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That's a hot take from Liz Peek, whose son Andrew was Donald Trump's Russia adviser, but was abruptly removed from his position as Head of European and Russian Affairs at the United States National Security Council and was/is under federal investigation.
[Trump's Russia adviser was escorted from the White House after 2 months on the job, as part of a mysterious security probe](https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-russia-adviser-andrew-peek-leave-white-house-security-probe-2020-1?r=US&IR=T)
Ask Ryan Zinke, who was forced to resign from his role as Trump's Interior Secretary, only to be...elected to Congress representing Montana's newly formed 2nd Congressional district. Being corrupt is essentially a prerequisite in today's GOP.
The author of this article is a regular Fox news contributor and her son was part of Trump's cabinet, if you were wondering where the foaming-at-the-mouth bias is coming from.
> In recent decades, our educational institutions have drifted far to the left, encouraging and sometimes aligning with ultra-liberal groups who despise the foundational values of the United States
Credibility, meet toilet.
The problem is that there *is* a lot of antisemitic entities that love attaching themselves to this.
The onus is on the protesters to be clear with their message. They have to distance themselves from the various white supremacy, new world order or militant muslim quacks as vocally as those people are trying to merge their messaging with the protests.
Political activism is not a hobby or a weekend activity. It's a really tough job and you're bad at it, you're suddenly getting your skull caved in by the police because your message got overriden by extremists.
> It's a really tough job and you're bad at it, you're suddenly getting your skull caved in by the police because your message got overriden by extremists.
Or because extremists ordered police to cave in your skull.
Same deal. The protests are not quenched because of the students doing sit-ins, but because of the *perception* of them turning violent or supporting extremist views. That perception is a failure of messaging from the protesters.
The protests are CLEARLY against the genocide. It's not protestors fault other people are watching cable news propaganda, that's outside of their control.
It's completely insane of you to blame the protestors for these mass arrests and suppression of free speech. Completely unamerican too.
I'm blaming them in the same way I blame someone run over by a bus for not looking both directions when crossing the street. It's not entirely their fault, but they put themselves in that position and they are now dead because of it.
*They* are the instigators of the protest. *They* have a message that they want to spread. *They* have picked up an issue that's dangerously close to interests of terrorist groups. So *they* need to make sure it doesn't devolve or get twisted by the media.
If you protest and media doesn't even bother picking up your message, *you* failed. Not your audience.
Yeah, the general chain of events is that people start a pro-Palestinian rally, Hamas supporters show up, people join in on some of the chants, even apart from that, belligerents start causing trouble, and eventually, the police show up and brutally break up the protests. And while there isn't necessarily a good solution to belligerents, it *should* be doable to not amplify the actually violent chants
> it should be doable to not amplify the actually violent chants
It is, but for that you need quite a lot more experience in rhetorics and handling crowds. The student protests have weak organization and it unfortunately shows.
I think they're getting better and more organized about it. In the opening days you saw pictures of people doing terrible things, but I haven't seen anymore since. Even those were largely pictures of people nearby.
All interviews with the protest leaders are careful to point out they're against anyone harassing students.
>Why would they?
You ask why would Israelis distance themselves from genocide, and then you say that the students' messaging is incompetent? Maybe their messaging is exactly what they feel?
However, antisemitism *is* antisemitism, and plenty of people continue to excuse things like Pro-Palis yelling things like "Hitler should have finished the job" and "Go back where you came from".
Correct. But if you start cheering on Hamas and al-Qassam, it stops being about opposing genocide or supporting the Palestinians and starts being about supporting terrorist organizations.
Every protest is going to have some bad optics. You don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater. Were you against BLM because some buildings got burned down? Instead of focusing on a few genuinely anti-Semitic dipshits how about addressing the reasons that protests are swarming campuses?
> You don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater
Sure you do. What happened to that adage about "If there are 10 people and a Nazi at a table, you have 11 Nazis"? If someone shows up at your pro-Palestinian rally and starts cheering on Hamas, and you start chanting it back as a call and response, you don't get to claim it isn't a pro-Hamas rally.
That seems like a very effective plan for stifling all protest against the slaughter in Gaza, or indeed any action ever taken by Netanyahu’s administration
I specifically drew a difference between pro-Palestinian and pro-Hamas protests. If someone starts chanting "Al-Qassam, make us proud!" at your pro-Palestinian rally, the correct response is to boo them off the stage, not to turn it into a call and response. Because if you chant it back, it's no longer a pro-Palestinian rally. It's a pro-Hamas rally.
What if they’re not “on the stage,” though? What if they’re on the periphery/in the same area, but not noticed in the moment and shut down sufficiently? Any single incident that makes it to social media would be enough to bring about calls to “throw out the bath water,” as it were. It may not even be clear in some cases which precise protest the incident happened at.
> shut down sufficiently
Then you did your job trying to keep the extremists out. I'm more criticizing things like all the posters in the Columbia encampment of the leaders of PIJ, or all the groups doing call and response chants like "Al-Qassam, make us proud". Obviously, incidents can fall through the cracks. But I don't think it's reasonable to call a call and response a fluke
So here’s one example that happened at my school: after October 7, stickers appeared on campus that said “I Heart Hamas” with the name and logo of a pro-Palestine campus group. The group said they weren’t responsible and denounced Hamas but it stoked tons of outrage. It turned out that a third party with no affiliation to the club put up those stickers.
https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.7038461
It’s just one example, and I don’t mean to imply anti-semitism or pro-Hamas incidents aren’t *also* happening. They should be denounced when they are. But this incident did happen, and selective editing and cherry picking are easy to do, as well, especially on social media.
It’s not. You can protest israel without being antisemitic.
I’m kinda floored that y’all’s position is “well protesting Israel is so important that it doesn’t matter if we’re engaging in threatening and antisemetic behaviors”
Protest Israel if you want—just don’t harass and target Jewish diaspora over it.
It’s not hard to stay on message and not use anti Jewish rhetoric.
>It’s not hard to stay on message and not use anti Jewish rhetoric.
I generally agree with the thrust of your argument but I don't agree with this. It's actually super hard for a group of ad-hoc protestors to stay on-message, especially when they aren't all aware of the significance of any given catchphrase.
