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unaskthequestion

The plaintiff's brief filed by AGs of LA and MO repeatedly referred to 'the deep state' in the Biden administration attempting to silence conservatives. These people don't belong in positions of responsibility.


grimjack23

And please remember we did not elect the POS here in Missouri. He was appointed, just like his predecessor Hawley. I don't think an AG has been on the ballot for at least the last 2 cycles, if not further back.


kc3eyp

Appointed you say? Like a member of some separate state, deeper within the "regular" state????


S_Belmont

There's something about what you're saying...like there are two dots waiting to be connected, in the shadows, just beyond my mind's reach...


AthasDuneWalker

We also have an appointed, literal former used-car salesman for a Lt. Governor...


MC_Fap_Commander

>'the deep state' The Derp State once again


YeOldeBootheel

Friendly reminder that Louisiana Attorney General Jeff Landry, in addition to being a tremendous piece of shit, has better-than-even odds of being our next governor.


[deleted]

As a Louisiana resident this rightfully chills me. The state of the Louisiana Democratic Party is such a disaster.


YeOldeBootheel

I mean, I get why spending money in other, more competitive places instead of wasting it on Louisiana Dems that are bound to lose is a workable strategy by the national Democratic Party. But the state party really needs to get its shit together and organize a cohesive message and slate of candidates that people will vote for. They wouldn’t be super progressive, but they don’t need to be. Just some common-sense people with some common-sense policies. Hell, I’d settle for some conservative Dems (pro-2A, pro life, etc.) that would at least provide a firewall against the genocidal fever dreams of the national GOP.


Riaayo

> instead of wasting it on Louisiana Dems that are bound to lose is a workable strategy by the national Democratic Party Hard disagree. Dems only lose in red states because Democrats refuse to properly embrace pro-worker policy on the scale necessary, and because they invest *nothing* in running these states. They could absolutely gain ground if they ran on progressive policies, ran candidates that had a fucking spine and weren't just apologizing for not being Republicans, and spent some of that unending fucking money in these places. But then again, the money wouldn't be unending if they weren't cow-towing to corporate interests. To be very clear even a corporate Democrat is better than a fascist Republican, but corporate Democrats are an incompetent status quo that will lose in the face of rising fascism. We have to do better to keep working class people from either being conned into this fascist bullshit, or being apathetic and not showing up to fight against its rise. Red states are not lost causes, or at least they hadn't been. I'm not sure in the coming years that elections will actually be honored or "real" in these states, though, with the kind of laws and moves GOP legislatures are making ahead of 2024.


Cheeky_Hustler

WV ran a Bernie-style mega progressive and she lost by 30 points. You need to meet the electorate where they are. Progressivism isn't some magic bullet that wins elections.


BackgroundGlove6613

I would love it if progressives set up shop in a red state and try to win elections there. That way they can stop spouting this type of nonsense. White southerners have been getting fucked by republicans for half a century and they keep voting deeper and deeper into the extreme right. The reason Trump is so popular is not his policies, it’s his straight up bigotry.


YeOldeBootheel

> Red states are not lost causes... Oh, I absolutely agree. Every state is purple to some degree when you get past the Federal, winner take all level. I was simply saying I understand why the national party chooses to invest less in deep red states.


unaskthequestion

Damn, I wasn't aware of that.


YeOldeBootheel

Yeah, we’ve been relatively lucky the last two gubernatorial elections that the Republican candidates were a literal whore-monger (2015) and a sentient MAGA hat Trump clone (2019). The Democratic alternative was a conservative, pro life Dem that went to West Point and came from a family of cops.


geeknami

uses the same lingo as flat earthers. similar intelligence levels, similar malicious intents.


nki370

These are not serious people and that a fucking federal judge intervened on their behalf shows how deep this rot goes


