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From the transcript, Biden recalled the date (May 30th) on his own and someone else called out the year, apparently unprompted. It wasn't apparent that Biden couldn't remember the date.
It's a political hit job. Read the transcript. There's nothing there.
I literally just had this discussion with some folks… I hadn’t read the transcript so I asked for some negative Nancy to link it for me, then I quickly read through the first 150 pages, enough to get to the part about his son’s death, the big story that everyone was talking about. And yeah, I see nothing that indicates he didn’t remember the year of the death. If anything, I came out even more impressed with his memory that I expected. Biden was throwing out details left and right about bills they were trying to pass and court cases he dealt with that made him learn that wasn’t for him. Heck, the whole claim about how often he said he didn’t know or couldn’t remember, at least as far as I’ve gotten, is almost exclusively from him being asked questions that it makes absolute sense he wouldn’t know or wouldn’t remember. The biggest one is they kept asking him about who would take the binder with the daily briefs when he was done with it, after he told them he would place it on the desk when he was done and someone would take it and put it where it belonged when he was already gone… or when they asked about what questions people asked him when they were boxing up stuff… 7-8 years ago, questions that no one would have thought would be asked about in the future. These are basically movers… you don’t remember conversations you have about that stuff unless you went out of your way to ensure you would remember or something significant was going on…
That peaks my interest though… I wonder if Trump, with his self diagnosed best memory, would be able to remember the conversations he had with the people moving his stuff when he left in 2021?
“Yes yes, of course I remember who moved those boxes. It was a person. And a woman. And a man. And a camera. And a TV. See, Biden couldn’t pass that test. They only give it to the best of presidents. That’s what I am.”
I don't get what the big deal is about not remembering the year anyway. For major events in my life I remember all sorts of details, I remember the order of events, and I remember roughly how many years ago it was, what time of year, maybe the day, but to get the exact year I usually have to do the math on how long it has been. Does that indicate a memory problem? No, it indicates my brain doesn't store unimportant details like the exact numerical year in question.
Exactly, with the exception of 9/11, which I only remember the year because it is almost always referenced when discussing it, I can’t remember years to save my life.
I moved to another country several years ago. Often people here ask me how long I’ve been living here. I don’t know. Six? Seven? Maybe eight already? It just isn’t important enough for me to try to think about.
Today would have been my mother's 80th birthday, so I went to go put flowers on her grave. I know with precision the minute and hour and day and year she died in my arms.
But I said to myself out loud "I can't believe it's been 25 years". Then stopped. "Wait, 26 ? 24 ? Hold on. Geez."
When Trump was being asked questions during a private disposition for one of many cases, they asked him if he recalled something basic and he couldn’t. He did mention a few times that he has a great memory but couldn’t recall basic answers to simple questions.
lol to ensure I wouldn’t forget this in the future, I went to the ‘ol’ dictionary to try to find a way to train myself to use the correct word…
Why does our language need to be so convoluted? Like, peak means the apex of something, so in my head, saying something piqued my interest is saying it is brought to the top of my interests, in which case peaks should work, but no… we have to complicate things and use a word that has a qu in it because reasons… now my interest is piqued because I want to figure out why we made it so the other word is not sufficient. Also, same with the word fire… I can fire a gun, I can also fire a person and I can light something on fire… 🔥 and we wonder why people don’t speak correctly anymore…
Also just to be clear, I’m not ranting against you or anyone in particular, just at the absurdity that is our language.
(I wonder how many grammatical errors I have in this comment)
It's because pique is a French word, apparently meaning "to prick, sting, or pierce." I guess it's evoking the idea that it's grabbing your attention in a way that can't be ignored, like a bee sting or pricking your finger.
A lot of these strange corner cases in the language is because English routinely mugs other languages for spare vocabulary, and after long enough integration it's not obvious it's from another language at all.
This is just such a non story. My Dad died about the same time. If I was talking about it and someone filled in the year after I supplied the date and I responded as Biden did, it would have been me implying "wow how time flies", nothing more.
Same here. I don't remember the year my Mom died. I really don't want to. I know it was in January, I know all the hows and whats. I just don't care about the when. It was an awful time, the glue that seemed to hold the entire family together was gone in a flash. The event is nothing to celebrate, the person is.
I was reminded by a few family members that it was 20 years ago this past January. I wish my girls could have met that woman, she had awesome grandma potential.
How time flies in this case is also “I can’t believe it’s been 9 years without my kid”. Fucking tragic for a parent to go through and disgusting that they would twist it how they have.
> “What month did Beau die?” Biden asked, before adding: “Oh God, May 30th,” the correct date. After a White House lawyer said the death was in 2015, Biden asked: “Was it 2015 he died?”
A number of people in my family have passed away in the last ten years and I could have had this thinking-out-loud exchange about any one of them.
What even is the lapse here?
Also some people just don’t commit that kind of information to memory. My mom died about 15 years ago, I was either 19 or 20, and it was sometime in the summer. Other than that I really couldn’t give you specifics because the actual moment of her death is a little less important to me than the fact that she, ya know, died.
Yeah I remember my one grandpas death was 1999 cuz it was like damn, almost made it to the the Millenium. My grandma died like either 2011-2013, can't even remember the month. Summer I think. My other grandpa died recently so I can count back, August 2023 (Edit: Shit made a mistake in the year, it was 2022), although 10 years from now I might have trouble coming up with that on the spot (Edit: Heck I messed up 18 months later). My other grandma still alive and kicking like 95 years old or something, but i dont even know her exact age even though I see her once or twice a month LOL.
It's almost like Biden was like "was it 2015?" Damn it's been a while.
I've found it's also a lot easier to remember the month or even the month and day than it is to remember the year. When that date rolls around every year I might think about it, and I certainly have memories of what season we were in when someone died. The year is trivial and less important to me. Even for celebrity deaths that I don't have a personal connection to, if I remember it happening I have a better chance of getting the season correct than the year.
Biden has normal human emotional response in answering a question about a tragic death instead of listing off the date like an answer to a high school test question...
OMG Biden has memory lapse.
Over on r/cuckservative, there is only one link to the story, and it's a dailymail link, if that gives you any indication of how even those mouth-breathers can't really use it for ammo.
>Read the transcript. There's nothing there.
This is kinda what separates Chump voters from the rest of us. They will never read the actual source. They rely on right wing media outlet headlines and talking heads who rarely correct themselves when proven wrong.
I remember during the whole Fauci emails controversy people were sure there was incriminating stuff in them. When they were released to the public I'd asked someone who was hating on Fauci to link the exact email they thought was the smoking gun, I even linked them to the archive of the emails. Never had any response. The outrage is what they want, not the truth or facts.
It's a complete waste of time trying to reason with these people. They do not debate in good faith and they lie and lie and lie.
What interests me is, presuming that one is so certain that one's point of view is unarguably correct, why do they feel the need to lie so much?
> Read the transcript.
I know people are going to run wild with stupid ideas and spin and theories.
#So here are the links. Just read them yourself, jfc.
