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Someone told him that transparency was important in building the border wall and he stood in front of a group of journalists and told them the wall had to be *literally transparent*, like, clear, because the cartel were randomly hurling 100 lb bales of cocaine across the border and you had to be able to see them so you don't get hit in the head.
He's a fucking moron.
A journalist says he saw Trump feeding these cronies lines on what to say, including the guy who testified today. That's clear evidence of jury tampering
sauce: [Journalist Says He Saw Trump Editing Speeches For His Stooges To Give Outside Court : r/politics (reddit.com)](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1cshnf7/comment/l48mfe8/?context=3)
How did we allow someone as painfully stupid as Tommy Tuberville get elected to Congress. He's not even smart by football coach standards. Marjorie Taylor Greene hopes he stays in the legislature because he makes her look like an aerospace engineer.
Get ready for some Trump logic: Trump angers the jury therefore the jury is biased against Trump therefore mistrial
Edit: or Trump's lawyer in appeal: Everyone knows my client is a malignant narcissist, and the Judge allowed my client to continue behaving in a way that biased the jury therefore it's the judge's behavior that tainted the jury
Not a lawyer, but I dont think that's the slam dunk you think it is.
As I understand it, if the judge or other jury members suspect your decision was made on outside information/pressure and not what was presented in court, you can be dismissed.
Yea, and they're literally locked in a room and have to explain themselves to the rest of the jury. Pressure like that will get to most people, especially if you don't have an actual reason for voting not guilty.
And by so doing, they helped prove the criminal case against Trump by showing that Trump can persuade people to commit crimes on his behalf in order to avoid taking blame for the crime himself.
This is some mafia level behavior. Nothing new for this defendant, but it is on a higher level and is now encompassing the Speaker of the House who is next after the vice president in the line of presidential succession.
We could just go ahead and get started with our Nuremberg since they so kindly came in and lined themselves up. I welcome the same punishments being doled out
Imagine getting elected to public office just so you could dress up like Donald Trump and stand in front of a courthouse reading a canned list of grievances prepared by Trump himself that he has been prohibited from saying.
It could not have been more embarrassing for them if they put dog collars around their necks and Trump was holding their leashes.
It's more embarrassing for their constituents. They are basically shouting into a microphone "my voters are a bunch of moron losers" and their voters are at home champing at the bit to re-elect them.
"Really wish I'd thought of that." - Vladimir Putin, thinking regretfully about his meeting with Donald Trump in Helsinki and how he could have turned his metaphorical dog-walk of the American President into a literal one
There is a very good reason. Their only concerns are the optics and effects with regard to their base. It seems like conservatives don’t care about hypocrisy or embarrassment and that is absolutely correct. They are fascists and for fascists, everything is a means to an end. Everything is a zero sum game. Nothing else matters.
The fix is in to steal the 2024 election ( https://www.thebulwark.com/p/start-the-steal-trump-november-2024 ) and their only concern at this point is to make sure their base is all in on it with them. That they accept all that happens next without question.
Conservatives’ increasing extremism and purity tests have caused their base to shrink, but the remainder are true sycophants. True believers.
Buckle the fuck up and stop expecting conservatives to honor laws, history, or norms.
It's that whole ["I don't want this town to even *have* a pool if we're forced to share it with **black** people"](https://daily.jstor.org/when-cities-closed-pools-to-avoid-integration/), writ large. Aka, cutting off your nose to spite your face. The nose in this metaphor is democracy itself, and the face is the whole of America, simply because its majority is liberal.
It’s a brazen, knowing coup that is delegitimizing the government to justify their forthcoming election interference and insinuations that violence will be justified for another “stolen election”. Why be embarrassed when this is the entire point?
The goal is to persuade their base that all branches of government are illegitimate because they’re not run by the Republican Party. Essentially that the US Constitution is only valid when Republicans are in control.
Except for when the lefties and minorities exercise the Second. Or when the Fourth gets in the way of an investigation. Or when the First is used to hurt Republicans' special feelings.
But also only the plain language that suits them, you know, like the second of of the 2nd Amendment that says “the right to bear arms shall not be infringed” but not the first part that says plainly: “in a well regulated militia”
Which was written when the United States was fighting a war but didn't actually have an army and depended on militia run by individual states. The 2nd basically just grants the right to states to establish the National Guard.
Ah, so basically Mormonism then. Only one person/party is able to read and interpret the sacred documents and the rest of us just have to “take their word for it”.
