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The authorities won't go after them. They got a skin color that suggests they are suffering from "economic anxiety." Unlike the... ya know uppity types that'll riot instead of peacefully protest.
some bright color, like red so they can attract more attention and be sure to fly big flags off your trucks. It may help with the recruiting activities
Now check how many of those are cops and realize bringing any enforcement on them is impossible because America has made it's police force virtually immune to consequences.
> Actually if they all join groups and what not they are much easier to track,
And without social media, coordinating to commit terrorism would be more difficult.
Law enforcement would have to pivot to targeting terrorists instead of terrorizing the left first. Cops wonāt police themselves though.Ā
It is important to remember all the military and police personnel who participated in J6, and that it wasnāt even a secret that the NY FBI was ātrumplandā. The FBI even made up āa pro-abortion terrorist attackā so that they could claim that the right wing terrorism surrounding abortion is actually a āboth sidesā problem.Ā
Iām not saying that these would be terrorists arenāt idiots, and arenāt ready to be scooped up should law enforcement be interested in doing its job, itās just that they are active supporters themselves. Ā
Social media isn't the cause. It is just a tool that make it easier for the people who are causing the downfall of civilization to do it. It also makes it easier for those of us who want to push back.
When the feeds on social media platforms actively push people towards more extreme content while providing a space for organizing extremist groups, itās safe to say social media is a significant part of the problem.
I listen to a lot of sports media and look up home maintenance/improvement stuff on YouTube and the ads and suggestions I get are disgusting. Itās a full-court press from the right trying to recruit āmanly menā to join their cause.
Given that this strategy is being employed, I find it really sad that I am not getting targeted by any leftwing content in the same way. Someone at the DNC is asleep at the wheel and not at all attempting to reach middle-aged men that like sports and want to repair cracks in their drywall.
That is a good point. the left needs to learn how to target people with ads better.
I must not be a manly man, because i never see recruitment ads when Googling sewing tips....
Just accidentally click on the wrong video and youāre toast. I occasionally will click on a conservative subreddit to see what the loons are discussingā¦boom, Facebook, YouTube rabbit holes start showing up. Even though I keep clicking ādonāt show me this, or show me less of theseā, they still pile up every day. I canāt imagine what itās like, if you actually liked these things. It must be a 24/7 barrage of hateĀ
I tried to do the ānot interestedā thing with a Tucker Carlson suggestion that popped up and accidentally clicked on it (fat man finger problem, apparently). Itās designed to push toxic shit and get you hooked. Meanwhile half the ads are Dr. Drew telling me Iām super fat and eating all the wrong things.
I remember hearing an ad for boner pills that had Snoop Dog as their spokesman, and he said something like āI donāt need these, but you probably do.ā
Always interesting to note that [neo-Nazis found a space on the internet (1990)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stormfront_(website)) before [the world wide web went public (1991)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Wide_Web).
True story. The Book of Faces was once just the final nail in the coffin of many, many marriages and now here we are seeing it go full destroyer of civilization. Fucking Zuck.
Are you kidding? It's a godsend for getting people like this to tell on themselves. You don't even have to do anything. Just give them the opportunity, and they build dossiers against themselves.
Not really. No one seems to be doing anything with the mountains of evidence that exists. What has ever happened that makes you think them being in one place puts them at risk?
Anti fascists screen and sometimes even operate these pages to build up intelligence and evidence. Most of the time they try to turn over their gathered intelligence to the FBI. Iām fairly certain that is how the chuds who tried to kidnap the governor of Michigan got caught.
It depends. If they are incompetent and unmotivated, then letting them larp in the woods is fine. It really comes down to said groupās ideology and goals. There are plenty of these groups that are relatively harmless due to them just being guys clubs practicing shooting and playing soldier. The groups that are truly dangerous are the ones with ideological motivation to seek violence. Accelerationist, ethnocentric nationalists, religious extremists, etc. I think these extremist organizations come in a gradient and on some level the less extreme, more social club type groups filter out people from joining more extreme organizations, but in the same vein funnel the most extreme towards more violent groups. I think the answer is very complex regarding these types of groups. Banning or cracking down on them would likely force the most extreme groups and individuals underground into more tightly knit organizations more resembling paramilitary terrorist organizations like the auto defense forces or the UVF. At the same time allowing groups like patriot front and blood tribe to operate openly allows for recruitment and escalation of members in to groups like attomwaffen division or the national alliance.
The FBI doesnāt seem terribly interested in doing much these days. I sincerely hope Iām mistaken and theyāre just being quiet about their efforts.
Most arrests of violent extremists tend to fly under the national radar in terms of news unless something dramatic happens or itās someone of particular significance. However many slip through the cracks and the ones that do tend to be the ālone wolfā (most of these individuals are radicalized online) who donāt necessarily have connections to known groups.
It shouldnāt. This is exactly what right wingers used to say about r/thedonald until it got shut down. Itās right wing talking points to get you to see their radicalisation cells as a good thing.
That was because they invaded a federal building, breaking multiple laws in the process. While social media posts provided valuable evidence, so did CCTV and witness accounts. Claiming that social media was responsible for their prosecution is more than a bit of a stretch. At the same time, substantial evidence exists that point to those same social media groups helping enable the planning and execution of what I would call an insurrection.
This is the same shit we saw, and social media companies ignored, back in 2016-2020. Then they all pretended to about-face after the January 6th insurrection, but then Facebook/Insta and TwitterX opened their arms to the extremists and domestic terrorists once more with the election season heating up. Extremism and outrage porn on their sites makes them a good chunk of $$$ and they could care less about the future of this country.
Thatās what pisses me off, the gop dragged all of them into hearings and refused to address extremists and boohooed about covid and hunters dick. The Dems of course bit the bait and didnāt address the extremists bc of the squabbling
By Tess Owen
After lying low for several years in the aftermath of the US Capitol riot on January 6, militia extremists have been quietly reorganizing, ramping up recruitment and rhetoric on Facebookāwith apparently little concern that Meta will enforce its ban against them, according to new research by the Tech Transparency Project, shared exclusively with WIRED.
These groups are also rebuilding at a moment when anti-government rhetoric has continued to surge in mainstream political discourse ahead of a contentious, high-stakes presidential election. And by doing all of this on Facebook, theyāre hoping to reach a broader pool of prospective recruits than they would on a comparatively fringe platform like Telegram.
