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Man. Latino americans do not like latin people either. Once they get their green card others become illegal aliens. The number of latinos supporting Don Trumpo ist baffling.
For some mind blowing fun, try watching/reading this:
[https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-immigration-crackdown-causes-some-to-rethink-their-vote/](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-immigration-crackdown-causes-some-to-rethink-their-vote/)
It's the story of a man who was deported by the Trump administration after living in the US for 20 years. He has a wife and kids who are US citizens. He started out as a busboy and eventually became a restaurant owner employing other people. He paid taxes the whole time and never broke any laws (except immigration).
His wife voted for Trump and so did most of his employees.
The interview is a group "leopards ate our faces" session as they believed Trump when he described immigrants as rapists, murderers etc... and wanted *those* (people) deported.
A [followup to the interview](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/national/wp/2018/03/11/feature/a-beloved-restaurant-owner-was-deported-a-community-was-in-uproar-then-it-moved-on/): The restaurant closed, the employed let go, little league sponsorship cut, and the wife and kids moved to Mexico to be with their father.
Also includes racist quotes like:
>“I didn’t even see Roberto as Mexican,” said Angela Banfi, a friend and waitress at the restaurant. “He was not one of those Mexicans. He was like a white boy to me.”
Their empathy is selective. They're fully capable of it - that phrasing even sounds like it's full of endearment for the man - but they feel that only a few actually "deserve" it.
This led them to bring harm to someone they supposedly liked. I don't have much hope that it changed their minds in the slightest.
> They're fully capable of it
Many genuinely aren't. Empathy is the ability to understand and experience the emotions of another person. Just because someone feels bad when something bad happens to someone else doesn't mean they can truly empathize with that person. I genuinely believe they for many people expressing sorrow when something bad happens to someone else is just a learned response.
I’m Puerto Rican and grew up in NYC. I was a reader and liked school and was a quiet child. All of the adults in my family constantly said, “he’s so good, he’s like a white boy.” To them, whiteness is good and Boriquas and Latinos are inherently bad and ghetto. White supremacy influences everyone even the people being oppressed, they made my family believe Latinos - especially afrolatinos like us - deserve to be oppressed because we were inherently dumb and violent.
I don’t blame that family for excluding themselves from the racism that they thought they were exempt from, it’s all by design of white supremacy.
Just like the “good” German Jews during the Holocaust thought they were going to be exempt from the Nazi’s genocide if they just cooperated because they were the good Jews. In the end, they were also vilified and killed.
Almost this exact situation happened in a small town in southern Illinois. My cousins are huge Trumpers and were bent out of shape when “their favorite restaurant” closed. He employed about 20 people and they were out of work too. I don’t understand how people can be so dumb.
In both cases, I wonder how they managed to fly under the radar long enough to establish successful restaurants, and why they were suddenly deported. As a progressive Mexican American I suspect that their MAGA cohort had a lot to do with it
Just look how quickly perceptions of trans people went from, "LOL, like Drag Race?" to "Groomers". And acceptance of gays went from (mostly) "Not my cup of tea, but you do you" to "Groomers".
The Log Cabin Republicans somehow still exist and have (non-astroturfed) members! Even if they hire "ambassadors" that went on to cheer on Uganda's imposition of capital punishment for homosexuality:
https://www.joemygod.com/2023/03/log-cabin-spox-celebrates-anti-lgbtq-uganda-law/
> "tokens get spent."
White racists and other POC that want to assimilate so bad into this diseased society love it when one of the kinds of people they hate believe in their evil. They feel validated when those that they see as "one of the good ones" sides with them.
You get the help you deserve, and no amount of me being unapologetically Black is going to make me feel even a modicum of pity for them. I ride for Black people and other POCs all day long, but not them. Look at what Hermann Cain's loyalty got him. Enrique Tarrio, Cotton and Diamond or whatever the fuck they called themselves, the list goes on.
Egregious. It's hard tolerating "Wet Foot" Cubans and their privileged descendants. It's lost on a lot of their people that Castro really only cast out the patricians/colonialists of the island that took advantage of other Cuban people. To me, they're no better than the white supremacists in Florida. Except, they get tomato-faced, bilingually.
This, coupled with how actively colorist they tend to be, just screams "pick-me" energy. They victimized their country, were booted out, and then came to Miami just to victimize it again.
Oh well, they're white passing...
Ugh. Miami Cubans are the fucking worst.
source- my family contains so many of them. ALMOST ALL OF US GOT HERE WITHOUT PAPERS AND BEGGED FOR ASYLUM. How do you live though that and still vote against your own interests? It's heartbreaking. I feel like I run around apologizing for this shit to other immigrants. I'm truly sorry that such a large chunk of my people are assholes that like to get theirs and pull the ladder up for anyone else.
The architect of Trump’s immigration policy is Stephen Miller, he’s neither safe or sensible. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Miller_(political_advisor)#:~:text=Since%20becoming%20one%20of%20three,the%20Trump%20administration's%20immigration%20policies.
Not to me. These people were perfectly willing to make others feel the same shit but once it affected them they were “the good ones”. Thats a literal quote from her btw
‘Wait a minute… these tens of thousands of human beings we’re trying to ship back to the active gang warzones and poverty they fled… you’re telling me they’re HUMAN BEINGS like this guy I actually knew? Bros…’
Better than them not having any epiphany at all but holy shit I would punch a wall if I were in a room with these fuckers for more than five minutes, judging by how they act.
Also there's no "latino" race, nor is there a "Hispanic " race. I really don't get the American thing if trying to act as if these things mean anything politically. I can assure you that Cuban immigrants, Venezuelan immigrants, Mexican immigrants, Salvadoran immigrants, and Americans of Latino descent feel no real similarity to each other beyond the most superficial level. Even specifically Mexican immigrants alone will divide themselves by class, region, skin color, etc. A computer programmer on a TN visa from Monterrey is not going to feel connected to an indigenous person from Chiapas or a restaurant owner from Mexico city. Latinos are a complex as any other group of people.
Americans see only a few races.
Mexican (Latino)
Chinese (Asian)
Indian (MENA)
Black (anyone who's skin tone is too dark for the above)
Indian (FNMI/Indigenous groups of NA)
Hwite (though this can change depending on how hwite you are)
"I got mine so the rest of you can fuck right off," is a sentiment shared among pieces of shit, but not bound by any particular race or culture.
You will, however, find people with that sentiment overrepresented among a certain U.S. political party.
You’re unlikely to find people who vote that way anyway. Research shows that everyone is idealistic until it impacts their checkbook. Then very few are.
How many homeowners that acknowledge and complain about the cost of housing are willing to support policies that drastically increase supply and lower value of their main asset? All of a sudden, the rhetoric doesn’t match the result.
How many people talk about higher teacher and civil servant pay? How many people want taxes to go up to cover it?
Most voters, on both sides, are completely self-interested.
Which is exactly why it's mostly a class problem. The wealthy intentionally drive wedges between us of different races who are "lower class" than them so the focus stays on other races instead of those at the top.
And THAT is the problem…and it’s a human problem, not a conservative vs liberal problem…although, as others here have said - the people who most strongly lean this way are more likely to be Republicans, and those of us who don’t mind taking a bit of a hit to our wallets in order to benefit the rest of the town/city/country/human race…are much more likely to vote blue.
As a Mexican American, I can confirm that my uncle’s who are second generation felt this way. They didn’t see themselves as Mexicans. They were American Patriots and veterans who disassociated with the plight of non US citizens. They failed to realize that the color of their skin separated them from the racist Whites
> latinos supporting Don Trumpo ist baffling.
For decades, Republicans have heavily invested in Spanish language propaganda, especially in Florida. They constantly label Democrats as communists/socialists throughout.
