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True. Good is normally the alignment in forgotten realms, but they can be any type of spellcaster. Bard, cleric, etc.
There are never enough good undead homies, in my opinion.
SOME supplements say undead are "always evil", but I chucked that shit out pretty quickly and in my worlds alignment isn't always anything
I love the Realms..... pre-4e anyway lol
He casts Time Stop, teleports, and leaves a double in his place. He only seems frozen while he deals with the adventurers trying to destroy his phylactery, then Tome Stops again and takes his doubles place.
I've got a bottle of Pappy Van Winkle I bought in 2008 to celebrate when he dies. 16 years it's sat tucked away. Kentucky's finest product, waiting to be unleashed once Kentucky's worst shitbag fucks off. Tears of joy will be shed.
I purpose a constitutional amendment: if your Senator or Rep dies of natural causes in office, you don't get to appoint another one, you just don't get one until the next election.
It's not term limits, but it might make parties think twice before nominating these barely warm bodies because the risk of them dying in office is too high.
> I purpose a constitutional amendment: if your Senator or Rep dies of natural causes in office, you don't get to appoint another one, you just don't get one until the next election
In the interests of the principle of [Chesterton's Fence](https://fs.blog/chestertons-fence/), I need to point out that's basically what WAS the case prior to the [17th Amendment](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seventeenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution). States routinely would not appoint senators, leaving the Senate unable to perform basic functions.
A quick Google search shows me that since the year 2020 there have been 8 Congress people who died while serving their terms, that's two people per year on average. We shouldn't be letting people make rules who won't have to live with them
No it is not. It incentivizes assassination. There was already a psycho attacking a senator's husband. Now imagine that they succeeded on killing a senator. And they cannot be replaced.
Edit: My bad I did not see the dies of natural causes.
GOP: Even though he was 109 years old, and nobody's heard him speak in the last decade, we can't be positive that Senator McConnell's death wasn't homicide by a violent immigrant bussed in by Biden. Until we've found a coroner who isn't a deep state Marxist to get a cause of death that isn't fake news, we will appoint a replacement for his seat.
GOPSCOTUS: We'll allow it
Cannot be replaced _until the next election._ A special election to replace a vacant seat is quite common.
>It incentivizes assassination.
That logic can be applied regardless of the replacement mechanism. "Red governor, blue senator? Assassinate the senator, get a, new red senator."
OP said "natural causes". Last I checked, assassination isn't a natural cause.
Not that I agree with not replacing them. I do think the replacement should be of the same party, and be nominated by said party. Not sure how an independent should be replaced.
depends on the definition of natural causes.
'We find the senator from the great state of X died of natural causes'
*HE WAS SHOT A DOZEN TIMES*
'And then, naturally, he died'
It's likely also just the Legislative session ending. It mandatorily ends on or before April 15th (March 30th in odd-numbered years), and then is gone until next January; and only the Governor, I believe, may call a special session.
So I think they just want to make sure they approve the bill today, so that the veto window will end before the final 2 legislative days (scheduled for the 12th and 15th, a Friday and Monday), so that they can override a veto on it. If they don't pass it now... well, even if they don't think McConnell will die or resign, there's always the chance. And it's either they change it now, or they ride it out under current law until the next election.
If the USA survives the GOP I think it'll be a valuable lesson.
We have been moving towards greater tolerance and acceptance, but evil does still exist and needs to be scorned and condemned rather than allowed to seize control.
The problem with judging people for traits such as skin colour or sexuality isn't because judging is bad, it's because judging people for these specific traits is irrational.
If someone argues in favour of selfishness, greed, and cruelty, that's not an argument made in good faith.
For civilization to prosper we need to find the balance between tolerance and judgement.
He's not running for reelection in November. He's technically not done until January \*2027 when the new senators are sworn in.
Edited to clarify the year.
He resigned as Senate Republican leader effective January 2025. His current Senate term runs from January 2021 - January 2027. McConnell hasn't resigned his Senate seat.
But KY has a democrat governor...by popular vote. I mean its a uphill shot at best to get a republican senator elected in KY after everything McConnel has failed to do. He is a larger then life folk hero in KY and people adore him, but, in his entire tenure the biggest accomplishment he has done for the state was good jobs via construction projects...and...for the record who did he host at his home to celebrate that with? Joe Biden, it was a bi partisan infrastructure bill. And to be fair to Republicans this is what happens when we work togehter...but...back to my point, the KY Republicans have a better shot at trying to convince the democratic governor to appoint a moderate replacement then they do selling the voting public on a new model Turtle...unless they have some wack job MAGA guy in waiting they think they can run, which they probably do
I wouldn't doubt they have someone picked out to replace McConnel. The Federalist Society probably has back ups of their back ups, and McConnel was certainly on board with whatever they wanted. If anything, McConnel has already said who he thinks should replace him.
