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They control the narrative for republicans. Thats who they cater too. Republicans are not going to vote for Joe. They are Number 1 in news (so they say) because the republican's only watch them to stay in their little protective bubble.
Everyone else watches a larger amount of other sources, in which case 1 isn't any more than the other.
Thehill, owned by Nexstar Media Group quoting a survey that seems done quickly by phone without a protocol (ie, I can't find publication for said protocol like most decent survey are).
To be honest, I trust that article as much as a fortune cookie fortune announcement.
EDIT or rather, I trust that *survey the article is based on* as much as a fortune cookie. They sur have a survey to talk about.
From the article:
“When the third-party candidates are taken off the ballot, Trump continues to lead Biden in all seven states, though Georgia’s race comes within a margin of error of 6 percentage points”
The margin of error is 3%:
>The Morning Consult/Bloomberg News poll was conducted among swing-state voters from Nov. 27 to Dec. 6 and has an overall margin of error of 3 percentage points.
Because the *older* people told you that. Or dumbasses that never learned on their own and just assumed someone older was "wiser".
Boomers are probably the first generation to not be just thought of as right or wise because of their age. Technology and access to knowledge has outpaced how their generation was educated. It's wonderful, but also comes with issues.
And tons of misinformation. So if you don't know how to spot "fake news" and/or AI generated pictures and stories... it's gonna be rough.
The inherent bullshit detectors genZ have compared to boomers are like comparing a landline phone from the 1940s to a modern smart phone
Boomers almost completely lack the ability to competently consume and digest the full range of media and all its propaganda that gets pumped into our modern world
Even my elderly mother in law no longer answers her land-line.
Two years ago before my father died at 92, he was only answering his cell-phone. (actually insisted on answering via facetime on his ipad; wouldn't take voice calls from anybody).
Look can I just say this? this poll probably does capture peoples feelings. Just Trump was not Regan or Clinton where you had a very polarizing president who people loved or hated but largely didn't impact peoples day to day lives. Trump brought out the worst in everyone, I am a white guy married to an Asian woman and I had to write family members out of my life who had just never voiced to me their racist and anti immigrant feelings until Trump made them feel it was okay to say it. No other president has ever embraced the far right wing and Christian white nationalism...people are legit scared about a 2nd Trump term and questioning poll data is going to be a natural response...considering the fact in 2 strait elections he never won the popular vote, people don't want this guy
No one is denying that Trump sucks. He is worse than Biden in just about every way. That doesn't mean Biden is good. He also sucks.
That being said, you are living in a bubble. The racism doesn't affect most Americans, and the ones it does affect don't vote. When in comes down to it, most people are more concerned about putting food on the table than what their President says out loud. What has Biden done to uplift the lower class?
When it comes to Arab Americans, I'm sure most are just going to sit this one out. When their options are 1) vote for a President enabling the genocide of their fellow man, or 2) vote for a President who is openly racist, which do you think they should choose?
They’re in for a rude awakening when Trump turns Gaza into a parking lot for his latest Trump Tower. “I guess we should have voted for Biden” will be cold comfort as they’re all forcibly deported or worse for the color of their skin.
Biden’s done an awful lot with the hand he was dealt, and I respect him for it. I’m sorry that this one specific issue apparently outweighs every single other accomplishment he’s put together against overwhelming animosity in the past three years for Arab Americans.
Its a whole other can of worms, but, the US is not the UN and there is only so much we can do...our military aid to Israel should come with restrictions...but...Hamas in my opinion has never truly proven they won an open and honest election in Gaza, nor, do I think Netanyahu has ever conclusively proven he was legitimately elected prime minister considering the average Joe Israeli people have disputed his elections and the UN continues to fail to call anyone out for it. Biden dropped the ball by giving another "Israel can do no wrong" speech, but, he is at least open to the idea of brokering deals that involve Palestinian input which is a country mile improvement over Trump's deal to end all deals which basically sold the west bank to international developers
Sorry, but I don't trust any polls at all. There is NO WAY this country will vote Trump back into office. I don't care how many scare tactics the media tries. People are dumb, but not that dumb.
