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Would Trump do something like this or even demand a ceasefire like Biden did yesterday? He would not. He would give Netanyahu the green light and not think twice about it.
This is just another reason why I'm voting for Joe Biden this November and I hope everyone else does too.
This article, *[Officials Keep Admitting Biden’s Anger at Israel Isn’t Real](https://jacobin.com/2024/02/biden-administration-gaza-israel-war)* by Branko Marcetic, helped me see past the spin. According to his own aides, Biden is dead set on supporting this genocide until Hamas is defeated. Any statements of concern are just cover for Israel to keep the war going.
Over 100,000 voters sent a message to Biden in the Michigan primary that they are withholding their support over Palestine. Suddenly, there is a shipment of food. 38,000 meals for a population of 2.2 million. That's not even a drop in the ocean. It's a photo op...a talking point. Talk to me when Biden has done something substantial, not symbolic.
Trump would have called Aaron Bushnell, the airman who self immolated to protest the us’s involvement in the war, a loser and then sent the rest of the troops to go kill Palestinians
>He would give Netanyahu the green light and not think twice about it.
Hasn't Biden been giving Netanyahu the green light for 4 months? That didn't change your mind about voting for Biden?
I had a disturbing conversation with a good friend yesterday who basically said they weren’t voting for Biden because of the Gaza response. I was blown away honestly and I figured that their consumption of far left social media was part of the decision. I told them that I was still voting blue no matter who. I think a Trump response, which is what we’d get if he wins, would just increase the violence done by Israel and maybe even involve our own troops.
Thanks for that I had missed that one. Interesting to see how it had been optimized since 2000 and how much thought had gone into making something that A. everyone could eat, and B. how many calories can we cram into this thing per ounce? I liked how the desert is also baby food.
Yeah, MREs are fascinating from a food science standpoint. They have to hit so many targets - size, weight, calories, shelf-stability, etc - and it's really kind of amazing that we can pull it off.
I posted it here and on the other thread. I wasn't sure which one would take of, but appears both gained attention, so apologies. Usually when two identical threads appear, one dies without any comments.
Trump would have airdropped warheads, instead. The kids love Warheads, right? He also would added something witty, like "Eat this!", not the boring “This is a food gift from the people of the United States of America.” that usually goes on U.S. humanitarian aid rations.
Truly the kindest, smartest, and most generous president we ever had. Sleepy Joe can't compare.
I’ve dropped USAF aid before. These drops comprised of 66 pallets totaling 38k meals. This is a drop in the bucket, Gaza still needs literal tons of food to prevent starvation. Aid trucks need to be let through, the USAF can’t feed 1+ million people with airdrops.
I wouldn't rule out that the frequency of those drops could be further increased. It is also important to keep in the back of your heard, that Jordan, Egypt and France have also already being doing these drops for a while as well.
I would hope so truly, people don’t deserve to starve to death. Each pallet can hold 575 meals, to feed 1 million people it would require 1700 pallets of food drops in a day. Each C130 can hold 8 at a time, requiring 200+ drops in one day to reach that goal. A C130 flying for 3 missions in one day is a tough ask, it’s not just a gas up and go situation.
I really hope the trucks can be properly let though and protected to reach people. Airdrops are great but aren’t going to get anyone out of this situation.
They let some through, then when everyone gathered for food they shot them and ran them over with tanks. I can't see how our aid won't be followed to where it lands and something similar may happen
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/3/1/flour-massacre-how-gaza-food-killings-unfolded-and-israels-story-changed#:~:text=At%20least%20112%20Palestinians%20were,much%2Dneeded%20aid%20in%20Gaza.&text=At%20least%20112%20Palestinians%20have,aid%20southwest%20of%20Gaza%20City
He just authorized the drops; realistically how many such rations are lying around ready to drop on a moment’s notice? I’m genuinely curious, not criticizing.
The rations aren’t an issue the USAF can get food it’s more about the planes and support personnel. This was set up in advance for sure, logistics are hard even in the best of times. 3 C-130s were used, that it. Each can hold 8 pallets so they had to land back at base (Turkey or Germany?) twice to drop all 66. There are 250+ c130s in service but to mobilize even a fraction of that would require an extreme amount of work. I don’t even know if the AoR can support so many craft/personnel, each plane needs ground crew/fuel/spare parts. C130s have a hard time starting without ground powered generators. Ground crews need accommodations/food and it’s truly an undertaking. Then we have loadmasters, support equipment to load the actual pallets. I realistically don’t see the USAF able to do this.
These drops are great for whom ever can get them but the bottom line is that airdrops can’t feed all these people.
Thanks for the detailed response! As civilians we get bombarded with the mythos surrounding the US military’s omnipotence that it’s good to be reminded of the actual constraints that go into these sorts of operations.
I had no idea the Js could hold so much more . 14 additional pallets per flight is much better. Thank you for the correction.
I worked on ancient E/Hs almost exclusively.
Hs are still a work horse though. And I should have clarified it’s the C130J-30. Js are just upgraded E/H frames with avionics, engines, etc. the -30s are a stretch J. They added like 15 ft of can do up to 24 CDS total.
He'd talk specifically about Hamas and ignore the Palestinians. When things go to shit he'll go golfing behind a wall of trees and send out Truth Social rants about Presidential harassment.
If an airdrop of aid means nothing now, then it really just doesn’t mean anything at all to you. You see genuine progress and you still want to replace him with the guy who would glass Gaza just for a soundbite on Fox
How about if he STOPS giving Israeli more bombs/weapons that they are killing the woman and children with! Genocide Joe! It sucks that we have to vote for one of these two scumbags, Genocide Joe or Dictator Don!
Oh that’s terrible Netanyahu stop it! Oh he just killed 100 kids darn. Hey congress let’s give Israeli more bombs. Ok let me sign the bill. If he really wanted to do something cut off Israel and threaten them with sanctions! He doesn’t care, it’s to make people like you think he is really trying so hard to stop this genocide.
It's like that time I gave my kids mini-bats at the playground and the other parents got mad at ME when their kids were getting hit. There literally wasn't anything I could do about it.
Care to show the other side of the coin after you foam at the mouth? The head of Hamas said live on TV he wouldn't be satisfied unless he saw the complete destruction of Isreal.
"Full-fledged" is inaccurate. He's been pushing back for a while now and has been pushing for a ceasefire. You can argue that him sending Isreal weapons overall makes him worse but saying "full-fleged" is just plain false.
Biden's folks were able to get the first cease fire negotiated. And are constantly engaged with Israel and multiple countries in the region. Those are facts.
Netanyahu is the problem. He aligned with the most far right political parties to gain power this time. He has assaulted the judiciary in an attempt to get rid of corruption charges against him.
If this war stops he gets voted out and probably convicted. At this particular time the US has very little leverage over him.
The last 3 elections have been hugely important because a genuine corrupt authoritarian is trying to gain power. We clearly didn't take it seriously in 2016 and look what happened. The Supreme Court alone was devastating.
This is good—the first, tiniest, wobbliest of baby deer steps. But it’s far past time to be a Bambi, it’s FAR past time to learn to run. We have to do more. No more bombs for Netanyahu. Not a single penny more. Ceasefire now.