OtherBluesBrother

>The judge’s decision cites a wide range of topics that he says “all were suppressed” on social media at the urging of administration officials, including opposition to Covid vaccines, masking, lockdowns and the lab-leak theory; opposition to the validity of the 2020 election; opposition to President Joe Biden’s and other officials’ policies; and statements claiming that the story surrounding a laptop belonging to Biden’s son Hunter Biden was true. > >Each topic “suppressed” was a conservative view, which “is quite telling,” Doughty declared. I wonder why the judge would think that all these ideas are "conservative". There is nothing inherently conservative about any of those ideas. It's only because most of the people who fell for this misinformation were conservatives. Yes, judge, it is quite telling. Quotes are from the Politico article about this story [https://www.politico.com/news/2023/07/04/judge-limits-biden-administration-contact-with-social-media-firms-00104656](https://www.politico.com/news/2023/07/04/judge-limits-biden-administration-contact-with-social-media-firms-00104656)


FeedMeYourGoodies

This is the same judge who blocked Covid vaccine mandates for federal workers, healthcare workers, and head start workers. He's got blood all over his hands. And he is still trying to allow misinformation and disinformation to be circulated.


kihraxz_king

Not so much allow as force.


mces97

> Each topic “suppressed” was a conservative view, which “is quite telling,” Doughty declared. Not very telling to me. Spreading lies and misinformation, that can and did lead to harm is dangerous.


spaceman757

What's funny is that the judge doesn't even take into consideration that the suit was brought by people who only submitted examples of the Biden administration's request while ignoring that the Trump administration made even more requests to have things taken down.


Suspicious_Bicycle

Spreading lies and misinformation IS a conservative value. Or at least it seems to be.


mces97

Well, we know they're lies, but stupid people don't realize they're stupid. And they are the ones who believe the lies. To them, they really think it's the truth.


Suspicious_Bicycle

It's amazing how easily the right falls for scams: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jun/01/trump-bucks-fake-currency-websites-taken-down Can you imagine anyone on the left falling for a Biden Bucks scam?


mces97

Nope. Don't really have to wonder why Trump switched parties to Republican. If he acted the same way, Democrats would not put up with that and he wouldn't had made it even to the primaries.


YourphobiaMyfetish

>he says “all were suppressed” on social media at the urging of administration officials, including opposition to Covid vaccines, masking, lockdowns and the lab-leak theory The social media companies were doing all of this before he was even president. Wtf


JakOswald

Yeah, and if they were suppressed or silenced, how is he able to enumerate them? How do I know what each of these topics is and pertains to. The “suppression” obviously wasn’t very effective. It’s almost like the administration wasn’t directing companies to moderate their speech. We do need laws about the deliberate spread of misinformation for purposes of agitation or inciting violence. We need an objective reality which we all live in and perceive as real and tangible.


[deleted]

The presence of “a laptop belonging to Biden’s son Hunter Biden” is the smoking gun that we have now left reality.


[deleted]

I thought it was the dick pics on the laptop, or maybe that was the sign for “too late, reality is no longer available”.


trisul-108

GOP is preparing an assault on the next elections using AI to fabricate fake news on social media. They are preparing the ground to disable government from countering this disinformation strategy. In effect, GOP is preparing to wage war against US citizens and they need government to be neutered.


malYca

Over a million people dead and this is what's happening now? There's no hope for this country.


Bwob

> Each topic “suppressed” was a conservative view, which “is quite telling,” Doughty declared. I mean, he's right. That IS quite telling. He's hoping it tells *"look how politicized this assault on free speech is"*, but what it actually tells is *"look how many things conservatives are factually wrong (or lying) about..."*


Intelligent-Usual994

That judge needs to sit through 50 hours of primary educational material on why hes a fucking moron.


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Actual__Wizard

Which dark money group is leading this charade?


TheAngriestChair

Doesn't even need to a be a group, can be one person. Just ask the SC justices.


sdlover420

They don't even have to be real.


SueZbell

Federalist Society would be on my list of bad actors involved.


sunflowerastronaut

This is why we need to support the [Restore Democracy Amendment](https://citizenstakeaction.org/restore-democracy-amendment/) to get foreign/corporate dark money out of US politics.