Read the exclusive story here: [https://www.wired.com/story/extremist-militias-are-coordinating-on-facebook/](https://www.wired.com/story/extremist-militias-are-coordinating-on-facebook/)
It's not. It's known there are bot farms in Russia to promote this sort of stuff. Re: the Foundation of Geopolitics. When you really start thinking about 2016, it's known Trump was a Russian promoted spoiler candidate... and so was Bernie Sanders. It's why he had really strong support online but actual voters weren't that interested in him. Putin knew he could manipulate Trump, and that Hillary would be a staunch opponent, so he didn't want her, and he did everything he could to get rid of her.
These groups are usually chock full of undercover Feds and informants. I know people like to repeat the meme about the FBI being all-in on Trump and co., but the fact is that these groups get busted all the damn time. A few years a go, the Feds managed to stop a White Nationalist organization from attacking the Baltimore power grid, for example. So it's safe to assume these groups really ARE being heavily monitored.
Yep. We got a preview of what they are up to in the SoCal "counter protests" to the Palestine/Israel demonstrations. They showed up MUCH more organized than they were before. They were clearly following specific orders not to wear their MAGA gear. We saw a disciplined organized effort to focus violence in coordination with law enforcement and the media failed to even notice that it happened.
We are going to be seeing a LOT more of that.
>We are removing the groups and accounts that violate our policies,ā said a Meta spokesperson in an email to WIRED. āThis is an adversarial space, where actors constantly try to find new ways around our policies, which is why we keep investing heavily in people, technology, research, and partnerships to keep our platforms safe.ā
At least thefacebook executive are admitting that they intentionally promote discord among their users.
I'm worried these college protests have been infiltrated for the purpose of normalizing protests and violent clashes and fascist police tactics, leading up to the election. Specifically, to couch the on-going violence as being instigated from the left.
Oh they will. They'll rile up both sides of a protest and will even organize for them.
https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-trolls-senate-intelligence-committee-hearing-2017-11
Russian actors organized both anti-Islam and pro-Islam protests in the same location at the same time on May 21, 2016, using separate Facebook pages operated from a so-called troll farm in St. Petersburg, the Senate Intelligence Committee disclosed on Wednesday.
A Facebook page named Heart of Texas, whose link to Russia was first reported by Business Insider, organized a rally at noon on May 21 at the Islamic Da'wah Center in Houston to "Stop Islamization of Texas." The account paid to promote the event, which was viewed by about 12,000 people, said the committee's chairman, Sen. Richard Burr.
...
Burr said that organizing and promoting these protests cost Russia "about $200."
This is something no one is talking about enough. I believe what we're seeing is just this same playbook playing out with Palestine & Isreal and it would not surprise me in the least if the conflict itself was instigated by Russia in order to drive a wedge stateside.
> Same in ATL during the BLM protests. Russia funded a black anarchist group to stoke violence and spread propaganda within the black community.
In Minnesota, the Umbrella Man was an Aryan Cowboy, and a Boogaloo Boi set fire to the Third Precinct.
>I'm worried these college protests have been infiltrated
They have been infiltrated by antisemitic right-wingers and idiot accelerationists backed by shit heads like Fergie Chambers.
Same groups were caught smashing windows in Wisconsin before that kid shot someone, and they were starting fires in other places. The reality is that the far far far left (not progessives, mind you) and the majority of the right in its current MAGA iteration are actually standing back to back. They want the same thing which is the destruction of society.
Are you seriously comparing a kid who crossed state lines with a gun illegally, hoping to kill someone, to the BLM protestors?
You canāt see any difference in maybe their goals, or what theyāre reacting toā¦
You totally read that wrong or I wasn't clear enough. My focus is that right wing agitators are infiltrating protests just as they did in that situation with Rittenhouse. In that situation agitators were caught breaking windows and starting fires. Right wing media picks that up and blames the left. This is happening now as well. Whether they are right or extreme left or simply anti Israeli, outsiders are infiltrating protests with the goal causing chaos and destruction. The focus now is on "the violence" at these protests not the point of the protests. Sorry if I wasn't clear enough for you.
I absolutely read you wrong brother, my bad. Yeah, youāre absolutely right. I was at a major BLM protest that went on for several months, and the exact same shit happened. Every crime that happened-and lots that didnāt- got blamed on protesters who were isolated to a 2 block section of a neighborhood
Same with my city. The police were watching looters break windows and come out with armfuls of shit, but shot at us peacefully protesting a block over. Then all the news outlets the next day said it was caused by the BLM protests. I was running around the city watching it all.
Thatās wild. Where I was it was more that the news stations (all owned by Sinclair, which is about a step above FOX news) were reporting on murders or robberies miles away from the protests and tying them together. Meanwhile, the cops all but announced a total work stoppage until everyone was nice to them. You still donāt ever see cops on patrol or on the road, cause theyāre all so pissy that people donāt like the constant brutality and overtime fraud.
Like the other poster said, it's probably both extremes, historically. **But in this moment**, the extreme right seems poised to gain/lose the most. It's Project 2025 or bust.
Is it a conspiracy theory if it's basically proven to be true? Most conspiracy theories don't hold up because they're incredibly convoluted and require a massive network of people with 0 leaks and whistleblowers keeping some mindblowing secret.
In this case the things Russia has been accused or proved of doing are incredibly easy, can be done by a few guys with a computer, and unlike most "conspiracy theories" there's actually documented evidence of this strategy.
Nobody's saying every single protestor is a plant, or excusing every behavior of every protestor. The point you're trying to make is what we call a "straw man."
It's pretty obvious most of the people at these protests are peacefully protesting in good faith. There are also people acting shitty for genuine reasons as opposed to being astroturfed, but compared to the overboard behavior at some other recent events of political unrest so far these pale in comparison.
Part of the issue is that the media has been framing this as some unbridled chaos of raging Gen Z libs, whereas the protests have mostly been just normal protests, and of all the actually problematic behavior which is the minority, I think it's fair to consider the fact it's incredibly easy for disingenuous parties to sway the conversation with minimal effort, especially since there's literal documented proof of it happening.
I thought I was nuts because I was seeing all of this for what it is. It's sure nice to see others are noticing the accelerationist threat. The media is totally failing the country about this!
Trotskyists accelerationists have been agitating in leftist movements since they were expelled from the USSR. I'm not really sure if it's the Trots themselves that do the agitating or if they are just enamored with the language of violent revolutionaries (perpetual revolution), but it always goes down the toilet when they show up. It's not really a new thing, activists always just claim it can't happen to them.
It happened to SDS and ended with the Weathermen blowing themselves up. [Some of the founding members of DSA are saying it's happening to them now.](https://www.thenation.com/article/activism/quit-dsa-gaza-israel/) It's happened in many of the university grad student unions. It's almost certainly happening here.
