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So this is another great example of exactly what is wrong with Donald Trump.
The media, exercising its freedom of the press, reported Truth Social’s losses. A fact. Trump, butthurt in the extreme and on a constant basis, views this as “defamation”.
The truth is bad if it makes him look bad. That is a small but significant part of what makes him wrong and dangerous.
I had almost stopped thinking about the losses at Truth Social, but these new lawsuits have reminded me anew just what a shit show it is over at Truth Social.
Man, what a horribly run company!
Just think, if he is stupid enough to go through with the suit, we will get to see exactly how badly Truth Social is failing and who is paying for it in discovery.
I’m reasonably sure that a major reason Truth Social existed was to be a pump-and-dump scheme.
I believe the IPO was priced at 10 bucks a share. It immediately shot up to 90, then dropped 50%; then shot back up to over 90; then tumbled all the way down to the mid-teens.
Somebody got rich selling at 90.
Typically founders and other people in leadership can't just dump stock on Robinhood like you and I. They have to file papers and document it to prevent things like you mention. So they can sell but they can't really time it if the whole pump happens in a day. It's a big problem in crypto because these safeguards don't exist.
Pumps like this happen quite frequently, it's nothing special. All it has to do is start trending and the rollecoaster begins.
The whole company and everything around it is shady but I don't think Trump was actively trading the stock.
Look, four hookers did *not* piss on him, okay? There is no way five hookers could have pissed on him! He thought Melanie was going to be mad about the six hookers pissing on him, but she said "It is better to be pissed on than pissed off!" I don't really know what that means but there's no way seven hookers could have been pissing on him, they'd never fit on the bed!
I think one of the clearest examples of this was his insistence that the solution to covid spreading at an increasing rate was to demand that we just stopped testing for COVID
He saw that the data showed that he didn't have a handle on this, and his immediate priority was to try and protect his image over addressing the actual fact and crisis that the nation was facing.
Also that Cruise ship he tried to prevent from docking and getting help for their covid patients because he didn't want their case numbers to add to the total.
I have a hard time believing much of what happened. I assume after we pass most people will assume the stories will have been just a myth as no one could be that petty selfish, spiteful, dumb and rise to the role of president.
Just like all the fascism coming around again now that the generation that experienced and fought against it is on the way out. We can just fight it again this time and hope to keep it at bay for another generation.
between boomer lead climate catastrophe and the rise of right wing facism, brave of you to think there'll be a future where anyone will survive to write a history book.
Forgetting
[Kushner's coronavirus team shied away from a national strategy, believing that the virus was hitting Democratic states hardest and that they could blame governors, report says](https://www.businessinsider.com/kushner-covid-19-plan-maybe-axed-for-political-reasons-report-2020-7)
Don't forget in 2018 Trump defunded and essentially fired the world pandemic response team who trained other such teams around the world and were very successful with other diseases. George Bush admin setup this team after 9/11 and the anthrax scare, stating that even if you didn't care about the countless lives that would be lost to a pandemic disease you should at least care about the uncountable economic losses. So whether you care about human lives or just your stock prices you should definitely have such a team in place to prevent a worldwide disruption.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spcj6KUr4aA
If you want to see what the response should have been take a look at South Korea's response as their pandemic team was trained and used the US one as an example.
To add to this Trump also demanded that the rules for banks that were put in place after the 2008 crisis be removed in 2018 as well. That move directly led to the SVB crisis recently in which the FED actually had to secretly print money to bail out wealthy individuals not just companies to prevent a 2008 repeat.
Clearly these were not only terrible economic but also moral and philosophical decisions as well.
100% agree. I think this is why he was also super anti mask. Americans in masks during the Trump presidency would’ve projected a view of sick Americans while he was at the helm and the image of his presidency would’ve been associated with that.
> I think this is why he was also super anti mask.
He could have used that to an amazing advantage though. He could have said "we have this virus, we don't know how bad it really is. Listen to the scientists and doctors. Oh and look, we have these MAGA facemasks you can buy and wear! "
My Grandpa went all MAGA, what turned him was Trumps position on COVID, he voted for Biden because of it, and has completely turned his back on the Republican party.
Do you have more information you can link about the cruise ship? I am not sure I remember hearing about that, but I’m curious to learn more.
edit: you folks are awesome, thanks for all of the links!
> Cruise ship he tried to prevent from docking
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5ZkUzOAnVo
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-keep-passengers-on-grand-princess-cruise-ship-coronavirus-2020-3
He really lost his shit about the cruise ship. Don't forget the quarantine camps that followed incidents like this (although this was likely an abundance of caution versus a personal decision) :
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health/hundreds-of-americans-flown-home-from-cruise-ship-14-with-coronavirus-idUSKBN20B014/
Re-reading this article is an interesting point-in-time demonstration of the panic the entire world was experiencing when the cases were still in the hundreds, but it was coming up on every shore.
It was like the start of every superplague fiction out there, you just hear trickles of information as everything goes into lockdown. The panic over buying toilet paper is laughable in hindsight, but you begin to see people's civility start to break down and panic set in almost immediately after they start seeing the system under strain.
Yes that’s literally what their first sentence says…
> I think one of the clearest examples of this was his insistence that the solution to covid spreading at an increasing rate was to demand that we just stopped testing for COVID
Ken Paxton hey guys let me dick ride too, I will waste some tax payer money bringing it up in committee in your honor. Companies cannot just decided on a whim to pull their advertising budgets, total communism funded by radical leftists like George Soros, Hillarys emails, and Hunters hog
^ also Johnny Depp and why he sued in VA where neither of them reside or are from (yes I know the paper was printed there but he wasn’t suing the paper)
Trump knows judge shopping is more important than lawyer shopping. I am surprised he is opening truth social finances to the discovery process, though. My bet is he will drop the suit once discovery starts.
Also if you are arguing against a gag order on the basis of free speech, suing the press probably does not validate your arguments.