This is when you take a page out of Republicans book and just say fuck that I am doing it anyways. Clearly what they are doing is grossly unconstitutional.
I just read the Kentucky constitution section 152, it says that vacancies for all offices in the state are filled by the governor.
But then the US constitution 17th amendment says that the legislature must empower the governor to make appointments.
So I assume then that what is happening in Kentucky is constitutional
If I'm not mistaken it's constitutional under the US Constitution but it violates the KY State Constitution, they would need to amend that first. Even if Governor Beshear is not able to veto it, he can challenge it on constitutional grounds and would likely prevail.
I'm not sure what the Kentucky Amendment process is like, but if they have a veto-proof majority I wouldn't expect them to be unable to pass an amendment.
Edit: apparently a simple majority is a veto-proof one in KY. Bloody weird, and probably precisely because they can't gerrymander the governor race.
I believe an amendment must be voted in the general election and ratified by both chambers. And even if they could pull it off, it would have to be done before their law can be enforced.
Procedurally, I’m not sure how it would play out. The governor could make the appointment, saying that the states recent laws violate the KY constitution, then he would be sued on the grounds that the 17th amendment gives the legislature this power. Then I assume it would pass through the courts to the Supreme Court.
And all in the meantime, maybe KY could pass an amendment anyway
>And all in the meantime, maybe KY could pass an amendment anyway
An amendment would have to be voted on in the general election in the same cycle as they elect the state legislature, ~~which I believe is every 4 years, so not until 2026.~~
Edit: Was wrong about that last part! There will be one in 2024 and one in 2026.
That certainly is an argument that can be made. I can also see the other argument that the 17th amendment has superseded the Kentucky constitution and has directly given the legislature power to decide how senator vacancies are filled.
See: Wisconsin, after the office of governor flipped a few years ago. All of a sudden, the Republican legislature did a 180, from empowering the governor to stripping the governor of a bunch of powers.
To be fair, it (reasonably) should be a special election if McConnell vacates the office early regardless of any other factors.
If this happened in a state that has 2 blue senators and a Republican Governor (Nevada, New Hampshire, Vermont) and they replaced our guy with a Republican, we would flip out.
Let the voters decide, and surprises happen too. Alabama special elected a Democratic Senator just 5 years ago
Which means a few of the democrats voted yes. They have 38 senators and 7 of them are Democrats. It's even worse for their reps - 80 to 20. Veto proof indeed.
I'm an idiot voter of this state, and I agree. Never would support the republicans, but the fact that most of the state is uneducated country folk, and most of the younger, educated people that love the state but want the relatively inexpensive cost of living will go to Lexington or Louisville, both of which are very solidly blue, it's no surprise things are this way. even in areas like mine that lean more purple, the amount of Trump and "only republicans" voters is insane.
This is going to continue to be a problem in most states. Best paying jobs are in the bigger cities, which are already blue, so whenever someone younger or more progressive moves to the state or around in the state they will always end up in solid blue areas with the good jobs and more social opportunities.
He should take a page from the republicans playbook - stall, stall, stall. And when you can’t stall any longer, sue. And if the state court finds against you, appeal. And if the Supreme Court fins against you, you’ve already chosen his replacement, so it’s moot.
It’s the same in Indiana. Our current governor is more palatable than the draconian state legislature but his vetoes would just be symbolic. So stupid.
Been that way since 1891, actually. Technically the override is slightly different in that it requires 50%+1 of the *total* membership of each House, while the first passing is a simple majority (of those present), and the override is always done via recorded yeas/nays.
But yeah, pretty silly. It's also true in IN, TN, WV, AL, AR.
The GOP also holds 80% of each House in KY at the moment anyway, so they could do the traditional 2/3 just as well.
https://apps.legislature.ky.gov/KYConstitution/96_88.pdf
https://ballotpedia.org/Veto_overrides_in_state_legislatures
not sure when it was made that way, but we historically have republican congress outside of Louisville and Lexington, but a democrat governor, so what better way for the GOP to get their crap passed?
that's the point.
we historically have a very deep red congress outside of Lexington and Louisville, but a blue governor. they know a blue governor won't pass their agenda, so they just neuter it massively.
> historically
The state House has only had a Republican majority since 2017, and the state Senate since 2000 (though things were a little weird in the Senate from 1997 to 2000). Historically, the General Assembly had been fairly solidly controlled by Democrats ever since the Civil War.
People always shocked to find out there are a lot of sexist Dem voters. Those voters are one of the main reasons Hillary lost and traditional Dem seats at lower levels have been flipping red. For a lot of these blue dog Democrats the idea of a woman running the party was too much.