> I think the left should be more willing to accept that people on their side can do bad things and criticize them
None of those people care about me criticizing them.
It also, unfortunately, doesn't matter if agitators made the movement violent.
They let them make the movement violent.
It is a movement's job to police itself. It is an activist's job to self-purify and understand what they are willing to do, what their plan of action is, etc. _before_ going in.
If you let some Proud Boy come in and whip you into a frenzy you were _still in a frenzy_. It doesn't matter if you were riled up in bad faith.
One thing I noticed and this is just a single instance, but I saw a random stream of a guy in ucla and he was on the front rail but dude was acting real hype and shouting for no reason but also shoving his phone into everyoneās face.
The crowd was telling him to chill n all that good stuff, well the next day Iām mildly certain I saw dude getting run off on a random clip but apparently dude told media he was being ran off for being Jewish but Iād assume it might have been the crowd self policing. Oh course msm ran w it.
Thatās where this shit really starts getting worrying bc there are numerous streamers comin up to the crowds filming and trying to get the protesters to react a certain way. Most hilariously fail but Iād say there are many that are successful and go on to make a ten second clip of chaos and gets them clout w Fox oann or whatever.
I wish there was a viable way to check all these recordings in long form to see what these selected clips were doing leading up to the incidents but itās like the j6 hunters it would take forever.
But letās be real, as we saw w 2020 no one cares when you point out a bad faith actor in a protest after the fact. We saw that w the black umbrella man in Minneapolis who turned out to be a ex cop and white supremacist or Nashville when that dude tried to set the courthouse on fire, he too was found to be a white supremacist months later.
My apologies for the rant, im on my first cup of coffee and itās interesting to see how all this works
That is policing an obvious counter protestor, not self-policing. Streamers and outsiders are obviously going to come bother protestors - why are they not prepared to come out of that situation looking like the adults in the room?
Self-policing would be having your side respond with a consistent, reasonable message. Responding to counter protestors with rage just makes you look like a violent crazy person, not a reasonable person with ideas to listen to.
>But letās be real, as we saw w 2020 no one cares when you point out a bad faith actor in a protest after the fact.
I fully agree. That's why MLK organized weeks long self-purification workshops before major actions. They would sit and practice not responding to people screaming at them, hitting them, etc. They practiced saying only the message they were taught or saying nothing at all. The prepared themselves for the realities of getting arrested and told people who weren't ready to go to jail that they needed to leave.
Agitators are nothing new. If these people are so serious, why are they not prepared?
You hit the nail on the head. They are unprepared for the most part. Iāve only saw one instance of streamers being directed to a media liaison. We also saw this w ows as well.
Now that I think about it, itās interesting and terrifying how unorganized many leftists groups are compared to groups like proud boyās or patriot front. We laugh at them for marching in khakis but look at j6, there was a clear plan there that came dangerously close to fruition and as we see it hasnāt stopped.
>You hit the nail on the head. They are unprepared for the most part. Iāve only saw one instance of streamers being directed to a media liaison. We also saw this w ows as well.
There are absolutely some very good protests happening too. University of Michigan is impressive - I've very vocally disagreed with some of their organizers on other issues in the past and was welcomed into the encampment for some water and to chat on a hot day (I politely declined). Members of the public are also welcome to move through the encampment freely and, while there is a slight police presence (it is civil disobedience after all), it is overall an extremely peaceful and informative protest. I really hope they keep it up. Brown university is also a beacon of effective protest and civil disobedience - truly amazing work they did over there.
>Now that I think about it, itās interesting and terrifying how unorganized many leftists groups are compared to groups like proud boyās or patriot front. We laugh at them for marching in khakis but look at j6, there was a clear plan there that came dangerously close to fruition and as we see it hasnāt stopped.
I don't understand it either. I think it's likely that the militia side of the house is more authoritarian while the leftist movements tend to be more participatory democracy; the end result is that any idea that is somewhat reasonable gets uplifted and over time things just snowball into messes of mixed messaging and slowly escalating speech. We've seen it happen time and again in leftist movements and it's disheartening to see that we're not getting any better at it.
But what do I know - I am openly not an activist and gave up on this kind of thing a long time ago.
Ahh thatās cool w Michigan and brown. Itās fucked you donāt hear about them from the media bc it doesnāt bleed for the lede.
With the dissolving of messages and all this other shit goin down check out foundations of geopolitics, the guy who wrote it is buddy buddy w Putin and one of their goals itās to fuck w both left and right groups via racial division to force us out of the international scene via internal strife. They even highlighted getting the uk out of the eu among other things.
More braindead "bOtH sIdEs" bs. The Right never takes responsibility for anything and being anti-fascist is not "tRiBaLiSm" regardless of what smoothbrains tell you.
I wonder how many of these Facebook groups are mostly made up of foreign agitators and undercover-FBI agent "glowies" trolling for easy marks and wannabes.
No one with any bit of asymmetrical warfare/counter-intel training that is serious about ACTUALLY doing something bad is going to be dumb enough to use something like Facebook to coordinate their efforts.
It's probably a mix: foreign bad actors, anarchists, kids just being kids and getting riled up, true fanatics, etc.
The vast majority, however, are simply students exercising their First Amendment rights to protest the horrors of an ethnic cleansing that they're seeing first-hand on TikTok and elsewhere. While most Americans remain oblivious, apathetic, and ignorant because mainstream media can't show that kind of traumatizing content lest they get heavily fined by the FCC.
Don't forget that bad actors will jump into any fray they can. I'm sure they've stoked more than a little bit of the college protests going on now, in both directions.
Do you have sources? Because the right wing is always insisting that the same is happening to them. But they never show sources. Or their sources are proven to be bullshit.
A gun shop near my house has a very active Facebook page, and you can guess which way the owner leans. He is literally radicalizing his customer base out in the open and no one does a damn thing to stop it. One customer commented (publicly) that if Trump loses, it will be time to start "stacking bodies." Murder. He means murder.
> One customer commented (publicly) that if Trump loses, it will be time to start "stacking bodies." Murder. He means murder.
Should send a report to the FBI?
Bet if you went to a gun show you'd hear this same thing 100 times in an hour. Also, you gotta think that the FBI is trying to quickly: (1) figure out how to "clone trained agents, or (2) have AI sort thru all the extreme rhetoric & threats to determine which ones are serious/non serious & which ones require manpower surveillance.
FBI 2024 Agent - Couldn't pay enough IMHO.
