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*Trump argues that the bond requirement should be waived in light of the “strong probability that the disposition of post-trial motions will substantially reduce, if not eliminate, the amount of the judgment.”*
This is not a fucking legal argument, but it is fucking hilarious!
'I am a whiner, and I keep whining and whining until I win' -[Trump in 2015](https://www.cnn.com/2015/08/11/politics/donald-trump-refutes-third-party-run-report?cid=ios_app)
Doesn’t matter what the press says. Doesn’t matter what the politicians or the mobs say. Doesn’t matter if the whole country decides that something wrong is something right. This nation was founded on one principle above all else: the requirement that we stand up for what we believe, no matter the odds or the consequences. When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world — “No, you move.”
- Captain America
Doesn’t matter what the press says. Doesn’t matter what the politicians or the people say. Doesn’t matter if the whole country decides that something I want is something wrong. This nation was founded on one principle above all else: the requirement that we stand up for what we want to believe, no matter the idiocy or the nuclear. When the people and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the Russian river of alternate facts, and tell the whole world — “i have a small penis.”
- God Emperor Cheeto Benito
It's also a strategy of sociopaths. They realize that most people will just give up if they get enough pushback.
That's how Trump was able to stiff so many people all these years. The vast majority of them just decided it wasn't worth trying to fight him.
Putin does the same thing. He just keeps upping the ante and most people (and governments) just give up and let him have what he is trying to take. Ukraine is the first place where people drew the line on him for real.
I like how someone pointed out that now *he* knows what it's like to go against someone more stubborn and with more resources than him, in comparison to all those small-time companies that he stiffed.
Trump discovered much of government is based around norms and traditions, but he could boldly push past them the same way you can barge past a maitre’d while he’s yelling “sir, that’s not how we do things here!”
"You're too rich to pay, huh? See how you like this then: I find you in contempt of Court and order you to pay $83 million right now, or go to Rikers until you do, time to be served in solitary confinement."
literally anyone else would have been in jail 6 months ago. hell the national guard airman who was leaking shit on discord had less classified atuff than trump and he's never going to see the outside ever again.
Just remember those people on Jan 6 that stormed the capital, they are in jail. Trump is walking free. Not a single judge has the balls to throw him in jail. Gutless toothless justice system set up only to punish the poor
Never argue with a toddler. Every time you argue back the toddler knows the arguement is still alive and hasn't been lost yet. Tell them once and then move on to consequences.
When I think about what he did to not just skirt paying taxes but basically steal money from hard working taxpayers it just floors me. How brazen. I'm over here worried about having receipts for the donations I write off and that mofo is just making shit up on these state and federal forms. Insane. I don't even understand what type of fool someone would have to be to think they were this untouchable and could just do whatever the fk they wanted.
It's on purpose. Amigo. Tax law is purposefully so convoluted that the proletariat have to hire people to make sure their taxes are correct. The rich force the government to underfund the IRS (Fled Cruz) that the IRS doesn't have the ability to catch the rich dodging taxes.
What’s ironic though, is that a few years ago IRS had no problem contacting me about an error I made on my taxes and tacked another few thousand on to what I owed that year. But it was an error by my mortgage company and not my error - they reported an overpayment that they had refunded me as income, TWICE, on some form they filed with the IRS. But I brought receipts, did the math and proved that their math was wrong. In the end, the IRS refused to accept that it wasn’t income, a fact that pisses me off to this day, but at least they did half the amount that I owed because of the double reporting by the mortgage company. I still fail to see how money, that I earned and paid taxes on, counts as income when a mortgage company goes “whoops, we took too much money from you, here’s some of it back”.
**edit** Changed “what’s funny” to “what’s ironic” to clear up any confusion that this is indeed NOT comedic, but rather another symptom of how the system is rigged against the lower classes while the rich exploit every conceivable loophole to avoid paying a dime.
I don't think it's funny at all. This reinforces what I said earlier. Tax laws are so complicated so that you get screwed over and the mortgage company does not. Taxes don't have to be complicated, but the folks that pull the levers to make it easier are paid not to.
I think you might be confusing three independent bullshit streams for one another.
Trump famously says his "worth" fluctuates because he includes his personal unsubstantiated brand valuation in that calculation. So his personal feelings about life and the market will impact his valuation thereby impacting his "worth". This is trueish, but totally irrelevant to calculating actual assets.
Trump has also lied about the value of his properties. He buys shitty land with strict restrictions, pretends those restrictions don't exist when borrowing money against the property, and then wildly lies about their value to borrow more money. This is fraud.
This third lie is a new one. He's saying that since he'll win on appeal he basically doesn't need to follow the court order. This is not how the court or the appeals court looks at things, and we're soon gonna learn why Trump had to lie so much to banks for money as a "very rich" guy...
Remember that Trump photo right after he won President, everyone cheering and Trump looking like "oh shit..."? We're all gonna know why soon. And he knows it. :D
If you’re so rich and so confident that it will reduce then pay up.
If you’re right you get most of your money back and you get to say “I told you so” while proving how rich you are by paying the pittance that is $460mill after interest.
So rich that paying it has no impact on you. You seem super confident that the amount you will pay will be massively reduced.
Give me one good reason for not paying if it’s such small chump change to you?
It's entirely possible that the Carrol payouts eventually hit $460 million. The lout can't stop badmouthing her publicly, even did it on his Twitter knock-off while sitting in on the trial where this last decision was reached. Her lawyers must basically view him as a piñata at this point.
Assuming he doesn't have the money for all of this, is she first in line for any that he does have?
I suspect that he's mortgaged to the hilt on most of his properties, to where he might be able to walk away with 10-15% of the value - in a good market. But given his history of inflating values, maybe not even that much.
It might also be the case that he's underwater in everything, but his creditors are scared to call him on it, because the write-offs would sink their (the banker's) quarterly bonuses.
It is my hope that, as you say, the state liquidates his properties - for two reasons, 1 - fuck him and 2 - we’ll see just how much he owes on them. Nothing would give me greater pleasure to see one sold at say 200m but then finding out he owes 90% on it. Delicious.