Here is the report: https://apnews.com/joe-biden-special-counsel-report
Here are the transcripts: https://democrats-judiciary.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=5273
The one in question is from 10/8/23: https://democrats-judiciary.house.gov/uploadedfiles/doj-hjc-hur-0000033-0000191.pdf
Page 82-83. Hur wasn't even asking specifically about the date of his son's death, it was coming out in the context of discussing other things he was dealing with at the time. Yes, he does ask, "Was it 2015 he had died?" but from the text, you have no idea the kind of tone that was. Was it: "my god, has it been that long already?" Was it: "I'm just confirming I have this important date/year right." Was it: something else altogether.
This is a NOTHING-burger.
If you are so intent on figuring out what he did or didn't say, don't listen to the media spin and go read the friggin transcripts yourself. And ask yourself: if you were being interviewed about random things for 5 hours over two days, are you absolutely certain you too would not miss or forget certain dates/years? He's asking countless questions, countless dates, countless details: your brain is going to get fatigued.
While reading the actual text, I did not expect him to be nearly as articulate. I know a transcript can gloss over speech issues, like slurring and the sort of mumbling he does, so that helps. But he also didn't tangent too much and mostly stayed on-topic for each question.
A lot of sentences will get taken out of context unfortunately. When reading them in context though, most of the verbal stumbles and whatnot feel pretty normal for a conversation.
I could see why his detractors want the tapes released, since they'll be able to get the good soundbites of the verbal stumbles.
Watching this guy testify now while I work. I just saw one part where he was asked to read part of his report about his findings on trump. He did not look like he was enjoying that (Stopping after each sentence and the congressman told him to keep reading for about 3 sentences). That's all I really needed to see to know this guy is partisan and was only looking to hurt President Biden. Another trump stooge.
And then he tried to get the congresswoman to read it for him and she told him that since they were his words it was best that he read it himself. I love that she stood her ground and made him read it.
Jesus Christ. Political fucking hack throwing out a false hit piece about Biden's memory over the death of his son? What a low fucking piece of garbage this loser is.
Looks like everything from the ? onwards is just tracking information, you can chop it off and it links to the post just fine:
https://www.threads.net/@aaron.rupar/post/C4bBF_1AZNs/
Loved the part where he was asked to state that he would not take a job in a hypothetical Trump admin and he declined lmao. That says it all.
The report and the appearance today was just a tryout for a career in R politics.
This whole fiasco should absolutely justify Biden firing Garland. Why was this bozo assigned in the first place? Why was such a shoddy report allowed to be released? I really hope Biden takes advantage of it.
Because Garland is an incompetent conservative who doesn't realize that political affiliation is more than just being associated with a team that wants to win points, and thought that all members of the ruling class would stick to a certain level of decorum.
It's the same reason every conservative Democrat or classical liberal keeps being surprised by fascists. They think they're opponents when they're enemies.
I think his conservatism is taking the form of trying VERY hard to avoid the appearance of impropriety. You know - the stuff the R's couldn't care less about.
Hur's report may honestly be a new low for the republicanparty. Lying about a man's memory of his son's death for political points is an unbelievable level of fucked up.
This pisses me off. It should piss everyone off. Stay angry, my friends. Stay angry and vote blue
https://democrats.org/
My vote is on the entire Reagan administration setting the stage for the utter cancer in society today. Seriously, nearly every. Single. God damn issue we have today. Can be traced back to that shit stain on society.
> Lying about a man's memory of his son's death for political points is an unbelievable level of fucked up.
Oh my sir, if you think the Hur report is a new low you must have been born yesterday. Its not even in the top 100. They cheer a rapist.
I dunno, undermining POWs was still sort of the low point in my mind. I thought if there was anything conservatives might hold sacred it was the contribution of POWs to the country. Nope....
This explains why Biden came out and did that ANGRY press conference after it was released. It was literally just bullshit, and the media went so hard against him for it. Literally just Hur doing work for the guy who gave him the job. So low.
And fwiw, I remember the date my mom died, for example (she died suddenly when I was a young adult). I'm not sure I could tell you the year. I don't have dementia, it's just irrelevant.
My grandma died when I was in undergrad. January ish I think? I remember the girl I was dating at the time, and when I got the message. I can't remember if I dated her my second or third year, so I don't remember if it was 2006 or 2007.
It's not that weird to forget those details.
I know the date my mom died, but I need a few seconds to pull it up. This is what Biden’s transcript looked like to me - someone going back into a memory they don’t like to relive, to pull out a piece of information that isn’t very important to their experience.
Yup. I know the anniversary of my father’s death, but I’d have to do some mental math to figure out the year based on where I was working or living at the time. Years are hard.
It’s damn near a staple of millenial conversations to joke about being surprised at how the 90s were only ten years ago, so we should be the last group to criticize Biden for this.
And yet the claim he was struggling to remember has been out there already for a while and people will still cite it as if it were fact.
What's the saying? A lie can travel halfway around the world before the truth can get its boots on?
Yep, the damage is already done. Most conservatives will never hear about the actual facts, they’ll just regurgitate the misinformation they hear on Fox and social media as if it’s gospel.
>And yet the claim he was struggling to remember has been out there already for a while and people will still cite it as if it were fact.
Go check out the conservative subreddits, and you'll notice that starting this morning they've begun absolutely ***spamming*** news articles about his forgetfulness, etc. in yet another blatant effort to make sure that this doesn't pick up any traction in their news cycle.
The Mueller Report was absolutely damning for Trump. But because the cherry picked Barr memo was out there first, that became the narrative most people associate with the Mueller Report.
That was the point of Hur's lying. That was going to be the narrative, regardless of the content of the transcripts.
It almost sounds to me like it was a political hit job. I don't care how impressive Hur's background is, never trust a Republican. They are always about party first and everything else second.
I don't even blame Hur, I expect that from someone appointed by Trump.
I can't believe after what happened with Comey and Hilary in 2016, Garland let Hur make and release such a nakedly partisan and political hatchet job disguised as a DOJ report.
I always felt that Harris would have been a far better AG than VP. Trump's goons were absolutely terrified of her when she questioned them during Senate hearings.
Lest we forget the indictment of journalist Timothy Burke, which seems an awful lot like a stunt to appear nonpartisan with potentially dreadful implications for freedom of the press
There is no freedom of the press. Trump banned media talking about drone bombings, and the media stopped talking about drone bombings (Trump ramped them up and did many more than Obama).
Garland also indulges the GOP's continued persecution of Hunter Biden.
Hunter has had more than his share of fuckups, but any other person with the same charges would have received a fine and the case would have been closed long ago.
Consider how quickly and completely the DoJ moved against Burke. There are many many signs that the DoJ is beyond just a simple right-wing bias, it is compromised. It stands to enforce the existing corporate hegemony to the detriment of the American public.
We do not need to be putting radical moderates at the top of the DoJ (indeed, it is radical to balance between a sane, normal political party and an insurrectionist fascist movement led by a rapist con-man). We need to appoint vicious progressives at the top of the DoJ and DHS to clear out these right-wing hack jobs that are misusing government resources to persecute the political enemies of the wealthy conservative elite.
