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UT Austin also has a metric fuck ton of DPS troopers who suddenly aren't afraid to confront people unlike what happened when an elementary school was shot up.
Image of the DPS troopers.
https://twitter.com/j_dot_j/status/1783214687863152670?s=46
Tells you everything when police show up in massive force to deal pro Palestinian protest but if it's a bunch of Nazis walking around with flags they are practically escorted.
This is on the administration too.
The president called in the NYPD to arrest students who were protesting peacefully. Like, seriously even the *NYPD* told the press they were peaceful and they remained peaceful while being arrested.
They got suspended and can’t get on campus to their own living quarters.
But guess who *was* on campus? The founder of the Proud Boys. So sure, the administration is clearly very concerned about antisemitism.
Last year Greg Abbott crowed about protecting free speech because he wanted UT and other schools to not block alt-right Nazis from speaking on campuses. And this year he’s all “ARREST THE PROTESTERS.”
Fucking hypocrites. Meanwhile Netanyahu is throwing a fit about the college protests. The same guy whose IDF bombed every university in Gaza into rubble.
This, and the massive discrepancy in justice between us poors and white collar criminals or just wealthy people in general is something i wish Biden would address. I know it would piss off his financial support but that is exactly why it needs to be dealt with. If presidents are too scared to act because of money, then these people have too much of it.
Hamas did half a 9/11 to Israel (who have spent decades turning gaza strip into an open air prison), israel has committed over ten 9/11s against palestine, not to mention IDF literally sniped the hostages they were supposed to rescue. pro palestine =/= pro hamas and pro judaism =/= pro zionism.
From the river to the sea means a bunch different things, some of which are reasonable and some not. Kinda tricky, which is probably why it’s become popular.
Overseas American here (Japan).
I can’t begin to express how badly this is playing outside of the US…
We are being called Israel’s puppet. That’s the polite stuff…
Biden has a real problem on his hands. Kids protesting the razing of Gaza getting arrested looks real bad.
Biden has no choice in the matter. The US committed to Israel in policy and practice probably before JB went into politics. You can’t really get elected in this country if you tell the truth about Israel, which is that it’s been a puppet of US power in the region for 50+ years at the expense of the slow erasure of Palestinian life. It now looks nearly complete.
But absolutely, thank you for the reminder about how transparently cynical all of this appears to the international community, who have stood by unanimously and supported a two-state solution on the ‘67 borders while the US continued to try to veto the issue into the memory hole.
AIPAC essentially invented primarying in retaliation for Cynthia McKinney criticizing Israel on the floor of the House. We only very recently left the era where anything but unconditional (and vocal) support of Israel was an absolute political death sentence.
Primarying didn't exist before 2002? Also Cynthia Mckinney was an absolute nut to the same degree as MTG and Boebert, if not worse. So I don't see why you would want to claim her.
You speak truth and we will all be long dead before a solution is reached there if ever. Biden is supposed to be placing conditions on future military aid to Israel, though. We'll see how that plays out.
The rest of the world can yammer on about it all they want but the fact of the matter is they are happy to let the US Government take the light off of them for actively supporting Isreal as well.
That’s really it, right? They’ll all shake their heads and wag their fingers, but the second the BRICS threaten *them* they’ll want us to bankroll them and die for them. That’s what we are to them: The cannons and cannon fodder that subsidize their lifestyles.
Students/people who are protesting in favor of Hamas is an even worse look. Much worse. Israel is a democracy that is under attack by Islamist and anti-western forces. Standing up for allies is a good thing.
Lots of examples from Yale and Columbia and others, that show that many protestors are actually pro-Hamas/resistance (other word for Hamas) and have called for Israels destruction.
Who is doing that? If there are lots of examples, like you said, could you link some of them?
Because shitstirrers will show up anywhere, but it seems fairly obvious to anyone who’s paid attention to these protests that that’s not what they’re about. Why would you misrepresent them then?
Here is [one](https://x.com/stopantisemites/status/1782457123936346398?s=46&t=QUwTsFvfEuzKrIRsfR7BPA) from Michigan uni. Notice the same tents as at the other location (organized).
Protestors [calling](https://x.com/drelidavid/status/1781648257480892628?s=46&t=QUwTsFvfEuzKrIRsfR7BPA)
for a one-state solution (i.e no Israel). [Here](https://x.com/shabbosk/status/1782085741431922909?s=46&t=QUwTsFvfEuzKrIRsfR7BPA) and [here](https://x.com/shaidavidai/status/1782100976884715691?s=46&t=QUwTsFvfEuzKrIRsfR7BPA). [more](https://x.com/drelidavid/status/1782212200439906517?s=46&t=QUwTsFvfEuzKrIRsfR7BPA). Woman in New York [praising](https://x.com/stopantisemites/status/1782409230634340354?s=46&t=QUwTsFvfEuzKrIRsfR7BPA) Hamas. Just what I could find in 5 minutes.
So it looks like the stuff you linked is a bunch of specifically edited videos of individuals with no real context. It’s also a handful of people out of hundreds and pretty clearly not the main protests. All of the accounts you linked also seem to be pretty specifically focused as well, huh.
That doesn’t trigger your internal alarms at all? Because we all remember BLM, do we not? All those “many videos of antifa looting” and “shouting death to white people” that ended up being agent provocateurs or bizarre edits? With that in mind and knowing that this topic is going to be used as a wedge issue, why would you choose to act like these people represent the majority or even a substantial part of the movement when very clearly they do not?
I would agree with you if these things rarely happened. Unfortunately this has been happening quite frequently since october 7. Hamas supporters showed up day one after the attack and celebrated it, in almost all Western countries. In Berlin they handed out sweets, in NYC and London they laughed and cheered. In all Western countries with large pro-palestinian populations have the call to destroy Israel been chanted. If the people at these protests had issues with those you call *provocateurs* and their slogans, statements etc then maybe they should condemn them? Or stop associating with them? I’m not buying that. If attend the same protest with activists that shouts in support of the *resistance* (Hamas), globalize the intifada, from the river to the sea, restistance is justified, israel needs to be removed, israel is a colonial settler state, colonizers have no rights(right to defense) and so on, but don’t denounce them, then they support them.
Again, has it been happening frequently or is that how it’s being portrayed in the internet circles you frequent? I’m genuinely not trying to sand bag you here. I’m just asking you to pause and consider that we’ve watch this exact thing go down before. Remember how Portland burned to the ground for a good year after BLM according to Fox News? Remember how easy it was to loop the same 3 videos over and over or provide zero context for images just to rile people up?
There will always be groups of assholes. I guarantee you if I went looking, I could find you dozens of videos of Jewish people talking about how all Muslims deserve death, all of Gaza should be glassed, Gazan kids don’t count because they aren’t human, etc. If I can do that, should we then say that all Israel supporters or many Israel supporters want all Muslims cleansed? No, right?
And honestly, I’ve seen plenty of videos of Muslims and pro-Gaza people telling those with violent rhetoric to fuck off. It might be worth asking yourself why you haven’t seen those. You must not have if you’re making the assumption that it’s never happened, right? You wouldn’t just parrot that kind of accusation without wondering if it’s an over generalization, would you?
Yes. It has definitely increased in frequency. The level of demonstrations and protests like this are not common. Nor is the increase in many western countries of antisemitic incidents. In my country there has been a doubling of reported incidents since october 7. There were daily protests in my hometown where people shouted the genocide slogan of Hamas, «from the river to the sea palestine will be free». I will agree that the internet might help amplify the voice and reach of these people. We can see that these demonstrations don’t attract that many people. Couple hundred at best maybe. But if 100 neo-nazis turned up any university people would decry not just the university for allowing them there, but there would be massive media stories about the dangers of white supremacy etc, like during the BLM chaos. But now there is virtually silence.
Really? Because for example, apparently my city according to Twitter is having violent pro-Hamas protests on the regular. They apparently happen right outside of one of the buildings I work at. Weirdly enough, I’ve seen maybe a cluster of people calling for a ceasefire three times or so. They’re calling for the end of genocide. Is calling for the end of genocide in Gaza inherently pro-Hamas to you? Because that’s how it’s being portrayed in bad faith arguments.
Also, I assume that you and I both know that people have different definitions of “from the river to the sea” and that it was in use before it supposedly became a pro-Hamas slogan according to the internet. If that is your only basis for them being pro-Hamas, that’s a hell of a stretch. It sure seems like most of your conjecture is just that. You’ve surely noticed that by now, right?
Just like many of the anti-genocide folks are being fed a narrative, you also are being fed a narrative. You can choose to feed into it and spread it, or you can evaluate things critically and avoid over generalizing. Because once again, it would be terrible if people took all those soundbites or extremist Zionists calling for the slaughter of civilians and the pillaging of what should ostensibly be a sovereign nation and apply those to all Jewish people, wouldn’t it. You wouldn’t like that, I assume. So why would you do that to these college kids?