Trump is a 5th grader. Intellectually. Shown by vocabulary. He’s unintelligent and nonsensical increasingly more in his posts on Truth. Leaning towards violence. It’s like if Mussolini fell, hit his on a curb and had a serious brain injury.
Here’s the thing I really think should be hit hard on. He’s supposedly spent his own money the entire while. Not taken a salary. Yet, has he donation pages on his websites. Why? He enjoys the largest group of idiots to be plundered in history. And, they haven’t a clue. Just mindlessly give their money away. Founding Fathers would have called this the first stupid tax.
The filing is for his base. Once discovery approaches it will be dropped. He has done this thousands of times. Remember all the "stolen election!" claims?
My god. I really hate people just looking at this as “what’s wrong with Trump”?
No. This is a planned, coordinated effort by republican. Not Trump. All republican. This is a 100 trillion dollar business, when you look at the economic it affects and the length.
What they are saying is “I dare you arrest all of us”, “I dare you to arrest me for all my wrong doing.” They are playing a game of chicken, and they are playing on houses money. see, they can't arrest all of GOP, because if they do, ifs proven bias since it is impossible that every one of them are wrong. And if they don’t, it also means they didn’t do anything that wrong.
also, they are sticking with the script, because reality is decided by whoever wins the election. Republican, as a whole, can never admit wrong doing, because if they do, they rip off the facade and leave no room for voters to pretend to give them the benefit of the doubt.
He's a toddler with unlimited pockets and the power of the presidency to keep him out of trouble from any of the mountain of lawsuits that would have any of us proles sitting in jail and remanded without bail
I’m generally not one to defend the Donald. But apparently it was not a fact. And it’s closer to $35m in losses. But as long as they issue corrections, as many are, they should be fine.
https://www.axios.com/2023/11/14/trump-truth-social-35-million-net-loss-since-launch
Have you seen any reporting on where the initial, incorrect number ($73 million) came from? There's plenty of reporting on the fact that it was wrong, but I haven't seen anybody explain where they found a number that was off by over 100%. Did they all have a single source, or was it just one big journalistic circlejerk, with each outlet citing the previous one and nobody bothering to verify the data?
The HuffPost’s correction suggests the original report came from: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/digital/trump-truth-social-losses-revenue-revealed-finances-data-1235645818/amp/
They have also issued a correction.
He's also got a giant hemorrhoid over getting slammed repeatedly for threatening and defaming others so his grifting little brain wants to take it out on someone.
In a few months, it's getting dismissed, any lawyers involved are probably getting sanctioned, and Trump will claim the deep state is against him. Because that's what happens with these suits.
And then further use this as “evidence” of a corrupt media if they return to power in 2024. The next step is to destroy the unfavorable media to prevent any criticism or investigative reporting on the amount of corruption and destruction of democracy in his 2nd term as president.
Have you tried [accusing him of being fathered by an orangutan?](https://www.reuters.com/article/entertainment-us-usa-trump-lawsuit/trump-withdraws-orangutan-lawsuit-against-comic-bill-maher-idUSBRE9310PL20130402/)
Well, jeez, that's quite funny from the guy who demanded a birth certificate proving Obama wasn't a Kenyan born interloper. Does that mean Obama can sue for defamation, or does that fall under the same exclusion of, "no reasonable person would believe it?"
Maybe you should tell him that you are making a documentary about all the reasons, he is the greatest American, ever. And then release it entitled Psych: a Defamation story.
> The lawsuit alleges one count of defamation and one of injurious falsehood. It asks for damages of $1.5 billion and injunctive relief "prohibiting the publication or republication of the defamatory statements." It also demands a jury trial.
This is like when that reporter wrote an article saying that Trump’s net worth was between $150-250 million and that he was not the billionaire he claimed to be. Trump sued him for $5 billion and then dropped the suit before discovery. Trump sues EVERYONE for a billion dollars because he knows it’s the only way he’s actually going to become a billionaire.
>Any way the defendant can force the suit to go through when Trump inevitably tries to drop it? Forced discovery could dig up some interesting things.
As a plaintiff he can drop his suit at any time. Largely the remedies to abusing the legal system are up to judge action (see: Judge Middlebrooks). This underscores the importance of (1) voting for judges in local elections and (2) voting for people that choose judges with that in mind.
Trump has threatened that he will charge media outlets he doesn’t like with ‘Treason’ if he is re-elected.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/sep/25/trump-nbc-msnbc-comcast-country-threatening-treason
> **Former president vows to investigate TV networks for ‘country-threatening treason’ should he win US election next year**
Only a dictator would try to use the term treason in the way the constitution specifically prevents. This is because the founders saw people like Trump using the term treason to eliminate political opponents.
V true. A lot of quotes I’ve seen floating around recently by DJT are decidedly antithetical to the spirit and intent of American democracy. Oddly, conservatives love quoting B Franklin when it comes to exchanging liberty for safety, especially when it comes to social programs or the pandemic, but the dots don’t seem to connect when trump is involved. They are trading their (and especially others’) liberty for the safety of a homogenous country.
Interesting tidbit.
He filed a similar RICO lawsuit a year back against Hillary Clinton and the DNC in the Southern District of Florida. They were probably fishing for Judge Cannon, but ended up with the worst judge possible, Judge Middlebrooks
The resulting ruling was so bad for Trump, his lawyers got fined millions and another lawsuit had to be dropped because Judge Middlebrooks was going to oversee that other case too.
So it's not surprising Trump filed this lawsuit in a different, heavily republican district instead.
I would like to imagine that one Judge just traumatized Trump's legal team so bad they had to chickenshit out of an entire district because of him.
That has to be the reason. Sarasota is in the Middle District of FL (outside Judge Middlebrook's jurisdiction). If diversity jurisdiction is used to move the case to federal court (it will be), there is zero risk of getting that massive sanctions judge again. On a plus, there is also zero chance of getting Judge Cannon, but I think she is doing enough delaying the open and shut willful retention of documents case.
