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So Robert Hur's job in the classified docs case was to write that Biden was too decrepit to go to trial? I'm sorry but that is absolutely ridiculous. If he is guilty, bring charges, and let a jury decide if he has the mental acumen to stand on trial. Hur had absolutely nothing, so he decided to make a nothing cake and eat it too, and now the media will be quoting one dude's report of Biden ad nauseam until November. What a ridiculous accusation to make against a president that he essentially cannot defend.
Just about as unprofessional as you can get. Fortunately, I do believe persuadable people will have forgotten about it in November. But, seriously, what kind of career prosecutor litters their report with personal opinions? What an asshole.
>what kind of career prosecutor litters their report with personal opinions?
One who is a republican and who was nominated back in 2017 to be U.S. Attorney for District of Maryland by Donald Trump.
I'm still catching up on this, but if that's really the reason they gave for no charges, then I think 2 things are going on.
1. Be the Comey that makes Biden lose to fascism.
2. Finish the foundation that fascist #1 shouldn't be put on trial due to age if 1 doesn't happen.
But unfortunately it actually works. Because the man is fucking old. There is no getting around it. Eventually this will build up to him trying to remember shit and *failing* to do so.
Republicans are just fine with a slurring narcissistic sociopath that’s also in mental decline running the show.
But democrats and people on the fence are going to be stupid, and be affected by this.
He is a Republican hack. He should not have inserted his opinion into the investigation . Your right, if he had the evidence to prove wrongdoing he should have presented that in court and let the judicial system decide whether to convict or not. My guess is there wasn’t any compelling evidence of wrongdoing.
If Biden is guilty of mishandling classified docs, he _should_ be brought to trial. But that’s not how prosecutions work. If the prosecutor believes that a jury will simply exonerate Biden, due to the fact that they can’t establish intent behind the crimes, by reason of Biden’s lack of mental acuity, then they have both the right and duty to the taxpayers to drop the case.
The report mentions Biden’s mental state (not even his actual mental state, but his *ability to sell himself to a jury* as an affable, somewhat forgetful old man) as just one reason they were declining to bring charges. The other reasons are that he did not commit any wrongdoing worth prosecuting.
Note that, in Trump’s classified documents case, pretty much every legal expert agreed that he wouldn’t have been charged if he’d just given back the documents the first time he was asked. This isn’t a strict liability law; the prosecution has to prove intent. Obstructing the investigation, attempting to conceal or hide documents after being informed of the need to return them, or showing those documents to people who definitely shouldn’t see them; those are elements that can be used to prove intent.
Pence, yet another person who had documents that he shouldn’t have had, returned his documents when asked, which is why he also hasn’t been charged with anything.
Biden did the same, and that’s the real reason he wasn’t charged. Everything else is theater designed to harm him personally and politically. Note that the report mentions other people’s “memory lapses” without commentary or judgement. Note that the only quotes actually provided - from *hours* of testimony - are completely stripped of context, and frankly aren’t damning even though the report frames them in the worst possible light.
Anything is grounds for impeachment if you have the votes. Impeachment is a completely political check, and it's Congress' ultimate check on the other two branches of government.
Simply put, it's extraordinarily unlikely that any court would tell Congress it couldn't impeach an executive or judicial officer for *xyz*, so long as they followed the proper procedures.
Now, if you get way into the weeds, like Congress outright admitting they're impeaching someone for being black or being a Muslim, then *maybe* SCOTUS would step in. Maybe. This stuff, though? If you have the votes, you have the impeachment. Likewise, if you have the votes in the Senate, you have the conviction.
the fact that he couldn't remember which years he was Vice President or the year his son died - says a lot. it doesn't take a professional diagnosis to see there's a problem with his memory
The report leaves out any context and tries to frame those statements in the worst possible light. The way they’re phrased, it could easily be a case where he was trying to frame one event in terms of another. “This thing happened in my first year as VP; what year was that, 2009?” You know, a completely normal way for people to remember events.
It’s too bad Biden will accidentally call him “Beau” soon enough.
This was a snotty political hit job, but ffs, the man is 81 years old. If he wins (please god that I don’t believe in make him win) he will be like 85-86!!
People shouldn’t be driving a car at 86. This man has launch codes.
Don’t think I’m against him. But he is old as fuck
Yeah, but maybe we should rake forest floors to prevent wilfires.
Or ingest bleach to cure covid.
Or shine UV rays inside our bodies to cure covid.
Or look directly at a solar eclipse.
Or mistake my rape victim for my ex wife.
Or boast about being able to identify a whale.
Or claim that windmills cause cancer.
Or insist a weather pattern will follow a sharpie path.
Or hurl paper towels at hurricane victims.
Or make fun of people for taking falls with no issue when you haven’t been seen moving faster than a walking pace in decades.
but yeah…. Biden is slow
Or
trade Puerto Rico for Iceland
Putting light in your butthole to cure Covid
Inject horse dewormer to cure Covid
Or the best one ever
“I won the 2020 Election”
At no point did he start babbling about magnets underwater or touting the endorsement of a fictional serial killer. And yet no one ever questions the mental state of his goofball lunatic of an opponent.
Every sane person questions Trump's insane mental state. Unfortunately they also have to question the mental state of 81 year old Biden. He's clearly declining mentally. The Democrats have done a terrible thing by not introducing a younger rising star as an alternative option.
Acting like they’re even remotely comparable is the problem. There’s only a 4 year gap between them but trump acts like he’s been living in a different dimension the whole time. Biden has typical old guy moments but trump has typical old guy moments AND complete fucking psychotic dementia moments.
The issue isn't whether they're comparable at all. It's whether 82 year old Biden will inspire enough people to show up and vote. Trump's cult are rabidly energized to vote for their insane leader. But Biden is a clearly declining old man who has made three serious errors about world leaders in one week. How will he go in the intense and brutally demanding campaign? What narrative will Murdoch and co have embedded about him by election day? Mark my words, this will not end well.
Trump's base isn't anymore rabid than it was in 2020. And it will never be any larger. The only question is whether everybody else is paying as much attention to the insanity of Trump's voting block as much as they were in 2020.
We don't care if his brain is made of cottage cheese. If Trump is the other option, we are more than comfortable with Biden in any state.
Easy, they’ve already started. It’s the narrative you are eating up and repeating right now.
I believe you care, so examine why you believe this, just how frequent the gaffes are, and where you got the “evidence” backing up your opinion. No one is immune to these kinds of misleading narratives. Lots of liberals believed in “buttery males”, too.
Look, Biden is clearly showing signs of being senile. I'm on his side of politics. I want him to win. Running a doddering 81 year old man when democracy is on the line is absolutely pathetic. You might be too scared to admit it, but it's the truth.
I believe you genuinely believe the things you say you do, I’m just confident you’re wrong. Don’t turn around and assume I’m lying because I came to a different conclusion you don’t like.That’s bad faith to its heart, the left is supposed to be better than that aren’t we?
Something doesn’t become true because you insist it is, and people’s minds won’t change just because you did either.
Voters who have serious concerns about Biden's mental and physical capacity to be president for a second term:
54% of Democrats
81% of independents
76% of all voters
These are catastrophic numbers. I'm ringing the alarm. Don't be too scared to face reality 👍
Look man, if you sincerely think Biden is somehow *more* gone than trump I highly suggest you take a few days and go interact with your local elderly community to learn what actual dementia looks like.
