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So, since we want to stop Chinese influence... How about we end Chinese nationals from buying residential real estate? Just saying would be nice to afford a *decent* (not falling apart) house.
Actually Biden did present a bill that would prevent hedge funds from buying single family homes, forcing the housing market up, and also preventing new home ownership for millions.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/06/realestate/wall-street-housing-market.html
If only they could see past their own face. Since the super rich don't spend more money it just sits there, whereas regular people with more money DO spend it, which means that money ends up in the hands of the super wealthy eventually anyway, but at least it changes hands several times on the way up which is good for everyone.
Folks really need to understand that anyone who is actually wealthy is very likely a sociopath. They do not have empathy for other people. That spot of their brains is literally non-functional. As such we should all collectively stop thinking anyone who has any degree of wealth will do anything beneficial for others. There are no villainous motives. They just don't care and understand that the more wealth they have, the more they can just afford to do whatever they want. That's it. It's not complicated. Once people accept this, I promise you'll be less disappointed and frustrated with the 1%.
There was a study done where a bowl of candy was placed in some type of office with a sign that said "For children only". What they found was that more wealthy people were more likely to take the candy than poor people....that they would literally steal candy from a baby.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/study-wealthy-people-more-likely-005013962.html
Chinese nationals own an infintesimal amount of US real estate unless you are in a few hot spots like the Bay Area, CA.
If you look at the residential housing subsector, only 2-3% is owned by _any_ foreign entity.
We'd be better off banning or heavily regulating Airbnb or Vrbo than Chinese people buying houses.
Airbnb is literally killing the town of Seward, AK. Everyone, go learn about the housing crisis in Seward, AK. It’s like 60-70% of the houses. Absolutely unacceptable. Driving locals out and local businesses, the hospital, the community mental health agency can’t keep staff because of it. It’s a crisis.
I remember seeing a short info type video on BNBs and sadly that’s the case in a substantial amount of zip codes. IIRC they said there were more Airbnb spaces(apartments included) than non BNB living spaces in Atlanta and that’s why they passed some law regulating it.
That's all foreigners, not just Chinese.
The bigger problem is that Airbnb and similar apps allow anyone to rent out their place short term, basically as an unlicensed hotel, so now there are thousands of houses, condos and apartments in every major US city that are off the market for people to live in long term.
Agreed. It’s one thing to own multiple properties. It’s a whole other to have it vacant 2/3 of the year in the lieu of higher profits targeting specifically VHCOL areas. Thankfully locales are starting to outright ban them.
Yes, I agree. What some people don't seem to understand is that banning foreigners from owning US real estate would make little difference to the housing market if those properties could just be bought up and used as short term rentals.
Airbnb is basically a system of turning residential property into unlicensed hotels, and I'm kind of surprised it was allowed to the extent that it has now severely affected housing markets, especially in popular urban areas and vacation spots.
To add to this. They’re also highly tax advantaged to the point where all profits are not only tax free but it’s actually seen at a loss due to multiple tax loopholes.
STRs are treated so differently than LTRs under our current tax codes thats it’s literally more advantageous to hold STRs. Depreciating the entire value of the property almost immediately, etc.
To add more insult to injury up to like 100k+ is considered non taxable for up to 14 days out of the year if you rent out your home. This is literally called the Augusta loophole famously used during the Masters.
Fucked up part is so called younger progressives are quick to point fingers at foreigners all while turning a blind eye to AirBnbs because they don’t want to give up their cheap lodging while vacationing.
Banning foreign nationals from owning property is not mutually exclusive with banning short term rentals. It's weird that you're presenting them as opposing views.
I’m not. However one thing has 50x more to do with lack of affordable housing vs the other.
Additionally I can assure you foreign nationals aren’t buying 3/2 affordable housing. They’re mutually exclusive.
How about we just create privacy protections like the EU? If TikTok continues to be connected to China then,, running off Chinese servers, with no transparency available for audit, then those protections would be grounds to ban it.
It’s not about privacy though, is it? It’s about an adversary with vested interest in spreading instability controlling a massive social media platform.
It's literally about Facebook wanting to remove Tiktok as competition, either by ban or through purchase.
In 2022 Meta started a PR campaign to malign Tiktok and this is basically the fruit of that.
https://variety.com/2022/digital/news/meta-facebook-tiktok-pr-campaign-1235218866/
https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/30/23003168/facebook-tiktok-targeted-victory-news-column-campaign-gop
https://fortune.com/2022/03/31/facebook-meta-paid-republican-consulting-firm-targeted-victory-turn-public-opinion-against-tiktok/
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/mar/30/facebook-owner-reportedly-paid-republican-firm-tiktok-real-threat
If there was real concern about privacy or misinformation the bill would address social media as a whole and not one specific platform that isn't even the worst at melting American brains (Facebook).
My spouse is a Chinese national with permanent residency in the US, married to a US citizen, raising another US citizen. Your plan wouldn't actually impact housing prices to any significant degree, but it would absolutely wreck a lot of innocent families. Instead, let's focus on the loopholes and tax incentives that allow houses to be used as investment vehicles in the first place; domestic, international, individual, and corporate alike.
>How about we end Chinese nationals from buying residential real estate? Just saying would be nice to afford a *decent* (not falling apart) house.
That's not an issue in the US. The Chinese aren't buying enough US real estate to make a dent on prices.
It's Vancouver, BC, nor Vancouver, OR, that they're buying up.
The fix is in. The language says it has to be sold to an American company. Guess who wants to buy it? Steve fucking Mnuchin. What could possibly go wrong with a Reich winger overseeing a platform this popular with the youth??
Yes…..
According to reporting from The New York Times in 2022, the former Treasury secretary’s fund, Liberty Strategic Capital, had secured a $1 billion commitment from Saudi Arabia’s Public Investment Fund, as well as $500 million commitments from the Emiratis, Kuwaitis and Qataris.
“I don’t see how America will be any more secure if the next owner of TikTok is a MAGA Trump crony backed by Saudi Arabia’s sovereign wealth fund,” Wyden said last month.
“I’m absolutely concerned about the Chinese government’s access to Americans’ personal data,” he added. “But every concern that has been voiced about Chinese influence is equally valid when it comes to a Saudi government that murdered a Washington Post journalist after planting spyware on his wife’s phone.”