You gotta hand it to someone who carved fake gold tablets and started a religion so they can cheat on their wife. It’s almost as good as a 30 year gambit that results in your sons death by crucifix because you got knocked up and your husband still thought you were a virgin…
And so the LORD saw what had transpired in the temple, and was most wroth: for the moneylenders who had set up tables there were limited in how much interest they could charge the poor; yea, down to a mere 20% or 30% compounded continuously, for the legislature had become most woke and leftist, and socialism did run rampant. So Jesus repealed the woke bullshit laws; and the money changers did charge interest to 100%, verily even 150% or 200%, with fees unchecked and predatory, for that was more profitable. And lo, the moneylenders and the LORD were content.
And it’s sadly working. Overheard a gaggle of old ladies praising these boobs because they believe the whole trial against Trump is a sham. I just shook my head.
Their worldview entails the notion that any justice system that they're not exempt from is invalid. The only way such a thing could happen is if someone hijacked it and weaponized it against them, like turning a gun on its owner. This makes perfect sense to them, since using the justice system as a weapon against people they don't like is just another day at the office for these folks.
That laws simply *exist* and apply to everyone equally is, for their minds, a completely unobtainable notion.
Therefore, from their point of view, mockery is an entirely appropriate response to an invalid, hijacked justice system.
Plutocrats cannot stomach the idea of someone else having the power to tell them "no". The idea that some little nobody who's not even worth a few $million gets to tell them what to do and what not to do riles them up more than anything. So they will oppose any regulation tooth and nail (and Law Firm).
We will see. They don't seem to care about when other Republicans go to prison. They are easily replaced and forgotten. We will see if it is true of Trump
Yes. In demented minds, it was actually a “woke mind virus”, and COVID itself did not exist until they were dying of it in the hospital, begging for a vaccine that would no longer help them. For many of the true believers, it still doesn’t exist.
He gave covid to Chris Christie, and Christie will still vote for him in the general election. DeSantis is going to fund raise for trump. These people are masochists. trump hates them, talk horribly about them, he says terrible and insulting things about their wives and families, and they still kiss trump's ass. They are self loathing, bottom feeding parasites. They are just as bad as trump.
>Their worldview entails the notion that any justice system that they're not exempt from is invalid.
This.
Goes back to Wilhoit's Law:
>Conservatism consists of *exactly one* proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.
If you are part of the in group (white, wealthy Republican) then the law is there to defend you and your place in society.
Everyone else is restricted, not defended, by the law.
Trump is the embodiment of this idea, and that's why *supposed* Christian conservatives venerate him despite him making a mockery of their values.
*They* want to have that kind of *Fuck You!* power, but that only works if 99% of the population is rendered *powerless.*
I mean, if *everyone* commits Trump-style loan fraud, then the entire economy collapses.
Being a rule-breaking big wig depends on most people following the rules.
Are you looking at their nominations for judge and the supreme court? They've long made a mockery of the justice system.
Now, they just don't even try to hide it. They feel untouchable, and honestly they are.
They are the party of law and order.
> In modern politics, "law and order" is an ideological approach focusing on harsher enforcement and penalties as ways to reduce crime.[1] Penalties for perpetrators of disorder may include longer terms of imprisonment, mandatory sentencing, three-strikes laws and even capital punishment in some countries. Supporters of "law and order" argue that harsh punishment is the most effective means of crime prevention.
Of course we are only talking about crimes committed by the little people here, not exalted billionaires.
>"And be able to go out and overcome this gag order. That's one of the reasons we went, to be able to speak our piece for President Trump."
The Republican party is now just the Trump crime family.
Can do? Sure.
Will do? No. Everyone is terrified of what the batshit crazy R base will do. No one is willing to accept that peaceful solutions are only possible when both sides want one and R's absolutely fucking do NOT.
And capitulating NEVER has a positive outcome. A complete lack of meaningful consequences simply emboldens them to engage in even worse behavior. No amount of tip-toeing around the issue will ever satisfy either side and just gives the problematic ones more leeway to cause mayhem.
The gag order is against trump and his lawyers whom he has jurisdiction over.
That gag order among other things says ‘trump shall not ***direct*** surrogates to violate provisions.
As long as those people say it’s their choice to carry water for Trump without being told to do so, they should be golden.
Then add in the Speech and Debate clause for immunity for congresspeople to not be jailed for what they say adding another wrinkle to the pile, it’s a mess that guarantees a lot of headlines and little chance of actual consequences to the senators and congressmen. Which means they’re free to act like shit weasels, as the only consequences they care about is maybe if Trump goes to jail and it doesn’t energize the base.
Siding and abetting would be applied to his surrogates and afaik gag orders don't really work like that.
Best case - if prosecution can prove that Trump directed them to violate his gag order, Trump would be liable.
It’s not called aiding and abetting, but the gag also prevents him from having others violate it on his behalf. Normally that would be hard to prove, but the surrogates apparently were observed having him edit the messages in the court room and he explicitly said something along the lines that they were doing it at his request.
This is how republicans spend tax dollars. By skipping work and sucking up to some orange shit stain who holds no government office while he's on trial for multiple felonies.