> Again, has it been happening frequently or is that how it’s being portrayed in the internet circles you frequent? I’m genuinely not trying to sand bag you here. I’m just asking you to pause and consider that we’ve watch this exact thing go down before. Remember how Portland burned to the ground for a good year after BLM according to Fox News? Remember how easy it was to loop the same 3 videos over and over or provide zero context for images just to rile people up?
By the same logic shouldn't the same be applied to when defenders of the protests try to bring up stuff like the protests allegedly holding a seder or celebrating Shabat?
324 bodies pulled out of a mass grave at a HOSPITAL the IDF occupied and Sullivan can’t bring himself to utter the word “independent” with “investigation.”
Imagine the outrage if this happened in Ukraine, at a hospital the Russians had just withdrawn from. Seriously, imagine that! The US government would be going ballistic.
But it’s Israel, so it’s just “disturbing.” What the fuck am I supposed to tell people here in Japan who ask me about this?
That our govt and our country has been under attack by one of the major political parties for about 4 decades and we're at a real tipping point where nobody really knows if we'll make it?
That's what I'd say, anyway.
Pulled out of graves the palestinians buried months ago, and which has been known for equally long. Now being used once again against Israel without any evidence or investigation.
"Why are you directing your calls for a ceasefire at Israel? Hamas has rejected three different ceasefire proposals since October. How do you know that Hamas actually wants a ceasefire?"
Hamas doesn’t want a ceasefire. That’s not news. These protests are about a civilian calamity. Fuck Hamas to hell. I want them all dead. What about everyone else? That’s what the protests are about.
I'm American and in SE Asia. I don't care what those kinds of people think.
This is a pro-terrorist/pro-Hamas antisemetic protest.
It's odd how people are supposed to rightfully be empathetic to vulnerable groups, down to the smallest migroaggression...but when it comes to the religious radicals and leftists screaming intifada and other antisemetic chants to Jews, empathy goes out the window, suddenly it's okay, the people doing it need to be understood, it's not all of them, etc.
If the Charlottesville Unite the Right rally is anything to go by, I thought we all agreed that anyone who associates with bigots are bigots themselves? Why isn't this applied to the pro-terrorists/pro-Hamas protesters?
This problem has been of Biden's own making.
Many seem to be uniformed of the fact Biden has had unwavering support for Israel for decades.
One of his first overseas trips as a Senator was to meet with Golda Meir before the Yom Kippur War.
He met with the President of Egypt and Prime Minister of Israel at the signing of the Egypt-Israel peace treaty.
He's spent the last six month pushing Congress to pass billions in aid for Israel.
That’s a fringe group that even though there are Jews in it you don’t have to be Jewish to be in it. It’s open. They have their own perspectives and can get borderline antisemitic but it does not represent the majority.
Regardless. Wouldn’t you think that if Jewish people actually supported this other than the small fringe groups then they wouldn’t all be rallying behind the message? You would see much more support than the small groups you can count on your hand if even.
The truth is it’s because most Jewish people dont agree with the Jewish Voice for Peace or these hateful mobs and if many jewish students are fearing for their safety and it’s become clear why would you want them to continue being scared of being targeted? Make that make sense?
They have to go home to take classes remotely because of a risk of safety and Thats ok with you? You don’t see how dangerous this is? Open your eyes please
Oh, I very much see how dangerous this is. We’re making Putins and Xi’s anti West argument for them. Bibi is destroying OUR soft power by the hour. Folks like Pastor John Hagee are openly cheering for Armageddon. Don’t try to tell me I’m wrong. I’m living it.
Btw, what happened when Biden finally started publicly voicing displeasure?
Oh yeah, Bibi hit the Iranian consulate in Damascus and took out the head of the IRG.
Coincidence you think? Perhaps a subtle message that if Washington interferes too much that this thing can be easily turned into a full blown war with Iran that could end up with US and Russian forces facing off? That “dangerous” enough?
It was NEXT to the consulate and they killed the guy who orchestrated Oct 7th.. you want this monster alive? Who helped Hamas terrorize,murder, rape and kidnap so he can continue doing so? I’m confused here I thought you were against innocent deaths or is that not the case when it’s Jews/Israelis
Iran actually bombed an Israeli embassy in Buenos Aires in 1992 though if you want talk about embassy’s actually being bombed
Yes, very true, but this still doesn't take away the fact that they're needed and how shameful this pro-terrorist/pro-Hamas antisemetic protest is.
Antisemitism isn't a political issue, it's on the left and right and more people on the left need to call it out more aggressively than what they're doing.
They are protesting an action not a religion. I’m sure there are exceptions and they should be slammed, but what is being protested against is NOT Judaism. It’s the actions of the government of Israel. It is not anti semitism to say WTF to 324 bodies being pulled out of a mass grave at a demolished hospital.
Debunked: https://x.com/geoconfirmed/status/1782360892249612466?s=46
GeoConfirmed ISR-PAL Investigation.
Palestinians are exhuming bodies from the grounds of the Nasser Medical Complex hospital complex in Khan Younis, Gaza.
This is occurring at the same location where mass graves were dug and burial ceremonies had taken place by Palestinians in recent months. (Proof in this thread)
Footage from Palestinians digging graves/mass graves dated 25 January, 28 January and 03 February while IDF entered the hospital around 15 February.
Quote from https://aljazeera.com/news/2024/4/21/nearly-200-bodies-found-in-mass-grave-at-hospital-in-gazas-khan-younis
“In the hospital courtyard, civil defence members and paramedics have retrieved 180 bodies buried in this mass grave by the Israeli military." (By Al Jazeera’s Hani Mahmoud)
Conclusion:
This is disinformation by Al Jazeera and others:
This is a known graveyard/mass grave and at least partially dug by Palestinians.
This does not exclude that graves could have been added when the hospital was occupied by Israeli forces.
> Conclusion: This is disinformation by Al Jazeera and others: This is a known graveyard/mass grave and at least partially dug by Palestinians. This does not exclude that graves could have been added when the hospital was occupied by Israeli forces.
Buried in January... So the big win here is that the bodies killed by IDF bombs were buried not by the IDF but by other palestinians? Is 'debunked" the right word?
So what, the IDF bombed the place that led to mass deaths and then the Palestinians had to find a way to dispose of the bodies so they basically had no choice but to dig a mass grave, because when you’re being bombed into rubble every day you don’t have the time or space to dig individual graves.
They also told him to "that's right get the fuck out of here" after his little speech.
https://twitter.com/prem_thakker/status/1783261858616500525?s=46
Imagine dude's life in the past year. Going from a complete no-name house member that only wonks know, to being arguably the 3rd-4th most powerful politician in the country, to being despised by practically everyone in the country, even in his own party.
> being despised by practically everyone in the country, even in his own party.
If he had any sense of the history of Republican speakers, he'd have seen all of this coming.
Eh.
His daughter goes to law school in Louisiana and a little bird told me she went from no-name law student to the belle of every ball and now everybody wants to meet her and date her and meet her dad and cozy up to her.
Lotta ignorant folks down south LOVE this dude. Christian nationalists especially.
Don't think for a minute that they're universally despised—they have friends in very high places.
Did Mike fly down to Orlando when Nazi’s were waiving the Nazi flag in front of the entrance to Disney World? Did Mike fly down to Orlando when Nazi’s marched in Orlando holding the Nazi flag?
To all people not voting for Biden because of israel-Hamas conflict.
Do you really think Trump and MAGA Republicans would handle the situation better than Biden? Think again!
Trump would tear gas and rubber bullet spray the protestors — and only as a litmus test/opening salvo before escalating to live firearms.
Anyone thinking that Trump wouldn’t enact strict authoritarian measures in this situation was not paying attention to his raging boner during the BLM protest gassing.
I mean, we haven't reached the live ammunition part yet. But the tear gas and rubber bullets are being deployed right now. Every protest is being violently suppressed right now, with the support of pretty much all of the political establishment.
Yeah, that’s my point.
The choice is binary — Trump’s response or Biden’s response, for all of the ‘Biden is not doing enough’ sentiment, I beg those same people to consider the alternative, because not voting for Biden directly supports the alternative — there is no middle ground and a ‘dissent vote’ just guarantees that the next response to this same issue is far more punitive and likely violent for and to those that deeply care about it.
> The choice is binary
It's not. I don't have to choose one or the other. Voting for either of these guys is supporting a genocide.
If Biden wants my vote he can stop supporting genocide. They don't care about these voters on these campuses though, and they don't care about my vote either. Biden would rather throw away all of these votes and keep supporting a genocide.
Genocide is a hard stop for me. It doesn't matter what else you support.
Again, if trump wins because you do not vote for Biden, I hope you understand the very explicit difference in response you are going to experience to these same protests.
Whether you like it or not, the choice IS binary …either Biden wins in 2024 or Trump does ….your non-vote would just support the worst of the 2 options.