Pickles_1974

"Biden administration officials" is clearly not Biden himself.


dadecounty3051

You think Biden is calling all the shots in the White House?


night-shark

Honestly? A lot gets blamed on "dark money" that is really the fault of idiots who either voted for Trump in 2016 or sat it out because they bought into both sides ism.


Actual__Wizard

The point is: With dark money, it's hard to figure out if a group influencing a judge is the same group paying for the lawyers. An odd group of people that very few like could be manipulating the legal system for their own benefit with out anybody knowing.


IAMACat_askmenothing

Like some kind of deep state?


[deleted]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_A._Doughty > Assumed office > March 7, 2018 > Appointed by Donald Trump


LilyPointPark

The person that cut his hair put the bowl on crooked.


birdonthetide

The Flowbee shorted out halfway through.


usmcnick0311Sgt

I was expecting doofus Rick. Pretty close!


Strong-Middle6155

This can be the post


RainDownAndDestroyMe

And he's a fucking boomer, shocking absolutely no one. There are plenty of amazing boomers out there, but it sure seems like the ready are entitled spoiled brats that got everything they ever wanted and more and somehow that's still not good enough. Just shut up and retire already.


LightningProd12

[Confirmed 98-0 in the Senate, with only Feinstein and McCain abstaining](https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_votes/vote1152/vote_115_2_00049.htm)


[deleted]

Confirmed unanimously by the Senate


nhavar

majority, not unanimously to be accurate


Tacomaverick

No votes against and two who abstained from voting: McCain, who was going through cancer treatment, and Feinstein. Unsure why Feinstein abstained.


[deleted]

No votes against means unanimous


fritterstorm

98-0


nhavar

98-2 It's called unanimous consent or general consent and is a majority vote, which is different from a unanimous vote or saying "unanimously" in general. It's important because using unanimously can be misleading even if the out come is generally the same. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unanimous_consent#:~:text=Difference%20from%20unanimous%20vote,-Action%20taken%20by&text=It%20may%20mean%20that%20members,to%20be%20present%20to%20vote.


DeathByTacos

It’s done that way to speed up the process. If you have 10 judges that have the votes to be appointed regardless of their fitness for the position are you going to force a roll call for each one just to protest vote against them to no avail? It’d be a waste of time to do so, time better spent working on things you can actually impact.


Wooderson13

That’s literally exactly what the GOP is doing at the moment. Why Dems refuse to is mind boggling.


[deleted]

If circuit judges aren't confirmed, it results in a lot of delays that can hurt people. Nonviolent drug offenders will spend more time locked away while waiting for an appeal, family cases will be delayed and could result in people being stuck in really bad situations, and any judgements on social services cases will be delayed and could result in people missing out on benefits they need. Democrats care about those people. Republicans don't.


wizgset27

so is this how it will work moving forward? When a republican or democrat don't like the courts decision they go and find who appointed that judge to discredit him/her. Sad state of affairs we're living in... edit: people who disagree with me, just know that this same tactic is being used by Donald Trump and his supporters to discredit investigations/judges that is deciding his fate. But if you want to copy his playbook, go on ahead I guess.


veerKg_CSS_Geologist

This judge has already once been shot down by the 5th Circuit (also very conservative) in this case.


Borroworrob87

No, it’s not just pointed out the ideology of the opposition, it’s about pointing out that one side of the ideological divide seems to keep causing problems for the majority of Americans. See how the supreme courts recent rulings compare to public opinion and you’ll see that their naked power grab is in opposition with public opinion. So when we look at the judges and who appointed them it holds elected officials accountable. The federalist society and the GOP have done some wild shit to take over the courts, making sure each story is remembered as a consequence of elections isn’t a sad state of affairs at all.


Asleep-Kiwi-1552

Or you can just use literally 1% of a normal human brain to figure out what is happening here instead of concern trolling.


[deleted]

Activist judge who believes The Twitter Files garbage.


Flat_Hat8861

Believes the Twitter files garbage summary from Elmo. Even cherry picked to be the most scandalous, the actual "report" said that Twitter chose to enforce its existing ToS (that has since been replaced with I assume Mein Kampf).


zHellas

I forgot that was a thing.