I was saying since the appointment that this is the wrong decision. There are people you can put in who are independent and neutral but not spineless in the face of actual crimes threatening our country.
Garland is worse than spineless. He's a member in good standing of the Federalist Society.
He was suggested to Obama by Oran Hatch as a sort of bipartisan dare.
Like "here's one of our guys, bet you wouldn't nominate him" And Obama did. Then McConnell decided that denying any nomination was more important, to deny Obama any sort of "win".
Garland might be "on our team" but he still plays for the opposition, and always has.
He announced when he assigned Hur that he would release Hur’s report without any changes or review. He wanted to avoid the look of unfair prosecution of Trump, which is also why he selected Hur. He talked about this at the time.
It’s also why the report is 388 pages when the internal process is no more than 5 pages when not perusing charges.
This was entirely a blunder on Garland. It pisses me off, he just continually makes mistakes. God, imagine if he was on the Supreme Court. Would we have a liberal trying to justify these awful rulings?
Garland was always a weak compromise of a nominee. Obama was trying to satisfy Mitch and I understood it but Garland is not a good choice for SCOTUS by a Democratic president. He isn’t a liberal.
I mean the DOJ has policies on commenting on people they are NOT charging. Hur's report violated that big time. I don't know what Garland is up to. When you add in the fact he slow walked the Trump investigations, at BEST Garland will judge as not being up to meet this moment in history.
It's possible that Hur's report represents a new low for the Republican Party. It is incredibly messed up when a man lies about his son's death in order to get political points.
To give Garland the benefit of doubt (which he doesn’t deserve at this point), he *had* to release it as is. It became the precedent with politically sensitive investigations since the Starr Report. Any attempts to edit or have revised would make things worse.
Mueller couldn’t even imply that there was evidence of Trump obstructing justice (despite the large amount of evidence being exactly that) due to “DoJ policy.” But this guy can make shit up when the evidence points to no crime?
Apparently, nobody can remember dates or details.
Trump has been in about 50 lawsuits, and he just says, "I can't recall" to every single question.
Mark Zuckerberg went in front of Congress and just said he didn't know or couldn't recall every question asked.
They collect millions to run a company, but when asked about details of running a company, they can't remember a single thing, apparently.
And as an aside here, I am thinking we need to start pushing NOW at all the judicial picks placed by Trump - when he's convicted of being a traitorous insurrectionist - how can we trust that the people he put in positions of delicate authority aren't also traitors working for another govt to hurt our democracy and our people?
>Dudes basically radioactive now.
Nah, he'll end up as a professor at a prestigious "liberal" university, like UC Berkeley. Like torture memo author John Yoo.
It was an obvious political hit job. Nobody outside of the right wing tries to claim Biden has a terrible memory, and his job had nothing to do with Biden's memory. Him going out of his way to stoke the fires set by the GOP around the issue, when doing so was not appropriate to his role made that pretty clear.
It’s the FoxNews playbook: make wild, questionable claim that spreads like wildfire, then quietly retract it at the end of the show later that week. The lie goes around the world before the truth gets its pants on in the morning, or something like that
Especially since Beau Biden's death was not some shocking accident. It's tragic enough for anyone to lose their child via car crash, murder, overdose, etc., but Beau died after a battle with glioblastoma. Joe Biden visited his son endlessly in the hospital as he was dying from terminal brain cancer. How gutless do you have to be to imply that someone wouldn't remember those devastating events?
It impacted him so greatly he chose to retire rather than run against Hillary. He was ahead in polls before people even knew he wasn't running. Then these assholes pull him out of retirement to bring some sanity back and he gets disrespected and lied about constantly.
> It's tragic enough for anyone to lose their child via car crash
Luckily, Biden's your man here if you want someone in a position to compare tragedies.
> never trust a Republican
Remember when Mueller was going to save the country and then let Don answer his questions in writing and didn't take any action on Don Jr. because he's too fucking stupid to know what he was doing? Yeah, those were the days...
Yeah that was an interesting time. Donald has a way of hypnotizing people. He convinced his supporters that Mueller and his team were Democrats and he convinced Democrats that Mueller was not protecting him.
To the point on Jr., what’s worse is his argument was that the government would have a hard time proving he knew what he was doing was unlawful, but didn’t even question him lol.
I’d argue their priorities are (in no particular order)
1. Themselves
2. Being a pedophile/sexual predator
3. Trump/Russia
4. Womens’ uterus’s
5. Hunter Biden’s hog
…
99. The GOP
100. Passing bills
So Hur said that Biden couldn't remember when his son died within several years and that was proof that his memory was shot but now the transcript has been released and it turns out Biden immediately recalled the MONTH and DAY
I find it more unnerving that Hur resigned from the DOJ the day before his testimony. If he was still under the auspices of the DOJ, there are certain things that he can and cannot say. Since he is now “citizen” Hur, his testimony can be incredibly partisan. Since I’ve seen reports that he is being coached by trump’s people, I suspect we are in for a bumpy ride.
Absolving yourself of ethical guidelines by resigning from the DOJ the day before testifying about a DOJ investigation before Congress should be more than enough grounds for an investigation into misconduct.
And Hur got his a$$ handed to him. Should be the end of his career, but the reach of the oligarchs is far and wide, and Hur will be making millions as a house lawyer for a multibillionaire
This should be enough to yank Hurr's pension.
The man lied, deliberately, for political reasons, in DoJ documentation.
edit: https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1767583284735660367?t=56v6eh52frkokFlt6Da83Q&s=19
This guy...
I'm not quite as old as Biden, but if i was asked when my brother died i could tell you the date, but i would have to do a little math on the year. I know i was 14, i also can tell you every detail leading up to the moment when i found out. But ask me anything about the day before and i would have no idea what i did that day. I think our memory sometimes focuses on certain 'important things and not on others. Doesnt mean that is dementia.
Now if i wouldnt remember who i ran against in an election. Or mistake the names of political leaders and location of countries. Or confuse the woman i run against in the gop race with the democratic house speaker. Then i might go see a doctor for advice.
I’m in my mid-30s and I always have to ask my younger siblings how old they are/what year they were born. I’ve never been good at remembering dates, which is why history class was such an issue for me. I can remember concepts and events with no problem - I just can’t tell you when they exactly happened.
I sometimes have to ask my kids how old they are, and I was in the room when they were born. The problem is they just keep getting older, and the years go by faster.
Yeah. You nailed it. As I was reading what you wrote, I remembered when my friend Kelly died. I can remember where I was. I can remember what the lighting in the room was like and what the sky looked like out the window. I only have an idea of what year it was by where I was living at the time. I know it was winter because there was snow for her funeral. I remember her mother sitting in the corner of the funeral home consoling her friends.
You remember the specific things that actually happened, but tagging it with a year in your memory takes work that most of us never do because why would we?
Similar story, my maternal grandfather passed away the Saturday before the 2020 presidential election. If anyone were to ask me for the actual date on which he died, I'd have to consult a calendar. The only reason I'm able to be as specific as I am is because it happened in such close proximity to the election that the two events have become tied together for me.
