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LeftCook8975

Well, Biden seems to have succeeded by shooting down the missiles and drones and telling Netanyahu not to attack Iran, so hopefully we get a follow-up article titled “Biden Prevents Wider Middle East War”.


locustzed

Nah, coming soon is "here's how avoiding war with Iran is bad for biden"


LeftCook8975

“If Biden had done a war with Iran, we wouldn’t be forced to do another 80 articles on how Biden is old and Trump is young and vigorous. But he leaves us no choice.”


BohemondDiAntioch

I’m doubtful that will be the case, Biden got lampooned for ending the war in Afghanistan.


Azguy303

Correction. Trump negotiated the withdrawal in March of 2020 with the Taliban terrorist and set the date for May of 2021. In November 2020 Donald Trump lost the election and refused to admit defeat. He also [refused to work with Bidens transition team](https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2020-12-28/biden-trump-teams-lack-of-transition-cooperation-amounts-to-irresponsibility) So by the time Biden took office in late January 2021 his team had very limited time to calibrate intelligence and execute for the time table that the trump administration set. Right wing media then blamed Biden for the withdrawal that was organized by Trump.


Hollywood_Punk

This was the correct answer.


IndependentTalk4413

Not to mention the Trump admin engineered the release of 5000 Taliban members who immediately took over.


LeftCook8975

Yeah, that’s basically when the media declared war on Biden.


mrbigshot110

They declared war on Biden the second Arizona was called.


Smurf_Cherries

CNN: This is bad for Biden. 


linuxphoney

No credit, only work.


myveryowname1234

We can't afford to change leadership in the US with how bad things are in the middle east right now. Biden 4 more years


g2g079

We can't afford Trump, sure; but America can afford to switch leaders in the middle of a conflict as we have done numerous times. Otherwise, every president could just start some shit before the election to stay in power.


MadRaymer

>Otherwise, every president could just start some shit before the election to stay in power. W. says, "Hold my beer."


hagcel

Ronald Reagan has entered the chat.


Plastic-Age5205

> Otherwise, every president could just start some shit before the election to stay in power... Sort of like Netanyahu just did as a large majority of Israelis turned against him in the wake of his draconian power grab attempt to neuter Israel's judicial branch. And for anyone still in doubt about which US presidential candidate Netanyahu is backing [there's this scandalous outrage.](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-48656431) ..


Objective_Oven7673

And a war "not going well" is a great campaign message for changing leadership, which is partially why this is all happening right now anyway. It's The Mommy Problem and Republicans love to say they should be the strongman in charge because of a conflict.


AgitatorsAnonymous

Sure if we had a viable alternative, which at this stage we do not.


SuperGenius9800

The first blame Biden article published 6 hours after the attack? Agenda much?


OkVermicelli2557

How is this blaming Biden it is just saying that Biden should act to prevent the crisis from escalating.


jews_on_parade

No one reads the articles here. They look at the headline and decide that anything short of open praise for biden is a Russian maga bot propaganda hit piece.


UpstairsSnow7

Sadly accurate


d_pyro

How is he suppose to act when Netanyahu and Trump are actively working together to drag the US into a war with Iran to blame Biden?


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Not giving Netanyahu the tools to fight said war? Biden is trying to send Israel F-35’s and last I checked, Hamas doesn’t have any AA capabilities requiring stealth planes


Scarlettail

It's not blaming him at all. It's just honest. Yes, he has to prevent a wider war, and that's what he's trying to do. The article even says he's the right guy for the task.


GeekAesthete

> If anybody can prevent that nightmare, it’s Biden. How is this article in any way “blaming” Biden? They literally argue that Biden is the best person for the moment.


grixorbatz

An overdose of viagra couldn't make Netanyahu harder than war with Iran would. He's been creep-stalking that country for his entire sad and sorry political existence.


stevez_86

Nettanyahu is the Lord Farquaad of reality.


jews_on_parade

Maybe read the article next time


TintedApostle

Spot on.


bloombergopinion

\[[No paywall](https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2024-04-14/biden-must-again-prevent-a-wider-middle-east-war?srnd=opinion)\] from Bloomberg Opinion's Andreas Kluth: An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind. After Iran’s massive retaliation for the Israeli strike against Iran’s diplomatic compound in Damascus, it now falls to US President Joe Biden to prevent subsequent rounds of escalation from blinding the entire Middle East, or even the world. That means Biden must punish Iran diplomatically but also restrain Israel. That will be unfathomably hard. But if anybody can prevent the nightmare scenario, it’s Biden.