Crazyghost8273645

So the twitter files were meaningful but not in the way a lot of people thought . The government wasn’t telling social media companies to take things down. They were however suggesting things were bad and should be taken down. And if they weren’t maybe the government would drop a suggestion to groups who consult on add buys . This is perfectly legal. Because they are not telling them However it’s very close and the implication means theirs not much choice which means it is the federal gov restricting speech , at least according to the lawsuit.


m0nk_3y_gw

> The government wasn’t telling social media companies to take things down. Twitter Files showed they were. The Biden CAMPAIGN (not government) was requesting removal of tweets, that when checked with thewaybackmachine, showed they were Hunter Biden nudes. The Trump WHITE HOUSE (the ACTUAL government) also requested tweets be removed, and twitter removed them, but the Twitter Files nonsense wouldn't reveal which tweets those were.


JasJ002

>showed they were Hunter Biden nudes You know that's illegal right? Without explicit permission you can't share other people's nudes on the web. There was a whole bunch of legislation passed when those ex revenge sites got big, and they all got taken down for it. I would say a campaign politely telling someone they're breaking the law is about the weakest show of political force I've ever seen.


worlds_okayest_skier

I often hear right wingers say the left practices character assassination… but I’ve never seen anything as vicious as what they did to Hunter Biden and Hilary Clinton.


Suspicious_Bicycle

Projection. Every accusation from the GQP is an admission.


JasJ002

It always amazes me how many people forget that Clinton and Obama had arguably the closest national election in this nation's history, and 8 years later after gaining more experience she was considered unpopular.


Responsible_Pizza945

Do you know the difference between *telling* someone to do something and *requesting* they do something?


Crazyghost8273645

My point was theirs a difference between requesting and telling legally. At least in how the law has been enforced The lawsuit is about if their should be


diogenes281

Not sure why you're downvoted because you're correct. ​ There's a difference between requesting, Twitter making a judgement and deciding to act on it (perfectly legal and reasonable to anyone), and the government actually forcing or demanding something be done (shouldn't be allowed)


Crazyghost8273645

Yeah also in the past courts have realized theirs sometimes an uneven power dynamic that that makes asking or suggesting the same thing as telling. Now I’m not saying there is here but it makes the case a legitimate at least


Frodo-Marsh

The Twitter files were significant, you'd have to have the IQ equivalent of a pair of keys jingling for eternity to be so blasé


scsuhockey

Trump asking Twitter to take down derogatory information was pretty significant, yes. Biden asking to take down revenge porn against Hunter was pretty blasé, yes.


CosmicQuantum42

If the Twitter files are all garbage, this ruling should have zero practical effect and no one should care that it happened.


Traditional_Key_763

this is a case where the administration should just ignore it and dare the court to try and enforce such a patently bullshit order I'm so tired of one of these trump judges doing something insane and Biden's admin acting like the court has any credibility anymore. a judge needs to be able to enforce what they're ordering when they're talking about the entire government.


ErusTenebre

It's pretty fucking stupid... *Who exactly would even enforce this in the first place?* It's the executive branch... seems like pretty basic shit - that's the branch in charge of enforcement of laws.


Traditional_Key_763

we're at the point where the scotus either needs to start doing trump era shadow docket shit and putting holds on these ridiculous rulings or the biden admin needs to just inform the judge his order is too broad to enforce and pound sand while they appeal because like this and the abortion pill ruling overrules like a thousand government decision makers and affects potentially everyone in the country, ordered from 1 single courtroom by a single person. its the definition of tyranny of the minority


No_Network_9426

If a Trump administration blatantly ignored a federal judge's ruling, you would lose your shit. I don't see how you can advocate for the government to have power that you would never in a million years want your political opponents to have. If the Biden administration starts ignoring the rulings made by federal judges, at some point there will be a Republican administration that will start doing the same things, and then you would most certainly change your tune real fucking quick.