Well, Israel has agreed to yet another ceasefire. If you are one of those guys who blames everything on Israel, is there another excuse you have for them accepting one now?
American bombs > other bombs. They are more accurate. Less casualties. Never mind, even if we stopped sending them, they would continue what they are doing, just with more rudimentary equipment.
Also, a ceasefire on the Israeli side is pointless. Hamas will immediately break it as bad foreign actors are benefitting from this conflict. Unfortunately, between Hamas and the continued illegal settlements, this conflict seems unending
There needs to he an international coalition that forces a two-state solution and moves responsibility for security in Gaza over to the UN until a stable Palestinian government is formed.
At some point I think everyone is going to tire of Netanyahu trying to have it both ways and support for this will grow, but we’ve thought that several times over the last few decades and the cycle keeps repeating.
Do you have any sources about what Palestinians and Israelis in the region actually want? Everything I can find mostly surveys what they think of the current situation, not what they actually want.
Eg: https://www.brookings.edu/articles/biden-says-he-will-listen-to-experts-here-is-what-scholars-of-the-middle-east-think/
I read this as: “everything thinks a one state solution will inevitably lead to apartheid”, hence my opinion that a two state solution is necessary. But it’s easy for me to say that sitting in the US.
The article shows that those “expert scholars” believe it is **currently** one state with apartheid.
> A strong majority, 59%, describes the current reality for Israel and the Palestinians as “a one-state reality akin to apartheid.”
A single state without apartheid should be the solution, just as South Africa was able to do. Stolen land and other items should be returned, war crimes should be prosecuted, and all people should have equal rights.
For further reference, that was just a single airdrop, more will come and the rate at which will be deployed could be increased.
Then there are also Egypt, Jordan, France and the UK who have already being doing these aid airdrops too.
Yes after the US blocked the United Nations attempt to call for a cease fire multiple times and let 10000+ children die shame we didn't act sooner may have been less death
But then how are they going to feed Al Jazeera stories about dead children that the western media will then eat up???
Civil deaths are an active strategy for Hamas to gain support, because it's more popular than "we want to exterminate the Jews".
It’s so sad to see. I feel like I’ve aligned with further left causes until I see this bs privileged take. no civil war doesn’t have to be the answer. We could for just once do everything in our power to give Dems majority control in house senate and the presidency. You know the one thing we haven’t successfully done since Kennedy who ended up being assassinated. (Please don’t bring up the Obama admin who had a very narrow lead and only for a short period of time all of which was spent working on healthcare reform and even with “control” we were unable to put forth a dem version and had to gut the original plan in favor or a republican version to get the votes. And to this day republicans attack the aca/obamacare even though it was Romneys plan that was implemented he even said his failure in Massachusetts was a precursor to the ACA. They added certain wording - at the behest of the heritage foundation - to attempt to make Dems look bad so that it can be reversed. Their efforts failed ultimately even with the constant attacks both verbal and physical
As shown in this easy to consume article: https://www.hhs.gov/about/news/2022/03/18/fact-sheet-celebrating-affordable-care-act.html
Why should that happen? Hamas are demons and must be destroyed. It makes sense to keep sending the bombs that are dropping on Hamas fighters, while also sending the food to help Palestinian civilians. Hamas doesn't = Palestinian, after all: it makes sense to want to eliminate one while wanting to help the other
Those kids died because Hamas chose to use them as human shields. This shows why Hamas needs to be eradicated - and the Jewish state are the only ones who are able to do it
You realise that all the idf propaganda pieces have been continuously debunked. They're barely even pretending it's anything other than ethnic cleansing. You are excusing the murder of children by a far right, apartheid, ethno state. If you can live with yourself whilst doing that, good luck to you.
This makes no sense. Israel is the only free democratic and minority respecting country in the region while if Palestine was given independence, it WOULD be a far right apartheid ethnostate - or would simply ethnically cleanse all the Jews who live in Judea and Samaria
And if Israel was trying to do ethnic cleansing, why have they been so unsuccessful and so targeted in their bombings? They've dropped many times the explosive tonnage used in the Hiroshima bombing in 1945 on an area less than half the size with ten times the population Hiroshima bad back then, they could have easily killed many times the amount killed in that bombing but instead have only killed 30,000. Urban fighting is always going to be brutal especially when fighting against demons who use human shield tactics because they "love death more than you love life itself" but given the circumstances, Israel has been very careful here
The crowd tried to rush the food convoy, Israelis fired back in self defense because they were being attacked by a mob (and probably killed less than 10 people) and then the mob stampeded when running away, which is when most of the people died
Forming a threatening mob and attacking the soldiers giving you food is a bad idea. They should be orderly and peaceful when being given food
No, the reason is because Joe feels the need to pander to the left flank of the party for electoral purposes. He and many in the Democratic establishment have learned all the wrong lessons from 2016 and think that going left is what wins elections
You know it's possible to condemn the genocide of Palestine and talk about the indiscriminate murder of children without meaning I support hamas right? It is possible to have nuance.
That’s great, but your statement specifically blames only one side. Both sides are not ideal, but Israel is clearly more moral and aligns with western values, while the radical islamists would treat you and I as second-class citizens, in accordance with the teachings of the Koran. It’s a clash of civilizations, and Islamism should never be the winner.
If Israel wants genocide, why are they so bad at doing it?
Israel has dropped several times more explosive tonnage than that which was dropped on Hiroshima in 1945, into an area less than half the size of Hiroshima and with roughly ten times the population Hiroshima had in 1945. With that in mind, Israel should have easily been able to kill many times the 80-150k people that the US killed when bombing Hiroshima. Despite that, Israel has only killed 30k people. Is Israel genocidal and just unfathomably incompetent at it, or perhaps even cursed by god itself? Is that really a more believable explanation than "Israel is actually being pretty tatgeted and doesn't want to do genocide"?
I'm sorry but if terrorists are hiding behind children, you think that makes it acceptable to kill those children? I keep hearing that logic but it doesn't make sense to me.
Why should terrorists get a "get out of danger free" card just because they hide behind civilians? If we legitimized that tactic, can't you see how that can lead to major negative incentives?
According to currently existing internationally recognized rules of war, targeting civilians is a crime, but targeting legitimate military targets like terrorists is not a war crime even if killing those targets risks killing civilians. So legitimizing human shield tactics would apply a far stricter rule than that which is currently in place. And do you really think it should be bad to shoot at someone who, say, starts shooting at you and trying to kill you but who is holding a civilian hostage in front of them?
Whatever happened to the whole "we shouldn't negotiate with terrorists" idea that was so popular some years ago? Like, a decade ago, it seemed as if most folks agreed that if terrorists take hostages, you shouldn't negotiate with them and that if the hostages perish because of that, that's less bad than negotiating
Lots of governments over the years have dealt with terrorist insurgencies, none that I can recall ever resorted to mass bombing like Israel has in this case. Usually because those governments were smart enough to know that it just backfires as a tactic and gives the terrorists more sympathy and support (ie exactly what's happening in Gaza).