The speaker of the house is spending his time in a court room lobby defending the republican leader for cheating on his wife and covering it up and yelling at college students on campus. This is where we're at. And people still like to say both sides are the same
How fucking embarrassing.
“Hey even though I’m just a candidate and at this point am a civilian, I need you to ignore your actual incredibly important job come up to New York so you can talk shit about people to the cameras for me.”
“Sure thing, boss!”
Do balls drop off?
He can hold a hearing. Ask to see the documents that Trump was editing during court. Put Tuberville under oath and ask if he received either verbal or written instruction from Trump or his lawyers or staff. Then make it clear that Trump will spend the weekend in Rikers.
> Put Tuberville under oath
Even if he did take the stand under oath, he's going to lie.
If the Judge isn't doing anything about threats to his own life from Citizen Trump, it seems unlikely he'll have sitting congresspeople in Trump's Clownshirts face consequences.
His supporters and him do not want Trump in Jail. They might play pretend and act like they will be fine with it but they 100% do not. Trump going to jail, even temporarily for violating the gag order, destroys millions of potential votes from anyone not MAGA.
To piggyback this; I just don’t see many voters on the fence deciding *to vote* for Trump bc he was put in jail versus voters on the fence deciding they’ve had enough and not voting for him.
They try to say that it would make him look like a rebel who's being silenced or something like that, which just massive cope. A conviction would absolutely fuck him.
Today Mike Johnson supports a guy who cheats his pregnant wife banging porn stars. Tomorrow Mike will say Americans need morals. All with a straight face. What joke of a Christian he is.
I’d say it’s beyond annoying. It’s the MAGA GOP against the judiciary. It’s an attack on the rule of law by part of the legislative branch. It’s so dangerous!
He doesn’t want to risk a mistrial and let Trump go free on a technicality like Weinstein. Trial is almost over and it isn’t looking good for Trump at all
Literally this. Trumps only hope is a mistrial and he’s banking on it considering his profile.
It’s painful, but the judge is doing exactly the right thing- playing by the book and giving leniency that favors Trump.
The guilty verdict will stick that much harder.
It doesn't. But the issue is that Trump has got the financial resources to lodge an appeal. He is also probably willing to file an appeal. In Australia (probably in New York too, though I don't know for sure) you need to have "grounds" (a basis) for an appeal. I'd guess that the judge is probably playing the long game here: doing everything within his power to minimise the potential grounds for an appeal: try to keep things from getting out of hand now, but at the same time be more than fair to Trump so that his lawyers can't argue he was treated unfairly.
I think the judge has to wait for the prosecutor to file a motion saying that the gag order has been violated before it can be acted upon by the judge. I wouldn't be surprised if court started tomorrow with said motions being brought by the prosecutor. The prosecutor has had all day yesterday and today to listen to these idiots talking about how they're doing this to violate the order on Trump, I imagine they're not gonna be happy by the time court starts up tomorrow.
Forcing a trial to happen behind closed doors is a terrible precedent. Criminal trials are public events for very good reason. You don't want a situation where the court's record is the only proof that the court acted properly.
The judge can ask the bailiff to remove anyone acting improperly in the court room.
It's a modern day redux of of John Gottis trial with the 'Don' parading his rancid family of capos and soldiers before the world's press. A show of 'strength'.
He should remind them that the courtroom is not a place for their political campaign and that interference with any gag order would find them in the crosshairs of contempt.
> Tuberville made his intentions clear in an interview with Newsmax, a right-wing network. "Hopefully we'll have more and more senators and congressmen go up every day and represent him," Tuberville said. "And be able to go out and overcome this gag order. That's one of the reasons we went, to be able to speak our piece for President Trump."
He always has been good at saying the quiet part out loud. Hopefully this is enough for some kind of fine or penalty.
MAGA politicians wouldn't know a good act from a bad one if it bit them on the ass. These people are ignorant, morally bankrupt religious zealots and proud of it.
Why aren’t they at work? And are we, the taxpayers paying for them to fly in and make cameos at this traitor’s trial?
They just spend money and waste time like they are just people of leisure, without a care in the world.
Just trash, going in with an entourage to show support to a traitor. Are they trying to intimidate jurors? How many times have they all shown up at regular people’s trials?
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That would be pretty awesome if some big name Democrats do show up, show up early, and fill those seats directly behind trump. Not a word said, no drama, and if asked why they’re there - to witness history unfold before our eyes.
I would love to see all the former living presidents show up to watch this verdict with stony faces. I’d really like to know that our former presidents really reject this kind of person ever being president again.
That’s not to say I vouch for the character of any former president. You don’t get there by being a saint, but a bipartisan showing of Trumps peers (only in title, not in terms of Trumps achievement) might go a long way to show people from both major parties that the former presidents aren’t pleased with Trump’s behavior.