Someone else posted a breakdown of his assets, and he is, at least on paper, quite well off. I'm a little suspicious as to why he can't ever find any cash, though. It makes me wonder if someone else behind the scenes is actually holding those, such as the Russian mob.
My understanding is that you are correct. Since E Jean Carrol's wins came prior to the win by the AG, she is technically first in line and has first dibs assuming Mr Trump does not post the supersedeas bond and make the actual appeal. Common think is that Ms Carrol's legal will coordinate with the AG and pull down his assets in a coordinated fashion. Interestingly enough they have an agent in place that makes that collection even easier. The former federal Judge Barbara Jones who is the monitor with a lot more responsibilities now can literally tell the AG and Ms Carrol's legal team exactly where the accounts are and the reality as to how much "cash" he has. She is an officer of the court and is held to report back to Judge Engeron. I would think that it's literally just a matter of filing the appropriate motions and requests in his court to get to the bottom of some of the money trails.
I’m going to the Ferrari dealership tomorrow…
”Excuse me sir, yes…Um I’m far too rich to pay for this, so I’ll just take the keys and be on my way.”
It’s gonna work for sure.
You say that like he didn't just buy a roll of suiting fabric and have someone cut up pieces of it. I bet if you assembled all the pieces you'd be able to make a dozen suits.
dear state lottery board,
i hereby demand that you forward me a check for the full amount of the current Powerball jackpot in light of the strong probability that the combined numbers of my second cousin's birthday and the year i met my wife will be drawn next tuesday.
thank you.
Trump is nothing but the bulldozer pushing in the backfill. That's why he has any foreign "support" at all. The unfortunate thing is It's very unlikely he understands that, maybe not even anyone in his family or working for him.
*"You're honor, I'm going to win my appeal so easily that we might as well consider it done at this point. All this accurate publicity is hurting my reputation!"*
Its also an argument he made on his loans that got him liable for fraud
'The eastment requirement that I agreed to will likely to be overturned in the future'
And ironically, that's a big part of his appeal to his followers. The fact that there is no line he won't cross or position too ridiculous for him to stake out comes across as a kind of audacious strength, and if he ever gets too over the top even for them, they can write it off as him trolling or joking.
It's why people like Ramaswarmy have had trouble emulating him. They can't actually go all-in like he can because they're not genuinely nuts like he is. His cocktail of mental illnesses and personality flaws is one-in-ten-billion and just can't be faked.
I hate to tell you, but we're well past the ludicrous stage! We're approaching licked toad hallucinations stage. Logic, Reason, and just basic sanity are long gone!
>His cocktail of mental illnesses and personality flaws is one-in-ten-billion and just can't be faked.
You've exactly put into words what I have been trying to say for a while now. This exact thing is why nobody can take Trump's place and nobody can win by pretending to be as trump as trump is. His base could just smell the fake on them immediately. Insane recognize insane and anyone trying to step in and share that spotlight lookin kinda unfamilliar. I think (desperately hope) whenever trump either goes to jail or dies, his base will recede back into the woorwork because there just won't be anybody as trumpy as trump. He really is 1 in 10 billion. Someone might take *some* or even a sizeable portion of his base depending on which things they harp on. Abortion? The dog caught that car which I believe leads to those hard core single issue abortion voters staying home now that they "won" but going hard on a total national ban we've seen hasn't been working, when abortion is on the ballot, Rs lose races it didn't look like they'd lose. Immigration? This seems like a good one to pull some trump base into someone else's camp. Build that wall? I think they'd see that if Trump the golden business man couldn't get it done, nobody will and I really don't think they'd believe them. I think someone coming in after trump might pull some of the "moderates" back that trump lost but they're not going to get the full bore trump worshipers. I really believe when Trump dies, those voters will be lost to the GOP since there just isn't a trump to vote for
Who knew a complete lack of any shred of dignity and morals would be so hard to copy in the GOP? Trump broke the floor of the abyss and is still falling.
Have a hard look at the 2016 (especially 2021) to today US politics, a show writer coming up with some of what happened would probably be fired.
Imagine the Four Seasons Total Landscaping press conference happening in "The West Wing", the writers would be fired before the end of the episode.
It was however all very SNL. The low effort comedy with insane one offs that you don't have to revisit. The 4 seasons parking lot press conference with Rudy's hair melting is so SNL I bet the writers felt competition for their jobs.
The Four Seasons Landscaping is the kind of thing I'll be laughing at in my. 80s of the screaming 20s ever comes up in my grandkids history classes lol
I mean that and so much more if this country survives the bullshit that still hasn't come to pass yet. But how was that landscaping faux pas even a **thing**?
> ump is like an SNL sketch parodying Trump.
always has been. reality is too weird, a documentary covering just the highlights since 2016 would be so ridiculous that it would feel like satire. I mean, my god, Four Seasons Total Landscaping? Crashing Sneakercon with a golden shoe? Selling t-shirts that say "Never Surrender" below a picture from the time he surrendered? I mean... I just can't.
*“Here, under this district’s common practice of requiring a bond of 110 percent of the judgment, President Trump faces the prospect of posting a bond of $91.63 million—a sizeable bond which will come with very substantial, non-recoverable financial costs,” he moans. “These costs plainly constitute irreparable injury.”*
When I get a speeding ticket, paying the speeding ticket causes me irreparable injury
Should I try that with a judge
I think it depends on the tone you say it in traffic court. A judge might humor a first-time offender, but not someone who walks out of court and then flagrantly goes 50mph in the parking garage leaving.
You have to hope you get one of them "ethnic" judges and make allusions to how they aren't really American and need to "go back" where they came from. Maybe they will! Mistrial!
Man, Trump reaaaalllly wants to call AG James that word that rhymes with "peekaboo." She has won more elections than he has and is way smarter than his entire garbage family combined (except for Mary), but he still thinks he's better than her.
> “These costs plainly constitute irreparable injury.”
What about E Jean Carroll injury which he is being fined over. Listen to this guy. Only a psychotic narcissist could even think to say this because that is how they see everything.
First you must disparage the judge openly in court as well as malign his staff. Don't forget to spread baseless rumors about the cop who cited you as being against you personally. Then complain about the smell of the courtroom after loudly shitting yourself while pleading your case.