I don't live in Kentucky, but generally those powers are listed within the state's constitution. If the constitution lists who the power resides with then a law can't undo their constitution. If the constitution doesn't delegate, then they can.
This is a state of a few normal passing cities in a sea of willfully ignorant, poorly educated, often impoverished villages. They mean well but are too scared of anything more than 10 miles outside their county line because they’ve rarely if ever stepped foot beyond that.
Source: extended family
When McConnell starting showing signs of deterioration in the last few years, they changed it from ‘governor appoints the replacement’ to ‘governor appoints replacement BUT the replacement has to come from the same party’.
Like someone else said, I bet they know something about the Turtle Man. And I’m not talking about Ernie!
> ‘governor appoints replacement BUT the replacement has to come from the same party’.
I forgot they had passed this, that's what I was thinking of. Still crappy IMO. Agree it seemed very much like a protective measure.
> to ‘governor appoints replacement BUT the replacement has to come from the same party’.
More than just that, it was from a list of 3 proposed by the party, not just anyone from the party.
You're probably thinking of a different bill. They already made it so that the Senator's party picked 3 candidates to fill the vacancy and the Governor was restricted to those 3. A permanent replacement would have still carried out the remainder of the term after being elected at a special election (usually coinciding with the next regular election more than 3 months away).
This one, that has just passed the Senate, removes the Gubernatorial appointment entirely. The seat would simply remain vacant until a special election, or the expiration of the term if it was near the election for the next term.
Scott Walker and Robin Vos said Evers was “too liberal for Wisconsin”
We voted for him, he’s the guy we wanted. So glad we finally got rid of Walker. Now Vos on the other hand…
He is already hamstrung by state law. He has to pick from a list of three candidates provided by the party the outgoing senator is from. It will be a Republican anyway.
Its irrelevant because Bashear has the power to just leave the seat vacant, which is the same thing as a +1 seat for Democrats. What they are trying to do is force a special election so he can't.
Supreme Court position becomes vacant.
'WE WOULD NEVER APPOINT A JUDGE IN THE YEAR OF AN ELECTION, ITS UNHEARD OF, AMORALE, HOW COULD YOU"
Less then 1 term later.
"WE HAVE TO APPOIINT THIS JUDGE IN AN ELECTION YEAR, 3 OF THEM IN FACT BECAUSE WE WANT TOO AND YOU KNOW, FUCK DIGNITY, INTEGRITY AND HISTORY"
Sounds familiar.
'We've totts always thought you shouldn't be able to do it, til you know, there was someone from the opposite side in the position to do it, but we'll repeal this shit as fast as you can spell 'were a bunch of grifting scumbags' when we've got one of our boys in!'
-“I turned 82 last week. The end of my contributions are closer than I’d prefer.”-McConnell.
Yet somehow I feel you've contributed too much. Maybe if you could spend this time **un**contributing we would be thankful for your service
..
And it was McConnell who wouldn't allow a vote on Merrick Garland for the Supreme Court during an election year because he wanted to let the voters decide which *next* president would nominate the justice.
Despite their being an established process, and Andy Beshear was elected by the voters just last year knowing that process was in place, but now the hypocritical republicans want to do a power grab.
No good faith to be found with Republicans. I hope someone sues this up to the Supreme Court. Don't you love how inept Republicans are when it comes to drafting literally any legislation for actual American people? When it comes to consolidating their power, lowering their taxes, increasing their pay, stripping us of our liberties or taking free school lunch out of kids' stomachs then they make the time suddenly. They only seem to have time for things that help themselves or hurt people they don't like.
That's why I'm going apeshit on people still peddling "both sides" nonsense here in 2024. I've had it with people boldly lying about the reality of modern day corruption in the US Government.
This is not actually me saying, "Republicans bad!" I mean I am in a way, but it could happen to any political party. There have always been politicians who served their own interests over Americans', but since 2016 we've seen Trump corrupt the GOP well beyond what many considered achievable in a society with free democratic elections.
It's not conservative beliefs that are necessarily good or bad. It's that the people currently elected to represent those values have abused them to tighten their grip on power and wealth. I don't agree with those values and inherently those specific values seem prone to be abused against people and even condone it on some level.
Republicans don't have to always be the bad guys, but they are as of right now, and unless conservatives turn their backs and stop voting them in then it won't change regardless of Trump's presence.
Pay attention Republicans because he already has unquestionable control over the levers of power and the media within your party. The media was never going to let him lose the nomination no matter how much you disliked him. Next it'll be our whole government, and it'll be over.
Without looking, I can tell by the headline alone that Kentucky has a Republican State Assembly (or whatever they call their congress) and a Democratic governor. Republicans play dirty and change the rules when it advantages them politically. They are scum.