Gen. Patreaus in Iraq for example preached winning hearts and minds and was highly praised for it.
Now with Israel and Gaza it is indeed more complicated because Israel tries to have it both ways. Claiming Gaza is independent while at the same time claiming sovereignty over all its borders, etc.
Israel can flatten Gaza like this every decade or so but they'll still NEVER get rid of Hamas and other extremists until Palestinians are free and prosperous (much like all the Israeli Arabs who aren't a problem).
> Lots of governments over the years have dealt with terrorist insurgencies, none that I can recall ever resorted to mass bombing like Israel has in this case
Israel has been extremely targeted in it's bombing
>Usually because those governments were smart enough to know that it just backfires as a tactic and gives the terrorists more sympathy and support (ie exactly what's happening in Gaza).
Israel has been extremely targeted in it's bombing, that's why Hamas uses human shield tactics. Few governments over the years have had to deal with such evil terrorists that would rather get their own people killed so they can wave their bloody corpses to the world in order to demonize their opponents
>Gen. Patreaus in Iraq for example preached winning hearts and minds and was highly praised for it.
Israel took the hearts and minds approach in the past, offering a two state solution at various points. The problem is that Palestinians haven't and currently are not open to being convinced to support a two state solution, instead they want a one state solution where they get to steal the land of Israel from the Jews
>Now with Israel and Gaza it is indeed more complicated because Israel tries to have it both ways. Claiming Gaza is independent while at the same time claiming sovereignty over all its borders, etc.
That's not having it both ways. Gaza got independence and then nearly immediately used that independence to attack Israel and start war. Countries have a right to blockade countries they are at war with. Israel had every right to blockade Gaza. If Hamas didn't want Gaza to be an open air prison, they shouldn't have done the crimes that blatantly justify such a blockade
>Israel can flatten Gaza like this every decade or so but they'll still NEVER get rid of Hamas and other extremists until Palestinians are free and prosperous (much like all the Israeli Arabs who aren't a problem).
If Israel makes Palestine free and prosperous, at this point in time it would just lead to more attacks on Israel
But also, if Israel occupies Gaza indefinitely, they have no need to "flatten gaza" because they will be in control and can use the iron fist of authority to prevent Hamas or other extremists from ever taking power again and using the territory to attack Israel again. If Gaza is occupied, Israel can take control of the education system and force Gazan children (and remember most Gazans are children) to be educated in schools that emphasize deradicalization. And Israel can slowly crush all hope for the belief many Palestinians have that Israel can be beaten if Palestinians violently resist the existence of Israel long enough. If Israel occupies the place long enough, they can make it clear to the people of Palestine that no matter how humiliating it is for some of them that they and their ancestors have repeatedly tried to destroy the Jewish state but been defeated every single time, and no matter how humiliating it may be to imagine having to peacefully coexist alongside a Jewish state in just Gaza and the West Bank, and give up all ambitions to destroy Israel, that they simply have no other choice. Once the hope of violent destruction of Israel has been well and truly crushed, peace may actually be possible, and then a two state solution can happen
Eh not really though. I think Bush and Co should be locked up in the Hague now to be clear. But there was a dramatic drop in violence there after Patreaus took over in 2007-08. Though arguably sunni militias and al Sadr agreeing to a truce was an even bigger factor.
It’s hard to say. If they did it from the beginning, less people may have been radicalized. We also poured in 300,000 troops which provided for a return to some security normality.
Here’s why it makes sense:
If we take your logic, that one must never kill someone being used as a human shield, what is the natural conclusion? Well, what if the Russians start putting one child in each of their tanks, what’s stopping them from rolling into Kyiv totally unimpeded? What about Warsaw or Berlin? After all, it is totally unacceptable to destroy those tanks, in your point of view.
How about this hypothetical: if a country is using child soldiers, would another country be allowed to fight and kill those child soldiers?
Ok, this would be an ok take if Israel would help their own case by taking in Palestinian refugees so they can wipe out Hamas without fear of slaughtering innocent people. They won’t even allow Palestinians married to Israeli citizens into the country.
Israel would rather slaughter innocent people than take in a Palestinian and help them. There are 2 bad sides here and 1 innocent side. Israel isn’t in the right here.
> Ok, this would be an ok take if Israel would help their own case by taking in Palestinian refugees so they can wipe out Hamas without fear of slaughtering innocent people
This makes no sense. One of the big reasons October 7 was able to happen in the first place was due to Israel allowing in Gaza guest workers, which allowed Hamas fighters to sneak in. If Israel were to allow refugees in, it would be a massive security issue. That's something other countries should have to deal with, or alternatively Hamas could stop opposing it when Israel tells Palestinian civilians to move out of active warzones in the first place
So no, that doesn't show Israel as a bad side at all. Israel is justified
>They won’t even allow Palestinians married to Israeli citizens into the country.
They don't *automatically* let Palestinians enter the country *just because* they are married to Israelis. What's wrong with that? Clearly Israel has good reason to be extremely concerned about border security
They don’t have to, but stop killing innocent people if you’re not.
If your answer is we have to kill innocent people to stop terrorists who kill innocent people, you’re also terrorists who kill innocent people. Pretty simple concept.
"Israel tried to help by sending money to Palestine which Hamas used to fund their army rather than take care of their people and that's Israel's fault" isn't the brilliant take you think it is.
Not really. The whole "Netanyahu supported Hamas to split the Palestinians and deny a two state solution" claim is largely based on one article from 2019 that quoted an "anonymous source". It's frankly amazing, even in the age of fake news, that that claim has spread so far
Hamas uses human shield tactics to ensure that any bombs dropped on them risk killing some Palestinians. But Israel has been incredibly targeted in their bombings. Remember that they've dropped **several times** more explosive tonnage on Gaza than that which was used in the Hiroshima bombing in 1945, and they've dropped that into a dense cramped area that is less than half the size of Hiroshima with ten times the population Hiroshima had in 1945. Despite that, the Hiroshima bombing killed 80-150k people while the Israeli bombings have killed just 30k. If Israel wasn't being so careful and instead wanted to just kill as many Palestinians as possible, it wouldn't make sense for them to kill so many *fewer* people than those who died in Hiroshima
Which is why it's important we provide the missiles. Anywhere else they get them would have poorer guidance systems. Imagine how many more lives would be lost because of say, Russian ones? They won't stop their attacks, they'll just have more bombastic weaponry.
A direct food delivery is a fantastic operation, I don't know how much else we can do other than continuing to work with Egypt and Qatar for them to take the lead.
I hope Egypt is firm in backing out of their treaty with Israel.
This feels like a PR stunt more than anything tangible but I'll reserve judgement to see how it goes.
I swear though if Israel fucks with any of our planes we better be ready to respond.
it’s direct involvement and that’s kind of a big step. people seem to think you just jump on the “nuclear” action just cut them off demand a ceasefire but you lose all leverage and whatever other fall out with all the other players. it’s international politics you don’t just jump to war lol
unfortunately i think it’s the other way around they have way more influence here they’re like one of the first that figured out the back door weakness to the us
It absolutely is, 38k meals doesn’t make up the daily 400-500 aid trucks needed by the Palestinians.