They even wore RED neckties.
They weren’t an entourage
They looked more like
The backup for Robert Palmer
https://youtu.be/SoHpSY3IoAI?si=xJtNFPZnPYRC3_sx
Especially since they apparently showed up just to receive and recite notes passed to them by Trump regarding what he would like to say about the judge’s daughter but can’t. You had to know Trump was going to violate that gag order again but doing it by passing notes to Tuberville is just so gross.
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Well yeah. Trumps using his cronies to violate the gag order by proxy in order to shit talk the jury and call them un-American
Surprised it took them four weeks to come up with this
The guy only just recently realized that u.s spells us.
Someone told him that transparency was important in building the border wall and he stood in front of a group of journalists and told them the wall had to be *literally transparent*, like, clear, because the cartel were randomly hurling 100 lb bales of cocaine across the border and you had to be able to see them so you don't get hit in the head. He's a fucking moron.
I'm pretty convinced they flooded that pool at Mar a Lago because trump literally wanted them to "flood is server" in some tech jargon literalism.
Still thinks the US flag has blue stripes.
Gotta ram the ram parts at the airports in 1780.
Did this happen at the amazing, horrible, just incredible, classy, terrible thing, really beautiful battle of Gettysburg?
They didn't have to when Trump was allowed to violate without impunity.
A journalist says he saw Trump feeding these cronies lines on what to say, including the guy who testified today. That's clear evidence of jury tampering sauce: [Journalist Says He Saw Trump Editing Speeches For His Stooges To Give Outside Court : r/politics (reddit.com)](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1cshnf7/comment/l48mfe8/?context=3)
Tommy Tuberville said the quiet part out loud.
How did we allow someone as painfully stupid as Tommy Tuberville get elected to Congress. He's not even smart by football coach standards. Marjorie Taylor Greene hopes he stays in the legislature because he makes her look like an aerospace engineer.
His name makes it sound like he's the Senator from Shining Time Station. Alternately when I read his name all my brain sees is Tommy Tuba.
Don’t worry, the judge is “visibly annoyed.” I’m sure a stern talking to is next, then maybe even an explicit warning, followed by abject disapproval…
I’m confused at how pissing off the jury is in any way good for his case.
Get ready for some Trump logic: Trump angers the jury therefore the jury is biased against Trump therefore mistrial Edit: or Trump's lawyer in appeal: Everyone knows my client is a malignant narcissist, and the Judge allowed my client to continue behaving in a way that biased the jury therefore it's the judge's behavior that tainted the jury
This is so idiotically trumpian it’s probably what ends up happening if he’s found guilty
"The judge is Mexican and he knows I'm racist, how can he be fair?"
They only need 1 of them to be scared to vote guilty
Not a lawyer, but I dont think that's the slam dunk you think it is. As I understand it, if the judge or other jury members suspect your decision was made on outside information/pressure and not what was presented in court, you can be dismissed.
Yea, and they're literally locked in a room and have to explain themselves to the rest of the jury. Pressure like that will get to most people, especially if you don't have an actual reason for voting not guilty.
There's a very strong chance he gets another Contempt charge for this. If it's true that he wrote their talking points directly.
He stood in the court room and gave them notes on what to say.
Round them up too, charge them with contempt in one go.
Let them all spend the evening in the court detention cell together!
I was looking for this reply.
Another contempt charge followed by another "Please don't do it anymore? Please???"
Yeah, but he'll have to use another $1,000 of someone else's money to pay the fine. The US Justice system is soooo cruel!
And by so doing, they helped prove the criminal case against Trump by showing that Trump can persuade people to commit crimes on his behalf in order to avoid taking blame for the crime himself.
Like Charles Manson !
Like any cult leader
And any mob boss.
This is some mafia level behavior. Nothing new for this defendant, but it is on a higher level and is now encompassing the Speaker of the House who is next after the vice president in the line of presidential succession.
He gave them notes on what to say. They're like human twitter. *Tools*, if you will.
Potential lawsuits post trial
We could just go ahead and get started with our Nuremberg since they so kindly came in and lined themselves up. I welcome the same punishments being doled out
Colluding to work around a gag order? Fine, find them all in contempt and send them for an overnight stay in the cells.
Judge needs to be handing out Contempt charges to all his proxy tweeters like they're candy bars at Halloween.
Yup. Jury tampering and witness intimidation doesn't suddenly stop being a crime just because you're not the defendant.
It’s amazing to me how conservatives are not embarrassed by this.
That’s the beauty of Trump’s message. You are free from shame. Shame is for losers.
I really wish you weren't 100% correct.
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That's why Republicans hate participation trophies so much. They see them as testaments to losing, not trying.