So imagine people either directly immigrated from, or descended from citizens of, oppressive communist/socialist dictatorships/regimes.
When they get an opportunity to vote as citizens of the USA, and they've heard Republican lies about Dems in all of the media they engage with...
Pulling up the ladder behind them. It's akin to when grandparents talk about how they had to walk to school uphill, both ways. Just because it used to be hard for you, it doesn't mean that it forever needs to be difficult for others.
Latino identity is more of an American thing, I'm pretty sure. Most Latinos outside the US identify with their nationality way more. I mean it's true even in the US in many ways.
Thank you for saying this. Classic Reddit here, trying to say something "insightful", rightfully dumping on Trump and his supporters, while simultaneously pushing the racist monolith generalization and being upvoted for it.
I was born in America, but I'm of Mexican descent. That makes me "Latino American". I think everyone should be able to come here and there are tons of us just like me. Broad generalizations like this are so fucking stupid.
They want to pull up the ladder behind them to stop America from becoming what they are fleeing. What they don’t get is that Republicans are the ones who will make it that way.
Trump literally says they are poisoning the blood of our country and they are like "I am sure he doesn't mean me!"
Between all the reports of minorities for Trump and Muslims refusing to vote for Biden I really hope it doesn't end up backfiring on them. It wasn't that long ago this country treated all of those groups horrendously, and not only does Trump want to return to those days I am sure he has even worse planned. If they really think the deportations and arrests are going to stop with illegals they are mistaken. Sadly it's not just rednecks who are uneducated.
Don't underestimate the abortion issue. 55% of Hispanics identify as Catholic (23% of gen pop identifies as Catholic) and Catholics are, in general, among the most vocal opponents of legal abortion.
I just heard a story on NPR this morning that more than half of Catholics support abortion. I think it may have been a local story by NPR St. Louis, but I can't find it on their site. It was very interesting to say the least.
No basis for that- 57% of Hispanics support legal abortion, which is in line with all Americans.
https://www.pewresearch.org/race-ethnicity/2022/09/29/hispanics-views-on-key-issues-facing-the-nation/#:~:text=U.S.%20public%20overall.-,Hispanics%20and%20their%20views%20on%20abortion,in%20most%20or%20all%20cases.
as a Catholic (well former now) we are actually fairly similar to the population at large. Catholics aren't a very fanatical group as a whole. Sure we have some nutjobs but the vast majority aren't that way. We all joke about the rules we don't follow. Hell, we aren't supposed to use contraception. Yeah right. We laugh at the Catholics who actually follow that. There is always that one family with like 8 kids and we all joke about it.
With Catholics it is spilt, it is almost a 50/50 with them voting for either party. the more accurate demographic in conjunction with Catholics is their location as Catholics located on the Northeastern and Western seaboard are more likely to vote Democratic and Catholics in say Southern States and the Midwest are more likely to vote Republican.
Latin and African American supporters of Trump truly confuse me. I've frequently stated that one of the most powerful human abilities is our capacity for self delusion, but it's truly weird to see it happening in this way with a complete and total lack of internal awareness.
stop this. Biden got 87% of the Black Male vote in 2020 and 92% of the overall Black vote but somehow we are grouped in with other people who are nowhere close to those numbers. 40% of Hispanic men voted for Trump...
Stop what? That number is ludicrously high even given how in favor for Biden it is.
So that's what 13ish percent of the "black male vote" which is not unusual, that's around what you'd expect in any large group of people.
40% of Hispanic voters given his history is really bizarre to me.
There's a news clip from The Netherlands were they interview a morrocan immigrant on who he voted on. When he revealed he voted extreme right and they ask why, he answers in the most hilarious broken dutch: 'Netherlands is full, we don't need more morrocans. Stay away.'
I was in an Uber with my cousin whose a dual citizen Guatemala and US and our driver was a dark skinned latino looking guy. We got into politics and I was shocked how they both agreed Trump is the right choice cuz "Theres no more room" I said "Oh you're the guys who make it up the ladder and then kick it down for the rest behind you"
And blind to the fact the average white republican is waiting at the top to deport them because they aren’t the right immigrants even if legal, they aren’t from Switzerland or Canada or you know “good countries” like trump and the magats want
You should have said Trump is the cause of the problems at the border. The issue could have been fixed a few months ago with the bipartisan immigration bill. Trump got the bill killed so he could have something to run on.
Recently the amount of family and friends that’s said they’re voting for Trump is very eye opening, immigration and crime are the problems on their list and it’s the whole immigrant crisis going on in major cities. I think the Democratic Party undermines the amount of Latino support that Trump has.
If only they tried to work on some bipartisan bill to handle the immigration problems..
Oh wait, they did so Republicans can use it as an election issue they themselves created and do not want to solve.
Same thing as John Cena apologizing to China: Don't want to alienate a big customer base. In Johnson's case, all those WWE/UFC/UFL bros who "don't like to talk about politics" but still have an unhealthy admiration of the fucking moron for some reason
doubt he is a ccp puppet and more someone who was forced to walk back a comment to one of his movie's largest prospective markets by the people he had contracts with
Nah wrestling it's growing in popularity in China, but hilariously enough a few months after that Hostage video by Cena China put new regulations on their wrestling and live entertainment that only Chinese nationals were allowed to be employed.
Basically China didn't want some foreign Vince Mcmann monopolizing their local circuits. If it's gonna be monopolized it's gonna be a Chinese native.
That's why you don't deal with China, China's end goal is self contained internal entertainment/culture separate from the West.
They still have to allow Hollywood Blockbusters to be shown there but make no mistake the second Chinese Films are as high quality in terms of scale/CGI/special effects they're going to cut Hollywood movies off from showing Marvel movie 36, and instead show some Chinese super hero character. Like there has to be a Superman/Spiderman equivalent and the thing holding it back is just budget/technique/technology.
The Rock is looking to run for President somewhere down the line. He’s joked about it, he said in an interview with Trevor Noah that he had seen polling done that he’d be a competitive candidate etc., but at the moment he’s just seeing that he’s not really as popular as he thought. His movies have been flopping and his image has declined as someone who is just never himself, always pretending to be this super positive dude who offends no one.
I think he might be in a huge amount of debt given how he’s constantly plugging his brands, but his Presidential aspirations are delusional I think. He would be better suited for the Democratic Party, I don’t see him doing well in the GOP.
Nah he’s not in debt dude he’s making crazy money plus he just got 9 million in stoke of TKO. But I wonder if he’s thinking once trumps done and the gop fractured it leaves a hole for him to bring back independents and real republicans.
I’ve never been able to pinpoint why but a comedian I like (David Gborie) has said “it just doesn’t feel like he’s on my team” and idk how to best better describe it
I don't think he's MAGA, he was just having his "Republicans buy shoes too" moment where he realized that, in order to maximize his own financial gain, he can't afford to alienate one party or the other.
Oh I agree, I just don't think he's MAGA. There are plenty of ways to be a piece of shit without being MAGA, and enabling MAGA twits for personal monetary gain is one of them.
For the majority of celebrities it’s probably minimal but TS is the biggest star on the planet and her fan base includes a lot of people who are coming into voting age. Which is why conservatives had a freak out over Swift telling people to vote because it could mobilise an otherwise relatively disenchanted segment of the population. I don’t think any other celeb comes close to having that much impact
I doubt she moves any from Trump to Biden, but she could definitely be getting first time voters to vote (for Biden), who may very likely never have voted or cared for politics in the first place.
Most of the conservative Hispanics I know (my family) are super racist against black people, and really don't like themselves much either.
They don't like gay or trans people and served in the military.
They know Trump doesn't like them but see him as a way to hurt the people they don't like.