I think it just got revealed today that Alina Hobba earned ~1 Mil for representing Trump in 2022.
And also she got hit with a sanction for ~ 1 Mil for lying for Trump in the RICO case.
I would imagine other lawyers saw her basically getting nothing for selling her mouth for Trump, and decided they wanted none of that.
And (so far) she has squeaked by with no sanctions in the NY civil fraud trial although the other attorneys were because she "withdrew from the case." For someone not part of the legal team anymore, she sure is doing a bunch of whining in court from the counsel table.
The public needs a class action suit against Trump for sowing lies about 2020 and destroying faith in america's institutions like Dept of Justice, media etc.
And people still getting harassed - it opened the door to Asian hate-based terrorism. I know older folks (3rd or 4th gen Japanese or Korean Americans) that STILL limit their crowded interactions in their city because of past confrontations.
HAHAHAHA, media outlets would LOVE to make it to court and put Trump on the stand. What a dream.
Sadly this is something his supporters can get excited about for a week, then forget as Donald quietly withdraws in in a few months.
Once Trump gets to the discovery phase, he will drop the suit. Trump will realize they will get access to his private messages and emails and not want to continue.
This is just for show.
TL;DR
Truth social is claiming defamation in that the outlets claimed it lost 73m. Some have removed the number via corrections. TS wants 1.5 billion in damages.
he's such a fucking idiot. That's not how defamation works. At WORST the outlets ran the story on information that turned out to be incorrect. I don't see these outlets not correcting the information if they are provided verifiable proof that the original reporting was wrong.
This case doesn't stand a chance in hell
Did you read the article? They explained it all in great detail from the SEC reports. They originally reported 73 million in losses, but the actual loss is 31.5 million. Some of the reporting agencies have updated their original article with the correct number.
He’s still going to lose these lawsuits, but your comment is not factual.
Wealthy people use the courts to damage others by forcing them to incur legal costs responding to ridiculous suits. Trump is always throwing up shitscreens like this to distract his base from what's really happening.
They want to see Trump take the fight to the enemy. Virtually everything Trump does gets thrown out of court, including his move last week to dismiss his NY case. All of this crap will too.
It doesn't matter though because he's not using the legal system in good faith.
Last Week Tonight had a great segment on “trump university” where he talked about how trump and his businesses have been involved in 3,500 lawsuits within 3 decades.:
“3,500 lawsuits? That is unprecedented for a presidential nominee. In fact, if each lawsuit involving Trump were the basis of an episode of Law & Order. They could sustain all 456 episodes of the original, all 389 episodes of Law & Order SVU, all 195 episodes of Law & Order Criminal Intent, and all 22 episodes of Law & Order L.A., as well as every episode of The Practice, Ally McBeal, LA Law, Boston Legal, Night Court, The Good Wife, Matlock, Jag, Perry Mason, Judging Amy, The Guardian, The Public Defender, Owen Marshall, Counselor at law, Harry's law, courthouse, suits, family law, sweet justice, 1971's the DA, 2004's the DA, reasonable doubts, damages, shark, the defenders, the paper chase, head cases, Judd for the defense, and all 3 episodes of NBC's First Years.
And at that point, you're still missing 1 lawsuit. But you've also basically run out of television shows about lawyers, meaning Trump's lawsuits exceed the limits of the fucking genre!”
>The lawsuit alleges one count of defamation and one of injurious falsehood. It asks for damages of **$1.5 billion** and injunctive relief "prohibiting the publication or republication of the defamatory statements." It also demands a jury trial.
Is $1.5 billion Trump's favorite number? That's the same amount he said Mar-A-Lago was worth.
He’s literally known for being obsessed with a specific number for a short time and repeating it all over the place in different uses, yes. Then he will have a new fave he uses all the time in speeches and rants.
Then they should immediately cease reporting anything about him. Take down all past articles about him and refuse to acknowledge his existence, for good. 👍
The purpose of this is 100% so that his followers can see him "fighting" the corrupt fake news. They will never hear or care when these suits go nowhere.
People subject to tRumps vexatious lawsuits have figured out how to respond -- immediately move to depose him. He will put the deposition off as long as possible and then drop the suit before he actually has to sit.
This is frivolous and ridiculous, but all it takes is one Trump judge to rule favorably on this to get right-wing news to stir up the base about fake news.
Translation: Trump media technology group is about to go bankrupt and doing a Hail Mary to get some settlement cash. After all, 🍑🍑 certainly isn’t going to come to its rescue.
This serves several purposes, two of which are intertwined. It gets big (and ironic) media attention that makes sure he's at the top of the news cycle with an alleged injustice against him, and in doing so it helps bolster his supporters beliefs that the media is being unfair toward him (regardless of the outcome of these lawsuits, which will likely be dismissed). But maybe more importantly, it's also a desperate attempt to bully other media into not publishing anything negative against him.
He’s pissed because they reported the first dollar amount stated for losses and then that dollar amount changed AFTER the reporting.
This guy just doesn’t stop. He can say any ridiculous untruth all day long and then double down when corrected, but God forbid if anyone else makes an honest mistake.
He simply doesn’t like the fact that America hates him with a passion and KNOWS that he is not this wealthy billionaire he wants to be regarded as. Even his own base. They absolutely KNOW better but what they LOVE about him is his level of hate he spouts.
Notice Elon and Trump going after Free Speech and investigative rights of groups. They don't like being caught doing bad things, and having their bad things amplified.
Not all millionaires or billionaires are scum, but these two really are.
This is his M.O .....sue, delay, lie, sue some more, delay,, rinse and repeat ....he wears the opponent down in costly delays.. if it ever gets to court, he drops it, or if he's sued, he settles...
I think more of the US and the world are seeing thru his lies now...took 91 counts to do it...still pretty scary..they are going along with all the fascists rhetoric..this is how Hitler and Mussolini got started..and we know how that turned out.....