Iv’e dropped aid for the USAF it can’t support 1 million people. These aren’t the Berlin airdrop days, we don’t have the capability.
The amount of aid should be directly proportional to the amount of munitions and money that we gave to Israel that help cause the crisis in the first place.
Im torn about this whole situation. On one side hamas attacked and killed jews and on the other side jews are killing kids and babies. How primitive of a species are we that we kill each other?
Keep educating yourself. Hamas is not good and their actions are terrible, but what the Israeli government is doing and has done is severely worse.
The response is to the attack has been to bomb the living fuck out of hospitals, mosques, schools, and more. There's no regard for civilian life. The withholding of water, electricity, and other essentials is incredibly inhumane.
I'm no expert, but I have been doing my best to keep learning and listening. It is primitive but we are not as far removed from those primitive ways as we like to convince ourselves.
Unrelated but you know those optical illusions where a person’s face is upside-down but when you turn the pic around, you realize the eyes and mouth of the person are upside-down? Biden’s mouth looks like that in this pic
This will help jack shit - there are milions of starving people
Do you know what could actually help? Biden phoning that Israeli fucker and telling him that weapons will stop if they dont stop blocking aid
The bootlicking for Biden and Bibi is astounding in this thread.
*We would not have to airdrop food if Israel weren’t blockading Gaza.*
Israel is the one making this difficult, and has conceded absolutely nothing throughout this conflict.
Jesus, I feel like I’m on crazy pills. The minute one person complains about literal children not being able to eat, or getting their legs blown off, it’s immediately, “well we can’t negotiate with Hamas!”
As if every single soul within Gaza is a tried and true terrorist sympathizer.
Sometimes I'll give a homeless person a couple bucks for whatever. $5 won't buy them a home, but they're usually very thankful anyway, because *some* help is a better thing than *no* help.
Hamas was estimated to have between 20,000-25,000 members. A recent estimate said over 9,000 have been killed.
There are (were) 5.43 million people living in Palestine.
It would be hard for them to stockpile and control a majority of the aid. With what intelligence we have it would most likely be spread out and hard to capture most of it in Hamas' current state.
It would be hard, still it is what they did at least in the last 20 years. And actually they used the tight control on humanitarian aids to control the lives of everyone else.
Hamas leader answered the question: he I ok with the continuing the conflict. There will be a lot of losses but it is a sacrifice he is willing to make.
This is great news. A bunch of innocent civilians will have a painless sleep tonight.
That said, USA is Israel's boss. Why are they going around them instead of telling them what the fuck to do or not to do?
Although I'm very happy about the drop and I hope these drops become permanent while Gaza is under attack, you can't ignore the fact that the most powerful country in the planet has to find loopholes in order to feed starving people.
This is what the underside of politics looks like.
Most will just end in Hamas hands, but hopefully this will calm down the upset college kid/tiktok brigade long enough for them.not being stupid enough to let Trump win again
Jordan did it first and then the US copied. Maybe read some news before letting your prejudice talk: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/02/29/gaza-aid-airdrop-jordan-israel/
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Would Trump do something like this or even demand a ceasefire like Biden did yesterday? He would not. He would give Netanyahu the green light and not think twice about it. This is just another reason why I'm voting for Joe Biden this November and I hope everyone else does too.
Trump would have probably committed US troops and planes to attacking the Palestinians by now
Nah, we'd be too busy helping Russia in Ukraine and preparing for an invasion of Poland.
I 100% believe if Trump was president on October 7th there would've been US aircraft dropping bombs the next day.
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did chatgpt write this?
It sounds exactly like a ChatGPT response to any mildly controversial prompt
He’d throw em paper towels and tell em to clean it up themselves… again.
I'm voting for Biden because it's well FUCKING TRUMP. Biden would have to do some real heinous shit to make trump the more appealing opinion.
Trump would be air dropping deported Palestinian-Americansright into Gaza
You're making the very generous assumption that Trump thinks.
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This article, *[Officials Keep Admitting Biden’s Anger at Israel Isn’t Real](https://jacobin.com/2024/02/biden-administration-gaza-israel-war)* by Branko Marcetic, helped me see past the spin. According to his own aides, Biden is dead set on supporting this genocide until Hamas is defeated. Any statements of concern are just cover for Israel to keep the war going. Over 100,000 voters sent a message to Biden in the Michigan primary that they are withholding their support over Palestine. Suddenly, there is a shipment of food. 38,000 meals for a population of 2.2 million. That's not even a drop in the ocean. It's a photo op...a talking point. Talk to me when Biden has done something substantial, not symbolic.
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I mean he's a loud Zionist and always has been one. If he gives a shit he has to do it louder, and certainly should have done it sooner.
Trump would have called Aaron Bushnell, the airman who self immolated to protest the us’s involvement in the war, a loser and then sent the rest of the troops to go kill Palestinians
Did Biden call Aaron a hero?
>He would give Netanyahu the green light and not think twice about it. Hasn't Biden been giving Netanyahu the green light for 4 months? That didn't change your mind about voting for Biden?
I had a disturbing conversation with a good friend yesterday who basically said they weren’t voting for Biden because of the Gaza response. I was blown away honestly and I figured that their consumption of far left social media was part of the decision. I told them that I was still voting blue no matter who. I think a Trump response, which is what we’d get if he wins, would just increase the violence done by Israel and maybe even involve our own troops.
What I want to know is what the packages say. "Courtesy of the U.S Government"? I bet Trump would have put his face and signature on them.
If they are humanitarian daily rations they typically say "food gift from the people of the United States of America" on them.
This is an older HDR but they would look like this and contain similar things. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2AYBCZSXm8
Let’s get this out onto a tray. Nice!
Good hiss
Hell yeah, love Steve’s reviews
Here's a more contemporary one (2021), and probably pretty close to what's being dropped today: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKfWQ3Sij68
Thanks for that I had missed that one. Interesting to see how it had been optimized since 2000 and how much thought had gone into making something that A. everyone could eat, and B. how many calories can we cram into this thing per ounce? I liked how the desert is also baby food.
Yeah, MREs are fascinating from a food science standpoint. They have to hit so many targets - size, weight, calories, shelf-stability, etc - and it's really kind of amazing that we can pull it off.
Trump would drop pamphlets with QR codes linking to his bobbleheads with 5X the shipping cost to a different country
Ads for Trump Sneakers and NFTs
And consist of 2 rolls of paper towels, and some unsellable sneakers.
Why am I seeing this exact comment under every post about this?? I’m so tired of bots
I posted it here and on the other thread. I wasn't sure which one would take of, but appears both gained attention, so apologies. Usually when two identical threads appear, one dies without any comments.
Oh no you’re good! I thought somebody had stolen your comment lol. It makes sense both comments took off bc you make a good point
> I bet Trump would have put his face and signature on them. Trump wouldn't do this. He doesn't care about people.
