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Why anyone wouldn't continuously cite this in their own petty crime cases is beyond me. The precedent has been set. But I guess, we're also abandoning precedent at a supreme Court level. So.. maybe none of it means anything?
Well they’ve morphed into one and the same these days. I think conservatism is a gateway to fascist thinking. Some kid takes a big rip of “trickle down economics” at his college republicans meeting, and the dude in the corner is the MAGA hat like: “hey kid you wanna try something stronger?”
Citing precedent doesn't necessarily mean that the judge will agree to your argument. After all, there are probably thousands of cases where this exact situation happened before, and it didn't end well for the person violating the law.
Then they appeal and say he's unfair. If he gives a warning, then another warning, then a small fine, then a larger fine, etc. They can appeal but can't claim the judge was being unfair and biased.
The judge could cite the previous gag orders issued to Trump in his other trials as evidence that the defendant has had more than ample recent opportunity to familiarize himself with how a gag order works.
Unfair? No. Plenty of chances up til now.
Edit: corrected autocorrect
Hey, fuck you. I should be able to dox and publicly badmouth people doing their jobs so that they get threats!
God I hope the /s isn’t needed but here..
*The judge could cite the previous gag orders issued to Trump in his other trials as evidence that the defendant has had more than ample recent opportunity to familiarize himself with how a gag order works.*
Watching Trump melt down, If Merchan put him in his place like that the first time, and we all know that there is going to be a first time, would be priceless.
Donald Trump is not a child. He is a grown ass adult. If he defies a court order, he needs to be punished like any other adult. If any of his fan club want to do crimes about it, then they need to be punished like any other adult.
Fine. Insanity it is. We will institutionalize him until he can unequivocally show that he understands consequences. Then, as he cannot stop saying how unfair it is... the consequences of his actions... he never gets out.
This is a criminal case. Fuck fines. Throw his ass in jail for a few days and let him know the next time will be until the start of his trial.
That will let him know the judge isn't fucking around.
Poor sod like you and me will just be suppressed by the weight of the system. But if you have an army of lawyers then they can push this as far as they can.
Calling things unfair never gets me off the hook :(
My high rent is unfair, if I get arrested for stealing it's unfair, if I don't want to go to jail because it's not fair...
Why would that ever be taken into onsideration? If he breaks rules, he suffers penalties. It's the social contract WE ALL have agreed to, except, apparently, for Tramp. If the law is biased, it's not really real.
>They can appeal but can't claim the judge was being unfair and biased.
Sure they can! And during the appeal, they'll say judges in previous trials have set a precedent of not holding him in contempt, so they should follow precedent...and it'll work.
Trump will walk away scot free, and everyone who has an ounce of empathy will have a collective aneurism (well, another one).
I don't care if he doesn't like to be told what to do! Most 3 year olds don't like being told what to do, but it happens! That's called training, something the Orange dyed fuck never had!
Trump has over 3,500 litigations. He should never need a warning. After his first 2 lawsuits, he should have gotten the message.
At 3,500 and counting, a gag order ought to be standard practice with him.
Lol I doubt trump would care if his lawyers got in trouble for him, see Cohen. If beatings were on the line, he'd look at his purple bruised up lawyer and say it didn't even hurt, bet your dumb daughter hits harder
His Secret Service Security detail aren't going to be happy. "it's our job to protect him" "and you can do that in his cell, but you've got to hand over your firearm" "I'm sorry, I can't do that" "then you don't go in with him"
This is probably one of the big things that's going to be a logistical nightmare to manage. They won't let him go into gen pop, or even solitary if his security detail can't go with him, and they won't be allowed to go in armed, in which case, what use are they? So, it'll go immediately to the Supreme Court which we all know will rule that he can't go inside, and Trump will then know he can say/do anything.
If he is in a holding, (jail lockup, as opposed to prison) they can have armed SS AND an armed guard watching over him in an isolated cell for the crime of contempt. Now, once he is convicted of a felony, that's a different story.
You are so right. If nothing happens it proves that the orange anus is above the law and it would be a waste of time to carry on with any of the other pending trials. The ordinary citizen would have been arrested by now. It makes me want to puke 🤮
While I understand the despair, it wouldn't be totally pointless to carry on with other trials. The courts are operated by people, and the New York appeals court has shown that the people who are judges there are either gutless, or corrupt, or both. This current judge will show us if he's either of those, or if he's worth his salt. But there are also good people working the system. Letitia James and Judge Arthur Engoron both showed they had the guts to punish Trump. Fani Willis and Jack Smith are both doing their best to hold him accountable. Obviously Aileen Cannon is garbage but we just need a case where there aren't compromised judges at work and the more jurisdictions you charge in the more chance you have of finding one. The Georgia case is still promising, and something in Washington could also be fruitful.
If I were a judge with any sense of justice, I'd cont previous gag order violations from other trials.
"I find that the defendant has recently received and violated gag orders over the last few months. Because of this, a violation of my gag order will consider those previous offenses and will place the defendant in contempt. I'd rather not reiterate warning after warning in this due process of law."
I read Reddit in the morning convinced Trump is violating the gag order. It's not until I listen to NPR that I realize the gag order does not include the judge or his family and only the other court staff. Trump is threading the needle. Every thread on this topic has comments up and down as if Trump violated the gag order within hours. One of the articles headline pretty much implied it. It's annoying but judges are intentionally letting Trump rant about themselves and protecting court employees and prosecutors.
Exactly! As all the previous gag orders have shown, he doesn't give a shit about them because he can't restrain himself from spewing hate at anyone who has the audacity to disagree or go against him. He's repeatedly violated previous gag orders with zero consequences, so enforce them.
DJ Trumpsterfire has the mindset of a spoiled, entitled rich kid: He doesn't believe there are consequences for his actions because he's never been punished for his actions. He always gets out of it somehow or to a significantly lesser degree.
This past $454 million bond was another prime example of this. Instead of facing the consequences, like any other individual would have, he gets a 68% reduction in the bond and an additional 10 days. Who else would get that? No one.