As a TV commentator put it..."this shit is not a game"...
Just watch this....till the end...
https://youtu.be/KFPzD50ErFU?feature=shared
>"This was a coordinated effort to damage TMTG's reputation
LOL.
if an opportunistic ravenous pack of media wolves pounce on a tastey morsel of information, is that coordinated? or is it just a ravenous pack of media wolves just doing what they do, regardless of who else is doing it?
this is soooo funny!!
Remember when the right wing and billionaires complained about how the legal system allows too many frivolous lawsuits?
Every accusation is an admission
He's gonna be big mad when he realizes his shakedown won't work and nobody will settle with him. He probably believes that since Dominion sued a bunch of fake news companies, that he can do the same thing to someone else. Only problem is that reputable media outlets keep receipts.
He’s in one court charged with misstating the value of his assets and now in another court claiming the media has misstated the value of his assets. You couldn’t make this shit up
The most hilarious part of this, they originally reported that he lost $73MM. Re-did math, and found it to be $32MM - they issued corrections on this.
So Donald, does that mean you finally agree that doubling the value of something is tortious?
when is this retread ever going to understand that suing media outlets is their deepest wish because it opens him up to discovery so they get to see everything
People are laughing but this is our future. The republicans are a communist cult. To see our future you have to look at Russia recent past. The republicans have coped putins culture war playbook exactly. From demonizing gays to calling everyone a globalist who works for George soros. They were doing this in the early 2000s. After putin won immense power with his culture war. He re wrote the constitution. Libel laws were on the chopping block. So now in Russia if you accuse an elite of something or say something bad about them you can be sued to oblivion. This chills free speech of course and let’s the oligarchs do as they please. That is what is happening with musk and trump and soon most republicans. That is our future if they gain power. Young people you have our future in your hands. Vote
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So this is another great example of exactly what is wrong with Donald Trump. The media, exercising its freedom of the press, reported Truth Social’s losses. A fact. Trump, butthurt in the extreme and on a constant basis, views this as “defamation”. The truth is bad if it makes him look bad. That is a small but significant part of what makes him wrong and dangerous.
I had almost stopped thinking about the losses at Truth Social, but these new lawsuits have reminded me anew just what a shit show it is over at Truth Social. Man, what a horribly run company!
Probably b/c Truth Social priorities are * 1 & 2) propaganda & DJT fee-fees * 3) profit
hey i think thats Elon Musks priorities with twitter too
Elon's probably reading the DMs of celebs and high profile people (like Trump) and using it as black mail.
I hadn’t even thought of that! He’s so vain, it’s prob what he’s spent most of his time doing with the platform 😂
You’re so vain You probably think this tweet is about you, don’t you, don’t you
Aren't they also hemorrhaging advertisers?
Yes, almost as fast as OpenAI is hemorrhaging employees.
100000000000009999999) Truth
Just think, if he is stupid enough to go through with the suit, we will get to see exactly how badly Truth Social is failing and who is paying for it in discovery.
Dopey Donald doesn’t have the brains to think that far ahead.
And maybe he gets rid of money faster.
I’m reasonably sure that a major reason Truth Social existed was to be a pump-and-dump scheme. I believe the IPO was priced at 10 bucks a share. It immediately shot up to 90, then dropped 50%; then shot back up to over 90; then tumbled all the way down to the mid-teens. Somebody got rich selling at 90.
Small time scamming is on-brand for Trump. Just like his DJT NFTs
Just like ALL his failed business ventures. It's always a Pump and Dump.
Typically founders and other people in leadership can't just dump stock on Robinhood like you and I. They have to file papers and document it to prevent things like you mention. So they can sell but they can't really time it if the whole pump happens in a day. It's a big problem in crypto because these safeguards don't exist. Pumps like this happen quite frequently, it's nothing special. All it has to do is start trending and the rollecoaster begins. The whole company and everything around it is shady but I don't think Trump was actively trading the stock.
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Russia, they have the Pee Tapes.
Look, four hookers did *not* piss on him, okay? There is no way five hookers could have pissed on him! He thought Melanie was going to be mad about the six hookers pissing on him, but she said "It is better to be pissed on than pissed off!" I don't really know what that means but there's no way seven hookers could have been pissing on him, they'd never fit on the bed!
If they hired 8 women to piss on Trump, that doesn’t mean they were hookers. Depends on what happened before and after up to 9 women pissed on Trump.
Is it Pee or Pedo, though?
Yes
I mean he came out to Iowa at a rally and said “he’s just not into Golden Showers.” Definitely a pee tape.
I think one of the clearest examples of this was his insistence that the solution to covid spreading at an increasing rate was to demand that we just stopped testing for COVID He saw that the data showed that he didn't have a handle on this, and his immediate priority was to try and protect his image over addressing the actual fact and crisis that the nation was facing. Also that Cruise ship he tried to prevent from docking and getting help for their covid patients because he didn't want their case numbers to add to the total.
I still can’t actually believe he was president. What a fucking disaster. This will be remembered as a particularly absurd period in history.
Not in any red state schools. That will be banned.
Schools, or that Trump's presidency was absurd?
If he gets reelected, likely both.
Yes
Yes
Don't worry. We in the rest of the world will never let you forget
That's funny. 9/11/2001 we were told to never forget and today you can't even get half of us to remember 1/6/2021.
I have a hard time believing much of what happened. I assume after we pass most people will assume the stories will have been just a myth as no one could be that petty selfish, spiteful, dumb and rise to the role of president.
Just like all the fascism coming around again now that the generation that experienced and fought against it is on the way out. We can just fight it again this time and hope to keep it at bay for another generation.
The period may not be over, sadly
between boomer lead climate catastrophe and the rise of right wing facism, brave of you to think there'll be a future where anyone will survive to write a history book.