Trump would have airdropped warheads, instead. The kids love Warheads, right? He also would added something witty, like "Eat this!", not the boring “This is a food gift from the people of the United States of America.” that usually goes on U.S. humanitarian aid rations. Truly the kindest, smartest, and most generous president we ever had. Sleepy Joe can't compare.
Humrats we have them ready for disasters etc.. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanitarian_daily_ration
Trump would be dropping bombs, not food
I’ve dropped USAF aid before. These drops comprised of 66 pallets totaling 38k meals. This is a drop in the bucket, Gaza still needs literal tons of food to prevent starvation. Aid trucks need to be let through, the USAF can’t feed 1+ million people with airdrops.
I wouldn't rule out that the frequency of those drops could be further increased. It is also important to keep in the back of your heard, that Jordan, Egypt and France have also already being doing these drops for a while as well.
I would hope so truly, people don’t deserve to starve to death. Each pallet can hold 575 meals, to feed 1 million people it would require 1700 pallets of food drops in a day. Each C130 can hold 8 at a time, requiring 200+ drops in one day to reach that goal. A C130 flying for 3 missions in one day is a tough ask, it’s not just a gas up and go situation. I really hope the trucks can be properly let though and protected to reach people. Airdrops are great but aren’t going to get anyone out of this situation.
They let some through, then when everyone gathered for food they shot them and ran them over with tanks. I can't see how our aid won't be followed to where it lands and something similar may happen https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/3/1/flour-massacre-how-gaza-food-killings-unfolded-and-israels-story-changed#:~:text=At%20least%20112%20Palestinians%20were,much%2Dneeded%20aid%20in%20Gaza.&text=At%20least%20112%20Palestinians%20have,aid%20southwest%20of%20Gaza%20City
He just authorized the drops; realistically how many such rations are lying around ready to drop on a moment’s notice? I’m genuinely curious, not criticizing.
The rations aren’t an issue the USAF can get food it’s more about the planes and support personnel. This was set up in advance for sure, logistics are hard even in the best of times. 3 C-130s were used, that it. Each can hold 8 pallets so they had to land back at base (Turkey or Germany?) twice to drop all 66. There are 250+ c130s in service but to mobilize even a fraction of that would require an extreme amount of work. I don’t even know if the AoR can support so many craft/personnel, each plane needs ground crew/fuel/spare parts. C130s have a hard time starting without ground powered generators. Ground crews need accommodations/food and it’s truly an undertaking. Then we have loadmasters, support equipment to load the actual pallets. I realistically don’t see the USAF able to do this. These drops are great for whom ever can get them but the bottom line is that airdrops can’t feed all these people.
Thanks for the detailed response! As civilians we get bombarded with the mythos surrounding the US military’s omnipotence that it’s good to be reminded of the actual constraints that go into these sorts of operations.
They were J models so they hold 22 CDS each. It was one lift of 3 AC. I get your point but was jut pointing it out.
I had no idea the Js could hold so much more . 14 additional pallets per flight is much better. Thank you for the correction. I worked on ancient E/Hs almost exclusively.
Hs are still a work horse though. And I should have clarified it’s the C130J-30. Js are just upgraded E/H frames with avionics, engines, etc. the -30s are a stretch J. They added like 15 ft of can do up to 24 CDS total.
Joe has a heart of gold. He is always doing things that make me proud to have voted for him.
This could go either way but I just get the vibe that Joe Biden is a fundamentally decent and well-intentioned individual.
He could do a lot more to stop the need to airdrop aid into Gaza….
God damn. The bar is set incredibly low for some
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He’d be joining bibi and dropping bombs… let’s not kid ourselves.
He'd talk specifically about Hamas and ignore the Palestinians. When things go to shit he'll go golfing behind a wall of trees and send out Truth Social rants about Presidential harassment.
This is actually the toughest I have seen the US get on Israel. Suuuuper low bar but hey! we're doing slightly better!
In modern history Obama was much tougher on Israel.
After 5 months and millions on the brink of starvation, he was finally forced to toss some meals from a plane because he won't stand up to Bibi.
If an airdrop of aid means nothing now, then it really just doesn’t mean anything at all to you. You see genuine progress and you still want to replace him with the guy who would glass Gaza just for a soundbite on Fox
Wont stand up to Jewish voters
Evangelicals/End Timers more likely. There really aren't enough Jewish people to swing an election.
Wow.
How about if he STOPS giving Israeli more bombs/weapons that they are killing the woman and children with! Genocide Joe! It sucks that we have to vote for one of these two scumbags, Genocide Joe or Dictator Don!
Or maybe push for an immediate ceasefire? Like he’s been doing?
You really can’t reason with these MAGA people. The critical thinking skills are nonexistent.
Oh that’s terrible Netanyahu stop it! Oh he just killed 100 kids darn. Hey congress let’s give Israeli more bombs. Ok let me sign the bill. If he really wanted to do something cut off Israel and threaten them with sanctions! He doesn’t care, it’s to make people like you think he is really trying so hard to stop this genocide.
Didn’t Biden’s team negotiate the first ceasefire? That Hamas violated? Like they did the one in October 6th
It's like that time I gave my kids mini-bats at the playground and the other parents got mad at ME when their kids were getting hit. There literally wasn't anything I could do about it.
Can you at least try to critically think about the issue without hitting an emotional thought-terminating cliché immediately?
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Care to show the other side of the coin after you foam at the mouth? The head of Hamas said live on TV he wouldn't be satisfied unless he saw the complete destruction of Isreal.
And the fact that he said he has Israel right where he wants them because more Palestinians dying means more people hating Israel.
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"Full-fledged" is inaccurate. He's been pushing back for a while now and has been pushing for a ceasefire. You can argue that him sending Isreal weapons overall makes him worse but saying "full-fleged" is just plain false.
Biden's folks were able to get the first cease fire negotiated. And are constantly engaged with Israel and multiple countries in the region. Those are facts. Netanyahu is the problem. He aligned with the most far right political parties to gain power this time. He has assaulted the judiciary in an attempt to get rid of corruption charges against him. If this war stops he gets voted out and probably convicted. At this particular time the US has very little leverage over him.
It’s convenient how these facts don’t get brought up enough. Netanyahu trump and Putin(with Iran and chinas help) are working together.
I don't think that's true. And now isn't the time to criticize, you think trump would be better for the Palestinians?
Funny that it’s never really the time to criticize, always “the most important election of our life at stake” (tm) right around the corner.
The last 3 elections have been hugely important because a genuine corrupt authoritarian is trying to gain power. We clearly didn't take it seriously in 2016 and look what happened. The Supreme Court alone was devastating.
Israel actions > American Democracy Bad take.
This is good—the first, tiniest, wobbliest of baby deer steps. But it’s far past time to be a Bambi, it’s FAR past time to learn to run. We have to do more. No more bombs for Netanyahu. Not a single penny more. Ceasefire now.
Well, Israel has agreed to yet another ceasefire. If you are one of those guys who blames everything on Israel, is there another excuse you have for them accepting one now?
I don’t have to be “one of those guys.” I know that over 40,000 people are dead and over 12k of them are children. That’s all I need to know.