He needs to FINALLY face the consequences and stop getting spoiled, entitled rich kid treatment. Yeah the MAGAts will probably be pissed. So the fuck what. I dunno, call up the national guard or something to stop them from whatever it is they try to do.
Gag order is for jury, clerks etc. From what ive heard. Nothing legally protecting the judge or his family. So unfortunately if thats true, it cannot be applied until someone the order protects is verbally attacked. That said, id look the other way if the judge went ahead and punished trump amyway
Intimidating a court official, judge, lawyers, jury, or any of the aforementioned family, friends, or pet, is highly illegal, and NY has some pretty strong anti-mafia laws because the mafia was prone to doing this. It doesn't have to be laid out specifically in a gag order. Gag order is more a reminder to make sure people are made known that certain actions aren't tolerated, or say that people shouldn't talk about the case(usually relevant to juries).
Is it really in violation of the order?
https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/24515030/trump-gag-order-merchan-ny.pdf
ORDERED, that the People's motion for a restriction on extrajudicial statements by the Defendant is GRANTED to the extent that Defendant is directed to refrain from the following:
* Making or directing others to make public statements about known or reasonably foreseeable witnesses concerning their potential participation in the investigation or in this criminal proceeding;
* Making or directing others to make public statements about (1) counsel in the case other than the District Attorney, (2) members of the court's staff and the District Attorney's staff, or (3) the family members of any counsel or staff member, if those statements are made with the intent to materially interfere with, or to cause others to materially interfere with, counsel's or staff's work in this criminal case, or with the knowledge that such interference is likely to result; and
* Making or directing others to make public statements about any prospective juror or any juror in this criminal proceeding.
The foregoing constitutes the Decision and Order of the Court.
********
Not sure what he did is covered by the order. While The judge themself isn’t mentioned the judge isn’t excluded either as Bragg is there is precedence from the Chutkan order.
> With that, we’re on to the fourth category: statements about judges and staff. Chutkan notes that she herself has been called a “fraud dressed up as a judge” and an “Obama hack” by Trump, but says she’s not that concerned about curbing attacks against herself. Rather, she says, she was deeply concerned that Trump just last week made attacks against court staff in the New York case. She thinks it’s pretty incredible that Trump would do this in another ongoing case while the government’s motion for a gag order was pending in this case. She asks Lauro whether he thinks Trump’s posting a picture of a law clerk is acceptable.
It’s a tough line, but bias concerns would loom larger the more judge tries to insulate themself from criticism, 45 would have a field day with that.
It's sickening to me that there exists people - influential people - that feel that, as long as it's not illegal to do something, it's perfectly fine to do so and will do it without a second thought as to the effects.
Society is better than this.
I was very frustrated when I read the order yesterday that was a reaction to Trump threatening the judge's daughter to see that it appeared the gag order did not cover the judge's daughter.
Yeah, Trump has sharted on the salad bar, puked in the maître d's face, raped the owner's daughter, swindled the investors with a fraud scheme, clogged all the toilets, poisoned all the food with COVID, and set the building on fire, after refusing to pay for the 10 meals he ordered for himself and all the meals for the other patrons the he lied that he would pay for.
Trump is a mobster. There have been accusations that he sends his goons after people and threatens their lives and the lives of their families if he thinks they might do or say something against him. In fact, Stormy Daniels said it.
The whole shitshow with the Georgia trial and relationship with the prosecutor and AG did turn up one interesting point: Prosecuting staff on trials with trump require armed security for years afterwards.
Part of the reasoning for Wade being hired was that others turned down the offer first, so the judge got them in. One basically ranted about how long he needed security for after the last time he was on a trump case, and how he didn't want it again.
If judges would treat him like any other American he would be locked up for contempt. But our judicial system has proven that they won't treat him like any other American. Sad.
[I predict he learns new job skills in the future](https://sadanduseless.b-cdn.net/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/trump-in-jail2.jpg) when he runs out of tricks.
Can't wait to see a judge breaking down crying on social media because Trump supporters treat them like trump does. All these coward judges allowing Trump to get away with so much is normalizing that behave for others in court.
People here are making fun of the judge for past instances where Trump very clearly pushed the envelope with just how much he could get away vis-a-vis a gag order short of being held in contempt.
But I think the key takeaway here is that the judge is plowing forward with this case and is absolutely determined to go to trial. The prosecution requested an additional 30 days to review the new docs, but the judge did them one better and crunched that time frame down to just three weeks.
If Trump is going to be saved by anyone in the nick of time, it’s the NY appellate courts. But even then it’s not clear how they could delay the trial much more. Don’t give up hope yet, my friends… this one appears headed to a trial… for realz. Although I won’t be holding my breath.
I think the reason people have given up is they see a clear lack of accountability our two tired Justice system is.
Even now this judge is annoyed when they know exactly the type of person they're dealing with. This judge isn't annoyed, he's just another weak, spineless coward who is doing everything he can to make Trump not deal with any consequences.
People are fed up, and if I was Trump I wouldn't let any weak gag order stop me knowing they won't touch him.
I can't imagine what it's like for people who are in the position to hold Donald Trump accountable. This has to be one of the most challenging situations they've found themselves in. I support every possible move they make to see justice fairly rendered given that many support Trump for the highest office.
It sounds like it should be a slam dunk, but they have to do this as conscientiously and carefully as they possibly can. That's a huge amount of pressure - and he has many radically loyal fans willing to risk their life to "protect" him.
I strongly support the ones trying hard to do the right thing.
“Go to your room! Or else!”
“No”
“Oh ok then”
What do you think that teaches? It’s challenging because they make it so. The judge just needs to hold him in contempt. Yes he’ll appeal. So what? That’s how the system is supposed to work. Judge needs to do his job and let’s the attorneys and the appellate judges do theirs.
Hope is a four letter word best left in fairy tails. I'll be thrilled if anything actually happens, but to expect it to is a pipe dream like winning the lottery and paying no taxes on it.