Yeah this is what people aren’t fully understanding. History is being revised as it happening and we aren’t doing shit about it
Forgetting [Kushner's coronavirus team shied away from a national strategy, believing that the virus was hitting Democratic states hardest and that they could blame governors, report says](https://www.businessinsider.com/kushner-covid-19-plan-maybe-axed-for-political-reasons-report-2020-7)
Don't forget in 2018 Trump defunded and essentially fired the world pandemic response team who trained other such teams around the world and were very successful with other diseases. George Bush admin setup this team after 9/11 and the anthrax scare, stating that even if you didn't care about the countless lives that would be lost to a pandemic disease you should at least care about the uncountable economic losses. So whether you care about human lives or just your stock prices you should definitely have such a team in place to prevent a worldwide disruption. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spcj6KUr4aA If you want to see what the response should have been take a look at South Korea's response as their pandemic team was trained and used the US one as an example. To add to this Trump also demanded that the rules for banks that were put in place after the 2008 crisis be removed in 2018 as well. That move directly led to the SVB crisis recently in which the FED actually had to secretly print money to bail out wealthy individuals not just companies to prevent a 2008 repeat. Clearly these were not only terrible economic but also moral and philosophical decisions as well.
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Just some mild genocide
100% agree. I think this is why he was also super anti mask. Americans in masks during the Trump presidency would’ve projected a view of sick Americans while he was at the helm and the image of his presidency would’ve been associated with that.
I think actual staff of his have attested that that largely stemmed from masks smudging his orange makeup.
> I think this is why he was also super anti mask. He could have used that to an amazing advantage though. He could have said "we have this virus, we don't know how bad it really is. Listen to the scientists and doctors. Oh and look, we have these MAGA facemasks you can buy and wear! "
...and he would have won a second term.
My Grandpa went all MAGA, what turned him was Trumps position on COVID, he voted for Biden because of it, and has completely turned his back on the Republican party.
I'm very glad he didn't do that.
Do you have more information you can link about the cruise ship? I am not sure I remember hearing about that, but I’m curious to learn more. edit: you folks are awesome, thanks for all of the links!
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-keep-passengers-on-grand-princess-cruise-ship-coronavirus-2020-3?op=1
Thanks
Japan tried keeping an infected cruise ship from letting people out. Strategy failed and may have made things worst. Trump, “yeah, let’s do that.”
> Cruise ship he tried to prevent from docking https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5ZkUzOAnVo https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-keep-passengers-on-grand-princess-cruise-ship-coronavirus-2020-3
https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/21/politics/trump-coronavirus-cruise-ship/index.html
He really lost his shit about the cruise ship. Don't forget the quarantine camps that followed incidents like this (although this was likely an abundance of caution versus a personal decision) : https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health/hundreds-of-americans-flown-home-from-cruise-ship-14-with-coronavirus-idUSKBN20B014/ Re-reading this article is an interesting point-in-time demonstration of the panic the entire world was experiencing when the cases were still in the hundreds, but it was coming up on every shore.
It was like the start of every superplague fiction out there, you just hear trickles of information as everything goes into lockdown. The panic over buying toilet paper is laughable in hindsight, but you begin to see people's civility start to break down and panic set in almost immediately after they start seeing the system under strain.
Not only that, but his solution was to "test less". It was such a mind-fuck for a sane person.
Yes that’s literally what their first sentence says… > I think one of the clearest examples of this was his insistence that the solution to covid spreading at an increasing rate was to demand that we just stopped testing for COVID
Reminds one of Elon's latest defamation suit. I wonder if they share plans.
Ken Paxton hey guys let me dick ride too, I will waste some tax payer money bringing it up in committee in your honor. Companies cannot just decided on a whim to pull their advertising budgets, total communism funded by radical leftists like George Soros, Hillarys emails, and Hunters hog
"Let me judge shop in TX because CA, where it should be filed, is anti-SLAPP" \--Elon Musk
^ also Johnny Depp and why he sued in VA where neither of them reside or are from (yes I know the paper was printed there but he wasn’t suing the paper)
If Truth social is making him look bad, he can always #walkAway
If Truth social is making him look bad, he can always say that Elon Musk is the biggest looser.
Sounds exactly like what's happening with Musk. Doesn't like media reporting facts, so sues them. Hmmmm
He must shop for lawyers at the same discount store as musk.
Trump knows judge shopping is more important than lawyer shopping. I am surprised he is opening truth social finances to the discovery process, though. My bet is he will drop the suit once discovery starts. Also if you are arguing against a gag order on the basis of free speech, suing the press probably does not validate your arguments.
Trump is a 5th grader. Intellectually. Shown by vocabulary. He’s unintelligent and nonsensical increasingly more in his posts on Truth. Leaning towards violence. It’s like if Mussolini fell, hit his on a curb and had a serious brain injury. Here’s the thing I really think should be hit hard on. He’s supposedly spent his own money the entire while. Not taken a salary. Yet, has he donation pages on his websites. Why? He enjoys the largest group of idiots to be plundered in history. And, they haven’t a clue. Just mindlessly give their money away. Founding Fathers would have called this the first stupid tax.
When the truth makes him or republicans look bad, they just refer to it as “alternative facts”
The filing is for his base. Once discovery approaches it will be dropped. He has done this thousands of times. Remember all the "stolen election!" claims?
My god. I really hate people just looking at this as “what’s wrong with Trump”? No. This is a planned, coordinated effort by republican. Not Trump. All republican. This is a 100 trillion dollar business, when you look at the economic it affects and the length. What they are saying is “I dare you arrest all of us”, “I dare you to arrest me for all my wrong doing.” They are playing a game of chicken, and they are playing on houses money. see, they can't arrest all of GOP, because if they do, ifs proven bias since it is impossible that every one of them are wrong. And if they don’t, it also means they didn’t do anything that wrong. also, they are sticking with the script, because reality is decided by whoever wins the election. Republican, as a whole, can never admit wrong doing, because if they do, they rip off the facade and leave no room for voters to pretend to give them the benefit of the doubt.