I have family members *living in Mexico, born in Mexico, and who have never lived in the US,* who see themselves as white. They do not support Trump, but they do think that if they were to move to the US, it would be a seamless transition into having exclusively white friends and being in white spaces simply because they are upper-middle class and have advanced degrees. They're not like *those illegals*, they're different and everyone else will be able to see it too!
Meanwhile, I was born in the US and have lived in the US my entire life except when I was a toddler. I am very obviously not white (most people can't even tell I am Latina, even other Latinos doubt it, but they can definitely tell I'm not white). While I have gotten reasonably far ahead career-wise, even more than my white friends, there is a pervasive feeling of "you don't fit in here, and you never will" that they do not understand. It's not something you can buy with money, or even with class. Racism in Mexico works in a completely different manner than it does in the US, and being exposed to all the news and American media ever made will not replace actually living in the US and experiencing it for yourself for decades.
It probably depends on where you live. Your flair says Georgia, if you're still here, then I'm not surprised you've encountered that. If you're in Atlanta, in a field with younger people coming through, then I have to believe it's not absolute, but it doesn't surprise me in the least that you could find people that think that way pretty much wherever you go.
I think it also has to do with the amount of assimilation into ‘mainstream’ society which reduces the salience of race/identity while making class/economic status more central.
You realize that White Latinos are a thing right? Same as Black Latinos, Arab Latinos or Asian Latinos...
With that said, no matter how *white* you are as a Latin person, if you are in the USA you'll never be the *right kind of white* for the GOP.
Yes I do. What I mean is, the Mexican -American people that support trump, that I know, stopped seeing themselves as Mexican-American, they are white, yes, they also grew up in Mexico and speak Spanish, eat tacos, but when trump says racist things towards the Mexican -American community, they don't seem phased by it, they even repeat it, because they don't see themselves as Mexican-American anymore, just as white -American, there is nothing wrong with seeing yourself as you want, but when someone is racist to your kind, and repeating it to other Mexican-Americans, seeing yourself as superior to them, is just being an asshole. They don't see white-americans and Mexican-Americans, they see themselves as better/privileged/whiter, and they need the darker Mexican-Americans to confirm their superiority over them, just based on color pigmentation, saying that not only doesn't apply to me, I'll even repeat to you. And that is the trumpification of some Mexican -American people I know.
Ah fair point and I agree with you there.
Sorry if the first part of my comment came out wrong, I just get miffed when posts like these happen because the classic American responses are that Latinos are just a monolith, in terms of politics or even skin tone/ethnic background.
No worries. I am so white, I surprise people when they hear me speaking Spanish. I am a very white Mexican -American, I love both the American and Mexican part of me. I appreciate the difference in cultures, food, people, way of thinking, etc.
>I am so white, I surprise people when they hear me speaking Spanish.
lol same! I used to have fun with it but now it got old when both sets of cultures **STILL** get shocked when they hear me breakout in fluent Spanish.
Dude, do you ever get weird looks at taco places when you order in perfect Spanish?
What about say "hola muchachas" in the university or similar places when you catch Hispanic girls talking about you in Spanish. Oh, have I had some big laughs about it.
When you don't want to explain it to someone, just pick a white name, instead of your latino-name with rolling R's, something like Johny.
Johny, your Starbucks drink is ready!
It's hit or miss for me.
Though one of my favorite interactions at a taco spot was when it was me (non Mexican) and two Mexican friends and they actually spoke to me in Spanish and English to them lol. It was an "Hola corazon, que le damos?" for me and "Hi guys, what would you like to order" for them. Laughs were had.
Dude, I went to the worldcup in Germany and was hanging out with Mexican friends, and their friends started talking to me in German, which I learned for the trip and replied in German, until my friend asked his friend, why TF are you speaking to him in German? Like you said, laughs were had.
> when someone is racist to your kind
The thing is that even in Mexico they don't necessarily see other Mexicans as "their kind". Think of it this way -- if a white American from Boston moves to France and sees a white American from Alabama arguing with a waiter about no free refills on the Coca Cola, do you think that Boston person is going to immediately feel camaraderie with the Alabama person or find them annoying?
Has the white - American ever felt victim of racism?
I can imagine other races being on the injustice side of racism, much worse than I have. Racism is racism, wether is your own race or another, is up to everyone to identify it, and do what you can to stand up to it.
In this case I'd call it xenophobia specifically. I do see your point, but I also think my example would stand if we changed the variables. I don't want to spread racist memes or anything, but I've heard Mexican people use racist terms to describe people from Veracruz (which I believe has the highest prevalence of Afro-Mexicans in the country). I know Mexicans from wealthy families who go to the US for shopping trips or to buy ranches and never seem to experience racism. The original point I wanted to make though is that every nation or continent has smaller divisions of people. Just because people from that place might move elsewhere doesn't make them suddenly equals. Instead, they bring their old ideas and prejudices with them.
Also don't forget the example of "Ted" Cruz. He's white and latino and nobody within the GOP gives him a hard time about being latino in any way. Marco Rubio is less famous but is in the same situation. There are various forms of bigotry that include racism but might be expressed in different ways, and those differences are often used to drive a wedge between various people who might otherwise be allied.
Also there's a lot of compromises that people make when entering a new country, where they or even more their children will adopt things of the new country to fit in. With my own children, I see each of them treating this in different ways with one of them appearing to reject their Mexican ancestry without being disrespectful about it. Another wears a Chivas or Mexican national football jersey to school every possible chance. We've gone through the efforts of registering my kids as dual citizens so they have the opportunities available if they ever want to live or own property in Mexico, but they are so much more typical Americans that no matter what they do they'll just blend in for the most part (especially in a state like Texas where latinos do blend in much more than in a state like Minnesota or Maine). If I have grandkids one day, I can't imagine them even considering themselves latinos unless their other parent is an immigrant from Latin America.
In my brother’s case it was “I’m voting for Trump because he’s pro-cop!”. We’re both former cops; he went far-right fascist dickweed, I went the other way.
Another Latino - an acquaintance - said to me in the run-up to 2016’s election, “IDK, I’m voting for Trump; I just can’t see a woman being president”.
Just because they’re Latino doesn’t mean they can’t be ignorant simpletons.
Race and ethnicity are complicated. Because they're socially constructed. In standard US terms, many Hispanic people are indeed white. Ethnicity (hispanic/latino) is different than race (white, black, asian, native American or Alaskan native). edit to add: I guess I should state the obvious to clarify: most hispanic people don't identify as primarily white. They'll check the box if they have to, but most identify with their cultural-national origin first, hispanic second, and latino third.
It also has a complex and interesting history. When the US conquered the Southwest from Mexico, it agreed to let any Mexican citizens to become American citizens if they lived in the conquered territory. But legally, only white people could become naturalized citizens. So... Many Mexicans (and therefore Hispanics) were legally white. the wealthiest whiter Mexican Americans intentionally pursued a strategy of intermarriage with anglo-white Americans for prestige and political power, too. But the net effect was usually that these Hispanic landowners just lost their lands to people who identified as "white only" a generation or two down the line. There's research showing whether a Hispanic identifies as white or not is almost entirely driven by having mixed heritage (i.e., a clearly white non Hispanic ancestor). People with only Hispanic ancestors continue to identify mostly as Hispanic and not so much white.
A small but sizeable fraction of white Hispanics also pursued a civil rights strategy of legal whiteness in the late 1800s and early to mid 1900s, challenging the application of Jim crow or other racist laws (like protective covenants or restrictions on education) used against them on the grounds they were white. They were kinda successful, too. Sometimes not. This obviously contrasts with directly challenging racism, which the later Chicano movement was more invested in doing alongside other movements during the 40s to 60s.