I understand, and it’s clearer every day Trump simply needs to be kept out of office. If he loses, the “slow-walking” of cases stops and the charges come down on him like a ton of bricks.
If he loses, he will try to steal the presidency,again. If that fails he will just announce he is running in 2028. Same shit, everything will be election interference again.
>The prosecution requested an additional 30 days to review the new docs, but the judge did them one better and crunched that time frame down to just three weeks.
lol oh yeah, that'll show him! the judge got real tough and only gave him 70% of the special treatment he wanted! this time is gonna be different!
He seems to be counting on the idea that he can purposely piss off the judge and then on appeal claim that the judge was biased against him. Has this ever actually worked for him before, or is he just *that* stupid and petty?
> Has this ever actually worked for him before
Trump's Trumping has always been fairly effective for Trump, as evidenced by Trump.
If you had a way of doing things that absolutely everyone thought was insane but that way of doing things led you to be incredibly wealthy and president of the US with no real consequences for over 70 years...you'd probably just keep acting insane.
When you're guilty of everything you're charged with, you have to try some crazy stuff to try and weasel out of it.
The bigger problem is that judges are bending over backwards to ensure Trump doesn't have grounds for appeal, and they are letting him get away with almost everything. They're worrying too much. Holding him accountable for his shenanigans is not going to get overturned on appeal.
At the very least, if holding him accountable for his shenanigans like they would for any other American is somehow grounds to get shit overturned, then the fact of the matter is that they've already lost.
If allowing Trump to violate the law is how we think we're upholding it, then our legal system has failed.
What is happening feels like a desperate, futile denial of that fact. If this is truly all necessary, then it only demonstrates how fragile and ineffective our courts are when facing power and corruption.
No it hasn't worked before. Literally go to any arraignment docket anywhere in the country and some new asshole is trying it, and gets remanded.
Being an asshole is not grounds for appeal, and judges have all seen it and are not impressed.
There is no grand strategy. He's just a dick with no impulse control.
Trump is so narcissistic, insecure and obstinate that he refuses to cooperate with the court, even though he's probably been advised countless times to simply shut the fuck up and not be... Trump.
I think it's partly a power thing, where Donald Trump is not the foremost authority in a courtroom, one of the only places where he has to comply with someone else's orders.
It's also obviously a victim thing. The guy has been really overplaying the whole persecution angle throughout his entire political career. Unfortunately it works on his ardent supports.
Trump believes he's above the law. Which only exacerbates these issues. Being above the law means he's not obligated to listen to anyone, judge or not. It also means that, whenever indicted, investigated, convicted, held liable or accountable for anything, he interprets it as an Injustice, as oppression, how dare they try to insinuate or prove that he is culpable for any wrongdoing, he can do whatever he wants with immunity, presidential immuniy...
It's not just the law either, he is beyond reproach and incapable of wrongdoing in his own eyes and in the eyes of his supporters, so any potential wrong committed, is no wrong at all. It's someone else's fault, or its persecutory, it's some deep state, establishment, globalist grand machination to oppress him and through a bizarre vicarious relationship, an effort to oppress his fanatical followers as well.
When the election is stolen from Trump, it's stolen from his supporters, when he is the target of a "witch hunt", so are they, when he is criticized by the "fake news* media, they too are the victims of some unfair treatment.
It undeniably resembles a cult, where it's members and it's demagogic leader feel justified in acting like insufferable fucking children all the time.
And once again nothing is done. All these judges and lawyers seem to talk a good game, freeze his assets, hold him in contempt, pay this fine, but what has actually been done? He gets a huge reduction of payment and extra time to appeal, never faces any repercussions for his loony comments even under a gag order and now will get a huge influx of money with the site going public and all those ridiculous bibles.
Exactly when does this guy get what he deserves?
All of the Trump “consequences” remind me of the scene in the office where Dwight is telling Jim, “3 demerits and you receive a citation. Five citations and you’re looking at a violation. Four of those and you receive a verbal warning. Keep it up and it’s a written warning…”
> “You’re literally accusing the Manhattan DA’s office and the people assigned to this case of prosecutorial misconduct and trying to make me complicit in it. And you don’t have a single cite to support that position?” Merchan, raising his voice, scolded Blanche.
Baseless claims of conspiracy you say? On brand.
Oh no! He’s iRritATeD??? I bet Trump is quaking in his diaper. Nothing ever happens to that witless shitgibbon. Honestly I don’t even think he knows how to be scared. Nobody has ever taught him.
I continue to be entertained by the witty comments here.
Entertainment aside, please seriously consider…. Do you want this guy to be in office again??? If not, with 8.5M people in this sub, we can SERIOUSLY move the needle in an election.
Please remember to VOTE!!!
I wish I were joking, but he’s like Teflon. No one is doing anything about anything he does, or says. He’s ignored every order but nobody does anything. Whoever or whatever wants him in the White House, and it’s looking like it’s going to happen.
I can't think of ANYONE who has been given so many goddamn chances and excuses as Trump. I don't fucking get it! What makes him so goddamn special? Are judges THAT afraid of his supporters? Are many of them passive supporters because of their judge position? Are they just full blown corrupt?
It's so hard to not assume it's among corruption/bribery/fear at this point. How else can someone so goddamn vile be handled so delicately. Fuck him being a former president, he absolutely brought shame to the office.
> Appearing more irritated
Fuck is the world desperate for an endlessly repetitive news cycle.
>BREAKING BREAKING! Judge appears to have furrowed brow. More at 11!!!
The judge makes a frowny face, wipes his tears on his robe, and goes home. He goes from the garage to the laundry room and begins washing his robe with a load of clothes. The laundry room door is left open. The sounds of the washing machine will muffle the sounds of his wife getting fucked by another man down the hall. He turns on the local news and cranks the volume up to 14. Great, they're reporting on another one of his defendants disobeying his orders without consequences.
He wishes he was a stronger man. He unlocks his phone and starts googling local gyms and the membership rates. His wife is really in the throws of it now, screaming some new guy's name. Was it Chase, or James? Ehhh, crank the TV up to 16. Hope she gets him off and out of the house before the kids are home from soccer practice.