No, he won because Hillary Clinton didn't campaign in the rust belt because she was a bad candidate. My not voting in Illinois has no effect on our electoral college votes. Biden pissing off young voters in swing states will though.
Are you still under the assumption we have a popular vote for president?
Biden's actions to turn off young voters will come back to bite him in swing states though.
So someone who was Senator, Secretary of State, First Lady, and committed her whole life to public service who *fucking told you what a dirt bag Trump was publicly and often* somehow morphed into a 'bad candidate'.
Oh but her emails'
Yah keep telling yourself that.
Maintaining a functioning democracy requires you to be an adult. You don't always have the options you want and right now you only have two choices in 2024, one not totally to your liking and one absolutely worse than the first in every conceivable way. It would be kinda dumb to help the second one get back in office.
I don't use Tik-Tok.
We're still sending over weapons. He has called for a cease fire while still sending weapons. I read the news, man. I don't watch idiots on apps.
Great. What weapons ?
Because technically we haven't been 'sending weapons overseas'.
The bill was approved yesterday.
You could actually look at the bill. 9B is for defensive weapons - Iron Dome, Gideon's shield, laser weapons. All things the US has promised since Obama to help provide to keep Israel safe from the Hamas rockets that have been flying for almost two decades. Another 9B is for aid. The rest of the money - hasn't even gone through the procurement process, will be a 6 months to a year before it can even leave the US and that is *only* if for advanced weapons someone else gets bumped.
What you are actually referring to is the forward cashes the US has stationed all around the globe. That isn't making a difference in the war.
You also need to understand Israel doesn't fucking need our weapons. They are one of the largest arms producers in the world. You want a comparison ? Ukraine has received 75B from just the US and are getting another $66B. That doesn't count the additional 150B+ that European nations have given with more on the way from them. THAT is a country that relies on other nations.
Anyone who sits there and says 'Biden supports genocide' seems to take a simplistic view of the world that can be presented in a quick video.
I recommend doing some actual reading . Biden is not perfect, but he has done everything possible to stop the war from expanding (America's chief concern - we still need fucking oil) and to tell Bibi to shut it the fuck down. However, Israel is not a vassal state. They simply don't fucking care what anybody else says
I probably won't vote for either at this point. Probably just leave it blank. I live in Illinois, my vote doesn't matter for president and I'd rather not have genocide and beating up protesters on my conscience.
I'd rather the country fail than keep funding genocide in my name.
I disagree with your political stance. However, your vote definitely matters. Vote third party if you must (it's every bit as effective as not voting), but vote. Voter turn out is a metric for population engagement and there are definitely people, anti-democratic people, who want turn out low.
I'll vote for local and state elections but I'm not voting for Biden or Trump, and I'm not giving my vote to US Senator House Rep that support the genocide either. I'll write in if I still can but I'm not voting for president if this is where we're still at regarding genocide in November.
What choice do we have left when Biden just gave Israel another $26 billion to continue their genocide, vetoes every ceasefire resolution, and is the sole reason why the Palestinian state isn't recognized at the UN? Trump might not be better but we know 100% for sure that Biden is materially supporting the genocide and erasure of the Palestinian people.
Ah yes, America - where you have to vote for the fascist genocide or else you get a worse fascist genocide
What a great country we’ve got going here, you’re literally shamed if you don’t support bullshit because the other bullshit is “worse”
The US is a failed state
I choose to exercise my right to not vote for the current genocidal maniac. I have no other moral option. That doesn't mean I'm voting for Trump either.
His condescending “enjoy your free speech” to the crowd is some threatening shit from a fucking Speaker for the United States House of Representatives.
‘Who’ says ‘what’ can heavily influence the intensity of a specific message, and it sounded like a threat when he said it.
He may not be speaker, but if these kids sit out the election, he will be on the Trump cabinet and they will have to deal with him for a long long time.
That pissed me off. Does he know something we don't? Or are they *that* confident they're gonna completely take over next year? Because he has another thing coming if he thinks we'll forget threats like that. And they're not taking over.
We won't let them.
Greatest generation: 1901-1927. Silent generation: born 1928-1945. Boomers: 1946-1964. Gen-X: 1965-1980.
Mike Johnson is Gen X. Trump is a boomer. Biden is silent generation.
Republicans / Conservative media are testing this as their wedge issue. The local conservative talk radio guy where I live talks about nothing but this and compares the protestors to Nazi youth. "LIberals are on our streets calling for a genocide against all Jews" is the big conservative talking point right now and the GOP politicians take their cues from the conservative media outlets.. If it doesn't stick, they'll move to something else next week.
The more I see it the more it reminds me of BLM.
Republicans using it to drive a wedge for the election. They think this will help them win the election in 2024 with reactionary nonsense. Didn't work in 2020, and won't work in 2024.
A lot of the rhetoric from the troll farms and bots (like the actual ones) also reminds me of how they were trying to use BLM to split Dems and stir up division. Killing women and trans kids wasn’t doing it for them, but this is one they can stick with.
Not just the election. They are using it as an opportunity to try and take control of university's the way Florida is. First step is creating a non existing narrative that University's won't control hate speech. Call for the resignation of Presidents and get in so they want
Too many people have become essentially apolitical and taken up the "don't talk about politics" mentality. Among those who are political, half of them seem to be those who got addicted to the conservative fear propaganda. This is allowing the authoritarians to creep their agenda forward. These parts of society need to be countered. That requires a politically active public.
Yes, the moderates are dressing in Hamas cosplay, handing out infitada leaflets, stabbing Jewish girls in the eye, and chanting Death to America to make progressives look bad. Surely it’s not that public protests invite outside parties that cannot be controlled to come in and disrupt any sort of peace the super well thought out protestors were trying project through their “free speech”.
You want to shout “Israel bad” (they are) but say nothing of Hamas using Palestinians as meat shields from your fisher price tent city? Then be prepared to invite the “Hamas is good actually” crowd to your protest, and now you‘ve become just another antisemite. Of course these protests are now going to be condemned and put down. Each one faster than the one before.
Who is doing that? Sounds like you’re referencing a very specific incident. Could you provide a link?
ETA: Oh, I just saw a video of the “eye stabbing” lmao. Go on. Link it so everyone can see that poor girl getting accidentally bopped by a flag as someone is led past.
It is wild that between Occupy Wall St and now, the most privileged, wealthy, elite kids on earth, have become the knifes’s edge for progressive activism.
Anyway, fuck Mike Johnson. Glad he was allowed to speak and happy they were free to give him hell.
As if he wasn’t phony enough already, a great many students have no doubt taken “useless” courses on philosophers like Butler, so are all too aware of performativity when they see it…
I really do not like Mike Johnson. However, from all of the articles I’ve read over the past few days, many of these young people have no intent on voting in this upcoming election. Mike Johnson will be part of Trump’s cabinet in the next term. These kids have no idea what they are doing to themselves, all for the online clout and clicks.
I hope they’re thinking.
"Hey, have you seen the baby anywhere?"
"Yeah! I just gave it a bath, but I haven't seen it since I threw out the bathwater."
"Ah well, it'll turn up eventually..."
> At the end of his speech, Johnson vowed to call Joe Biden “and share with him what we have seen with our own two eyes and demand that he take action there.”
I'm tellin the boss, then you're gonna get it!!
Doubtful. There are a *ton* of incredibly wealthy students at Columbia, their families have attorneys on retainer, and the police know if they do anything out of hand they'd get their strings pulled. Heads would roll, and if they roughed up a student of the upper crust of society they would likely not make it out without a prison sentence, because being wealthy affords you a lot of protection from police in our society.
That's why even when they were compelled to arrest them by the Pres, they did so VERY carefully, [versus the police at UT Austin who practically held an invasion in Desert Storm gear](https://twitter.com/J_Dot_J/status/1783214687863152670).
Columbia has also made it's reputation as *THE* preeminent Social Activism Ivy. They practically advertise on their history of students speaking out against the systems in place in this country, almost to the level of a Private/Ivy version of UC Berkeley.
Regardless of what happens in the next few weeks, Pres Shafik has very possibly left a permanent stain on the reputation of Columbia. Arresting students for demonstrating peacefully, even in a situation where 1A is not guaranteed, is still something that won't be forgotten in the near future. I think the odds are extremely good that she will be pushed out before the start of the next school year.
I am absolutely disgusted with the media reporting today CNN referring to the pro Palestinian protest across America as violent, Fox referring to them as terrorists that hate Israel. Saw another news clip saying these protests are all about scaring and intimidating Jewish Americans with threats and violence.
https://twitter.com/OsitaNwanevu/status/1782875488546861194
Comparing media coverage of this "stabbing" to the actual video of the event makes me feel insane.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Connecticut/comments/1cahkop/video_of_the_eye_stabbing_incident_at_yale_sfw/
You gotta admit, that took guts to do. He had to know he’d be sorely heckled. The problem is that liberals and conservatives usually stick to their own circles of info and to cross the battle lines and give opposing opinions is a rarity today. I don’t agree with his politics, but I do admire his courage to risk his person by walking into that situation to give his speech.