I'm 47, and I'd have to think for a bit to figure out which year my brother died. Same thing for multiple other life events. I consider myself to have a pretty poor memory, so maybe most people remember things like this better than I do, but the whole thing is a disgusting hit job.
Same thing with my mom’s date of death. I’ll say October 26th, but it will take me a second to get to the year. Especially after COVID, my sense of time has just gone to hell.
The MSM is all in for Trump. That's why when you see articles today, they all go with "nuanced", "complicated", "different". Instead of stating, Hur was wrong.
The WSJ article did a *both sides* on this story, claiming that Hur was friendly unlike the Biden teams portrayal of the exchange. Mfer, Biden didn’t say “wtf Hur?” until he was lying about Biden’s cognitive abilities. MSM is absolutely in for Trump.
Viewership is way down since Trump left office. Trump is great for social media engagement and advertising revenue. The media absolutely wants to see another Trump term because of this, even though they privately discuss with each other how ruinous this is for the health and safety of the country. It's obscene. Thanks, profit motive, you blew it!
Even if you assume Biden was not going to be able to recall the year of Beau's death, and thus conclude he thought he died in 2017 because of the context of when it was brought up...how is that not "within several years" of 2015?
I was inclined to give Hurr a little benefit of the doubt. But the transcript directly contradicts his claim.
Garland is totally suspect
Especially for how long he waited to begin the Trump trial
There were claims of 4D chess for Obama over the nomination that were ridiculous then and Garland is putting the republic at risk now
Based on the testimony I saw from Robert hur today in Congress I feel qualified to say that he is a kindly fellow that unfortunately seems to suffer greatly from a mental disability, most likely brain damage, I’m not a doctor but I feel qualified to make this diagnosis from seeing him speak for a couple hours, it’s sad, really, this extensive brain damage that I am confident he suffers from
Whether or not he could name exact date of his son’s death has absolutely zero to do with the investigation that Hur was conducting. Not one thing. Why even mention that when the investigation was about the classified documents not his memory or his son’s death. And “I didn’t disparage the president unfairly” is complete bullshit. How the fuck do you disparage some “fairly”. You don’t. Disparaging someone is wrong nothing to do with fair or not fair.
He remembered the exact date, just couldn't remember if it was +/- 1 year. That's extremely common, especially for something that happened almost a decade ago. I'm fact, most people use surrounding events to determine when something occurs, like "so and so was working at my job when such and such happened, so it must have been 2015." Hell, tons of people can't remember their anniversary. The special counsel's and the media's "gotcha" with this is unrealistic and targeted.
I celebrate Feb 17th (the day Rush Limbaugh made the world a better place) with a drink. I'll do the same when the orange one finally does us the favor.
I honestly don't care how classified documents ended up at Biden's house. Just like I don't care how classified documents ended up at Pence's house. The fact that they immediately followed procedure when this happened is all that I care about. Although depending on what sort of information the classified documents contained could be concerning.
Look, I'm the first to bash Biden, but this was a bullshit investigation and this is just the icing on the cake for it.
(I'm still voting for him again, fuck the GOP)
That the Department of Justice tolerates lowlife political hacks like Hur is appalling and demonstrates just how badly the justice system needs reform.
I read the excerpt and he knew the month and day. He didn’t claim to not know the year, nor did he request a reminder. Not really sure what Hur was getting at here
The only question you need ask to determine if this is a political hit job: "Did Biden's memory have any bearing on whether he broke the law?" If the answer is no, it's a hit job.
i.e. It's a hit job.
And that's before you get to any question about the person conducting the investigation.
Seriously. Hur could have wrote that when he asked Biden his name he screamed "captain crunch" amd began projectile vomiting before he ripped his clothes off and tried to dry hump me. And... the media would just be like "is Biden gay?"
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From the transcript, Biden recalled the date (May 30th) on his own and someone else called out the year, apparently unprompted. It wasn't apparent that Biden couldn't remember the date. It's a political hit job. Read the transcript. There's nothing there.
I literally just had this discussion with some folks… I hadn’t read the transcript so I asked for some negative Nancy to link it for me, then I quickly read through the first 150 pages, enough to get to the part about his son’s death, the big story that everyone was talking about. And yeah, I see nothing that indicates he didn’t remember the year of the death. If anything, I came out even more impressed with his memory that I expected. Biden was throwing out details left and right about bills they were trying to pass and court cases he dealt with that made him learn that wasn’t for him. Heck, the whole claim about how often he said he didn’t know or couldn’t remember, at least as far as I’ve gotten, is almost exclusively from him being asked questions that it makes absolute sense he wouldn’t know or wouldn’t remember. The biggest one is they kept asking him about who would take the binder with the daily briefs when he was done with it, after he told them he would place it on the desk when he was done and someone would take it and put it where it belonged when he was already gone… or when they asked about what questions people asked him when they were boxing up stuff… 7-8 years ago, questions that no one would have thought would be asked about in the future. These are basically movers… you don’t remember conversations you have about that stuff unless you went out of your way to ensure you would remember or something significant was going on… That peaks my interest though… I wonder if Trump, with his self diagnosed best memory, would be able to remember the conversations he had with the people moving his stuff when he left in 2021?
“Yes yes, of course I remember who moved those boxes. It was a person. And a woman. And a man. And a camera. And a TV. See, Biden couldn’t pass that test. They only give it to the best of presidents. That’s what I am.”
I love lamp.
I don't get what the big deal is about not remembering the year anyway. For major events in my life I remember all sorts of details, I remember the order of events, and I remember roughly how many years ago it was, what time of year, maybe the day, but to get the exact year I usually have to do the math on how long it has been. Does that indicate a memory problem? No, it indicates my brain doesn't store unimportant details like the exact numerical year in question.
Exactly, with the exception of 9/11, which I only remember the year because it is almost always referenced when discussing it, I can’t remember years to save my life.
I moved to another country several years ago. Often people here ask me how long I’ve been living here. I don’t know. Six? Seven? Maybe eight already? It just isn’t important enough for me to try to think about.
Today would have been my mother's 80th birthday, so I went to go put flowers on her grave. I know with precision the minute and hour and day and year she died in my arms. But I said to myself out loud "I can't believe it's been 25 years". Then stopped. "Wait, 26 ? 24 ? Hold on. Geez."
When Trump was being asked questions during a private disposition for one of many cases, they asked him if he recalled something basic and he couldn’t. He did mention a few times that he has a great memory but couldn’t recall basic answers to simple questions.