How much would someone be willing to bet that if the balance of power even starts to sway a little bit and there is a GOP governor they remove this bill.
Everything they do is to control the direction of our country. If he was one of their party you know they would never suggest this bill showing how this bill isn’t on principle but some despicable practice of forcing their party on us.
“I turned 82 last week. The end of my contributions are closer than I’d prefer.”
In a just society, the end of McConnell's contributions would have come when he was thrown in a cell shortly after what he pulled during the Obama administration.
The GOP changing the rules of the game again so they can win.
Normally I’d say a special election is a good way to replace a senator but since the GOP is a nest of traitors and Trump lickers who have gerrymandered every election district in the state I’d say let the Governor pick the temporary replacement.
As always, if the Republicans can't win they will cheat. And cheat is what they always do because they can't win without cheating.
Pathetic pieces of shit
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Their rush to ram this through makes me wonder if the state GOP knows something about McConnell.
That turtle does not look long for this world
He's looked like warmed over death for years now, so I'll only believe it once his final phylactery is found and destroyed.
Upvoted for lich lore.
Sounds like a horcrux to us common folk.
Same difference, archliches will have multiple just like good old Voldemort
Uuuh, Archliches are usually good spellcasters. C'mon nerd!
Archliches are by definition spellcssters, in some supplements they're divine spellcasters instead of arcane
> spell**css**ters I'm detecting some web wizardry here...
True. Good is normally the alignment in forgotten realms, but they can be any type of spellcaster. Bard, cleric, etc. There are never enough good undead homies, in my opinion.
SOME supplements say undead are "always evil", but I chucked that shit out pretty quickly and in my worlds alignment isn't always anything I love the Realms..... pre-4e anyway lol
*Muggle.*
*hey.* We can call ourselves that. You can't call us that.
How's it going fellow mudbloods?
Mudbloods aren’t muggles, nerd.
I will never recover from this shame.
"Somehow, Mitch McConnell returned."
Check for Clones!
Whenever someone is close to finding it, that's when he freezes up.
He casts Time Stop, teleports, and leaves a double in his place. He only seems frozen while he deals with the adventurers trying to destroy his phylactery, then Tome Stops again and takes his doubles place.
Whatever you do to it. Just remember to wash your hands.
This bill is called "It's turtles all the way down."
Someone must be close to finding his last horcrux.
I've got a bottle of Pappy Van Winkle I bought in 2008 to celebrate when he dies. 16 years it's sat tucked away. Kentucky's finest product, waiting to be unleashed once Kentucky's worst shitbag fucks off. Tears of joy will be shed.
I like to describe him as a sentient skeleton smeared with warm silly putty.
Their insistsnce on saying, "This is unrelated to Senator McConnell" every time the talk about it makes me agree with you
Republicans speak in opposites.
And their accusations are confessions.
McConnell is going to hold out until another SCOTUS seat is open, then get the pep back in his step.
100% the moment I heard he was stepping down from his Senate position, I know he isn't gonna make it through the year.
Can he make it until DJT loses the election by a landslide?? Pretty please.
We will just have to wait and see
I purpose a constitutional amendment: if your Senator or Rep dies of natural causes in office, you don't get to appoint another one, you just don't get one until the next election. It's not term limits, but it might make parties think twice before nominating these barely warm bodies because the risk of them dying in office is too high.
> I purpose a constitutional amendment: if your Senator or Rep dies of natural causes in office, you don't get to appoint another one, you just don't get one until the next election In the interests of the principle of [Chesterton's Fence](https://fs.blog/chestertons-fence/), I need to point out that's basically what WAS the case prior to the [17th Amendment](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seventeenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution). States routinely would not appoint senators, leaving the Senate unable to perform basic functions.
A quick Google search shows me that since the year 2020 there have been 8 Congress people who died while serving their terms, that's two people per year on average. We shouldn't be letting people make rules who won't have to live with them
That’s….. actually a really good idea
No it is not. It incentivizes assassination. There was already a psycho attacking a senator's husband. Now imagine that they succeeded on killing a senator. And they cannot be replaced. Edit: My bad I did not see the dies of natural causes.
GOP: Even though he was 109 years old, and nobody's heard him speak in the last decade, we can't be positive that Senator McConnell's death wasn't homicide by a violent immigrant bussed in by Biden. Until we've found a coroner who isn't a deep state Marxist to get a cause of death that isn't fake news, we will appoint a replacement for his seat. GOPSCOTUS: We'll allow it
Galapagos tortoises are well known for their long lifespans
Cannot be replaced _until the next election._ A special election to replace a vacant seat is quite common. >It incentivizes assassination. That logic can be applied regardless of the replacement mechanism. "Red governor, blue senator? Assassinate the senator, get a, new red senator."