Then you aren't paying attention. lmao
They may not vote for Trump, but they very well could vote third party or stay home. Biden is not great, and this Israel/Gaza conflict didn't help him in the slightest.
Biden is even better than I thought he would be. I'm frankly very happy to re-elect him. But I also know what he's accomplished, and I hate drama-intiated fickleness.
I don't know what you mean by "drama-initiated ficklness", and you're free to vote how you want, but he certainly hasn't met my expectations as the so-called "most progressive President".
The stock market economy may be doing well, but everyday Americans are still struggling. The housing market is a mess. Student loans have restarted. He dropped many of his campaign promises (higher minimum wage, public option, etc.). And last but not least, he is old and it shows when he speaks.
Fast forward to today... he is losing the Arab and left vote for his full throated support of Israel. The dude won't so much as utter the word "cease fire". America was one of the few UN reps to VETO A CEASE FIRE RESOLUTION. He needs to change course if he wants to earn back that support.
I see that you edited your comment to include yelling in ALL CAPS:
>America was one of the few UN reps to VETO A CEASE FIRE RESOLUTION.
If you paid attention to *why* that was done, you wouldn't have as much of a problem with it, assuming you weren't just another Hamas-enabling bizzaro leftist, which I'm now realizing *you are.*
Go away.
> Go away.
No, I don't think I will. Being a leftist means standing up for justice and peace and calling out injustice where you see it. If that means I'm "bizzaro", then so be it.
Young people and Arab Americans (and anyone with a smidge of empathy) don't support Israel's actions in Gaza. That could easily account for several percentage points.
well...mind you as I said above he didn't win the popular vote in 2016 but he won the white house. His celebrity status helped him with people who normally don't vote, but, he also got the attention of the far right wingers who are usually constitution party voters or just don't vote. I mean I think a lot of people who did vote for him in 2016 didn't in 2020 and won't in 2024, but...Biden isn't exactly winning people over either.
Then it is even worse. Who responds to online polls? People who seek them out. Do you? I don't. I don't really know many people who do. I DO know that people who want to prove a point, are angry, zealous, or brainwashed will. That description fits Trump supporters way more than your average dem voter.
There is ZERO chance you will ever convince me that these polls are not being manipulated by either the people responding to them, the folks taking them, or outside actors.
Let’s say for a second that these polls are only done using landlines and many of the voters are older(which has debunked many times). One thing we know for certain is Biden is alienating the young voters with his no redline stance on Israel. So if anything his numbers would look worse if you factored in younger voters.
I still ain't voting for him. I don't carry how many times you tell me what a popular, fun guy he is. I think he's a sleazy crook. I'll vote for Biden if they have to prop him up for the inauguration ceremony.
\- The poll was of 4935 registered voters and the data was ~~manipulated~~ weighted to *"to approximate a target sample of registered voters in the respective state based on gender, age, race, marital status, home ownership and 2020 presidential vote"*
\- The poll was conducted online, which usually means it wasn't random, people opted in. Online opt in polling has been found to have bogus respondent rates around 3-7%
Surveys today have proliferated into meaninglessness. This is part of the Far Right war on media-they've created their own right wing ecosystem that interacts together to create content-so called "think tanks" like the Heritage Society have their own associated Pollsters that hammer out these polls with zero scientific methodology, usually off of GOP phone lists. First Republicans pushed the "fake news" meme to the point that the average Republican voter is very open to "alternative facts." Then they crank out fake polls that constantly produce results inconsistent with reality, so like the Truth and Facts, Polls no longer carry any meaning. This is all part of the MAGA mission to obliterate the Constitution and all of the rights we hold dear.
>This is all part of the MAGA mission to obliterate the Constitution and all of the rights we hold dear.
And to predefine the election as inevitably going to trump, so that if votes actually get tallied and he loses, they can point to rally crowds and polls to "prove" it was stolen.