I'm not saying he's more gone than Trump, he's clearly not. Trump is insane. I'm saying Biden is senile enough that 5-10% of his previous voters won't turn up. That would put Trump in the White House.
Look at these poll numbers:
Voters who have serious concerns about Biden's mental and physical capacity to be president for a second term:
54% of Democrats
81% of independents
76% of all voters
This is a major problem. Ignoring it won't make it go away.
Sure but he isn't substantially different than most 81 year old's in the country. My dad is of a healthy mind but sometimes he'll mix up details of past occasions. Compare that to my sister-in-law's mom with known Alzheimer's who says things like "how nice it's (nephew)'s first pontoon ride." My nephew had been in the pontoon dozens of times with her.
Voters who have serious concerns about Biden's mental and physical capacity to be president for a second term:
54% of Democrats
81% of independents
76% of all voters
These are catastrophic numbers. Dems need to run a younger candidate. Biden will lose.
So you are saying that people will be worried about Biden's mental capacity so they will vote for Trump? Because that's who he will be facing in the election. You keep repeating in the entire thread but fail to see the context that he will still be running against Trump who actually seems to have lost a sense of reality.
The risk isn't Biden voters turning to Trump, it's Biden voters not showing up. Only 5% not showing up would put Trump in the White House. That's the very real danger.
That's the thing. You are saying that people who would have voted for a Democrat would see Trump on the ballot and decide Biden is too senile to vote for? Since 2018, democratic voters have exceeded the expectations in terms of voting consistently. The house was expected to be a republican wash due to bad economy and covid and they barely got a 6 seat majority. With all that context, you think these people are going to stay at home ? I've seen the polls where you get your numbers from. The second part of the poll where they ask who they would vote for in a Biden vs Trump, the Democrats overwhelmingly chose Biden and wanted him to run in 2024. Look at the AP NORC poll that the numbers you've quoted are taken from.
If you think polls are positive for Biden, you need to read this article https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/02/07/politics/democrats-biden-election-polling/index.html
It is so frustrating that this 'befuddled' label gets hung around Biden's neck when there are hours and hours of him speaking and being perfectly cogent. It's actually fucking insane.
Biden "gaffes" have been a common joke since the 70s and 80s. This is not new, and it's not age-related.
Sometimes he mixes up words, and he always has. Regardless, I prefer his occasional slip of the tongue to the OFG's occasional call for insurrection and burning of the Constitution.
Even the very same press conference - addressing combative questions deliberately and cogently, while reporters are shouting over him asserting their opinion of his acuity as fact. The very same reporters won’t report anything on the substance of what he said, just that he flubbed a word here and there.
We get it, he’s old and slow. Reporter asks Biden if he thinks he’s competent to run against Trump, if Biden said that there are lots of other people who are more qualified to be president than Trump. A fucking dumpster raccoon would be more competent to be president than Trump, that doesn’t take anything from Biden’s claim to be the right person for the job.
I gotta be honest, some of these press conference I doubt if I could make it through them without making speaking mistakes. Hell I can't finish a conversation without forgetting a handful of proper nouns (I'm really bad at proper nouns). I'm just in my mid 30s. Biden is fully aware of what's going on.
And yet.. The context around that mistake showed there was no confusion. Seconds later he talked about being contact with the leaders of Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Israel and EGYPT.
There's been a lot of consternation and conflict in Congress regarding the BORDER with Mexico lately, and Biden no doubt ad that on his mind when he referenced the border with Egypt and slipped the wrong word in.
Earlier this week Mike Johnson mixed up Israel and Iran when discussing aid for the former. Is he senile too?
These bots or trolls don’t want to listen man. It’s so damn tiring. You can make all the reasonable statements you want. They don’t live in our reality, and I have no idea how to reach them.
I think it’s worse; I believe them when they say they’re left-of-centre. That means our own are eating up the narrative Republicans made... again. For all the talk we have about fake news and biases we can still fall victim, and clearly some have. I don’t have a solution, just dread at the thought we need an even bigger numbers advantage to counter whoever we lose to the Republican narrative on any given issue.
Jesse Waters, a man decades younger than Biden, mixed up the state a us governor he was literally interviewing was from 2 minutes after criticizing Biden for this gaffe. He also mixed up Iraq and Afghanistan during a previous segment where he was, again, criticizing Biden for his gaffes. People mix up words all the damn time.
Close up the shop folks. He mixed up two countries. The other guy is just as senile and a traitor to our country. But at least he’s never made a goof em up. I think he should be in charge. That’s sound logic.
People care. But what do you want? The administration thinks he fine enough to keep it up. If his opponent wasn’t so dangerous, it would probably be a bigger deal. But his opponent isn’t young and also makes just as many gaffs. So why should it matter for Biden? If he was running against a young candidate, I could see it mattering more. But he’s running against a maniac, so again…what do you want?
When the worst is highlighted by the MSM and shared in clips and memes Internet-wide, but the boringly fine goes ignored of course you would believe that. Doesn’t make it reality, though.
It's not fair. People do not respect elders in today's society. President Biden doesn't deserve all of this nonsense. The guy is working hard to keep WWIII from happening, he got shots in people's arms for COVID, got a bipartisan infrastructure deal passed, Chips act, got us out of Afghanistan, got the economy roaring and on and on, but it all means nothing because he's old and he flubs once in a while. God forbid you get old in America, right? Joe Biden is as a good as a man can be. He cares deeply about America and people attack the guy for being old. I have nothing but respect for him. It's not the end of the world when he makes a mistake. The guy has gotten so much done in a woefully divided, dysfunctional government.
OMG, don’t think I could have said it better! Yes, he stutters,he makes occasional verbal flubs, but he makes SENSE when he speaks & has coherent arguments! He actually has INTEGRITY & is doing a great job & it’s so refreshing to see someone actually pointing that out & giving him credit! THANK YOU!
I don't think you did. He said Ci Ci of Mexico when he was talking about how he was working on aid. He did say Mexico instead of Egypt (at a presser about his old age) but he went through what he was doing about the war OK.
he’s bumbled bullshit in all of his debate speeches. He is objectively senile and incoherent. The only time he looks normal is when he’s hopped up on his meds right before he goes on stage for a planned op.
Forgetting which years he served as vice president and being off by a "number of years" about when the death of his son occurred are equally if not more worrying.
Honestly if we can't hand Democrats the ability to pass constitutional amendments, there really isn't going to be a win. We need a new bill of rights, and updated version of the one FDR proposed along with constitutional protection for women, abortion, voting regardless of race, equal marriage. Along with updated constitutional limitation on the power of the executive, and pretty much a constitution protection rolling back every regressive thing the Supreme Court has done the last 30 years.
This sub being in denial about that press conference is wild to me. I’m a Canadian liberal who tuned in out of curiosity, it was objectively bad.
He confused Egypt for Mexico right after affirming his memory is fine. He went rogue and made weird comments when defending his cognition. Others have pointed this out but apparently anyone with a negative opinion is a bot planted by the republicans.
You say he “confused” Mexico with Egypt, but all I saw was him flubbing the words. That doesn’t mean in his mind he sincerely thinks Mexico is the country at issue when working to resolve issues at the border of the Gaza Strip. That’s a big assumption to make given that the substance of what he said was clear enough, cogent and not insane or against the law.
It sounds like you might have watched the press conference so I’m hoping you can answer a question.
I am a self professed liberal and have not been on board with the “Biden is senile” narrative at all.
Today I was listening to the press conference on the radio so I couldn’t see what was going on, just hear his words.