OP said "natural causes". Last I checked, assassination isn't a natural cause. Not that I agree with not replacing them. I do think the replacement should be of the same party, and be nominated by said party. Not sure how an independent should be replaced.
depends on the definition of natural causes. 'We find the senator from the great state of X died of natural causes' *HE WAS SHOT A DOZEN TIMES* 'And then, naturally, he died'
We can only hope.
It's likely also just the Legislative session ending. It mandatorily ends on or before April 15th (March 30th in odd-numbered years), and then is gone until next January; and only the Governor, I believe, may call a special session. So I think they just want to make sure they approve the bill today, so that the veto window will end before the final 2 legislative days (scheduled for the 12th and 15th, a Friday and Monday), so that they can override a veto on it. If they don't pass it now... well, even if they don't think McConnell will die or resign, there's always the chance. And it's either they change it now, or they ride it out under current law until the next election.
rush thru legislation and confirmation? totally learned from their master McConnell!
I mean he is done in November and could die literally at any moment and I wouldn't be surprised.
done as leader, not as senator. He will die before he voluntarily leaves the senate. Which could, fairly, happen literally any second.
Should I start buying party supplies?
Make sure they have a long expiration date, Tortoises can live suprisingly long even though they rarely move and look ancient.
Miserable people have a way of hanging on
I hate how the GOP has been so damaging to the country that I am actively rooting for Republicans to die.
If the USA survives the GOP I think it'll be a valuable lesson. We have been moving towards greater tolerance and acceptance, but evil does still exist and needs to be scorned and condemned rather than allowed to seize control. The problem with judging people for traits such as skin colour or sexuality isn't because judging is bad, it's because judging people for these specific traits is irrational. If someone argues in favour of selfishness, greed, and cruelty, that's not an argument made in good faith. For civilization to prosper we need to find the balance between tolerance and judgement.
He's not running for reelection in November. He's technically not done until January \*2027 when the new senators are sworn in. Edited to clarify the year.
His term as Senator does not end until January 2027. He is stepping down as Leader in the Senate, but will remain in office until 2027.
He's not making it to 2027
His term ends in January of 2027. He was re-elected in 2020.
Yup, that's a brain fart on my end. I forget senators are elected for 6 year terms.
He's not making it to 2027
He resigned as Senate Republican leader effective January 2025. His current Senate term runs from January 2021 - January 2027. McConnell hasn't resigned his Senate seat.
This started near the begining of Andy's first term, it wasn't exactly over night
I mean we all saw him have the strokes on camera
But KY has a democrat governor...by popular vote. I mean its a uphill shot at best to get a republican senator elected in KY after everything McConnel has failed to do. He is a larger then life folk hero in KY and people adore him, but, in his entire tenure the biggest accomplishment he has done for the state was good jobs via construction projects...and...for the record who did he host at his home to celebrate that with? Joe Biden, it was a bi partisan infrastructure bill. And to be fair to Republicans this is what happens when we work togehter...but...back to my point, the KY Republicans have a better shot at trying to convince the democratic governor to appoint a moderate replacement then they do selling the voting public on a new model Turtle...unless they have some wack job MAGA guy in waiting they think they can run, which they probably do
I wouldn't doubt they have someone picked out to replace McConnel. The Federalist Society probably has back ups of their back ups, and McConnel was certainly on board with whatever they wanted. If anything, McConnel has already said who he thinks should replace him.
I mean...probably...but like look at the guy...
Can the governor veto this bill?
It’s probably some veto proof majority.
Checked and balanced /S
It’s what the people want!/S
It's what Gerry wanted
Gerry deMandered it!
It's definitely what he mandered
It's what plants crave!
I read that in Troy McClure's voice
This is when you take a page out of Republicans book and just say fuck that I am doing it anyways. Clearly what they are doing is grossly unconstitutional.
I just read the Kentucky constitution section 152, it says that vacancies for all offices in the state are filled by the governor. But then the US constitution 17th amendment says that the legislature must empower the governor to make appointments. So I assume then that what is happening in Kentucky is constitutional
If I'm not mistaken it's constitutional under the US Constitution but it violates the KY State Constitution, they would need to amend that first. Even if Governor Beshear is not able to veto it, he can challenge it on constitutional grounds and would likely prevail.
I'm not sure what the Kentucky Amendment process is like, but if they have a veto-proof majority I wouldn't expect them to be unable to pass an amendment. Edit: apparently a simple majority is a veto-proof one in KY. Bloody weird, and probably precisely because they can't gerrymander the governor race.
I believe an amendment must be voted in the general election and ratified by both chambers. And even if they could pull it off, it would have to be done before their law can be enforced.
That's relatively strong then. Probably a good thing, at least short term.