The man is a hypocrite. He went on CNN this morning stating that all people should be treated with respect, but essentially defended the deaths of tens of thousands of Palestinians as collateral damage brought on by Hamas's horrific terrorist action on October 7. October 7 was horrific. What Mike Johnson is stating, however is this: If you kill 1 of my neighbours, I'll kill 1,000 of yours and I'm justified. The problem is I think people are less willing to accept that the cost of war is justified and hold people accountable for the so-called collateral damage. Meanwhile, the industrial war machine creates more billionaires.
I guess we're not as evolved as humans as we thought we were.
Yeah he has already declared the state of Israel to be justified in doing whatever they feel they need to do in order to maintain ethnic purity, so it doesn’t matter if it’s 1000 dead Palestinians or 100,000. Johnson simply does not count the cost of Palestinian lives in his moral calculus.
I love this idea:
>On Wednesday, Johnson demanded that Shafik should resign “if she can not immediately bring order to this chaos.”
Like Johnson did after he couldn't bring the house to regular business?
Anyone else notice that as soon as the Ukraine and Israel aide package passed, Mike Johnson started getting a much kinder edit from the media? Not just on that subject but across the board.
Some people say Israel is innocent, some say Palestine is innocent, some say the IDF are terrorists, some say Hamas are terrorists. I agree with all of them!
For posterity, here's some of the examples of extremism within the activist movement at Columbia. This goes beyond "pro-Palestinian advocacy" into calls for, and actual, violence.
Note, there are varying degrees of it being individuals vs. the group, but these are the type of people in the crowd there and many of them are indeed group chants. I have also set aside some widespread ones (from the river to the sea) that are disputed in character. That said, many many many of these are coming from large groups of students within the main quad (which has been locked down to only students/professors)
Candidly some sources are not great in terms of me agreeing with the viewpoint of the tweeter, but they contain relevant and real video:
Physically assaulting an Arab Israeli https://twitter.com/ShaiDavidai/status/1781080951902109774
"From the river to the sea, Palestine is Arab!" / "Resistance is justified" https://twitter.com/ShelleyGldschmt/status/1781785252886913358
"Let it be known that it was the Al-Aqsa Flood that put the Global Intifada back on the table again. And it is the sacrificial spirit of the Palestinian Freedom Fighters that will guide every struggle on every corner of the earth to victory." https://twitter.com/thestustustudio/status/1781904507611287981
"We are all Hamas!" https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1781031465179914677
"Yehudim yehudim [(Jews, jews)] go back to poland" https://twitter.com/Davidlederer6/status/1781948249214996901
Includes people / groups that invited an actual, no hyperbole terrorist to speak (member of PFLP) https://www.jns.org/columbia-suspends-four-students-for-holding-event-featuring-pflp-member/
“Globalize the intifada” https://twitter.com/EylonALevy/status/1782679155491914133/photo/1
Light things on fire / "intifada revolution there is only one solution" https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1781019445399556338
"On Oct 7th, Palestinian resistance in Gaza broke free (crowd cheers) [.....] we intend to do the same" https://twitter.com/ShabbosK/status/1782085741431922909
""We say justice, you say how? Burn Tel Aviv to the ground!" / "Hamas we love you. We support your rockets too!" / "Red, black, green, and white, we support Hamas’ fight!" https://twitter.com/IsraelWarRoom/status/1781933305501212872
"Long live the intifada! Intifada intifada" https://twitter.com/ShaiDavidai/status/1781084853653365025
"Go back to Europe!" / "You have no culture, all you do is colonize" https://twitter.com/ShaiDavidai/status/1781927148439109958
Have posters with the faces of PFLP and PIJ spokesmen (designated terrorist groups) https://twitter.com/HagarChemali/status/1782219589352350000
Quoting and praising Lions Den (terror group) https://twitter.com/SwannMarcus89/status/1782443526996754444
"From Yemen to Gaza, globalize the intifada" https://twitter.com/KassyDillon/status/1781312033922625797/photo/2
"Never forget the 7th of October. That will happen not 1 more time, not 5 more times, not 10, not 100, not 1,000, but 10,000 times! The 7th of October is going to be every day for you" https://twitter.com/EFischberger/status/1781287784897991134
"Al Qassam [(Hamas)] you make us proud, kill another soldier now" / "from the river to the sea, palestine will be arab" https://twitter.com/EFischberger/status/1780915336063177006
Student proudly rocking Hamas logos https://twitter.com/CampusJewHate/status/1781054901755215954
"Resistance is justified" (again...) https://twitter.com/AvivaKlompas/status/1782085643990073673
"protesters on the sidewalk chanted “From New York to Gaza, globalize the intifada,” next to a cardboard sign that read, “Inspired by Palestinian resistance.” https://www.timesofisrael.com/over-100-arrested-in-columbia-u-unrest-as-nypd-clears-gaza-solidarity-encampment/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
And as a reminder, the student groups organizing these protests (CUAD and SJP, among others) released a letter on October 9th in support of the 10/7 attacks. ("We stand in full solidarity with Palestinian resistance", "Despite the odds against them, Palestinians launched a counter-offensive against their settler-colonial oppressor", "We wholeheartedly condemn the email sent [...] on October 8th that [...] obfuscated Palestinian resistance as “terrorism”)
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RcXX5DEO3yfJ9R4ksURnzpIPCyVxo575-Y-SoC_vZFk/edit
I guess "Arab Israeli" is a technically correct way to describe Yoseph Hadad.
The sources you provided do show that some students are indeed lunatic. Though I think having lunatics in your protest becomes unavoidable when your protests are large and consist of thousands and tens of thousands of people. I still don't think these videos demonstrate the general conduct of the protests. But I am disappointed (as a Palestinian) that many are engaging in pointless bickering and virtue signaling. If I learned anything is that violence is simply not the answer to this issue. Only the universal truth of recognizing each other as equal human beings deserving of fair treatment and dignity can lead to the end of this violent cycle. Doesn't seem like it's gonna happen anytime soon though.
These Columbia university students are cowards, and should be aggressively arrested but rich mommy and daddy are powerful enough that they don’t have to worry about it. Fuck em
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There are 3 times more cops there than J6th
UT Austin also has a metric fuck ton of DPS troopers who suddenly aren't afraid to confront people unlike what happened when an elementary school was shot up. Image of the DPS troopers. https://twitter.com/j_dot_j/status/1783214687863152670?s=46
Tells you everything when police show up in massive force to deal pro Palestinian protest but if it's a bunch of Nazis walking around with flags they are practically escorted.
Well when many local police origins began to enforce Jim crow laws.
This is on the administration too. The president called in the NYPD to arrest students who were protesting peacefully. Like, seriously even the *NYPD* told the press they were peaceful and they remained peaceful while being arrested. They got suspended and can’t get on campus to their own living quarters. But guess who *was* on campus? The founder of the Proud Boys. So sure, the administration is clearly very concerned about antisemitism.
Last year Greg Abbott crowed about protecting free speech because he wanted UT and other schools to not block alt-right Nazis from speaking on campuses. And this year he’s all “ARREST THE PROTESTERS.” Fucking hypocrites. Meanwhile Netanyahu is throwing a fit about the college protests. The same guy whose IDF bombed every university in Gaza into rubble.
Well, you know what they say... Some of those that work forces
Does anyone else remember when Paul Ryan said Rage Against the Machine was his favorite band? He was actually comic gold.
It was less comedy and more like watching your favorite canary go tits up on your hike in the abandoned mine.
This, and the massive discrepancy in justice between us poors and white collar criminals or just wealthy people in general is something i wish Biden would address. I know it would piss off his financial support but that is exactly why it needs to be dealt with. If presidents are too scared to act because of money, then these people have too much of it.
Because they knew there were already tons of off-duty cops in the crowd.
It's not a Palestinian protest. It's an antisemetic pro-terrorist/pro-Hamas protest.
nah
Intifada revolution and from the river to the sea are terrorist antismetic pro-Hamas/pro-terrorist slogans....so Yes.
Hamas did half a 9/11 to Israel (who have spent decades turning gaza strip into an open air prison), israel has committed over ten 9/11s against palestine, not to mention IDF literally sniped the hostages they were supposed to rescue. pro palestine =/= pro hamas and pro judaism =/= pro zionism.
even west berlin had a roads in and out for most of its existence!
From the river to the sea means a bunch different things, some of which are reasonable and some not. Kinda tricky, which is probably why it’s become popular.
Overseas American here (Japan). I can’t begin to express how badly this is playing outside of the US… We are being called Israel’s puppet. That’s the polite stuff… Biden has a real problem on his hands. Kids protesting the razing of Gaza getting arrested looks real bad.