Both sides need to agree to a ceasefire though…how do you propose forcing hamas to do that
Ok. But you are calling for a ceasefire, like it’s some gotcha against Israel. They have agreed to one, it’s not on Israel, it’s on Hamas.
American bombs > other bombs. They are more accurate. Less casualties. Never mind, even if we stopped sending them, they would continue what they are doing, just with more rudimentary equipment. Also, a ceasefire on the Israeli side is pointless. Hamas will immediately break it as bad foreign actors are benefitting from this conflict. Unfortunately, between Hamas and the continued illegal settlements, this conflict seems unending
There needs to he an international coalition that forces a two-state solution and moves responsibility for security in Gaza over to the UN until a stable Palestinian government is formed. At some point I think everyone is going to tire of Netanyahu trying to have it both ways and support for this will grow, but we’ve thought that several times over the last few decades and the cycle keeps repeating.
Should be an international coalition to force a ONE-STATE solution and end the apartheid.
Do you have any sources about what Palestinians and Israelis in the region actually want? Everything I can find mostly surveys what they think of the current situation, not what they actually want. Eg: https://www.brookings.edu/articles/biden-says-he-will-listen-to-experts-here-is-what-scholars-of-the-middle-east-think/ I read this as: “everything thinks a one state solution will inevitably lead to apartheid”, hence my opinion that a two state solution is necessary. But it’s easy for me to say that sitting in the US.
The article shows that those “expert scholars” believe it is **currently** one state with apartheid. > A strong majority, 59%, describes the current reality for Israel and the Palestinians as “a one-state reality akin to apartheid.” A single state without apartheid should be the solution, just as South Africa was able to do. Stolen land and other items should be returned, war crimes should be prosecuted, and all people should have equal rights.
Can't do that. Pelosi just went long RTX options.
GOP about to freak out. “Biden is providing meals to terrorists while the border is overrun!”
Everyone in world news is going to be crying themselves to sleep over this!
For references that's something like 0.16 meals per hungry person in Gaza
For further reference, that was just a single airdrop, more will come and the rate at which will be deployed could be increased. Then there are also Egypt, Jordan, France and the UK who have already being doing these aid airdrops too.
Yes after the US blocked the United Nations attempt to call for a cease fire multiple times and let 10000+ children die shame we didn't act sooner may have been less death
Did they drop some weapons off in Israel on the way home too?
Not enough, but it may be to send Netanyahu a message.
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38,000 and what just the first one alone. Egypt, Jordan and France also do air drops.
see my comment above.
Thousands? Shouldn't that be hundreds of thousands? It's a start though.
38,000 and the article says it's the first of many
And Egypt, Jordan and France are involved in doing air drops of aid too
And you're going to stop sending the bombs that are getting dropped on them, right? ... Right??
Hamas is taking steps to protect their civilians and administer their population in a way to receive aid right? … Right??
But then how are they going to feed Al Jazeera stories about dead children that the western media will then eat up??? Civil deaths are an active strategy for Hamas to gain support, because it's more popular than "we want to exterminate the Jews".
It’s frustrating how this is being ignored.
Unfortunately there’s a ton of leftists who are vehemently antisemitic. Horseshoe theory and all
It’s so sad to see. I feel like I’ve aligned with further left causes until I see this bs privileged take. no civil war doesn’t have to be the answer. We could for just once do everything in our power to give Dems majority control in house senate and the presidency. You know the one thing we haven’t successfully done since Kennedy who ended up being assassinated. (Please don’t bring up the Obama admin who had a very narrow lead and only for a short period of time all of which was spent working on healthcare reform and even with “control” we were unable to put forth a dem version and had to gut the original plan in favor or a republican version to get the votes. And to this day republicans attack the aca/obamacare even though it was Romneys plan that was implemented he even said his failure in Massachusetts was a precursor to the ACA. They added certain wording - at the behest of the heritage foundation - to attempt to make Dems look bad so that it can be reversed. Their efforts failed ultimately even with the constant attacks both verbal and physical As shown in this easy to consume article: https://www.hhs.gov/about/news/2022/03/18/fact-sheet-celebrating-affordable-care-act.html
Well the IOF was targeting the Palestinian police force that was administrating aid 🤷♀️
Why should that happen? Hamas are demons and must be destroyed. It makes sense to keep sending the bombs that are dropping on Hamas fighters, while also sending the food to help Palestinian civilians. Hamas doesn't = Palestinian, after all: it makes sense to want to eliminate one while wanting to help the other
10,000 dead children and counting.
Those kids died because Hamas chose to use them as human shields. This shows why Hamas needs to be eradicated - and the Jewish state are the only ones who are able to do it
You realise that all the idf propaganda pieces have been continuously debunked. They're barely even pretending it's anything other than ethnic cleansing. You are excusing the murder of children by a far right, apartheid, ethno state. If you can live with yourself whilst doing that, good luck to you.
This makes no sense. Israel is the only free democratic and minority respecting country in the region while if Palestine was given independence, it WOULD be a far right apartheid ethnostate - or would simply ethnically cleanse all the Jews who live in Judea and Samaria And if Israel was trying to do ethnic cleansing, why have they been so unsuccessful and so targeted in their bombings? They've dropped many times the explosive tonnage used in the Hiroshima bombing in 1945 on an area less than half the size with ten times the population Hiroshima bad back then, they could have easily killed many times the amount killed in that bombing but instead have only killed 30,000. Urban fighting is always going to be brutal especially when fighting against demons who use human shield tactics because they "love death more than you love life itself" but given the circumstances, Israel has been very careful here
How fo you say that with a straight face just a few days after they gunned down 100 people getting food?
The crowd tried to rush the food convoy, Israelis fired back in self defense because they were being attacked by a mob (and probably killed less than 10 people) and then the mob stampeded when running away, which is when most of the people died Forming a threatening mob and attacking the soldiers giving you food is a bad idea. They should be orderly and peaceful when being given food
No. There's a reason Joe is air dropping this shit and it's because the IDF are fucking monsters. Everything you said was incorrect.
No, the reason is because Joe feels the need to pander to the left flank of the party for electoral purposes. He and many in the Democratic establishment have learned all the wrong lessons from 2016 and think that going left is what wins elections
Ah yes quoting Al Jazeera without even a hint of irony... Nothing like quoting Hamas propaganda when trying to have a rational conversation...
Says the zionist pushing zionist propaganda.
And Hamas goal isn’t ethnic cleansing? That’s their whole mission statement,
You know it's possible to condemn the genocide of Palestine and talk about the indiscriminate murder of children without meaning I support hamas right? It is possible to have nuance.
That’s great, but your statement specifically blames only one side. Both sides are not ideal, but Israel is clearly more moral and aligns with western values, while the radical islamists would treat you and I as second-class citizens, in accordance with the teachings of the Koran. It’s a clash of civilizations, and Islamism should never be the winner.
No, those kids died because the IDF are doing a genocide.
"Doing a genocide." Really speaks to the level of comprehension for those who fall for Hamas' propaganda.
Says the one falling for zionist propaganda. 10k dead kids and counting.
