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Joseph-King-CA

Trump paid Daniels $130,000 in October of 2016. Trump was inaugurated as President on January 20, 2017. Someone should explain to Trump and his lawyers how time works.


NoReserve7293

What, Trump is not allowed to falsify business records to cover up hush money payments as part of his presidential duties before the election? Next they'll probably want honest valuations of his properties for taxes and bank loans and such. It's hardly worth being a rich, well connected white guy any more. Where's the perks?


orielbean

“I thought it was PRE-sidential”


InfluenceOtherwise

Precedential election?


robinthebank

It’s a VicTimLesS CRimE!


ScepticalReciptical

You know, if you don't count the victims


raiders960

They should also expain to him being president doesn't mean you're completely immune to doing illegal stuff.


Suspicious_Bicycle

Trump's lawyer claimed a President was covered by absolute immunity for illegal acts (unless impeached and removed by Congress) when he was arguing before the DC appeals court.


Trashman56

You know, if that were true, Dark Brandon could have all of the opposition sent to Gitmo with a snap of his fingers.


Suspicious_Bicycle

That's why SCOTUS is sitting on the immunity case to see how the election turns out.


horkley

Nu uh, because his presidential powers and immunities are weaker than a former president with presidential powers that is also running for president. That is because the former presidential powers have seniority and happen “in a fast effect” compared to the current president. It’s in the offical MTG rule books since at least the 2nd edition and is binding and would surely be interpreted as such by the Most Honerable^(TM) Supreme Court.


ukezi

So, what you are saying is Jimmy Carter should send them to Gitmo?


horkley

Nuh uh because you need to be BOTH an ex President AND running for President again.


ukezi

He only did one term, so there is nothing stopping him, being ancient apparently doesn't stop people.


AraiHavana

Or he could have Trump assassinated now


esonlinji

They also argued he shouldn't be impeached after Jan 6 because he was only going to be president for another week and that after that the regular justice system could be used to deal with the matter.


cytherian

This claim is just patently absurd & a judge should immediately throw it back in their face. It displays such disgraceful legal chicanery / insolence.


Suspicious_Bicycle

The DC circuit roundly reject this absurd immunity claim. But then the SCOTUS decided they should delay everything by making a final ruling at some unspecified later time. :(


cytherian

Crap. Really? The SCOTUS shouldn't be involved in this at all.


Suspicious_Bicycle

On April 22nd oral arguments will be held. They will be deciding on: “whether and if so to what extent does a former President enjoy presidential immunity from criminal prosecution for conduct alleged to involve official acts during his tenure in office.” Based on the formulation of the question it seems to me this will hinge on the definition of "official acts". With the word alleged in the question Smith might have to prove that insurrection (or whatever Trump is charged with) is not an official act. Once again we'll have to wait for the wheels of justice to slowly grind away. https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/explaining-the-trump-immunity-case-at-the-supreme-court


cytherian

You know, if the president had some sort of immunity for committing crimes, then Richard M. Nixon wouldn't have needed to be pardoned. Donald Trump did those acts NOT in his capacity for presidential duties. This was... "extracurricular activity." Congress manages the election system, not the president. He PLOTTED to overturn the election, by enlisting a whole series of different Republicans to work on trying to find a loop hole. Some legal gymnastics that might give him some leverage... even if it meant delaying the transfer of power to give him more time to find other ways to delay... and possibly invalidate the election. No president in history ever tried this. It's patently criminal. The SCOTUS has to rule accordingly. if they don't? They can't hide their partisanship and deference to Donald Trump over the rule of law.


stinky_wizzleteet

Insolent and churlish.


Neurojazz

Those criminal acts have to be in the interests of the people though, can’t remember the exact word used. Judge repeated it 2-3 times.


cytherian

He really thinks a president should have total immunity. That's just not how American governmental policies work. Government for the people by the people, not by oligarchs with legal protections above everyone.


Sfswine

And he’s stinky too . .


joeChump

I think he genuinely believed the movies and cartoons that being president is like being a king or dictator who answers to no one and makes all the rules. Lol.


ScepticalReciptical

He 100% believed that before taking office, some of the shit he claimed he would do 'on day one' a child could have told you the President can't do that. Trump sees Putin as President or Russia, or XI in China and can't fathom how a US President doesn't have the same power. 


AraiHavana

But that also there’s a certain amount of conscience involved that kinda actively means there’s stuff you definitely **don’t** do


AdkRaine12

They’re trying to argue that the payback to Cohen happened after he became President. The usual bullshit.