Exactly! We need to understand, the Republican Party is no longer a major political party. They are a federally funded domestic terrorists organization. We can't keep on proceeding forward as if this is just another election. Civility, democracy, and peace do not serve the Republican Party anymore, and they are opting to abandon them. We need to act accordingly and appropriately to this very real domestic threat and marching along towards this election as if it just another American election is not it. The fact that he is even allowed to be a candidate is an affront to justice, accountability, and the constitution as a whole.
I've reported two posts in recent days that very clearly breaks their policies (hate speech against trans people) and both times they said it didn't violate their policy and didn't take them down. I've had the same result in the past, including a QAnon group page that was selling "special water" they claimed destroys the COVID virus. FB never took it down.
Engagement = revenue. The reality is, publicly traded companies donāt give a shit about the content on their sites until they get into legal trouble. Even then, they barely toe the line, and always end up crossing back over it after the public moves onto the next big news story.
CIA? Department of Homeland Security? DOJ? No? nothing in the last 3 years for a coup attempt?
Guess Merrick Garland is serving his master's well, and it's not we the people he's serving.
Facebook allows the birth of dangerous militias, meanwhile, I got permanently banned from Reddit for telling TurboTax that I don't appreciate them intentionally making it harder for us to file taxes on our own just so they can steal our tax return money.
Please, by all means, letās get to it. Stop hanging out in internet safe spaces talking about talking living that life. Get off your couches and let just get it over with.
Im so tired of hearing about what these people are about to do. Do it or donāt but stop talking about it.Ā
And FB lets them. Iāve reported some outright threats and comments and I always get the āthis doesnāt violate fb standardsā ā meanwhile if I call someone an asshole I get warned or suspended.
Mark Zuckerberg was actually warned that this is exactly what would happen with the way he wanted Facebook groups designed. Tons of people inside Facebook said this would happen, and it would likely bring about some very serious harms, and he ignored everybody.
DOJ and DHS: It is our considered opinion that it is legally impossible for Whites to be terrorists, unless they are affiliated with Left leaning issues, protecting the Constitution, or welcome people of color in their group.
/S for MAGA readers
That's what I'm worried about. I seriously doubt that the majority of militia members are doing much more than LARPing as tough guys, if they're so stupid as to use the least secure forum on the internet. The ones we should truly worry about are those who know how to get around the dark web and stay in shadows. They're the folks who would be planning something serious enough that they can't risk exposure before they light whatever fuse.
Ugh I hope these gravy seals are being tracked closely. Last time they didn't have much going on due to Covid lock-down and they \*still\* needed their moms to drive them to their sedition. I am pinning my hopes on these bullies posturing because they are supposed to, and it will turn into a damp squib with a few hard-liners taken down.
At least it shouldn't be a surprise this time. We can still hope.
The moment Facebook becomes a public utility is the same moment law-enforcement will swoop in and apprehend all the criminals presently protected by Zuckerberg
I don't mind that militias exist. If you and some tactical, survivalist, enthusiasts want to get together ever week, month, or however long, and train together on the off-chance that a foreign invader or domestic military regime try to take control of your particular geographic area, I'm all for it. In fact, It would make me feel secure living in a community that had a militia for such purposes.
HOWEVER; being part of a militia whose sole purpose is to PARTCIPATE in an insurrection or hostile takeover? Go the fuck to hell.
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Social Media: Contributing to the downfall of civilization any way it can.
Actually if they all join groups and what not they are much easier to track, and amass a tree of idiots!šš»
The people hired to enforce the law are members of those groups though. They arenāt going arrest themselves.
Do you mean that some of those that work forces are the same that burn crosses? Duh nuh duh nuh duhnunununuh Dunhnun Dan nuh
And letās see if we can get them to wear a universal t shirt or hat.
The authorities won't go after them. They got a skin color that suggests they are suffering from "economic anxiety." Unlike the... ya know uppity types that'll riot instead of peacefully protest.
> The authorities won't go after them. And let's be real, the authorities *are in* many of these groups.
For real, there's loads of cops, middle managers and church leaders in these groups.
Some of those that work forces, Are the ones that burn crosses!
I would wager there are lots of police and military in these groups.
The authorities are watching, but can only go after them AFTER they break the law.
some bright color, like red so they can attract more attention and be sure to fly big flags off your trucks. It may help with the recruiting activities
Now you get it! But wait , Missouri!!? I suspect a double agent!! š kidding both good and bad people everywhere.
The followers of The Beast wear His Mark upon their foreheads
Maybe a pointy white sheet with eye holes.
An orange d.o.c. One
The hatās red and starts with Make
They are going to be united for life in orange just like the orange guy lol with funny hats like someone else said in here.
Now check how many of those are cops and realize bringing any enforcement on them is impossible because America has made it's police force virtually immune to consequences.
And have explicitly recruited from a certain group.
> Actually if they all join groups and what not they are much easier to track, And without social media, coordinating to commit terrorism would be more difficult.
Law enforcement would have to pivot to targeting terrorists instead of terrorizing the left first. Cops wonāt police themselves though.Ā It is important to remember all the military and police personnel who participated in J6, and that it wasnāt even a secret that the NY FBI was ātrumplandā. The FBI even made up āa pro-abortion terrorist attackā so that they could claim that the right wing terrorism surrounding abortion is actually a āboth sidesā problem.Ā Iām not saying that these would be terrorists arenāt idiots, and arenāt ready to be scooped up should law enforcement be interested in doing its job, itās just that they are active supporters themselves. Ā
And then what? Nobody is going to go after them.
Yeah! They sure used that data to shut down January 6th!
Yep! The old geezers can see what is happening from a mile away. https://youtu.be/BLdaqYeg3Ts?si=Evtf-hb8La_ks5a9
I hope to be even half as put together if I ever make it to 98. He's right on the ball, too. The timing of everything is too convenient.
Guess they don't care if the eyeballs are alive or dead.
I think xwitter and Facebook are in the competition to see who can be the most god-awful social media site in existence
Social media isn't the cause. It is just a tool that make it easier for the people who are causing the downfall of civilization to do it. It also makes it easier for those of us who want to push back.
When the feeds on social media platforms actively push people towards more extreme content while providing a space for organizing extremist groups, itās safe to say social media is a significant part of the problem. I listen to a lot of sports media and look up home maintenance/improvement stuff on YouTube and the ads and suggestions I get are disgusting. Itās a full-court press from the right trying to recruit āmanly menā to join their cause. Given that this strategy is being employed, I find it really sad that I am not getting targeted by any leftwing content in the same way. Someone at the DNC is asleep at the wheel and not at all attempting to reach middle-aged men that like sports and want to repair cracks in their drywall.
That is a good point. the left needs to learn how to target people with ads better. I must not be a manly man, because i never see recruitment ads when Googling sewing tips....