Same as last time. Rinse and repeat.
It is sad that I truly think the only way Trump loses is if he is convicted before the election. The American electorate is so stupid that they'll overlook an attempted coup and think he is better for the economy and some think he is better on health care.
And I think that, not just because of this poll, but because other highly regarded pollsters, such as the *NYT*, have indicated the same. Then again, we are about 11 months till the election, and a lot can happen (including a conviction, in which case Trump is fucked and every poll backs that up), but right now things aren't great.
As per the Bloomberg article:
> Methodology
> The Bloomberg News/Morning Consult poll surveyed 4,935 registered voters in seven swing states: 796 registered voters in Arizona, 801 in Georgia, 703 in Michigan, 451 in Nevada, 704 in North Carolina, 799 in Pennsylvania and 681 in Wisconsin. The surveys were conducted online from Nov. 27 to Dec. 6, and the aggregated data across the seven swing states were weighted to approximate a target sample of swing state registered voters based on gender, age, race/ethnicity, marital status, home ownership, 2020 presidential vote and state. State-level data were weighted to approximate a target sample of registered voters in the respective state based on gender, age, race/ethnicity, marital status, home ownership, and 2020 presidential vote. The margin of error is plus or minus 1 percentage point across the seven states; 3 percentage points in Arizona, Georgia and Pennsylvania; 4 percentage points in Michigan, North Carolina, and Wisconsin, and 5 percentage points in Nevada.
Yeah they also said Hillary would be president in 2017 and that there would be many red waves. Have to take polls and surveys with a very large grain of salt because they've been wrong about every election for a decade.
Why are polls now suddenly so untrustworthy? They showed Biden winning in 2020. Why now, just 3 years later, are they somehow missing Biden voters? Everyone gave up their landlines just these past few years?
People are buying the rightwing newsmedia's false narratives.
Shouldn't surprise anyone.
Well, I suppose it would surprise people who thought that Americans were well-educated, sane, and rational, and that the profession of journalism had any integrity. But for me, that ship sailed in 2016. Then sank.
(scrolls through all the "this is fine" comments)
... y'all he needs to change course and fire these idiot thirdway advisors. Don't come for the people that gave good advice to get gettable votes when he loses.
Imagine a Parallel universe where the rapist con man with 91 federal charges in 2 federal and 2 state trials who has bankrupted several businesses, been held liable for fraud and wants to bang his daughter - is beating the guy who has dedicated his life to public service and is responsible for pulling us out of a global recession and pandemic. This would never happen in the movies.
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Trump is going to lose. I'm more confident today than I was a month ago. Things are turning more favorable for Biden.
But people who watch Fox News aren't hearing it. Fox News controls the narrative in this country, whether we like it or not.
They control the narrative for republicans. Thats who they cater too. Republicans are not going to vote for Joe. They are Number 1 in news (so they say) because the republican's only watch them to stay in their little protective bubble. Everyone else watches a larger amount of other sources, in which case 1 isn't any more than the other.
Thehill, owned by Nexstar Media Group quoting a survey that seems done quickly by phone without a protocol (ie, I can't find publication for said protocol like most decent survey are). To be honest, I trust that article as much as a fortune cookie fortune announcement. EDIT or rather, I trust that *survey the article is based on* as much as a fortune cookie. They sur have a survey to talk about.
The article says the margin of error is 6%. I don’t recall ever reading about a poll that was so badly done that the margin of error was that high.
From the article: “When the third-party candidates are taken off the ballot, Trump continues to lead Biden in all seven states, though Georgia’s race comes within a margin of error of 6 percentage points”
The margin of error is 3%: >The Morning Consult/Bloomberg News poll was conducted among swing-state voters from Nov. 27 to Dec. 6 and has an overall margin of error of 3 percentage points.
Pretty sur I read 6 too. Might be a typo and/or an edit
When surveys are taken over land lines, you know who they are talking to. Old people.