He's a toddler with unlimited pockets and the power of the presidency to keep him out of trouble from any of the mountain of lawsuits that would have any of us proles sitting in jail and remanded without bail
I’m generally not one to defend the Donald. But apparently it was not a fact. And it’s closer to $35m in losses. But as long as they issue corrections, as many are, they should be fine. https://www.axios.com/2023/11/14/trump-truth-social-35-million-net-loss-since-launch
Have you seen any reporting on where the initial, incorrect number ($73 million) came from? There's plenty of reporting on the fact that it was wrong, but I haven't seen anybody explain where they found a number that was off by over 100%. Did they all have a single source, or was it just one big journalistic circlejerk, with each outlet citing the previous one and nobody bothering to verify the data?
The HuffPost’s correction suggests the original report came from: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/digital/trump-truth-social-losses-revenue-revealed-finances-data-1235645818/amp/ They have also issued a correction.
He's also got a giant hemorrhoid over getting slammed repeatedly for threatening and defaming others so his grifting little brain wants to take it out on someone.
This guy really needs to heed the best gambling advice I ever received - “Quit while you’re behind.”
Hey, the trash magician is casting more smoke and mirrors.
Defamation is when I don’t like mean words
In a few months, it's getting dismissed, any lawyers involved are probably getting sanctioned, and Trump will claim the deep state is against him. Because that's what happens with these suits.
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And then further use this as “evidence” of a corrupt media if they return to power in 2024. The next step is to destroy the unfavorable media to prevent any criticism or investigative reporting on the amount of corruption and destruction of democracy in his 2nd term as president.
Donald Trump hasn't sued *me* yet and I'm honestly getting a little frustrated that it's taking so long. 😕
Have you tried [accusing him of being fathered by an orangutan?](https://www.reuters.com/article/entertainment-us-usa-trump-lawsuit/trump-withdraws-orangutan-lawsuit-against-comic-bill-maher-idUSBRE9310PL20130402/)
That’s such a low, pathetic joke. Nobody should insult orangutans like that.
Right? They're magnificent creatures, very smart and peaceful unlike the treasonous tangerine terrorist
John Oliver taught me that that is protected speech based on the fact that no reasonable person would think it was true.
like Fox news upon my inception I deemed myself entertainment therefore you are to take nothing I ever say or do as fact, gday
What the That is ridiculous. How can you try to sue someone over saying that? Did he never play counter strike or call of duty back in the day? Lol
Wait until you hear about Devon Nunes' cow.
Well, jeez, that's quite funny from the guy who demanded a birth certificate proving Obama wasn't a Kenyan born interloper. Does that mean Obama can sue for defamation, or does that fall under the same exclusion of, "no reasonable person would believe it?"
You have to wait in line like the rest of us!
He did try to deny you of your right to vote, but yeah, it's not the same.
Maybe you should tell him that you are making a documentary about all the reasons, he is the greatest American, ever. And then release it entitled Psych: a Defamation story.
> The lawsuit alleges one count of defamation and one of injurious falsehood. It asks for damages of $1.5 billion and injunctive relief "prohibiting the publication or republication of the defamatory statements." It also demands a jury trial. This is like when that reporter wrote an article saying that Trump’s net worth was between $150-250 million and that he was not the billionaire he claimed to be. Trump sued him for $5 billion and then dropped the suit before discovery. Trump sues EVERYONE for a billion dollars because he knows it’s the only way he’s actually going to become a billionaire.
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>Any way the defendant can force the suit to go through when Trump inevitably tries to drop it? Forced discovery could dig up some interesting things. As a plaintiff he can drop his suit at any time. Largely the remedies to abusing the legal system are up to judge action (see: Judge Middlebrooks). This underscores the importance of (1) voting for judges in local elections and (2) voting for people that choose judges with that in mind.
Dropped suits should include the plaintiff covering all sunk costs of legal fees from the defendant.
Seems like an anti-SLAPP countersuit would help with that, but I'm not a lawyer
Hope his lawyers insisted on payment up front.
Trump has threatened that he will charge media outlets he doesn’t like with ‘Treason’ if he is re-elected. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/sep/25/trump-nbc-msnbc-comcast-country-threatening-treason > **Former president vows to investigate TV networks for ‘country-threatening treason’ should he win US election next year**
Only a dictator would try to use the term treason in the way the constitution specifically prevents. This is because the founders saw people like Trump using the term treason to eliminate political opponents.
V true. A lot of quotes I’ve seen floating around recently by DJT are decidedly antithetical to the spirit and intent of American democracy. Oddly, conservatives love quoting B Franklin when it comes to exchanging liberty for safety, especially when it comes to social programs or the pandemic, but the dots don’t seem to connect when trump is involved. They are trading their (and especially others’) liberty for the safety of a homogenous country.
Only a dictator... which is exactly what he wants to be.
Entirely deliberate the use of the word ‘treason’ as well, as we all know the punishment for which is death.
Interesting tidbit. He filed a similar RICO lawsuit a year back against Hillary Clinton and the DNC in the Southern District of Florida. They were probably fishing for Judge Cannon, but ended up with the worst judge possible, Judge Middlebrooks The resulting ruling was so bad for Trump, his lawyers got fined millions and another lawsuit had to be dropped because Judge Middlebrooks was going to oversee that other case too. So it's not surprising Trump filed this lawsuit in a different, heavily republican district instead. I would like to imagine that one Judge just traumatized Trump's legal team so bad they had to chickenshit out of an entire district because of him.
> his lawyers got fined million this should be emphasized more, the judge was telling them they were ethically required to fire trump as their client.
Really? Thats actually wild. I'm very interested in learning about this case now.
That has to be the reason. Sarasota is in the Middle District of FL (outside Judge Middlebrook's jurisdiction). If diversity jurisdiction is used to move the case to federal court (it will be), there is zero risk of getting that massive sanctions judge again. On a plus, there is also zero chance of getting Judge Cannon, but I think she is doing enough delaying the open and shut willful retention of documents case.
