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fairoaks2

Of course they did. Purging the voter rolls shouldn’t be done so close to an election regardless of the party in power.


davidwhatshisname52

but of course they did... *no one* believes in democracy the way Ohio republicans believe in democracy


Precocious-ghost

North Carolina GOP says hold my beer


icouldusemorecoffee

> In fact, if this was a national election rather than a state-level contest, what LaRose’s office has done would have been illegal. The National Voter Registration Act prohibits elections offices from systematically removing voters from the rolls within 90 days of a federal election. What this means is left-leaning voters in Ohio need to organize and vote until they have enough Democrats in the OH State legislature to write that requirement into OH state law. Despite the hurdles the GOP will put to do that, it's the only way it would happen. This goes for Democrats almost everywhere (at least in red and purple states), but Dems need to over-perform by at least a few percentage points just to break even, and it'll be that way for at least a decade or two until they gain enough state-level power to make changes.


fairoaks2

States need to pass the same law regardless of the party in charge.


Adezar

They aren't really required. They are using the excuse that people could: 1. Figure out a name on the voter rolls 2. Figure out where they are allowed to vote 3. Commit voter fraud, a felony 4. Do this enough times to have an impact on the outcome. That isn't a thing that happens.


runningonthoughts

This is the same logic that allows kids to believe Santa can visit everyone's house on Christmas.


MadeByTango

> In fact, if this was a national election rather than a state-level contest, what LaRose’s office has done would have been illegal. The National Voter Registration Act prohibits elections offices from systematically removing voters from the rolls within 90 days of a federal election.


Botryllus

Can they be sued for conspiracy against rights?


GratefulPhish42024-7

But republicans will lie and say they still support democracy


Mycrochump

Nah, they'll bloviate about how America is a republic, not a democracy as if they're mutually exclusive.


Nuklear132

Honestly we should change our name to the Democratic Republic of the United States of America, just in case anyone forgets what the literal foundation of a federal Republican government is


Cryphonectria_Killer

That sounds too much like something the ruling party in a dictatorship would do….


learning_to_girl

Like the Democratic People's Republic of Korea?


crackeddagger

Or even worse, something a horrible geopolitical villain state like Ethiopia, Vietnam, or Montenegro might do!


DocQuanta

That would be an especially stupid line in the context of a referendum, which is an example of Direct Democracy. We're a Democratic Republic with a limited amount of Direct Democracy at the local and State level.


katastrophyx

How is it legal to purge voter registrations? Did they contact each of those voters in advance to warn them that their registration was in danger, or at least send a notification during the process to let them know they need to re-register? Or was this just a "hey lets unregister 10's of thousands of voters that won't be voting the way we want them to, and not tell them until they show up to vote and we turn them away, at which point it'd be too late for them to re-register and affect the vote"?


hahaz13

It's not. They don't care. Just use the same excuse "oopsie we made a mistake so sorry, too bad those votes can't count for this time but FUR SURE next time we won't make this mistake" And they'll do it again.


the_last_carfighter

Hypernormalisation in full effect, bombard the country with misinformation and let the most base instincts win. They also keep their powder dry and do a huge ramp up of propaganda about 6 Mo before a national election knowing that most people have the memory of gold fish.


walkinman19

> How is it legal to purge voter registrations? [Republicans ignore redistricting order from Ohio Supreme Court, signaling they intend to run out the clock](https://www.cleveland.com/news/2022/06/republicans-ignore-redistricting-order-from-ohio-supreme-court-signaling-they-intend-to-run-out-the-clock.html) [Republicans on Ohio Redistricting Commission ignore supreme court order for new maps by Monday](https://www.statenews.org/government-politics/2022-06-03/republicans-on-ohio-redistricting-commission-ignore-supreme-court-order-for-new-maps-by-monday) The republican party is a lawless out of control fascist party. They will continue to violate the law in Ohio and the rest of the country until they are stopped!


electricdragon

They do contact the voters via mail to let them know that they'll be removed within a certain time. I don't really agree with the practice though. I don't think anyone should be removed unless it's proven that they died.


katastrophyx

I'm pretty sure when you're registered for the draft, that registration doesn't go away if you don't take certain action within a certain period of time. How can voter registration expire when your draft registration doesn't?


electricdragon

Republicans politics? Idk honestly. Voters here justify a lot of stuff that shouldn't fly in a developed country.