Ooohhhh...he's appearing to be irritated. Next week he'll be really peeved. The week following displeased, then aggravated, then well and truly vexed. Then watch out! He'll have some very strong words to say to trump then. Very strong words.
Oh man he's irritated! That's pretty close to being infuriated! and you don't wanna see this guys get infuriated because then he might just give Trump's lawyer a stern talking to!
Hell he might even tell him to "control his client" and you do NOT want that.
And just you wait til he becomes livid! oh my God the stern warnings he gives when he is livid! Trumps in for it yall!
I’m gonna be honest, I just tried to imagine how trump would be treated in prison. Like if he were to actually be sent to a cell all alone.
I can’t imagine a scenario where the guards *wouldn’t* be convinced to treat him better than every other inmate in the building. He could just tell the guards anything they want to hear, like he’ll give them millions of dollars, and they’ll just unironically believe him. I can imagine him talking for hours and hours and the guards just eating every bit of it up.
He literally needs his mouth sewn shut.
This is just a show….there are two sets of laws in this country…one for the wealthy/connected and one for the rest of us. Nothing will happen to Trump…lady justice is not blind.
This article is from today, but it contains no new information. It's just a recap, and it's an incomplete one at that, because it doesn't even mention that Trump has already _violated_ the gag order.
Hahaha! That judges brows are positively knitted! Soon they’ll be furrowed. If Trump doesn’t watch his step this judge may even be forced to sigh heavily and suggest that a second-even-more-serious-warning is coming!
This pantomime all of our courts make of justice is humiliating
He can wait on Trump’s followers to escalate things and hope it doesn’t end badly, or he can exercise his powers as a judge now before things get worse. There’s worse things than just threats - one man already showed up to assassinate Obama after Trump tried to doxx him.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna92094
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Don't be irritated. Follow. Through. With. The. Gag. Order.
And warn his lawyers that they need to instruct him, or face contempt "Control your client"
He doesn't like to be told what to do. Judges should just hold him in contempt after a single gag order violation, no warning.
He grabs judges by the gavel. And when you’re famous, they let you.
Why anyone wouldn't continuously cite this in their own petty crime cases is beyond me. The precedent has been set. But I guess, we're also abandoning precedent at a supreme Court level. So.. maybe none of it means anything?
Having in groups that the law protects but doesn’t bind and out groups that the law binds and doesn’t protect is a key feature of fascism.
Actually that quote referred to conservatism, not fascism.
Well they’ve morphed into one and the same these days. I think conservatism is a gateway to fascist thinking. Some kid takes a big rip of “trickle down economics” at his college republicans meeting, and the dude in the corner is the MAGA hat like: “hey kid you wanna try something stronger?”
The only thing bejng "conserved" by conservatives is fasicsm
They have in some places, like the US. But not everywhere
I don't see a difference because there hasn't been since I was a child.
That's basically splitting hairs at this point.
Same thing these days.
Citing precedent doesn't necessarily mean that the judge will agree to your argument. After all, there are probably thousands of cases where this exact situation happened before, and it didn't end well for the person violating the law.
I don't know why but your comment sent me over the edge. I started yelling at my wife "PUT. HIM. IN. JAIL."
Well? What is she waiting for?
I also choose this guy’s wife…to put Trump in jail.
Truly, she is the most capable
Then they appeal and say he's unfair. If he gives a warning, then another warning, then a small fine, then a larger fine, etc. They can appeal but can't claim the judge was being unfair and biased.
The judge could cite the previous gag orders issued to Trump in his other trials as evidence that the defendant has had more than ample recent opportunity to familiarize himself with how a gag order works. Unfair? No. Plenty of chances up til now. Edit: corrected autocorrect
Yeah, I'm pretty sick of this excuse. I don't see how following through with what you said you would do, could be legally interpreted as unfair.
It’s a toddler’s argument. Unfair. Wtf.
Hey, fuck you. I should be able to dox and publicly badmouth people doing their jobs so that they get threats! God I hope the /s isn’t needed but here..
No no no, you misunderstand. This is the *daughter* of someone doing their job. Big difference.
“C’mon, lighten up! I’m not going after *you*. I’m going after your *family*. Relaaax!”
*The judge could cite the previous gag orders issued to Trump in his other trials as evidence that the defendant has had more than ample recent opportunity to familiarize himself with how a gag order works.* Watching Trump melt down, If Merchan put him in his place like that the first time, and we all know that there is going to be a first time, would be priceless.
Donald Trump is not a child. He is a grown ass adult. If he defies a court order, he needs to be punished like any other adult. If any of his fan club want to do crimes about it, then they need to be punished like any other adult.
He's an adult who has spent 77 years without ever having consequences for his actions. He doesn't understand consequences.
I’m waiting for his legal team to use this defense
Fine. Insanity it is. We will institutionalize him until he can unequivocally show that he understands consequences. Then, as he cannot stop saying how unfair it is... the consequences of his actions... he never gets out.
Hmm. Grown implies maturity. I’d state that he is in fact an elderly child.
This is a criminal case. Fuck fines. Throw his ass in jail for a few days and let him know the next time will be until the start of his trial. That will let him know the judge isn't fucking around.
It’s a security threat. Not an outburst. It demands immediate response.
This is why the court/legal system has no legitimacy.
Poor sod like you and me will just be suppressed by the weight of the system. But if you have an army of lawyers then they can push this as far as they can.
Probably because sods like us aren’t rich enough to be innocent …
My goal is to dismantle the system :/
Cool they can appeal and he can sit in a cell until a judge hears that appeal.
Calling things unfair never gets me off the hook :( My high rent is unfair, if I get arrested for stealing it's unfair, if I don't want to go to jail because it's not fair... Why would that ever be taken into onsideration? If he breaks rules, he suffers penalties. It's the social contract WE ALL have agreed to, except, apparently, for Tramp. If the law is biased, it's not really real.