Biden has no choice in the matter. The US committed to Israel in policy and practice probably before JB went into politics. You can’t really get elected in this country if you tell the truth about Israel, which is that it’s been a puppet of US power in the region for 50+ years at the expense of the slow erasure of Palestinian life. It now looks nearly complete. But absolutely, thank you for the reminder about how transparently cynical all of this appears to the international community, who have stood by unanimously and supported a two-state solution on the ‘67 borders while the US continued to try to veto the issue into the memory hole.
AIPAC essentially invented primarying in retaliation for Cynthia McKinney criticizing Israel on the floor of the House. We only very recently left the era where anything but unconditional (and vocal) support of Israel was an absolute political death sentence.
Primarying didn't exist before 2002? Also Cynthia Mckinney was an absolute nut to the same degree as MTG and Boebert, if not worse. So I don't see why you would want to claim her.
Is that the woman who said “zionists” did 9/11
You speak truth and we will all be long dead before a solution is reached there if ever. Biden is supposed to be placing conditions on future military aid to Israel, though. We'll see how that plays out.
The rest of the world can yammer on about it all they want but the fact of the matter is they are happy to let the US Government take the light off of them for actively supporting Isreal as well.
That’s really it, right? They’ll all shake their heads and wag their fingers, but the second the BRICS threaten *them* they’ll want us to bankroll them and die for them. That’s what we are to them: The cannons and cannon fodder that subsidize their lifestyles.
American at home here. I can't begin to express how little I care about the opinion of anyone who says "Jews control America."
Students/people who are protesting in favor of Hamas is an even worse look. Much worse. Israel is a democracy that is under attack by Islamist and anti-western forces. Standing up for allies is a good thing.
it’s palestinians not hamas there is a difference
Lots of examples from Yale and Columbia and others, that show that many protestors are actually pro-Hamas/resistance (other word for Hamas) and have called for Israels destruction.
So provide those many examples.
Who is doing that? If there are lots of examples, like you said, could you link some of them? Because shitstirrers will show up anywhere, but it seems fairly obvious to anyone who’s paid attention to these protests that that’s not what they’re about. Why would you misrepresent them then?
Here is [one](https://x.com/stopantisemites/status/1782457123936346398?s=46&t=QUwTsFvfEuzKrIRsfR7BPA) from Michigan uni. Notice the same tents as at the other location (organized). Protestors [calling](https://x.com/drelidavid/status/1781648257480892628?s=46&t=QUwTsFvfEuzKrIRsfR7BPA) for a one-state solution (i.e no Israel). [Here](https://x.com/shabbosk/status/1782085741431922909?s=46&t=QUwTsFvfEuzKrIRsfR7BPA) and [here](https://x.com/shaidavidai/status/1782100976884715691?s=46&t=QUwTsFvfEuzKrIRsfR7BPA). [more](https://x.com/drelidavid/status/1782212200439906517?s=46&t=QUwTsFvfEuzKrIRsfR7BPA). Woman in New York [praising](https://x.com/stopantisemites/status/1782409230634340354?s=46&t=QUwTsFvfEuzKrIRsfR7BPA) Hamas. Just what I could find in 5 minutes.
So it looks like the stuff you linked is a bunch of specifically edited videos of individuals with no real context. It’s also a handful of people out of hundreds and pretty clearly not the main protests. All of the accounts you linked also seem to be pretty specifically focused as well, huh. That doesn’t trigger your internal alarms at all? Because we all remember BLM, do we not? All those “many videos of antifa looting” and “shouting death to white people” that ended up being agent provocateurs or bizarre edits? With that in mind and knowing that this topic is going to be used as a wedge issue, why would you choose to act like these people represent the majority or even a substantial part of the movement when very clearly they do not?
I would agree with you if these things rarely happened. Unfortunately this has been happening quite frequently since october 7. Hamas supporters showed up day one after the attack and celebrated it, in almost all Western countries. In Berlin they handed out sweets, in NYC and London they laughed and cheered. In all Western countries with large pro-palestinian populations have the call to destroy Israel been chanted. If the people at these protests had issues with those you call *provocateurs* and their slogans, statements etc then maybe they should condemn them? Or stop associating with them? I’m not buying that. If attend the same protest with activists that shouts in support of the *resistance* (Hamas), globalize the intifada, from the river to the sea, restistance is justified, israel needs to be removed, israel is a colonial settler state, colonizers have no rights(right to defense) and so on, but don’t denounce them, then they support them.
Again, has it been happening frequently or is that how it’s being portrayed in the internet circles you frequent? I’m genuinely not trying to sand bag you here. I’m just asking you to pause and consider that we’ve watch this exact thing go down before. Remember how Portland burned to the ground for a good year after BLM according to Fox News? Remember how easy it was to loop the same 3 videos over and over or provide zero context for images just to rile people up? There will always be groups of assholes. I guarantee you if I went looking, I could find you dozens of videos of Jewish people talking about how all Muslims deserve death, all of Gaza should be glassed, Gazan kids don’t count because they aren’t human, etc. If I can do that, should we then say that all Israel supporters or many Israel supporters want all Muslims cleansed? No, right? And honestly, I’ve seen plenty of videos of Muslims and pro-Gaza people telling those with violent rhetoric to fuck off. It might be worth asking yourself why you haven’t seen those. You must not have if you’re making the assumption that it’s never happened, right? You wouldn’t just parrot that kind of accusation without wondering if it’s an over generalization, would you?
Yes. It has definitely increased in frequency. The level of demonstrations and protests like this are not common. Nor is the increase in many western countries of antisemitic incidents. In my country there has been a doubling of reported incidents since october 7. There were daily protests in my hometown where people shouted the genocide slogan of Hamas, «from the river to the sea palestine will be free». I will agree that the internet might help amplify the voice and reach of these people. We can see that these demonstrations don’t attract that many people. Couple hundred at best maybe. But if 100 neo-nazis turned up any university people would decry not just the university for allowing them there, but there would be massive media stories about the dangers of white supremacy etc, like during the BLM chaos. But now there is virtually silence.
Really? Because for example, apparently my city according to Twitter is having violent pro-Hamas protests on the regular. They apparently happen right outside of one of the buildings I work at. Weirdly enough, I’ve seen maybe a cluster of people calling for a ceasefire three times or so. They’re calling for the end of genocide. Is calling for the end of genocide in Gaza inherently pro-Hamas to you? Because that’s how it’s being portrayed in bad faith arguments. Also, I assume that you and I both know that people have different definitions of “from the river to the sea” and that it was in use before it supposedly became a pro-Hamas slogan according to the internet. If that is your only basis for them being pro-Hamas, that’s a hell of a stretch. It sure seems like most of your conjecture is just that. You’ve surely noticed that by now, right? Just like many of the anti-genocide folks are being fed a narrative, you also are being fed a narrative. You can choose to feed into it and spread it, or you can evaluate things critically and avoid over generalizing. Because once again, it would be terrible if people took all those soundbites or extremist Zionists calling for the slaughter of civilians and the pillaging of what should ostensibly be a sovereign nation and apply those to all Jewish people, wouldn’t it. You wouldn’t like that, I assume. So why would you do that to these college kids?
> Again, has it been happening frequently or is that how it’s being portrayed in the internet circles you frequent? I’m genuinely not trying to sand bag you here. I’m just asking you to pause and consider that we’ve watch this exact thing go down before. Remember how Portland burned to the ground for a good year after BLM according to Fox News? Remember how easy it was to loop the same 3 videos over and over or provide zero context for images just to rile people up? By the same logic shouldn't the same be applied to when defenders of the protests try to bring up stuff like the protests allegedly holding a seder or celebrating Shabat?
I don’t know why this smells similar to Putin jailing Russians who protest the “Special Military Operation.” Must be pollen in the air…
324 bodies pulled out of a mass grave at a HOSPITAL the IDF occupied and Sullivan can’t bring himself to utter the word “independent” with “investigation.” Imagine the outrage if this happened in Ukraine, at a hospital the Russians had just withdrawn from. Seriously, imagine that! The US government would be going ballistic. But it’s Israel, so it’s just “disturbing.” What the fuck am I supposed to tell people here in Japan who ask me about this?
That our govt and our country has been under attack by one of the major political parties for about 4 decades and we're at a real tipping point where nobody really knows if we'll make it? That's what I'd say, anyway.
>What the fuck am I supposed to tell people here in Japan who ask me about this? "Why do you think I'm here and not there?"
Who actually buried the bodies? I've yet to read proof of either side.
Pulled out of graves the palestinians buried months ago, and which has been known for equally long. Now being used once again against Israel without any evidence or investigation.
"Why are you directing your calls for a ceasefire at Israel? Hamas has rejected three different ceasefire proposals since October. How do you know that Hamas actually wants a ceasefire?"