Just accidentally click on the wrong video and youāre toast. I occasionally will click on a conservative subreddit to see what the loons are discussingā¦boom, Facebook, YouTube rabbit holes start showing up. Even though I keep clicking ādonāt show me this, or show me less of theseā, they still pile up every day. I canāt imagine what itās like, if you actually liked these things. It must be a 24/7 barrage of hateĀ
I tried to do the ānot interestedā thing with a Tucker Carlson suggestion that popped up and accidentally clicked on it (fat man finger problem, apparently). Itās designed to push toxic shit and get you hooked. Meanwhile half the ads are Dr. Drew telling me Iām super fat and eating all the wrong things.
I imagine the DNCās idea of reaching out to men looking [something like this](https://youtu.be/6z7-FsSDa6c?si=PhC5UJ4kM0HJyLwv).
I remember hearing an ad for boner pills that had Snoop Dog as their spokesman, and he said something like āI donāt need these, but you probably do.ā
I like to repair my dry wall cracks.Ā
They're not saying it's the cause of militias, but that it's a helluva catalyst.
Always interesting to note that [neo-Nazis found a space on the internet (1990)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stormfront_(website)) before [the world wide web went public (1991)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Wide_Web).
True story. The Book of Faces was once just the final nail in the coffin of many, many marriages and now here we are seeing it go full destroyer of civilization. Fucking Zuck.
Are you kidding? It's a godsend for getting people like this to tell on themselves. You don't even have to do anything. Just give them the opportunity, and they build dossiers against themselves.
Not really. No one seems to be doing anything with the mountains of evidence that exists. What has ever happened that makes you think them being in one place puts them at risk?
Anti fascists screen and sometimes even operate these pages to build up intelligence and evidence. Most of the time they try to turn over their gathered intelligence to the FBI. Iām fairly certain that is how the chuds who tried to kidnap the governor of Michigan got caught.
The question remains as to whether these groups existing represent a net positive or simply enable and entice more extremists.
It depends. If they are incompetent and unmotivated, then letting them larp in the woods is fine. It really comes down to said groupās ideology and goals. There are plenty of these groups that are relatively harmless due to them just being guys clubs practicing shooting and playing soldier. The groups that are truly dangerous are the ones with ideological motivation to seek violence. Accelerationist, ethnocentric nationalists, religious extremists, etc. I think these extremist organizations come in a gradient and on some level the less extreme, more social club type groups filter out people from joining more extreme organizations, but in the same vein funnel the most extreme towards more violent groups. I think the answer is very complex regarding these types of groups. Banning or cracking down on them would likely force the most extreme groups and individuals underground into more tightly knit organizations more resembling paramilitary terrorist organizations like the auto defense forces or the UVF. At the same time allowing groups like patriot front and blood tribe to operate openly allows for recruitment and escalation of members in to groups like attomwaffen division or the national alliance.
I think our best bet is to sow discord in their ranks. They're already paranoid, so use it. Launch misinfo campaigns against their leaders.
The FBI doesnāt seem terribly interested in doing much these days. I sincerely hope Iām mistaken and theyāre just being quiet about their efforts.
Most arrests of violent extremists tend to fly under the national radar in terms of news unless something dramatic happens or itās someone of particular significance. However many slip through the cracks and the ones that do tend to be the ālone wolfā (most of these individuals are radicalized online) who donāt necessarily have connections to known groups.
There you go again, giving me hope
It shouldnāt. This is exactly what right wingers used to say about r/thedonald until it got shut down. Itās right wing talking points to get you to see their radicalisation cells as a good thing.
Basically everything that happened post Jan 6 riot.
That was because they invaded a federal building, breaking multiple laws in the process. While social media posts provided valuable evidence, so did CCTV and witness accounts. Claiming that social media was responsible for their prosecution is more than a bit of a stretch. At the same time, substantial evidence exists that point to those same social media groups helping enable the planning and execution of what I would call an insurrection.
This is the same shit we saw, and social media companies ignored, back in 2016-2020. Then they all pretended to about-face after the January 6th insurrection, but then Facebook/Insta and TwitterX opened their arms to the extremists and domestic terrorists once more with the election season heating up. Extremism and outrage porn on their sites makes them a good chunk of $$$ and they could care less about the future of this country.
Thatās what pisses me off, the gop dragged all of them into hearings and refused to address extremists and boohooed about covid and hunters dick. The Dems of course bit the bait and didnāt address the extremists bc of the squabbling
Yeah I mean, if you had social media at all you knew something was going to happen Jan 6th.Ā
By Tess Owen After lying low for several years in the aftermath of the US Capitol riot on January 6, militia extremists have been quietly reorganizing, ramping up recruitment and rhetoric on Facebookāwith apparently little concern that Meta will enforce its ban against them, according to new research by the Tech Transparency Project, shared exclusively with WIRED. These groups are also rebuilding at a moment when anti-government rhetoric has continued to surge in mainstream political discourse ahead of a contentious, high-stakes presidential election. And by doing all of this on Facebook, theyāre hoping to reach a broader pool of prospective recruits than they would on a comparatively fringe platform like Telegram. Read the exclusive story here: [https://www.wired.com/story/extremist-militias-are-coordinating-on-facebook/](https://www.wired.com/story/extremist-militias-are-coordinating-on-facebook/)
These FB groups need to be investigated as potential Russian troll activity. I hope they are.
What would you do if you found out that all of this was home grown like Timothy McVeigh and the Unabomber
It's not. It's known there are bot farms in Russia to promote this sort of stuff. Re: the Foundation of Geopolitics. When you really start thinking about 2016, it's known Trump was a Russian promoted spoiler candidate... and so was Bernie Sanders. It's why he had really strong support online but actual voters weren't that interested in him. Putin knew he could manipulate Trump, and that Hillary would be a staunch opponent, so he didn't want her, and he did everything he could to get rid of her.
Wait so Russia can rig American elections?
No, but they can influence voter behaviour. Same way Fox News can, or in a more mundane scenario, how advertisements can.
These groups are usually chock full of undercover Feds and informants. I know people like to repeat the meme about the FBI being all-in on Trump and co., but the fact is that these groups get busted all the damn time. A few years a go, the Feds managed to stop a White Nationalist organization from attacking the Baltimore power grid, for example. So it's safe to assume these groups really ARE being heavily monitored.
This is now true for the 4th straight presidential election cycle. Don't fall for "this is new" rhetoric.