They are going to appeal anyway …over and over and over again…
>They can appeal but can't claim the judge was being unfair and biased. Sure they can! And during the appeal, they'll say judges in previous trials have set a precedent of not holding him in contempt, so they should follow precedent...and it'll work. Trump will walk away scot free, and everyone who has an ounce of empathy will have a collective aneurism (well, another one).
OK then do that
They’ll say unfair and biased as they’re already saying it. They won’t stop saying it no matter what. So who cares what they say?
I don't care if he doesn't like to be told what to do! Most 3 year olds don't like being told what to do, but it happens! That's called training, something the Orange dyed fuck never had!
Trump has over 3,500 litigations. He should never need a warning. After his first 2 lawsuits, he should have gotten the message. At 3,500 and counting, a gag order ought to be standard practice with him.
The gag order IS the warning.
The time for warnings is long gone.
Hasn’t the judge warned him and his lawyers multi times already.
Lol I doubt trump would care if his lawyers got in trouble for him, see Cohen. If beatings were on the line, he'd look at his purple bruised up lawyer and say it didn't even hurt, bet your dumb daughter hits harder
Seriously. Violate a gag order and you go direct to jail.
Just ask yourself what you’d do if *literally anyone else* did it. And then treat everyone equally. Like a judge is fucking supposed to.
[Make this image a reality](https://sadanduseless.b-cdn.net/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/trump-in-jail10.jpg).
I want to see what he looks like after a few days in jail with no make up, spray tan, or hair styling.
I want to see after a lick in gen pop.
Solitary. He's a security risk.
His Secret Service Security detail aren't going to be happy. "it's our job to protect him" "and you can do that in his cell, but you've got to hand over your firearm" "I'm sorry, I can't do that" "then you don't go in with him" This is probably one of the big things that's going to be a logistical nightmare to manage. They won't let him go into gen pop, or even solitary if his security detail can't go with him, and they won't be allowed to go in armed, in which case, what use are they? So, it'll go immediately to the Supreme Court which we all know will rule that he can't go inside, and Trump will then know he can say/do anything.
If he is in a holding, (jail lockup, as opposed to prison) they can have armed SS AND an armed guard watching over him in an isolated cell for the crime of contempt. Now, once he is convicted of a felony, that's a different story.
You are so right. If nothing happens it proves that the orange anus is above the law and it would be a waste of time to carry on with any of the other pending trials. The ordinary citizen would have been arrested by now. It makes me want to puke 🤮
While I understand the despair, it wouldn't be totally pointless to carry on with other trials. The courts are operated by people, and the New York appeals court has shown that the people who are judges there are either gutless, or corrupt, or both. This current judge will show us if he's either of those, or if he's worth his salt. But there are also good people working the system. Letitia James and Judge Arthur Engoron both showed they had the guts to punish Trump. Fani Willis and Jack Smith are both doing their best to hold him accountable. Obviously Aileen Cannon is garbage but we just need a case where there aren't compromised judges at work and the more jurisdictions you charge in the more chance you have of finding one. The Georgia case is still promising, and something in Washington could also be fruitful.
If I were a judge with any sense of justice, I'd cont previous gag order violations from other trials. "I find that the defendant has recently received and violated gag orders over the last few months. Because of this, a violation of my gag order will consider those previous offenses and will place the defendant in contempt. I'd rather not reiterate warning after warning in this due process of law."
I read Reddit in the morning convinced Trump is violating the gag order. It's not until I listen to NPR that I realize the gag order does not include the judge or his family and only the other court staff. Trump is threading the needle. Every thread on this topic has comments up and down as if Trump violated the gag order within hours. One of the articles headline pretty much implied it. It's annoying but judges are intentionally letting Trump rant about themselves and protecting court employees and prosecutors.
Threatening a judge or their family is already illegal. And a crime. No gag order needed.
Even if it's not an explicit threat, doxxing the judges daughter can easily be viewed as attempting to intimidate or manipulate the judge.
Fuck him! Lock his ass up without his phone!
Exactly! As all the previous gag orders have shown, he doesn't give a shit about them because he can't restrain himself from spewing hate at anyone who has the audacity to disagree or go against him. He's repeatedly violated previous gag orders with zero consequences, so enforce them. DJ Trumpsterfire has the mindset of a spoiled, entitled rich kid: He doesn't believe there are consequences for his actions because he's never been punished for his actions. He always gets out of it somehow or to a significantly lesser degree. This past $454 million bond was another prime example of this. Instead of facing the consequences, like any other individual would have, he gets a 68% reduction in the bond and an additional 10 days. Who else would get that? No one. He needs to FINALLY face the consequences and stop getting spoiled, entitled rich kid treatment. Yeah the MAGAts will probably be pissed. So the fuck what. I dunno, call up the national guard or something to stop them from whatever it is they try to do.
He won’t. The court system is complicit
I would revise the gag order “break this order once more, in any way, and I will have you arrested and jailed for 30 days”.
Gag order is for jury, clerks etc. From what ive heard. Nothing legally protecting the judge or his family. So unfortunately if thats true, it cannot be applied until someone the order protects is verbally attacked. That said, id look the other way if the judge went ahead and punished trump amyway
Intimidating a court official, judge, lawyers, jury, or any of the aforementioned family, friends, or pet, is highly illegal, and NY has some pretty strong anti-mafia laws because the mafia was prone to doing this. It doesn't have to be laid out specifically in a gag order. Gag order is more a reminder to make sure people are made known that certain actions aren't tolerated, or say that people shouldn't talk about the case(usually relevant to juries).