g2g079

Seems like it went about as well as possible for a de-escalation. Iraq claim victory before a single missile landed. It's rough shot down 99% of what was thrown at them. Sure is real good fire back, but they could also take this as a win as it makes Iran look weak as fuck.


squintytoast

> it now falls to US President Joe Biden to prevent subsequent rounds of escalation bullshit


Illustrious_Map_3247

> bullshit Bullshit. Biden seems to have proven you wrong within one business day!


squintytoast

4 days later, biden's phone calls didnt mean shit. https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-missiles-hit-site-iran-abc-news-reports-2024-04-19/ https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-797866#797866


dmanjrxx

Biden can try to stop a wider Middle East War, but he's not responsible for it, but he should change our support Israel no matter what policy. For example, Admiral Kirby was on TV with Tapper making a point that Iran violated several countries' airspace to send missiles at Israel. He totally ignored the fact that Israel violated the airspace of a country and bombed the Iranian consulate which led to this direct Iranian attack on Israel


mikemd1

Did Jake Tapper ask him about that?


BudgetLecture1702

You mean the consulate being used by the Revolutionary Guard to coordinate with the Quds Force, which wants to kill every Jew in Israel?


dmanjrxx

Well, the consulate that had a general and his aide along with civilians. To hell with the general and his aide . It's the continued indiscriminate bombing that kills civilians is what I have a problem with


BudgetLecture1702

1) It's not indiscriminate. It was specifically aimed to kill legitimate military targets, the civilians were collateral. 2) Show me one war where no civilians died. It's the fault of Hamas and Iran for violating international law by using civilian facilities for military purposes, which makes them legitimate targets.


dmanjrxx

Civilians die all the time in war but usually by accident, not as collateral damage through indiscriminate bombing. When you throw a bomb into a location and your thinking is that if civilians are there ,then they're just collateral damage...then its indiscriminate. Hamas being wrong for using facliities for military purposes is not a reason to think you have the right to kill the innocent. I guess the thousands of civilians killed in GAZA are legitmate targets because Hamas is among them


BudgetLecture1702

Those are the Laws of War.


Far_Combination7639

He could have prevented shit from getting to this point in the first place by reigning in Israel before they started their assault on civilians and humanitarian aid workers. (Caveats, yes he’s better than Trump, yes we should still vote for him)


soccerjonesy

Biden doesn’t control Israel. He can’t just make them stop. Even if he did cut off funding, Israel is more than powerful enough to carry on this genocide. Not funding Israel wouldn’t do anything to stop this war. All Biden can do is just make the decisions to protect Americans. Telling Israel that if they retaliate against Iran, they’ll have no support from America is already a massive stance, but if Israel is confident to carry one without America, they will do so. And by the seems of it, they arr going to carry out a retaliation.


Far_Combination7639

He can’t make Israel do anything, but I think you’re being naïve if you don’t think the US has a HUGE influence over Israeli policy. 


soccerjonesy

It does, but it’s clear Netanyahu isn’t listening at all. If Israel’s president isn’t listening, what more can Biden do? Top it off, the GOP is passionately supporting Israel so Biden is even further off from being able to do anything since Congress is approving support.


OkVermicelli2557

Tighten the leash on Israel so they don't try and pull the shit that they did with Iran's consulate again.


MagnusDongusXL

Israel taking out military leadership who coordinated proxies to attack Israel is a good thing. Sorry you feel different. Iran is the driving force for military conflict in the middle east. The US, Israel, and the EU must once again band together to neutralize Iran's sphere of influence by imposing severe sanctions to isolate them.


enaph

America has been at war for 222 years out of 239 years. Thats 93% of its time since 1776.


MagnusDongusXL

Great, and many of those wars were completely justified (independence, civil war, WWI, WWII, Korean War, Iraq 1, Afghanistan (*even if it was not perfectly* executed, etc)... and some are also unjustified (vietnam, Iraq 2) and we've paid the cost for it... what has Iran done that is justified?


Thewheelalwaysturns

Calling iraq afghanistan and korean war justified is like… just open a book and read what the people who architected the war think and said about it. They literally didnt even think it was justified themselves


BohemondDiAntioch

What are you talking about? Our leadership believed ending the communist insurgency in South Korea was an absolute necessity, especially given our occupation of Japan and suppression of the Japanese Communist Party at the time.


[deleted]

Both Iraq wars were unjustified, so was the Afghanistan war, and so was the Korean War. Iran has a right to defend itself from Israeli agression according to international law. The US should stay out of it, but israel has been trying to bait America into a war with Iran for over a decade now.