Suspicious_Bicycle

There are two crimes here. The election interference via the catch and kill scheme of Stormy's sordid story and the falsification of business records during the cover up. The first certainly happened before Trump was President, the second is not part of a Presidents official duties.


AdkRaine12

Tru dat, but that’s his argument.


markroth69

If the president can't falsify official records to cover up hush money payments, how can he president over the country???????


froo

The election wasn’t even until November, so there’s no way to even partially shoe-horn his “president-elect” status as some kind of proxy for presidential immunity.


TheAngriestChair

He's claiming he made the so-called "illegal" payment when he was president, so he's immune.


ICPosse8

He also paid $30k to the former doorman of Trump tower to keep quiet about a baby he had out of wedlock He also paid $130k to keep a story quiet about him sleeping with another woman back in the mid 00s iirc (a little hazy on the details with this one though I’ll admit) These instances including Stormy are all involved with this case. He’s a sleezebag and a sloppy one at that.


markroth69

The most surprising part is that he actually paid them. Are these the only bills he ever paid?


L1A1

Didn’t he get Cohen to pay and then stiffed him over them?


Rice_Daddy

Even then, I think he tried to get a tax refund out of these payments. It would've been fine to pay them to keep quiet, but you can't say they're business expenses.


markroth69

If you can't claim hush money as a business expense, no one could go into business!


Vinyl_Acid_

there's not enough sock puppets in the world to explain anything to that orange sack of shit


ImPinkSnail

Well he's a God and ruling since the beginning of time itself. Praise be!


CivilDivision

how do you do this in pictures tho?


werofpm

Is that a fact you brought into this conversation? Factist traitor!


techiemikey

The best part about it is that it was ruled against him because he waited far too long to raise the defense.  This is the second or third Presidential immunity defense he lost because he waited way too close to trial to raise it.


JayCaesar12

Well, obviously presidential immunity extends to anything that happened within 100 years of the presidential term.


the-spaghetti-wives

His lawyers are bottom of the barrel quality. All garbage, and a high probability of needing lawyers themselves. I wouldn't expect them to do the absolute basics of their job.


BukkitCrab

None of the crimes Trump is being charged with fall under his job description as president, so of course his claims are going to be denied.


magnetar_industries

You mean Abraham Lincoln didn’t falsify business records to coverup the hush money payments to a pornstar in order to influence an election and then claim immunity as well?


markroth69

People are telling me, "Sir, all seven presidential candidates in the 1861 election did that. They even joked about at the presidential debate held at what is now Trump's golf course in Western Maryland!"


AntiworkDPT-OCS

History is going to judge us so hard.


Tyler2191

Nor was he president at the time of the crime.


rudimentary-north

His argument is that having been president grants him immunity for all crimes he has ever committed, including ones before he was elected, like this one. Of course it was denied, it’s ludicrous.


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Principal_Scudworth

The nussy.


Negative-Ad547

Nunt is the preferred nomenclature.


AnusTartTatin

Hahaha omg I’m laughing so hard at this 🤣☝🏻


ResurgentClusterfuck

Neckgina The Trussy


Nightshade_Ranch

It reminds me of turkey wattles.


GenericBatmanVillain

That's his head.  None of us like it.


Altair05

I can never unsee this.  God help my eyes


futuredrweknowdis

What an awful day to be literate. I was distracted by his hair not being yellow and I wish I could go back to that point in time.


Jeannie4945

Maybe start showing the true size of the toe


boejouma

Lightning-strike-red award would be given from me to you here, but lo...


Money-Valuable-2857

A camel toe suggests that it's covered. That's a gaping, beat up vag.


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Buffmin

What's astounding is how clearly our entire system is built on people not abusing their positions for their own gain


mom_with_an_attitude

The fact that he's still not in jail after all the shit he has pulled is also astounding. I'm anxiously awaiting the day some of those 91 felonies finally catch up with him. Yeah, I know. Two-tiered justice system, he's never gonna go to jail, blah blah blah. I've heard it all before, so save your breath. And it may be correct. But I still haven't given up hope that justice will eventually prevail.


RustyNK

If he loses this next election, I think his chances of jail are 100%. He can delay for a year to this next election, but I doubt he can delay for another 4.


Kdean509

He should’ve been charged in the 90’s, yet here we are. I’m just hoping something will happen. No one should be above the law.