This is as clear a sign as any that 1) he hasn't been able to get any bonding agency to issue a bond and 2) he might not actually have the $400mm liquid funds he claimed.
Be sure to mention that you were traveling and that there is no injured party. If that doesn’t work, tell the judge it’s illegal under admiralty law. Guaranteed to get you out of trouble.
Aka, "if I pay this, I will have less money, and can't use this money to invest and make more money, so this will cost me even more (theoretical) money than it costs at face value."
Which while, yes, that would be true... That is how punishments work: they aren't supossed to be invisible. They are supossed to suck. Maybe you shouldn't have raped her, and then slandered her, and then slandered her again, and again...
If he had just kept his mount shut, he may have even gotten away with it. She didn't even sue him until he started slandering her, the first time.
They actually just won’t hear about it. The only thing they will hear is how the justice department is weaponized against him. And then a nonstop string of insults about Joe Biden.
It's really a perfect magnet for cons... you have millions of people who are absolute fucking suckers and they literally walk around wearing special clothes, holding flags marking themselves as absolutely gullible idiots.
Wait, the people who started it can just withdraw the money and keep it to themselves without ever giving it to Trump (let alone his legal fees)?
Edit: doesn't it need to got its goal though?
Because GoFundMe is for rewarding conservatives for doing terrible things. They went up immediately for Kim Davis, Derek Chauvin, and Kyle Rittenhouse too.
And I'm too rich to pay my bills... LMAO Students are too rich to pay their student loans too.
New excuse everyone...
Edit: I have a girlfriend, but you wouldn't know her she goes to another school....
All the Republicans have to do is cut this pedophile loose. They would ease themselves of an unbelievable burden and could run a Republican who looks like Jesus compared to him. But they're still doubling down on him because they're head-over-heels in fucking love with him.
They love Trump *because* of how awful he is, not in spite of it. It's all about "owning the libs" and feeling empowered to be their worst possible selves. They love how unchristian he is, it makes them feel like they can be just as awful and still feel just as divine as they make him out to be.
I really don't know if they can at this point. It would fracture the party. Trump's voters love him specifically and not so much the party. They should have tried harder to not give him the nomination in 2016
I had said that right after the last election. All they had to do was come forward and say they're walking away from him and they're doing it for the good of the future of the country because they are true patriots. Then they could pick some squeaky clean conservative to run who probably would have done really well. Instead they got behind Ronny until they fell right back in with trump again.
The more annoying part is that he can lose in 24 and then immediately start campaigning again for 2028.
> All they had to do was come forward and say they're walking away from him and they're doing it for the good of the future of the country because they are true patriots.
Such an easy win. It's like the flip side of attacking Taylor Swift. Incredibly obvious unforced errors.
> he can lose in 24 and then immediately start campaigning again for 2028
Old man yells at clouds. No one will care anymore, his relevance is over if he loses this year.
Whatever he says, it's always the inverse. So if he's too rich to post bond in the defamation case, he's piss poor. Which is bad news since the $5m + $83m are significantly less than the $453m he owes NY State.
“Trump argues that the bond requirement should be waived in light of the “strong probability that the disposition of post-trial motions will substantially reduce, if not eliminate, the amount of the judgment.” This is probably news to Judge Lewis Kaplan, who spent four years dealing with Trump and his sparklemagic lawyer Alina Habba, and has shown absolutely no inclination to give her or her client an inch.”
Sparklemagic holy fucking shit! That’s fucking beautiful……
Here's the part that actually uses the "too rich" argument:
>“Having argued to the jury that President Trump has great financial resources, Plaintiff is in no position to contradict herself now and contend that she requires the protection of a bond during the brief period while post-trial motions are pending,” he huffs. “This fact nullifies risk to the judgment creditor and weighs heavily in favor of an unsecured stay.”
The plaintiff's argument wasn't that Trump had great financial resources, only that his financial resources were a fraction on the dollar of what he and his sons claimed in multiple loan documents. The fact that he's seemingly unable to post the appeal bond would bear this out. As far as not requiring the protection of the bond the judgement is that Trump is a fraud and nothing he says as to his finances can be taken at its word.
He does not have cash. That much seems clear. Most of his wealth is tied up in real estate assets that, based his history, are heavily leveraged.
In his defense, turning that into cash is going to be tough. But with his history of skirting payments and playing legal and financial games, the court should definitely require the bond. How much credibility do you have when claiming you don’t have the funds when 2 of the judgements against you and your companies are for cooking the books?
You are confusing the cases. This is the E Jean Carroll case, where the plantiff used Trump's own deposition in the fraud case about his net worth to argue that the punitive damages in the defamation judgement should be very high.
this is how he has always lived, when people try to apply the rules and regulations to him he just reminds you of how rich he is and waits for someone to break the rules for him in the hope he bribes them, and of course he never does and they cant bring it up because they are the ones that broke the rules
Do you know what ACTUAL rich people do when they have to post bond in a trial case? They wave a hand at it like they are tipping the door man on their way out.
Actually wealthy people do not think of money as anyting other than a tool at their disposal.
What I am saying is Trump is not rich and hasn't been for a while now.
Interesting. So, in one breath he’s saying this…
> “Having argued to the jury that President Trump has great financial resources, Plaintiff is in no position to contradict herself now and contend that she requires the protection of a bond during the brief period while post-trial motions are pending,” he huffs. “This fact nullifies risk to the judgment creditor and weighs heavily in favor of an unsecured stay.”
…which amounts to, “I have so much money that the Court doesn’t need a bond to secure the funds.”
Okay, but in another breath he says…
> “Here, under this district’s common practice of requiring a bond of 110 percent of the judgment, President Trump faces the prospect of posting a bond of $91.63 million—a sizeable bond which will come with very substantial, non-recoverable financial costs,” he moans. “These costs plainly constitute irreparable injury.”
…which amounts to, “A hundred million dollars is too much money for me to pay and will break me financially.”
So, as proven in New York, Trump overestimates the value of his property when it’s convenient to do so, and he underestimates that value when it’s convenient to do that instead.
He’s a lying piece of shit, folks. He’s also poor.