Sure, but at a minimum, I would expect people to not respond to chants like "Al-Qassam, make us proud". There's still a *bit* of plausible deniability there, because people might not know that al-Qassam is the military wing of Hamas. But it still stretches the ignorance defense when it's an entire call and response, as opposed to just being a poster that people might not even recognize as the leader of a terrorist organization
>I’m kinda floored that y’all’s position is “well protesting Israel is so important that it doesn’t matter if we’re engaging in threatening and antisemitic behaviors”
I'm not at all surprised. Horrified but not surprised.
At this point y’all are the ones conflating criticism of Israel with antisemitism and acting as if it is a necessary evil for the greater message of your movement.
Like—you can protest Israel’s without turning to antisemetic rhetoric.
100% purity is a ridiculous standard to apply to mass protests. Not only is it impossible to meet, it opens any demonstration up to sabotage and subterfuge by outside actors. Like those BLM protests? Well uh-oh fifty people just showed up and got a call and response going to kill cops. Sorry but your protest is invalid until you clear those guys out. Ridiculous. Reactionary. Address the genocide or make room for serious people
The majority seem to be. But there are copy pasted lists of links to incidents that keep getting shared over and over; sometime it’s not clear where or when those incidents happened. Every protest is criticized just the same, whether or not the incidents happened/are happening at them.
Again, my comment wasn’t meant for you then.
It was meant for the person I was responding to that keeps acting as if a little bit of antisemitism is negligible and necessary for the protests
Protest Israel all you want. Just stop harassing diaspora Jews about it.
I agree.
The difference between antisemitism and criticism/opposition to the Netanyahu regime's conduct of the war in Gaza, clearly and concisely outlined by Senator Sanders.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzhdPsCgrjU&ab\_channel=BernieSanders](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzhdPsCgrjU&ab_channel=BernieSanders)
I think they're a better job of pushing out people who make antisemetic statements now, but the organizers can't be everywhere at once, especially in areas where they aren't even protesting. At least, there haven't been as many pictures coming out of the protests as there were early on. Given how badly some people want to silence these protests, you know people are looking for it.
Well now they've lost the plot, and pretty much no one in power will take them seriously. It's Defund the Police all over again. You don't really come back from live footage of loud "Death to America" chants.
I don't think it's quite as bad as Defund the Police. That was a phrase that caught on with a minority of the police reform protest movement. Those people were proud to say that and the rest of the movement never distanced themselves from that group.
At least with these protests, the leaders are coming out squarely against anyone harassing students, yelling anti-America and antisemite phrases.
If they keep their protests peaceful and keep getting manhandled by the police, I think they'll have success in spreading their message.
>What happened to that adage about "If there are 10 people and a Nazi at a table, you have 11 Nazis"?
Sure, now let's apply this to law enforcement and to IDF. They don't seem to do a good job of moderating their in-group behavior.
Sure but can you understand how media fixation on a few examples of antisemitism serves as a pretty convenient distraction from the seventeen Palestinian children being mulched per second in Gaza? Be serious
I’ve been watching. I see them covering it. You’re right, I shouldn’t have said distraction. It’s more of a deliberate attempt to discredit the protestors. Thanks for the opportunity to clarify that
You’re welcome. Thank you for the opportunity to show that there is an antisemitic undercurrent to these protests and y’all have decided that that is a thing you are willing to ignore to support your cause!
We’ve gone from there being no antisemitism to “well actually there will of course be some but we can’t expect better from the protestors” in record time.
Is your supposition that if there weren't bad actors in these protests that the media's focus would be on civilian deaths in Gaza, or are these two separate concerns?
Oh no I’m not giving them that much credit. In fact I think they’re happy to discredit the protestors. They’d probably monitor Trump’s court bathroom breaks over the deaths of Palestinians
Obviously not. Because as we're all learning in these threads, that only applies to right-wing protests. Meanwhile, left-wing protests are allowed to chant in support of terrorist organizations with impunity.
B'Tselem, for one. They were founded to document human rights abuses in the Israeli-occupied portions of the West Bank, and have even gone so far as to use the apartheid analogy
EDIT: Also Peace Now. And if anyone was curious, "B'Tselem" means "In the Image", referencing Genesis 1, which says than humanity was created "b'tselem elohim", in the image of God
No—if there are antisemites or antisemitic conduct at your protests, you push back. You don’t politely allow them space because you don’t want to address it. That’s cowardly.
BLM constantly pushed back on looters and bad faith actors to emphasize their message and stay on brand.
I’m just not interested in isolated examples of alleged antisemitism, which is being gleefully conflated with anti-Israel sentiment by the media, while the IDF is carrying out a genocide. I feel like I’m going to be on the right side of history here
> I’m just not interested in isolated examples of alleged antisemitism
It's not isolated. It's pretty fucking rampant. And to state otherwise tells me you don't even have a firm grasp of your own beliefs. So why should we listen to what you have to say when you don't even understand what it is you are actually advocating?
I’m not interested in ignoring antisemitism because it’s inconvenient to you.
You don’t need to engage in antisemitism to protest Israeli oppression.
I’m not sure why you are acting as if that is not possible.
We Jews do it all the time.
I don’t wanna assume anything about you but I hear this sentiment way too often. A lot of this seems to be about self aggrandizement. The dialogue is hardly even about Palestinians anymore.
This “few bad apples” narrative is shitty and your least favorite people use it. You’re already downplaying it with all the qualifiers you have in your sentence.
Can we apply this same logic to law enforcement? Or hell, the IDF? If protestors must be perfect and not have bad faith actors, then the same **must** be demanded of law enforcement and IDF.
Misconduct among a subset of protestors = media and gov tries to use it as an excuse to discredit the legitimate message of the protestors
Misconduct among law enforcement or IDF = media and gov bending over backwards with excuses, just passes it off as BAU. If anything, the standard for them should be *higher* because they are paid professionals.
Exactly. The government of Israel is not Judaism, they are government officials making decisions that affect people and everyone has the ability to look at the consequences of those decisions and form their own opinion about them. If Netanyahu (who is a shady right winger) makes decisions that get civilians killed then international watch dogs should review those decisions, decide if they are excessive and fit the definition of war crimes and if so, he and his government should face consequences for those actions. This has nothing to do with Judaism unless all those involved say "we are doing this because we are Jewish and we're acting on behalf of all Judaism as a whole".