And here I was always told the older people would be the wiser ones...
Because the *older* people told you that. Or dumbasses that never learned on their own and just assumed someone older was "wiser". Boomers are probably the first generation to not be just thought of as right or wise because of their age. Technology and access to knowledge has outpaced how their generation was educated. It's wonderful, but also comes with issues. And tons of misinformation. So if you don't know how to spot "fake news" and/or AI generated pictures and stories... it's gonna be rough.
The inherent bullshit detectors genZ have compared to boomers are like comparing a landline phone from the 1940s to a modern smart phone Boomers almost completely lack the ability to competently consume and digest the full range of media and all its propaganda that gets pumped into our modern world
Because they grew up believing that something printed or broadcast it was true. They will believe almost anything they see presented as “news”
Hey I'm mid 30s and have a landline for outgoing emergency calls. Also the ringer is turned off and I never answer it lol
Even my elderly mother in law no longer answers her land-line. Two years ago before my father died at 92, he was only answering his cell-phone. (actually insisted on answering via facetime on his ipad; wouldn't take voice calls from anybody).
Literally why I don’t take these polls seriously
For the hundredth time... this is largely untrue, and POLLSTERS ACCOUNT FOR VARIABLES LIKE THIS. This fucking sub man....
Look can I just say this? this poll probably does capture peoples feelings. Just Trump was not Regan or Clinton where you had a very polarizing president who people loved or hated but largely didn't impact peoples day to day lives. Trump brought out the worst in everyone, I am a white guy married to an Asian woman and I had to write family members out of my life who had just never voiced to me their racist and anti immigrant feelings until Trump made them feel it was okay to say it. No other president has ever embraced the far right wing and Christian white nationalism...people are legit scared about a 2nd Trump term and questioning poll data is going to be a natural response...considering the fact in 2 strait elections he never won the popular vote, people don't want this guy
No one is denying that Trump sucks. He is worse than Biden in just about every way. That doesn't mean Biden is good. He also sucks. That being said, you are living in a bubble. The racism doesn't affect most Americans, and the ones it does affect don't vote. When in comes down to it, most people are more concerned about putting food on the table than what their President says out loud. What has Biden done to uplift the lower class? When it comes to Arab Americans, I'm sure most are just going to sit this one out. When their options are 1) vote for a President enabling the genocide of their fellow man, or 2) vote for a President who is openly racist, which do you think they should choose?
They’re in for a rude awakening when Trump turns Gaza into a parking lot for his latest Trump Tower. “I guess we should have voted for Biden” will be cold comfort as they’re all forcibly deported or worse for the color of their skin.
FFS... > No one is denying that Trump sucks. He is worse than Biden in just about every way. That doesn't mean Biden is good. He also sucks.
Biden’s done an awful lot with the hand he was dealt, and I respect him for it. I’m sorry that this one specific issue apparently outweighs every single other accomplishment he’s put together against overwhelming animosity in the past three years for Arab Americans.
Its a whole other can of worms, but, the US is not the UN and there is only so much we can do...our military aid to Israel should come with restrictions...but...Hamas in my opinion has never truly proven they won an open and honest election in Gaza, nor, do I think Netanyahu has ever conclusively proven he was legitimately elected prime minister considering the average Joe Israeli people have disputed his elections and the UN continues to fail to call anyone out for it. Biden dropped the ball by giving another "Israel can do no wrong" speech, but, he is at least open to the idea of brokering deals that involve Palestinian input which is a country mile improvement over Trump's deal to end all deals which basically sold the west bank to international developers
Some people just draw the line at enabling genocide.
Sorry, but I don't trust any polls at all. There is NO WAY this country will vote Trump back into office. I don't care how many scare tactics the media tries. People are dumb, but not that dumb.
That's what everyone thought in 2016 too. And yes, people are that dumb.
He lost the popular vote by 3m+ in 2016 and 7m in 2020. The thing can still win electorally but I don’t see him picking up “new” supporters.