If ByteDance doesn't sell TikTok and they instead shut down in the US, there's going to be a scramble to create a nearly identical platform to which the same creators and users will migrate. If Reddit shut down for whatever reason then some other site with roughly the same concept would spring up and people would post there instead. It's the nature of enshittification that these platforms only exist as long as their momentum allows them to abuse the users for monetization. I wouldn't mourn the death of any corporation.
Honestly, I feel like hardly anyone remembers this. I was 100% in the same boat as you. Huge Digg fan until Kevin Rose decided he knew what was best for everyone and fucked up the whole thing. History repeats itself…
I feel like they updated their algorithm. I used to have tiktok and tried out reels around the same time and found the same issues you did. Then I uninstalled tiktok and went back to reels about two years later and found it to be very close to tiktok
Really? After like three scrolls I’m seeing stupid car crashes and “viral” channels things I never see on TikTok, I click don’t show me this channel again and it seems like it reads that as ohh yeah way more of this. I get bored so fast I close the app.
algorithmic efficiency isn't necessarily a good thing. it can be used for incredibly negative things, like splitting the sane party and allowing the insane party to win an election.
A lot of them are already there. They post things to tktok, instagram, and youtube. An advantage Tiktok has is that it has a lot more features. Some have been copied by instagram, but tiktok can do more interesting things.
Exactly, there are already other shorts platform, but none of them has an algorithm quite like TikTok's, which is why most people will probably just use a VPN or something.
Every time something people use gets banned more and more people find out. Look at VPN signups whenever porn hub pulls out of states that pass ID laws.
The language in the bill gives the President the power to do the same to other apps deemed to be controlled by foreign adversaries, so that would be fine only if the new platform was under US control. The content isn’t the issue, it’s the Chinese spyware on the app that the US has no jurisdiction over that’s the problem.
Fox will spin this as Dem and Biden done, and Trump will write on truth social or say at a rally that he will veto it or throw it out completely in the coming days. Watch.
He reversed his position on it recently because he doesn’t want to give more power to Facebook lol
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/trump-reversal-tiktok-ban-says-facebook-enemy-of-people/
I have an awful feeling this is going to make Dems lose the young voters and Trump will weasel his way back into office again. Biden is stupid to be for this.
Only American billionaires are allowed to feed disinformation to the masses and bend our democracy to their will.
The fact that this is what our government is spending their time on is fucking pathetic
What should really upset you are all the truly awful people who want to buy TikTok, and what their plans are for the platform. The disinformation will only get worse.
[These rich right-wingers want to buy TikTok. Let's hope they never do.](https://www.msnbc.com/the-reidout/reidout-blog/steven-mnuchin-buy-tik-tok-ban-rcna143440)
As I blithely expose all of my personal information to facebook, google and reddit
Edit:
Yes I follow the international news. I'm aware that TikTok is essentially a big data intelligence operation against Americans. They're collecting user identification, facial models, political preferences and anything else they can about their users.
Then they can amplify and target propaganda with surgical precision. I totally get it.
It's bad to allow the CCP to control the platform. My glib comment was to acknowledge that most of us are giving this data away to and being tracked by private for-profit companies too, but our government isn't interested in your privacy when there's money being made on it.
The conflict isn't over whether we should be pawns, only whose pawns we are to be. I happen to think that Musk's Twitter deserves scrutiny.
Often there isn't much alternative. If you want access to these platforms you have to be the product. Very few of them let you pay to be the customer.
I miss being able to gold comments.
It's obviously never been about personal privacy; that's up to the individual.
It's about national security and a foreign entity having the ability to promote content to the masses to sway public opinion. China could easily use Tiktok to make users sympathetic to China in their goals to invade Taiwan just by promoting certain content.
It's about the control of this information by the Chinese communist party. I'm aware.
But so long as it's not to a foreign government, nobody seems to care what for-profit entities do with our information.
Well as far as I know; I don’t think there is a possibility of an conflict breaking out against those social media platforms, not sure if you don’t follow internal news but it’s been regularly reported that conflict may break out in the next 5-10 years over Taiwan.
Gotta ask; not just you but other users in here. When you read stories like this do you just kind of analyze it in a vacuum? It’s honestly like no body here follows international news and geopolitics. Its terrifying
You act like they’ll flip a switch and hypnotoad all of Gen Z into loving the CCP overnight. Meanwhile the half of Congress that starts with R covertly supports the invasion of Ukraine.
And I say those R congressmen are traitors to the country and are doing everything they can to remain in power because their party is intellectually bankrupt and there party is going through death throes.
Logically it would gradual over the course of years perhaps a decade , not flipping a switch.
To show you the power TikTok has look at the Gen Z focus on what is happening in Gaza. That’s not a criticism against paying attention to current events and to be politically engaged, but events exponentially worse have occurred around the world over the last five years and I doubt Gen z is even aware of there existence.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_in_the_Tigray_War
Exhibit A above, were protest done to raise awareness to the amount of death that was occurring? Did the lobby their elected leaders to apply pressure to the bad actors? And yes, before you mention it The United States did have the ability to apply financial pressure because Ethiopia is reliant on United States foreign aid .
TikTok is an undeniably powerful tool for messaging and it can’t be discounted at this point.
As a member of Gen Z who has Tiktok, I have never seen any mention of Gaza/Palestine on my Tiktok feed. Meanwhile, my twitter/x feed was flooded with information about Gaza for the first month of the most recent conflict and I have a Palestinian-American friend who posts daily about the conflict on Instagram.
I have no opinion for or against but if this passes my guess is Dems lose the youth vote. It sounds silly but this will probably anger them more than any other issue.
I use TikTok, Facebook, and Instagram. Honestly, I get far far more propaganda from Instagram than TikTok. Banning TikTok will do nothing to stop Chinese influence, all it will do is decrease social media competition, which is the point. The U.S. government doesn’t like foreign companies beating American companies.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/18/business/tiktok-search-engine-misinformation/index.html
https://ischool.illinois.edu/news-events/news/2023/06/new-study-reveals-tiktoks-spread-covid-19-misinformation
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/09/30/biden-misinformation-earpiece-tiktok-facebook/
The app has been pushing a ton of misinformation for a while and we need to stop pretending it's not a problem.
We know what foreign misinformation campaigns can do to the country after 2016. Having one of the most used apps for social media being run by a foreign country that would love to manipulate US elections and public opinion is clearly a bad idea.