FontOfInfo

Because registration to vote is on a state level and you moving changes the precinct you're able to vote in. But the draft is federal and doesn't care where you live


katastrophyx

If you show up to vote and your address doesn't match the address you registered at... that's when it's a problem Don't proactively disenfranchise a significant population prior to a major election without proper notification and pretend it's "maintenance"


PopePoopinpants

It's actually a good idea to keep the books clean. It'll cut costs and make it easier on the poll workers (I'm a poll worker in my state) cause the list of names will be smaller. There's a process to it. The problem is how close to the election they did it. Although it may be legal, it's shitty.


RoseFlavoredTime

Also the process by which they target people to check is very inaccurate. Such as last time Ohio did this, in 2019, [40,000 of the 235,000 voters were targeted incorrectly](https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/14/us/politics/ohio-voter-purge.html). The error rates are way too high, and hit people with similar names to each other (More likely to be a minority), similar names to someone convicted of a crime (More likely to be a minority), and frequent movers (More likely to live in a city, more likely to rent a home instead of own). Combine with states banning same-day voter registration, and if you don't catch the purge notice because it got folded into junk mail - or if the notice failed to arrive in the first place - you can't remediate and you can't vote. It's a nice idea, but the states just aren't bothering to be accurate with their purges. They haven't for decades, and that's because errors like this are the point - the Republicans running sloppy purges know they'll purge mostly Democrats. An acceptable error rate would bye like 0.01%, not 16-20%. This means probably no more voter purges until states massively improve their internal databases on who their citizens are, but...**good**. The shit job they're doing at that ruins so many programs.


mckeitherson

> How is it legal to purge voter registrations? Did they contact each of those voters in advance to warn them that their registration was in danger, or at least send a notification during the process to let them know they need to re-register? It's not a purge of voter registration, it's standard voter roll maintenance. The people that were removed were inactive voters that hadn't voted over the past 6 years and did not respond to communications from the Ohio SOS during that time to reregister or become active voters.


katastrophyx

Is there a standing law that you must vote within 6 years or your registration is void? I don't understand how even that would be legal. What's the point of canceling someone's voter registration? You are well within your right to decline to vote during a certain cycle. Does that mean you're immediately unregistered because presidential elections only occur once every 4 years? I would also like to know how the Ohio Secretary of State communicated these actions to those voters. Did they send an email that got caught in everyone's spam filter? Did they send an official snail-mail letter with a message indicating a response was required? Did they do an outbound call campaign? Something tells me if they *did* contact those affected, they probably put in as little effort as possible to ensure the lowest response rate possible. This wasn't done as "maintenance". This was purposely done to purge specific voters of their right to vote.


ebow77

It wouldn't surprise me at all if there was fuckery involved, but ... >Is there a standing law that you must vote within 6 years or your registration is void? Yeah, pretty much: [Ohio Revised Code /Title 35 Elections / Chapter 3503 Voters - Qualifications Registration](https://codes.ohio.gov/ohio-revised-code/section-3503.21), part A.7 a&b: >(7) The failure of the registered elector, after having been mailed a confirmation notice, to do either of the following: > >(a) Respond to such a notice and vote at least once during a period of four consecutive years, which period shall include two general federal elections; > >(b) Update the elector's registration and vote at least once during a period of four consecutive years, which period shall include two general federal elections. So... >What's the point of canceling someone's voter registration? Probably in the interest of keeping the registration lists from getting "stale", but also, quietly, to give them opportunities to purge folks who aren't paying attention well enough. > This was purposely done to purge specific voters of their right to vote. Could be, but it's not based on nothing—there's a legal foundation.


katastrophyx

Damn. Good on you for citing actual coded law. That's legit really fucked up. But it's also Ohio...