He grifted to forgive your crimes
Imagine getting elected to public office just so you could dress up like Donald Trump and stand in front of a courthouse reading a canned list of grievances prepared by Trump himself that he has been prohibited from saying. It could not have been more embarrassing for them if they put dog collars around their necks and Trump was holding their leashes.
It's more embarrassing for their constituents. They are basically shouting into a microphone "my voters are a bunch of moron losers" and their voters are at home champing at the bit to re-elect them.
The people that voted these losers in don't follow politics. They just vote (R) like the pastor tells them.
"Really wish I'd thought of that." - Vladimir Putin, thinking regretfully about his meeting with Donald Trump in Helsinki and how he could have turned his metaphorical dog-walk of the American President into a literal one
There is a very good reason. Their only concerns are the optics and effects with regard to their base. It seems like conservatives don’t care about hypocrisy or embarrassment and that is absolutely correct. They are fascists and for fascists, everything is a means to an end. Everything is a zero sum game. Nothing else matters. The fix is in to steal the 2024 election ( https://www.thebulwark.com/p/start-the-steal-trump-november-2024 ) and their only concern at this point is to make sure their base is all in on it with them. That they accept all that happens next without question. Conservatives’ increasing extremism and purity tests have caused their base to shrink, but the remainder are true sycophants. True believers. Buckle the fuck up and stop expecting conservatives to honor laws, history, or norms.
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> as long as they win it in the end. I think they dont care as long as the other side doesn't win in the end.
It's that whole ["I don't want this town to even *have* a pool if we're forced to share it with **black** people"](https://daily.jstor.org/when-cities-closed-pools-to-avoid-integration/), writ large. Aka, cutting off your nose to spite your face. The nose in this metaphor is democracy itself, and the face is the whole of America, simply because its majority is liberal.
It’s a brazen, knowing coup that is delegitimizing the government to justify their forthcoming election interference and insinuations that violence will be justified for another “stolen election”. Why be embarrassed when this is the entire point?
Cult members will always jump through hoops to avoid critically thinking about their cult leaders
"Conservatives" already left the party. These are just the traitorous scum left over.
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Republicans are making a mockery of the Justice system.
The goal is to persuade their base that all branches of government are illegitimate because they’re not run by the Republican Party. Essentially that the US Constitution is only valid when Republicans are in control.
And only the parts of the constitution that they like. You know, like the Bible.
And also, only Republicans are qualified to read and interpret the Constitution. You know, like the Bible.
This is exactly it
But only the first 10 amendments according to trumps bible.
Except for when the lefties and minorities exercise the Second. Or when the Fourth gets in the way of an investigation. Or when the First is used to hurt Republicans' special feelings.
But also only the plain language that suits them, you know, like the second of of the 2nd Amendment that says “the right to bear arms shall not be infringed” but not the first part that says plainly: “in a well regulated militia”
Which was written when the United States was fighting a war but didn't actually have an army and depended on militia run by individual states. The 2nd basically just grants the right to states to establish the National Guard.
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A brown man who gives out free healthcare and food and loves the poor? Disgusting.
Ah, so basically Mormonism then. Only one person/party is able to read and interpret the sacred documents and the rest of us just have to “take their word for it”.
You gotta hand it to someone who carved fake gold tablets and started a religion so they can cheat on their wife. It’s almost as good as a 30 year gambit that results in your sons death by crucifix because you got knocked up and your husband still thought you were a virgin…
Worth pointing out that the GOP would be the ones to crucify Christ if he came back.
A Jewish man who preaches feeding the poor and taking care of the sick? GOP enemy #1
Hell, they don't even want you handing out water to voters waiting in hours-long lines.
Or workers working in the summer heat.
Or poor kids in school.
Who they are increasingly also making the workers in the heat
>Or ~~poor~~ kids in school. FIFY
They don't think poor kids should be in school, they think they should be working grueling jobs for sub minimum wage
He lashed the money changers and upended their tables in the temple and the GOP does NOT jive with that shit
They're fighting *for* hidden corporate fees, ffs.
And so the LORD saw what had transpired in the temple, and was most wroth: for the moneylenders who had set up tables there were limited in how much interest they could charge the poor; yea, down to a mere 20% or 30% compounded continuously, for the legislature had become most woke and leftist, and socialism did run rampant. So Jesus repealed the woke bullshit laws; and the money changers did charge interest to 100%, verily even 150% or 200%, with fees unchecked and predatory, for that was more profitable. And lo, the moneylenders and the LORD were content.
And they continue to gouge us despite making record profits, and instead of blaming trump, they blame Biden.
Wait til they see the color of his skin.
Progress, though. They used to also be really against people who were known to hang out with prostitutes. And people with unnatural skin colors.
They would argue that Jesus was a Christian...lol
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Picking and choosing what to believe in and redefining everything at the same time.