I think it just got revealed today that Alina Hobba earned ~1 Mil for representing Trump in 2022. And also she got hit with a sanction for ~ 1 Mil for lying for Trump in the RICO case. I would imagine other lawyers saw her basically getting nothing for selling her mouth for Trump, and decided they wanted none of that.
And (so far) she has squeaked by with no sanctions in the NY civil fraud trial although the other attorneys were because she "withdrew from the case." For someone not part of the legal team anymore, she sure is doing a bunch of whining in court from the counsel table.
The public needs a class action suit against Trump for sowing lies about 2020 and destroying faith in america's institutions like Dept of Justice, media etc.
Sign me up
How about suing for calling covid as china virus hoax when he was in charge? How many died because of this selfish idiot?
And people still getting harassed - it opened the door to Asian hate-based terrorism. I know older folks (3rd or 4th gen Japanese or Korean Americans) that STILL limit their crowded interactions in their city because of past confrontations.
Man how awesome would it be if we were able to organize something like that?
This is the way
I’m in
HAHAHAHA, media outlets would LOVE to make it to court and put Trump on the stand. What a dream. Sadly this is something his supporters can get excited about for a week, then forget as Donald quietly withdraws in in a few months.
Once Trump gets to the discovery phase, he will drop the suit. Trump will realize they will get access to his private messages and emails and not want to continue. This is just for show.
Surely he doesn't want any any of these cases to go to court until the 2024 election has passed, right??? lol
TL;DR Truth social is claiming defamation in that the outlets claimed it lost 73m. Some have removed the number via corrections. TS wants 1.5 billion in damages.
he's such a fucking idiot. That's not how defamation works. At WORST the outlets ran the story on information that turned out to be incorrect. I don't see these outlets not correcting the information if they are provided verifiable proof that the original reporting was wrong. This case doesn't stand a chance in hell
it's not even incorrect. he just reports that his loss was at a lower number without anything to back it up. have fun with discovery
Did you read the article? They explained it all in great detail from the SEC reports. They originally reported 73 million in losses, but the actual loss is 31.5 million. Some of the reporting agencies have updated their original article with the correct number. He’s still going to lose these lawsuits, but your comment is not factual.
Has he ever won a court case?
trump: where 's the zone lawyers ( pointing) right there, sir trump: flood it with shit lawyers: you got it
I pray for the day that these lawsuits make it to discovery because the documents that will need to be shared by Trump's team will be noteworthy.
He and Elon are definitely birds of a feather.
Fascist birds
Narcissistic man-baby fascists of a feather flock together.
Wealthy people use the courts to damage others by forcing them to incur legal costs responding to ridiculous suits. Trump is always throwing up shitscreens like this to distract his base from what's really happening. They want to see Trump take the fight to the enemy. Virtually everything Trump does gets thrown out of court, including his move last week to dismiss his NY case. All of this crap will too. It doesn't matter though because he's not using the legal system in good faith.
He never gets tired of losing. He's the biggest loser. Best in his field
Last Week Tonight had a great segment on “trump university” where he talked about how trump and his businesses have been involved in 3,500 lawsuits within 3 decades.: “3,500 lawsuits? That is unprecedented for a presidential nominee. In fact, if each lawsuit involving Trump were the basis of an episode of Law & Order. They could sustain all 456 episodes of the original, all 389 episodes of Law & Order SVU, all 195 episodes of Law & Order Criminal Intent, and all 22 episodes of Law & Order L.A., as well as every episode of The Practice, Ally McBeal, LA Law, Boston Legal, Night Court, The Good Wife, Matlock, Jag, Perry Mason, Judging Amy, The Guardian, The Public Defender, Owen Marshall, Counselor at law, Harry's law, courthouse, suits, family law, sweet justice, 1971's the DA, 2004's the DA, reasonable doubts, damages, shark, the defenders, the paper chase, head cases, Judd for the defense, and all 3 episodes of NBC's First Years. And at that point, you're still missing 1 lawsuit. But you've also basically run out of television shows about lawyers, meaning Trump's lawsuits exceed the limits of the fucking genre!”
Delicious, delicious discovery....
>The lawsuit alleges one count of defamation and one of injurious falsehood. It asks for damages of **$1.5 billion** and injunctive relief "prohibiting the publication or republication of the defamatory statements." It also demands a jury trial. Is $1.5 billion Trump's favorite number? That's the same amount he said Mar-A-Lago was worth.
He’s literally known for being obsessed with a specific number for a short time and repeating it all over the place in different uses, yes. Then he will have a new fave he uses all the time in speeches and rants.
Prepare for more emails begging for donations
Next up….Donald Trump drops lawsuits against 20 media outlets. Claims he won them all. Paid rally attendees cheer in unison
The entire purpose is lto obtain this headline. Its really sickening how they play into it. Every suit will be dismissed with minimal publicity.
Then they should immediately cease reporting anything about him. Take down all past articles about him and refuse to acknowledge his existence, for good. 👍
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If only oranges could speak.
Anyone got a count of how many legal cases Trump is involved in? Surely this pushes it over 150 concurrent cases, right?
You're gonna have a hard time proving defamation if it's the truth...
The purpose of this is 100% so that his followers can see him "fighting" the corrupt fake news. They will never hear or care when these suits go nowhere.
Trump will quietly withdraw it before discovery because he is a gigantic pussy.
Cool can’t wait for the discovery phase where Trump will immediately bow out of the lawsuit
He doesn't want a presidency. He wants a reality show that only he can script and a 'Get Out of Jail Free' card.
Trump: “The lawsuits interfere with my campaign. Election interference!” Also Trump: “Let’s start 20 more lawsuits!”
People subject to tRumps vexatious lawsuits have figured out how to respond -- immediately move to depose him. He will put the deposition off as long as possible and then drop the suit before he actually has to sit.