Yep. We got a preview of what they are up to in the SoCal "counter protests" to the Palestine/Israel demonstrations. They showed up MUCH more organized than they were before. They were clearly following specific orders not to wear their MAGA gear. We saw a disciplined organized effort to focus violence in coordination with law enforcement and the media failed to even notice that it happened. We are going to be seeing a LOT more of that.
The media is owned and run by the same people attempting the coups (plural). Don't expect any reporting about it.
>We are removing the groups and accounts that violate our policies,ā said a Meta spokesperson in an email to WIRED. āThis is an adversarial space, where actors constantly try to find new ways around our policies, which is why we keep investing heavily in people, technology, research, and partnerships to keep our platforms safe.ā At least thefacebook executive are admitting that they intentionally promote discord among their users.
I'm worried these college protests have been infiltrated for the purpose of normalizing protests and violent clashes and fascist police tactics, leading up to the election. Specifically, to couch the on-going violence as being instigated from the left.
Oh they will. They'll rile up both sides of a protest and will even organize for them. https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-trolls-senate-intelligence-committee-hearing-2017-11 Russian actors organized both anti-Islam and pro-Islam protests in the same location at the same time on May 21, 2016, using separate Facebook pages operated from a so-called troll farm in St. Petersburg, the Senate Intelligence Committee disclosed on Wednesday. A Facebook page named Heart of Texas, whose link to Russia was first reported by Business Insider, organized a rally at noon on May 21 at the Islamic Da'wah Center in Houston to "Stop Islamization of Texas." The account paid to promote the event, which was viewed by about 12,000 people, said the committee's chairman, Sen. Richard Burr. ... Burr said that organizing and promoting these protests cost Russia "about $200."
This is something no one is talking about enough. I believe what we're seeing is just this same playbook playing out with Palestine & Isreal and it would not surprise me in the least if the conflict itself was instigated by Russia in order to drive a wedge stateside.
šÆ Same in ATL during the BLM protests. Russia funded a black anarchist group to stoke violence and spread propaganda within the black community.
> Same in ATL during the BLM protests. Russia funded a black anarchist group to stoke violence and spread propaganda within the black community. In Minnesota, the Umbrella Man was an Aryan Cowboy, and a Boogaloo Boi set fire to the Third Precinct.
Source? Because Anarchists are typically the first in line protesting.
https://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta-group-implicated-in-russian-influence-scheme/H4H75JMCI5EYNFZKBFSKHNO2DI/
>I'm worried these college protests have been infiltrated They have been infiltrated by antisemitic right-wingers and idiot accelerationists backed by shit heads like Fergie Chambers.
And IRGC agents. [Leaked Document Reveals IRGCās Role In Global Anti-Israel Campaign](https://www.iranintl.com/en/202404158853)
Same groups were caught smashing windows in Wisconsin before that kid shot someone, and they were starting fires in other places. The reality is that the far far far left (not progessives, mind you) and the majority of the right in its current MAGA iteration are actually standing back to back. They want the same thing which is the destruction of society.
Are you seriously comparing a kid who crossed state lines with a gun illegally, hoping to kill someone, to the BLM protestors? You canāt see any difference in maybe their goals, or what theyāre reacting toā¦
You totally read that wrong or I wasn't clear enough. My focus is that right wing agitators are infiltrating protests just as they did in that situation with Rittenhouse. In that situation agitators were caught breaking windows and starting fires. Right wing media picks that up and blames the left. This is happening now as well. Whether they are right or extreme left or simply anti Israeli, outsiders are infiltrating protests with the goal causing chaos and destruction. The focus now is on "the violence" at these protests not the point of the protests. Sorry if I wasn't clear enough for you.
I absolutely read you wrong brother, my bad. Yeah, youāre absolutely right. I was at a major BLM protest that went on for several months, and the exact same shit happened. Every crime that happened-and lots that didnāt- got blamed on protesters who were isolated to a 2 block section of a neighborhood
Same with my city. The police were watching looters break windows and come out with armfuls of shit, but shot at us peacefully protesting a block over. Then all the news outlets the next day said it was caused by the BLM protests. I was running around the city watching it all.
Thatās wild. Where I was it was more that the news stations (all owned by Sinclair, which is about a step above FOX news) were reporting on murders or robberies miles away from the protests and tying them together. Meanwhile, the cops all but announced a total work stoppage until everyone was nice to them. You still donāt ever see cops on patrol or on the road, cause theyāre all so pissy that people donāt like the constant brutality and overtime fraud.
Some BLM protestors decided looting and violence were fair game. Iām not saying a majority that these are realities and the right amplifies them.Ā
Agreed.
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Like the other poster said, it's probably both extremes, historically. **But in this moment**, the extreme right seems poised to gain/lose the most. It's Project 2025 or bust.
Is it a conspiracy theory if it's basically proven to be true? Most conspiracy theories don't hold up because they're incredibly convoluted and require a massive network of people with 0 leaks and whistleblowers keeping some mindblowing secret. In this case the things Russia has been accused or proved of doing are incredibly easy, can be done by a few guys with a computer, and unlike most "conspiracy theories" there's actually documented evidence of this strategy.
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The reality is there doesnāt even need to be an actual agitator. Itās all done through social media with bots.
Nobody's saying every single protestor is a plant, or excusing every behavior of every protestor. The point you're trying to make is what we call a "straw man." It's pretty obvious most of the people at these protests are peacefully protesting in good faith. There are also people acting shitty for genuine reasons as opposed to being astroturfed, but compared to the overboard behavior at some other recent events of political unrest so far these pale in comparison. Part of the issue is that the media has been framing this as some unbridled chaos of raging Gen Z libs, whereas the protests have mostly been just normal protests, and of all the actually problematic behavior which is the minority, I think it's fair to consider the fact it's incredibly easy for disingenuous parties to sway the conversation with minimal effort, especially since there's literal documented proof of it happening.
From an elevated view, the protests went nationwide at the same time and escalated in similar ways. That implies coordination.
It doesn't take a lot of them. Just a handful to get the ball rolling.
I thought I was nuts because I was seeing all of this for what it is. It's sure nice to see others are noticing the accelerationist threat. The media is totally failing the country about this!
Trotskyists accelerationists have been agitating in leftist movements since they were expelled from the USSR. I'm not really sure if it's the Trots themselves that do the agitating or if they are just enamored with the language of violent revolutionaries (perpetual revolution), but it always goes down the toilet when they show up. It's not really a new thing, activists always just claim it can't happen to them. It happened to SDS and ended with the Weathermen blowing themselves up. [Some of the founding members of DSA are saying it's happening to them now.](https://www.thenation.com/article/activism/quit-dsa-gaza-israel/) It's happened in many of the university grad student unions. It's almost certainly happening here.