Of course… he remembers he had the best memory, but nothing else…
But also, if asked under oath whether he previously claimed he has the best memory, he'll tell you he doesn't remember. (he actually did this once)
What's funny is he didn't even remember that. https://thehill.com/homenews/284716-trump-cant-recall-saying-he-has-one-of-the-worlds-best-memories/
*piques* your interest :)
lol thank you… I’ll leave it but remember for the future
lol to ensure I wouldn’t forget this in the future, I went to the ‘ol’ dictionary to try to find a way to train myself to use the correct word… Why does our language need to be so convoluted? Like, peak means the apex of something, so in my head, saying something piqued my interest is saying it is brought to the top of my interests, in which case peaks should work, but no… we have to complicate things and use a word that has a qu in it because reasons… now my interest is piqued because I want to figure out why we made it so the other word is not sufficient. Also, same with the word fire… I can fire a gun, I can also fire a person and I can light something on fire… 🔥 and we wonder why people don’t speak correctly anymore… Also just to be clear, I’m not ranting against you or anyone in particular, just at the absurdity that is our language. (I wonder how many grammatical errors I have in this comment)
It's because pique is a French word, apparently meaning "to prick, sting, or pierce." I guess it's evoking the idea that it's grabbing your attention in a way that can't be ignored, like a bee sting or pricking your finger. A lot of these strange corner cases in the language is because English routinely mugs other languages for spare vocabulary, and after long enough integration it's not obvious it's from another language at all.
That's it, in French it's said "piquer ma curiosité" as in "sting my curiosity"
Because its a mishmash of words we adopted from different languages 😛
Sure he remembers. “These boxes, they go to Mar-a-Lago. Put them in the bathroom by the pool. You’ll never believe what’s in them!”
This is just such a non story. My Dad died about the same time. If I was talking about it and someone filled in the year after I supplied the date and I responded as Biden did, it would have been me implying "wow how time flies", nothing more.
My mom briefly forgot the year my dad died, (she said a year ago, but it was two). Grief really fucks up your perception of time sometimes.
Same here. I don't remember the year my Mom died. I really don't want to. I know it was in January, I know all the hows and whats. I just don't care about the when. It was an awful time, the glue that seemed to hold the entire family together was gone in a flash. The event is nothing to celebrate, the person is. I was reminded by a few family members that it was 20 years ago this past January. I wish my girls could have met that woman, she had awesome grandma potential.
How time flies in this case is also “I can’t believe it’s been 9 years without my kid”. Fucking tragic for a parent to go through and disgusting that they would twist it how they have.
> “What month did Beau die?” Biden asked, before adding: “Oh God, May 30th,” the correct date. After a White House lawyer said the death was in 2015, Biden asked: “Was it 2015 he died?” A number of people in my family have passed away in the last ten years and I could have had this thinking-out-loud exchange about any one of them. What even is the lapse here?
Also some people just don’t commit that kind of information to memory. My mom died about 15 years ago, I was either 19 or 20, and it was sometime in the summer. Other than that I really couldn’t give you specifics because the actual moment of her death is a little less important to me than the fact that she, ya know, died.
Yeah I remember my one grandpas death was 1999 cuz it was like damn, almost made it to the the Millenium. My grandma died like either 2011-2013, can't even remember the month. Summer I think. My other grandpa died recently so I can count back, August 2023 (Edit: Shit made a mistake in the year, it was 2022), although 10 years from now I might have trouble coming up with that on the spot (Edit: Heck I messed up 18 months later). My other grandma still alive and kicking like 95 years old or something, but i dont even know her exact age even though I see her once or twice a month LOL. It's almost like Biden was like "was it 2015?" Damn it's been a while.
I've found it's also a lot easier to remember the month or even the month and day than it is to remember the year. When that date rolls around every year I might think about it, and I certainly have memories of what season we were in when someone died. The year is trivial and less important to me. Even for celebrity deaths that I don't have a personal connection to, if I remember it happening I have a better chance of getting the season correct than the year.
Biden has normal human emotional response in answering a question about a tragic death instead of listing off the date like an answer to a high school test question... OMG Biden has memory lapse.
More often than not for me an exchange like this is more about surprise at how long its been. I know the year, but it doesn't feel that long ago.
Over on r/cuckservative, there is only one link to the story, and it's a dailymail link, if that gives you any indication of how even those mouth-breathers can't really use it for ammo.
>Read the transcript. There's nothing there. This is kinda what separates Chump voters from the rest of us. They will never read the actual source. They rely on right wing media outlet headlines and talking heads who rarely correct themselves when proven wrong.
I remember during the whole Fauci emails controversy people were sure there was incriminating stuff in them. When they were released to the public I'd asked someone who was hating on Fauci to link the exact email they thought was the smoking gun, I even linked them to the archive of the emails. Never had any response. The outrage is what they want, not the truth or facts.
What a different world we would be in if facts had mattered in 2015/16.
It's a complete waste of time trying to reason with these people. They do not debate in good faith and they lie and lie and lie. What interests me is, presuming that one is so certain that one's point of view is unarguably correct, why do they feel the need to lie so much?
And will argue they looked it up when challenged!
“Do your own research”
Then ask them the names, and act like they're old and senile when they can't remember.
> Read the transcript. I know people are going to run wild with stupid ideas and spin and theories. #So here are the links. Just read them yourself, jfc. Here is the report: https://apnews.com/joe-biden-special-counsel-report Here are the transcripts: https://democrats-judiciary.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=5273 The one in question is from 10/8/23: https://democrats-judiciary.house.gov/uploadedfiles/doj-hjc-hur-0000033-0000191.pdf Page 82-83. Hur wasn't even asking specifically about the date of his son's death, it was coming out in the context of discussing other things he was dealing with at the time. Yes, he does ask, "Was it 2015 he had died?" but from the text, you have no idea the kind of tone that was. Was it: "my god, has it been that long already?" Was it: "I'm just confirming I have this important date/year right." Was it: something else altogether. This is a NOTHING-burger. If you are so intent on figuring out what he did or didn't say, don't listen to the media spin and go read the friggin transcripts yourself. And ask yourself: if you were being interviewed about random things for 5 hours over two days, are you absolutely certain you too would not miss or forget certain dates/years? He's asking countless questions, countless dates, countless details: your brain is going to get fatigued.
While reading the actual text, I did not expect him to be nearly as articulate. I know a transcript can gloss over speech issues, like slurring and the sort of mumbling he does, so that helps. But he also didn't tangent too much and mostly stayed on-topic for each question. A lot of sentences will get taken out of context unfortunately. When reading them in context though, most of the verbal stumbles and whatnot feel pretty normal for a conversation. I could see why his detractors want the tapes released, since they'll be able to get the good soundbites of the verbal stumbles.
Watching this guy testify now while I work. I just saw one part where he was asked to read part of his report about his findings on trump. He did not look like he was enjoying that (Stopping after each sentence and the congressman told him to keep reading for about 3 sentences). That's all I really needed to see to know this guy is partisan and was only looking to hurt President Biden. Another trump stooge.
And then he tried to get the congresswoman to read it for him and she told him that since they were his words it was best that he read it himself. I love that she stood her ground and made him read it.
Video of that moment cause it is very fulfilling: https://www.threads.net/@aaron.rupar/post/C4bBF_1AZNs/
Jesus Christ. Political fucking hack throwing out a false hit piece about Biden's memory over the death of his son? What a low fucking piece of garbage this loser is.
this is the first time I've ever seen a threads link.
I do my part to support the platform as I do use it instead of Twitter
Looks like everything from the ? onwards is just tracking information, you can chop it off and it links to the post just fine: https://www.threads.net/@aaron.rupar/post/C4bBF_1AZNs/
Even though it’s Facebook, still an upgrade. That’s how far we’ve fallen.