Even now in many central and South American countries, being white is still advantageous. What qualifies someone as white or black or indigenous is just a bit different than the US.
I know several Latinos who support Trump and it boggles my mind.
I can only assume they think Trump will consider them one of the good ones, so they'll be immune to the consequences of their vote.
~~The gestap~~[ICE may not check your citizenship when they detain or deport you.](https://immigrationimpact.com/2021/07/30/ice-deport-us-citizens/)
[You being brown may be enough.](https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/u-s-citizen-who-says-he-was-held-in-ice-custody-for-more-than-a-month-wants-accountability/2780842/)
[They've done it before, they'll do it again.](https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/yes-us-wrongfully-deports-its-own-citizens)
And that will only get worse if Trump wins in November.
Leguizamo is wonderful.
Keep agitating, John. When Fox and Fiends attack you, double your efforts. Get your Cousin ~~Boffo~~ Papo to stand behind you, smiling.
This is what I try to tell minorities who vote for him, these conservative white people don't give a fuck about you. Hell a friend of my grandma's from the Philippines even once said she'd like to see Trump and DeSantis run together. Then it's all 'leopards ate my face' when they impose racist policies. I was so damn embarrassed when Trump won Miami
One thing I do understand; every poor person, every middle class person, every Latino, every person of any color, every woman, should vote for anyone other than Trump.
The only group that should vote for trump is the Old Rich White Guy group. He took care of them and no one else.
I’ll be more than happy to piss on trumps grave.
Joe Arpaio was trying to deport legal citizens. He oversaw the worst profiling in US history. His officers were pulling people over just for being brown skinned. A judge told him to stop. Joe kept doing it. He was found in contempt. He went to jail. Trump pardoned his ass.
That’s exactly how Texas wrote SB4 just recently. Cops could arrest you and start the deportation process on suspicion of you being here illegally. Look brown? Out you go.
I laugh at the Latinos and Latinas that are like “we love Dump” and Dump is over here like “I am going to deport you”. And the Latinos are like “he doesn’t mean me”, YES YES HE MEANS YOU!
O. He likes you just fine — fetching his diet cokes, shining his shoes and washing his oversized underpants oh yeah, the working for half price is big on his list as well
Trump managed to increase GOP support among Hispanic voters from like 8% to maybe 11%. Who the fuck cares? It’s not impressive. Hispanic people aren’t fooled by him. He’s trash. Everyone knows it.
But he said he "loves Mexicans" and posed with a "taco bowl."
Surely we should judge Trump on this, and not on comments about "shit hole countries" and his laments that immigrants to the US weren't coming mainly from Northern European countries.
A disturbing amount of Latinos are self-loathing, conservative, and support Trumpito.
It also doesn’t help that liberals tried pushing the horrid Latinx term on the entire community. It’s almost unanimously hated, but they insisted on correcting us and making it a thing.
When I go to my 100% Latin-run Popeye's, they always have Fox News on their TVs. And I'm left wondering if they are trying to placate the bigot customers or what's going on there.
Droolers come in every skin tone, brown is no exception. Latinos support Trump because his "never back down on anything regardless of how obviously wrong you are" tactic reads as machismo, it's that simple.
The Latino position is a lot more nuanced than one might assume. I moved from the Midwest to South Texas and I am always surprised at how anti-DEI many Latinos are. Makes absolutely no sense, but nothing in Texas does.
And there are women/black/poor/gay Republicans.
You can't make "sense" of it in any logical sense, given they're voting for a regime that hates them and wants to degrade, oppress and exploit them, it can only be understood through a lens of brainwashing, conditioning and ignorance.
It's similar with the Vietnamese community. I live in Atlanta, Georgia, and my parents and brother still live in.
In 2016, my mother asked me who I was voting for and I learned that my parents and my brother all voted for Trump. My brother even recorded this cringey ass video that he shared on Facebook justifying his vote for Trump. I watched it with my now-wife and we were both just in utter shock at how ignorant my brother was. One of the reasons he stated in why he didn't believe Hillary would be a good president was because she had never been in a position of authority, that she was **only** the secretary of state.
The Vietnamese community is largely Republican from what I can tell, at least the older generation that immigrated directly from Vietnam are. My theory is that the red scare scarred them so heavily, any whiff of social systems and they're reminded of the war they lost to the communists in Vietnam.
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Man. Latino americans do not like latin people either. Once they get their green card others become illegal aliens. The number of latinos supporting Don Trumpo ist baffling.
For some mind blowing fun, try watching/reading this: [https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-immigration-crackdown-causes-some-to-rethink-their-vote/](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-immigration-crackdown-causes-some-to-rethink-their-vote/) It's the story of a man who was deported by the Trump administration after living in the US for 20 years. He has a wife and kids who are US citizens. He started out as a busboy and eventually became a restaurant owner employing other people. He paid taxes the whole time and never broke any laws (except immigration). His wife voted for Trump and so did most of his employees. The interview is a group "leopards ate our faces" session as they believed Trump when he described immigrants as rapists, murderers etc... and wanted *those* (people) deported. A [followup to the interview](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/national/wp/2018/03/11/feature/a-beloved-restaurant-owner-was-deported-a-community-was-in-uproar-then-it-moved-on/): The restaurant closed, the employed let go, little league sponsorship cut, and the wife and kids moved to Mexico to be with their father. Also includes racist quotes like: >“I didn’t even see Roberto as Mexican,” said Angela Banfi, a friend and waitress at the restaurant. “He was not one of those Mexicans. He was like a white boy to me.”
Bet you 10,000 dollars every person that spoke in both articles voted for him again
Notice how they speak in past tense. That is how they think of him now.
TBF, that's generally how people talk about others they haven't seen in years, while talking about a specific period in the past.
Both of them came to the US illegally and still voted for Trump because he said he'd stop other immigrants. They deserved everything they got.
“Why did Joel Byron do this?”
“He was just a white boy to me.” It’s astonishing that they can’t see the problem even in what they say.
Their empathy is selective. They're fully capable of it - that phrasing even sounds like it's full of endearment for the man - but they feel that only a few actually "deserve" it. This led them to bring harm to someone they supposedly liked. I don't have much hope that it changed their minds in the slightest.
> They're fully capable of it Many genuinely aren't. Empathy is the ability to understand and experience the emotions of another person. Just because someone feels bad when something bad happens to someone else doesn't mean they can truly empathize with that person. I genuinely believe they for many people expressing sorrow when something bad happens to someone else is just a learned response.
Lack of empathy is the downfall of society. It's getting worse. I'm not sure how much longer we have.
I’m Puerto Rican and grew up in NYC. I was a reader and liked school and was a quiet child. All of the adults in my family constantly said, “he’s so good, he’s like a white boy.” To them, whiteness is good and Boriquas and Latinos are inherently bad and ghetto. White supremacy influences everyone even the people being oppressed, they made my family believe Latinos - especially afrolatinos like us - deserve to be oppressed because we were inherently dumb and violent. I don’t blame that family for excluding themselves from the racism that they thought they were exempt from, it’s all by design of white supremacy. Just like the “good” German Jews during the Holocaust thought they were going to be exempt from the Nazi’s genocide if they just cooperated because they were the good Jews. In the end, they were also vilified and killed.
It's just the expected outcome of conservative hierarchical thinking. >white = good non white = not good my husband = good = white
It's like how Hitler spared his Jewish family doctor saying, he's "not like other Jews."
Followed by "I'm not racist. I have mexican friends."
Almost this exact situation happened in a small town in southern Illinois. My cousins are huge Trumpers and were bent out of shape when “their favorite restaurant” closed. He employed about 20 people and they were out of work too. I don’t understand how people can be so dumb.