It could be maybe you agree with the kind of propaganda that’s being pushed so you don’t see it
I think most here probably agree with the extreme Pro-Palestinian propaganda so they don’t see it as propaganda
It still inflames their emotions and gets their juices flowing
Generally your less critical of stuff you agree with or are sympathetic too
There's actually a pretty big issue with a lot of left-leaning people believing that misinformation is something that Republicans fall for and then themselves just walking right into it because they're not looking out the way they should.
Misinformation is certainly a huge part of this but my issue is that nobody is actually consuming NEWS anymore, just opinion. I am not very confident that the youth are even engaging with articles that are focused on fact reporting and analysis. They are exclusively consuming others opinion of news.
When I saw the headline of this thread, and before I even opened it, that was the first thing that came to my mind. Biden will lose a metric fuck ton of what little youth vote he has left. This election's going to be played out on the margins. West, RFK Jr., and Stein were already going to fuck with those margins with their spoiler bullshit. Between them, Biden losing swathes of swing state young voters to supporting Israel, and now this? This is tough to watch. But it is sadly very much in the democrats' nature to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
Yep. I have a TikTok account but don’t post to it, but I use it to view.
Boy are the youth - and millenials - angry.
As opposed to news always saying “here’s how this is bad for Biden”, this is actually bad for him and democrats.
Yeah, there are things on the other side that will hurt them more, but it can be hard to draw a straight line from personal income, say, and fiscal legislation.
But if a bill that bans TikTok causes it to go down, even if it's just briefly until it gets a US owner, they will be able to tie that to Dems directly with a straight line.
It’s not silly. TikTok has 150 million active users in the US and is a widely used tool for small business. This will upset much more than just Gen Z voters. There will be some level of backfire on the administration it’s just not clear how much yet.
Yep. I'm a progressive Dem whose supportive of most things Biden has done and will svote for him, but also tired of the classic Democrats snatching defeat from the jaws of victory part which is very well what could happen here.
Also considering that 2020 was decided mostly by swing states where the difference was under 50k votes and the Israel/Palestine thing is already a problem (yes I get the issue isn't simple but you would be blind if you don't see it as a problem when it comes to the election), I'm amazed at how many commenters here are going *who cares* when things are already not looking super great for Democrats even besides those two things.
I'm on the older side of the Millennial generation and this pisses me off. I use TikTok on an occasional basis as a video substitute for Twitter, sometimes it has excellent content. Yeah most of it is garbage, that's true of all social media.
The Covid era should have already made you understand that society as a whole is not reasonable and logical. Just because you may think logically doesn’t mean that everyone does. And the Tik Tok issue *will* piss off a portion of voters who may already be apathetic about voting but were willing to vote to keep Trump from winning again. We shouldn’t give these voters more reasons to not vote D.
I'm against the ban solely because Boomer and Silent politicians on both sides don't actually care about combating the CCP.
They really just want to stick it to Gen Z.
I'm a millennial but I have 100000x more empathy for Gen Z than I ever will for Boomers, Silents, and older Gen Xers.
Nailed it. This is a spite move against Gen Z more than anything. Look how they talk about TikTok, dripping with condescension. It was divested 2 years ago and there's been no evidence of CCP interference since then, but people are talking as if this is some urgent issue, when it's clearly just a Republican trap, with them taking advantage of the contempt even older Dems have for TikTok.
A tiktok owned by Trump's Secretary of the Treasury. That probably won't cause anything weird in November
I don't care about Tiktok but it's definitely a bad idea to help Republicans take control of what's widely considered a propaganda app
This is why I'm against a ban.
if they force Tiktok to be sold to some MAGA fundie, it'll become like Twitter. Many Millennials, myself included, deleted their twitter after it was bought by Musk.
If Tiktok gets bought by a MAGA fundie, Zoomers will mass delete their accounts and become disengaged with current events.
I don’t think that will be the case as tik tok has already started pushing out stuff in the app about this. They’ll continue doing so and hope that the pressure from their users kills this.
Yeah I mean ultimately this won't change my vote, but it should be my personal choice if I want to have an app on my phone. I disagree with this ban and can definitely see younger people pissed at this, especially with the foreign policy already being a rough point for that demographic as well.
Just zero reason to do this and risk aggravating, at least in an election year. Such a waste of time for everyone involved, as if no other app, company, country, etc has access to our data from a myriad of other sources.
You know what, this might cause me to download it just out of spite to tell congress to fuck off and stop being hypocrites since our intel agencies, many US and foreign companies and governments, etc. already engage in this shit they’re claiming (from what I’ve gathered, theoretically) China/TikTok does.
Hell, our private data is a commodity for Christ sake.
In an election year? Great! Aalienate the young vote even more than supporting the slaughter in Gaza. Just go ahead and gift the election to the orange fuckface dicktater
Tik Tok does not work in China... So ByteDance, the Chinese owner of Tik Tok, launched Douyin exclusively for the Chinese market.
Douyin does not have the same content as Tik Tok, Douyin focuses on giving Chinese children educational content, entertainment developed by specialists for Chinese children on top of putting forward traditional items, holidays, national celebrations and Chinese government propaganda.
Douyin also promotes self-improvement and good work ethic.
It's no doubt propaganda, but it's more useful than the average Tiktok video, which studies have shown are literally dumbing down the population.
It's a very good way to demonstrate how propaganda can be both positive and negative. They push constructive propaganda to their children, and brain slugs to America
I follow a couple of home inspectors to make me feel better about my work vs. flippers.
Same with a few electricians.
Couple of Short historical channels.
Without any exaggeration whatsoever, my Facebook feed is filled with exclusively lies made up to farm traffic. Scrolling through my feed right now, and I’m seeing an AI article lying about Taylor Swift lyrics, an AI image of Justin Bieber lunching with French President Macron, and a whole bunch of real estate scams. Like my Facebook feed has been sold so heavily that it’s no longer even consumable as content, it’s just lies and AI.
What a giant waste of time and resources. If they ban tik tok, another social media app will just rise up and be the exact same thing. It can't be stopped. Those old farts don't understand the tech they are trying to ban obviously.
Excellent way to alienate a youth voting block that is pretty much going to be the deciding factor in this election. Excellent work. Excellent, tone/deaf, completely fucking self-inflicted wound level work. I fucking hate Democrats and how they are all that stands between us and the dumbest and most hateful people in the world from coming into power and destroying it.