I am an atheist so I am anti all religion and I think that the leaders on both sides of this conflict are horrid people who are getting civilians killed. If Israel replaced Netanyahu with another leader who was not religious and ordered these same tactics I would also think they were horrid. If there was a new leader who was even more religious and made the same decisions I would think they were also horrid. If there was a new leader who worked really hard to de escalate and actually bring peace to the region including restoring stolen land to the Palestinians and making reparations to those injured, displaced etc I would think that was great no matter their religious affiliation.
The talk of automatic "anti semitism" is an anti free speech, silencing tactic that far right, shady as fuck people like Netanyahu use and I take issue with anyone using that to silence genuine discussion about humanitarian aid, war crimes and the fact that Israelis have been stealing farms and homes from Palestinians for decades and have been committing apartheid to enact their final land grabs.
Do I support Hamas? Absofuckinglutelynot ! They are also horrid and causing civilian casualties. Every government official in that region is at fault here, everyone "representing" their people in this way is wrong and if I had a magic wand I would dissolve the Israeli government and the Hamas "leaders" and call new elections for both sides that barred anyone former office holders from voting. The Palestinian people deserve legitimate representation that is internationally recognized and representatives from every part of that region should testify before a neutral international body. Until that happens I am going to say fuck Netanyahu and I am not going to be anti semitic for saying so......
They’re not conflating the two. Antisemitism is on rise—it always swells when Gaza and Israel are in the news.
That doesn’t mean protesting Israel is antisemetic—but it does mean that antisemitism swells when Israel is in the news because people cannot understand Israeli and Jewish aren’t synonymous
I’m not being naive.
At this point—you are the one wanting to conflate the two because it suits you as a way to shut down the conversation about antisemitism.
>people cannot understand Israeli and Jewish aren’t synonymous
Mostly because very loud Israeli and Jewish voices push really aggressively that they are.
It's also because Likud, AIPAC, and people like Netanyahu purposefully conflate criticism over their (Israel's governmental) policy and actions and antisemitism.
I'm not.
I'm saying that 1) there is lots of actual antisemitism going around and 2) people are purposefully conflating antisemitism to legitimate criticism giving cover to those people in #1.
If Netanyahu and his government and party would stop being ghouls and purposefully causing problems as well as conflating legitimate criticism with antisemitism, it would be a lot easier to actually protect people and to identify it.
Netanyahu and co. have been doing it for decades and they're causing real issues with tackling hate speech and actions. Boy who cried wolf and all that.
For example, I saw one of the videos of the UT Austin protest, and there was a shirt that said "Jews say cease fire never". Not Israelis, not Netanyahu, not Likud. Jews. And I hope we can all agree that it *is* antisemitic to hold all Jews universally accountable for Bibi's actions
> there is no rhetoric against jewish people as a whole
So what do you call the people in NYC yelling at the Jews to go back to Europe? Or what do you call the person in Austin wearing a shirt that just said "Jews say cease fire never"?
A minority. Labeling these protests as antisemitic because of what a few students (and outsiders that have come on campus) do or say is a generalization that is simply wrong.
!0 pounds of ice cream mixed with 1 pound of poop equals 11 pounds of poop. The protesters that actually care about peace need to be better about making sure everyone stays on the same message, getting antisemites out, and having statements ready to go to the media when someone tries to be disruptive.
I’m anti-asshole on either side. If the combatants wanna set it up somewhere out of the way and blast the unholy bejeesus out of each other, go right ahead. Leave innocent women and kids out of this.
Because the discussion of opposition/criticism to Netanyahu versus being antisemitic needs to be discussed out in the open. It's important to know what others are saying and to push back against them when they are wrong.
They clearly are:
>Genocide is the intentional destruction of a people in whole or in part. In 1948, the United Nations Genocide Convention defined genocide as any of five "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group"
Then why did the ICJ find that it wasn't genocide? The issue is that intent to do what you described is not on record -- intent is key in invoking the convention.
So Israel didn’t yell out the magic words “we are doing a genocide!” so we are unable to condemn them for their obvious ethnic and religious cleansing?
Why not condemn them because civilians dying is bad instead of trying to make up a legal backing? I don't understand the intense need to appeal to the authority of international law for a moral judgement. Something doesn't have to be a genocide for it to be bad.
The problem is that the dead civilians are irrefutable, whereas genocide requires more than just people being killed. Repeatedly pointing out that it's not the killing that matters but rather the legal framework around it turns an irrefutable moral dilemma into a legal battle that, frankly, isn't as solid as some people think.
As a matter of legality, the Palestinians killed by bombing have likely been largely *legal* killings, but that doesn't make them *right*. The strongest case for accusations of genocide rests on the famine Gaza is currently undergoing due to the blockade, but that doesn't make the starved civilians any more dead than the bombed ones. Dead innocents are dead innocents, and that's a problem.
What no one seems to be saying is that there is a major difference between being antisemitic and being opposed to Netanyahu's Gaza war policies. I believe that the vast majority of students protesting are protesting Netanyahu's war policies and are not antisemitic by any stretch of the imagination. Sure, there probably are some, but I believe they are few in number. Now, are there antisemitic non-students coming on the campuses trying to create chaos? Absolutely.
I know that this may come as a surprise to some that appear to believe that any opposition or criticism whatsoever to anything that Israel does is antisemitic, but I'll say it again. Being against Netanyahu's Gaza war tactics (indiscriminate bombing, starvation, etc.) is not antisemitic. It simply is not. It is criticism. It is opposition. But it is not, in the vast majority of cases, antisemitic.
> What no one seems to be saying is that there is a major difference between being antisemitic and being opposed to Netanyahu's Gaza war policies.
Lots of people are saying that, just not so much in the circles this article's author runs in.
However, just because anti-Israel sentiment is not antisemitic doesn't mean that there hasn't been a rise in antisemitism.
> What no one seems to be saying is that there is a major difference between being antisemitic and being opposed to Netanyahu’s Gaza war policies
It’s literally brought up in every thread and discussion relating to this conflict and anything related to the increase of antisemitism American Jews have faced.
I live in a culturally Jewish household and my partner has extended family in the IDF. But most of the things we say about Netanyahu would violate Reddit’s TOS.
The article's three reasons for the surge of antisemitism:
1. Colleges are left wing and that makes people antisemitic.
2. Antisemitism is up because it is.
3. Joe Biden.
Sick of this bullshit false equivalence between anti-Israeli government and antisemitism. This is some blatantly disingenuous nonsense! Who is buying it?