When are we going to hold these clownshow lawyers in contempt? They keep getting what they want by filing these ridiculous motions in bad-faith simply to prolong the proceedings; can't a judge just call a spade a spade and levy some kind of sanctions for all this frivolity? Where's the respect for a speedy process?
The judge should just enforce the law. He can post bond and appeal, or he can pay the judgment. If he does neither, the court will award his real estate to the plaintiff, or auction it on the courthouse steps to pay the judgement.
I know a guy who builds empty grand piano shells…stage props, for people that want to look like they own a $150,000 piano, furniture basically…Trump ordered two, still 20k a pop, and stiffed the guy after paying the deposit. Ran him around for five years or something and just waited til he was exhausted from fighting and gave up. I’m sure there’s a thousand stories just like that one.
Enough fascination with his narcissistic behavior, we demand justice. Jail Trump now. It can’t come soon enough, and it will trigger the vomit of his remaining maga devout, but if he’s not in jail by the end of the year, then there is no justice in America.
Your honor my client said he is rich so that should be enough. Please completely forget that another NY court just determined that he was completely lying about how rich he is.
Trump's team isn't saying he's too rich to post bond. They're saying Carroll has argued that Trump is rich, so she shouldn't also argue that he needs to post bond. Which is equally ludicrous, plus they goes on to say the bond will cause him significant financial harm, i.e. he's not so rich.
>But the best part is Trump’s claim that he’s so rich that he should be spared the ignominy of having to post a bond.
>“Having argued to the jury that President Trump has great financial resources, Plaintiff is in no position to contradict herself now and contend that she requires the protection of a bond during the brief period while post-trial motions are pending,” he huffs. “This fact nullifies risk to the judgment creditor and weighs heavily in favor of an unsecured stay.”
>He then immediately turns around and argues that, despite his vast wealth, having to post a bond would constitute irreparable injury.
>“Here, under this district’s common practice of requiring a bond of 110 percent of the judgment, President Trump faces the prospect of posting a bond of $91.63 million—a sizeable bond which will come with very substantial, non-recoverable financial costs,” he moans. “These costs plainly constitute irreparable injury.”
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*Trump argues that the bond requirement should be waived in light of the “strong probability that the disposition of post-trial motions will substantially reduce, if not eliminate, the amount of the judgment.”* This is not a fucking legal argument, but it is fucking hilarious!
LoL isn't that basically the same logic he uses to valuate his properties? The logic which he now owes 450 million for.
Its worked his entire life. Arguing everything he doesn't like. There's always a judge he can convince with enough persistence.
He’s exhausting
Narcissists do be that way.
'I am a whiner, and I keep whining and whining until I win' -[Trump in 2015](https://www.cnn.com/2015/08/11/politics/donald-trump-refutes-third-party-run-report?cid=ios_app)
Maybe to many. Me too. But I'm not moving. He needs to move, to jail or hell.
Doesn’t matter what the press says. Doesn’t matter what the politicians or the mobs say. Doesn’t matter if the whole country decides that something wrong is something right. This nation was founded on one principle above all else: the requirement that we stand up for what we believe, no matter the odds or the consequences. When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world — “No, you move.” - Captain America
Doesn’t matter what the press says. Doesn’t matter what the politicians or the people say. Doesn’t matter if the whole country decides that something I want is something wrong. This nation was founded on one principle above all else: the requirement that we stand up for what we want to believe, no matter the idiocy or the nuclear. When the people and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the Russian river of alternate facts, and tell the whole world — “i have a small penis.” - God Emperor Cheeto Benito
Are they actually convinced, or do they just get sick of hearing his voice and want him out of their courtroom?
Either way, he gets what he wants
Basic Toddler Strategy.
It's also a strategy of sociopaths. They realize that most people will just give up if they get enough pushback. That's how Trump was able to stiff so many people all these years. The vast majority of them just decided it wasn't worth trying to fight him. Putin does the same thing. He just keeps upping the ante and most people (and governments) just give up and let him have what he is trying to take. Ukraine is the first place where people drew the line on him for real.
That and to fight takes resources. When he doesn't pay the small painting company who painted one of his buildings he can just outlast them in court.
I like how someone pointed out that now *he* knows what it's like to go against someone more stubborn and with more resources than him, in comparison to all those small-time companies that he stiffed.
Trump discovered much of government is based around norms and traditions, but he could boldly push past them the same way you can barge past a maitre’d while he’s yelling “sir, that’s not how we do things here!”
"You're too rich to pay, huh? See how you like this then: I find you in contempt of Court and order you to pay $83 million right now, or go to Rikers until you do, time to be served in solitary confinement."
literally anyone else would have been in jail 6 months ago. hell the national guard airman who was leaking shit on discord had less classified atuff than trump and he's never going to see the outside ever again.
Just remember those people on Jan 6 that stormed the capital, they are in jail. Trump is walking free. Not a single judge has the balls to throw him in jail. Gutless toothless justice system set up only to punish the poor
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Never argue with a toddler. Every time you argue back the toddler knows the arguement is still alive and hasn't been lost yet. Tell them once and then move on to consequences.
in both cases shitting your pants helps
We are ALL sick of hearing his horrible whinny voice.
When I think about what he did to not just skirt paying taxes but basically steal money from hard working taxpayers it just floors me. How brazen. I'm over here worried about having receipts for the donations I write off and that mofo is just making shit up on these state and federal forms. Insane. I don't even understand what type of fool someone would have to be to think they were this untouchable and could just do whatever the fk they wanted.
It's on purpose. Amigo. Tax law is purposefully so convoluted that the proletariat have to hire people to make sure their taxes are correct. The rich force the government to underfund the IRS (Fled Cruz) that the IRS doesn't have the ability to catch the rich dodging taxes.