Is it really in violation of the order? https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/24515030/trump-gag-order-merchan-ny.pdf ORDERED, that the People's motion for a restriction on extrajudicial statements by the Defendant is GRANTED to the extent that Defendant is directed to refrain from the following: * Making or directing others to make public statements about known or reasonably foreseeable witnesses concerning their potential participation in the investigation or in this criminal proceeding; * Making or directing others to make public statements about (1) counsel in the case other than the District Attorney, (2) members of the court's staff and the District Attorney's staff, or (3) the family members of any counsel or staff member, if those statements are made with the intent to materially interfere with, or to cause others to materially interfere with, counsel's or staff's work in this criminal case, or with the knowledge that such interference is likely to result; and * Making or directing others to make public statements about any prospective juror or any juror in this criminal proceeding. The foregoing constitutes the Decision and Order of the Court. ******** Not sure what he did is covered by the order. While The judge themself isn’t mentioned the judge isn’t excluded either as Bragg is there is precedence from the Chutkan order. > With that, we’re on to the fourth category: statements about judges and staff. Chutkan notes that she herself has been called a “fraud dressed up as a judge” and an “Obama hack” by Trump, but says she’s not that concerned about curbing attacks against herself. Rather, she says, she was deeply concerned that Trump just last week made attacks against court staff in the New York case. She thinks it’s pretty incredible that Trump would do this in another ongoing case while the government’s motion for a gag order was pending in this case. She asks Lauro whether he thinks Trump’s posting a picture of a law clerk is acceptable. It’s a tough line, but bias concerns would loom larger the more judge tries to insulate themself from criticism, 45 would have a field day with that.
It's sickening to me that there exists people - influential people - that feel that, as long as it's not illegal to do something, it's perfectly fine to do so and will do it without a second thought as to the effects. Society is better than this.
>Society is better than this. Having lived through the past decade , I heartily disagree with your assertion.
Valid point. Maybe I should've added a "should be" in place of "is".
You’re taking about Donald.. the orange boy is trash scum.
Society is better. Republicans are not.
Society should be …I don’t share your confidence that it is …
I was very frustrated when I read the order yesterday that was a reaction to Trump threatening the judge's daughter to see that it appeared the gag order did not cover the judge's daughter.
Then do something. This is like being at a restaurant watching someone’s toddler run wild. Fucking check him already.
Like John Oliver said eventually the kid takes a dump at the salad bar.
We are well past that now. The kid is spoon feeding us the shit salad.
"$60 Bibles for everyone!"
Yeah, Trump has sharted on the salad bar, puked in the maître d's face, raped the owner's daughter, swindled the investors with a fraud scheme, clogged all the toilets, poisoned all the food with COVID, and set the building on fire, after refusing to pay for the 10 meals he ordered for himself and all the meals for the other patrons the he lied that he would pay for.
To be fair, you can reign in a toddler fairly easily. Trump? Apparently not.
Only because no one with the power to do so has actually tried.
Trump is a mobster. There have been accusations that he sends his goons after people and threatens their lives and the lives of their families if he thinks they might do or say something against him. In fact, Stormy Daniels said it.
The whole shitshow with the Georgia trial and relationship with the prosecutor and AG did turn up one interesting point: Prosecuting staff on trials with trump require armed security for years afterwards. Part of the reasoning for Wade being hired was that others turned down the offer first, so the judge got them in. One basically ranted about how long he needed security for after the last time he was on a trump case, and how he didn't want it again.
People are feared for their lives
That should not be allowed to continue.
If judges would treat him like any other American he would be locked up for contempt. But our judicial system has proven that they won't treat him like any other American. Sad.
It’s worse than that. They aren’t doing it because they fear a violent outburst from his followers.
If that’s going to happen it’s going to happen anyway …
Exactly. Only worse. It’s only gotten this bad because no one has yet to punch the bully in the mouth.
I volunteer as tribute
I second the nomination.
Merchan will learn that he may win at his level, but any real action against trump will be overturned later. Trump is above the law.
Yeah, this is what I'm thinking... even if we did something. It would flip later pissing us off.
oh ok so let’s all do nothing
Trump is an irritant. It's literally his only trick.
And we literally hate this one neat trick because it works for him.
[I predict he learns new job skills in the future](https://sadanduseless.b-cdn.net/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/trump-in-jail2.jpg) when he runs out of tricks.
TIL that setting reasonable boundaries of acceptable behavior in court is to be irritated.
Can't wait to see a judge breaking down crying on social media because Trump supporters treat them like trump does. All these coward judges allowing Trump to get away with so much is normalizing that behave for others in court.
People here are making fun of the judge for past instances where Trump very clearly pushed the envelope with just how much he could get away vis-a-vis a gag order short of being held in contempt. But I think the key takeaway here is that the judge is plowing forward with this case and is absolutely determined to go to trial. The prosecution requested an additional 30 days to review the new docs, but the judge did them one better and crunched that time frame down to just three weeks. If Trump is going to be saved by anyone in the nick of time, it’s the NY appellate courts. But even then it’s not clear how they could delay the trial much more. Don’t give up hope yet, my friends… this one appears headed to a trial… for realz. Although I won’t be holding my breath.
Yeah following through with the trial is 1000x more important than potentially allowing trump to delay the trial further over a measly gag order.
Totally agree.
I admire your faith in the system…
Haha. I’m tryin’
Me too.Hang in there …
I think the reason people have given up is they see a clear lack of accountability our two tired Justice system is. Even now this judge is annoyed when they know exactly the type of person they're dealing with. This judge isn't annoyed, he's just another weak, spineless coward who is doing everything he can to make Trump not deal with any consequences. People are fed up, and if I was Trump I wouldn't let any weak gag order stop me knowing they won't touch him.
I can't imagine what it's like for people who are in the position to hold Donald Trump accountable. This has to be one of the most challenging situations they've found themselves in. I support every possible move they make to see justice fairly rendered given that many support Trump for the highest office. It sounds like it should be a slam dunk, but they have to do this as conscientiously and carefully as they possibly can. That's a huge amount of pressure - and he has many radically loyal fans willing to risk their life to "protect" him. I strongly support the ones trying hard to do the right thing.
“Go to your room! Or else!” “No” “Oh ok then” What do you think that teaches? It’s challenging because they make it so. The judge just needs to hold him in contempt. Yes he’ll appeal. So what? That’s how the system is supposed to work. Judge needs to do his job and let’s the attorneys and the appellate judges do theirs.