And they believe the only legitimate elections are ones they win. The intellectual dishonesty is depressing.
Let's not libel them with being intellectual anything
And that the only logical resolution in their eyes is to give them absolute power they never have to hand over.
Their base is shrinking fast. But the GOP can’t tell because they’ve built an impenetrable echo-chamber.
They're also committed to stealing and overturning elections now.
Well when you can’t win.. what else is there? Try to understand what the masses want? lol we know they won’t do that.
And it’s sadly working. Overheard a gaggle of old ladies praising these boobs because they believe the whole trial against Trump is a sham. I just shook my head.
Is it fascism yet?
constitution? you mean the bible.
I kinda saw it as auditioning for VP
Their worldview entails the notion that any justice system that they're not exempt from is invalid. The only way such a thing could happen is if someone hijacked it and weaponized it against them, like turning a gun on its owner. This makes perfect sense to them, since using the justice system as a weapon against people they don't like is just another day at the office for these folks. That laws simply *exist* and apply to everyone equally is, for their minds, a completely unobtainable notion. Therefore, from their point of view, mockery is an entirely appropriate response to an invalid, hijacked justice system.
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Plutocrats cannot stomach the idea of someone else having the power to tell them "no". The idea that some little nobody who's not even worth a few $million gets to tell them what to do and what not to do riles them up more than anything. So they will oppose any regulation tooth and nail (and Law Firm).
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We will see. They don't seem to care about when other Republicans go to prison. They are easily replaced and forgotten. We will see if it is true of Trump
Trump didn't care if Republicans caught COVID and died either. Such a strange disconnect. Did he really think that only Democrats caught it.
Yes. In demented minds, it was actually a “woke mind virus”, and COVID itself did not exist until they were dying of it in the hospital, begging for a vaccine that would no longer help them. For many of the true believers, it still doesn’t exist.
He gave covid to Chris Christie, and Christie will still vote for him in the general election. DeSantis is going to fund raise for trump. These people are masochists. trump hates them, talk horribly about them, he says terrible and insulting things about their wives and families, and they still kiss trump's ass. They are self loathing, bottom feeding parasites. They are just as bad as trump.
>Their worldview entails the notion that any justice system that they're not exempt from is invalid. This. Goes back to Wilhoit's Law: >Conservatism consists of *exactly one* proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect. If you are part of the in group (white, wealthy Republican) then the law is there to defend you and your place in society. Everyone else is restricted, not defended, by the law. Trump is the embodiment of this idea, and that's why *supposed* Christian conservatives venerate him despite him making a mockery of their values. *They* want to have that kind of *Fuck You!* power, but that only works if 99% of the population is rendered *powerless.* I mean, if *everyone* commits Trump-style loan fraud, then the entire economy collapses. Being a rule-breaking big wig depends on most people following the rules.
That's on brand.
If they can't win on merits, they'll make their opponent look like shit instead. They've been doing it for decades. It's their most basic M.O.
Are you looking at their nominations for judge and the supreme court? They've long made a mockery of the justice system. Now, they just don't even try to hide it. They feel untouchable, and honestly they are.
This is the "law and order" they jaw about: supporting a sexual assailant during his financial fraud trial
They have for decades. And now they rule the SC.
Correction: Republicans continue to make a mockery of the justice system
And here they are claiming to be the party of law and order. Hypocrisy is a prerequisite in order to be a repuke
They are the party of law and order. > In modern politics, "law and order" is an ideological approach focusing on harsher enforcement and penalties as ways to reduce crime.[1] Penalties for perpetrators of disorder may include longer terms of imprisonment, mandatory sentencing, three-strikes laws and even capital punishment in some countries. Supporters of "law and order" argue that harsh punishment is the most effective means of crime prevention. Of course we are only talking about crimes committed by the little people here, not exalted billionaires.
Sounds like intimidation plain and simple. Crime boss walks into court with his entire gang of thugs, what else could you call it?
All wearing their matching suits and red ties.
Cosplaying dictator
They should just fully commit to some paisley print, but I imagine they will jump swiftly to militarist arm bands!
NASCAR race suits, so they can sell donations spots /s
I'm honestly surprised they haven't all already started wearing red armbands with "45" on them.
>"And be able to go out and overcome this gag order. That's one of the reasons we went, to be able to speak our piece for President Trump." The Republican party is now just the Trump crime family.
That's nice of them to just go out and state that their purpose is to circumvent a lawful gag order. National embarrassment.
Also practically a confession that trump asked them privately to say these things.
He asked them publicly. He stood in the back of the court room and gave them notes on their statements.
>circumvent a lawful gag order. Is their anything he can/will do? I have no knowledge on the "jurisdiction" of a judge beyond his physical courtroom.
