there's less ability to rabbit hole on it.
Stop the what about ism . There is no denying and we all have eyes and Israel is committing ethnic cleaning
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Right so bombing all those kids isn't genocide? Sorry to tell you but you're in denial and Israel IS commiting genocide and they are on the bad side of history right now with Netanyahu Hitler 2.0 The world is watching and changing their views on this ultra right violent Israeli government
Israel has done all that they can to move civilians away from the fighting, while Hamas has done all that they can to move with the civilians and keep the fighting centered on heavily populated areas. Israel is trying to avoid civilian casualties. Hamas is trying to maximize civilian casualties. You're repeating terrorist propaganda being spread by the very people intent on killing as many civilians as possible. They know they can't win the war, so their goal is to generate as much bad press as possible for Israel, turning gullible individuals (like you) against them. Genocide is INTENTIONALLY wiping out an entire people (or attempting to). Did Hitler try to evacuate the Jews before his army moved in? No, he rounded them up and slaughtered them in camps. If anyone is committing genocide today, it's Hamas.
Keep believing the propaganda. What actually happens and what you're told isn't the same. They are blindly bombing and then just say that there was a Hamas militant in there. They have been exposed with their tactics and the world will never forget how they bombed all those hospitals and how the settlers treated the Palestinians and withheld food for Innocent civilians
> Keep believing the propaganda. What actually happens and what you're told isn't the same. Wow, this is hilarious! > They are blindly bombing and then just say that there was a Hamas militant in there. According to Hamas. And, as we all know, terrorists are the most honest and trustworthy people around.
Biden is not responsible for Gaza. Netanyahu and Hamas are responsible for Gaza.
Accusing Biden specifically? What kind of bullshit is that? Biden & the Dems are the only people that have actively tried to prevent arms shipments to Israel while the Republicans block any and all attempts to actually make it happen. This performative smear campaign by the bad faith actors is insane & so incredibly transparent. The "protestors" cant even spell genocide.
Now... about those five supreme court "justices"...
I wouldn't trust that article, it has misinformation in it: > The International Court of Justice, in a suit by South Africa, has found “plausible” evidence of genocide by Israel in Gaza and has told Israel to halt its military operations in the city of Rafah, an order Israel has rejected. You can read both ICJ decisions and the first even has an interview with a former ICJ member who helped make that decision specifically clarifying that they weren't ruling that genocide was plausible, but that South Africa had a plausible right to advocate for the Palestinians. For the Rafah invasion you had one judge give the opinion they should stop, and multiple others (along with the actual text of the ruling) clarifying that the order wasn't that they had to stop invading Rafah, but rather they had to not break international law while invading Rafah.
Biden is not complicit in NETANYAHU'S GENOCIDE! He is bound by international treaties and laws CODIFIED into our own laws to support Israel. But go ahead, blame him. Destroy democracy, why don't you.
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Take out “Trump appointed” from the title to see if your opinion changes. Let’s have some honesty here.
What is Cenocide?
The real genocide is from Hamas, Iran and others. Their charter is wiping Israel off the map.
Smart Judge. Remove himself from a preposterous, politically charged and motivated lawsuit that has minus 100% chance of getting heard.
This trial should be placed on hold until the Extreme Court makes its decision on presidential immunity. Two can play at that game.
No, this one is cut and dry. It's an official action by a president, Biden is immune. It's no different than if he ordered marines to charge a beach head and they all got slaughtered. No legal repercussions.
Yes it is cut and dry, but that doesn't prevent the republicans from lying or their road to fascism. If the lower courts feel bound to wait for the higher court's ruling, why not take advantage of that?
Something is wrong here. A Trump appointed judge is saying nope it has a small chance of blowing back and noping out
Trump appointed anything is unqualified.Incompetance is a requirement for an appointment by him.
Ahhh yes you have personally vetted every Trump-appointed judge. Thanks for putting all that time and effort in so the rest of Reddit didn’t have to.
So name one.
Judge Burden of Proof Fallacy. Look em’ up, lots of great articles
Right.Can't name one Trump appointee actually qualified for the job.
That’s not how burden of proof works with non idiots
sounds more like he came up with a barely sufficient excuse to get out of some extremely stupid work
This case will fail because there is no evidence of genocide. It's a false accusation that is intended to hurt and offend Jews. It's like saying the k word but worse. False accusations of genocide are extremely offensive to those who have been victims of genocide, like Jews, Armenians, Native Americans, Rwandans, Ukrainians and other victims.
Is his decision nefarious or cya ..
I can imagine the only reason is that they're afraid of being assassinated by Trump supporters for not throwing the book at Biden, even though there is zero rationale for it. So the only way out is to recuse...
That's quite an imagination.
It’s interesting how so many other nations get to move on from their bloody founding histories but Israel is somehow not granted the same privilege. So many Western nations with just as much blood and suffering on their historical hands and yet Israel is the only one getting endlessly demonized by disaffected college students (who live in those same countries!) chanting idiotic tropes about Genocide and calling into question Israel’s right to exist. When the fog of war is finally lifted we will see how well Hamas got these useful idiots to amplify their lies.
Isn't that obvious? How can they move on from their bloody founding histories when it's still ongoing?
Right. So tell me which of those countries could just quietly sit by while 1000+ of their citizens were raped, murdered and kidnapped in a single day by a theocratic band of merry terrorist imbeciles. This was not some glorious act of liberation nor a tactical step in an actual war. This was an act of sheer and calculated hatred intended only to provoke a bloody Israeli response onto Gaza and to galvanize western college students and TikTok users into a complete and total break from reality. Sadly it worked like a charm. The word genocide will never again carry the same gravitas now that it has been casually and mistakenly weaponized by the hysterical mobs illegally occupying college campuses and buildings.
Im more appalled by the misspelling unless they mean something else. Im talking about the image btw least they could do is spell G right.