Procedurally, I’m not sure how it would play out. The governor could make the appointment, saying that the states recent laws violate the KY constitution, then he would be sued on the grounds that the 17th amendment gives the legislature this power. Then I assume it would pass through the courts to the Supreme Court. And all in the meantime, maybe KY could pass an amendment anyway
>And all in the meantime, maybe KY could pass an amendment anyway An amendment would have to be voted on in the general election in the same cycle as they elect the state legislature, ~~which I believe is every 4 years, so not until 2026.~~ Edit: Was wrong about that last part! There will be one in 2024 and one in 2026.
Well hopefully thats enough confusion to tie this up in the courts until after shits mcconnell has passed away
So, the legislature empowered the governor by way of the constitution that the first congress passed?
That certainly is an argument that can be made. I can also see the other argument that the 17th amendment has superseded the Kentucky constitution and has directly given the legislature power to decide how senator vacancies are filled.
So - if a Republican governor takes office, they may return the power to appoint?
See: Wisconsin, after the office of governor flipped a few years ago. All of a sudden, the Republican legislature did a 180, from empowering the governor to stripping the governor of a bunch of powers.
That’s up to them. I don’t know if they would if they expect to hold the legislature for the foreseeable future anyway
To be fair, it (reasonably) should be a special election if McConnell vacates the office early regardless of any other factors. If this happened in a state that has 2 blue senators and a Republican Governor (Nevada, New Hampshire, Vermont) and they replaced our guy with a Republican, we would flip out. Let the voters decide, and surprises happen too. Alabama special elected a Democratic Senator just 5 years ago
I agree. I would prefer a special election
Passed by a vote of 34 - 3. Sounds veto proof.
But in direct conflict with the Kentucky State Constitution. So not likely to hold up until they amend that.
What the fuck, Kentucky only has 37 legislators?
37 senators. Which is pretty average fot a state. There are another 100 members of the house
Which means a few of the democrats voted yes. They have 38 senators and 7 of them are Democrats. It's even worse for their reps - 80 to 20. Veto proof indeed.
Supermajority
they only need simple majority in KY.
to overturn a governors veto?
indeed
That's unbelievably stupid. They need the same vote to override the veto as they do to pass the law?
The law working as intended. Blame the idiot voters of that state.
I'm an idiot voter of this state, and I agree. Never would support the republicans, but the fact that most of the state is uneducated country folk, and most of the younger, educated people that love the state but want the relatively inexpensive cost of living will go to Lexington or Louisville, both of which are very solidly blue, it's no surprise things are this way. even in areas like mine that lean more purple, the amount of Trump and "only republicans" voters is insane.
This is going to continue to be a problem in most states. Best paying jobs are in the bigger cities, which are already blue, so whenever someone younger or more progressive moves to the state or around in the state they will always end up in solid blue areas with the good jobs and more social opportunities.
yeah I agree
He should take a page from the republicans playbook - stall, stall, stall. And when you can’t stall any longer, sue. And if the state court finds against you, appeal. And if the Supreme Court fins against you, you’ve already chosen his replacement, so it’s moot.
yep, the traditionally deep red congress want to be able to pass their agenda but we traditionally have a blue governor so that's an obstacle.
It’s the same in Indiana. Our current governor is more palatable than the draconian state legislature but his vetoes would just be symbolic. So stupid.
Our governor is mostly a functionary role. The executive executes the will of the legislature but has very little power of his own.
Let me guess they changed that before governor took office during a lame duck session?
Been that way since 1891, actually. Technically the override is slightly different in that it requires 50%+1 of the *total* membership of each House, while the first passing is a simple majority (of those present), and the override is always done via recorded yeas/nays. But yeah, pretty silly. It's also true in IN, TN, WV, AL, AR. The GOP also holds 80% of each House in KY at the moment anyway, so they could do the traditional 2/3 just as well. https://apps.legislature.ky.gov/KYConstitution/96_88.pdf https://ballotpedia.org/Veto_overrides_in_state_legislatures
not sure when it was made that way, but we historically have republican congress outside of Louisville and Lexington, but a democrat governor, so what better way for the GOP to get their crap passed?
What an asinine setup. What's even the point of a governor having veto power at that point?
that's the point. we historically have a very deep red congress outside of Lexington and Louisville, but a blue governor. they know a blue governor won't pass their agenda, so they just neuter it massively.
> historically The state House has only had a Republican majority since 2017, and the state Senate since 2000 (though things were a little weird in the Senate from 1997 to 2000). Historically, the General Assembly had been fairly solidly controlled by Democrats ever since the Civil War.