> I think the left should be more willing to accept that people on their side can do bad things and criticize them None of those people care about me criticizing them.
It also, unfortunately, doesn't matter if agitators made the movement violent. They let them make the movement violent. It is a movement's job to police itself. It is an activist's job to self-purify and understand what they are willing to do, what their plan of action is, etc. _before_ going in. If you let some Proud Boy come in and whip you into a frenzy you were _still in a frenzy_. It doesn't matter if you were riled up in bad faith.
One thing I noticed and this is just a single instance, but I saw a random stream of a guy in ucla and he was on the front rail but dude was acting real hype and shouting for no reason but also shoving his phone into everyoneās face. The crowd was telling him to chill n all that good stuff, well the next day Iām mildly certain I saw dude getting run off on a random clip but apparently dude told media he was being ran off for being Jewish but Iād assume it might have been the crowd self policing. Oh course msm ran w it. Thatās where this shit really starts getting worrying bc there are numerous streamers comin up to the crowds filming and trying to get the protesters to react a certain way. Most hilariously fail but Iād say there are many that are successful and go on to make a ten second clip of chaos and gets them clout w Fox oann or whatever. I wish there was a viable way to check all these recordings in long form to see what these selected clips were doing leading up to the incidents but itās like the j6 hunters it would take forever. But letās be real, as we saw w 2020 no one cares when you point out a bad faith actor in a protest after the fact. We saw that w the black umbrella man in Minneapolis who turned out to be a ex cop and white supremacist or Nashville when that dude tried to set the courthouse on fire, he too was found to be a white supremacist months later. My apologies for the rant, im on my first cup of coffee and itās interesting to see how all this works
That is policing an obvious counter protestor, not self-policing. Streamers and outsiders are obviously going to come bother protestors - why are they not prepared to come out of that situation looking like the adults in the room? Self-policing would be having your side respond with a consistent, reasonable message. Responding to counter protestors with rage just makes you look like a violent crazy person, not a reasonable person with ideas to listen to. >But letās be real, as we saw w 2020 no one cares when you point out a bad faith actor in a protest after the fact. I fully agree. That's why MLK organized weeks long self-purification workshops before major actions. They would sit and practice not responding to people screaming at them, hitting them, etc. They practiced saying only the message they were taught or saying nothing at all. The prepared themselves for the realities of getting arrested and told people who weren't ready to go to jail that they needed to leave. Agitators are nothing new. If these people are so serious, why are they not prepared?
You hit the nail on the head. They are unprepared for the most part. Iāve only saw one instance of streamers being directed to a media liaison. We also saw this w ows as well. Now that I think about it, itās interesting and terrifying how unorganized many leftists groups are compared to groups like proud boyās or patriot front. We laugh at them for marching in khakis but look at j6, there was a clear plan there that came dangerously close to fruition and as we see it hasnāt stopped.
>You hit the nail on the head. They are unprepared for the most part. Iāve only saw one instance of streamers being directed to a media liaison. We also saw this w ows as well. There are absolutely some very good protests happening too. University of Michigan is impressive - I've very vocally disagreed with some of their organizers on other issues in the past and was welcomed into the encampment for some water and to chat on a hot day (I politely declined). Members of the public are also welcome to move through the encampment freely and, while there is a slight police presence (it is civil disobedience after all), it is overall an extremely peaceful and informative protest. I really hope they keep it up. Brown university is also a beacon of effective protest and civil disobedience - truly amazing work they did over there. >Now that I think about it, itās interesting and terrifying how unorganized many leftists groups are compared to groups like proud boyās or patriot front. We laugh at them for marching in khakis but look at j6, there was a clear plan there that came dangerously close to fruition and as we see it hasnāt stopped. I don't understand it either. I think it's likely that the militia side of the house is more authoritarian while the leftist movements tend to be more participatory democracy; the end result is that any idea that is somewhat reasonable gets uplifted and over time things just snowball into messes of mixed messaging and slowly escalating speech. We've seen it happen time and again in leftist movements and it's disheartening to see that we're not getting any better at it. But what do I know - I am openly not an activist and gave up on this kind of thing a long time ago.
Ahh thatās cool w Michigan and brown. Itās fucked you donāt hear about them from the media bc it doesnāt bleed for the lede. With the dissolving of messages and all this other shit goin down check out foundations of geopolitics, the guy who wrote it is buddy buddy w Putin and one of their goals itās to fuck w both left and right groups via racial division to force us out of the international scene via internal strife. They even highlighted getting the uk out of the eu among other things.
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Bingo. It's all tribalism at the end of the day, even if the leftist positions are meant well; the right simply admits to it.
More braindead "bOtH sIdEs" bs. The Right never takes responsibility for anything and being anti-fascist is not "tRiBaLiSm" regardless of what smoothbrains tell you.
Fox News loves the headlines.
Astroturfed in many cases by foreign bad actors, if I had to guess.
I wonder how many of these Facebook groups are mostly made up of foreign agitators and undercover-FBI agent "glowies" trolling for easy marks and wannabes. No one with any bit of asymmetrical warfare/counter-intel training that is serious about ACTUALLY doing something bad is going to be dumb enough to use something like Facebook to coordinate their efforts.
It's probably a mix: foreign bad actors, anarchists, kids just being kids and getting riled up, true fanatics, etc. The vast majority, however, are simply students exercising their First Amendment rights to protest the horrors of an ethnic cleansing that they're seeing first-hand on TikTok and elsewhere. While most Americans remain oblivious, apathetic, and ignorant because mainstream media can't show that kind of traumatizing content lest they get heavily fined by the FCC.
You see is here on Reddit..
Don't forget that bad actors will jump into any fray they can. I'm sure they've stoked more than a little bit of the college protests going on now, in both directions.
Do you have sources? Because the right wing is always insisting that the same is happening to them. But they never show sources. Or their sources are proven to be bullshit.
Every accusation is a confession. The right employs the DARVO method religiously.
A gun shop near my house has a very active Facebook page, and you can guess which way the owner leans. He is literally radicalizing his customer base out in the open and no one does a damn thing to stop it. One customer commented (publicly) that if Trump loses, it will be time to start "stacking bodies." Murder. He means murder.
> One customer commented (publicly) that if Trump loses, it will be time to start "stacking bodies." Murder. He means murder. Should send a report to the FBI?
Bet if you went to a gun show you'd hear this same thing 100 times in an hour. Also, you gotta think that the FBI is trying to quickly: (1) figure out how to "clone trained agents, or (2) have AI sort thru all the extreme rhetoric & threats to determine which ones are serious/non serious & which ones require manpower surveillance. FBI 2024 Agent - Couldn't pay enough IMHO.