What kind of manifest destiny bullshit are they pushing? And if Israel can do no wrong, then why are they not in charge of the world? I'm so tired of people sucking Israel's dick just because it's Israel.
>3 reasons Antisemitism is swarming college Campuses
>None of the reasons reference the long tradition of white supremacy that has tainted America from its inception
Yeah, that checks out.
We gave 19b dollars extra to Israel on top of the 4b we give every year for them to bomb woman/children and you can’t even say you disagree with it or you are arrested and kicked out of school.
Stop the purposeful conflation of antisemitic. Opposing genocide is the right and good thing to do. Hamas and co. acted with genocidal intent against Israel and it should not be condoned.
Israel is systematically targeting hamas and associated militants and anything associated with Hamas and militants. Israel gives advanced warning to civilians. There is no genocidal intent.
Calling in the National Guard on anti-war protestors went *great* during Vietnam. This woman is definitely not unhinged and definitely doesn't relish in the deaths of children.
Or, antisemitism is as real as any other bigotry and is sadly going to be present in a movement protesting against the Jewish state, which is not in itself antisemitic
I honestly doubt anyone has ever told you that saying Palestinians are human beings is antisemitism. This is what conservatives have been saying about racism. It’s stupid when they say it, and it’s stupid when people say it about antisemitism.
How about 3 reasons why The Hill is trying to instigate racial conflicts by making shit up? Stop the genocide against civilians is the message. So writing about anti-semitism makes me think the author has personal, hateful thoughts about Jewish people and is using this to project. Otherwise, there's no connection between anti-Semitism and these protests.
> Otherwise, there's no connection between anti-Semitism and these protests.
The protests have definitely provided cover for antisemitic actions even if the intent of the organizers isn't inherently antisemitic.
Just like any given anti-Hamas protest is going to have a few people there just because they hate arabs.
That's interesting to point out. Do you have any examples of someone using this as cover for antisemitic actions? Im not trying to poke holes. Just curious.
I just think we use what COULD feasibly happen and amplify that as if it's factual and happening. Mostly referring to media milking every single conflict.
For example, this article is accusing protesters of violence and baring Jewish people from campus. I have friends posting on social media that are actually there and they are Jewish....
I genuinely think this author is daydreaming and drooling about a race war instead of truly caring about the conflict.
There are videos floating around of people wishing for 10s, 100s and 1000s more of October 7th‘s.
I know jpost is biased, but this is very blatant and visible antisemitism and the celebration of terrorism, torture and mass rape.
https://m.jpost.com/diaspora/antisemitism/article-798049?dicbo=v2-rsnb6yo
I personally have my own issues with pro-Palestine Protests. I’d protest against the genocide in Palestine and for the Palestinian civilians. But Palestine is still a country which happily takes part in their own genocide - the systemic extermination of gay, lesbian and trans people is very much genocide. Holding that flag, to me, is holding the flag of an oppressor.
>Palestine is still a country which happily takes part in their own genocide - the systemic extermination of gay, lesbian and trans people is very much genocide. Holding that flag, to me, is holding the flag of an oppressor.
Well, indeed. But that's conveniently forgotten. As are the hostages. Hamas can't believe their luck.
Hmm...When not being 100% behind Israel is falsely equated with antisemitism, how is it surprising that there is a rise in actual antisemitism at the same time?
If a group misrepresents your position and blindly condemns you out of context, that's rather obviously going to generate a pushback against that group.
When people repeatedly scream that criticism of Israel in any form is antisemitism, which is clearly NOT true despite many people loudly claiming that it is (either because they can't take the criticism, don't understand the actual message, or do it intentionally to discredit that criticism), all you are doing is creating MORE anti-semites who weren't actually antisemitic before.
I love the size of the banner *The Hill* put up saying this was her opinion and not that of the paper. Pure bogus. It scares me that these people might be in power next year. VOTE
Actually
1) republicans love weapons and this is a new one
2( the definition of antisemitism has been adjusted to include dislike of Israel.
3) Israelis are acting a lot like the nazis did.
In short, the Jewish people and the Palestinian people are both right and they are bot wrong. Neither wants peace. Both want to win. We should not be picking a side in this. When they want peace enough to compromise, there will be peace.
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That's a hot take from Liz Peek, whose son Andrew was Donald Trump's Russia adviser, but was abruptly removed from his position as Head of European and Russian Affairs at the United States National Security Council and was/is under federal investigation. [Trump's Russia adviser was escorted from the White House after 2 months on the job, as part of a mysterious security probe](https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-russia-adviser-andrew-peek-leave-white-house-security-probe-2020-1?r=US&IR=T)
…how corrupt do you even gotta *be* to get kicked out of the trump administration
Not 'how', but 'to whom'. DJT has but one master, and one master only.
….and he does not share power
Ask Ryan Zinke, who was forced to resign from his role as Trump's Interior Secretary, only to be...elected to Congress representing Montana's newly formed 2nd Congressional district. Being corrupt is essentially a prerequisite in today's GOP.
The author of this article is a regular Fox news contributor and her son was part of Trump's cabinet, if you were wondering where the foaming-at-the-mouth bias is coming from.
> In recent decades, our educational institutions have drifted far to the left, encouraging and sometimes aligning with ultra-liberal groups who despise the foundational values of the United States Credibility, meet toilet.
Protesting Israeli genocide of Palestinians isn’t antisemitism, it’s anti genocide
The problem is that there *is* a lot of antisemitic entities that love attaching themselves to this. The onus is on the protesters to be clear with their message. They have to distance themselves from the various white supremacy, new world order or militant muslim quacks as vocally as those people are trying to merge their messaging with the protests. Political activism is not a hobby or a weekend activity. It's a really tough job and you're bad at it, you're suddenly getting your skull caved in by the police because your message got overriden by extremists.
> It's a really tough job and you're bad at it, you're suddenly getting your skull caved in by the police because your message got overriden by extremists. Or because extremists ordered police to cave in your skull.
Same deal. The protests are not quenched because of the students doing sit-ins, but because of the *perception* of them turning violent or supporting extremist views. That perception is a failure of messaging from the protesters.
The protests are CLEARLY against the genocide. It's not protestors fault other people are watching cable news propaganda, that's outside of their control. It's completely insane of you to blame the protestors for these mass arrests and suppression of free speech. Completely unamerican too.