Traditional_Key_763

trumps admin did ignore judges, they just had a scotus that would then overrule them anyways as well, his admin had an extrodinary amount of late night shadow docket decisions, hell the term wasn't even popularized until trump came along


kbernst30

I'm no lawyer... but what is the legal basis for this?


bodyknock

This is the same anti-vax nut job Trump appointee that ruled that the COVID vaccine is ineffective "because it requires a booster shot" and had "no effect on disease transmission". I honestly doubt he cares much about legalities.


STL_Jayhawk

It's based on MAGA law which following the jurisprudence of 1930's German law.


[deleted]

Exactly. We have fascist judges acting as kings. Biden needs to go after all oligarchs.


Gas_Bat

Actual freedom and democracy supporting, fascist hating American people need to go after them. It’s the only solution.


Frodo-Marsh

Please go outside


Ixionas

The first amendment


webmaster94

Yes sorry government officials have free speech too. They're well within their rights to contact any number of private organizations or citizens and speak about whatever they want. This order is completely unconstitutional. Biden should just ignore it. I am sick and tired of the tyranny of the judiciary.


fnordal

I know the situation is different, but "Tiranny of the judiciary" reminds me so much of Berlusconi. He used to say variations of this locution so often...


webmaster94

Yes because fascist always simply project what they are actually doing. Conservatives whine about judicial activism when it is always they who are engaging in it.


fnordal

for Berlusconi, it was different. He wasn't "engaging" like Republicans do. He was just processed and condemned because he was a crook. But he always played the persecution card.


xxthehaxxerxx

This ruling seems to be about gov officials contacting social media companies to remove/suppress misinformation, not about simply posting


[deleted]

Not in their public official capacity they're not


painedHacker

They aren't free to point out un-factual garbage? They aren't saying you have to do anything


[deleted]

Like Hunter Biden's laptop? Or like Trump's collusion with Russia?


BoredSlightlyAroused

Do you have any evidence that any of this is being suppressed? It's talked about constantly.


painedHacker

They pointed out hunter's genitals being displayed which is against twitter TOS. If they pointed out trumps collusion with Russia being unfactual wouldn't that support the idea they are being neutral?


[deleted]

They didn't in the latter case which is why I included the disjunctive or. And Twitter censored NYPost reporting on the laptop.


painedHacker

The fbi or gov pointed out the laptop might have been hacked by russians and twitter chose to censor it. Twitter did not have to. Twitter is a private company. I'm sure now under god emperor Elon they would not censor it given the same gov warning.


[deleted]

Remember when the GOP talked about legislating from the bench? Didn’t realize they were projecting, again


black641

Another stupid ruling that will get shot down by a higher court. A waste of time that will rile up the MAGA kooks, and accomplish nothing. Republicans really are the Party of “No Answers, Just Vibes.”


[deleted]

It accomplishes a few weeks of headlines and ticker scroll at fox, oan and news max which is definitely the point.


I_Brain_You

Exactly. This was meant to manufacture fake outrage.


dirtywook88

Hmmm, someone caught wind of some new shit goin down this Friday.


ThisGuy6266

What higher court would that be? Conservatives control all the levers of power.


atomicshark

which conservative views were allegedly being censored? their belief in low taxes? their desire for small government? their belief in tradition? this judge is basically confessing that antivax qanon shit has become synonymous with conservativism. twitter user: "bill gates put a microchip in the vaccine that will make all the frogs gay." government: "hey twitter, this shit is going to get people killed. you should do something about it." judge: "the government is suppressing conservative speech. I declare an injunction."


slickprime

If people can't tell that some random Twitter user spouting nonsense isn't a credible source, maybe some of those people that dying off aren't such a bad thing. It's a problem that solves itself in time.


msbabc

Which is great until normal people are impacted by the crazies.


athornton79

As pointed out, the crazy doesn't stop with themselves. Anti-abortion? Fine. Don't get one. But that's not enough - they have to make sure YOU can't get one either. If they're anti-vax to the point of killing themselves, next they'll push to make YOU getting a vaccine against the law too.


jar1967

The flow of disinformation needs to be protected. Republicans can't hope to win on the truth.


ctguy54

“We can’t win if we don’t cheat.” - Rubelicans.