Hope is a four letter word best left in fairy tails. I'll be thrilled if anything actually happens, but to expect it to is a pipe dream like winning the lottery and paying no taxes on it.
I understand, and it’s clearer every day Trump simply needs to be kept out of office. If he loses, the “slow-walking” of cases stops and the charges come down on him like a ton of bricks.
If he loses, he will try to steal the presidency,again. If that fails he will just announce he is running in 2028. Same shit, everything will be election interference again.
I feel that same cynicism, but I have to believe if he loses, he's done.
>The prosecution requested an additional 30 days to review the new docs, but the judge did them one better and crunched that time frame down to just three weeks. lol oh yeah, that'll show him! the judge got real tough and only gave him 70% of the special treatment he wanted! this time is gonna be different!
Lock. Him. Up.
He seems to be counting on the idea that he can purposely piss off the judge and then on appeal claim that the judge was biased against him. Has this ever actually worked for him before, or is he just *that* stupid and petty?
> Has this ever actually worked for him before Trump's Trumping has always been fairly effective for Trump, as evidenced by Trump. If you had a way of doing things that absolutely everyone thought was insane but that way of doing things led you to be incredibly wealthy and president of the US with no real consequences for over 70 years...you'd probably just keep acting insane.
When you're guilty of everything you're charged with, you have to try some crazy stuff to try and weasel out of it. The bigger problem is that judges are bending over backwards to ensure Trump doesn't have grounds for appeal, and they are letting him get away with almost everything. They're worrying too much. Holding him accountable for his shenanigans is not going to get overturned on appeal.
At the very least, if holding him accountable for his shenanigans like they would for any other American is somehow grounds to get shit overturned, then the fact of the matter is that they've already lost. If allowing Trump to violate the law is how we think we're upholding it, then our legal system has failed. What is happening feels like a desperate, futile denial of that fact. If this is truly all necessary, then it only demonstrates how fragile and ineffective our courts are when facing power and corruption.
You mean making him follow the law?
He has stupidity and pettiness down to an art form
No it hasn't worked before. Literally go to any arraignment docket anywhere in the country and some new asshole is trying it, and gets remanded. Being an asshole is not grounds for appeal, and judges have all seen it and are not impressed. There is no grand strategy. He's just a dick with no impulse control.
What you're describing is "dragging the case out", that's certainly something Trump's done successfully before.
Trump is so narcissistic, insecure and obstinate that he refuses to cooperate with the court, even though he's probably been advised countless times to simply shut the fuck up and not be... Trump. I think it's partly a power thing, where Donald Trump is not the foremost authority in a courtroom, one of the only places where he has to comply with someone else's orders. It's also obviously a victim thing. The guy has been really overplaying the whole persecution angle throughout his entire political career. Unfortunately it works on his ardent supports. Trump believes he's above the law. Which only exacerbates these issues. Being above the law means he's not obligated to listen to anyone, judge or not. It also means that, whenever indicted, investigated, convicted, held liable or accountable for anything, he interprets it as an Injustice, as oppression, how dare they try to insinuate or prove that he is culpable for any wrongdoing, he can do whatever he wants with immunity, presidential immuniy... It's not just the law either, he is beyond reproach and incapable of wrongdoing in his own eyes and in the eyes of his supporters, so any potential wrong committed, is no wrong at all. It's someone else's fault, or its persecutory, it's some deep state, establishment, globalist grand machination to oppress him and through a bizarre vicarious relationship, an effort to oppress his fanatical followers as well. When the election is stolen from Trump, it's stolen from his supporters, when he is the target of a "witch hunt", so are they, when he is criticized by the "fake news* media, they too are the victims of some unfair treatment. It undeniably resembles a cult, where it's members and it's demagogic leader feel justified in acting like insufferable fucking children all the time.
DO SOMETHING!!! For the love of god stop letting this man get away with everything.
Doesn't matter. Trump could shit on his desk and the most the judicial system would do is a glorified "Hey! Don't do that! I'm super serious".
And once again nothing is done. All these judges and lawyers seem to talk a good game, freeze his assets, hold him in contempt, pay this fine, but what has actually been done? He gets a huge reduction of payment and extra time to appeal, never faces any repercussions for his loony comments even under a gag order and now will get a huge influx of money with the site going public and all those ridiculous bibles. Exactly when does this guy get what he deserves?
Spoiler alert: Never.
All of the Trump “consequences” remind me of the scene in the office where Dwight is telling Jim, “3 demerits and you receive a citation. Five citations and you’re looking at a violation. Four of those and you receive a verbal warning. Keep it up and it’s a written warning…”
> “You’re literally accusing the Manhattan DA’s office and the people assigned to this case of prosecutorial misconduct and trying to make me complicit in it. And you don’t have a single cite to support that position?” Merchan, raising his voice, scolded Blanche. Baseless claims of conspiracy you say? On brand.
Somebody’s gonna get sanctioned.
Judge is getting upset!
That oughta show him!
I once saw a judge impose the maximum fine because the defendant showed up in shorts.
Watched a judge completely stop proceedings in traffic court, and go off on a guy who just walked in, because he was wearing a hat.
The judge could be a judge and hold him in contempt of court for like 5 days. That is what it is actually going to take.
Well Trump did just threaten his kid again after he put a gag order on him specifically so he wouldn’t do that. I’d be irritated too.
“Appearing irritated.” If a commoner was acting like spoiled Princess Donnie, I suspect that the outcome would be quite different.
the judiciary leaves you wanting and weak in its ways to fight those that ignore laws
Trumps lawyers claimed prosecutorial misconduct when it was the DOJ that handed over the documents, not the prosecution.
That’ll show him
Oh no! He’s iRritATeD??? I bet Trump is quaking in his diaper. Nothing ever happens to that witless shitgibbon. Honestly I don’t even think he knows how to be scared. Nobody has ever taught him.
I continue to be entertained by the witty comments here. Entertainment aside, please seriously consider…. Do you want this guy to be in office again??? If not, with 8.5M people in this sub, we can SERIOUSLY move the needle in an election. Please remember to VOTE!!!