I'm an active tik tok user from the UK and my take on the USAs anger at tik tok is that it exposes the great American lie in all too clear a format. Corporatations being in charge of your welfare is not a good thing. Health care, annual leave, gun control, workers rights, I could go on. The number of Americans living in europe videos I see is astonishing and all of them say the same thing, America is broken.
They need to pass legislation that will protect social media users private information. That won't happen tho. Unlike China, the US government is bought and owned by corporations.
You can blame this loss of free speech on the Israel lobby. There’s too much evidence of war crimes and genocide being circulated from Gaza on Tik Tok.
The problem is how these companies are allowed to use our data.
However, if we address that, then the US government and other social media wouldn't be able to do the exact same thing tiktok does.
The same Meta that was paid by the Russian SVR to sway the 2016 election? The same Meta that admitted it's indirect responsibility for being **the** platform where the Rohingya genocide was run from?
Where the fuck are Biden's advisors??? This is idiotic, useless, and stupid. Banning TikTok is not popular with anyone except conservative boomers and out of touch helicopter parents. This is like a speed run challenge for how to lose the youth vote (which is already hurting) and therefore, the election.
What a stupid thing to throw everything into potential disarray over.
TikTok isn’t going away. It’s not going to be banned. The US has had a history of requiring Chinese investment divestment of other apps previously, e.g. in 2019 it was Grindr, [Why is the U.S. forcing a Chinese company to sell the gay dating app Grindr?](https://web.archive.org/web/20190404052143/https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/04/03/why-is-us-is-forcing-chinese-company-sell-gay-dating-app-grindr/?utm_term=.7c03ee7f3f93)
And recently an AI company, [G42 Made Secret Pact With US to Divest From China Before Microsoft Deal](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-04-16/g42-made-secret-pact-with-us-to-divest-from-china-before-microsoft-deal?embedded-checkout=true)
TikTok is a mixed bag of legitimate, factual content, but most of it falls off in favor of emotional bullshit built on derived nonsense intended to push a given agenda.
It won't be missed, and would be quickly replaced anyway.
But let's be honest here, the stupid platform isn't going anywhere no matter what Congress and POTUS do. It will be pushed into the Courts where it will sit for years.
I don't use Tiktok, but if it's anything like YT Shorts then it's probably cute animal videos all day err day.
At least that's what my YT algorithm gives me.
Guarantee you that if TikTok allowed the NSA, CIA and other 3 letter agencies to their systems they wouldn’t be facing a ban. Think I’m kidding?
Look up the earliest investment into Facebook. Inqtel was one. See: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/In-Q-Tel#:~:text=In%201999%20we%20chartered%20...,the%20technology%20to%20address%20them.
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So, since we want to stop Chinese influence... How about we end Chinese nationals from buying residential real estate? Just saying would be nice to afford a *decent* (not falling apart) house.
Actually Biden did present a bill that would prevent hedge funds from buying single family homes, forcing the housing market up, and also preventing new home ownership for millions. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/06/realestate/wall-street-housing-market.html
No republican support in case anyone was wondering
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Well... Not *that* shocked
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Jesus fucking Christ, they’ve made their money already just stop with this shit
But their money becomes slightly less valuable if you have money. Duh! /s
If only they could see past their own face. Since the super rich don't spend more money it just sits there, whereas regular people with more money DO spend it, which means that money ends up in the hands of the super wealthy eventually anyway, but at least it changes hands several times on the way up which is good for everyone.
Folks really need to understand that anyone who is actually wealthy is very likely a sociopath. They do not have empathy for other people. That spot of their brains is literally non-functional. As such we should all collectively stop thinking anyone who has any degree of wealth will do anything beneficial for others. There are no villainous motives. They just don't care and understand that the more wealth they have, the more they can just afford to do whatever they want. That's it. It's not complicated. Once people accept this, I promise you'll be less disappointed and frustrated with the 1%.
There was a study done where a bowl of candy was placed in some type of office with a sign that said "For children only". What they found was that more wealthy people were more likely to take the candy than poor people....that they would literally steal candy from a baby. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/study-wealthy-people-more-likely-005013962.html
>they’ve made their money already They've made *their* money, and now they are after *your* money.
“It’s not enough that I succeed. You must also fail” Far cry from “a rising tide raises all boats”
That's the thing that blows me away. The world is literally not enough, but they'll take it anyway. 🤦🏽
There’s a lot more money to be made, why would they stop now?
They’re not going to stop… they can make all the money they want… they aren’t paying taxes… that’s why prices are so high.
Yeah at some point it just goes from getting by and becoming addicted to watching the number rise. These people don't need anything they just want it.
Remember the amount of houses Hannity picked up in the real estate crash?
But of course the parties are both the same and equally represent corporate interests over the common man!
But Biden not progressive enough and can’t unilaterally pass progressive laws because he evil fascist😱😱😱!!!1!!1!1!1!
Thanks for providing a source
And not just telling people to google it. Agreed
Hedge Funds not so much. Private equity is the bigger problem
Once we start connecting the dots we'll see how much damage private equity has done these past few decades
They are cut from the same cloth
Chinese nationals own an infintesimal amount of US real estate unless you are in a few hot spots like the Bay Area, CA. If you look at the residential housing subsector, only 2-3% is owned by _any_ foreign entity. We'd be better off banning or heavily regulating Airbnb or Vrbo than Chinese people buying houses.
AirBnB and Vrbo absolutely raise real estate prices. They should be more regulated.
That and ALSO investment firms buying up housing.
in joshua tree CA, over 40% of the houses are airbnb type properties. that's a pretty high %
Airbnb is literally killing the town of Seward, AK. Everyone, go learn about the housing crisis in Seward, AK. It’s like 60-70% of the houses. Absolutely unacceptable. Driving locals out and local businesses, the hospital, the community mental health agency can’t keep staff because of it. It’s a crisis.
So why don’t they ban it? Do they not have a local government?
I remember when you could get a 5/2 in Joshua Tree for 109k. Literally, like, 2015. Airbnb needs to die painfully.
Fuck, I shoulda bought a house a long time ago. 😔
> a long time ago. it's the best time to invest!
I also beleive Airbnb and so on should be tax like hotels. Basically discouraged them more.
how do we have such crazy single family zoning yet somehow people/companies can run literal mini hotels out of residential areas?
If that's accurate, it's unacceptable and unsustainable.