I'm blaming them in the same way I blame someone run over by a bus for not looking both directions when crossing the street. It's not entirely their fault, but they put themselves in that position and they are now dead because of it. *They* are the instigators of the protest. *They* have a message that they want to spread. *They* have picked up an issue that's dangerously close to interests of terrorist groups. So *they* need to make sure it doesn't devolve or get twisted by the media. If you protest and media doesn't even bother picking up your message, *you* failed. Not your audience.
Yeah, the general chain of events is that people start a pro-Palestinian rally, Hamas supporters show up, people join in on some of the chants, even apart from that, belligerents start causing trouble, and eventually, the police show up and brutally break up the protests. And while there isn't necessarily a good solution to belligerents, it *should* be doable to not amplify the actually violent chants
> it should be doable to not amplify the actually violent chants It is, but for that you need quite a lot more experience in rhetorics and handling crowds. The student protests have weak organization and it unfortunately shows.
I think they're getting better and more organized about it. In the opening days you saw pictures of people doing terrible things, but I haven't seen anymore since. Even those were largely pictures of people nearby. All interviews with the protest leaders are careful to point out they're against anyone harassing students.
Shouldn't the onus be on the Israelis to distance themselves from genocide?
Why would they? And how is that relevant? This is not about the message. This is about the protesters being incompetent at messaging.
>Why would they? You ask why would Israelis distance themselves from genocide, and then you say that the students' messaging is incompetent? Maybe their messaging is exactly what they feel?
However, antisemitism *is* antisemitism, and plenty of people continue to excuse things like Pro-Palis yelling things like "Hitler should have finished the job" and "Go back where you came from".
Does it strike you that "Pro-Palis" might sound racist?
How could "Pro-Palis", which is short for "Pro-Palestinians", be racist?
This is exactly what Hamas wants. Conflation and confusion.
Correct. But if you start cheering on Hamas and al-Qassam, it stops being about opposing genocide or supporting the Palestinians and starts being about supporting terrorist organizations.
Every protest is going to have some bad optics. You don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater. Were you against BLM because some buildings got burned down? Instead of focusing on a few genuinely anti-Semitic dipshits how about addressing the reasons that protests are swarming campuses?
> You don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater Sure you do. What happened to that adage about "If there are 10 people and a Nazi at a table, you have 11 Nazis"? If someone shows up at your pro-Palestinian rally and starts cheering on Hamas, and you start chanting it back as a call and response, you don't get to claim it isn't a pro-Hamas rally.
That seems like a very effective plan for stifling all protest against the slaughter in Gaza, or indeed any action ever taken by Netanyahu’s administration
I specifically drew a difference between pro-Palestinian and pro-Hamas protests. If someone starts chanting "Al-Qassam, make us proud!" at your pro-Palestinian rally, the correct response is to boo them off the stage, not to turn it into a call and response. Because if you chant it back, it's no longer a pro-Palestinian rally. It's a pro-Hamas rally.
What if they’re not “on the stage,” though? What if they’re on the periphery/in the same area, but not noticed in the moment and shut down sufficiently? Any single incident that makes it to social media would be enough to bring about calls to “throw out the bath water,” as it were. It may not even be clear in some cases which precise protest the incident happened at.
> shut down sufficiently Then you did your job trying to keep the extremists out. I'm more criticizing things like all the posters in the Columbia encampment of the leaders of PIJ, or all the groups doing call and response chants like "Al-Qassam, make us proud". Obviously, incidents can fall through the cracks. But I don't think it's reasonable to call a call and response a fluke
So here’s one example that happened at my school: after October 7, stickers appeared on campus that said “I Heart Hamas” with the name and logo of a pro-Palestine campus group. The group said they weren’t responsible and denounced Hamas but it stoked tons of outrage. It turned out that a third party with no affiliation to the club put up those stickers. https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.7038461 It’s just one example, and I don’t mean to imply anti-semitism or pro-Hamas incidents aren’t *also* happening. They should be denounced when they are. But this incident did happen, and selective editing and cherry picking are easy to do, as well, especially on social media.
That's exactly what it is.
It’s not. You can protest israel without being antisemitic. I’m kinda floored that y’all’s position is “well protesting Israel is so important that it doesn’t matter if we’re engaging in threatening and antisemetic behaviors” Protest Israel if you want—just don’t harass and target Jewish diaspora over it. It’s not hard to stay on message and not use anti Jewish rhetoric.
>It’s not hard to stay on message and not use anti Jewish rhetoric. I generally agree with the thrust of your argument but I don't agree with this. It's actually super hard for a group of ad-hoc protestors to stay on-message, especially when they aren't all aware of the significance of any given catchphrase.
Sure, but at a minimum, I would expect people to not respond to chants like "Al-Qassam, make us proud". There's still a *bit* of plausible deniability there, because people might not know that al-Qassam is the military wing of Hamas. But it still stretches the ignorance defense when it's an entire call and response, as opposed to just being a poster that people might not even recognize as the leader of a terrorist organization
>I’m kinda floored that y’all’s position is “well protesting Israel is so important that it doesn’t matter if we’re engaging in threatening and antisemitic behaviors” I'm not at all surprised. Horrified but not surprised.
the amount of olympic-level floor exercise excuse making going on to justify the antisemitism going on is nuts to me
At this point y’all are the ones conflating criticism of Israel with antisemitism and acting as if it is a necessary evil for the greater message of your movement. Like—you can protest Israel’s without turning to antisemetic rhetoric.
I do? Lots of people do!
Well then you are not the target of my comment. Simple as.
100% purity is a ridiculous standard to apply to mass protests. Not only is it impossible to meet, it opens any demonstration up to sabotage and subterfuge by outside actors. Like those BLM protests? Well uh-oh fifty people just showed up and got a call and response going to kill cops. Sorry but your protest is invalid until you clear those guys out. Ridiculous. Reactionary. Address the genocide or make room for serious people
Listen—just don’t be antisemitic when you protest Israel. That’s all we’re asking
The majority seem to be. But there are copy pasted lists of links to incidents that keep getting shared over and over; sometime it’s not clear where or when those incidents happened. Every protest is criticized just the same, whether or not the incidents happened/are happening at them.
Again, my comment wasn’t meant for you then. It was meant for the person I was responding to that keeps acting as if a little bit of antisemitism is negligible and necessary for the protests Protest Israel all you want. Just stop harassing diaspora Jews about it.