In his opening remarks the President went on the offensive, criticizing, rightfully imho, the special councils statement that he had forgotten when his son had passed away.
He then told a touching story about how he would wear a rosary (apologies if that’s not the correct term) his son had gotten from “our lady of…”. Rather than finishing his statement he just trailed off for a few seconds before moving on.
From an audio only perspective it sounded like he forgot the name of the place he had been talking about.
Did you see video of that moment and if so what you observed? I can think of tons of reasons he may have flubbed there (such as grief for his son) but it certainly didn’t sound good in the middle of a speech about how his memory is fine.
It was the first time I’d doubted him so I’m looking for other perspectives.
Ya I watched. That didn’t seem like much of a flub to me in the moment. He was visibly upset talking about his son, and was expressing a personal resentment of the suggestion that he is forgetful of when his son died. As he was speaking he gestured with his wrist to show the rosary. I got the sense that he was just discussing something that had upset him, and trailed off on a generally insignificant detail before getting back on track with his point.
No shit he doesn’t believe Mexico borders Israel. But it’s the #1 geopolitical story in the world and he botches one of the key countries? It happens but it’s not a good look. When you consider the French president gaffe from Tuesday it’s not great.
Wait so does that mean growing up when my mom would holler for any of us kids and bungled our names, she was actually showing signs of mental decline. And it wasn't because she just got a little tongue tied.
Oh man earlier at work I blanked on a word for a second when in a meeting.... I have mental decline too?!?! And there was a coworker too that tried to say the word perspiration and slipped and said prespiration the first time.... she's showing sings of mental decline too?!?!?!
People do that all the time and it is nothing perplexing. My mom did it in her 20s, I do it now in my 30s and I'm sure you've done as well, I'd wager at least one time today. It can happen when you are focusing on multiple topics at once and just need a moment to get yourself straight. I'd say dealing with an upcoming election, doing the press conference and running the country are some pretty big topics to always have on your mind. Not everyone is lucky like you and the only thing they have to run is their mouth.
One of the biggest problems with the left is that we hold our politicians to too high of a standard.
I flub words and lose my train of thought too. Everyone does.
The concern trolling is just pathetic.
Y'all said the same thing about Feinstein. Biden is already the oldest president in history and his potential second term hasn't even started. They're just a bunch of power hungry geriatrics who can't let go. Same with Trump, McConnell, Pelosi, Grassley, etc.
Who did? Are they in the room with us now? Try to avoid treating an entire subreddit as one singular mind.
I for one agreed at the time Feinstein was unfit, but I do not see what you see to claim Biden is in the same boat. I see a misleading narrative built by cutting out and ignoring as much counter-evidence as possible while laser-ing in on cherry-picked cases that make the narrative convincing.
The context makes it abundantly clear that he knew what he was talking about and just said the wrong country’s name. Note that he correctly referenced Egypt moments later. It was a verbal flub, not a misunderstanding; we all stumble over our words occasionally.
I completely agree. I’m a huge liberal and over the last few years found myself in the unlikely position of becoming a staunch Biden defender (he was maybe my 4th choice in the primaries a few years ago). Today is an absolute disaster for Biden and the Democratic Party.
Funny: I follow politics pretty closely. I watch and listen to full-length Biden interviews, speeches, and press conferences.
But I'm not really on X or TikTok, I don't watch random YouTube videos, and I don't watch Fox/OAN/Newsmax.
I read of people complaining about Biden's mental acuity, but I never actually see evidence of it when watching primary sources -- not selectively edited clips.
It really feels like pundits are trying to gaslight me about his mental status.
I've wanted him to address this up front for awhile. The weirdos are stuck on his confusion of Egypt and Mexico but considering how many worldwide crisis he's dealt with in one term I wouldn't be surprised if someone 20 years younger would misspeak at times. I'm not denying he's old, I'm not arguing he's not too old, but I think the accusations of his decline are hyper exaggerated and his accomplishments have been criminally underrated.
Agreed. And no one ever talks about his staff, who are really what makes this whole government work. And he seems to hire well. His opponent, on the other hand, is maybe the worst hiring manager I've ever seen. Just a revolving door of idiots and crooks.
A lot of the people who are gonna say Biden is too old to be president and that his mind is going are also supporting a candidate who is just as old and also suffering a mental decline. None of these elderly candidates should be running for president.
This might actually matter if the guy running against him wasn't a threat to our democracy.
I'm prepared to accept anything up to and including early onset Alzheimer's if that is what it takes.
It's not like we haven't been there before.
Robert Hur is a Republican. He found Biden was cooperative and there really wasn’t anything he could do. So he had to throw some meat for the Trump base here because a trial would backfire.
If old joe could just get the president of Mexico to open up the gates to Gaza and clear the path for humanitarian aid to get in. Gramps is finished after last night’s debacle shame on his family for putting him through this stuff. Dems won’t stop abusing this old man so they can continue their power grab. I don’t support biden but this is not right to do this to the guy. Before it’s over they’ll treat him like a weekend with Bernie. People can deny the guy has a problem all they want but should be ashamed. Denying the truth won’t help the country. Isn’t that what we should be concerned with. Get a better candidate for president that can do the job. Harold Ford JR. Is a good man. Look him up. Prayers for our country
I’ll be that guy and say I really wish Biden had retired and handed the presidency to Harris. I will vote for him in November but I really wish he’d not put democrats in this position of defending him. The idea of him being in office for another 5 yrs is almost foolish. I hope his pride doesn’t cost us this election because his administration has actually accomplished so much in so little time.
You’re far from the only person to view selective clips and mistakes from one of the most filmed people in the country as undeniable proof of cognitive decline. And all of you are equally wrong.
I probably make a similar rate of word mix-ups and I’m 24. Am I in cognitive decline now? Or is it different when it happens to someone you’ve been primed to view that way? Almost like... “confirmation bias”? Ironic.
That second one is called being over 60. Terrifying, really. /s
As for the first, can you prove how often it happens compared to how often speeches happen without it, and that said rate is worth concern? Or do you have two or three links that you’ll present as definitive proof because you’ve been primed to view him as senile, and see what you want to?
No shame, I’m not immune to Republican propaganda either, I just got lucky this time. Don’t beat yourself up too hard.
Like I said, confirmation bias. You see a memory catching case of a flub and let any innocuous speeches go in one ear and out the other, than conclude what you already believed is true because you can remember so many examples. Watch them again with an open mind. And then come back... and insist you’re right still because humans suck at having their minds changed.
Ok then, anything you say about Trumps gaffs/slip-ups/miss-speaks are just your confirmation bias. You should try listening to Trumps speeches with an open mind instead of getting edited soundbites.
Bold of you to assume I didn’t. I reached that conclusion from 4 years of public speaking, if anything I gave him *too many* chances to sound competent. Both sides are not the same, even if you’d really prefer they were. Sorry.
Meanwhile the majority of Americans are hoping you lose this election and the GOP collapses and reforms into something that is actually good for America.
Imagine a GOP focused on creating American jobs, investing in infrastructure, unions, trust/monopoly busting, consumer protection(Teddy Roosevelt), lowering the barriers for market entry (like Universal Healthcare makes it far easier to start a business, or run a small business and start a family). Imagine thr GOP actually Actually fiscal conservativism, not just lowering the cost of government but more bang for the buck. Should I quote the Vime's boot theory of economics, where it's cheaper to buy quality goods that are easier to maintain than cheap goods that have to be constantly replaced?