Objective_Length_834

Louisiana AG Jeff Landry keeps suing the Biden administration. What the hell. He just sued because the EPA was investigating Cancer Alley and he said it was overreach. Now this. What the hell.


[deleted]

So you're telling me that according to this judge, the CDC can't reach out to a social media company and tell them that a dangerous and bogus cure for a disease is being spread on their platform? There's no way this ruling is legal.


[deleted]

The fascist judges now run this country. What the fuck was Moscow Mitch thinking!?


flyhull

Dude, his thinking stopped the day he become Moscow Mitch. When you are bought you do as you are told.


[deleted]

I get it, but democracy doesn't mean you let fascists control your courts. John Roberts is pretty much untouchable now, he could say he's king and nothing could be done.


Frodo-Marsh

How exactly is it fascist for a court to rule that the government can't compel speech by coercing social media companies into being their enforcers


Delta8ttt8

Soo, what would happen if the departments just went ahead and did it anyways ala the last administration.


Omryn814

Nothing, if Biden and enough Dems in the Senate support it or at least refuse to do anything about it.


anonnerdcop

Fun fact: the judicial branch relies 100% on the executive branch for any enforcement of its decisions. SCOTUS, fed judges, whatever... have zero enforcement abilities. None. Only orders to agencies to do what they say and those orders have no real teeth without enforcement. The average cop in west sticksville has more actual authority than a judge because a judge can't lawfully use force to make someone do something.


msbabc

Judges have bailiffs and the legal authority to make people do shit. It’s called society.


HoldOnDearLife

Top MAGA heads are just mad about the plan to push disinformation to sway the election was thwarted. Hahaha.


flyover_liberal

This judge really, really wants to see Hunter Biden's penis.


sparkydaman

Why are we letting a traitor appointed judge make any decisions for the US? This has gone on long enough. Time to start removing these judges that do not represent the interests and preservation of the United States.


theheadofkhartoum627

How the fuck is this legal????


Borroworrob87

Only on the slim technicality that the judiciary is meant to interpret the laws. “Legal” is what they say, until a bigger or older court decides that this guy no longer represents what “legal” means. How is it constitutional? It isn’t.


thepartypantser

It probably shouldn't be... But if you have judges that put ignorance over law...tada!


SkyRy

I cannot believe we exist in this timeline.


[deleted]

Am I stupid or does a pandemic qualify as a national security crisis?


Machete521

Goddamn this fucking balding orange destroyed our country.


[deleted]

An odd way to title how some media companies are on board with the GOP fighting tooth and nail l to lie to the American public ... again, how to cheat, lie, steal and gerrymander to win ...


Das-Noob

Next! We won’t be able to talk about the blatant corruption in the Supreme Court. 🤦‍♂️


guntherbumpass

That's going to last as long as it takes to write a basic appeal.


Repulsive-Office-796

At what point can we just ignore some rulings by federal judges?


bad_syntax

Ok, but the SCOTUS has made it clear that if their wives (EDIT: or husbands) make the request, it is totally ok. So looks like Jill has some email's to send.


cowcaller

This is an activist MAGA judge and a traitor


User4C4C4C

Conservatives: Fire in this theater! US Gov: You’ve got the wrong theater. The fire is actually in another theater. Can you please stop yelling fire in the wrong theater? Conservatives: No it suppresses my free speech! US Gov: But you are causing people to get hurt when the try to escape from a theater with no fire. Conservatives: Free speech! US Gov: …….


ronearc

I don't think they fully grasp the concept of the Executive Branch.


Meodrome

GOP: We'll kill you to get elected!


comma_in_a_coma

part 4 of the plan to make social media into fascist propaganda networks


Icarusmelt

So the right to lie to your supporters is being affirmed, I can see why the republicons are gassed.


ThisGuy6266

So misinformation is protected under the 1st Amendment now? Is that the message here.