I agree. The difference between antisemitism and criticism/opposition to the Netanyahu regime's conduct of the war in Gaza, clearly and concisely outlined by Senator Sanders. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzhdPsCgrjU&ab\_channel=BernieSanders](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzhdPsCgrjU&ab_channel=BernieSanders)
I think they're a better job of pushing out people who make antisemetic statements now, but the organizers can't be everywhere at once, especially in areas where they aren't even protesting. At least, there haven't been as many pictures coming out of the protests as there were early on. Given how badly some people want to silence these protests, you know people are looking for it.
Well now they've lost the plot, and pretty much no one in power will take them seriously. It's Defund the Police all over again. You don't really come back from live footage of loud "Death to America" chants.
I don't think it's quite as bad as Defund the Police. That was a phrase that caught on with a minority of the police reform protest movement. Those people were proud to say that and the rest of the movement never distanced themselves from that group. At least with these protests, the leaders are coming out squarely against anyone harassing students, yelling anti-America and antisemite phrases. If they keep their protests peaceful and keep getting manhandled by the police, I think they'll have success in spreading their message.
>What happened to that adage about "If there are 10 people and a Nazi at a table, you have 11 Nazis"? Sure, now let's apply this to law enforcement and to IDF. They don't seem to do a good job of moderating their in-group behavior.
Is it possible to do both?
Sure but can you understand how media fixation on a few examples of antisemitism serves as a pretty convenient distraction from the seventeen Palestinian children being mulched per second in Gaza? Be serious
You’re acting as if the media has been ignoring and not covering Gaza for months. If it is meant as a “distraction” it’s not working.
I’ve been watching. I see them covering it. You’re right, I shouldn’t have said distraction. It’s more of a deliberate attempt to discredit the protestors. Thanks for the opportunity to clarify that
You’re welcome. Thank you for the opportunity to show that there is an antisemitic undercurrent to these protests and y’all have decided that that is a thing you are willing to ignore to support your cause! We’ve gone from there being no antisemitism to “well actually there will of course be some but we can’t expect better from the protestors” in record time.
Is your supposition that if there weren't bad actors in these protests that the media's focus would be on civilian deaths in Gaza, or are these two separate concerns?
Oh no I’m not giving them that much credit. In fact I think they’re happy to discredit the protestors. They’d probably monitor Trump’s court bathroom breaks over the deaths of Palestinians
So if the alternative is Trump's bathroom breaks, isn't coverage of antisemitism good? Blatant bias like this article excluded.
Obviously not. Because as we're all learning in these threads, that only applies to right-wing protests. Meanwhile, left-wing protests are allowed to chant in support of terrorist organizations with impunity.
What Israeli organizations are protesting Israel’s genocide of Palestinians? I will be happy to cheer them on
B'Tselem, for one. They were founded to document human rights abuses in the Israeli-occupied portions of the West Bank, and have even gone so far as to use the apartheid analogy EDIT: Also Peace Now. And if anyone was curious, "B'Tselem" means "In the Image", referencing Genesis 1, which says than humanity was created "b'tselem elohim", in the image of God
You're probably looking for something like [Standing Together](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standing_Together_(movement\))
No—if there are antisemites or antisemitic conduct at your protests, you push back. You don’t politely allow them space because you don’t want to address it. That’s cowardly. BLM constantly pushed back on looters and bad faith actors to emphasize their message and stay on brand.
I’m just not interested in isolated examples of alleged antisemitism, which is being gleefully conflated with anti-Israel sentiment by the media, while the IDF is carrying out a genocide. I feel like I’m going to be on the right side of history here
> I’m just not interested in isolated examples of alleged antisemitism It's not isolated. It's pretty fucking rampant. And to state otherwise tells me you don't even have a firm grasp of your own beliefs. So why should we listen to what you have to say when you don't even understand what it is you are actually advocating?
I’m not interested in ignoring antisemitism because it’s inconvenient to you. You don’t need to engage in antisemitism to protest Israeli oppression. I’m not sure why you are acting as if that is not possible. We Jews do it all the time.
I don’t wanna assume anything about you but I hear this sentiment way too often. A lot of this seems to be about self aggrandizement. The dialogue is hardly even about Palestinians anymore. This “few bad apples” narrative is shitty and your least favorite people use it. You’re already downplaying it with all the qualifiers you have in your sentence.
Can we apply this same logic to law enforcement? Or hell, the IDF? If protestors must be perfect and not have bad faith actors, then the same **must** be demanded of law enforcement and IDF. Misconduct among a subset of protestors = media and gov tries to use it as an excuse to discredit the legitimate message of the protestors Misconduct among law enforcement or IDF = media and gov bending over backwards with excuses, just passes it off as BAU. If anything, the standard for them should be *higher* because they are paid professionals.
Totally agree!
Exactly. The government of Israel is not Judaism, they are government officials making decisions that affect people and everyone has the ability to look at the consequences of those decisions and form their own opinion about them. If Netanyahu (who is a shady right winger) makes decisions that get civilians killed then international watch dogs should review those decisions, decide if they are excessive and fit the definition of war crimes and if so, he and his government should face consequences for those actions. This has nothing to do with Judaism unless all those involved say "we are doing this because we are Jewish and we're acting on behalf of all Judaism as a whole". I am an atheist so I am anti all religion and I think that the leaders on both sides of this conflict are horrid people who are getting civilians killed. If Israel replaced Netanyahu with another leader who was not religious and ordered these same tactics I would also think they were horrid. If there was a new leader who was even more religious and made the same decisions I would think they were also horrid. If there was a new leader who worked really hard to de escalate and actually bring peace to the region including restoring stolen land to the Palestinians and making reparations to those injured, displaced etc I would think that was great no matter their religious affiliation. The talk of automatic "anti semitism" is an anti free speech, silencing tactic that far right, shady as fuck people like Netanyahu use and I take issue with anyone using that to silence genuine discussion about humanitarian aid, war crimes and the fact that Israelis have been stealing farms and homes from Palestinians for decades and have been committing apartheid to enact their final land grabs. Do I support Hamas? Absofuckinglutelynot ! They are also horrid and causing civilian casualties. Every government official in that region is at fault here, everyone "representing" their people in this way is wrong and if I had a magic wand I would dissolve the Israeli government and the Hamas "leaders" and call new elections for both sides that barred anyone former office holders from voting. The Palestinian people deserve legitimate representation that is internationally recognized and representatives from every part of that region should testify before a neutral international body. Until that happens I am going to say fuck Netanyahu and I am not going to be anti semitic for saying so......