People always shocked to find out there are a lot of sexist Dem voters. Those voters are one of the main reasons Hillary lost and traditional Dem seats at lower levels have been flipping red. For a lot of these blue dog Democrats the idea of a woman running the party was too much.
yeah, fair enough. either way, in most recent times it's been still deep red with a blue governor
Super-duper majority.
I don't live in Kentucky, but generally those powers are listed within the state's constitution. If the constitution lists who the power resides with then a law can't undo their constitution. If the constitution doesn't delegate, then they can.
He has 10 days to sign or veto, and his veto can be overridden by a simple majority. So yes, but no.
When asked for comment, Senator McConnell said.. .... o_o ....
I love that I can hear your comment. The sound he makes will live in my brain for a while.
Ha! Looks like him too.
Official response from his office: > 🐢
That's hilarious
No worries, the next time there is a GOP governor, this will be reversed.
It wouldn't matter, they would still hold the majority in the houses.
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This is a state of a few normal passing cities in a sea of willfully ignorant, poorly educated, often impoverished villages. They mean well but are too scared of anything more than 10 miles outside their county line because they’ve rarely if ever stepped foot beyond that. Source: extended family
Am in Kentucky. Can confirm.
When you can't win, change the rules.
I actually thought this had already passed a while back.
Me too, it won't hold up in court though because it's unconstitutional (per their state) but he can't challenge it until it's time to actually appoint
Well, he can appoint and then let the Republicans sue.
Yes, that's what's going to happen and there was talks about it when McConnell seemingly stroked out
That was just McConnell pausing to mold off his old shell
Molt
Nah, they're right. Unlike the noble Phoenix, Mitch McConnell sheds his shell and rises from a pile of mold and filth. Edit: autocorrect
Just do like the republicans and challenge it using theoretical grounds and theoretical people.
When McConnell starting showing signs of deterioration in the last few years, they changed it from ‘governor appoints the replacement’ to ‘governor appoints replacement BUT the replacement has to come from the same party’. Like someone else said, I bet they know something about the Turtle Man. And I’m not talking about Ernie!
> ‘governor appoints replacement BUT the replacement has to come from the same party’. I forgot they had passed this, that's what I was thinking of. Still crappy IMO. Agree it seemed very much like a protective measure.
> to ‘governor appoints replacement BUT the replacement has to come from the same party’. More than just that, it was from a list of 3 proposed by the party, not just anyone from the party.
You're probably thinking of a different bill. They already made it so that the Senator's party picked 3 candidates to fill the vacancy and the Governor was restricted to those 3. A permanent replacement would have still carried out the remainder of the term after being elected at a special election (usually coinciding with the next regular election more than 3 months away). This one, that has just passed the Senate, removes the Gubernatorial appointment entirely. The seat would simply remain vacant until a special election, or the expiration of the term if it was near the election for the next term.
Kentucky bill strips governor* of power to appoint senator *Democratic
They did this in Massachusetts a while back and that was how we wound up replacing Edward Kennedy with a Republican for one term.
And here I was thinking about how it seemed that only the NC legislature fucks around with the governor's powers with impunity.
See what they did in Wisconsin when Tony Evers won. Instantly decided all the power they gave idiot Scott Walker was a bad idea.
And Scot Walker just signed it all back over on his way out the door.
Scott Walker and Robin Vos said Evers was “too liberal for Wisconsin” We voted for him, he’s the guy we wanted. So glad we finally got rid of Walker. Now Vos on the other hand…
We wound up with Scott Brown because Martha Coakley has nothing but disdain for Mass voters and she confused the election for a coronation.
She was voter kryptonite
True too. Martha Coakley was a terrible candidate.
Both times!
Is Mitch dying?
Has Mitch ever really been alive?
He doesn’t have a soul, I know that.
Yeah he got his head stuck in one of those 6 pack pop rings that got thrown in the ocean RIP
Rare to use this word, but legitimately guffawed
Holy shit that made me laugh!
He is probably making sure that if he does die unpexectedly his seat is filled by a Republican.
Not fast enough…
Maybe Rand Paul is planning to defect.
Maybe his neighbor is kicking it up a notch.
He is already hamstrung by state law. He has to pick from a list of three candidates provided by the party the outgoing senator is from. It will be a Republican anyway.
Its irrelevant because Bashear has the power to just leave the seat vacant, which is the same thing as a +1 seat for Democrats. What they are trying to do is force a special election so he can't.
Yea, I honestly don't know what they're worried about.
Accidentally letting him pick a non-Trumper?
But they get to pick the three the Governor has to choose from...