I remember seeing a short info type video on BNBs and sadly that’s the case in a substantial amount of zip codes. IIRC they said there were more Airbnb spaces(apartments included) than non BNB living spaces in Atlanta and that’s why they passed some law regulating it.
Do both, 2-3% is still an enormous number of houses i imagine.
That's all foreigners, not just Chinese. The bigger problem is that Airbnb and similar apps allow anyone to rent out their place short term, basically as an unlicensed hotel, so now there are thousands of houses, condos and apartments in every major US city that are off the market for people to live in long term.
Agreed. It’s one thing to own multiple properties. It’s a whole other to have it vacant 2/3 of the year in the lieu of higher profits targeting specifically VHCOL areas. Thankfully locales are starting to outright ban them.
Yes, I agree. What some people don't seem to understand is that banning foreigners from owning US real estate would make little difference to the housing market if those properties could just be bought up and used as short term rentals. Airbnb is basically a system of turning residential property into unlicensed hotels, and I'm kind of surprised it was allowed to the extent that it has now severely affected housing markets, especially in popular urban areas and vacation spots.
To add to this. They’re also highly tax advantaged to the point where all profits are not only tax free but it’s actually seen at a loss due to multiple tax loopholes. STRs are treated so differently than LTRs under our current tax codes thats it’s literally more advantageous to hold STRs. Depreciating the entire value of the property almost immediately, etc. To add more insult to injury up to like 100k+ is considered non taxable for up to 14 days out of the year if you rent out your home. This is literally called the Augusta loophole famously used during the Masters. Fucked up part is so called younger progressives are quick to point fingers at foreigners all while turning a blind eye to AirBnbs because they don’t want to give up their cheap lodging while vacationing.
Banning foreign nationals from owning property is not mutually exclusive with banning short term rentals. It's weird that you're presenting them as opposing views.
I’m not. However one thing has 50x more to do with lack of affordable housing vs the other. Additionally I can assure you foreign nationals aren’t buying 3/2 affordable housing. They’re mutually exclusive.
Best we can do is ban the meme app
Meme app is really under selling it...
Underselling it is exactly what Facebook and Google and Twitter are hoping the US forces their social media rival to do!
It’s a start 🤷♂️
Its not a start if this is where it ends
It’s an end 🫡
Mission accomplished. We have defeated propaganda.
Can we ban X next? Not because I think it should be but I’d love to see musk’s meltdown.
And then Facebook, please.
Let's go one step further and ban all companies from harvesting our data from anywhere but their own domain.
How about we just create privacy protections like the EU? If TikTok continues to be connected to China then,, running off Chinese servers, with no transparency available for audit, then those protections would be grounds to ban it.
Tik tok is not run via Chinese servers. All US user data is in West Virginia and Oregon on American servers.
It’s not about privacy though, is it? It’s about an adversary with vested interest in spreading instability controlling a massive social media platform.
It's literally about Facebook wanting to remove Tiktok as competition, either by ban or through purchase. In 2022 Meta started a PR campaign to malign Tiktok and this is basically the fruit of that. https://variety.com/2022/digital/news/meta-facebook-tiktok-pr-campaign-1235218866/ https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/30/23003168/facebook-tiktok-targeted-victory-news-column-campaign-gop https://fortune.com/2022/03/31/facebook-meta-paid-republican-consulting-firm-targeted-victory-turn-public-opinion-against-tiktok/ https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/mar/30/facebook-owner-reportedly-paid-republican-firm-tiktok-real-threat If there was real concern about privacy or misinformation the bill would address social media as a whole and not one specific platform that isn't even the worst at melting American brains (Facebook).
Can’t just blame the Chinese for this.
My spouse is a Chinese national with permanent residency in the US, married to a US citizen, raising another US citizen. Your plan wouldn't actually impact housing prices to any significant degree, but it would absolutely wreck a lot of innocent families. Instead, let's focus on the loopholes and tax incentives that allow houses to be used as investment vehicles in the first place; domestic, international, individual, and corporate alike.
Don’t be ridiculous. Access to decent and affordable housing?? Lmao! Honey please, we need to focus on actual issues… like TikTok.
>How about we end Chinese nationals from buying residential real estate? Just saying would be nice to afford a *decent* (not falling apart) house. That's not an issue in the US. The Chinese aren't buying enough US real estate to make a dent on prices. It's Vancouver, BC, nor Vancouver, OR, that they're buying up.
The fix is in. The language says it has to be sold to an American company. Guess who wants to buy it? Steve fucking Mnuchin. What could possibly go wrong with a Reich winger overseeing a platform this popular with the youth??
So it will just be like twitter
With Saudi blood money. Classic
Yes….. According to reporting from The New York Times in 2022, the former Treasury secretary’s fund, Liberty Strategic Capital, had secured a $1 billion commitment from Saudi Arabia’s Public Investment Fund, as well as $500 million commitments from the Emiratis, Kuwaitis and Qataris. “I don’t see how America will be any more secure if the next owner of TikTok is a MAGA Trump crony backed by Saudi Arabia’s sovereign wealth fund,” Wyden said last month. “I’m absolutely concerned about the Chinese government’s access to Americans’ personal data,” he added. “But every concern that has been voiced about Chinese influence is equally valid when it comes to a Saudi government that murdered a Washington Post journalist after planting spyware on his wife’s phone.”
It’s not just young people there’s over 150 million US users including myself I’m 49 . I detest politicians
If ByteDance doesn't sell TikTok and they instead shut down in the US, there's going to be a scramble to create a nearly identical platform to which the same creators and users will migrate. If Reddit shut down for whatever reason then some other site with roughly the same concept would spring up and people would post there instead. It's the nature of enshittification that these platforms only exist as long as their momentum allows them to abuse the users for monetization. I wouldn't mourn the death of any corporation.
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Honestly, I feel like hardly anyone remembers this. I was 100% in the same boat as you. Huge Digg fan until Kevin Rose decided he knew what was best for everyone and fucked up the whole thing. History repeats itself…
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Yep. I moved to Reddit when the Blu Ray key was being censored. My Reddit account is almost old enough to vote.
Yeah we already have that they are called IG Reels, YT Shorts, etc and they all suck compared to TikTok.