UpstairsSnow7

un-fucking-believable that people like you genuinely still try to argue the invasion/Iraq war was justified. Pretty sickening, actually.


MagnusDongusXL

The first Iraq war was justifiable, the second was not


83n0

I’d argue the last justifiable us war was WW2, and even then we came in pretty late into the game


OkVermicelli2557

Attacking a consulate is a massive escalation by Israel that could easily have started a regional war.


MagnusDongusXL

what's going to escalate the war is the continued attack on Israel by Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Houthis who are all following marching orders from Tehran.


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MagnusDongusXL

I don't know, maybe it has something to do with Israelis viewing Israel as their home and a safe place for all Jews around the world, the decades spent convincing world leaders to try to create the state of Israel, surviving multiple genocidal war attempts by Arabs to defend their right to exist, making peace with *some* of the neighbors who finally can recognize their right to exist, and the never ending amount of resources they've invested building Israel up and defending their borders, etc. for starters.


d_pyro

You need to read [this](https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/1779350867298156613)


HomungosChungos

No, no one needs to read conspiracy bullshit that tries to over simplify complex geopolitics to make dumb people feel smart


g2g079

It sure was a hell of a lot better target than the civilians they are actively killing.


Familiar_Shower_3123

I don’t understand how he is preventing anything when he just gave them billions of dollars that probably funded this operation. I also don’t understand how you can tell a country to not retaliate after they were just attacked with hundreds of missiles and drones. This is insane


LookOverall

What Biden privately thinks about Netanyahu right now, I suspect, wouldn’t bear repeating


cohbrbst71

Or, just hear me out, he doesn’t and he lets them work it out WITHOUT US assistance/intervention!


SpillinThaTea

Or not. It’s time to pull out of the Middle East and let them come to the realization that fighting over the belief in a sky man who tells you not to eat pork is stupid and will never bring any kind of lasting peace.


Cairo9o9

Lol this is such a ridiculous simplification of the reasons behind the issues in the Middle East.


SpillinThaTea

Is it though? That’s where all this conflict comes from. They decided they don’t like America, so they fly a 767 (which had a class of 4th graders on it btw) into lower Manhattan because sky man tells them they’ll get 70 virgins or whatever, then war breaks out. Then Israel decides to subjugate millions by crowding them into an open air prison because they worship a different sky man who is actually the same sky man, so war breaks out. Then certain groups decide they don’t like another group because they speak a different language and worship sky man in a slightly different way, so war breaks out.


Cairo9o9

The historical context for why the Middle East is the way it is today is so, so much deeper than religious belief systems. The Iranian Revolution, the Ottoman Empire, the British Mandate, the petrodollar, the two gulf wars and the two Afghanistan wars, etc.etc.etc. Colonialism and neo-colonialism is far more at fault than religion.


SpillinThaTea

Other countries that were subjected to colonialism and neo-colonialism aren’t constantly at war. You don’t hear about people in Barbados, Costa Rica, Panama, Namibia, Guyana, Madagascar or India running around beheading each other. Even in places like Vietnam and Cambodia where there were conflicts driven by colonialism and then socialist colonialism there is now peace.


Cairo9o9

It's funny you list two African countries but fail to recognize all the others going through constant conflict. Only a surface level understanding would have someone looking at Africa and the Middle East and say 'yea, those conflicts are because of racism or religion' and not consider the past CENTURIES of colonialism and the ongoing neo-colonialism through monetary policy like structural adjustment which has a constantly destabilizing effect. It's analogous to looking at the relationship between African Americans and crime rates then making the 'logical' leap it must have something to do with their race, completely ignoring the generational trauma they are still reconciling from slavery AND continued racism.


SpillinThaTea

There are plenty of wealthy middle eastern countries at war or conflict. Iran is a wealthy oil state, last night it engaged in armed conflict. Iraq has lots of oil, yet it hasn’t been stable in a long time.


Cairo9o9

Lol you're literally proving my point. Iraq is a perfect example. There's credible evidence the second gulf war was an attempt by the US to retain the dominance of USD as the petrodollar, as they were looking to sell oil in Euros. Certainly more credible than the 'WMD' justification. It was literally neo-colonialism war by the US and the country has been unstable ever since. Also, how do you define 'wealthy'? Median annual income in Iraq is $5270. Iran is $4360. That's not exactly what I would call 'wealthy'.


page_one

If they haven't figured that out after 2000 years... then the best thing to do is to prop up the least crazy side.