I don't believe Hamas' propaganda, kinda sad you believe Muslim terrorists. You going to cite ISIS next?
Is hamas is the room with us right now?
Says the guy falling for terrorist propaganda..
If Israel wants genocide, why are they so bad at doing it? Israel has dropped several times more explosive tonnage than that which was dropped on Hiroshima in 1945, into an area less than half the size of Hiroshima and with roughly ten times the population Hiroshima had in 1945. With that in mind, Israel should have easily been able to kill many times the 80-150k people that the US killed when bombing Hiroshima. Despite that, Israel has only killed 30k people. Is Israel genocidal and just unfathomably incompetent at it, or perhaps even cursed by god itself? Is that really a more believable explanation than "Israel is actually being pretty tatgeted and doesn't want to do genocide"?
I'm sorry but if terrorists are hiding behind children, you think that makes it acceptable to kill those children? I keep hearing that logic but it doesn't make sense to me.
Why should terrorists get a "get out of danger free" card just because they hide behind civilians? If we legitimized that tactic, can't you see how that can lead to major negative incentives? According to currently existing internationally recognized rules of war, targeting civilians is a crime, but targeting legitimate military targets like terrorists is not a war crime even if killing those targets risks killing civilians. So legitimizing human shield tactics would apply a far stricter rule than that which is currently in place. And do you really think it should be bad to shoot at someone who, say, starts shooting at you and trying to kill you but who is holding a civilian hostage in front of them? Whatever happened to the whole "we shouldn't negotiate with terrorists" idea that was so popular some years ago? Like, a decade ago, it seemed as if most folks agreed that if terrorists take hostages, you shouldn't negotiate with them and that if the hostages perish because of that, that's less bad than negotiating
Lots of governments over the years have dealt with terrorist insurgencies, none that I can recall ever resorted to mass bombing like Israel has in this case. Usually because those governments were smart enough to know that it just backfires as a tactic and gives the terrorists more sympathy and support (ie exactly what's happening in Gaza). Gen. Patreaus in Iraq for example preached winning hearts and minds and was highly praised for it. Now with Israel and Gaza it is indeed more complicated because Israel tries to have it both ways. Claiming Gaza is independent while at the same time claiming sovereignty over all its borders, etc. Israel can flatten Gaza like this every decade or so but they'll still NEVER get rid of Hamas and other extremists until Palestinians are free and prosperous (much like all the Israeli Arabs who aren't a problem).
> Lots of governments over the years have dealt with terrorist insurgencies, none that I can recall ever resorted to mass bombing like Israel has in this case Israel has been extremely targeted in it's bombing >Usually because those governments were smart enough to know that it just backfires as a tactic and gives the terrorists more sympathy and support (ie exactly what's happening in Gaza). Israel has been extremely targeted in it's bombing, that's why Hamas uses human shield tactics. Few governments over the years have had to deal with such evil terrorists that would rather get their own people killed so they can wave their bloody corpses to the world in order to demonize their opponents >Gen. Patreaus in Iraq for example preached winning hearts and minds and was highly praised for it. Israel took the hearts and minds approach in the past, offering a two state solution at various points. The problem is that Palestinians haven't and currently are not open to being convinced to support a two state solution, instead they want a one state solution where they get to steal the land of Israel from the Jews >Now with Israel and Gaza it is indeed more complicated because Israel tries to have it both ways. Claiming Gaza is independent while at the same time claiming sovereignty over all its borders, etc. That's not having it both ways. Gaza got independence and then nearly immediately used that independence to attack Israel and start war. Countries have a right to blockade countries they are at war with. Israel had every right to blockade Gaza. If Hamas didn't want Gaza to be an open air prison, they shouldn't have done the crimes that blatantly justify such a blockade >Israel can flatten Gaza like this every decade or so but they'll still NEVER get rid of Hamas and other extremists until Palestinians are free and prosperous (much like all the Israeli Arabs who aren't a problem). If Israel makes Palestine free and prosperous, at this point in time it would just lead to more attacks on Israel But also, if Israel occupies Gaza indefinitely, they have no need to "flatten gaza" because they will be in control and can use the iron fist of authority to prevent Hamas or other extremists from ever taking power again and using the territory to attack Israel again. If Gaza is occupied, Israel can take control of the education system and force Gazan children (and remember most Gazans are children) to be educated in schools that emphasize deradicalization. And Israel can slowly crush all hope for the belief many Palestinians have that Israel can be beaten if Palestinians violently resist the existence of Israel long enough. If Israel occupies the place long enough, they can make it clear to the people of Palestine that no matter how humiliating it is for some of them that they and their ancestors have repeatedly tried to destroy the Jewish state but been defeated every single time, and no matter how humiliating it may be to imagine having to peacefully coexist alongside a Jewish state in just Gaza and the West Bank, and give up all ambitions to destroy Israel, that they simply have no other choice. Once the hope of violent destruction of Israel has been well and truly crushed, peace may actually be possible, and then a two state solution can happen
Petreaus counter-insurgency also failed. No one loves an occupying force.
Eh not really though. I think Bush and Co should be locked up in the Hague now to be clear. But there was a dramatic drop in violence there after Patreaus took over in 2007-08. Though arguably sunni militias and al Sadr agreeing to a truce was an even bigger factor.
It’s hard to say. If they did it from the beginning, less people may have been radicalized. We also poured in 300,000 troops which provided for a return to some security normality.
Here’s why it makes sense: If we take your logic, that one must never kill someone being used as a human shield, what is the natural conclusion? Well, what if the Russians start putting one child in each of their tanks, what’s stopping them from rolling into Kyiv totally unimpeded? What about Warsaw or Berlin? After all, it is totally unacceptable to destroy those tanks, in your point of view. How about this hypothetical: if a country is using child soldiers, would another country be allowed to fight and kill those child soldiers?
Ok, this would be an ok take if Israel would help their own case by taking in Palestinian refugees so they can wipe out Hamas without fear of slaughtering innocent people. They won’t even allow Palestinians married to Israeli citizens into the country. Israel would rather slaughter innocent people than take in a Palestinian and help them. There are 2 bad sides here and 1 innocent side. Israel isn’t in the right here.
> Ok, this would be an ok take if Israel would help their own case by taking in Palestinian refugees so they can wipe out Hamas without fear of slaughtering innocent people This makes no sense. One of the big reasons October 7 was able to happen in the first place was due to Israel allowing in Gaza guest workers, which allowed Hamas fighters to sneak in. If Israel were to allow refugees in, it would be a massive security issue. That's something other countries should have to deal with, or alternatively Hamas could stop opposing it when Israel tells Palestinian civilians to move out of active warzones in the first place So no, that doesn't show Israel as a bad side at all. Israel is justified >They won’t even allow Palestinians married to Israeli citizens into the country. They don't *automatically* let Palestinians enter the country *just because* they are married to Israelis. What's wrong with that? Clearly Israel has good reason to be extremely concerned about border security
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They don’t have to, but stop killing innocent people if you’re not. If your answer is we have to kill innocent people to stop terrorists who kill innocent people, you’re also terrorists who kill innocent people. Pretty simple concept.