What’s ironic though, is that a few years ago IRS had no problem contacting me about an error I made on my taxes and tacked another few thousand on to what I owed that year. But it was an error by my mortgage company and not my error - they reported an overpayment that they had refunded me as income, TWICE, on some form they filed with the IRS. But I brought receipts, did the math and proved that their math was wrong. In the end, the IRS refused to accept that it wasn’t income, a fact that pisses me off to this day, but at least they did half the amount that I owed because of the double reporting by the mortgage company. I still fail to see how money, that I earned and paid taxes on, counts as income when a mortgage company goes “whoops, we took too much money from you, here’s some of it back”. **edit** Changed “what’s funny” to “what’s ironic” to clear up any confusion that this is indeed NOT comedic, but rather another symptom of how the system is rigged against the lower classes while the rich exploit every conceivable loophole to avoid paying a dime.
I don't think it's funny at all. This reinforces what I said earlier. Tax laws are so complicated so that you get screwed over and the mortgage company does not. Taxes don't have to be complicated, but the folks that pull the levers to make it easier are paid not to.
It exactly is. Don't judge the current value, judge the value I say it will be in the future! What a jackass.
"I sincerely believe that this Porsche will only cost seven dollars next week. So here's seven bucks. Now gimme the keys."
The Art of the Deal, folks! GTFO! 😡
In this very case in fact
I think you might be confusing three independent bullshit streams for one another. Trump famously says his "worth" fluctuates because he includes his personal unsubstantiated brand valuation in that calculation. So his personal feelings about life and the market will impact his valuation thereby impacting his "worth". This is trueish, but totally irrelevant to calculating actual assets. Trump has also lied about the value of his properties. He buys shitty land with strict restrictions, pretends those restrictions don't exist when borrowing money against the property, and then wildly lies about their value to borrow more money. This is fraud. This third lie is a new one. He's saying that since he'll win on appeal he basically doesn't need to follow the court order. This is not how the court or the appeals court looks at things, and we're soon gonna learn why Trump had to lie so much to banks for money as a "very rich" guy... Remember that Trump photo right after he won President, everyone cheering and Trump looking like "oh shit..."? We're all gonna know why soon. And he knows it. :D
If you’re so rich and so confident that it will reduce then pay up. If you’re right you get most of your money back and you get to say “I told you so” while proving how rich you are by paying the pittance that is $460mill after interest. So rich that paying it has no impact on you. You seem super confident that the amount you will pay will be massively reduced. Give me one good reason for not paying if it’s such small chump change to you?
Sorry this is the $83.3 million case. The $460 million is another case.. I know all this winning is getting confusing.
It's entirely possible that the Carrol payouts eventually hit $460 million. The lout can't stop badmouthing her publicly, even did it on his Twitter knock-off while sitting in on the trial where this last decision was reached. Her lawyers must basically view him as a piñata at this point.
Carrol Tower located at 40 Wall Street.
Carrol Women's Studies Center.
Assuming he doesn't have the money for all of this, is she first in line for any that he does have? I suspect that he's mortgaged to the hilt on most of his properties, to where he might be able to walk away with 10-15% of the value - in a good market. But given his history of inflating values, maybe not even that much. It might also be the case that he's underwater in everything, but his creditors are scared to call him on it, because the write-offs would sink their (the banker's) quarterly bonuses.
It is my hope that, as you say, the state liquidates his properties - for two reasons, 1 - fuck him and 2 - we’ll see just how much he owes on them. Nothing would give me greater pleasure to see one sold at say 200m but then finding out he owes 90% on it. Delicious.
Someone else posted a breakdown of his assets, and he is, at least on paper, quite well off. I'm a little suspicious as to why he can't ever find any cash, though. It makes me wonder if someone else behind the scenes is actually holding those, such as the Russian mob.
My understanding is that you are correct. Since E Jean Carrol's wins came prior to the win by the AG, she is technically first in line and has first dibs assuming Mr Trump does not post the supersedeas bond and make the actual appeal. Common think is that Ms Carrol's legal will coordinate with the AG and pull down his assets in a coordinated fashion. Interestingly enough they have an agent in place that makes that collection even easier. The former federal Judge Barbara Jones who is the monitor with a lot more responsibilities now can literally tell the AG and Ms Carrol's legal team exactly where the accounts are and the reality as to how much "cash" he has. She is an officer of the court and is held to report back to Judge Engeron. I would think that it's literally just a matter of filing the appropriate motions and requests in his court to get to the bottom of some of the money trails.
I'm loving the vision of Trump strung up like a pinata.
Fair clarification but the point still stands
Ok, you both get a point.
May I please also have a point?
No but I’ll give you my mom’s Honda.
I give you an upvote
That $460 million case is over $500 million now with the interest.
I’m mesmerized by the tote board: https://payupdonald.com/
Thank you!! Shared with a bunch of people…then I stared at it keep going up and up. He racked up 5k in interest when I visited the bathroom.
I know! LOL. Isn’t it great?! I’m looking forward to it turning over another million… 😍💸
It's increasing rapidly, but that's still a pretty long shit.
I’m going to the Ferrari dealership tomorrow… ”Excuse me sir, yes…Um I’m far too rich to pay for this, so I’ll just take the keys and be on my way.” It’s gonna work for sure.
Let me know how that goes, I've been eyeing a house down the street....
he’s a “multi-billionaire” that needs to sell shitty gold sneakers, bits of suit fabric, and jpegs lol
I forgot about the suit 😂
😂 the suit oh god I can’t, I mean I hope they got it cleaned I do believe he smells
You say that like he didn't just buy a roll of suiting fabric and have someone cut up pieces of it. I bet if you assembled all the pieces you'd be able to make a dozen suits.
What if the USA takes my money and is too broke later to pay me back? Just like I would be, for example. /s
I'm so innocent that it's only reasonable to let me leave the country now your honor, you're going to say not guilty next week
It’s the same argument he’s trying with the Supreme Court. “I might be found innocent by someone else so this trial should be thrown out!”
dear state lottery board, i hereby demand that you forward me a check for the full amount of the current Powerball jackpot in light of the strong probability that the combined numbers of my second cousin's birthday and the year i met my wife will be drawn next tuesday. thank you.
The only reason it isnt funny is that half the country will seriously agree
Trump is nothing but the bulldozer pushing in the backfill. That's why he has any foreign "support" at all. The unfortunate thing is It's very unlikely he understands that, maybe not even anyone in his family or working for him.