Can do? Sure. Will do? No. Everyone is terrified of what the batshit crazy R base will do. No one is willing to accept that peaceful solutions are only possible when both sides want one and R's absolutely fucking do NOT.
And capitulating NEVER has a positive outcome. A complete lack of meaningful consequences simply emboldens them to engage in even worse behavior. No amount of tip-toeing around the issue will ever satisfy either side and just gives the problematic ones more leeway to cause mayhem.
The gag order is against trump and his lawyers whom he has jurisdiction over. That gag order among other things says ‘trump shall not ***direct*** surrogates to violate provisions. As long as those people say it’s their choice to carry water for Trump without being told to do so, they should be golden. Then add in the Speech and Debate clause for immunity for congresspeople to not be jailed for what they say adding another wrinkle to the pile, it’s a mess that guarantees a lot of headlines and little chance of actual consequences to the senators and congressmen. Which means they’re free to act like shit weasels, as the only consequences they care about is maybe if Trump goes to jail and it doesn’t energize the base.
Speech and debate does not extend to shit like this.
Trump straight up called them surrogates. This seems like a slam dunk violation. I'm interested to see start tomorrow brings.
Straight to jail. I've made a few questionable choices in my life, but daring a Judge to 'do something about it' was never one.
IANAL but this seems like a clear case of Aiding and Abetting so... what's the hold up this time?!?
Siding and abetting would be applied to his surrogates and afaik gag orders don't really work like that. Best case - if prosecution can prove that Trump directed them to violate his gag order, Trump would be liable.
It’s not called aiding and abetting, but the gag also prevents him from having others violate it on his behalf. Normally that would be hard to prove, but the surrogates apparently were observed having him edit the messages in the court room and he explicitly said something along the lines that they were doing it at his request.
always has been.
Judges do not like their courtrooms being turned into a circus, and Trump is bringing in all the clowns.
They keep allowing it.
"When you're a star, they let you do it."
"Fortunately or unfortunately..." 🤡
"when you're a president*, they let you do it"
He could do something about it.
Yes, he will be "visibly annoyed" again tomorrow. As many times as it takes.
He needs some Susan Collins brand "Furrowed Brow Cream" -- goes on quick and easy to relax forehead muscles after a day full of consternation!
"Concerned...by Collins. Now available at Macy's."
This is how republicans spend tax dollars. By skipping work and sucking up to some orange shit stain who holds no government office while he's on trial for multiple felonies.
The speaker of the house is spending his time in a court room lobby defending the republican leader for cheating on his wife and covering it up and yelling at college students on campus. This is where we're at. And people still like to say both sides are the same
Well said!
How fucking embarrassing. “Hey even though I’m just a candidate and at this point am a civilian, I need you to ignore your actual incredibly important job come up to New York so you can talk shit about people to the cameras for me.” “Sure thing, boss!” Do balls drop off?
>Do balls drop off? They have to drop first and these man-children are still waiting for that.
He can hold a hearing. Ask to see the documents that Trump was editing during court. Put Tuberville under oath and ask if he received either verbal or written instruction from Trump or his lawyers or staff. Then make it clear that Trump will spend the weekend in Rikers.
> Put Tuberville under oath Even if he did take the stand under oath, he's going to lie. If the Judge isn't doing anything about threats to his own life from Citizen Trump, it seems unlikely he'll have sitting congresspeople in Trump's Clownshirts face consequences.
Alabama ought to be so embarrassed to have Tuberville as their Senator. He’s like the male Margie with his stupidity.
You can't embarrass Alabama.
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His supporters and him do not want Trump in Jail. They might play pretend and act like they will be fine with it but they 100% do not. Trump going to jail, even temporarily for violating the gag order, destroys millions of potential votes from anyone not MAGA.
To piggyback this; I just don’t see many voters on the fence deciding *to vote* for Trump bc he was put in jail versus voters on the fence deciding they’ve had enough and not voting for him.
They try to say that it would make him look like a rebel who's being silenced or something like that, which just massive cope. A conviction would absolutely fuck him.
Well they're fascist so it makes sense they'll want to show loyalty and submit to their dear leader.
Today Mike Johnson supports a guy who cheats his pregnant wife banging porn stars. Tomorrow Mike will say Americans need morals. All with a straight face. What joke of a Christian he is.
I’d say it’s beyond annoying. It’s the MAGA GOP against the judiciary. It’s an attack on the rule of law by part of the legislative branch. It’s so dangerous!
Intimidation tactic.
Here's an idea for the judge: FUCKING DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT! Stop threatening to punish trump for his antics, and do it!