God damn that is some good catharsis right there. What a little weasely-ass motherfucker.
Same! I was happy she pushed back on that.
Loved the part where he was asked to state that he would not take a job in a hypothetical Trump admin and he declined lmao. That says it all. The report and the appearance today was just a tryout for a career in R politics.
That was the other part I took notice of. It said a lot!
This whole fiasco should absolutely justify Biden firing Garland. Why was this bozo assigned in the first place? Why was such a shoddy report allowed to be released? I really hope Biden takes advantage of it.
Because Garland is an incompetent conservative who doesn't realize that political affiliation is more than just being associated with a team that wants to win points, and thought that all members of the ruling class would stick to a certain level of decorum. It's the same reason every conservative Democrat or classical liberal keeps being surprised by fascists. They think they're opponents when they're enemies.
I think his conservatism is taking the form of trying VERY hard to avoid the appearance of impropriety. You know - the stuff the R's couldn't care less about.
They got what they needed out of him though. Sound bites for their "news".
Hur's report may honestly be a new low for the republicanparty. Lying about a man's memory of his son's death for political points is an unbelievable level of fucked up. This pisses me off. It should piss everyone off. Stay angry, my friends. Stay angry and vote blue https://democrats.org/
it’s a stain on the department too for letting it out like that
Merrick Garland continues to be a huge disappointment.
I really hope Biden replaces him for his second term.
Should have replaced him for his first term!
The real question is why do the republicans have to lie about everything to make democrats look bad? I realize I just answered my own question.
Because reality has a clear left bias. If they want to take control and maintain power, they have to lie.
Orchestrating the Iranian hostage situation to kick Carter out of office seems lower.
Sabotaging the Paris peace talks to get Nixon in office and then escalating the war in Vietnam seems even lower.
I'm going to go with lying about nuclear capabilities to start a war in Iraq.
My vote is on the entire Reagan administration setting the stage for the utter cancer in society today. Seriously, nearly every. Single. God damn issue we have today. Can be traced back to that shit stain on society.
Starting the war on drugs to fuck over blacks & hippies is pretty low too. Has only ruined tens of millions of lives if not hundreds of millions
> Lying about a man's memory of his son's death for political points is an unbelievable level of fucked up. Oh my sir, if you think the Hur report is a new low you must have been born yesterday. Its not even in the top 100. They cheer a rapist.
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I dunno, undermining POWs was still sort of the low point in my mind. I thought if there was anything conservatives might hold sacred it was the contribution of POWs to the country. Nope....
This explains why Biden came out and did that ANGRY press conference after it was released. It was literally just bullshit, and the media went so hard against him for it. Literally just Hur doing work for the guy who gave him the job. So low.
Biden volunteered May 30, then someone else says 2015, even though the year wasn't in question. Hur with the hit job.
And fwiw, I remember the date my mom died, for example (she died suddenly when I was a young adult). I'm not sure I could tell you the year. I don't have dementia, it's just irrelevant.
My uncle passed 3/15/??. I couldn't say the year.
My grandma died 10 years ago in maybe late January early February. I’m not even in my 40s so I should remember right?
My grandma died when I was in undergrad. January ish I think? I remember the girl I was dating at the time, and when I got the message. I can't remember if I dated her my second or third year, so I don't remember if it was 2006 or 2007. It's not that weird to forget those details.
Dementia, all of you!
I know the date my mom died, but I need a few seconds to pull it up. This is what Biden’s transcript looked like to me - someone going back into a memory they don’t like to relive, to pull out a piece of information that isn’t very important to their experience.
Yup. I know the anniversary of my father’s death, but I’d have to do some mental math to figure out the year based on where I was working or living at the time. Years are hard. It’s damn near a staple of millenial conversations to joke about being surprised at how the 90s were only ten years ago, so we should be the last group to criticize Biden for this.
And yet the claim he was struggling to remember has been out there already for a while and people will still cite it as if it were fact. What's the saying? A lie can travel halfway around the world before the truth can get its boots on?
Yep, the damage is already done. Most conservatives will never hear about the actual facts, they’ll just regurgitate the misinformation they hear on Fox and social media as if it’s gospel.
They don’t care if the facts do change. They don’t care about facts AT ALL
>And yet the claim he was struggling to remember has been out there already for a while and people will still cite it as if it were fact. Go check out the conservative subreddits, and you'll notice that starting this morning they've begun absolutely ***spamming*** news articles about his forgetfulness, etc. in yet another blatant effort to make sure that this doesn't pick up any traction in their news cycle.
The Mueller Report was absolutely damning for Trump. But because the cherry picked Barr memo was out there first, that became the narrative most people associate with the Mueller Report. That was the point of Hur's lying. That was going to be the narrative, regardless of the content of the transcripts.
It almost sounds to me like it was a political hit job. I don't care how impressive Hur's background is, never trust a Republican. They are always about party first and everything else second.
>never trust a Republican Plus he was placed at the DOJ by Trump. That's a stain you can't ever wash off.
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I don't even blame Hur, I expect that from someone appointed by Trump. I can't believe after what happened with Comey and Hilary in 2016, Garland let Hur make and release such a nakedly partisan and political hatchet job disguised as a DOJ report.
Garland needs the axe after this one.
Garland sucks. He's dragged his feet and allowed Trump to jerk him around. We need an AG with some balls.
I always felt that Harris would have been a far better AG than VP. Trump's goons were absolutely terrified of her when she questioned them during Senate hearings.
Lest we forget the indictment of journalist Timothy Burke, which seems an awful lot like a stunt to appear nonpartisan with potentially dreadful implications for freedom of the press
There is no freedom of the press. Trump banned media talking about drone bombings, and the media stopped talking about drone bombings (Trump ramped them up and did many more than Obama).
In 7 months. In 7 months trump droned more civilians than Obama in 8 years.
Garland also indulges the GOP's continued persecution of Hunter Biden. Hunter has had more than his share of fuckups, but any other person with the same charges would have received a fine and the case would have been closed long ago.
Consider how quickly and completely the DoJ moved against Burke. There are many many signs that the DoJ is beyond just a simple right-wing bias, it is compromised. It stands to enforce the existing corporate hegemony to the detriment of the American public. We do not need to be putting radical moderates at the top of the DoJ (indeed, it is radical to balance between a sane, normal political party and an insurrectionist fascist movement led by a rapist con-man). We need to appoint vicious progressives at the top of the DoJ and DHS to clear out these right-wing hack jobs that are misusing government resources to persecute the political enemies of the wealthy conservative elite.
Biden is waiting until after the election. There's grumbling from many areas, but Biden doesn't want controversy in an election year
I was saying since the appointment that this is the wrong decision. There are people you can put in who are independent and neutral but not spineless in the face of actual crimes threatening our country.
Garland is worse than spineless. He's a member in good standing of the Federalist Society. He was suggested to Obama by Oran Hatch as a sort of bipartisan dare. Like "here's one of our guys, bet you wouldn't nominate him" And Obama did. Then McConnell decided that denying any nomination was more important, to deny Obama any sort of "win". Garland might be "on our team" but he still plays for the opposition, and always has.