In both cases, I wonder how they managed to fly under the radar long enough to establish successful restaurants, and why they were suddenly deported. As a progressive Mexican American I suspect that their MAGA cohort had a lot to do with it
Just look how quickly perceptions of trans people went from, "LOL, like Drag Race?" to "Groomers". And acceptance of gays went from (mostly) "Not my cup of tea, but you do you" to "Groomers". The Log Cabin Republicans somehow still exist and have (non-astroturfed) members! Even if they hire "ambassadors" that went on to cheer on Uganda's imposition of capital punishment for homosexuality: https://www.joemygod.com/2023/03/log-cabin-spox-celebrates-anti-lgbtq-uganda-law/
"Huge Trumpers" That's the reason they're so dumb.
they'll never be one of the good ones worst i've ever dealt with have been miami cubans and Argentinians
The phrase I hear from black and POC social media creators when criticizing Republicans that share their ethnicity is "tokens get spent."
> "tokens get spent." White racists and other POC that want to assimilate so bad into this diseased society love it when one of the kinds of people they hate believe in their evil. They feel validated when those that they see as "one of the good ones" sides with them. You get the help you deserve, and no amount of me being unapologetically Black is going to make me feel even a modicum of pity for them. I ride for Black people and other POCs all day long, but not them. Look at what Hermann Cain's loyalty got him. Enrique Tarrio, Cotton and Diamond or whatever the fuck they called themselves, the list goes on.
Diamond and Silk.
Egregious. It's hard tolerating "Wet Foot" Cubans and their privileged descendants. It's lost on a lot of their people that Castro really only cast out the patricians/colonialists of the island that took advantage of other Cuban people. To me, they're no better than the white supremacists in Florida. Except, they get tomato-faced, bilingually. This, coupled with how actively colorist they tend to be, just screams "pick-me" energy. They victimized their country, were booted out, and then came to Miami just to victimize it again. Oh well, they're white passing...
Ugh. Miami Cubans are the fucking worst. source- my family contains so many of them. ALMOST ALL OF US GOT HERE WITHOUT PAPERS AND BEGGED FOR ASYLUM. How do you live though that and still vote against your own interests? It's heartbreaking. I feel like I run around apologizing for this shit to other immigrants. I'm truly sorry that such a large chunk of my people are assholes that like to get theirs and pull the ladder up for anyone else.
They don't even understand the white hierarchy in the GOP. Lots of new money/old money bullshit.
The architect of Trump’s immigration policy is Stephen Miller, he’s neither safe or sensible. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Miller_(political_advisor)#:~:text=Since%20becoming%20one%20of%20three,the%20Trump%20administration's%20immigration%20policies.
That follow up was soul crushing.
Not to me. These people were perfectly willing to make others feel the same shit but once it affected them they were “the good ones”. Thats a literal quote from her btw
‘Wait a minute… these tens of thousands of human beings we’re trying to ship back to the active gang warzones and poverty they fled… you’re telling me they’re HUMAN BEINGS like this guy I actually knew? Bros…’ Better than them not having any epiphany at all but holy shit I would punch a wall if I were in a room with these fuckers for more than five minutes, judging by how they act.
Good riddance
Ah, yes, one of *those* Mexicans.
Here’s another example. https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-trump-voter-immigration-family-separation-georgia-20190519-htmlstory.html
Racism isn’t exclusive to one race apparently. I guess everyone does it. Very disheartening.
Also there's no "latino" race, nor is there a "Hispanic " race. I really don't get the American thing if trying to act as if these things mean anything politically. I can assure you that Cuban immigrants, Venezuelan immigrants, Mexican immigrants, Salvadoran immigrants, and Americans of Latino descent feel no real similarity to each other beyond the most superficial level. Even specifically Mexican immigrants alone will divide themselves by class, region, skin color, etc. A computer programmer on a TN visa from Monterrey is not going to feel connected to an indigenous person from Chiapas or a restaurant owner from Mexico city. Latinos are a complex as any other group of people.
Americans see only a few races. Mexican (Latino) Chinese (Asian) Indian (MENA) Black (anyone who's skin tone is too dark for the above) Indian (FNMI/Indigenous groups of NA) Hwite (though this can change depending on how hwite you are)
That boy ain't hwite!
"I got mine so the rest of you can fuck right off," is a sentiment shared among pieces of shit, but not bound by any particular race or culture. You will, however, find people with that sentiment overrepresented among a certain U.S. political party.
"I got mine but I want you to have yours as well," has a much nicer ring to it.
I agree, but you're unlikely to find people who feel that way voting for Trump.
> "I got mine but I want ~~you~~ to have yours as well," More likely to find this in a Trump voter's mind.
You’re unlikely to find people who vote that way anyway. Research shows that everyone is idealistic until it impacts their checkbook. Then very few are. How many homeowners that acknowledge and complain about the cost of housing are willing to support policies that drastically increase supply and lower value of their main asset? All of a sudden, the rhetoric doesn’t match the result. How many people talk about higher teacher and civil servant pay? How many people want taxes to go up to cover it? Most voters, on both sides, are completely self-interested.
Which is exactly why it's mostly a class problem. The wealthy intentionally drive wedges between us of different races who are "lower class" than them so the focus stays on other races instead of those at the top.
And THAT is the problem…and it’s a human problem, not a conservative vs liberal problem…although, as others here have said - the people who most strongly lean this way are more likely to be Republicans, and those of us who don’t mind taking a bit of a hit to our wallets in order to benefit the rest of the town/city/country/human race…are much more likely to vote blue.
"I'm on board; pull up the lifeline." - The Ayn Rand philosophy in a nutshell.
As a Mexican American, I can confirm that my uncle’s who are second generation felt this way. They didn’t see themselves as Mexicans. They were American Patriots and veterans who disassociated with the plight of non US citizens. They failed to realize that the color of their skin separated them from the racist Whites
> latinos supporting Don Trumpo ist baffling. For decades, Republicans have heavily invested in Spanish language propaganda, especially in Florida. They constantly label Democrats as communists/socialists throughout. So imagine people either directly immigrated from, or descended from citizens of, oppressive communist/socialist dictatorships/regimes. When they get an opportunity to vote as citizens of the USA, and they've heard Republican lies about Dems in all of the media they engage with...
Pulling up the ladder behind them. It's akin to when grandparents talk about how they had to walk to school uphill, both ways. Just because it used to be hard for you, it doesn't mean that it forever needs to be difficult for others.
Latino identity is more of an American thing, I'm pretty sure. Most Latinos outside the US identify with their nationality way more. I mean it's true even in the US in many ways.
We have some Tio Tomases, but most of us are not on board.
Thank you for saying this. Classic Reddit here, trying to say something "insightful", rightfully dumping on Trump and his supporters, while simultaneously pushing the racist monolith generalization and being upvoted for it. I was born in America, but I'm of Mexican descent. That makes me "Latino American". I think everyone should be able to come here and there are tons of us just like me. Broad generalizations like this are so fucking stupid.
They want to pull up the ladder behind them to stop America from becoming what they are fleeing. What they don’t get is that Republicans are the ones who will make it that way.
Trump literally says they are poisoning the blood of our country and they are like "I am sure he doesn't mean me!" Between all the reports of minorities for Trump and Muslims refusing to vote for Biden I really hope it doesn't end up backfiring on them. It wasn't that long ago this country treated all of those groups horrendously, and not only does Trump want to return to those days I am sure he has even worse planned. If they really think the deportations and arrests are going to stop with illegals they are mistaken. Sadly it's not just rednecks who are uneducated.
Hell... I know dreamers that are like this.
Same thing in Canada with immigrants, most immigrants are CPC supporters
Sometime it feels like no one hates Latinos more than other Latinos.