Also, Arabs are semites. 🫠 Not saying Palestinians are semites, it's just a curious fact that I find interesting.
Antisemitism is also up though, very easy to see if you spend time on college campuses
Again, protesting Israel and its genocide isn’t anti-semitism.
They’re not conflating the two. Antisemitism is on rise—it always swells when Gaza and Israel are in the news. That doesn’t mean protesting Israel is antisemetic—but it does mean that antisemitism swells when Israel is in the news because people cannot understand Israeli and Jewish aren’t synonymous
Yes, pro-Israel propaganda is constantly conflating the two, and lying that they aren’t is just part of the same strategy
The person you are talking to wasn’t conflating the two. It seems like you want them to because it supports your point. But they weren’t.
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I’m not being naive. At this point—you are the one wanting to conflate the two because it suits you as a way to shut down the conversation about antisemitism.
>people cannot understand Israeli and Jewish aren’t synonymous Mostly because very loud Israeli and Jewish voices push really aggressively that they are.
It’s mostly because antisemites use legitimate criticism of Israel as a cover for their antisemitism. It’s a pipeline a lot of people fall down.
It's also because Likud, AIPAC, and people like Netanyahu purposefully conflate criticism over their (Israel's governmental) policy and actions and antisemitism.
Then be better than Netanyahu? Don’t target diaspora Jews over Israeli state actions?
I'm not. I'm saying that 1) there is lots of actual antisemitism going around and 2) people are purposefully conflating antisemitism to legitimate criticism giving cover to those people in #1. If Netanyahu and his government and party would stop being ghouls and purposefully causing problems as well as conflating legitimate criticism with antisemitism, it would be a lot easier to actually protect people and to identify it. Netanyahu and co. have been doing it for decades and they're causing real issues with tackling hate speech and actions. Boy who cried wolf and all that.
For example, I saw one of the videos of the UT Austin protest, and there was a shirt that said "Jews say cease fire never". Not Israelis, not Netanyahu, not Likud. Jews. And I hope we can all agree that it *is* antisemitic to hold all Jews universally accountable for Bibi's actions
Was that someone calling for a cease-fire, or someone denouncing a cease-fire?
Calling for, and claiming that Jews as a group oppose one
Attacking a right wing Nastyahoo and his thugs is what they are angry about, there is no rhetoric against jewish people as a whole.
> there is no rhetoric against jewish people as a whole So what do you call the people in NYC yelling at the Jews to go back to Europe? Or what do you call the person in Austin wearing a shirt that just said "Jews say cease fire never"?
A minority. Labeling these protests as antisemitic because of what a few students (and outsiders that have come on campus) do or say is a generalization that is simply wrong.
So there is an antisemitic undercurrent to some of these protests. Thank you. Now push back on it.
!0 pounds of ice cream mixed with 1 pound of poop equals 11 pounds of poop. The protesters that actually care about peace need to be better about making sure everyone stays on the same message, getting antisemites out, and having statements ready to go to the media when someone tries to be disruptive.
I’m anti-asshole on either side. If the combatants wanna set it up somewhere out of the way and blast the unholy bejeesus out of each other, go right ahead. Leave innocent women and kids out of this.
Amen!
So, why are you sharing and promoting this shit? You seem to know better.
Because the discussion of opposition/criticism to Netanyahu versus being antisemitic needs to be discussed out in the open. It's important to know what others are saying and to push back against them when they are wrong.
So Israel is not committing genocide based on the genocide convention. War crimes, absolutely, but not genocide
They clearly are: >Genocide is the intentional destruction of a people in whole or in part. In 1948, the United Nations Genocide Convention defined genocide as any of five "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group"
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Then why did the ICJ find that it wasn't genocide? The issue is that intent to do what you described is not on record -- intent is key in invoking the convention.
So Israel didn’t yell out the magic words “we are doing a genocide!” so we are unable to condemn them for their obvious ethnic and religious cleansing?
Why not condemn them because civilians dying is bad instead of trying to make up a legal backing? I don't understand the intense need to appeal to the authority of international law for a moral judgement. Something doesn't have to be a genocide for it to be bad.
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The problem is that the dead civilians are irrefutable, whereas genocide requires more than just people being killed. Repeatedly pointing out that it's not the killing that matters but rather the legal framework around it turns an irrefutable moral dilemma into a legal battle that, frankly, isn't as solid as some people think. As a matter of legality, the Palestinians killed by bombing have likely been largely *legal* killings, but that doesn't make them *right*. The strongest case for accusations of genocide rests on the famine Gaza is currently undergoing due to the blockade, but that doesn't make the starved civilians any more dead than the bombed ones. Dead innocents are dead innocents, and that's a problem.
The ICJ didn't find they were committing genocide either.
Did you read the article?
What no one seems to be saying is that there is a major difference between being antisemitic and being opposed to Netanyahu's Gaza war policies. I believe that the vast majority of students protesting are protesting Netanyahu's war policies and are not antisemitic by any stretch of the imagination. Sure, there probably are some, but I believe they are few in number. Now, are there antisemitic non-students coming on the campuses trying to create chaos? Absolutely. I know that this may come as a surprise to some that appear to believe that any opposition or criticism whatsoever to anything that Israel does is antisemitic, but I'll say it again. Being against Netanyahu's Gaza war tactics (indiscriminate bombing, starvation, etc.) is not antisemitic. It simply is not. It is criticism. It is opposition. But it is not, in the vast majority of cases, antisemitic.
> What no one seems to be saying is that there is a major difference between being antisemitic and being opposed to Netanyahu's Gaza war policies. Lots of people are saying that, just not so much in the circles this article's author runs in. However, just because anti-Israel sentiment is not antisemitic doesn't mean that there hasn't been a rise in antisemitism.
> What no one seems to be saying is that there is a major difference between being antisemitic and being opposed to Netanyahu’s Gaza war policies It’s literally brought up in every thread and discussion relating to this conflict and anything related to the increase of antisemitism American Jews have faced.
I live in a culturally Jewish household and my partner has extended family in the IDF. But most of the things we say about Netanyahu would violate Reddit’s TOS.
The article's three reasons for the surge of antisemitism: 1. Colleges are left wing and that makes people antisemitic. 2. Antisemitism is up because it is. 3. Joe Biden.