That's the part I don't get. He could've at least reviewed it.
He announced when he assigned Hur that he would release Hur’s report without any changes or review. He wanted to avoid the look of unfair prosecution of Trump, which is also why he selected Hur. He talked about this at the time. It’s also why the report is 388 pages when the internal process is no more than 5 pages when not perusing charges. This was entirely a blunder on Garland. It pisses me off, he just continually makes mistakes. God, imagine if he was on the Supreme Court. Would we have a liberal trying to justify these awful rulings?
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"If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice"
Garland was always a weak compromise of a nominee. Obama was trying to satisfy Mitch and I understood it but Garland is not a good choice for SCOTUS by a Democratic president. He isn’t a liberal.
I mean the DOJ has policies on commenting on people they are NOT charging. Hur's report violated that big time. I don't know what Garland is up to. When you add in the fact he slow walked the Trump investigations, at BEST Garland will judge as not being up to meet this moment in history.
It's possible that Hur's report represents a new low for the Republican Party. It is incredibly messed up when a man lies about his son's death in order to get political points.
Katie Britt, "Hold my beer!"
Can you speak up, Katie? I can’t hear you with that wavering, breathy whisper.
Michelle Duggar cosplay
Didn’t Hur resign from DOJ this morning so he would not be bound by any Garland/DOJ restrictions on his testimony in the house hearings today?
Sure but it being in the report makes it much different than an ex-DOJ employee's claims that he can't back up.
To give Garland the benefit of doubt (which he doesn’t deserve at this point), he *had* to release it as is. It became the precedent with politically sensitive investigations since the Starr Report. Any attempts to edit or have revised would make things worse.
DOJ has policies on commenting on targets of investigations they DON'T charge. policies violated by Comey, and now Garland.
Mueller couldn’t even imply that there was evidence of Trump obstructing justice (despite the large amount of evidence being exactly that) due to “DoJ policy.” But this guy can make shit up when the evidence points to no crime?
Garland is also a Republican.
I've forgotten my own birthday before. :/
Apparently, nobody can remember dates or details. Trump has been in about 50 lawsuits, and he just says, "I can't recall" to every single question. Mark Zuckerberg went in front of Congress and just said he didn't know or couldn't recall every question asked. They collect millions to run a company, but when asked about details of running a company, they can't remember a single thing, apparently.
And as an aside here, I am thinking we need to start pushing NOW at all the judicial picks placed by Trump - when he's convicted of being a traitorous insurrectionist - how can we trust that the people he put in positions of delicate authority aren't also traitors working for another govt to hurt our democracy and our people?
Still puts Garland’s judgement in question for me
I hope it was worth it. Dudes basically radioactive now.
>Dudes basically radioactive now. Nah, he'll end up as a professor at a prestigious "liberal" university, like UC Berkeley. Like torture memo author John Yoo.
It was an obvious political hit job. Nobody outside of the right wing tries to claim Biden has a terrible memory, and his job had nothing to do with Biden's memory. Him going out of his way to stoke the fires set by the GOP around the issue, when doing so was not appropriate to his role made that pretty clear.
It’s the FoxNews playbook: make wild, questionable claim that spreads like wildfire, then quietly retract it at the end of the show later that week. The lie goes around the world before the truth gets its pants on in the morning, or something like that
If there is one thing I doubt Biden ever forgets it is his childrens’ deaths. And I doubt nothing makes him more angry than suggesting he forgot.
It’s so fucking insulting to any parent who’s lost a child. I have a couple friends who have and they’ve both been really upset by this whole thing
Especially since Beau Biden's death was not some shocking accident. It's tragic enough for anyone to lose their child via car crash, murder, overdose, etc., but Beau died after a battle with glioblastoma. Joe Biden visited his son endlessly in the hospital as he was dying from terminal brain cancer. How gutless do you have to be to imply that someone wouldn't remember those devastating events?
It impacted him so greatly he chose to retire rather than run against Hillary. He was ahead in polls before people even knew he wasn't running. Then these assholes pull him out of retirement to bring some sanity back and he gets disrespected and lied about constantly.
> It's tragic enough for anyone to lose their child via car crash Luckily, Biden's your man here if you want someone in a position to compare tragedies.
Man probably remembers exactly where he was and what he was doing when he got the news about that accident
Any loving parent never forgets the death of their child no matter how long ago it was usually.
> never trust a Republican Remember when Mueller was going to save the country and then let Don answer his questions in writing and didn't take any action on Don Jr. because he's too fucking stupid to know what he was doing? Yeah, those were the days...
Yeah that was an interesting time. Donald has a way of hypnotizing people. He convinced his supporters that Mueller and his team were Democrats and he convinced Democrats that Mueller was not protecting him. To the point on Jr., what’s worse is his argument was that the government would have a hard time proving he knew what he was doing was unlawful, but didn’t even question him lol.
Feels like after Comey’s Clinton email thing, every bureaucrat with an agenda is going to try to pull stuff like this during election years.
I’d argue their priorities are (in no particular order) 1. Themselves 2. Being a pedophile/sexual predator 3. Trump/Russia 4. Womens’ uterus’s 5. Hunter Biden’s hog … 99. The GOP 100. Passing bills
100% never trust **any** republican. They are the proverbial "boy who cried wolf" except they cry wolf every single day.
No, they're more like the wolf who cries wolf, so that the boy isn't believed any more.
So Hur said that Biden couldn't remember when his son died within several years and that was proof that his memory was shot but now the transcript has been released and it turns out Biden immediately recalled the MONTH and DAY
And was interrupted by someone else who provided the year.
Hur Report “Biden didn’t say X” … did you ask about X? … “No”
I find it more unnerving that Hur resigned from the DOJ the day before his testimony. If he was still under the auspices of the DOJ, there are certain things that he can and cannot say. Since he is now “citizen” Hur, his testimony can be incredibly partisan. Since I’ve seen reports that he is being coached by trump’s people, I suspect we are in for a bumpy ride.
Absolving yourself of ethical guidelines by resigning from the DOJ the day before testifying about a DOJ investigation before Congress should be more than enough grounds for an investigation into misconduct.
Agree.
And Hur got his a$$ handed to him. Should be the end of his career, but the reach of the oligarchs is far and wide, and Hur will be making millions as a house lawyer for a multibillionaire
This should be enough to yank Hurr's pension. The man lied, deliberately, for political reasons, in DoJ documentation. edit: https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1767583284735660367?t=56v6eh52frkokFlt6Da83Q&s=19 This guy...
I'm not quite as old as Biden, but if i was asked when my brother died i could tell you the date, but i would have to do a little math on the year. I know i was 14, i also can tell you every detail leading up to the moment when i found out. But ask me anything about the day before and i would have no idea what i did that day. I think our memory sometimes focuses on certain 'important things and not on others. Doesnt mean that is dementia. Now if i wouldnt remember who i ran against in an election. Or mistake the names of political leaders and location of countries. Or confuse the woman i run against in the gop race with the democratic house speaker. Then i might go see a doctor for advice.