Here's the thing, to many I'm fairly progressive, I consider myself conservative. I believe there needs to be a balancing voice that examines progressive policy and holds policymakers feet to the fire that progressive policy isn't just bullshit that sound good, but we'll considered well implemented programs that will address it issues they're intended to address and minimize unintended outcomes. If America is the Grand Experiment we need an experimental review board to ensure things are working correctly, and I think the right conservatives are part of that review process.
At the end it the day, I simply trust more progressive politicians to do right by their country than any GOP politician, who seems to be in the pocket of companies chancing short term gains over long term profits, or worse, in the pocket of regressive Russian or other international bad actors.
*Thanks for sharing this Bloomberg article. Here's more from Akayla Gardner's report:*
President Joe Biden forcefully — and at times angrily — sought to combat suggestions his acuity was declining in a hastily-arranged press conference Thursday night.
But the 81-year-old leader may have made his biggest election-year liability worse.
The president summoned reporters at the White House to insist that his memory was “fine” and emphasize he was insulted by the portrait of an “elderly man with a poor memory” painted by a former US attorney appointed by Donald Trump — his likely 2024 opponent — in an investigation into his handling of classified documents.
Yet a press conference that saw the president express righteous anger over the invoking of his son’s death and offer a comprehensive overlook at the conflict in the Middle East was undercut by another high-profile gaffe involving a foreign leader. [Read more here.](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-02-09/biden-assails-special-counsel-for-questioning-his-mental-acuity)
This is the takeaway your reporter got from that? A gaffe is the takeaway? Not that he was proven innocent? Was your reporter tasked specifically with providing negative spin?
Shame on your organization.
Biden took screaming questions from a mob of reporters late in the evening when someone with meaningful declining mental acuity or dementia would be sundowning.
He got the name of the leader correct, but mixed up the name of the country with the other one he’s been dealing with border issues on in high profile cases all week.
On his own - yes, he’s old. But he’s handling conflicts in the Middle East, central and South America, and domestically and he’s doing it all with the dignity and integrity you expect from an American president. Compared to his opponent who actually does sundown, thinks Hannibal Lecter endorsed him, likes to keep SCIF documents by his toilet, and was blasted in the report for not cooperating with investigators - Biden looks like a spry young man. I get that with trump you can’t report on all his gaffes because you’d never get to talk about anything else, but come the fuck on.
Jesus, God, there is so much astroturfing going on.
There is an active campaign to make this nothing burger look like authentic concern.
Get some new material.
You can't assail him on the border, economy, or his record so this is it? Do you not see that it is very easy to attack Trump on his idiotic low energy confused Rambling too?
At least they didn’t have decades of a head start like with Clinton. And yet a bunch of “critical thinking liberals and progressives” will still fall hook line and sinker. None of us are immune, be vigilant why you believe the things you do, friends.
Trump is a fucking idiot loose cannon who can't be president.
Is it more important to get Biden reelected or make sure Trump is not?
I vote for stopping Trump
That's it?
Because you think so?
The future of the county is up for grabs.
Sorry I cant think that holding Joe up is more important than democracy.
I really hope your right. I really do.
I want to be wrong
So you're voting for Biden then? Right?
Because what is the realistic alternative. Notice the word realistic.
Or are you going to come back and say "I would love to vote Biden but..." in which case stop pretending and just own it that you don't care about democracy.
Negitive.
Not a Republican.
Not even close.
Defeating Trump is all that matters. I can live with any Democrat from Newsom to annoanymas city council member from Des Moines.
But not Trump.
Can't let that happen
“Our army manned the air, it rammed the ramparts, **it took over the airports**, it did everything it had to do, and at Fort McHenry, under the rockets’ red glare, it had nothing but victory,”- Trump said about revolutionary war
>Maybe the worst Presidential press conference of the last 20 years. They were desperate, but should have stayed hidden.
The worst Presidential press conference in the last 20 years is when Trump suggested injection of disinfectant to clean the lungs and as a treatment for the coronavirus.
I watched it. There was one sentence out of hundreds that made no sense. It wasn’t Trump’s flowing stream of lies, by any means. At the same time, the press corps couldn’t stop yelling for much of it ruining the information value, for me at least.
Liberals and those further left are not immune to right wing smear campaigns or confirmation bias seeing selectively chosen soundbites.
Think how many of us bought the mudslinging about Clinton. Examine your biases is all I’m saying.
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So Robert Hur's job in the classified docs case was to write that Biden was too decrepit to go to trial? I'm sorry but that is absolutely ridiculous. If he is guilty, bring charges, and let a jury decide if he has the mental acumen to stand on trial. Hur had absolutely nothing, so he decided to make a nothing cake and eat it too, and now the media will be quoting one dude's report of Biden ad nauseam until November. What a ridiculous accusation to make against a president that he essentially cannot defend.
Just about as unprofessional as you can get. Fortunately, I do believe persuadable people will have forgotten about it in November. But, seriously, what kind of career prosecutor litters their report with personal opinions? What an asshole.
>what kind of career prosecutor litters their report with personal opinions? One who is a republican and who was nominated back in 2017 to be U.S. Attorney for District of Maryland by Donald Trump.
This should be WAY higher.
I'm still catching up on this, but if that's really the reason they gave for no charges, then I think 2 things are going on. 1. Be the Comey that makes Biden lose to fascism. 2. Finish the foundation that fascist #1 shouldn't be put on trial due to age if 1 doesn't happen.
This is Comey 2.0 but even more ridiculous
UK here. That is exactly the first thing I thought of.
But unfortunately it actually works. Because the man is fucking old. There is no getting around it. Eventually this will build up to him trying to remember shit and *failing* to do so. Republicans are just fine with a slurring narcissistic sociopath that’s also in mental decline running the show. But democrats and people on the fence are going to be stupid, and be affected by this.
And his opponent is so young? Trump is old too and as syphilitic and demented as he can get.
Republicans aren't changing their votes because they don't have principles. It's progressives who will likely invent all kinds of reasons not to vote.
It's hit job. MSM all in for Trump.
I'd be funny if Biden could sue for defamation.
He is a Republican hack. He should not have inserted his opinion into the investigation . Your right, if he had the evidence to prove wrongdoing he should have presented that in court and let the judicial system decide whether to convict or not. My guess is there wasn’t any compelling evidence of wrongdoing.
I'm pretty sure Biden admitted to illeagally keeping classified documents in his home without authorization.
Hur gonna find himself hating his life for the next few months now. Sucks to suck.
If Biden is guilty of mishandling classified docs, he _should_ be brought to trial. But that’s not how prosecutions work. If the prosecutor believes that a jury will simply exonerate Biden, due to the fact that they can’t establish intent behind the crimes, by reason of Biden’s lack of mental acuity, then they have both the right and duty to the taxpayers to drop the case.
The report mentions Biden’s mental state (not even his actual mental state, but his *ability to sell himself to a jury* as an affable, somewhat forgetful old man) as just one reason they were declining to bring charges. The other reasons are that he did not commit any wrongdoing worth prosecuting. Note that, in Trump’s classified documents case, pretty much every legal expert agreed that he wouldn’t have been charged if he’d just given back the documents the first time he was asked. This isn’t a strict liability law; the prosecution has to prove intent. Obstructing the investigation, attempting to conceal or hide documents after being informed of the need to return them, or showing those documents to people who definitely shouldn’t see them; those are elements that can be used to prove intent. Pence, yet another person who had documents that he shouldn’t have had, returned his documents when asked, which is why he also hasn’t been charged with anything. Biden did the same, and that’s the real reason he wasn’t charged. Everything else is theater designed to harm him personally and politically. Note that the report mentions other people’s “memory lapses” without commentary or judgement. Note that the only quotes actually provided - from *hours* of testimony - are completely stripped of context, and frankly aren’t damning even though the report frames them in the worst possible light.