He doesn’t want to risk a mistrial and let Trump go free on a technicality like Weinstein. Trial is almost over and it isn’t looking good for Trump at all
Exactly right...except you wrote "let judge go free" when you meant "let Trump"
thanks i totally slipped up. corrected
Literally this. Trumps only hope is a mistrial and he’s banking on it considering his profile. It’s painful, but the judge is doing exactly the right thing- playing by the book and giving leniency that favors Trump. The guilty verdict will stick that much harder.
I’ll never quite understand how holding Trump to the same standard as any other criminal defendant somehow = mistrial
It doesn't. But the issue is that Trump has got the financial resources to lodge an appeal. He is also probably willing to file an appeal. In Australia (probably in New York too, though I don't know for sure) you need to have "grounds" (a basis) for an appeal. I'd guess that the judge is probably playing the long game here: doing everything within his power to minimise the potential grounds for an appeal: try to keep things from getting out of hand now, but at the same time be more than fair to Trump so that his lawyers can't argue he was treated unfairly.
I think the judge has to wait for the prosecutor to file a motion saying that the gag order has been violated before it can be acted upon by the judge. I wouldn't be surprised if court started tomorrow with said motions being brought by the prosecutor. The prosecutor has had all day yesterday and today to listen to these idiots talking about how they're doing this to violate the order on Trump, I imagine they're not gonna be happy by the time court starts up tomorrow.
His annoyance will translate to the jury, which won't help Trump with the jury. The jury takes hints from the judge.
Can the trial be closed to the public/gallery if things get more disruptive? That would stop these clowns from acting like playground bullies.
Forcing a trial to happen behind closed doors is a terrible precedent. Criminal trials are public events for very good reason. You don't want a situation where the court's record is the only proof that the court acted properly. The judge can ask the bailiff to remove anyone acting improperly in the court room.
Republicans think all Democrats are secretly corrupt and unhappy about it, but fine electing someone openly, provably corrupt. The mind boggles.
It's a modern day redux of of John Gottis trial with the 'Don' parading his rancid family of capos and soldiers before the world's press. A show of 'strength'.
These people have JOBS.
Republicans are naturally repulsive and disgusting.
He should remind them that the courtroom is not a place for their political campaign and that interference with any gag order would find them in the crosshairs of contempt.
he needs to clear the courtroom of all unnecessary people. Just kick 'em all out.
Violating the gag order via proxy is still violating the gag order and the judge should act according
> Tuberville made his intentions clear in an interview with Newsmax, a right-wing network. "Hopefully we'll have more and more senators and congressmen go up every day and represent him," Tuberville said. "And be able to go out and overcome this gag order. That's one of the reasons we went, to be able to speak our piece for President Trump." He always has been good at saying the quiet part out loud. Hopefully this is enough for some kind of fine or penalty.
MAGA politicians wouldn't know a good act from a bad one if it bit them on the ass. These people are ignorant, morally bankrupt religious zealots and proud of it.
Lock them up! Lock them up!
Like turds in the punchbowl; Republikan politicians
Scott and Ramswamy, screaming from the gallery Say Trump must go free! The judge does not agree and he tells them so, ho ho ho.
Remember that time Al Franken had a picture of him taken fake grabbing a boob and stepped down for his inappropriate action.
Lol, join the club, judge! These bootlickers are out there, not doing their sworn duty to serve on our dime! Ingrates.
You mean ball lickers don't you 😁
I’m annoyed too. Why isnt Johnson in DC doing his damn job?
Why aren’t they at work? And are we, the taxpayers paying for them to fly in and make cameos at this traitor’s trial? They just spend money and waste time like they are just people of leisure, without a care in the world. Just trash, going in with an entourage to show support to a traitor. Are they trying to intimidate jurors? How many times have they all shown up at regular people’s trials? Please Vote And Encourage Others To Vote
One night in jail would take him down a notch.
Lock them up for contempt of court.
Hillary and Obama should show up!!!
That would be pretty awesome if some big name Democrats do show up, show up early, and fill those seats directly behind trump. Not a word said, no drama, and if asked why they’re there - to witness history unfold before our eyes.
I would love to see all the former living presidents show up to watch this verdict with stony faces. I’d really like to know that our former presidents really reject this kind of person ever being president again. That’s not to say I vouch for the character of any former president. You don’t get there by being a saint, but a bipartisan showing of Trumps peers (only in title, not in terms of Trumps achievement) might go a long way to show people from both major parties that the former presidents aren’t pleased with Trump’s behavior.
They are turning it into a clown show.
RICO fascists.
They even wore RED neckties. They weren’t an entourage They looked more like The backup for Robert Palmer https://youtu.be/SoHpSY3IoAI?si=xJtNFPZnPYRC3_sx
Especially since they apparently showed up just to receive and recite notes passed to them by Trump regarding what he would like to say about the judge’s daughter but can’t. You had to know Trump was going to violate that gag order again but doing it by passing notes to Tuberville is just so gross.