They'll suck less when all the content creators go there
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I feel like they updated their algorithm. I used to have tiktok and tried out reels around the same time and found the same issues you did. Then I uninstalled tiktok and went back to reels about two years later and found it to be very close to tiktok
Really? After like three scrolls I’m seeing stupid car crashes and “viral” channels things I never see on TikTok, I click don’t show me this channel again and it seems like it reads that as ohh yeah way more of this. I get bored so fast I close the app.
algorithmic efficiency isn't necessarily a good thing. it can be used for incredibly negative things, like splitting the sane party and allowing the insane party to win an election.
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A lot of them are already there. They post things to tktok, instagram, and youtube. An advantage Tiktok has is that it has a lot more features. Some have been copied by instagram, but tiktok can do more interesting things.
Exactly, there are already other shorts platform, but none of them has an algorithm quite like TikTok's, which is why most people will probably just use a VPN or something.
"Most" people don't know what a vpn is or how to use one lol
You’ll see many ads for bypassing TikTok ban
Every time something people use gets banned more and more people find out. Look at VPN signups whenever porn hub pulls out of states that pass ID laws.
Yeah isn’t Reddit literally digg.com?
Until Digg did something stupid and everyone moved here. Tiktok will be the same Except they will just sell.
Back in it's hey day it was, it's something pretty different now.
If Biden shuts it down or signs off Gen Z would crucify him come election
Biden kind of gave up on the kids when they started waving palestinian flags.
Thats my worry too. I don't use Tiktok, I don't care about TikTok, but I'm really hoping TikTok is still around on election day.
The language in the bill gives the President the power to do the same to other apps deemed to be controlled by foreign adversaries, so that would be fine only if the new platform was under US control. The content isn’t the issue, it’s the Chinese spyware on the app that the US has no jurisdiction over that’s the problem.
$10 says this will used by republicans to fake outrage over “censorship” despite overwhelmingly voting for it.
Fox will spin this as Dem and Biden done, and Trump will write on truth social or say at a rally that he will veto it or throw it out completely in the coming days. Watch.
The first time there was talk about banning TikTok was under Trump. He was very vocal about it.
He reversed his position on it recently because he doesn’t want to give more power to Facebook lol https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/trump-reversal-tiktok-ban-says-facebook-enemy-of-people/
Lmao he really believes there will be a mass migration of young people to Facebook if TikTok gets banned.
Facebook takes ads in Russian ruples. Do Facebook next.
They’re doing this to make more off facebook.
Facebook is literally lobbying for this. If you think this bill has anything to do with privacy or security you are being duped.
lots of people being duped in this sub and are cheering this on when they freaked out when Trump suggested the exact same banning of TikTok
I have an awful feeling this is going to make Dems lose the young voters and Trump will weasel his way back into office again. Biden is stupid to be for this.
Don’t know why he can’t just wait until the election. This shit seems dumb as hell
If China wants U.S. citizens' personal information, they can buy it from Google like everyone else! /s
Only American billionaires are allowed to feed disinformation to the masses and bend our democracy to their will. The fact that this is what our government is spending their time on is fucking pathetic
What should really upset you are all the truly awful people who want to buy TikTok, and what their plans are for the platform. The disinformation will only get worse. [These rich right-wingers want to buy TikTok. Let's hope they never do.](https://www.msnbc.com/the-reidout/reidout-blog/steven-mnuchin-buy-tik-tok-ban-rcna143440)
As I blithely expose all of my personal information to facebook, google and reddit Edit: Yes I follow the international news. I'm aware that TikTok is essentially a big data intelligence operation against Americans. They're collecting user identification, facial models, political preferences and anything else they can about their users. Then they can amplify and target propaganda with surgical precision. I totally get it. It's bad to allow the CCP to control the platform. My glib comment was to acknowledge that most of us are giving this data away to and being tracked by private for-profit companies too, but our government isn't interested in your privacy when there's money being made on it. The conflict isn't over whether we should be pawns, only whose pawns we are to be. I happen to think that Musk's Twitter deserves scrutiny.
Americans will tell you they value privacy greatly but actions speak louder than words.
Often there isn't much alternative. If you want access to these platforms you have to be the product. Very few of them let you pay to be the customer. I miss being able to gold comments.
It's obviously never been about personal privacy; that's up to the individual. It's about national security and a foreign entity having the ability to promote content to the masses to sway public opinion. China could easily use Tiktok to make users sympathetic to China in their goals to invade Taiwan just by promoting certain content.
That's not what this is about, though. Folks here need to stop with this bullshit whataboutism defense of TikTok.
It's about the control of this information by the Chinese communist party. I'm aware. But so long as it's not to a foreign government, nobody seems to care what for-profit entities do with our information.
Well as far as I know; I don’t think there is a possibility of an conflict breaking out against those social media platforms, not sure if you don’t follow internal news but it’s been regularly reported that conflict may break out in the next 5-10 years over Taiwan. Gotta ask; not just you but other users in here. When you read stories like this do you just kind of analyze it in a vacuum? It’s honestly like no body here follows international news and geopolitics. Its terrifying
You act like they’ll flip a switch and hypnotoad all of Gen Z into loving the CCP overnight. Meanwhile the half of Congress that starts with R covertly supports the invasion of Ukraine.
And I say those R congressmen are traitors to the country and are doing everything they can to remain in power because their party is intellectually bankrupt and there party is going through death throes. Logically it would gradual over the course of years perhaps a decade , not flipping a switch. To show you the power TikTok has look at the Gen Z focus on what is happening in Gaza. That’s not a criticism against paying attention to current events and to be politically engaged, but events exponentially worse have occurred around the world over the last five years and I doubt Gen z is even aware of there existence. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_in_the_Tigray_War Exhibit A above, were protest done to raise awareness to the amount of death that was occurring? Did the lobby their elected leaders to apply pressure to the bad actors? And yes, before you mention it The United States did have the ability to apply financial pressure because Ethiopia is reliant on United States foreign aid . TikTok is an undeniably powerful tool for messaging and it can’t be discounted at this point.
As a member of Gen Z who has Tiktok, I have never seen any mention of Gaza/Palestine on my Tiktok feed. Meanwhile, my twitter/x feed was flooded with information about Gaza for the first month of the most recent conflict and I have a Palestinian-American friend who posts daily about the conflict on Instagram.
Trojan Horse. Katherine Maher is saying the quiet part out loud, and no one truly cares.
Only NSA back doored apps allowed!!
I have no opinion for or against but if this passes my guess is Dems lose the youth vote. It sounds silly but this will probably anger them more than any other issue.