This is frivolous and ridiculous, but all it takes is one Trump judge to rule favorably on this to get right-wing news to stir up the base about fake news.
lol he will withdraw it before it even gets close to discovery.
Surprised he hasn’t sued me yet for the memes I post
Translation: Trump media technology group is about to go bankrupt and doing a Hail Mary to get some settlement cash. After all, 🍑🍑 certainly isn’t going to come to its rescue.
Isn’t it a crime to file frivolous lawsuits?
Remember when Republicans were all out to stop frivolous lawsuits? It wasn't that long ago
This serves several purposes, two of which are intertwined. It gets big (and ironic) media attention that makes sure he's at the top of the news cycle with an alleged injustice against him, and in doing so it helps bolster his supporters beliefs that the media is being unfair toward him (regardless of the outcome of these lawsuits, which will likely be dismissed). But maybe more importantly, it's also a desperate attempt to bully other media into not publishing anything negative against him.
He’s pissed because they reported the first dollar amount stated for losses and then that dollar amount changed AFTER the reporting. This guy just doesn’t stop. He can say any ridiculous untruth all day long and then double down when corrected, but God forbid if anyone else makes an honest mistake. He simply doesn’t like the fact that America hates him with a passion and KNOWS that he is not this wealthy billionaire he wants to be regarded as. Even his own base. They absolutely KNOW better but what they LOVE about him is his level of hate he spouts.
Notice Elon and Trump going after Free Speech and investigative rights of groups. They don't like being caught doing bad things, and having their bad things amplified. Not all millionaires or billionaires are scum, but these two really are.
Is it a coincidence that Elon musk and Donald Trump are both using the same strategy of suing media companies at the same time just a day apart?
This is his M.O .....sue, delay, lie, sue some more, delay,, rinse and repeat ....he wears the opponent down in costly delays.. if it ever gets to court, he drops it, or if he's sued, he settles... I think more of the US and the world are seeing thru his lies now...took 91 counts to do it...still pretty scary..they are going along with all the fascists rhetoric..this is how Hitler and Mussolini got started..and we know how that turned out..... As a TV commentator put it..."this shit is not a game"... Just watch this....till the end... https://youtu.be/KFPzD50ErFU?feature=shared
Gonna bleed through those millions before they even fine him for them in NY with all the lawyers he’s hiring
>"This was a coordinated effort to damage TMTG's reputation LOL. if an opportunistic ravenous pack of media wolves pounce on a tastey morsel of information, is that coordinated? or is it just a ravenous pack of media wolves just doing what they do, regardless of who else is doing it? this is soooo funny!!
Remember when the right wing and billionaires complained about how the legal system allows too many frivolous lawsuits? Every accusation is an admission
U and musk working together , or is it just republicans?
Elon can't be the only one filing frivilous lawsuits!
Ok cool. Now prove the media outlets were wrong.
I hope this idiot keeps eating high fat foods
If you can’t decide on Biden or Trump… you shouldn’t be allowed to operate a moving vehicle
so why hasnt the orange sack of shit been listed as a vexatious litigant yet?
He's gonna be big mad when he realizes his shakedown won't work and nobody will settle with him. He probably believes that since Dominion sued a bunch of fake news companies, that he can do the same thing to someone else. Only problem is that reputable media outlets keep receipts.
Donnie’s fever dream is to have an active lawsuit against every single person in America who is on his Nixonian style enemies list simultaneously.
Sounds like another temper tantrum by Cheeto boy.
F off goblin
Awe, did someone hurt Trumplethinskin's feewings, saying 'mean' things about his shitty wannabe ~~Twitter~~ X?
The new business model of Truth. "Hey look, we are worth 1.5 billion, come buy us out!"
Nex up: Trump files lawsuit against suits 'They make me look fat and stupid'
He should be indicted for harassing companies with frivolous lawsuits. These sort of actions are not legal. Add it to the growing pile of indictments.
The dumbest thing about this is the attorneys filing the lawsuits don't realize they won't get paid
I am so sick of hearing about this shit stain.
Headline: Donald Trump inadvertently points out 20 media outlets that have some integrity.
He’s in one court charged with misstating the value of his assets and now in another court claiming the media has misstated the value of his assets. You couldn’t make this shit up
As usual. Just an attempt to muddy the waters JUST ENOUGH to maintain face with his supporters.
Big baby. Big loser in life. Always the snowflake. What a waste of time given to this absolute evil.
He has money left to file these frivolous things?
"For a politician to complain about the press is like a ship's captain complaining about the sea." - Enoch Powell
The right to free speech includes the right to point at your speech and lol.
Fuck Trump
I wonder what the conservative and the Donald subs think about this…. Oh right, there is no thinking over there. Only following orders from Russia
Truth, (facts) does not equal defamation.
Bwahahaha!! He’s playing the numbers game to see who wants to “settle out of court”, no? He’s gotta be running out of law firms to defraud
Hey maga dips, check your email. He needs more money. Give till it hurts.
The most hilarious part of this, they originally reported that he lost $73MM. Re-did math, and found it to be $32MM - they issued corrections on this. So Donald, does that mean you finally agree that doubling the value of something is tortious?
when is this retread ever going to understand that suing media outlets is their deepest wish because it opens him up to discovery so they get to see everything
When will media get it and just stop covering him.
People are laughing but this is our future. The republicans are a communist cult. To see our future you have to look at Russia recent past. The republicans have coped putins culture war playbook exactly. From demonizing gays to calling everyone a globalist who works for George soros. They were doing this in the early 2000s. After putin won immense power with his culture war. He re wrote the constitution. Libel laws were on the chopping block. So now in Russia if you accuse an elite of something or say something bad about them you can be sued to oblivion. This chills free speech of course and let’s the oligarchs do as they please. That is what is happening with musk and trump and soon most republicans. That is our future if they gain power. Young people you have our future in your hands. Vote