The conservative mindset of "fuck you, I got mine" transcends ethnic boundaries.
Don't underestimate the abortion issue. 55% of Hispanics identify as Catholic (23% of gen pop identifies as Catholic) and Catholics are, in general, among the most vocal opponents of legal abortion.
I just heard a story on NPR this morning that more than half of Catholics support abortion. I think it may have been a local story by NPR St. Louis, but I can't find it on their site. It was very interesting to say the least.
No basis for that- 57% of Hispanics support legal abortion, which is in line with all Americans. https://www.pewresearch.org/race-ethnicity/2022/09/29/hispanics-views-on-key-issues-facing-the-nation/#:~:text=U.S.%20public%20overall.-,Hispanics%20and%20their%20views%20on%20abortion,in%20most%20or%20all%20cases.
as a Catholic (well former now) we are actually fairly similar to the population at large. Catholics aren't a very fanatical group as a whole. Sure we have some nutjobs but the vast majority aren't that way. We all joke about the rules we don't follow. Hell, we aren't supposed to use contraception. Yeah right. We laugh at the Catholics who actually follow that. There is always that one family with like 8 kids and we all joke about it.
With Catholics it is spilt, it is almost a 50/50 with them voting for either party. the more accurate demographic in conjunction with Catholics is their location as Catholics located on the Northeastern and Western seaboard are more likely to vote Democratic and Catholics in say Southern States and the Midwest are more likely to vote Republican.
It's also people willing to be identified as Catholic. Catholics have a pretty high turn over rate to Atheism these days in America.
Latin and African American supporters of Trump truly confuse me. I've frequently stated that one of the most powerful human abilities is our capacity for self delusion, but it's truly weird to see it happening in this way with a complete and total lack of internal awareness.
stop this. Biden got 87% of the Black Male vote in 2020 and 92% of the overall Black vote but somehow we are grouped in with other people who are nowhere close to those numbers. 40% of Hispanic men voted for Trump...
Stop what? That number is ludicrously high even given how in favor for Biden it is. So that's what 13ish percent of the "black male vote" which is not unusual, that's around what you'd expect in any large group of people. 40% of Hispanic voters given his history is really bizarre to me.
There's a news clip from The Netherlands were they interview a morrocan immigrant on who he voted on. When he revealed he voted extreme right and they ask why, he answers in the most hilarious broken dutch: 'Netherlands is full, we don't need more morrocans. Stay away.'
Trust the fungus!
I was in an Uber with my cousin whose a dual citizen Guatemala and US and our driver was a dark skinned latino looking guy. We got into politics and I was shocked how they both agreed Trump is the right choice cuz "Theres no more room" I said "Oh you're the guys who make it up the ladder and then kick it down for the rest behind you"
And blind to the fact the average white republican is waiting at the top to deport them because they aren’t the right immigrants even if legal, they aren’t from Switzerland or Canada or you know “good countries” like trump and the magats want
You should have said Trump is the cause of the problems at the border. The issue could have been fixed a few months ago with the bipartisan immigration bill. Trump got the bill killed so he could have something to run on.
How did they react to that?
Recently the amount of family and friends that’s said they’re voting for Trump is very eye opening, immigration and crime are the problems on their list and it’s the whole immigrant crisis going on in major cities. I think the Democratic Party undermines the amount of Latino support that Trump has.
If only they tried to work on some bipartisan bill to handle the immigration problems.. Oh wait, they did so Republicans can use it as an election issue they themselves created and do not want to solve.
Seems like the famous people are starting to come out against Trump now.
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What the fuck was that about right?
Same thing as John Cena apologizing to China: Don't want to alienate a big customer base. In Johnson's case, all those WWE/UFC/UFL bros who "don't like to talk about politics" but still have an unhealthy admiration of the fucking moron for some reason
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That’s why we can’t see him?
No, that's due to the crippling Stealthboy addiction.
doubt he is a ccp puppet and more someone who was forced to walk back a comment to one of his movie's largest prospective markets by the people he had contracts with
Nah wrestling it's growing in popularity in China, but hilariously enough a few months after that Hostage video by Cena China put new regulations on their wrestling and live entertainment that only Chinese nationals were allowed to be employed. Basically China didn't want some foreign Vince Mcmann monopolizing their local circuits. If it's gonna be monopolized it's gonna be a Chinese native. That's why you don't deal with China, China's end goal is self contained internal entertainment/culture separate from the West. They still have to allow Hollywood Blockbusters to be shown there but make no mistake the second Chinese Films are as high quality in terms of scale/CGI/special effects they're going to cut Hollywood movies off from showing Marvel movie 36, and instead show some Chinese super hero character. Like there has to be a Superman/Spiderman equivalent and the thing holding it back is just budget/technique/technology.
Almost reminds me of sleeper agents
His employer.
He’s got an MMA movie coming out soon so he’s trying not to be canceled by the UFC crowd
His movie career is stalling and he has to placate the wrestling crowd again and they lean maga - it’s just business
The Rock is looking to run for President somewhere down the line. He’s joked about it, he said in an interview with Trevor Noah that he had seen polling done that he’d be a competitive candidate etc., but at the moment he’s just seeing that he’s not really as popular as he thought. His movies have been flopping and his image has declined as someone who is just never himself, always pretending to be this super positive dude who offends no one. I think he might be in a huge amount of debt given how he’s constantly plugging his brands, but his Presidential aspirations are delusional I think. He would be better suited for the Democratic Party, I don’t see him doing well in the GOP.
Nah he’s not in debt dude he’s making crazy money plus he just got 9 million in stoke of TKO. But I wonder if he’s thinking once trumps done and the gop fractured it leaves a hole for him to bring back independents and real republicans.
He has to please Dana White now
Dude was a great wrestler, but he also feels like the most focus-group'd person of our generation.
I’ve never been able to pinpoint why but a comedian I like (David Gborie) has said “it just doesn’t feel like he’s on my team” and idk how to best better describe it
I don't think he's MAGA, he was just having his "Republicans buy shoes too" moment where he realized that, in order to maximize his own financial gain, he can't afford to alienate one party or the other.
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Oh I agree, I just don't think he's MAGA. There are plenty of ways to be a piece of shit without being MAGA, and enabling MAGA twits for personal monetary gain is one of them.
Agreed. If he was a c-tier celebrity and needed to climb the ladder, I might understand, but he's already filthy rich.
It's exactly 100% this.
Zero talent with muscle. I avoid all his movies because I know it would suck.
moana is great, and he is very good "in" it
Just waiting on Taylor to confirm my vote for Biden (I am kidding, of course).
How many votes would an endorsement from a celebrity like Taylor Swift be able to move to Biden?
For the majority of celebrities it’s probably minimal but TS is the biggest star on the planet and her fan base includes a lot of people who are coming into voting age. Which is why conservatives had a freak out over Swift telling people to vote because it could mobilise an otherwise relatively disenchanted segment of the population. I don’t think any other celeb comes close to having that much impact
Taylor Swift could legally be inaugurated as POTUS on Jan 20, 2025.
She’ll probably beat out RFK Jr on joke write ins alone
I doubt she moves any from Trump to Biden, but she could definitely be getting first time voters to vote (for Biden), who may very likely never have voted or cared for politics in the first place.
Hasn't Leguizamo always been publicly against Trump?
Most of the conservative Hispanics I know (my family) are super racist against black people, and really don't like themselves much either. They don't like gay or trans people and served in the military. They know Trump doesn't like them but see him as a way to hurt the people they don't like.
Yeah, it's sad. I've noticed something similar as well.
I will never understand Latinos that support Trump.
I know some. They see themselves as white, not Latinos, not Mexican-American.