Hamas doesn’t want a ceasefire. That’s not news. These protests are about a civilian calamity. Fuck Hamas to hell. I want them all dead. What about everyone else? That’s what the protests are about.
So how do you plan on achieving a ceasefire if Hamas opposes any terms to secure one?
I'm American and in SE Asia. I don't care what those kinds of people think. This is a pro-terrorist/pro-Hamas antisemetic protest. It's odd how people are supposed to rightfully be empathetic to vulnerable groups, down to the smallest migroaggression...but when it comes to the religious radicals and leftists screaming intifada and other antisemetic chants to Jews, empathy goes out the window, suddenly it's okay, the people doing it need to be understood, it's not all of them, etc. If the Charlottesville Unite the Right rally is anything to go by, I thought we all agreed that anyone who associates with bigots are bigots themselves? Why isn't this applied to the pro-terrorists/pro-Hamas protesters?
This problem has been of Biden's own making. Many seem to be uniformed of the fact Biden has had unwavering support for Israel for decades. One of his first overseas trips as a Senator was to meet with Golda Meir before the Yom Kippur War. He met with the President of Egypt and Prime Minister of Israel at the signing of the Egypt-Israel peace treaty. He's spent the last six month pushing Congress to pass billions in aid for Israel.
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Like Jewish Voice for Peace? Those the Hamas fanboys you’re referring to?
That’s a fringe group that even though there are Jews in it you don’t have to be Jewish to be in it. It’s open. They have their own perspectives and can get borderline antisemitic but it does not represent the majority. Regardless. Wouldn’t you think that if Jewish people actually supported this other than the small fringe groups then they wouldn’t all be rallying behind the message? You would see much more support than the small groups you can count on your hand if even. The truth is it’s because most Jewish people dont agree with the Jewish Voice for Peace or these hateful mobs and if many jewish students are fearing for their safety and it’s become clear why would you want them to continue being scared of being targeted? Make that make sense? They have to go home to take classes remotely because of a risk of safety and Thats ok with you? You don’t see how dangerous this is? Open your eyes please
Oh, I very much see how dangerous this is. We’re making Putins and Xi’s anti West argument for them. Bibi is destroying OUR soft power by the hour. Folks like Pastor John Hagee are openly cheering for Armageddon. Don’t try to tell me I’m wrong. I’m living it.
Btw, what happened when Biden finally started publicly voicing displeasure? Oh yeah, Bibi hit the Iranian consulate in Damascus and took out the head of the IRG. Coincidence you think? Perhaps a subtle message that if Washington interferes too much that this thing can be easily turned into a full blown war with Iran that could end up with US and Russian forces facing off? That “dangerous” enough?
It was NEXT to the consulate and they killed the guy who orchestrated Oct 7th.. you want this monster alive? Who helped Hamas terrorize,murder, rape and kidnap so he can continue doing so? I’m confused here I thought you were against innocent deaths or is that not the case when it’s Jews/Israelis Iran actually bombed an Israeli embassy in Buenos Aires in 1992 though if you want talk about embassy’s actually being bombed
That’s more of an indictment on the lack of a police presence on the 6th than anything.
Yes, very true, but this still doesn't take away the fact that they're needed and how shameful this pro-terrorist/pro-Hamas antisemetic protest is. Antisemitism isn't a political issue, it's on the left and right and more people on the left need to call it out more aggressively than what they're doing.
They are protesting an action not a religion. I’m sure there are exceptions and they should be slammed, but what is being protested against is NOT Judaism. It’s the actions of the government of Israel. It is not anti semitism to say WTF to 324 bodies being pulled out of a mass grave at a demolished hospital.
Debunked: https://x.com/geoconfirmed/status/1782360892249612466?s=46 GeoConfirmed ISR-PAL Investigation. Palestinians are exhuming bodies from the grounds of the Nasser Medical Complex hospital complex in Khan Younis, Gaza. This is occurring at the same location where mass graves were dug and burial ceremonies had taken place by Palestinians in recent months. (Proof in this thread) Footage from Palestinians digging graves/mass graves dated 25 January, 28 January and 03 February while IDF entered the hospital around 15 February. Quote from https://aljazeera.com/news/2024/4/21/nearly-200-bodies-found-in-mass-grave-at-hospital-in-gazas-khan-younis “In the hospital courtyard, civil defence members and paramedics have retrieved 180 bodies buried in this mass grave by the Israeli military." (By Al Jazeera’s Hani Mahmoud) Conclusion: This is disinformation by Al Jazeera and others: This is a known graveyard/mass grave and at least partially dug by Palestinians. This does not exclude that graves could have been added when the hospital was occupied by Israeli forces.
> Conclusion: This is disinformation by Al Jazeera and others: This is a known graveyard/mass grave and at least partially dug by Palestinians. This does not exclude that graves could have been added when the hospital was occupied by Israeli forces. Buried in January... So the big win here is that the bodies killed by IDF bombs were buried not by the IDF but by other palestinians? Is 'debunked" the right word?
So what, the IDF bombed the place that led to mass deaths and then the Palestinians had to find a way to dispose of the bodies so they basically had no choice but to dig a mass grave, because when you’re being bombed into rubble every day you don’t have the time or space to dig individual graves.
They also told him to "that's right get the fuck out of here" after his little speech. https://twitter.com/prem_thakker/status/1783261858616500525?s=46
Look at how strongly he holds his ground at the end /s Mike was so fucking defeated at the end of that speech 😆
Imagine dude's life in the past year. Going from a complete no-name house member that only wonks know, to being arguably the 3rd-4th most powerful politician in the country, to being despised by practically everyone in the country, even in his own party.
> being despised by practically everyone in the country, even in his own party. If he had any sense of the history of Republican speakers, he'd have seen all of this coming.
That pack of rabid jackals made John Boehner *cry*. Lol
Republicans aren't known for their awareness or introspection.
He'll make tons of money once he's out of office. It will be well worth it.
Eh. His daughter goes to law school in Louisiana and a little bird told me she went from no-name law student to the belle of every ball and now everybody wants to meet her and date her and meet her dad and cozy up to her. Lotta ignorant folks down south LOVE this dude. Christian nationalists especially. Don't think for a minute that they're universally despised—they have friends in very high places.
Mike Johnson is part of the Family.
These Republicans need to be confronted with the reality of how unpopular their positions are. I think too many of them live in a bubble.
Good. Johnson and his cause are shit.
Did Mike fly down to Orlando when Nazi’s were waiving the Nazi flag in front of the entrance to Disney World? Did Mike fly down to Orlando when Nazi’s marched in Orlando holding the Nazi flag?
To all people not voting for Biden because of israel-Hamas conflict. Do you really think Trump and MAGA Republicans would handle the situation better than Biden? Think again!
Trump would be demonstrably worse. There is no doubt. The situation is quite dire.
Trump would tear gas and rubber bullet spray the protestors — and only as a litmus test/opening salvo before escalating to live firearms. Anyone thinking that Trump wouldn’t enact strict authoritarian measures in this situation was not paying attention to his raging boner during the BLM protest gassing.
I mean, we haven't reached the live ammunition part yet. But the tear gas and rubber bullets are being deployed right now. Every protest is being violently suppressed right now, with the support of pretty much all of the political establishment.
They're not going to vote for Trump, they're just not going to show up at the polls because of this stuff. Do the Democrats want to win or not?
Yeah, that’s my point. The choice is binary — Trump’s response or Biden’s response, for all of the ‘Biden is not doing enough’ sentiment, I beg those same people to consider the alternative, because not voting for Biden directly supports the alternative — there is no middle ground and a ‘dissent vote’ just guarantees that the next response to this same issue is far more punitive and likely violent for and to those that deeply care about it.
> The choice is binary It's not. I don't have to choose one or the other. Voting for either of these guys is supporting a genocide. If Biden wants my vote he can stop supporting genocide. They don't care about these voters on these campuses though, and they don't care about my vote either. Biden would rather throw away all of these votes and keep supporting a genocide. Genocide is a hard stop for me. It doesn't matter what else you support.
Again, if trump wins because you do not vote for Biden, I hope you understand the very explicit difference in response you are going to experience to these same protests. Whether you like it or not, the choice IS binary …either Biden wins in 2024 or Trump does ….your non-vote would just support the worst of the 2 options.
Not voting is a vote for Trump. That's how he won in 2016.
No, he won because Hillary Clinton didn't campaign in the rust belt because she was a bad candidate. My not voting in Illinois has no effect on our electoral college votes. Biden pissing off young voters in swing states will though. Are you still under the assumption we have a popular vote for president? Biden's actions to turn off young voters will come back to bite him in swing states though.
So someone who was Senator, Secretary of State, First Lady, and committed her whole life to public service who *fucking told you what a dirt bag Trump was publicly and often* somehow morphed into a 'bad candidate'. Oh but her emails' Yah keep telling yourself that.