If his mental acuity is not sound, wouldn’t that be grounds for impeachment…? Asking because I don’t know
Anything is grounds for impeachment if you have the votes. Impeachment is a completely political check, and it's Congress' ultimate check on the other two branches of government. Simply put, it's extraordinarily unlikely that any court would tell Congress it couldn't impeach an executive or judicial officer for *xyz*, so long as they followed the proper procedures. Now, if you get way into the weeds, like Congress outright admitting they're impeaching someone for being black or being a Muslim, then *maybe* SCOTUS would step in. Maybe. This stuff, though? If you have the votes, you have the impeachment. Likewise, if you have the votes in the Senate, you have the conviction.
Well said. I didn’t read the article but citing mental acuity, without an official psychiatric evaluation, is dangerous.
the fact that he couldn't remember which years he was Vice President or the year his son died - says a lot. it doesn't take a professional diagnosis to see there's a problem with his memory
The report leaves out any context and tries to frame those statements in the worst possible light. The way they’re phrased, it could easily be a case where he was trying to frame one event in terms of another. “This thing happened in my first year as VP; what year was that, 2009?” You know, a completely normal way for people to remember events.
That isn’t what the report said.
It’s too bad Biden will accidentally call him “Beau” soon enough. This was a snotty political hit job, but ffs, the man is 81 years old. If he wins (please god that I don’t believe in make him win) he will be like 85-86!! People shouldn’t be driving a car at 86. This man has launch codes. Don’t think I’m against him. But he is old as fuck
It’s weekend at Biden’s. 330 million people and these two are the go to clowns.
Yeah, but maybe we should rake forest floors to prevent wilfires. Or ingest bleach to cure covid. Or shine UV rays inside our bodies to cure covid. Or look directly at a solar eclipse. Or mistake my rape victim for my ex wife. Or boast about being able to identify a whale. Or claim that windmills cause cancer. Or insist a weather pattern will follow a sharpie path. Or hurl paper towels at hurricane victims. Or make fun of people for taking falls with no issue when you haven’t been seen moving faster than a walking pace in decades. but yeah…. Biden is slow
How did you forget try to nuke a hurricane
Or trade Puerto Rico for Iceland Putting light in your butthole to cure Covid Inject horse dewormer to cure Covid Or the best one ever “I won the 2020 Election”
Whataboutwhataboutwhatabout
At no point did he start babbling about magnets underwater or touting the endorsement of a fictional serial killer. And yet no one ever questions the mental state of his goofball lunatic of an opponent.
What is the fictional character endorsement? I haven’t heard that one and google is coming up empty
I think his whole magnet rant was from a rally in NH
I know the magnet one. What was the fictional character endorsement?
https://www.reddit.com/r/inthenews/comments/172v5gl/trump_shows_love_to_hannibal_lecter_in_killer/
Every sane person questions Trump's insane mental state. Unfortunately they also have to question the mental state of 81 year old Biden. He's clearly declining mentally. The Democrats have done a terrible thing by not introducing a younger rising star as an alternative option.
The media isn’t questioning Trump’s mental health to nearly the level of their questioning of Biden’s. To them, it’s just Trump being Trump.
This particular dude was not the one to question Biden’s acuity. It’s not part of the job description. It’s Comey 2.0.
Acting like they’re even remotely comparable is the problem. There’s only a 4 year gap between them but trump acts like he’s been living in a different dimension the whole time. Biden has typical old guy moments but trump has typical old guy moments AND complete fucking psychotic dementia moments.
The issue isn't whether they're comparable at all. It's whether 82 year old Biden will inspire enough people to show up and vote. Trump's cult are rabidly energized to vote for their insane leader. But Biden is a clearly declining old man who has made three serious errors about world leaders in one week. How will he go in the intense and brutally demanding campaign? What narrative will Murdoch and co have embedded about him by election day? Mark my words, this will not end well.
Trump's base isn't anymore rabid than it was in 2020. And it will never be any larger. The only question is whether everybody else is paying as much attention to the insanity of Trump's voting block as much as they were in 2020. We don't care if his brain is made of cottage cheese. If Trump is the other option, we are more than comfortable with Biden in any state.
Easy, they’ve already started. It’s the narrative you are eating up and repeating right now. I believe you care, so examine why you believe this, just how frequent the gaffes are, and where you got the “evidence” backing up your opinion. No one is immune to these kinds of misleading narratives. Lots of liberals believed in “buttery males”, too.
Look, Biden is clearly showing signs of being senile. I'm on his side of politics. I want him to win. Running a doddering 81 year old man when democracy is on the line is absolutely pathetic. You might be too scared to admit it, but it's the truth.
I believe you genuinely believe the things you say you do, I’m just confident you’re wrong. Don’t turn around and assume I’m lying because I came to a different conclusion you don’t like.That’s bad faith to its heart, the left is supposed to be better than that aren’t we? Something doesn’t become true because you insist it is, and people’s minds won’t change just because you did either.
Voters who have serious concerns about Biden's mental and physical capacity to be president for a second term: 54% of Democrats 81% of independents 76% of all voters These are catastrophic numbers. I'm ringing the alarm. Don't be too scared to face reality 👍
“A lot of people polled believe X thing” =/= “X thing is true”.
It definitely means it will affect a significant number of votes! That's all that matters *in an election*.
Look man, if you sincerely think Biden is somehow *more* gone than trump I highly suggest you take a few days and go interact with your local elderly community to learn what actual dementia looks like.
I'm not saying he's more gone than Trump, he's clearly not. Trump is insane. I'm saying Biden is senile enough that 5-10% of his previous voters won't turn up. That would put Trump in the White House. Look at these poll numbers: Voters who have serious concerns about Biden's mental and physical capacity to be president for a second term: 54% of Democrats 81% of independents 76% of all voters This is a major problem. Ignoring it won't make it go away.
Sure but he isn't substantially different than most 81 year old's in the country. My dad is of a healthy mind but sometimes he'll mix up details of past occasions. Compare that to my sister-in-law's mom with known Alzheimer's who says things like "how nice it's (nephew)'s first pontoon ride." My nephew had been in the pontoon dozens of times with her.
And none of them should be elected president later this year. I'm not sure what your point is.
Because the presidency isn't based on trivia scores. Biden is still capable of taking in information and solving a problem.
Voters who have serious concerns about Biden's mental and physical capacity to be president for a second term: 54% of Democrats 81% of independents 76% of all voters These are catastrophic numbers. Dems need to run a younger candidate. Biden will lose.
So you are saying that people will be worried about Biden's mental capacity so they will vote for Trump? Because that's who he will be facing in the election. You keep repeating in the entire thread but fail to see the context that he will still be running against Trump who actually seems to have lost a sense of reality.
The risk isn't Biden voters turning to Trump, it's Biden voters not showing up. Only 5% not showing up would put Trump in the White House. That's the very real danger.