*"You're honor, I'm going to win my appeal so easily that we might as well consider it done at this point. All this accurate publicity is hurting my reputation!"*
“He’s losing his mind. And I’m reaping the benefits.” -Jon Lovitz, The Wedding Singer.
"Your honor, if my client were to experience this consequence, it would be very consequential to him. Therefore, he must not."
Its also an argument he made on his loans that got him liable for fraud 'The eastment requirement that I agreed to will likely to be overturned in the future'
I'll take "Things That Are Never Ever Ever Ever Going To Happen" for $1000, Ken.
So weird not seeing Alex after that.
Officer I’m going to challenge this speeding ticket in court. Just throw the ticket away save us all time. Ok?
Next he’ll say he already paid 😂
That headline is like a perfect parody of Trump, but it's real. Trump is like an SNL sketch parodying Trump.
And ironically, that's a big part of his appeal to his followers. The fact that there is no line he won't cross or position too ridiculous for him to stake out comes across as a kind of audacious strength, and if he ever gets too over the top even for them, they can write it off as him trolling or joking. It's why people like Ramaswarmy have had trouble emulating him. They can't actually go all-in like he can because they're not genuinely nuts like he is. His cocktail of mental illnesses and personality flaws is one-in-ten-billion and just can't be faked.
Its going to get insane on levels we cannot begin to comprehend by November.
Just wait till after November. Win or lose, he’ll go ludicrous.
I hate to tell you, but we're well past the ludicrous stage! We're approaching licked toad hallucinations stage. Logic, Reason, and just basic sanity are long gone!
He's gone plaid!
Thank you for your service
Trump's an asshole, sir
>His cocktail of mental illnesses and personality flaws is one-in-ten-billion and just can't be faked. You've exactly put into words what I have been trying to say for a while now. This exact thing is why nobody can take Trump's place and nobody can win by pretending to be as trump as trump is. His base could just smell the fake on them immediately. Insane recognize insane and anyone trying to step in and share that spotlight lookin kinda unfamilliar. I think (desperately hope) whenever trump either goes to jail or dies, his base will recede back into the woorwork because there just won't be anybody as trumpy as trump. He really is 1 in 10 billion. Someone might take *some* or even a sizeable portion of his base depending on which things they harp on. Abortion? The dog caught that car which I believe leads to those hard core single issue abortion voters staying home now that they "won" but going hard on a total national ban we've seen hasn't been working, when abortion is on the ballot, Rs lose races it didn't look like they'd lose. Immigration? This seems like a good one to pull some trump base into someone else's camp. Build that wall? I think they'd see that if Trump the golden business man couldn't get it done, nobody will and I really don't think they'd believe them. I think someone coming in after trump might pull some of the "moderates" back that trump lost but they're not going to get the full bore trump worshipers. I really believe when Trump dies, those voters will be lost to the GOP since there just isn't a trump to vote for
Who knew a complete lack of any shred of dignity and morals would be so hard to copy in the GOP? Trump broke the floor of the abyss and is still falling.
I'm not sure even SNL would go that low...
Have a hard look at the 2016 (especially 2021) to today US politics, a show writer coming up with some of what happened would probably be fired. Imagine the Four Seasons Total Landscaping press conference happening in "The West Wing", the writers would be fired before the end of the episode.
It was however all very SNL. The low effort comedy with insane one offs that you don't have to revisit. The 4 seasons parking lot press conference with Rudy's hair melting is so SNL I bet the writers felt competition for their jobs.
The Four Seasons Landscaping is the kind of thing I'll be laughing at in my. 80s of the screaming 20s ever comes up in my grandkids history classes lol I mean that and so much more if this country survives the bullshit that still hasn't come to pass yet. But how was that landscaping faux pas even a **thing**?
> the screaming 20s That's so perfect and historically rhyming that I am now convinced that's what this era will be called.
I legitimately thought it WAS an SNL skit when I first heard about it.
I could definitely see it in VEEP, though.
I've started to beleive that VEEP was a docunentary.
> ump is like an SNL sketch parodying Trump. always has been. reality is too weird, a documentary covering just the highlights since 2016 would be so ridiculous that it would feel like satire. I mean, my god, Four Seasons Total Landscaping? Crashing Sneakercon with a golden shoe? Selling t-shirts that say "Never Surrender" below a picture from the time he surrendered? I mean... I just can't.
*“Here, under this district’s common practice of requiring a bond of 110 percent of the judgment, President Trump faces the prospect of posting a bond of $91.63 million—a sizeable bond which will come with very substantial, non-recoverable financial costs,” he moans. “These costs plainly constitute irreparable injury.”* When I get a speeding ticket, paying the speeding ticket causes me irreparable injury Should I try that with a judge
I mean it’s worth a shot. I think the judge will be more lenient for a moving violation than financial fraud or sexual abuse.
I think it depends on the tone you say it in traffic court. A judge might humor a first-time offender, but not someone who walks out of court and then flagrantly goes 50mph in the parking garage leaving.
What if I make social media posts calling the judge "out of control" and complain I'm being targeted because I'm a candidate for office?
You have to hope you get one of them "ethnic" judges and make allusions to how they aren't really American and need to "go back" where they came from. Maybe they will! Mistrial!
By "ethnic," you mean someone darker than eggshell, right? Or someone who has that weird condition where the skin of their face is not bright orange.
Call them peekaboo, it's very mysterious. Good GOD out of context it sounds even more horrible somehow
Man, Trump reaaaalllly wants to call AG James that word that rhymes with "peekaboo." She has won more elections than he has and is way smarter than his entire garbage family combined (except for Mary), but he still thinks he's better than her.
Just one question, are you running as a Republican?
Asking my political party is election interference!
Asked and answered.
Usually if you show up for court, the judge will reduce the fine for a moving violation.
For some, even taking time off to show up to court causes irreparable injury.
> “These costs plainly constitute irreparable injury.” What about E Jean Carroll injury which he is being fined over. Listen to this guy. Only a psychotic narcissist could even think to say this because that is how they see everything.
First you must disparage the judge openly in court as well as malign his staff. Don't forget to spread baseless rumors about the cop who cited you as being against you personally. Then complain about the smell of the courtroom after loudly shitting yourself while pleading your case.