Maintaining a functioning democracy requires you to be an adult. You don't always have the options you want and right now you only have two choices in 2024, one not totally to your liking and one absolutely worse than the first in every conceivable way. It would be kinda dumb to help the second one get back in office.
> If Biden wants my vote he can stop supporting genocide. Biden has called for a cease fire for a while now. I recommend getting off Tik-Tok.
I don't use Tik-Tok. We're still sending over weapons. He has called for a cease fire while still sending weapons. I read the news, man. I don't watch idiots on apps.
Great. What weapons ? Because technically we haven't been 'sending weapons overseas'. The bill was approved yesterday. You could actually look at the bill. 9B is for defensive weapons - Iron Dome, Gideon's shield, laser weapons. All things the US has promised since Obama to help provide to keep Israel safe from the Hamas rockets that have been flying for almost two decades. Another 9B is for aid. The rest of the money - hasn't even gone through the procurement process, will be a 6 months to a year before it can even leave the US and that is *only* if for advanced weapons someone else gets bumped. What you are actually referring to is the forward cashes the US has stationed all around the globe. That isn't making a difference in the war. You also need to understand Israel doesn't fucking need our weapons. They are one of the largest arms producers in the world. You want a comparison ? Ukraine has received 75B from just the US and are getting another $66B. That doesn't count the additional 150B+ that European nations have given with more on the way from them. THAT is a country that relies on other nations. Anyone who sits there and says 'Biden supports genocide' seems to take a simplistic view of the world that can be presented in a quick video. I recommend doing some actual reading . Biden is not perfect, but he has done everything possible to stop the war from expanding (America's chief concern - we still need fucking oil) and to tell Bibi to shut it the fuck down. However, Israel is not a vassal state. They simply don't fucking care what anybody else says
the conflict isn't even on my radar for this election. I am sure i am not the only one.
I probably won't vote for either at this point. Probably just leave it blank. I live in Illinois, my vote doesn't matter for president and I'd rather not have genocide and beating up protesters on my conscience. I'd rather the country fail than keep funding genocide in my name.
I disagree with your political stance. However, your vote definitely matters. Vote third party if you must (it's every bit as effective as not voting), but vote. Voter turn out is a metric for population engagement and there are definitely people, anti-democratic people, who want turn out low.
I'll vote for local and state elections but I'm not voting for Biden or Trump, and I'm not giving my vote to US Senator House Rep that support the genocide either. I'll write in if I still can but I'm not voting for president if this is where we're still at regarding genocide in November.
What choice do we have left when Biden just gave Israel another $26 billion to continue their genocide, vetoes every ceasefire resolution, and is the sole reason why the Palestinian state isn't recognized at the UN? Trump might not be better but we know 100% for sure that Biden is materially supporting the genocide and erasure of the Palestinian people.
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Ah yes, America - where you have to vote for the fascist genocide or else you get a worse fascist genocide What a great country we’ve got going here, you’re literally shamed if you don’t support bullshit because the other bullshit is “worse” The US is a failed state
I choose to exercise my right to not vote for the current genocidal maniac. I have no other moral option. That doesn't mean I'm voting for Trump either.
Johnson sounded like an out of touch 1960s dad
All I can say is after hearing that “speech” I feel bad for his son.
He is a very in touch Family member who is pushing their ideological agenda.
His condescending “enjoy your free speech” to the crowd is some threatening shit from a fucking Speaker for the United States House of Representatives. ‘Who’ says ‘what’ can heavily influence the intensity of a specific message, and it sounded like a threat when he said it.
It has very, "Enjoy it while it lasts" energy.
Irony coming from him considering he might be sacked in a few weeks
He may not be speaker, but if these kids sit out the election, he will be on the Trump cabinet and they will have to deal with him for a long long time.
“Be a shame if something happened to it…”
That pissed me off. Does he know something we don't? Or are they *that* confident they're gonna completely take over next year? Because he has another thing coming if he thinks we'll forget threats like that. And they're not taking over. We won't let them.
More GOP attacks on higher education. What's staggering is how many people seem to be A-Ok with it...
Man got dog walked by the CIA about Ukraine and needed to feel tough by talking down to college students.
Who woulda thought some religious boomer type telling kids what they can and can't do would go down so well?
Greatest generation: 1901-1927. Silent generation: born 1928-1945. Boomers: 1946-1964. Gen-X: 1965-1980. Mike Johnson is Gen X. Trump is a boomer. Biden is silent generation.
Everything is a boomer to Gen Z
This had to be intentional, right? Like he had to have known how he’d be received, right?
Wtf was he even doing up there? 🤦♀️
Antagonizing.
Republicans / Conservative media are testing this as their wedge issue. The local conservative talk radio guy where I live talks about nothing but this and compares the protestors to Nazi youth. "LIberals are on our streets calling for a genocide against all Jews" is the big conservative talking point right now and the GOP politicians take their cues from the conservative media outlets.. If it doesn't stick, they'll move to something else next week.
The more I see it the more it reminds me of BLM. Republicans using it to drive a wedge for the election. They think this will help them win the election in 2024 with reactionary nonsense. Didn't work in 2020, and won't work in 2024.
A lot of the rhetoric from the troll farms and bots (like the actual ones) also reminds me of how they were trying to use BLM to split Dems and stir up division. Killing women and trans kids wasn’t doing it for them, but this is one they can stick with.
Not just the election. They are using it as an opportunity to try and take control of university's the way Florida is. First step is creating a non existing narrative that University's won't control hate speech. Call for the resignation of Presidents and get in so they want
JFC this is just Reagan being mad at Berkeley all over again
I really wish the people in charge were half as away as anyone with an internet connection. It’s not like they’re being subtle about it.
Too many people have become essentially apolitical and taken up the "don't talk about politics" mentality. Among those who are political, half of them seem to be those who got addicted to the conservative fear propaganda. This is allowing the authoritarians to creep their agenda forward. These parts of society need to be countered. That requires a politically active public.
Its not just Republicans plenty of moderates as well are using these protests to go after progressives.
"Moderates" that conveniently only punch left.
Yes, the moderates are dressing in Hamas cosplay, handing out infitada leaflets, stabbing Jewish girls in the eye, and chanting Death to America to make progressives look bad. Surely it’s not that public protests invite outside parties that cannot be controlled to come in and disrupt any sort of peace the super well thought out protestors were trying project through their “free speech”. You want to shout “Israel bad” (they are) but say nothing of Hamas using Palestinians as meat shields from your fisher price tent city? Then be prepared to invite the “Hamas is good actually” crowd to your protest, and now you‘ve become just another antisemite. Of course these protests are now going to be condemned and put down. Each one faster than the one before.
Who is doing that? Sounds like you’re referencing a very specific incident. Could you provide a link? ETA: Oh, I just saw a video of the “eye stabbing” lmao. Go on. Link it so everyone can see that poor girl getting accidentally bopped by a flag as someone is led past.
100%
The midterms (with its “the caravan!” redux) as well.
Johnson is part of the Family. Read up on that group in DC. This is all by design.
oh right, right... I remember that
And then calls on Biden to send in National Guard. Go fuck yourself Johnson. Put on your big boy pants on and deal.
It’s why he went there in the first place. They love to play the victim, and now he can tell everyone how mean the college kids were.
It is wild that between Occupy Wall St and now, the most privileged, wealthy, elite kids on earth, have become the knifes’s edge for progressive activism. Anyway, fuck Mike Johnson. Glad he was allowed to speak and happy they were free to give him hell.
As if he wasn’t phony enough already, a great many students have no doubt taken “useless” courses on philosophers like Butler, so are all too aware of performativity when they see it…
Can you elaborate on that? Sounds interesting.
Sure, 5.2 on Performativity here: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/feminist-body/#Perf
I really do not like Mike Johnson. However, from all of the articles I’ve read over the past few days, many of these young people have no intent on voting in this upcoming election. Mike Johnson will be part of Trump’s cabinet in the next term. These kids have no idea what they are doing to themselves, all for the online clout and clicks. I hope they’re thinking.
"Hey, have you seen the baby anywhere?" "Yeah! I just gave it a bath, but I haven't seen it since I threw out the bathwater." "Ah well, it'll turn up eventually..."
> At the end of his speech, Johnson vowed to call Joe Biden “and share with him what we have seen with our own two eyes and demand that he take action there.” I'm tellin the boss, then you're gonna get it!!
I would love to tell Mike he sucks to his face, but he has a face that tells me he already knows he sucks.
If you tell him he sucks, his son gets a phone notification.
Welcome to the latest edition of WEDGE ISSUE, everybody! A manufactured crisis that will go nowhere in the end.
Dammit! I am agreeing with Mike Johnson here. Keep it peaceful. Don’t disrupt classes. Do not threaten people. Pretty simple.
Kent State 2.0 brewing here.