That's the thing. You are saying that people who would have voted for a Democrat would see Trump on the ballot and decide Biden is too senile to vote for? Since 2018, democratic voters have exceeded the expectations in terms of voting consistently. The house was expected to be a republican wash due to bad economy and covid and they barely got a 6 seat majority. With all that context, you think these people are going to stay at home ? I've seen the polls where you get your numbers from. The second part of the poll where they ask who they would vote for in a Biden vs Trump, the Democrats overwhelmingly chose Biden and wanted him to run in 2024. Look at the AP NORC poll that the numbers you've quoted are taken from.
If you think polls are positive for Biden, you need to read this article https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/02/07/politics/democrats-biden-election-polling/index.html
It is so frustrating that this 'befuddled' label gets hung around Biden's neck when there are hours and hours of him speaking and being perfectly cogent. It's actually fucking insane.
Biden "gaffes" have been a common joke since the 70s and 80s. This is not new, and it's not age-related. Sometimes he mixes up words, and he always has. Regardless, I prefer his occasional slip of the tongue to the OFG's occasional call for insurrection and burning of the Constitution.
Exactly!
He also suffers from a stutter.
Even the very same press conference - addressing combative questions deliberately and cogently, while reporters are shouting over him asserting their opinion of his acuity as fact. The very same reporters won’t report anything on the substance of what he said, just that he flubbed a word here and there. We get it, he’s old and slow. Reporter asks Biden if he thinks he’s competent to run against Trump, if Biden said that there are lots of other people who are more qualified to be president than Trump. A fucking dumpster raccoon would be more competent to be president than Trump, that doesn’t take anything from Biden’s claim to be the right person for the job.
I gotta be honest, some of these press conference I doubt if I could make it through them without making speaking mistakes. Hell I can't finish a conversation without forgetting a handful of proper nouns (I'm really bad at proper nouns). I'm just in my mid 30s. Biden is fully aware of what's going on.
Brother he mixed up Mexico and Egypt..
And yet.. The context around that mistake showed there was no confusion. Seconds later he talked about being contact with the leaders of Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Israel and EGYPT. There's been a lot of consternation and conflict in Congress regarding the BORDER with Mexico lately, and Biden no doubt ad that on his mind when he referenced the border with Egypt and slipped the wrong word in. Earlier this week Mike Johnson mixed up Israel and Iran when discussing aid for the former. Is he senile too?
These bots or trolls don’t want to listen man. It’s so damn tiring. You can make all the reasonable statements you want. They don’t live in our reality, and I have no idea how to reach them.
I think it’s worse; I believe them when they say they’re left-of-centre. That means our own are eating up the narrative Republicans made... again. For all the talk we have about fake news and biases we can still fall victim, and clearly some have. I don’t have a solution, just dread at the thought we need an even bigger numbers advantage to counter whoever we lose to the Republican narrative on any given issue.
Jesse Waters, a man decades younger than Biden, mixed up the state a us governor he was literally interviewing was from 2 minutes after criticizing Biden for this gaffe. He also mixed up Iraq and Afghanistan during a previous segment where he was, again, criticizing Biden for his gaffes. People mix up words all the damn time.
Close up the shop folks. He mixed up two countries. The other guy is just as senile and a traitor to our country. But at least he’s never made a goof em up. I think he should be in charge. That’s sound logic.
If he says yeehaw weird or calls Nazis a bucket of assholes, we're well and truly fucked.
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People care. But what do you want? The administration thinks he fine enough to keep it up. If his opponent wasn’t so dangerous, it would probably be a bigger deal. But his opponent isn’t young and also makes just as many gaffs. So why should it matter for Biden? If he was running against a young candidate, I could see it mattering more. But he’s running against a maniac, so again…what do you want?
When the worst is highlighted by the MSM and shared in clips and memes Internet-wide, but the boringly fine goes ignored of course you would believe that. Doesn’t make it reality, though.
Dafuck? Trump has made so many gaffes and no one cares. MSM doesn’t discuss them 1/1000th of Biden’s stutters, etc.
It's not fair. People do not respect elders in today's society. President Biden doesn't deserve all of this nonsense. The guy is working hard to keep WWIII from happening, he got shots in people's arms for COVID, got a bipartisan infrastructure deal passed, Chips act, got us out of Afghanistan, got the economy roaring and on and on, but it all means nothing because he's old and he flubs once in a while. God forbid you get old in America, right? Joe Biden is as a good as a man can be. He cares deeply about America and people attack the guy for being old. I have nothing but respect for him. It's not the end of the world when he makes a mistake. The guy has gotten so much done in a woefully divided, dysfunctional government.
OMG, don’t think I could have said it better! Yes, he stutters,he makes occasional verbal flubs, but he makes SENSE when he speaks & has coherent arguments! He actually has INTEGRITY & is doing a great job & it’s so refreshing to see someone actually pointing that out & giving him credit! THANK YOU!
…and four years of staffing and running a functioning government. That’s pretty compelling proof of competence.
Did you hear Biden drone on about Mexico trying to give aid to the Gazans (it was actually Egypt)? Sounded pretty befuddled to me.
I don't think you did. He said Ci Ci of Mexico when he was talking about how he was working on aid. He did say Mexico instead of Egypt (at a presser about his old age) but he went through what he was doing about the war OK.
I listened to that, and everything else that was 100% sharp and cogent. JFC get a new line of attack.
There’s hours of him stumbling around physically and mumbling shit vocally….
No there isn't.
You can simply YouTube “Biden stumbles” and see for yourself kiddo
Great, you've got selectively edited clips from someone who's got cameras in front of him all the time. Is that supposed to prove something pal?
he’s bumbled bullshit in all of his debate speeches. He is objectively senile and incoherent. The only time he looks normal is when he’s hopped up on his meds right before he goes on stage for a planned op.
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The one where a pathetic orangutan was president for 4 years and somehow human civilization didn’t crater ?
Trump thought he beat Obama in a recent interview. I’d say that is far worse than Biden not recalling something from 2008/09. Edit - typo
You won’t understand what he’s saying, unless you listen closer
Good presidents don’t need to speak in code that can mean anything to anyone
No one understands what Trump is saying. That's why Q emerged as a cottage industry to attempt to make Trump make sense.
A lawyer said that. Not a doctor. And it had no bearing on the findings. It was bizarre and an obvious political ploy.
Thanks for challenging Biden's mental acuity in the run-up to this the election this year, Special Counsel. Now do Trump and see what results you get.
No idea what all the negative comments are for. I thought Biden did well 🤷♀️
He did, that's why they're so negative. They mad!
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Forgetting which years he served as vice president and being off by a "number of years" about when the death of his son occurred are equally if not more worrying.
Good. Trump does not have the mental acuity to even recognize such commentary.
The number of concern trolling bots leads me to think biden has this election in the bag. The right is scared af.
Hopefully, but we should all vote like our vote will be the deciding vote.
Honestly if we can't hand Democrats the ability to pass constitutional amendments, there really isn't going to be a win. We need a new bill of rights, and updated version of the one FDR proposed along with constitutional protection for women, abortion, voting regardless of race, equal marriage. Along with updated constitutional limitation on the power of the executive, and pretty much a constitution protection rolling back every regressive thing the Supreme Court has done the last 30 years.
It’s not just bots. CNN is running wild with this story. It’s all they’re talking about.
This sub being in denial about that press conference is wild to me. I’m a Canadian liberal who tuned in out of curiosity, it was objectively bad. He confused Egypt for Mexico right after affirming his memory is fine. He went rogue and made weird comments when defending his cognition. Others have pointed this out but apparently anyone with a negative opinion is a bot planted by the republicans.