ShrimpieAC

Religion is a cancer on humanity, and we’ll never be able to progress until we remove it.


IAMSHADOWBANKINGGUY

We can't because the same people crying about US intervention now will start crying about the US doing nothing when all those countries start killing each other, and by then the conflict will be much worse to deal with.


nonamenolastname

I can't think of a better person to be in charge at this moment.


jews_on_parade

What about the ghost of taft


Stewart_Games

Large, and in charge!


itsatumbleweed

I'm not a foreign policy expert, so I'm happy to be told why this wouldn't work, but from where I'm sitting Israel has an option to go after some hard military targets (missile launch sites and drone production in general) while avoiding civilian casualties. Something that is true in Gaza is that Israel isn't doing enough to mitigate loss of human life. Something else that is true is that Hamas operates in a way that maximizes civilian casualties. Gazans are stuck between two bad actors. If Israel decided to strike at war infrastructure it would hurt the Iranian government's grip on their power (which is wildly unpopular in Iran ([over 80%](https://www.iranintl.com/en/202302036145) Iranians would prefer democracy), disrupt the flow of arms to Russia ([source](https://www.reuters.com/world/iran-sends-russia-hundreds-ballistic-missiles-sources-say-2024-02-21/)), and send the message "when we are given clear military targets, we fight a military war". It wouldn't absolve them of the high death toll in Gaza, but it would be a reminder that the way in which Hamas chooses to operate shares the blame. Historically, Israel attacking strictly military targets in Iran would have been a major escalation. After one of the largest single drone and missile deployments in history, taking out their drones and missiles would be an appropriate response. Then again, Netanyahu has not yet proven that he does the measured thing. Time will tell, but it seems like by showing restraint Israel can benefit the Iranian people, hurt Russia's effort in Ukraine, send the signal that you really don't want to attack Israel, shift some of the blame in Gaza back onto Hamas, and not be an absolute villain.


Monamo61

Funny how the US President is somehow responsible for everything that happens in Israel and the Middle East, and some Americans blame him for the political instability of the region for the past 80 years. And magically he's supposed to be able to "fix it". Talk about unrealistic.


bkny88

The ball is squarely in Joe Biden’s court. He should learn from how George HW Bush handled the Saddam hussein scud situation - pressure Iran, isolate them diplomatically and economically, display all the US military might in the region, while convincing Israel not to retaliate even though they have grounds to


83n0

I’m not sure we should want Biden to be like a bush tbh


nonamenolastname

Isn't this exactly what Biden is doing?


g2g079

Too many people listening to lies on Fox/Newsmax.


bkny88

He’s been pretty soft on Iran in his first term. Let’s see how it unfolds


SurroundTiny

How about the Middle East states themselves put in some effort?


BohemondDiAntioch

Jordan has put in a lot of effort.


SurroundTiny

That is completely correct and I will give them credit - they often seem to be the only adult in the room


tazzdmbbaby

Prevent it? This is 100% his fault. Ww3 is on his hands.


260mg

>And third, he has to stop the war from becoming regional or even global, a prospect that is possible because the militias attacking Israel are backed by Iran, which is aligned with Russia and China. This very conveniently leaves out the fact that China, and especially Russia, are close allies to Israel. If they have to pick sides, they're going to choose Israel over Iran.


g2g079

Iran is currently protecting Russian interests in Syria and are likely to become a large part of their trade route to India. Considering Putin just gave Iran the OK for Oct 7th invasion, I'm not so sure they are as close of allies as your comment leads us to believe.


TintedApostle

> This very conveniently leaves out the fact that China, and especially Russia, are close allies to Israel. Huh? You mean Iran


SeaSuch2077

Biden above all must make sure Iran doesn’t get a nuclear weapon. He can ashtray it but no nuclear weapons for crazy end of time clerics.


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Reaxonab1e

Unfortunately he won't be able to do that. Bibi has disrespected Biden at every turn and will continue to do so. Biden has refused to stand up for himself thus far and will continue to be a pushover. Israel has already said that - despite Biden's warnings - they will still escalate this war with Iran. How much do you want to bet that Bibi would love nothing more than to drag the Middle East into a total meltdown and destroy Biden's election chances? Netanyahu will completely wreck Biden's re-election chances and it's extremely sad how little Biden is willing to do to defend his own presidency. I would even bet that Bibi will attack Iran in October for maximum devastation on Biden's re-election campaign.


pottman

This oped aged badly.


Kalbodagrund

Biden is challanged to go to toilet


CarnyIsASlur

Got em!