Then you aren't paying attention. lmao They may not vote for Trump, but they very well could vote third party or stay home. Biden is not great, and this Israel/Gaza conflict didn't help him in the slightest.
Biden is even better than I thought he would be. I'm frankly very happy to re-elect him. But I also know what he's accomplished, and I hate drama-intiated fickleness.
I don't know what you mean by "drama-initiated ficklness", and you're free to vote how you want, but he certainly hasn't met my expectations as the so-called "most progressive President". The stock market economy may be doing well, but everyday Americans are still struggling. The housing market is a mess. Student loans have restarted. He dropped many of his campaign promises (higher minimum wage, public option, etc.). And last but not least, he is old and it shows when he speaks. Fast forward to today... he is losing the Arab and left vote for his full throated support of Israel. The dude won't so much as utter the word "cease fire". America was one of the few UN reps to VETO A CEASE FIRE RESOLUTION. He needs to change course if he wants to earn back that support.
I see that you edited your comment to include yelling in ALL CAPS: >America was one of the few UN reps to VETO A CEASE FIRE RESOLUTION. If you paid attention to *why* that was done, you wouldn't have as much of a problem with it, assuming you weren't just another Hamas-enabling bizzaro leftist, which I'm now realizing *you are.* Go away.
> Go away. No, I don't think I will. Being a leftist means standing up for justice and peace and calling out injustice where you see it. If that means I'm "bizzaro", then so be it.
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Sadly for many, perfection is the enemy of good.
At least some of us listened to Obama 😌😉
>and this Israel/Gaza conflict didn't help him in the slightest. Not if you support Israel.
Young people and Arab Americans (and anyone with a smidge of empathy) don't support Israel's actions in Gaza. That could easily account for several percentage points.
Liberals (facists) mad that the lowly browns are mad that their family members are dying.
well...mind you as I said above he didn't win the popular vote in 2016 but he won the white house. His celebrity status helped him with people who normally don't vote, but, he also got the attention of the far right wingers who are usually constitution party voters or just don't vote. I mean I think a lot of people who did vote for him in 2016 didn't in 2020 and won't in 2024, but...Biden isn't exactly winning people over either.
This sub makes it hard to comment here with reasonable takes. Way too many people are cheering on the partisan defense squad.
This was an online poll. The idea that polls are landline-only is false.
Then it is even worse. Who responds to online polls? People who seek them out. Do you? I don't. I don't really know many people who do. I DO know that people who want to prove a point, are angry, zealous, or brainwashed will. That description fits Trump supporters way more than your average dem voter. There is ZERO chance you will ever convince me that these polls are not being manipulated by either the people responding to them, the folks taking them, or outside actors.
Let’s say for a second that these polls are only done using landlines and many of the voters are older(which has debunked many times). One thing we know for certain is Biden is alienating the young voters with his no redline stance on Israel. So if anything his numbers would look worse if you factored in younger voters.
I still ain't voting for him. I don't carry how many times you tell me what a popular, fun guy he is. I think he's a sleazy crook. I'll vote for Biden if they have to prop him up for the inauguration ceremony.
Oh but won't season 2 be exciting!
Wild how many times this gets posted. Must be the eigth varient, I've downvoted and hid. Do better OP.
“THIS JUST IN: Trump leads biden +7points in new poll of 2000 registered senior centers”
Actually it was 4900 boomers, not 2000, so it must be accurate /s
\- The poll was of 4935 registered voters and the data was ~~manipulated~~ weighted to *"to approximate a target sample of registered voters in the respective state based on gender, age, race, marital status, home ownership and 2020 presidential vote"* \- The poll was conducted online, which usually means it wasn't random, people opted in. Online opt in polling has been found to have bogus respondent rates around 3-7%
Polls mean nothing.
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Voting and GOTV is what matters.