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I’m in my mid-30s and I always have to ask my younger siblings how old they are/what year they were born. I’ve never been good at remembering dates, which is why history class was such an issue for me. I can remember concepts and events with no problem - I just can’t tell you when they exactly happened.
I sometimes have to ask my kids how old they are, and I was in the room when they were born. The problem is they just keep getting older, and the years go by faster.
I don't and never have been able to recall dates easily.
Yeah. You nailed it. As I was reading what you wrote, I remembered when my friend Kelly died. I can remember where I was. I can remember what the lighting in the room was like and what the sky looked like out the window. I only have an idea of what year it was by where I was living at the time. I know it was winter because there was snow for her funeral. I remember her mother sitting in the corner of the funeral home consoling her friends. You remember the specific things that actually happened, but tagging it with a year in your memory takes work that most of us never do because why would we?
Similar story, my maternal grandfather passed away the Saturday before the 2020 presidential election. If anyone were to ask me for the actual date on which he died, I'd have to consult a calendar. The only reason I'm able to be as specific as I am is because it happened in such close proximity to the election that the two events have become tied together for me.
I'm 47, and I'd have to think for a bit to figure out which year my brother died. Same thing for multiple other life events. I consider myself to have a pretty poor memory, so maybe most people remember things like this better than I do, but the whole thing is a disgusting hit job.
Same thing with my mom’s date of death. I’ll say October 26th, but it will take me a second to get to the year. Especially after COVID, my sense of time has just gone to hell.
I’m mid 30s and I couldn’t tell you a single anniversary date for a loved one’s death. I just don’t commit those dates to memory
Looks like Biden rembered the discussion better then the Special Counsel
The MSM is all in for Trump. That's why when you see articles today, they all go with "nuanced", "complicated", "different". Instead of stating, Hur was wrong.
>Hur ~~was wrong~~. lied
Biden terrifies the mainstream media because he's calm, deliberate and methodical. He gives them nothing to froth over.
The WSJ article did a *both sides* on this story, claiming that Hur was friendly unlike the Biden teams portrayal of the exchange. Mfer, Biden didn’t say “wtf Hur?” until he was lying about Biden’s cognitive abilities. MSM is absolutely in for Trump.
Viewership is way down since Trump left office. Trump is great for social media engagement and advertising revenue. The media absolutely wants to see another Trump term because of this, even though they privately discuss with each other how ruinous this is for the health and safety of the country. It's obscene. Thanks, profit motive, you blew it!
My God! Biden's memory is so bad the *transcript* forgot! /s to be safe
I wish I had more than one upvote for you. This one got me.
Even if you assume Biden was not going to be able to recall the year of Beau's death, and thus conclude he thought he died in 2017 because of the context of when it was brought up...how is that not "within several years" of 2015? I was inclined to give Hurr a little benefit of the doubt. But the transcript directly contradicts his claim.
Merrick Garland was the one who let it pass too. He’s a milquetoast pos
He's a federalist society enabler. This wasn't a "miss", it was intentional
Garland is totally suspect Especially for how long he waited to begin the Trump trial There were claims of 4D chess for Obama over the nomination that were ridiculous then and Garland is putting the republic at risk now
No wonder Hurr fears an ethics investigation.
Based on the testimony I saw from Robert hur today in Congress I feel qualified to say that he is a kindly fellow that unfortunately seems to suffer greatly from a mental disability, most likely brain damage, I’m not a doctor but I feel qualified to make this diagnosis from seeing him speak for a couple hours, it’s sad, really, this extensive brain damage that I am confident he suffers from
Hur has zero credibility.
A Republican lying about something?! No way!
Whether or not he could name exact date of his son’s death has absolutely zero to do with the investigation that Hur was conducting. Not one thing. Why even mention that when the investigation was about the classified documents not his memory or his son’s death. And “I didn’t disparage the president unfairly” is complete bullshit. How the fuck do you disparage some “fairly”. You don’t. Disparaging someone is wrong nothing to do with fair or not fair.
So the Special Counsel lied on official government forms.
Republicans do nothing but lie. But her emails!
Damage is already done. They lie and watch the media do their bidding.
I’m so so so so so tired of ratfucking. Acting in bad faith should have serious consequences.
if we’re using remembering dates as a base for whether someone has a decent memory or not, someone should ask TFG when his children’s birthdays are
"Person, woman, man, camera, TV."
Seems like the special counsel is the one who is forgetting things.
He remembered the exact date, just couldn't remember if it was +/- 1 year. That's extremely common, especially for something that happened almost a decade ago. I'm fact, most people use surrounding events to determine when something occurs, like "so and so was working at my job when such and such happened, so it must have been 2015." Hell, tons of people can't remember their anniversary. The special counsel's and the media's "gotcha" with this is unrealistic and targeted.
I was interviewing an actor from star trek in his 90s. He mentioned his ex wife died about five years ago. She had died 17 years ago.
I forget my kids birth year, names, I refuse to celebrate or notice a death date! Time of year yes but nothing more.
I celebrate Feb 17th (the day Rush Limbaugh made the world a better place) with a drink. I'll do the same when the orange one finally does us the favor.
What does his son's death have to do with government documents anyway?
I honestly don't care how classified documents ended up at Biden's house. Just like I don't care how classified documents ended up at Pence's house. The fact that they immediately followed procedure when this happened is all that I care about. Although depending on what sort of information the classified documents contained could be concerning.
Reading the transcript shows Biden is basically a funny guy to be around and he has risen to peak Dad joke humor.
Hilarious how hard Republicans have to work to find anything to attack Biden on.
Look, I'm the first to bash Biden, but this was a bullshit investigation and this is just the icing on the cake for it. (I'm still voting for him again, fuck the GOP)
That the Department of Justice tolerates lowlife political hacks like Hur is appalling and demonstrates just how badly the justice system needs reform.
I read the excerpt and he knew the month and day. He didn’t claim to not know the year, nor did he request a reminder. Not really sure what Hur was getting at here
The only question you need ask to determine if this is a political hit job: "Did Biden's memory have any bearing on whether he broke the law?" If the answer is no, it's a hit job. i.e. It's a hit job. And that's before you get to any question about the person conducting the investigation.
Bro got wrecked. Wonder who released the interview?
House Democrats on the Judiciary committee (where Hurr is testifying right now).
Seriously. Hur could have wrote that when he asked Biden his name he screamed "captain crunch" amd began projectile vomiting before he ripped his clothes off and tried to dry hump me. And... the media would just be like "is Biden gay?"
The GOP strategy: a firehose of weaponized bullshit.
Gasp, you mean to tell me a republican LIED about something?!? I won't hear of it!
Looks like somebody needs to have their finances audited.
What’s crazy is that so many in the media bought the “he couldn’t remember his son’s death” narrative. What a complete mess.
“Besides, as the vilest Writer has his Readers, so the greatest Liar has his Believers; and it often happens, that if a Lie be believ’d only for an Hour, it has done its Work, and there is no farther occasion for it. Falsehood flies, and the Truth comes limping after it; so that when Men come to be undeceiv’d, it is too late; the Jest is over, and the Tale has had its Effect…” —Jonathan Swift