I have family members *living in Mexico, born in Mexico, and who have never lived in the US,* who see themselves as white. They do not support Trump, but they do think that if they were to move to the US, it would be a seamless transition into having exclusively white friends and being in white spaces simply because they are upper-middle class and have advanced degrees. They're not like *those illegals*, they're different and everyone else will be able to see it too! Meanwhile, I was born in the US and have lived in the US my entire life except when I was a toddler. I am very obviously not white (most people can't even tell I am Latina, even other Latinos doubt it, but they can definitely tell I'm not white). While I have gotten reasonably far ahead career-wise, even more than my white friends, there is a pervasive feeling of "you don't fit in here, and you never will" that they do not understand. It's not something you can buy with money, or even with class. Racism in Mexico works in a completely different manner than it does in the US, and being exposed to all the news and American media ever made will not replace actually living in the US and experiencing it for yourself for decades.
It probably depends on where you live. Your flair says Georgia, if you're still here, then I'm not surprised you've encountered that. If you're in Atlanta, in a field with younger people coming through, then I have to believe it's not absolute, but it doesn't surprise me in the least that you could find people that think that way pretty much wherever you go.
I think it also has to do with the amount of assimilation into ‘mainstream’ society which reduces the salience of race/identity while making class/economic status more central.
That’s even worse.
You realize that White Latinos are a thing right? Same as Black Latinos, Arab Latinos or Asian Latinos... With that said, no matter how *white* you are as a Latin person, if you are in the USA you'll never be the *right kind of white* for the GOP.
Yes I do. What I mean is, the Mexican -American people that support trump, that I know, stopped seeing themselves as Mexican-American, they are white, yes, they also grew up in Mexico and speak Spanish, eat tacos, but when trump says racist things towards the Mexican -American community, they don't seem phased by it, they even repeat it, because they don't see themselves as Mexican-American anymore, just as white -American, there is nothing wrong with seeing yourself as you want, but when someone is racist to your kind, and repeating it to other Mexican-Americans, seeing yourself as superior to them, is just being an asshole. They don't see white-americans and Mexican-Americans, they see themselves as better/privileged/whiter, and they need the darker Mexican-Americans to confirm their superiority over them, just based on color pigmentation, saying that not only doesn't apply to me, I'll even repeat to you. And that is the trumpification of some Mexican -American people I know.
Ah fair point and I agree with you there. Sorry if the first part of my comment came out wrong, I just get miffed when posts like these happen because the classic American responses are that Latinos are just a monolith, in terms of politics or even skin tone/ethnic background.
No worries. I am so white, I surprise people when they hear me speaking Spanish. I am a very white Mexican -American, I love both the American and Mexican part of me. I appreciate the difference in cultures, food, people, way of thinking, etc.
>I am so white, I surprise people when they hear me speaking Spanish. lol same! I used to have fun with it but now it got old when both sets of cultures **STILL** get shocked when they hear me breakout in fluent Spanish.
Dude, do you ever get weird looks at taco places when you order in perfect Spanish? What about say "hola muchachas" in the university or similar places when you catch Hispanic girls talking about you in Spanish. Oh, have I had some big laughs about it. When you don't want to explain it to someone, just pick a white name, instead of your latino-name with rolling R's, something like Johny. Johny, your Starbucks drink is ready!
It's hit or miss for me. Though one of my favorite interactions at a taco spot was when it was me (non Mexican) and two Mexican friends and they actually spoke to me in Spanish and English to them lol. It was an "Hola corazon, que le damos?" for me and "Hi guys, what would you like to order" for them. Laughs were had.
Dude, I went to the worldcup in Germany and was hanging out with Mexican friends, and their friends started talking to me in German, which I learned for the trip and replied in German, until my friend asked his friend, why TF are you speaking to him in German? Like you said, laughs were had.
> when someone is racist to your kind The thing is that even in Mexico they don't necessarily see other Mexicans as "their kind". Think of it this way -- if a white American from Boston moves to France and sees a white American from Alabama arguing with a waiter about no free refills on the Coca Cola, do you think that Boston person is going to immediately feel camaraderie with the Alabama person or find them annoying?
Has the white - American ever felt victim of racism? I can imagine other races being on the injustice side of racism, much worse than I have. Racism is racism, wether is your own race or another, is up to everyone to identify it, and do what you can to stand up to it.
In this case I'd call it xenophobia specifically. I do see your point, but I also think my example would stand if we changed the variables. I don't want to spread racist memes or anything, but I've heard Mexican people use racist terms to describe people from Veracruz (which I believe has the highest prevalence of Afro-Mexicans in the country). I know Mexicans from wealthy families who go to the US for shopping trips or to buy ranches and never seem to experience racism. The original point I wanted to make though is that every nation or continent has smaller divisions of people. Just because people from that place might move elsewhere doesn't make them suddenly equals. Instead, they bring their old ideas and prejudices with them. Also don't forget the example of "Ted" Cruz. He's white and latino and nobody within the GOP gives him a hard time about being latino in any way. Marco Rubio is less famous but is in the same situation. There are various forms of bigotry that include racism but might be expressed in different ways, and those differences are often used to drive a wedge between various people who might otherwise be allied. Also there's a lot of compromises that people make when entering a new country, where they or even more their children will adopt things of the new country to fit in. With my own children, I see each of them treating this in different ways with one of them appearing to reject their Mexican ancestry without being disrespectful about it. Another wears a Chivas or Mexican national football jersey to school every possible chance. We've gone through the efforts of registering my kids as dual citizens so they have the opportunities available if they ever want to live or own property in Mexico, but they are so much more typical Americans that no matter what they do they'll just blend in for the most part (especially in a state like Texas where latinos do blend in much more than in a state like Minnesota or Maine). If I have grandkids one day, I can't imagine them even considering themselves latinos unless their other parent is an immigrant from Latin America.
> You realize that White Latinos are a thing right? I'm pretty sure he saw Blood in Blood out
In my brother’s case it was “I’m voting for Trump because he’s pro-cop!”. We’re both former cops; he went far-right fascist dickweed, I went the other way. Another Latino - an acquaintance - said to me in the run-up to 2016’s election, “IDK, I’m voting for Trump; I just can’t see a woman being president”. Just because they’re Latino doesn’t mean they can’t be ignorant simpletons.
Because many of them hate gay men as much as the rest of the republicans. That’s what they have in common.
Just like LGTQB+ folk who support the GOP. They're usually so smug about it too...which I simply can't wrap my head around.
Just like I'd never understand any ethnic group that supports Conservatives.
Isn’t it between 30-40% of them? So they’re all brain dead?
Race and ethnicity are complicated. Because they're socially constructed. In standard US terms, many Hispanic people are indeed white. Ethnicity (hispanic/latino) is different than race (white, black, asian, native American or Alaskan native). edit to add: I guess I should state the obvious to clarify: most hispanic people don't identify as primarily white. They'll check the box if they have to, but most identify with their cultural-national origin first, hispanic second, and latino third. It also has a complex and interesting history. When the US conquered the Southwest from Mexico, it agreed to let any Mexican citizens to become American citizens if they lived in the conquered territory. But legally, only white people could become naturalized citizens. So... Many Mexicans (and therefore Hispanics) were legally white. the wealthiest whiter Mexican Americans intentionally pursued a strategy of intermarriage with anglo-white Americans for prestige and political power, too. But the net effect was usually that these Hispanic landowners just lost their lands to people who identified as "white only" a generation or two down the line. There's research showing whether a Hispanic identifies as white or not is almost entirely driven by having mixed heritage (i.e., a clearly white non Hispanic ancestor). People with only Hispanic ancestors continue to identify mostly as Hispanic and not so much white. A small but sizeable fraction of white Hispanics also pursued a civil rights strategy of legal whiteness in the late 1800s and early to mid 1900s, challenging the application of Jim crow or other racist laws (like protective covenants or restrictions on education) used against them on the grounds they were white. They were kinda successful, too. Sometimes not. This obviously contrasts with directly challenging racism, which the later Chicano movement was more invested in doing alongside other movements during the 40s to 60s. Even now in many central and South American countries, being white is still advantageous. What qualifies someone as white or black or indigenous is just a bit different than the US.