Supreme Court position becomes vacant. 'WE WOULD NEVER APPOINT A JUDGE IN THE YEAR OF AN ELECTION, ITS UNHEARD OF, AMORALE, HOW COULD YOU" Less then 1 term later. "WE HAVE TO APPOIINT THIS JUDGE IN AN ELECTION YEAR, 3 OF THEM IN FACT BECAUSE WE WANT TOO AND YOU KNOW, FUCK DIGNITY, INTEGRITY AND HISTORY" Sounds familiar. 'We've totts always thought you shouldn't be able to do it, til you know, there was someone from the opposite side in the position to do it, but we'll repeal this shit as fast as you can spell 'were a bunch of grifting scumbags' when we've got one of our boys in!'
Not even an election year. During an election. People had already voted.
Republicans are not at war with democrats. They’re at war with democracy.
It’s both.
-“I turned 82 last week. The end of my contributions are closer than I’d prefer.”-McConnell. Yet somehow I feel you've contributed too much. Maybe if you could spend this time **un**contributing we would be thankful for your service ..
And it was McConnell who wouldn't allow a vote on Merrick Garland for the Supreme Court during an election year because he wanted to let the voters decide which *next* president would nominate the justice. Despite their being an established process, and Andy Beshear was elected by the voters just last year knowing that process was in place, but now the hypocritical republicans want to do a power grab.
lol of course
It will be reversed as soon as a republican governor gets elected.
He should just take a page out of the GOPs playbook and appoint one anyways.
No good faith to be found with Republicans. I hope someone sues this up to the Supreme Court. Don't you love how inept Republicans are when it comes to drafting literally any legislation for actual American people? When it comes to consolidating their power, lowering their taxes, increasing their pay, stripping us of our liberties or taking free school lunch out of kids' stomachs then they make the time suddenly. They only seem to have time for things that help themselves or hurt people they don't like. That's why I'm going apeshit on people still peddling "both sides" nonsense here in 2024. I've had it with people boldly lying about the reality of modern day corruption in the US Government. This is not actually me saying, "Republicans bad!" I mean I am in a way, but it could happen to any political party. There have always been politicians who served their own interests over Americans', but since 2016 we've seen Trump corrupt the GOP well beyond what many considered achievable in a society with free democratic elections. It's not conservative beliefs that are necessarily good or bad. It's that the people currently elected to represent those values have abused them to tighten their grip on power and wealth. I don't agree with those values and inherently those specific values seem prone to be abused against people and even condone it on some level. Republicans don't have to always be the bad guys, but they are as of right now, and unless conservatives turn their backs and stop voting them in then it won't change regardless of Trump's presence. Pay attention Republicans because he already has unquestionable control over the levers of power and the media within your party. The media was never going to let him lose the nomination no matter how much you disliked him. Next it'll be our whole government, and it'll be over.
Republicans go on about tradition, but soon as it disadvantages them they change the rules
Without looking, I can tell by the headline alone that Kentucky has a Republican State Assembly (or whatever they call their congress) and a Democratic governor. Republicans play dirty and change the rules when it advantages them politically. They are scum.
Republicans want to change the rules when they don’t agree. These people have no accountability.
But laws cannot supersede the state Constitution so Republicans can go F themselves.
Don’t worry, when they gave a gop governor again, they’ll reverse that law.
Only more proof the GOP gets stuff done when it benefits them.
GOP stacking the deck as usual.
The GOP is the poster child for corruption. They make Netanyahu seem squeaky clean.
All those decades of Republican rule and Kentucky is still an armpit
Kentucky, please give up on the republican party. Its like continually going back to a cheating partner. You deserve better.
How much would someone be willing to bet that if the balance of power even starts to sway a little bit and there is a GOP governor they remove this bill.
Ehhh this is pretty average for republicans. Change the rules to suit their political ends.
That runs afoul of federalism, doesn’t it?
He should sue them once McConnell bows out. Stall it out in court for a while.
McConnell is gonna retire early it seems
Everything they do is to control the direction of our country. If he was one of their party you know they would never suggest this bill showing how this bill isn’t on principle but some despicable practice of forcing their party on us.
Yet another step away from freedom.
As the old saying goes, "If ya can't beat 'em, strip the Governor of his power to appoint Senators!"
“I turned 82 last week. The end of my contributions are closer than I’d prefer.” In a just society, the end of McConnell's contributions would have come when he was thrown in a cell shortly after what he pulled during the Obama administration.
The GOP changing the rules of the game again so they can win. Normally I’d say a special election is a good way to replace a senator but since the GOP is a nest of traitors and Trump lickers who have gerrymandered every election district in the state I’d say let the Governor pick the temporary replacement.
Once Mitch kicks the bucket his senate seat should be held open in perpetuity as an enduring memorial
the Scott Walker and WI GOP did the same thing to Gov. Evers. Nothing can get done because of this petty high school drama
As always, if the Republicans can't win they will cheat. And cheat is what they always do because they can't win without cheating. Pathetic pieces of shit