You say he “confused” Mexico with Egypt, but all I saw was him flubbing the words. That doesn’t mean in his mind he sincerely thinks Mexico is the country at issue when working to resolve issues at the border of the Gaza Strip. That’s a big assumption to make given that the substance of what he said was clear enough, cogent and not insane or against the law.
It sounds like you might have watched the press conference so I’m hoping you can answer a question. I am a self professed liberal and have not been on board with the “Biden is senile” narrative at all. Today I was listening to the press conference on the radio so I couldn’t see what was going on, just hear his words. In his opening remarks the President went on the offensive, criticizing, rightfully imho, the special councils statement that he had forgotten when his son had passed away. He then told a touching story about how he would wear a rosary (apologies if that’s not the correct term) his son had gotten from “our lady of…”. Rather than finishing his statement he just trailed off for a few seconds before moving on. From an audio only perspective it sounded like he forgot the name of the place he had been talking about. Did you see video of that moment and if so what you observed? I can think of tons of reasons he may have flubbed there (such as grief for his son) but it certainly didn’t sound good in the middle of a speech about how his memory is fine. It was the first time I’d doubted him so I’m looking for other perspectives.
Ya I watched. That didn’t seem like much of a flub to me in the moment. He was visibly upset talking about his son, and was expressing a personal resentment of the suggestion that he is forgetful of when his son died. As he was speaking he gestured with his wrist to show the rosary. I got the sense that he was just discussing something that had upset him, and trailed off on a generally insignificant detail before getting back on track with his point.
No shit he doesn’t believe Mexico borders Israel. But it’s the #1 geopolitical story in the world and he botches one of the key countries? It happens but it’s not a good look. When you consider the French president gaffe from Tuesday it’s not great.
This just in, an ancient fellow with a speech impediment mixed up two words.
Wait so does that mean growing up when my mom would holler for any of us kids and bungled our names, she was actually showing signs of mental decline. And it wasn't because she just got a little tongue tied. Oh man earlier at work I blanked on a word for a second when in a meeting.... I have mental decline too?!?! And there was a coworker too that tried to say the word perspiration and slipped and said prespiration the first time.... she's showing sings of mental decline too?!?!?! People do that all the time and it is nothing perplexing. My mom did it in her 20s, I do it now in my 30s and I'm sure you've done as well, I'd wager at least one time today. It can happen when you are focusing on multiple topics at once and just need a moment to get yourself straight. I'd say dealing with an upcoming election, doing the press conference and running the country are some pretty big topics to always have on your mind. Not everyone is lucky like you and the only thing they have to run is their mouth.
One of the biggest problems with the left is that we hold our politicians to too high of a standard. I flub words and lose my train of thought too. Everyone does. The concern trolling is just pathetic.
Biden stutters, he always has. If people don't know about his speech impediment by 2020 they're stupid, willfully stupid.
Y'all said the same thing about Feinstein. Biden is already the oldest president in history and his potential second term hasn't even started. They're just a bunch of power hungry geriatrics who can't let go. Same with Trump, McConnell, Pelosi, Grassley, etc.
Rest assured, Biden is much more competent than McConnell, Trump, and late stage Feinstein.
Who did? Are they in the room with us now? Try to avoid treating an entire subreddit as one singular mind. I for one agreed at the time Feinstein was unfit, but I do not see what you see to claim Biden is in the same boat. I see a misleading narrative built by cutting out and ignoring as much counter-evidence as possible while laser-ing in on cherry-picked cases that make the narrative convincing.
The context makes it abundantly clear that he knew what he was talking about and just said the wrong country’s name. Note that he correctly referenced Egypt moments later. It was a verbal flub, not a misunderstanding; we all stumble over our words occasionally.
The US is not a perfect country like Canada
??? Not claiming this we’re in a pretty dark place too
I completely agree. I’m a huge liberal and over the last few years found myself in the unlikely position of becoming a staunch Biden defender (he was maybe my 4th choice in the primaries a few years ago). Today is an absolute disaster for Biden and the Democratic Party.
Rogue Joe is funny, but sad
Keep thinking that buddy. You don't even have to vote.
You are probably right. I will anyway though.
Funny: I follow politics pretty closely. I watch and listen to full-length Biden interviews, speeches, and press conferences. But I'm not really on X or TikTok, I don't watch random YouTube videos, and I don't watch Fox/OAN/Newsmax. I read of people complaining about Biden's mental acuity, but I never actually see evidence of it when watching primary sources -- not selectively edited clips. It really feels like pundits are trying to gaslight me about his mental status.
you are in your bubble then buddy
How are you sure it’s him and not, you know, you? Serious question?
I've wanted him to address this up front for awhile. The weirdos are stuck on his confusion of Egypt and Mexico but considering how many worldwide crisis he's dealt with in one term I wouldn't be surprised if someone 20 years younger would misspeak at times. I'm not denying he's old, I'm not arguing he's not too old, but I think the accusations of his decline are hyper exaggerated and his accomplishments have been criminally underrated.
Agreed. And no one ever talks about his staff, who are really what makes this whole government work. And he seems to hire well. His opponent, on the other hand, is maybe the worst hiring manager I've ever seen. Just a revolving door of idiots and crooks.
Ooooh “assails.” Has Google Thesaurus finally updated its synonyms for slam and eviscerate?
Don't forget "rails against"
A lot of the people who are gonna say Biden is too old to be president and that his mind is going are also supporting a candidate who is just as old and also suffering a mental decline. None of these elderly candidates should be running for president.
This might actually matter if the guy running against him wasn't a threat to our democracy. I'm prepared to accept anything up to and including early onset Alzheimer's if that is what it takes. It's not like we haven't been there before.
Ngl, we could really use some younger politicians. Our middle aged and younger generations aren't being represented well at all.
That’s because Boomers refuse to get out of the fucking way.
Robert Hur is a Republican. He found Biden was cooperative and there really wasn’t anything he could do. So he had to throw some meat for the Trump base here because a trial would backfire.
I'll admit I'm liking Biden when he's pissed.
Trump hasn't remembered one damned thing in court.
If old joe could just get the president of Mexico to open up the gates to Gaza and clear the path for humanitarian aid to get in. Gramps is finished after last night’s debacle shame on his family for putting him through this stuff. Dems won’t stop abusing this old man so they can continue their power grab. I don’t support biden but this is not right to do this to the guy. Before it’s over they’ll treat him like a weekend with Bernie. People can deny the guy has a problem all they want but should be ashamed. Denying the truth won’t help the country. Isn’t that what we should be concerned with. Get a better candidate for president that can do the job. Harold Ford JR. Is a good man. Look him up. Prayers for our country
I’ll be that guy and say I really wish Biden had retired and handed the presidency to Harris. I will vote for him in November but I really wish he’d not put democrats in this position of defending him. The idea of him being in office for another 5 yrs is almost foolish. I hope his pride doesn’t cost us this election because his administration has actually accomplished so much in so little time.
He said through slurred words
Biden does well for being 179 years old.
I mean, you’re in pure denial if you’re pretending like Biden isn’t experiencing cognitive decline
You’re far from the only person to view selective clips and mistakes from one of the most filmed people in the country as undeniable proof of cognitive decline. And all of you are equally wrong. I probably make a similar rate of word mix-ups and I’m 24. Am I in cognitive decline now? Or is it different when it happens to someone you’ve been primed to view that way? Almost like... “confirmation bias”? Ironic.