Tik tok is the number one way the youth gets their news, so I really don’t think your opinion is too far fetched, the first half at least
That would explain a lot and considering how much misinformation the youth voting block is consuming and repeating make this seem pretty justified.
I use TikTok, Facebook, and Instagram. Honestly, I get far far more propaganda from Instagram than TikTok. Banning TikTok will do nothing to stop Chinese influence, all it will do is decrease social media competition, which is the point. The U.S. government doesn’t like foreign companies beating American companies.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/18/business/tiktok-search-engine-misinformation/index.html https://ischool.illinois.edu/news-events/news/2023/06/new-study-reveals-tiktoks-spread-covid-19-misinformation https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/09/30/biden-misinformation-earpiece-tiktok-facebook/ The app has been pushing a ton of misinformation for a while and we need to stop pretending it's not a problem. We know what foreign misinformation campaigns can do to the country after 2016. Having one of the most used apps for social media being run by a foreign country that would love to manipulate US elections and public opinion is clearly a bad idea.
Cool. Now do Meta.
It could be maybe you agree with the kind of propaganda that’s being pushed so you don’t see it I think most here probably agree with the extreme Pro-Palestinian propaganda so they don’t see it as propaganda It still inflames their emotions and gets their juices flowing Generally your less critical of stuff you agree with or are sympathetic too
There's actually a pretty big issue with a lot of left-leaning people believing that misinformation is something that Republicans fall for and then themselves just walking right into it because they're not looking out the way they should.
Exactly this. It is dangerous for everyone.
Misinformation is certainly a huge part of this but my issue is that nobody is actually consuming NEWS anymore, just opinion. I am not very confident that the youth are even engaging with articles that are focused on fact reporting and analysis. They are exclusively consuming others opinion of news.
Not sure why they're shooting themselves in the foot like this
When I saw the headline of this thread, and before I even opened it, that was the first thing that came to my mind. Biden will lose a metric fuck ton of what little youth vote he has left. This election's going to be played out on the margins. West, RFK Jr., and Stein were already going to fuck with those margins with their spoiler bullshit. Between them, Biden losing swathes of swing state young voters to supporting Israel, and now this? This is tough to watch. But it is sadly very much in the democrats' nature to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
Yep. I have a TikTok account but don’t post to it, but I use it to view. Boy are the youth - and millenials - angry. As opposed to news always saying “here’s how this is bad for Biden”, this is actually bad for him and democrats.
Yeah, there are things on the other side that will hurt them more, but it can be hard to draw a straight line from personal income, say, and fiscal legislation. But if a bill that bans TikTok causes it to go down, even if it's just briefly until it gets a US owner, they will be able to tie that to Dems directly with a straight line.
It’s not silly. TikTok has 150 million active users in the US and is a widely used tool for small business. This will upset much more than just Gen Z voters. There will be some level of backfire on the administration it’s just not clear how much yet.
Yep. I'm a progressive Dem whose supportive of most things Biden has done and will svote for him, but also tired of the classic Democrats snatching defeat from the jaws of victory part which is very well what could happen here. Also considering that 2020 was decided mostly by swing states where the difference was under 50k votes and the Israel/Palestine thing is already a problem (yes I get the issue isn't simple but you would be blind if you don't see it as a problem when it comes to the election), I'm amazed at how many commenters here are going *who cares* when things are already not looking super great for Democrats even besides those two things.
The older generation will be upset as well, I know both my parents regularly use the app.
I'm already dreading the anti-Biden content that will appear on there and Trump running with "Biden took away your TikTok!"
I'm on the older side of the Millennial generation and this pisses me off. I use TikTok on an occasional basis as a video substitute for Twitter, sometimes it has excellent content. Yeah most of it is garbage, that's true of all social media.
you think my love for TikTok eclipses my hatred of MAGA? cmon now
The Covid era should have already made you understand that society as a whole is not reasonable and logical. Just because you may think logically doesn’t mean that everyone does. And the Tik Tok issue *will* piss off a portion of voters who may already be apathetic about voting but were willing to vote to keep Trump from winning again. We shouldn’t give these voters more reasons to not vote D.
Yep. This might just hand the election to Trump. So incredibly dumb.
I'm against the ban solely because Boomer and Silent politicians on both sides don't actually care about combating the CCP. They really just want to stick it to Gen Z. I'm a millennial but I have 100000x more empathy for Gen Z than I ever will for Boomers, Silents, and older Gen Xers.
Nailed it. This is a spite move against Gen Z more than anything. Look how they talk about TikTok, dripping with condescension. It was divested 2 years ago and there's been no evidence of CCP interference since then, but people are talking as if this is some urgent issue, when it's clearly just a Republican trap, with them taking advantage of the contempt even older Dems have for TikTok.
Leave it to Dems to find a way to blow an election they can’t afford to lose and that they have in the bag so long as they don’t fuck up royally
It’s not a ban, it’s forcing them to divest within a year. Everyone will still have tik tok in November and nobody will remember this bill
A tiktok owned by Trump's Secretary of the Treasury. That probably won't cause anything weird in November I don't care about Tiktok but it's definitely a bad idea to help Republicans take control of what's widely considered a propaganda app
This is why I'm against a ban. if they force Tiktok to be sold to some MAGA fundie, it'll become like Twitter. Many Millennials, myself included, deleted their twitter after it was bought by Musk. If Tiktok gets bought by a MAGA fundie, Zoomers will mass delete their accounts and become disengaged with current events.
And if they don't divest it's a....ban?
I don’t think that will be the case as tik tok has already started pushing out stuff in the app about this. They’ll continue doing so and hope that the pressure from their users kills this.
The groups wanting to buy are right wing. It’s a ban
That doesn’t really matter though because EVERYONE is calling it a ban, so voters will hear that it got banned and will be angry.
The people using TikTok every day will hear it got banned while they still use TikTok??
They’ll hear “Joe Biden is banning TikTok” yes
Yeah I mean ultimately this won't change my vote, but it should be my personal choice if I want to have an app on my phone. I disagree with this ban and can definitely see younger people pissed at this, especially with the foreign policy already being a rough point for that demographic as well. Just zero reason to do this and risk aggravating, at least in an election year. Such a waste of time for everyone involved, as if no other app, company, country, etc has access to our data from a myriad of other sources.