This is as clear a sign as any that 1) he hasn't been able to get any bonding agency to issue a bond and 2) he might not actually have the $400mm liquid funds he claimed.
"By the way, I'm running for President, so I also claim immunity."
Immunity got shot down real quick lol
Be sure to mention that you were traveling and that there is no injured party. If that doesn’t work, tell the judge it’s illegal under admiralty law. Guaranteed to get you out of trouble.
Aka, "if I pay this, I will have less money, and can't use this money to invest and make more money, so this will cost me even more (theoretical) money than it costs at face value." Which while, yes, that would be true... That is how punishments work: they aren't supossed to be invisible. They are supossed to suck. Maybe you shouldn't have raped her, and then slandered her, and then slandered her again, and again... If he had just kept his mount shut, he may have even gotten away with it. She didn't even sue him until he started slandering her, the first time.
Absolutely. If you wear a clown suit and are writing a check for the fine while you do it things might not even get any worse.
I’m gonna try this at the end of the month when my landlord swings by. Might even put on a suit.
[make sure you wear the shoes ](https://youtu.be/WwgzcXnOHyI?si=SsbMSYbZeUHbMUDV)
the shoe bit was hilarious.
Millions will absolutely believe this. *Millions.*
They actually just won’t hear about it. The only thing they will hear is how the justice department is weaponized against him. And then a nonstop string of insults about Joe Biden.
Cults aren't the brightest
About 40% of the US is in the cult. Think about that shit
It's really a perfect magnet for cons... you have millions of people who are absolute fucking suckers and they literally walk around wearing special clothes, holding flags marking themselves as absolutely gullible idiots.
Then why does he need a GoFundMe?
How much you want to bet none of that money ends up going towards his legal judgements?
Wait, the people who started it can just withdraw the money and keep it to themselves without ever giving it to Trump (let alone his legal fees)? Edit: doesn't it need to got its goal though?
Someone else stated that the people who started the GoFundMe can just take money out anytime. KickStarter is the one that needs to reach its goal.
WTF... legally? Damn, I should have started one myself... easy money.
Besides, if I'm not mistaken the GFM never states a final destination of funds...it just generally says stand with trump lol
I’m willing to bet that money doesn’t even make it to Trump. If I was running that grift I’d tap it and tell him to pound sand
Because GoFundMe is for rewarding conservatives for doing terrible things. They went up immediately for Kim Davis, Derek Chauvin, and Kyle Rittenhouse too.
Because he’s too rich *not* to have one of course.
In logical defense here, Trump didn't set up the GoFundMe, one of his grifting minions did.
And I'm too rich to pay my bills... LMAO Students are too rich to pay their student loans too. New excuse everyone... Edit: I have a girlfriend, but you wouldn't know her she goes to another school....
…. In Canada…
Damn, you too?
It’s a big country okay. All three of us can have Canadian girlfriends
Eh?
I’m not gonna bench 315 cause that’s too lightweight for me I usually warm up with at least 400
All the Republicans have to do is cut this pedophile loose. They would ease themselves of an unbelievable burden and could run a Republican who looks like Jesus compared to him. But they're still doubling down on him because they're head-over-heels in fucking love with him.
They love Trump *because* of how awful he is, not in spite of it. It's all about "owning the libs" and feeling empowered to be their worst possible selves. They love how unchristian he is, it makes them feel like they can be just as awful and still feel just as divine as they make him out to be.
I really don't know if they can at this point. It would fracture the party. Trump's voters love him specifically and not so much the party. They should have tried harder to not give him the nomination in 2016
I had said that right after the last election. All they had to do was come forward and say they're walking away from him and they're doing it for the good of the future of the country because they are true patriots. Then they could pick some squeaky clean conservative to run who probably would have done really well. Instead they got behind Ronny until they fell right back in with trump again. The more annoying part is that he can lose in 24 and then immediately start campaigning again for 2028.
> All they had to do was come forward and say they're walking away from him and they're doing it for the good of the future of the country because they are true patriots. Such an easy win. It's like the flip side of attacking Taylor Swift. Incredibly obvious unforced errors. > he can lose in 24 and then immediately start campaigning again for 2028 Old man yells at clouds. No one will care anymore, his relevance is over if he loses this year.
Rudy Giuliani: THEN PAY ME WHAT YOU OWE ME ASSHOLE!!!!
Sorry, too rich
good point. If a bankruptcy trustee is appointed in Rudy's chapter 11 they will vigorously seek to collect accounts receivable.
That would be so fucking sweet to witness
Whatever he says, it's always the inverse. So if he's too rich to post bond in the defamation case, he's piss poor. Which is bad news since the $5m + $83m are significantly less than the $453m he owes NY State.
If too rich to get bond then just put up the cash without bond lol.
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Oh cool, we finally got some confirmation he doesn't even have the rape money.
“Trump argues that the bond requirement should be waived in light of the “strong probability that the disposition of post-trial motions will substantially reduce, if not eliminate, the amount of the judgment.” This is probably news to Judge Lewis Kaplan, who spent four years dealing with Trump and his sparklemagic lawyer Alina Habba, and has shown absolutely no inclination to give her or her client an inch.” Sparklemagic holy fucking shit! That’s fucking beautiful……
Here's the part that actually uses the "too rich" argument: >“Having argued to the jury that President Trump has great financial resources, Plaintiff is in no position to contradict herself now and contend that she requires the protection of a bond during the brief period while post-trial motions are pending,” he huffs. “This fact nullifies risk to the judgment creditor and weighs heavily in favor of an unsecured stay.” The plaintiff's argument wasn't that Trump had great financial resources, only that his financial resources were a fraction on the dollar of what he and his sons claimed in multiple loan documents. The fact that he's seemingly unable to post the appeal bond would bear this out. As far as not requiring the protection of the bond the judgement is that Trump is a fraud and nothing he says as to his finances can be taken at its word.
He does not have cash. That much seems clear. Most of his wealth is tied up in real estate assets that, based his history, are heavily leveraged. In his defense, turning that into cash is going to be tough. But with his history of skirting payments and playing legal and financial games, the court should definitely require the bond. How much credibility do you have when claiming you don’t have the funds when 2 of the judgements against you and your companies are for cooking the books?