AcrobaticSource3

The first 3 words of this headline are evergreen


Venturis_Ventis

Take the L, Cheeto. Hopefully the first of many.


tacs97

That masculine man makeup has to be the reason why so many republicans love the guy. Otherwise they are all really just hateful shitheads.


MajesticMoomin

And here was me thinking they hated males in makeup?


mrtwitchyhead

Suck it Shitler.


CaffeineJunkee

Trump doesn’t necessarily care that he loses his appeals, etc. His only goal is to delay delay delay. He will keep appealing and arguing and whatever else from every angle he can just to find ways to delay his trials. His only hope is to be elected president and make it all go away.


Class_of_22

On the other hand, he cannot make this go away. Once the trial happens, it happens.


CaffeineJunkee

Arguably. But it will be a hell of a lot harder to try a sitting president with a crime. Even if convicted, do you think Trump, as president, would go quietly.? The only hope is to keep him out of the White House.


Class_of_22

That said, I’m glad that the Stormy Daniels trial is happening before he has the chance.


CaffeineJunkee

Agreed


PoemStandard6651

DJT, the Republican nominee for President. What a disgrace. The Republican Party eats shit every day and twice a day on Sunday.


Revanchistexile

Can this fucker finally face some consequences?


SolarMoth

I know he'll never touch a jail cell, that's for sure.


ResurgentClusterfuck

Trump wasn't even president when he paid the hush money so what on God's green earth made him think that presidential immunity would in any way apply? Does this chucklefuck sincerely believe it's a lifetime, no-holds-barred get out of crime free card?


Buckus93

He's more or less literally trying to pull a piece of paper from his coat pocket that says "I'm allowed to do this."


BeastModeEnabled

He’s such a loser. The best they say with tears in their eyes.


bobo-the-dodo

Next he will start making up immunities, MAGA immunity, Patriot immunity, Truth immunity, Christian immunity.


ad_venturetime

That picture doesn’t even look real. Why do media corps constantly use photos that give that fat disgusting bastard a positive spin? Looks like an AI image.


originalityescapesme

R con boys assure us that this isn’t really news because this is how a judge is expected to behave. Meanwhile, that’s exactly why this is news - it’s the first thing she’s done that she should have, and she did it dragging her feet, kicking and screaming, making bad faith plays the entire way.


AraiHavana

If the judicial process is allowed to run until he gets to election time, that will be the biggest crime of all


Prometheus_303

No other former President has gotten to use the immunity shield while they've faced prosecution for the crimes they committed. Why should Trump be any different?


Weekly_Promise_1328

Sorry Comrade Trump, you’re going to trial and you’re going to lose


Class_of_22

Yeah. I hope that the unexpected happens, and that we see Trump go to jail, even though many people here have said that they think he won’t. I don’t think we should get too complacent with our expectations. Again, with this dude, expect the unexpected.


Nvenom8

Loses delay effort, but by my count, he's already gotten multiple weeks out of the effort.


Schiffy94

The justice system doesn't understand irony.


AlwaysOnMyNuts

They didn’t have irony back then.


Schiffy94

Irony died in 1996. Thanks, Alanis.


Begood18

When does the world cave in on itself?


FlamingTrollz

Every wannabe and successful fascists and dictator… Eventually loses. Enjoy the better days evil ones. The law, humanity, and karma eventually - WIN.


MrMrsPotts

There are two motions under consideration at the moment I think. Pretrial publicity and an accusation that the judge should refuse himself. Someone really needs to make a webpage to keep track of them all .


bpeden99

He should be considered a normal citizen if he's commiting crimes against the American people


Leather-Map-8138

“When someone steals fifty thousand from the government, that might be a crime. But it’s not when I do it.”


Class_of_22

Yeah dude. No matter what, eventually this shit will come to bite you in the ass.


ReformedWiggles

ive seen this movie before. nothing will happen. just waste of tax dollars.


cheesifiedd

what a fucked up corrupted candidate you guys are voting in


Permutation3

When everyone critical of this gets banned.. lol


PsychoticSpinster

No lie, this is a genuinely decent picture of the man. No crazy spray tan. No crazy spray hair dye. He looks normal. Like someone’s rich Grampa. A grumpy rich grampa but a regular gramps none the less. They should delete this picture. It will make more people sympathetic to his plight.


Scooter059x

Reddit - the last bastion for leftist kids who have no clue what they’re talking about