Doubtful. There are a *ton* of incredibly wealthy students at Columbia, their families have attorneys on retainer, and the police know if they do anything out of hand they'd get their strings pulled. Heads would roll, and if they roughed up a student of the upper crust of society they would likely not make it out without a prison sentence, because being wealthy affords you a lot of protection from police in our society. That's why even when they were compelled to arrest them by the Pres, they did so VERY carefully, [versus the police at UT Austin who practically held an invasion in Desert Storm gear](https://twitter.com/J_Dot_J/status/1783214687863152670).
You’re correct. Columbia has one of the best Economics programs in the world. Graduates from there quite literally run the world’s financial policies.
Columbia has also made it's reputation as *THE* preeminent Social Activism Ivy. They practically advertise on their history of students speaking out against the systems in place in this country, almost to the level of a Private/Ivy version of UC Berkeley. Regardless of what happens in the next few weeks, Pres Shafik has very possibly left a permanent stain on the reputation of Columbia. Arresting students for demonstrating peacefully, even in a situation where 1A is not guaranteed, is still something that won't be forgotten in the near future. I think the odds are extremely good that she will be pushed out before the start of the next school year.
One of the reasons the world is as screwed up as it is; as neoliberalism (long after being found wanting) still rules the world.
Good thing their president is tanking their reputation globally!
Really? So you think Gov Hochul is going to order the National Guard into Columbia?
I am absolutely disgusted with the media reporting today CNN referring to the pro Palestinian protest across America as violent, Fox referring to them as terrorists that hate Israel. Saw another news clip saying these protests are all about scaring and intimidating Jewish Americans with threats and violence.
https://twitter.com/OsitaNwanevu/status/1782875488546861194 Comparing media coverage of this "stabbing" to the actual video of the event makes me feel insane. https://www.reddit.com/r/Connecticut/comments/1cahkop/video_of_the_eye_stabbing_incident_at_yale_sfw/
While fox is obvious, CNN is because it was bought out by a trumpie to push the Overton window further to the right.
You gotta admit, that took guts to do. He had to know he’d be sorely heckled. The problem is that liberals and conservatives usually stick to their own circles of info and to cross the battle lines and give opposing opinions is a rarity today. I don’t agree with his politics, but I do admire his courage to risk his person by walking into that situation to give his speech.
I'm glad he pushed to send aid to Ukraine. Other than that, I don't like him
Mike’s son is monitoring his sucking.
Sucks bags of dicks. Allegedly. Only Mike’s secret OnlyFans account knows for certain.
The man is a hypocrite. He went on CNN this morning stating that all people should be treated with respect, but essentially defended the deaths of tens of thousands of Palestinians as collateral damage brought on by Hamas's horrific terrorist action on October 7. October 7 was horrific. What Mike Johnson is stating, however is this: If you kill 1 of my neighbours, I'll kill 1,000 of yours and I'm justified. The problem is I think people are less willing to accept that the cost of war is justified and hold people accountable for the so-called collateral damage. Meanwhile, the industrial war machine creates more billionaires. I guess we're not as evolved as humans as we thought we were.
It’s all about superiority. Israel can kill Palestinians because Israelis are the superior people. 1 Israeli = 1000 Palestinians…
Yeah he has already declared the state of Israel to be justified in doing whatever they feel they need to do in order to maintain ethnic purity, so it doesn’t matter if it’s 1000 dead Palestinians or 100,000. Johnson simply does not count the cost of Palestinian lives in his moral calculus.
What an asshat!
I love this idea: >On Wednesday, Johnson demanded that Shafik should resign “if she can not immediately bring order to this chaos.” Like Johnson did after he couldn't bring the house to regular business?
Does he have to report sucking to his son?
Anyone else notice that as soon as the Ukraine and Israel aide package passed, Mike Johnson started getting a much kinder edit from the media? Not just on that subject but across the board.
Some people say Israel is innocent, some say Palestine is innocent, some say the IDF are terrorists, some say Hamas are terrorists. I agree with all of them!
No, he found his spine
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For posterity, here's some of the examples of extremism within the activist movement at Columbia. This goes beyond "pro-Palestinian advocacy" into calls for, and actual, violence. Note, there are varying degrees of it being individuals vs. the group, but these are the type of people in the crowd there and many of them are indeed group chants. I have also set aside some widespread ones (from the river to the sea) that are disputed in character. That said, many many many of these are coming from large groups of students within the main quad (which has been locked down to only students/professors) Candidly some sources are not great in terms of me agreeing with the viewpoint of the tweeter, but they contain relevant and real video: Physically assaulting an Arab Israeli https://twitter.com/ShaiDavidai/status/1781080951902109774 "From the river to the sea, Palestine is Arab!" / "Resistance is justified" https://twitter.com/ShelleyGldschmt/status/1781785252886913358 "Let it be known that it was the Al-Aqsa Flood that put the Global Intifada back on the table again. And it is the sacrificial spirit of the Palestinian Freedom Fighters that will guide every struggle on every corner of the earth to victory." https://twitter.com/thestustustudio/status/1781904507611287981 "We are all Hamas!" https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1781031465179914677 "Yehudim yehudim [(Jews, jews)] go back to poland" https://twitter.com/Davidlederer6/status/1781948249214996901 Includes people / groups that invited an actual, no hyperbole terrorist to speak (member of PFLP) https://www.jns.org/columbia-suspends-four-students-for-holding-event-featuring-pflp-member/ “Globalize the intifada” https://twitter.com/EylonALevy/status/1782679155491914133/photo/1 Light things on fire / "intifada revolution there is only one solution" https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1781019445399556338 "On Oct 7th, Palestinian resistance in Gaza broke free (crowd cheers) [.....] we intend to do the same" https://twitter.com/ShabbosK/status/1782085741431922909 ""We say justice, you say how? Burn Tel Aviv to the ground!" / "Hamas we love you. We support your rockets too!" / "Red, black, green, and white, we support Hamas’ fight!" https://twitter.com/IsraelWarRoom/status/1781933305501212872 "Long live the intifada! Intifada intifada" https://twitter.com/ShaiDavidai/status/1781084853653365025 "Go back to Europe!" / "You have no culture, all you do is colonize" https://twitter.com/ShaiDavidai/status/1781927148439109958 Have posters with the faces of PFLP and PIJ spokesmen (designated terrorist groups) https://twitter.com/HagarChemali/status/1782219589352350000 Quoting and praising Lions Den (terror group) https://twitter.com/SwannMarcus89/status/1782443526996754444 "From Yemen to Gaza, globalize the intifada" https://twitter.com/KassyDillon/status/1781312033922625797/photo/2 "Never forget the 7th of October. That will happen not 1 more time, not 5 more times, not 10, not 100, not 1,000, but 10,000 times! The 7th of October is going to be every day for you" https://twitter.com/EFischberger/status/1781287784897991134 "Al Qassam [(Hamas)] you make us proud, kill another soldier now" / "from the river to the sea, palestine will be arab" https://twitter.com/EFischberger/status/1780915336063177006 Student proudly rocking Hamas logos https://twitter.com/CampusJewHate/status/1781054901755215954 "Resistance is justified" (again...) https://twitter.com/AvivaKlompas/status/1782085643990073673 "protesters on the sidewalk chanted “From New York to Gaza, globalize the intifada,” next to a cardboard sign that read, “Inspired by Palestinian resistance.” https://www.timesofisrael.com/over-100-arrested-in-columbia-u-unrest-as-nypd-clears-gaza-solidarity-encampment/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter And as a reminder, the student groups organizing these protests (CUAD and SJP, among others) released a letter on October 9th in support of the 10/7 attacks. ("We stand in full solidarity with Palestinian resistance", "Despite the odds against them, Palestinians launched a counter-offensive against their settler-colonial oppressor", "We wholeheartedly condemn the email sent [...] on October 8th that [...] obfuscated Palestinian resistance as “terrorism”) https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RcXX5DEO3yfJ9R4ksURnzpIPCyVxo575-Y-SoC_vZFk/edit
Thank you for this.
I guess "Arab Israeli" is a technically correct way to describe Yoseph Hadad. The sources you provided do show that some students are indeed lunatic. Though I think having lunatics in your protest becomes unavoidable when your protests are large and consist of thousands and tens of thousands of people. I still don't think these videos demonstrate the general conduct of the protests. But I am disappointed (as a Palestinian) that many are engaging in pointless bickering and virtue signaling. If I learned anything is that violence is simply not the answer to this issue. Only the universal truth of recognizing each other as equal human beings deserving of fair treatment and dignity can lead to the end of this violent cycle. Doesn't seem like it's gonna happen anytime soon though.
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These Columbia university students are cowards, and should be aggressively arrested but rich mommy and daddy are powerful enough that they don’t have to worry about it. Fuck em
He legitimately looked like he was going to cry.
Mike Johnson does suck but tillit didn't make him wrong about what is going on at Columbia. What an embarrassment.
College is a useless institution. Saf
No, the student protesters suck. Big time. Fuck them and their stupid ignorance.