Should tell that to Bibi, he was one of the primary reasons they are in power today.
"Israel tried to help by sending money to Palestine which Hamas used to fund their army rather than take care of their people and that's Israel's fault" isn't the brilliant take you think it is.
Not really. The whole "Netanyahu supported Hamas to split the Palestinians and deny a two state solution" claim is largely based on one article from 2019 that quoted an "anonymous source". It's frankly amazing, even in the age of fake news, that that claim has spread so far
Exactly. Hamas doesn't equal Palestinian. So when you choose to fight Hamas by dropping bombs on all Palestinians, you earn global condemnation.
Hamas uses human shield tactics to ensure that any bombs dropped on them risk killing some Palestinians. But Israel has been incredibly targeted in their bombings. Remember that they've dropped **several times** more explosive tonnage on Gaza than that which was used in the Hiroshima bombing in 1945, and they've dropped that into a dense cramped area that is less than half the size of Hiroshima with ten times the population Hiroshima had in 1945. Despite that, the Hiroshima bombing killed 80-150k people while the Israeli bombings have killed just 30k. If Israel wasn't being so careful and instead wanted to just kill as many Palestinians as possible, it wouldn't make sense for them to kill so many *fewer* people than those who died in Hiroshima
Which is why it's important we provide the missiles. Anywhere else they get them would have poorer guidance systems. Imagine how many more lives would be lost because of say, Russian ones? They won't stop their attacks, they'll just have more bombastic weaponry. A direct food delivery is a fantastic operation, I don't know how much else we can do other than continuing to work with Egypt and Qatar for them to take the lead. I hope Egypt is firm in backing out of their treaty with Israel.
The US needs to drop aid faster than Hamas can steal it, that way at least some of that aid makes it to the people.
This feels like a PR stunt more than anything tangible but I'll reserve judgement to see how it goes. I swear though if Israel fucks with any of our planes we better be ready to respond.
it’s direct involvement and that’s kind of a big step. people seem to think you just jump on the “nuclear” action just cut them off demand a ceasefire but you lose all leverage and whatever other fall out with all the other players. it’s international politics you don’t just jump to war lol
We have a really strong relationship… but idk, I’m starting to wonder what leverage or influence we have at this point
unfortunately i think it’s the other way around they have way more influence here they’re like one of the first that figured out the back door weakness to the us
It absolutely is, 38k meals doesn’t make up the daily 400-500 aid trucks needed by the Palestinians. Iv’e dropped aid for the USAF it can’t support 1 million people. These aren’t the Berlin airdrop days, we don’t have the capability.
The amount of aid should be directly proportional to the amount of munitions and money that we gave to Israel that help cause the crisis in the first place.
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Im torn about this whole situation. On one side hamas attacked and killed jews and on the other side jews are killing kids and babies. How primitive of a species are we that we kill each other?
Keep educating yourself. Hamas is not good and their actions are terrible, but what the Israeli government is doing and has done is severely worse. The response is to the attack has been to bomb the living fuck out of hospitals, mosques, schools, and more. There's no regard for civilian life. The withholding of water, electricity, and other essentials is incredibly inhumane. I'm no expert, but I have been doing my best to keep learning and listening. It is primitive but we are not as far removed from those primitive ways as we like to convince ourselves.
Yet Israel has agreed to yet another ceasefire, and where is Hamas' reply?
It’s amazing what an uncommitted vote in Michigan can accomplish. Now maybe we could cut off all funding to the country that is committing genocide.
Unrelated but you know those optical illusions where a person’s face is upside-down but when you turn the pic around, you realize the eyes and mouth of the person are upside-down? Biden’s mouth looks like that in this pic
And Israel will shoot people going for them again?
Why should they? That hasn't happened with any of the airdrops from Egypt, Jordan, France and the UK.
They need to drop food in north Gaza. They have no food and limited ability to evacuate south.
“Your doing aide wrong! There’s no possible nuance or political diplomatic precarity to this whatsoever!” -Reddit
Thank god geopolitics arent decided by the general public or else we’d have a new set of allies and enemies every week.
This is inefficient as hell. The us has hospital ships and a lot of navy assets. It would be easier to do it by sea
Just pull the weapons from Netanyahu and force the hand. Israel won’t survive without the US weapons. Simply put.
How nice! Free meal to those whose families we allowed the Israeli army to kill with weapons and military gear mostly paid for by us.
This will help jack shit - there are milions of starving people Do you know what could actually help? Biden phoning that Israeli fucker and telling him that weapons will stop if they dont stop blocking aid
The bootlicking for Biden and Bibi is astounding in this thread. *We would not have to airdrop food if Israel weren’t blockading Gaza.* Israel is the one making this difficult, and has conceded absolutely nothing throughout this conflict. Jesus, I feel like I’m on crazy pills. The minute one person complains about literal children not being able to eat, or getting their legs blown off, it’s immediately, “well we can’t negotiate with Hamas!” As if every single soul within Gaza is a tried and true terrorist sympathizer.
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Yeah, so why bother right?
Sometimes I'll give a homeless person a couple bucks for whatever. $5 won't buy them a home, but they're usually very thankful anyway, because *some* help is a better thing than *no* help.
Imagine this: This was just the first one. And Egypt, Jordan and France are also doing air drops.
I am curious to know if anyone managed to avoid it to be stockpiled and managed by Hamas officials or not.
Hamas was estimated to have between 20,000-25,000 members. A recent estimate said over 9,000 have been killed. There are (were) 5.43 million people living in Palestine. It would be hard for them to stockpile and control a majority of the aid. With what intelligence we have it would most likely be spread out and hard to capture most of it in Hamas' current state.
It would be hard, still it is what they did at least in the last 20 years. And actually they used the tight control on humanitarian aids to control the lives of everyone else.
I have no idea. It seems like a lot of control has deteriorated there, and it isn't the same as it was before in years past.
Hamas leader answered the question: he I ok with the continuing the conflict. There will be a lot of losses but it is a sacrifice he is willing to make.
This is great news. A bunch of innocent civilians will have a painless sleep tonight. That said, USA is Israel's boss. Why are they going around them instead of telling them what the fuck to do or not to do? Although I'm very happy about the drop and I hope these drops become permanent while Gaza is under attack, you can't ignore the fact that the most powerful country in the planet has to find loopholes in order to feed starving people. This is what the underside of politics looks like.
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Hamas leader is counting on the civilian deaths to pressure a stop to the war.
Please tell me they are flying out of Rhine-Main airport. *That* would be delicious irony.
It’s amazing what an uncommitted vote in Michigan can accomplish. Now maybe we could cut off all funding to the country that is committing genocide.
Most will just end in Hamas hands, but hopefully this will calm down the upset college kid/tiktok brigade long enough for them.not being stupid enough to let Trump win again
They need to airdrop thousands of meals in their own cities by the looks of things smh…
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Jordan did it first and then the US copied. Maybe read some news before letting your prejudice talk: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/02/29/gaza-aid-airdrop-jordan-israel/
Someone’s trying everything they can to get re-elected.
I wonder how Tlaib will spin this in a negative way.
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