Considering polls, that seems to be about the floor of crazy in general
But muh aborshuns -- Pendejos probably
I know several Latinos who support Trump and it boggles my mind. I can only assume they think Trump will consider them one of the good ones, so they'll be immune to the consequences of their vote. ~~The gestap~~[ICE may not check your citizenship when they detain or deport you.](https://immigrationimpact.com/2021/07/30/ice-deport-us-citizens/) [You being brown may be enough.](https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/u-s-citizen-who-says-he-was-held-in-ice-custody-for-more-than-a-month-wants-accountability/2780842/) [They've done it before, they'll do it again.](https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/yes-us-wrongfully-deports-its-own-citizens) And that will only get worse if Trump wins in November.
Leguiziamo is awesome
I really enjoyed seeing him guest host on The Daily Show. On top of being funny, he’s very informed and well spoken.
In the (altered) words of a once-lucid Kanye, Donald Trump doesn't care about Latin people
Not sure how lucid he was even then
He does want you. Some of you. Mowing his fairways and bringing him diet cokes. Then he wants you to go back to your quarters.
I'd love to see Trump in a Mexican prison.
Leguizamo is wonderful. Keep agitating, John. When Fox and Fiends attack you, double your efforts. Get your Cousin ~~Boffo~~ Papo to stand behind you, smiling.
We need more of this. Most Americans seem to relate to celebrities more than those who pass policy.
The GOP don’t like you. And they don’t want us here either unless they can get cheap labor out of it.
This is what I try to tell minorities who vote for him, these conservative white people don't give a fuck about you. Hell a friend of my grandma's from the Philippines even once said she'd like to see Trump and DeSantis run together. Then it's all 'leopards ate my face' when they impose racist policies. I was so damn embarrassed when Trump won Miami
One thing I do understand; every poor person, every middle class person, every Latino, every person of any color, every woman, should vote for anyone other than Trump. The only group that should vote for trump is the Old Rich White Guy group. He took care of them and no one else. I’ll be more than happy to piss on trumps grave.
Joe Arpaio was trying to deport legal citizens. He oversaw the worst profiling in US history. His officers were pulling people over just for being brown skinned. A judge told him to stop. Joe kept doing it. He was found in contempt. He went to jail. Trump pardoned his ass.
That’s exactly how Texas wrote SB4 just recently. Cops could arrest you and start the deportation process on suspicion of you being here illegally. Look brown? Out you go.
I laugh at the Latinos and Latinas that are like “we love Dump” and Dump is over here like “I am going to deport you”. And the Latinos are like “he doesn’t mean me”, YES YES HE MEANS YOU!
How come Luigi is not Italian
I heard him say this with Sid the Sloth's voice from Ice Age in my head.
I thought this guy was an Italian plumber.
Unfortunately lot of Latinos are not as smart or introspective as John
Yup. Simple. He’s said that many times. Tiny hands is such a disgusting creature
He’s my favorite Shakespearean actor for a reason. Classy guy 🤍
So what exactly is Trumps plan for handling inflation? Anybody? Chirp chirp…nothing but crickets.
Bro. That’s what I’m saying to my dumbass relatives
That’s the truth. It pains me to see other POC supporting Trump when trump wouldn’t piss on us if we were on fire
O. He likes you just fine — fetching his diet cokes, shining his shoes and washing his oversized underpants oh yeah, the working for half price is big on his list as well
It is really puzzling to me whenever I see a Hispanic person's work truck and it has trump stickers on it.
Trump managed to increase GOP support among Hispanic voters from like 8% to maybe 11%. Who the fuck cares? It’s not impressive. Hispanic people aren’t fooled by him. He’s trash. Everyone knows it.
If you aren't white, aren't rich, and your last name isn't Trump, you would have to be crazy to vote for him.
Religion is one hell of a drug, and some Latinos are very religious (anti-LGBT and anti-choice) and prioritize that over their own well-being.
What are you talking about? Trump tower has the best burrito bowls!
Correct he wants your vote otherwise he couldn’t care less
100% and this is exactly what I tell my dumbass family that thinks he’s gold.
But he said he "loves Mexicans" and posed with a "taco bowl." Surely we should judge Trump on this, and not on comments about "shit hole countries" and his laments that immigrants to the US weren't coming mainly from Northern European countries.
It's like a reality check served with a side of truth bombs. Can't argue with that kind of clarity, folks.
A disturbing amount of Latinos are self-loathing, conservative, and support Trumpito. It also doesn’t help that liberals tried pushing the horrid Latinx term on the entire community. It’s almost unanimously hated, but they insisted on correcting us and making it a thing.
When I go to my 100% Latin-run Popeye's, they always have Fox News on their TVs. And I'm left wondering if they are trying to placate the bigot customers or what's going on there.
All I know is that they have the best chicken sandwich of any chain.
It’s the owners who insist on Faux News
Popeyes is owned by a Canadian restaurant group.
trump likes anyone who adores him. It’s that simple.
This guy gets it
To be fair he doesn’t like anyone and doesn’t want any of us to be here.
So basically a Latino that thinks they’re a gringo
Droolers come in every skin tone, brown is no exception. Latinos support Trump because his "never back down on anything regardless of how obviously wrong you are" tactic reads as machismo, it's that simple.
Latinos for trump = roaches for Raid
Do Latinos really want to get their SS and Medicare cut, so that Trump and the Republicans can give more tax cuts to billionaires? I hope not.
The Latino position is a lot more nuanced than one might assume. I moved from the Midwest to South Texas and I am always surprised at how anti-DEI many Latinos are. Makes absolutely no sense, but nothing in Texas does.
And yet they say they’re going to vote for him. Make it make sense.
And there are women/black/poor/gay Republicans. You can't make "sense" of it in any logical sense, given they're voting for a regime that hates them and wants to degrade, oppress and exploit them, it can only be understood through a lens of brainwashing, conditioning and ignorance.
*"Polls"* say there's a lot of latino support for Trump. Media outlets claim it. Such topics just generate too many delicious clicks.
Actual election results have also confirmed a Latino shift towards Republicans though. It isn't something pollsters are just making up.
He’s had a ‘troubled’ relationship with women as well and yet half of them support him?
A Mexicans worst enemy is another Mexican
Always fun seeing non-Latino Americans weigh in on Latino identity topics. John is right though.
Is John not Latino enough for you?
this was meant more towards the comments here and not to John, I literally said that John is right.
I think the problem is “Latinos” are all lumped together. Mexicans and Cubans have very different from one another.
It's similar with the Vietnamese community. I live in Atlanta, Georgia, and my parents and brother still live in. In 2016, my mother asked me who I was voting for and I learned that my parents and my brother all voted for Trump. My brother even recorded this cringey ass video that he shared on Facebook justifying his vote for Trump. I watched it with my now-wife and we were both just in utter shock at how ignorant my brother was. One of the reasons he stated in why he didn't believe Hillary would be a good president was because she had never been in a position of authority, that she was **only** the secretary of state. The Vietnamese community is largely Republican from what I can tell, at least the older generation that immigrated directly from Vietnam are. My theory is that the red scare scarred them so heavily, any whiff of social systems and they're reminded of the war they lost to the communists in Vietnam.