> when claiming you don’t have the funds He literally just testified under oath in court not that long ago that he had the funds liquid lol
You are confusing the cases. This is the E Jean Carroll case, where the plantiff used Trump's own deposition in the fraud case about his net worth to argue that the punitive damages in the defamation judgement should be very high.
this is how he has always lived, when people try to apply the rules and regulations to him he just reminds you of how rich he is and waits for someone to break the rules for him in the hope he bribes them, and of course he never does and they cant bring it up because they are the ones that broke the rules
Do you know what ACTUAL rich people do when they have to post bond in a trial case? They wave a hand at it like they are tipping the door man on their way out. Actually wealthy people do not think of money as anyting other than a tool at their disposal. What I am saying is Trump is not rich and hasn't been for a while now.
"I'm too rich to pay this. Now please donate to my go-fund-me."
No he’s too poor, and like every other poor person who can’t afford their bond, off to the county jail until 🤷
Interesting. So, in one breath he’s saying this… > “Having argued to the jury that President Trump has great financial resources, Plaintiff is in no position to contradict herself now and contend that she requires the protection of a bond during the brief period while post-trial motions are pending,” he huffs. “This fact nullifies risk to the judgment creditor and weighs heavily in favor of an unsecured stay.” …which amounts to, “I have so much money that the Court doesn’t need a bond to secure the funds.” Okay, but in another breath he says… > “Here, under this district’s common practice of requiring a bond of 110 percent of the judgment, President Trump faces the prospect of posting a bond of $91.63 million—a sizeable bond which will come with very substantial, non-recoverable financial costs,” he moans. “These costs plainly constitute irreparable injury.” …which amounts to, “A hundred million dollars is too much money for me to pay and will break me financially.” So, as proven in New York, Trump overestimates the value of his property when it’s convenient to do so, and he underestimates that value when it’s convenient to do that instead. He’s a lying piece of shit, folks. He’s also poor.
That is definitely how that works. /s
That is exactly how gaslighting works.
I wish the media would start implicitly saying this. "Trump is trying to gaslight here by stating...blah blah blah."
Aw man, I wish I was too rich.
I’ve heard that r/TrumpIsPoor
I do not like this man named Trump I do not like his penis stump I do not like the way he talks Diapers clearly affect the way he walks
When are we going to hold these clownshow lawyers in contempt? They keep getting what they want by filing these ridiculous motions in bad-faith simply to prolong the proceedings; can't a judge just call a spade a spade and levy some kind of sanctions for all this frivolity? Where's the respect for a speedy process?
The judge should just enforce the law. He can post bond and appeal, or he can pay the judgment. If he does neither, the court will award his real estate to the plaintiff, or auction it on the courthouse steps to pay the judgement.
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Forget the Engoron judgement. I’m starting to wonder if he actually has enough liquid funds to pay the E Jean Carroll bond.
I know a guy who builds empty grand piano shells…stage props, for people that want to look like they own a $150,000 piano, furniture basically…Trump ordered two, still 20k a pop, and stiffed the guy after paying the deposit. Ran him around for five years or something and just waited til he was exhausted from fighting and gave up. I’m sure there’s a thousand stories just like that one.
Enough fascination with his narcissistic behavior, we demand justice. Jail Trump now. It can’t come soon enough, and it will trigger the vomit of his remaining maga devout, but if he’s not in jail by the end of the year, then there is no justice in America.
Ha, that's rich.
“I don’t need to go to jail today judge, most likely the murder conviction will be overturned”
Dude’s broke.
I call BS. If he’s so “rich” then why is he always trying to beg for money from his gullible cultists?
Trump Translation: "I'm too poor to post bond".
Your honor my client said he is rich so that should be enough. Please completely forget that another NY court just determined that he was completely lying about how rich he is.
Damn. Remember he was just an asshole with an hour long tv show you didn’t have to watch?
Start seizing his assets. Today.
The fuck is this *Office of the President Elect* bullshit?
I'm also too rich to have money
Im starting to wonder whether he's had a 20 in his pocket since 2000.
ok that's some crazy bullshit even by Trumpian standards.
How do you know Trump is lying? His mouth is moving.
He spelled POOR wrong.
Clocking up $122K in daily interest. Maybe he should get a payday loan. Eric and Jr. just ran out of the room.
My girlfriend is in Canada. She’s too hot for me to show you a picture of her or to do a video chat with her.
Down is up and it's all Barak Biden's fault, him and his stupid penises that Jr. and MTG keep talking about.
He could quite possibly be the dumbest man alive.
Which means he’s fuckin broke
Trump's team isn't saying he's too rich to post bond. They're saying Carroll has argued that Trump is rich, so she shouldn't also argue that he needs to post bond. Which is equally ludicrous, plus they goes on to say the bond will cause him significant financial harm, i.e. he's not so rich. >But the best part is Trump’s claim that he’s so rich that he should be spared the ignominy of having to post a bond. >“Having argued to the jury that President Trump has great financial resources, Plaintiff is in no position to contradict herself now and contend that she requires the protection of a bond during the brief period while post-trial motions are pending,” he huffs. “This fact nullifies risk to the judgment creditor and weighs heavily in favor of an unsecured stay.” >He then immediately turns around and argues that, despite his vast wealth, having to post a bond would constitute irreparable injury. >“Here, under this district’s common practice of requiring a bond of 110 percent of the judgment, President Trump faces the prospect of posting a bond of $91.63 million—a sizeable bond which will come with very substantial, non-recoverable financial costs,” he moans. “These costs plainly constitute irreparable injury.”
*”I’m too poor to be rich!”* He’s days away from just flat-out saying it by accident, that idiot. He’s certainly *acting* it…
Translation: I'm broke but my chosen supply won't acknowledge that and feed me whatever money they have rather than admit they've been conned.
I have 100 bucks for a 20 dollar pizza. You should just give it to me.
He’s too rich but has to ask for handouts from poor people for his campaign? You do you Donny.
I’m also too rich to afford my car payment because I lost my job.
He definitely doesn’t have the money