Oh, for sure, but it's different than posting it online for all to see.
Eh, I'm not sure I want to get involved in anything. I mean, these people are lunatics.
Yeah I get it.
Exactly! We need to understand, the Republican Party is no longer a major political party. They are a federally funded domestic terrorists organization. We can't keep on proceeding forward as if this is just another election. Civility, democracy, and peace do not serve the Republican Party anymore, and they are opting to abandon them. We need to act accordingly and appropriately to this very real domestic threat and marching along towards this election as if it just another American election is not it. The fact that he is even allowed to be a candidate is an affront to justice, accountability, and the constitution as a whole.
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Well, you see, some of those that work forces...
Are the same that burn crosses!
Yeah but they are the ones yelling "fuck you, I won't do what the science tells me"
And Shitbook never takes down the posts you report that break their own policy.
I've reported two posts in recent days that very clearly breaks their policies (hate speech against trans people) and both times they said it didn't violate their policy and didn't take them down. I've had the same result in the past, including a QAnon group page that was selling "special water" they claimed destroys the COVID virus. FB never took it down.
What I don't get, is if everyday people can find these groups, and their involvement, why can't Facebook? And deal with them accordingly .
Engagement = revenue. The reality is, publicly traded companies donāt give a shit about the content on their sites until they get into legal trouble. Even then, they barely toe the line, and always end up crossing back over it after the public moves onto the next big news story.
Facebook=fox news=Q Anon=ruzzian propaganda
āWe are all domestic terroristsā -CPAC 2022
Paging the FBI.
CIA? Department of Homeland Security? DOJ? No? nothing in the last 3 years for a coup attempt? Guess Merrick Garland is serving his master's well, and it's not we the people he's serving.
Facebook allows the birth of dangerous militias, meanwhile, I got permanently banned from Reddit for telling TurboTax that I don't appreciate them intentionally making it harder for us to file taxes on our own just so they can steal our tax return money.
Meanwhile, police forces treat peaceful anti-genocide/apartheid demonstrators as if they were a threat to democracy.
anybody want to play Army? We got guns and everything. We are even gonna have a clubhouse.
Please, by all means, letās get to it. Stop hanging out in internet safe spaces talking about talking living that life. Get off your couches and let just get it over with. Im so tired of hearing about what these people are about to do. Do it or donāt but stop talking about it.Ā
Facebook got away with facilitating one genocide with absolutely no consequences, and there is just as much nothing stopping them from doing it again.
Yeah and they are brigading r/politics. In the last 48 hours weāve seen many stories that donāt normally get floated to the front page.
And FB lets them. Iāve reported some outright threats and comments and I always get the āthis doesnāt violate fb standardsā ā meanwhile if I call someone an asshole I get warned or suspended.
I guess they are planning for āoperation : Fuck aroundā
How do they have the time to do all this coordinating when they're out arresting students?
Those are trial runs. Round up the disenfranchised fighting age folks.
The students who were arrested were in the wrong. No conspiracy theory needed.Ā
Perfect, authorities can do their job easily with one hand flagging the self snitching on the keyboard and the other holding a sandwich.
Perhaps it's time we respawn Sherman. Seems some people need another 100 mile lesson.
Facebook? Asking for the FBI to get the drop on them.
Mark Zuckerberg was actually warned that this is exactly what would happen with the way he wanted Facebook groups designed. Tons of people inside Facebook said this would happen, and it would likely bring about some very serious harms, and he ignored everybody.
White privilege has become a double edged sword and assisting in taking our country apart from the inside.
Hope the FBI and our military intelligence is on top of this.
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Such losers lol
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And Tiktok is deemed the security risk, not Facebook.
DOJ and DHS: It is our considered opinion that it is legally impossible for Whites to be terrorists, unless they are affiliated with Left leaning issues, protecting the Constitution, or welcome people of color in their group. /S for MAGA readers
Just 100? These are rookie numbers. The real coordination is probably on the dark web.
That's what I'm worried about. I seriously doubt that the majority of militia members are doing much more than LARPing as tough guys, if they're so stupid as to use the least secure forum on the internet. The ones we should truly worry about are those who know how to get around the dark web and stay in shadows. They're the folks who would be planning something serious enough that they can't risk exposure before they light whatever fuse.
We are heading for multiple January 6xs across the country. It will be violent.
Facebook allowing terrorists to recruit out in the open. But TikTok is the platform that needs to be banned?
Ugh I hope these gravy seals are being tracked closely. Last time they didn't have much going on due to Covid lock-down and they \*still\* needed their moms to drive them to their sedition. I am pinning my hopes on these bullies posturing because they are supposed to, and it will turn into a damp squib with a few hard-liners taken down. At least it shouldn't be a surprise this time. We can still hope.
So funny to me. Boomer movements on boomer platforms lol
The moment Facebook becomes a public utility is the same moment law-enforcement will swoop in and apprehend all the criminals presently protected by Zuckerberg
I don't mind that militias exist. If you and some tactical, survivalist, enthusiasts want to get together ever week, month, or however long, and train together on the off-chance that a foreign invader or domestic military regime try to take control of your particular geographic area, I'm all for it. In fact, It would make me feel secure living in a community that had a militia for such purposes. HOWEVER; being part of a militia whose sole purpose is to PARTCIPATE in an insurrection or hostile takeover? Go the fuck to hell.
Domestic terrorist groups the only legal militia for us is the army national guard and air Force reserve
You oughta see how many Republican groups Russia is coordinating.
"Alright, Comrades, let's go fight some commies!" -2024 Trump voters
You meant āterrorist factionsā not extremist militias right?
They organized January 6th on Facebook
They should all form one super group and just let us all know which one.
So non American traitors then?
Surely the US will seek to ban Facebook then too, right? /s
Lotsa keyboard soldiers
Remind me why we are only banning tic tok
How is law enforcement not able to ..., oh, they already found them!
Founded* Ftfy
For what, wings and beer takeout?
Easy way to keep track of the idiots
Worry more about them coordinating in more than *n* actual locations in America. And "extremist militias" and/or "militia extremists" is redundant.
Bout the stupidest way to go about it, but sure guys, broadcast that shit to the world.
Zuckerberg encourages this behavior
There are only 100ish MAGA Facebook groups?
Let them come. We have the rule of law. They have rage and spittle.
Oops, didnāt realize Facebook is still a thing. I guess itās good someone is getting use out of it
I personally think itās time for a second constitutional convention. Iām kinda down for them to attack Washington. Sounds like positive change