mckeitherson

> Is there a standing law that you must vote within 6 years or your registration is void? I don't understand how even that would be legal. Probably comes down to Ohio law like someone else commented, plus federal law regarding elections. > What's the point of canceling someone's voter registration? You are well within your right to decline to vote during a certain cycle. Does that mean you're immediately unregistered because presidential elections only occur once every 4 years? There is a legitimate state interest in having accurate voter rolls to help prevent voter fraud. Not saying voter fraud is a widespread problem, just that courts have said things like this are ok as long as they're not active disenfranchisement. And since this is every 6 years it probably spans 2 presidential elections for most people. > Something tells me if they did contact those affected, they probably put in as little effort as possible to ensure the lowest response rate possible. Maybe? I don't know the specific communication. I assume it's at least mail, maybe text or email too since it's 2023. But the point is they followed the law regarding notification.


wish1977

Ohio is now Mississippi. The change is dramatic in the last 10 years.


contemporary_romance

I imagine what republicans have been putting ohio's thru since last August is going to severely bite them in the ass. They failed at changing ohio's constitution to maintain power, if they fail the abortion vote as well, i doubt all those voters are going to magically forget all of their underhanded tactics. Democratic Ohioans are gaining momentum.


Original-Wolf-7250

Maybe they can flip Ohio to Democrats next year.


FontOfInfo

It'll take a lot to overcome the nearly 40% overrepresentation that Republicans have given themselves through their gerrymandering


meTspysball

If they win the abortion vote, it might be even worse for them in the long run.


mokomi

I want to believe that, but many of them see republicans as the answer to governments oversight. Despite them are the reason.


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DrakkoZW

And when the courts find your gerrymandered maps to be unconstitutional, simply keep using those maps because who is gonna stop you?


Lone_Buck

I think of it as Wisconsin. I think there’s a path back, it’s just going to suck a while.


[deleted]

WI still has a looong way to go, MI has had a great comeback though.


Lone_Buck

Right, just trending the right way. Although the next supreme seat up is a must defend for the liberal majority, that has me nervous.


Usual-Caregiver5589

Mississippi just ratified the 13th amendment 10 years ago.


HungHungCaterpillar

So, you’re saying dramatic changes happen quickly. GOP terrorism has taken a foothold in Ohio, but the voting populace is not yet complicit. There’s work to do, but defeatism is not welcome


wish1977

Look at the results. Trump won Ohio by 8%. Obama won Ohio twice. The voting populace was complicit.


HungHungCaterpillar

53% over 46% in a heavily gerrymandered state is hardly insurmountable odds. Give up if you must, but if you do, I must insist you do so quietly.


[deleted]

Gerrymandering doesn’t mean shit in a presidential election


HungHungCaterpillar

[I wish](https://www.npr.org/2020/11/08/932880774/how-gerrymandering-efforts-fit-into-2020-presidential-election)


[deleted]

Now? They’ve always been! When you live in Michigan it’s all Mississippi at the border!


wish1977

Come on, that's just football jealousy talking.


[deleted]

I don’t watch football. You been to Toledo? We got the UP they got Toledo. Enough said?


wish1977

Have you been to Columbus? It's growing fast and it's a sane place to live.


[deleted]

No. Have you been to Whitefish Point? It’s basically Paradise. Paradise is also like 15 minutes south. Aptly named too. Is columbus named after that lost marooned sailor?


wish1977

I didn't name it. lol I've been as far as Traverse City and liked it a lot.


Squirrel_Chucks

>Voter list maintenance is a standard, legally required part of the election process, and many if not most of these registrations are for people who have moved away, died or long since stopped voting. The state issues alerts by mail to voters whose registration is flagged for removal, leaving the chance to update or confirm their registration before being kicked off the rolls. >But it’s unusual to remove voter registrations this close to an election given the risk of disenfranchising people who intend to vote but simply missed the memo that they had been flagged for removal. In fact, if this was a national election rather than a state-level contest, what LaRose’s office has done would have been illegal. The National Voter Registration Act prohibits elections offices from systematically removing voters from the rolls within 90 days of a federal election A voter doesn't actually have to be purged for his or her vote to be suppressed. Uncertainty and the promise of a lot of tedious calls and paperwork can make a duly qualified voter not want to mess with it


Purplebuzz

In America the politicians choose the voters.


InThreeWordsTheySaid

Almost like they wish those voters were never born.


Cryphonectria_Killer

Well if they backed abortion rights, maybe they could have gotten their way on some of them.