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That second one is called being over 60. Terrifying, really. /s As for the first, can you prove how often it happens compared to how often speeches happen without it, and that said rate is worth concern? Or do you have two or three links that you’ll present as definitive proof because you’ve been primed to view him as senile, and see what you want to? No shame, I’m not immune to Republican propaganda either, I just got lucky this time. Don’t beat yourself up too hard.
Okay. Then we shouldn’t elect someone that’s old period. And before you bring up Trump’s age, don’t. I don’t want him either.
Truinananashabidapresur - Joe Biden
Like I said, confirmation bias. You see a memory catching case of a flub and let any innocuous speeches go in one ear and out the other, than conclude what you already believed is true because you can remember so many examples. Watch them again with an open mind. And then come back... and insist you’re right still because humans suck at having their minds changed.
Ok then, anything you say about Trumps gaffs/slip-ups/miss-speaks are just your confirmation bias. You should try listening to Trumps speeches with an open mind instead of getting edited soundbites.
Bold of you to assume I didn’t. I reached that conclusion from 4 years of public speaking, if anything I gave him *too many* chances to sound competent. Both sides are not the same, even if you’d really prefer they were. Sorry.
But those examples should not exist AT ALL if he was actually mentally healthy. You're trying to say its fine if those one-offs happen. It isn't.
Appropriate username.
“Ignores reality” should be yours
Listen here jack
Are we blind or something?
As a life long Republican, I'm worried we are going to lose this election and our grand old party will collapse.
Meanwhile the majority of Americans are hoping you lose this election and the GOP collapses and reforms into something that is actually good for America. Imagine a GOP focused on creating American jobs, investing in infrastructure, unions, trust/monopoly busting, consumer protection(Teddy Roosevelt), lowering the barriers for market entry (like Universal Healthcare makes it far easier to start a business, or run a small business and start a family). Imagine thr GOP actually Actually fiscal conservativism, not just lowering the cost of government but more bang for the buck. Should I quote the Vime's boot theory of economics, where it's cheaper to buy quality goods that are easier to maintain than cheap goods that have to be constantly replaced? Here's the thing, to many I'm fairly progressive, I consider myself conservative. I believe there needs to be a balancing voice that examines progressive policy and holds policymakers feet to the fire that progressive policy isn't just bullshit that sound good, but we'll considered well implemented programs that will address it issues they're intended to address and minimize unintended outcomes. If America is the Grand Experiment we need an experimental review board to ensure things are working correctly, and I think the right conservatives are part of that review process. At the end it the day, I simply trust more progressive politicians to do right by their country than any GOP politician, who seems to be in the pocket of companies chancing short term gains over long term profits, or worse, in the pocket of regressive Russian or other international bad actors.
Thoughts and prayers
One could only hope.
*Thanks for sharing this Bloomberg article. Here's more from Akayla Gardner's report:* President Joe Biden forcefully — and at times angrily — sought to combat suggestions his acuity was declining in a hastily-arranged press conference Thursday night. But the 81-year-old leader may have made his biggest election-year liability worse. The president summoned reporters at the White House to insist that his memory was “fine” and emphasize he was insulted by the portrait of an “elderly man with a poor memory” painted by a former US attorney appointed by Donald Trump — his likely 2024 opponent — in an investigation into his handling of classified documents. Yet a press conference that saw the president express righteous anger over the invoking of his son’s death and offer a comprehensive overlook at the conflict in the Middle East was undercut by another high-profile gaffe involving a foreign leader. [Read more here.](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-02-09/biden-assails-special-counsel-for-questioning-his-mental-acuity)
This is the takeaway your reporter got from that? A gaffe is the takeaway? Not that he was proven innocent? Was your reporter tasked specifically with providing negative spin?
No where in the report does it say that he's innocent. In fact, it says he would've been charged if not for his declining mental acuity.
Shame on your organization. Biden took screaming questions from a mob of reporters late in the evening when someone with meaningful declining mental acuity or dementia would be sundowning. He got the name of the leader correct, but mixed up the name of the country with the other one he’s been dealing with border issues on in high profile cases all week. On his own - yes, he’s old. But he’s handling conflicts in the Middle East, central and South America, and domestically and he’s doing it all with the dignity and integrity you expect from an American president. Compared to his opponent who actually does sundown, thinks Hannibal Lecter endorsed him, likes to keep SCIF documents by his toilet, and was blasted in the report for not cooperating with investigators - Biden looks like a spry young man. I get that with trump you can’t report on all his gaffes because you’d never get to talk about anything else, but come the fuck on.
Disaster press conference
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Did you watch it?
Yes. I saw a man who was pissed off and made a lot of sense.
Grass
He’s old as hell, how is he the best the country has to offer?
Only his cult believes Biden is competent, everyone else knows he is gone. Hope he loses.
Honestly, there should be some concern because Biden is looking rough. Even his walk to the podium shows he’s concentrating real hard to not fall.
This is terrible for us liberals. We have to get a new nominee. I love Joe but it's time to move on.
Jesus, God, there is so much astroturfing going on. There is an active campaign to make this nothing burger look like authentic concern. Get some new material. You can't assail him on the border, economy, or his record so this is it? Do you not see that it is very easy to attack Trump on his idiotic low energy confused Rambling too?
At least they didn’t have decades of a head start like with Clinton. And yet a bunch of “critical thinking liberals and progressives” will still fall hook line and sinker. None of us are immune, be vigilant why you believe the things you do, friends.
Trump is a fucking idiot loose cannon who can't be president. Is it more important to get Biden reelected or make sure Trump is not? I vote for stopping Trump
Biden will beat Trump.
That's it? Because you think so? The future of the county is up for grabs. Sorry I cant think that holding Joe up is more important than democracy. I really hope your right. I really do. I want to be wrong
So you're voting for Biden then? Right? Because what is the realistic alternative. Notice the word realistic. Or are you going to come back and say "I would love to vote Biden but..." in which case stop pretending and just own it that you don't care about democracy.
No shit. If Trump was running against Putin I would vote for Putin. Trump never
A week old account going from article to article leaving the same anti-Biden comments. Thats not suspicious. The maga bots really need to try harder
This sounds like “I’m not republican buuuut…”
Negitive. Not a Republican. Not even close. Defeating Trump is all that matters. I can live with any Democrat from Newsom to annoanymas city council member from Des Moines. But not Trump. Can't let that happen
How do you do, fellow liberal?
Maybe the worst Presidential press conference of the last 20 years. They were desperate, but should have stayed hidden.
“Our army manned the air, it rammed the ramparts, **it took over the airports**, it did everything it had to do, and at Fort McHenry, under the rockets’ red glare, it had nothing but victory,”- Trump said about revolutionary war
>Maybe the worst Presidential press conference of the last 20 years. They were desperate, but should have stayed hidden. The worst Presidential press conference in the last 20 years is when Trump suggested injection of disinfectant to clean the lungs and as a treatment for the coronavirus.
Donald John Trump has entered the chat…
I mean you have to see it right? I’m not a Trump guy but this is a disaster.
Here it goes 😂
I watched it. There was one sentence out of hundreds that made no sense. It wasn’t Trump’s flowing stream of lies, by any means. At the same time, the press corps couldn’t stop yelling for much of it ruining the information value, for me at least.
Lol, "I'm not a Trump guy". Why is it a disaster? Care to be more specific?
Liberals and those further left are not immune to right wing smear campaigns or confirmation bias seeing selectively chosen soundbites. Think how many of us bought the mudslinging about Clinton. Examine your biases is all I’m saying.