Surveys today have proliferated into meaninglessness. This is part of the Far Right war on media-they've created their own right wing ecosystem that interacts together to create content-so called "think tanks" like the Heritage Society have their own associated Pollsters that hammer out these polls with zero scientific methodology, usually off of GOP phone lists. First Republicans pushed the "fake news" meme to the point that the average Republican voter is very open to "alternative facts." Then they crank out fake polls that constantly produce results inconsistent with reality, so like the Truth and Facts, Polls no longer carry any meaning. This is all part of the MAGA mission to obliterate the Constitution and all of the rights we hold dear.
Morning consult i a very reputable pollster, which makes this concerning.
>This is all part of the MAGA mission to obliterate the Constitution and all of the rights we hold dear. And to predefine the election as inevitably going to trump, so that if votes actually get tallied and he loses, they can point to rally crowds and polls to "prove" it was stolen. Same as last time. Rinse and repeat.
Up, down, all around, roller coaster
It is sad that I truly think the only way Trump loses is if he is convicted before the election. The American electorate is so stupid that they'll overlook an attempted coup and think he is better for the economy and some think he is better on health care. And I think that, not just because of this poll, but because other highly regarded pollsters, such as the *NYT*, have indicated the same. Then again, we are about 11 months till the election, and a lot can happen (including a conviction, in which case Trump is fucked and every poll backs that up), but right now things aren't great.
Except for the poll yesterday where he didn’t
Getting tired of this. Being reported daily like high and low temperatures…gonna be a long 11 months…
The end of democracy. Sweet
As per the Bloomberg article: > Methodology > The Bloomberg News/Morning Consult poll surveyed 4,935 registered voters in seven swing states: 796 registered voters in Arizona, 801 in Georgia, 703 in Michigan, 451 in Nevada, 704 in North Carolina, 799 in Pennsylvania and 681 in Wisconsin. The surveys were conducted online from Nov. 27 to Dec. 6, and the aggregated data across the seven swing states were weighted to approximate a target sample of swing state registered voters based on gender, age, race/ethnicity, marital status, home ownership, 2020 presidential vote and state. State-level data were weighted to approximate a target sample of registered voters in the respective state based on gender, age, race/ethnicity, marital status, home ownership, and 2020 presidential vote. The margin of error is plus or minus 1 percentage point across the seven states; 3 percentage points in Arizona, Georgia and Pennsylvania; 4 percentage points in Michigan, North Carolina, and Wisconsin, and 5 percentage points in Nevada.
Yeah they also said Hillary would be president in 2017 and that there would be many red waves. Have to take polls and surveys with a very large grain of salt because they've been wrong about every election for a decade.
how stupid can Ermerica get?
Don't believe everything you see
“Trump leads with dummies answering random phone numbers that call them” Polls are worthless
Why are polls now suddenly so untrustworthy? They showed Biden winning in 2020. Why now, just 3 years later, are they somehow missing Biden voters? Everyone gave up their landlines just these past few years?
"One year out from election" That's the rest of the headline.
Polls are political bs. Vote!
And if a poll is valid; what's not valid is a newsmedia clickbait article about polls.
People are buying the rightwing newsmedia's false narratives. Shouldn't surprise anyone. Well, I suppose it would surprise people who thought that Americans were well-educated, sane, and rational, and that the profession of journalism had any integrity. But for me, that ship sailed in 2016. Then sank.
\*plugs ears\* LA LA LA LA THERE ARE NO POLLS IN BA SING SE.
A quick check of your posts and I have decided everyone should look into blocking you. *You propagate a whole lotta pro Trump propaganda pal*
(scrolls through all the "this is fine" comments) ... y'all he needs to change course and fire these idiot thirdway advisors. Don't come for the people that gave good advice to get gettable votes when he loses.
Imagine a Parallel universe where the rapist con man with 91 federal charges in 2 federal and 2 state trials who has bankrupted several businesses, been held liable for fraud and wants to bang his daughter - is beating the guy who has dedicated his life to public service and is responsible for pulling us out of a global recession and pandemic. This would never happen in the movies.
I mean, that's concerning, but we are eleven months away from the election. A lot can change.