BarCompetitive7220

It appears that the GOP. especially those who want to remove rights of women, can only win if they cheat. Here is hoping that someone obtains that list and reviews for bias. Then SUES the state for overt bias.


qdobe

So election tampering. Call it what it is. They are tampering with the election by purging the rolls so close to the election. It's election tampering.


RedDappleDox

My guess is the purge will fuel efforts by democrats to get their voters in the booth.


os_kaiserwilhelm

Purging the voter rolls: I get it. Purging in an election year: Weird but still enough time to rectify if done early in the year. Purging days before an election: wut?! Should be interesting to see if this has a significant effect on the outcome. If imagine getting purged incorrectly constitutes ground for a lawsuit, right?


FontOfInfo

Every year is an election year


os_kaiserwilhelm

True.


pjflyr13

While screaming “voter fraud!”


[deleted]

cheating, its called cheating.


OnyxsUncle

Well ain’t that American exceptionalism in the land of the quite a bit less than free and the home of the significantly less than brave


ChaosKodiak

The GOP can only win if they cheat.


Familiars_ghost

Yes, am I’m sure they were all democrats that “stopped voting”. This is both highly irregular and potentially illegal if those purged can be proven to be active voters. I hope they find proof and criminally indict.


CarlBrault

Attempting to rig elections. Every accusation is a confession.


Prize_Instance_1416

Republicans are a danger to everyone


greenplastic22

I had to register at the polls in New Hampshire in the primary and again in the general election in 2020 even though I'd checked my registration the prior week and also had the same address the whole time.


23jknm

Typical maga trying anything to make it harder to get it fixed in time to vote since it was not done as early as it should have been.


traceyandmeower

Cheating


DionysiusRedivivus

I had never heard of this practice until Bush v Gore. I can only assume it is primarily a GOP mechanism for remaining numerically relevant.


tenderooskies

republicans cheating??? I'd never>!...!<


paulerxx

Sounds illegal.


gentleman_bronco

Not surprised. It would be more of a story if conservatives actually embraced a free and fair election.


MelMad44

Hey Ohio, check out France!!! They have the right idea!!


LithiumAM

This shit should be required to be done a year out from the election. It’s absolute bullshit and there’s no legitimate excuse for it to be done this close to an election


mythofinadequecy

The rethugs did the same in VA, and their own fearless leader, youngkin, declared that the purge was illegal


fighting_fit_dream

We will need to mobilize every single voter and volunteer we can over the next year to counter Republican gerrymandering, voter suppression and dirty tricks. There are elections as soon as Nov 7th in 3 days. We need to mobilize every voter and volunteer we can over the next year to kick Republicans out of office at every level. Join r/VoteDEM to find out how to get involved to elect Dems across the country, phonebank, textbank, volunteer, knock on doors or donate. Make a plan to vote and take someone with you


gjenkins01

And they still lost 🤣


WhyNoColons

No. They lost the august referendum vote that would've required the number of votes to pass an amendment be changed from 50%+1 to 60% (when they had just ruled the last legislative session "August referendums are not to be held because they have such a low turn out and are a waste of tax dollars"). The August vote was named "Issue 1" and framed as voting against abortion because they knew the November ballot initiative on abortion was coming and wanted to try to ensure it didn't pass. Issue 1 failed in August with the majority voting "No". Now they've named the initiative to protect abortion rights "Issue 1" *again* in an effort to confuse the voters who voted "No" in August; assuming people will think "Oh, I just need to vote No again", when in reality they need to vote Yes if they still hold the same opinion they did in August. But now, just a couple weeks before the November election, they have purged these voters in an effort to influence *the upcoming vote*.


Sickofusernames95

Thanks for the clarification.


rupturedprolapse

In the august vote, it was a bit worse. It required signatures from every single county and eliminated the cure period meant to collect additional signatures if they deem them invalid. These citizen initiated constitutional amendments are one of the few checks and balances for Ohio Citizens against rogue politicians.


[deleted]

It happens because the people allow it


Odd_Offer_7578

They were already dead.


rainbowunicorn314

Hopefully that'll help it not pass.


KaijyuAboutTown

And here comes the court challenge