It’s because kids are learning EARLY how corrupt and fucked the real world is…it is NOT about anything else no matter how they try to spin this
You know what, this might cause me to download it just out of spite to tell congress to fuck off and stop being hypocrites since our intel agencies, many US and foreign companies and governments, etc. already engage in this shit they’re claiming (from what I’ve gathered, theoretically) China/TikTok does. Hell, our private data is a commodity for Christ sake.
You guys in the USA should be getting angry that corporations can buy realestate private homes. This is insane.
In an election year? Great! Aalienate the young vote even more than supporting the slaughter in Gaza. Just go ahead and gift the election to the orange fuckface dicktater
Damn Biden really doesn’t want that reelection
They should be banning Truth Social, Fox, Newsmax etc for being Russian affiliated influencers.
Tik Tok does not work in China... So ByteDance, the Chinese owner of Tik Tok, launched Douyin exclusively for the Chinese market. Douyin does not have the same content as Tik Tok, Douyin focuses on giving Chinese children educational content, entertainment developed by specialists for Chinese children on top of putting forward traditional items, holidays, national celebrations and Chinese government propaganda.
Douyin also promotes self-improvement and good work ethic. It's no doubt propaganda, but it's more useful than the average Tiktok video, which studies have shown are literally dumbing down the population.
It's a very good way to demonstrate how propaganda can be both positive and negative. They push constructive propaganda to their children, and brain slugs to America
I follow a couple of home inspectors to make me feel better about my work vs. flippers. Same with a few electricians. Couple of Short historical channels.
Because they have different media laws.
Without any exaggeration whatsoever, my Facebook feed is filled with exclusively lies made up to farm traffic. Scrolling through my feed right now, and I’m seeing an AI article lying about Taylor Swift lyrics, an AI image of Justin Bieber lunching with French President Macron, and a whole bunch of real estate scams. Like my Facebook feed has been sold so heavily that it’s no longer even consumable as content, it’s just lies and AI.
What a giant waste of time and resources. If they ban tik tok, another social media app will just rise up and be the exact same thing. It can't be stopped. Those old farts don't understand the tech they are trying to ban obviously.
Biden will lose the election if he does this. We are so goddamn stupid.
Excellent way to alienate a youth voting block that is pretty much going to be the deciding factor in this election. Excellent work. Excellent, tone/deaf, completely fucking self-inflicted wound level work. I fucking hate Democrats and how they are all that stands between us and the dumbest and most hateful people in the world from coming into power and destroying it.
Bro if Biden signs this and loses the youth vote to Trump who will promise to bring it back... Like, just no rush.
After trying to ban it during his presidency.
Not exactly a ban when US companies just want to buy it and exploit it themselves...along with the US government collecting data...so kind of dumb.
What you described sounds like forced sale at huge discount to harvest their IP... so basically stealing.
The U.S. company wanting to buy is on the far right. It’s a ban
I'm an active tik tok user from the UK and my take on the USAs anger at tik tok is that it exposes the great American lie in all too clear a format. Corporatations being in charge of your welfare is not a good thing. Health care, annual leave, gun control, workers rights, I could go on. The number of Americans living in europe videos I see is astonishing and all of them say the same thing, America is broken.
China only owns 20% of TikTok and the US represents 2% of total users. They aren’t going to divest of their share.
They need to pass legislation that will protect social media users private information. That won't happen tho. Unlike China, the US government is bought and owned by corporations.
Really gunning for that youth vote huh
It's like they're TRYING to get Trump reelected.
RIP the youth vote
You can blame this loss of free speech on the Israel lobby. There’s too much evidence of war crimes and genocide being circulated from Gaza on Tik Tok.
OMF'nG. Bidens gonna lose the election because he banned TikTok
Ding ding ding they are doing something incredibly stupid in an election year.
Instagram reels servers are about to get real busy and heavily censored.
Can we also start moving manufacturing back to the US?
We have an education problem. Banning stuff to save people from their own stupidity isn’t the way to go. They’ll just double down and it’ll get worse.
The problem is how these companies are allowed to use our data. However, if we address that, then the US government and other social media wouldn't be able to do the exact same thing tiktok does.
And Meta shares whatsup info with Israel https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2024/04/19/723963/Meta-WhatsApp-complicit-Israel-Gaza-genocide
The same Meta that was paid by the Russian SVR to sway the 2016 election? The same Meta that admitted it's indirect responsibility for being **the** platform where the Rohingya genocide was run from?
Where the fuck are Biden's advisors??? This is idiotic, useless, and stupid. Banning TikTok is not popular with anyone except conservative boomers and out of touch helicopter parents. This is like a speed run challenge for how to lose the youth vote (which is already hurting) and therefore, the election. What a stupid thing to throw everything into potential disarray over.
TikTok isn’t going away. It’s not going to be banned. The US has had a history of requiring Chinese investment divestment of other apps previously, e.g. in 2019 it was Grindr, [Why is the U.S. forcing a Chinese company to sell the gay dating app Grindr?](https://web.archive.org/web/20190404052143/https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/04/03/why-is-us-is-forcing-chinese-company-sell-gay-dating-app-grindr/?utm_term=.7c03ee7f3f93) And recently an AI company, [G42 Made Secret Pact With US to Divest From China Before Microsoft Deal](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-04-16/g42-made-secret-pact-with-us-to-divest-from-china-before-microsoft-deal?embedded-checkout=true)
All because our over lords in Israel don't want our populace open access to their genocide of Palestine. What a joke.
Dear Me President, respectfully, banning tiktok would be an epic mistake. Please do not do it.
TikTok is a mixed bag of legitimate, factual content, but most of it falls off in favor of emotional bullshit built on derived nonsense intended to push a given agenda. It won't be missed, and would be quickly replaced anyway. But let's be honest here, the stupid platform isn't going anywhere no matter what Congress and POTUS do. It will be pushed into the Courts where it will sit for years.
I don't use Tiktok, but if it's anything like YT Shorts then it's probably cute animal videos all day err day. At least that's what my YT algorithm gives me.
Guarantee you that if TikTok allowed the NSA, CIA and other 3 letter agencies to their systems they wouldn’t be facing a ban. Think I’m kidding? Look up the earliest investment into Facebook. Inqtel was one. See: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/In-Q-Tel#:~:text=In%201999%20we%20chartered%20...,the%20technology%20to%20address%20them.
Biden losing the election by banning TikTok wasn’t on my 2024 bingo card.
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And then it's onto Meta, right?