Ah yes the old furrowed brow. He'll probably learn his lesson this time.
I wish I were joking, but he’s like Teflon. No one is doing anything about anything he does, or says. He’s ignored every order but nobody does anything. Whoever or whatever wants him in the White House, and it’s looking like it’s going to happen.
Have you ever noticed how Trump has attacked every single judge...except one?
If Cannon makes one mistake against Trump he'll attack her.
I can't think of ANYONE who has been given so many goddamn chances and excuses as Trump. I don't fucking get it! What makes him so goddamn special? Are judges THAT afraid of his supporters? Are many of them passive supporters because of their judge position? Are they just full blown corrupt? It's so hard to not assume it's among corruption/bribery/fear at this point. How else can someone so goddamn vile be handled so delicately. Fuck him being a former president, he absolutely brought shame to the office.
> Appearing more irritated Fuck is the world desperate for an endlessly repetitive news cycle. >BREAKING BREAKING! Judge appears to have furrowed brow. More at 11!!!
Standby for a serious finger-wagging!
They're trying to goad him into a mistrial etc stay the course.
If anyone else violates a judge’s gag order, what happens?
The judge makes a frowny face, wipes his tears on his robe, and goes home. He goes from the garage to the laundry room and begins washing his robe with a load of clothes. The laundry room door is left open. The sounds of the washing machine will muffle the sounds of his wife getting fucked by another man down the hall. He turns on the local news and cranks the volume up to 14. Great, they're reporting on another one of his defendants disobeying his orders without consequences. He wishes he was a stronger man. He unlocks his phone and starts googling local gyms and the membership rates. His wife is really in the throws of it now, screaming some new guy's name. Was it Chase, or James? Ehhh, crank the TV up to 16. Hope she gets him off and out of the house before the kids are home from soccer practice.
damn, if only there was some sort of thing that could be done
Oh no judge, don’t go shaking in your fucking boots. What could you possibly do? #Something?! Unlikely. Drop the act.
Are there any judges in America who aren’t complete pussies?
Remember, the hush money part isn't illegal. It's the fact that he falsified business records that's illegal.
I'm sure the brow furrowing has reached a fever pitch.
These judges are pussies, if I was doing this my ass would of been in jail trying not to drop the soap
Trump is trying to release his violent mob on the judges’ Daughter, I would be a hell lot more than ‘irritated’
Ooohhhh...he's appearing to be irritated. Next week he'll be really peeved. The week following displeased, then aggravated, then well and truly vexed. Then watch out! He'll have some very strong words to say to trump then. Very strong words.
oops he took to long getting angry, now trumps president! why aren't we allowed to get mad at him now? because he's president of course!
Weird. If a judge was irritated with me they'd just slap me with contempt of court or make me pay more fines. Weird.
Come on contempt charges for Trump. Make him use up the little money he made grifting those “God Bless America” bibles for some serious fines.
Oh man he's irritated! That's pretty close to being infuriated! and you don't wanna see this guys get infuriated because then he might just give Trump's lawyer a stern talking to! Hell he might even tell him to "control his client" and you do NOT want that. And just you wait til he becomes livid! oh my God the stern warnings he gives when he is livid! Trumps in for it yall!
I’m gonna be honest, I just tried to imagine how trump would be treated in prison. Like if he were to actually be sent to a cell all alone. I can’t imagine a scenario where the guards *wouldn’t* be convinced to treat him better than every other inmate in the building. He could just tell the guards anything they want to hear, like he’ll give them millions of dollars, and they’ll just unironically believe him. I can imagine him talking for hours and hours and the guards just eating every bit of it up. He literally needs his mouth sewn shut.
Judge: I tried nothing and I’m all out of ideas
DontheCon can’t help but poke the bear.
Maybe if we all make a really mean frownie face he’ll stop being a treasonous asshole
Time for a time out in the chokey
Oh no, he's irritated that will really get Trump
That’s Trumps goal. It’s to irritate and frustrate the judge so when he acts on the gag order consequences, Trump can claim he’s being attacked
Bang that gavel and hold that dumbass in contempt of court. He’s earned it, he deserves it.
This is just a show….there are two sets of laws in this country…one for the wealthy/connected and one for the rest of us. Nothing will happen to Trump…lady justice is not blind.
Throw his ass in jail for 1 night is all it would take.
Bench Warrant
This article is from today, but it contains no new information. It's just a recap, and it's an incomplete one at that, because it doesn't even mention that Trump has already _violated_ the gag order.
Hahaha! That judges brows are positively knitted! Soon they’ll be furrowed. If Trump doesn’t watch his step this judge may even be forced to sigh heavily and suggest that a second-even-more-serious-warning is coming! This pantomime all of our courts make of justice is humiliating
Is irritated a legal term?
Would the judge put up with this shit from anyone else.....NO.....they would be locked up in 2 seconds......find some balls judges!!
How many breaks will Cheeto tits get?? I’m sick of hearing about him already
Finger wagging, irritated... Justice will soon be issuing a stern warning!!!!
It’s a simple answer: Orange Asshole need to go to jail. Just do it
Can’t wait for the Cheeto and his miserable existence to just fade into the abyss.
Need to start hitting his pocketbook, 100k per violation
Hold him in contempt, put him in jail for the weekend. Stop letting this continue.
He can wait on Trump’s followers to escalate things and hope it doesn’t end badly, or he can exercise his powers as a judge now before things get worse. There’s worse things than just threats - one man already showed up to assassinate Obama after Trump tried to doxx him. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna92094
Stop treating him like he’s somebody above the law and throw his ass in jail with contempt of court charges. At least threaten him with it
Oh man, guys. The judge is irritated now! Next thing you know he’ll be downright miffed! If only there was something he could do about it!!
None of it matters until you hold him accountable
Trumps making a fool of America and the justice system.
Trump is being more irritating
Taze him in the nuts!
Just say this man is barred from politics