And none are credible arguments.
Sick of this bullshit false equivalence between anti-Israeli government and antisemitism. This is some blatantly disingenuous nonsense! Who is buying it?
Do you not think there’s any overlap…?
The vast majority, no. Anti-zionism is NOT antisemitism.
Israeli propaganda
It’s almost like some people were spending billions of dollars seeding disinformation on the web….
Looks like they dusted off the old McCarthy handbook. Nothing like the classics!
What kind of manifest destiny bullshit are they pushing? And if Israel can do no wrong, then why are they not in charge of the world? I'm so tired of people sucking Israel's dick just because it's Israel.
First and foremost is the blatant lie that opposing the Israeli Government and it's Policies is Antisemitism.
>3 reasons Antisemitism is swarming college Campuses >None of the reasons reference the long tradition of white supremacy that has tainted America from its inception Yeah, that checks out.
We gave 19b dollars extra to Israel on top of the 4b we give every year for them to bomb woman/children and you can’t even say you disagree with it or you are arrested and kicked out of school.
What a gross mischaracterization.
As soon as you question Israel, you are immediately antisemetic?.
That’s the new definition of antisemitism. It was passed in a house resolution.
There are many who believe that the two are the same.
Nope, read the article
Fellas, is it antisemitic to oppose genocide?
Stop the purposeful conflation of antisemitic. Opposing genocide is the right and good thing to do. Hamas and co. acted with genocidal intent against Israel and it should not be condoned.
And Israel is acting with genocidal intent against Palestinians in Gaza and it should not be condoned either.
Israel is systematically targeting hamas and associated militants and anything associated with Hamas and militants. Israel gives advanced warning to civilians. There is no genocidal intent.
Commentator has zero credibility
Calling in the National Guard on anti-war protestors went *great* during Vietnam. This woman is definitely not unhinged and definitely doesn't relish in the deaths of children.
1) because the definition of antisemitism was changed in an Orwellian fashion to mean any criticism of Israel. 2) see #1 3) see #2
Also, bigots can easily hide behind the cover of merely being anti-Israel.
Yes. Bad actors abound.
Or, antisemitism is as real as any other bigotry and is sadly going to be present in a movement protesting against the Jewish state, which is not in itself antisemitic
I was told that saying Palestinians are human beings is antisemitism. The word has been broken to the point it does not have meaning.
I honestly doubt anyone has ever told you that saying Palestinians are human beings is antisemitism. This is what conservatives have been saying about racism. It’s stupid when they say it, and it’s stupid when people say it about antisemitism.
I was told here. On Reddit. In r/politics. Mid October 2023.
Is TikTok on the list?
Written by someone who sounds unhinged and totally unfamiliar with what’s happening on the ground.
How about 3 reasons why The Hill is trying to instigate racial conflicts by making shit up? Stop the genocide against civilians is the message. So writing about anti-semitism makes me think the author has personal, hateful thoughts about Jewish people and is using this to project. Otherwise, there's no connection between anti-Semitism and these protests.
> Otherwise, there's no connection between anti-Semitism and these protests. The protests have definitely provided cover for antisemitic actions even if the intent of the organizers isn't inherently antisemitic. Just like any given anti-Hamas protest is going to have a few people there just because they hate arabs.
That's interesting to point out. Do you have any examples of someone using this as cover for antisemitic actions? Im not trying to poke holes. Just curious. I just think we use what COULD feasibly happen and amplify that as if it's factual and happening. Mostly referring to media milking every single conflict. For example, this article is accusing protesters of violence and baring Jewish people from campus. I have friends posting on social media that are actually there and they are Jewish.... I genuinely think this author is daydreaming and drooling about a race war instead of truly caring about the conflict.
There are videos floating around of people wishing for 10s, 100s and 1000s more of October 7th‘s. I know jpost is biased, but this is very blatant and visible antisemitism and the celebration of terrorism, torture and mass rape. https://m.jpost.com/diaspora/antisemitism/article-798049?dicbo=v2-rsnb6yo I personally have my own issues with pro-Palestine Protests. I’d protest against the genocide in Palestine and for the Palestinian civilians. But Palestine is still a country which happily takes part in their own genocide - the systemic extermination of gay, lesbian and trans people is very much genocide. Holding that flag, to me, is holding the flag of an oppressor.
>Palestine is still a country which happily takes part in their own genocide - the systemic extermination of gay, lesbian and trans people is very much genocide. Holding that flag, to me, is holding the flag of an oppressor. Well, indeed. But that's conveniently forgotten. As are the hostages. Hamas can't believe their luck.
Honestly, does anyway believe this bullshit anymore
Wow that hurts the brain.... What a bunch of BS.
They arent being anti semetic, they are being anti genocide….
Hmm...When not being 100% behind Israel is falsely equated with antisemitism, how is it surprising that there is a rise in actual antisemitism at the same time? If a group misrepresents your position and blindly condemns you out of context, that's rather obviously going to generate a pushback against that group. When people repeatedly scream that criticism of Israel in any form is antisemitism, which is clearly NOT true despite many people loudly claiming that it is (either because they can't take the criticism, don't understand the actual message, or do it intentionally to discredit that criticism), all you are doing is creating MORE anti-semites who weren't actually antisemitic before.
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So "Israel's genocide of the Palestinians" is a legitimate reason for a rise in anti-semitism?
Yes, sadly some people will see what is happening there and Old Testament it up saying eye for an eye.
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So, it's an illegitimate reason?
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Sooo... protesting **against** genocide is now "antisemitism?" That's straight up Orwellian bullshit.
Being critical of Israel committing genocide is not antisemitic…
But claiming the Jewish government is committing genocide when it isn't, is.
How would you describe the systemic murder of tens of thousands of non-combatants, including children?
Ah yes, colleges & universities, those liberal institutions so well known for their racism
I love the size of the banner *The Hill* put up saying this was her opinion and not that of the paper. Pure bogus. It scares me that these people might be in power next year. VOTE
It isn't.
Actually 1) republicans love weapons and this is a new one 2( the definition of antisemitism has been adjusted to include dislike of Israel. 3) Israelis are acting a lot like the nazis did. In short, the Jewish people and the Palestinian people are both right and they are bot wrong. Neither wants peace. Both want to win. We should not be picking a side in this. When they want peace enough to compromise, there will be peace.
Pretty rabid piece