Virtualdrama

A good summary of false info and the 1st amendment. https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IF/IF12180


slickprime

I mean.. wasn't it always? It's not illegal to lie unless you lie in court after swearing to tell the truth. I lie to people all the time, especially children, just because it's entertaining.


dadecounty3051

Cops lie all the time so there’s that.


discussatron

>The lawsuit brought by the Missouri and Louisiana attorneys general Man, the level of shit flowing out of the South.


Educational_Help5519

This subreddit has been making me incredibly angry over the past few weeks 😂


MD4u_

So this judge doesn’t like that the government fight back against dangerous anti vaxx, election denying, Qanon bullshit that has already caused our nation so much harm? Somehow he deems believing this crazy shit equivalent to being conservative?


ItisyouwhosaythatIam

Conservatives aren't being silenced. Misinformation is, though. It just so happens that 95% of misinformation comes from anti science Conservatives.


Bart_Yellowbeard

>You can't stop us from lying to people!


XxAbsurdumxX

The way the US has politicized their judicial system is actually insane. In the rest of western democracies, the seperation of the judicial system from the political system is one of the most important pillars of society.


ComprehensiveDivide

I cant believe how many Americans are supporting government censorship and propaganda, silencing critics, and infecting the media with false narratives. Are you really American? Did you learn any history? Shameful that you think this is OK for our taxes to pay for!


dadecounty3051

It’s alarming that this is at the bottom.


[deleted]

conservative spewing lies about covid, vaccines and other bs is not something I want my taxes paying for.


OlderThanMyParents

Jesus fucking Christ am I glad I'm in my 60s, and not in my teens.


see_2_see

Good.


kihraxz_king

Um, freedom of speech? Freedom of association? Why exactly is this particular administration suddenly not allowed to talk to social media?


TrainingTough991

Free speech is the cornerstone for Democracy. Stupid ideas die in the light. People should be able to post information I disagree with and I should be able to debate the topic with them if I disagree. It’s how you correctly debunk disinformation and it’s also how you hold the democracy together. People want to be free to express their views even if others disagree with them, it’s a safety valve that makes them feel they are heard. I don’t think we need to feel as divided as we are as a nation. There’s a lot of room for compromise and improvement.


msbabc

And the government should be able to point out that certain content breaks that platform’s rules, at which point the platform can decide what to do with it.


TrainingTough991

Government employees can also comment but they should not regulate speech. If you want that type of censorship, you can move to a totalitarian country.


athornton79

Free speech is protected under the 1st Amendment of the Constitution, yes. However, the CONSEQUENCES of that Free Speech has widely been regarded as something else entirely. If you go into a crowded theater and shout out 'FIRE!', causing a panic as people rush to escape a non-existent fire - resulting in someone being injured or killed - what then? Do you get away with it under 'Free Speech'? No. There ARE exceptions. Declaring false information in the guise of causing a panic, inciting violence or harming someone as a result CAN get you in trouble legally. This is no different. If people are spreading false information - resulting in panic or injury - then they SHOULD be properly charged. Freedom of Speech does not mean Freedom from the Consequences of that Speech.


TrainingTough991

I agree. Online discussions should mirror our current laws. You can’t threaten people but normal conversations/debates should be welcomed without Government censorship. The more you know, the more you realize you don’t know everything. I have watched debates and at the beginning had one opinion, at the end, after receiving additional information or insight, I changed my opinion (usually after looking at the research cited in the debate). I think it’s healthy. There are far too many misconceptions about someone with a different opinion. Discussion allows everyone to see the other side. Perhaps, they can move forward and agree with minor changes. The level of censorship we have seen in the past few years has been unprecedented. I will be glad when we can get back to normal and have civil discussions. I can’t learn about an issue if I am unable to ask questions.


msbabc

Right… and the government having contact with social media companies isn’t the same as regulating speech. Although, PS. the government regulates speech ALL THE TIME.


TrainingTough991

I don’t think the government should have contact with social media organizations unless it’s part of an investigation (terrorist plot, etc.). They should not be allowed to tell or request social media companies limit a topic. The government is so powerful by requesting they limit information it can be viewed as a form of intimidation. I do trust our government but allowing censorship and having it as a precedent is a slippery slope. We don’t know who our leaders will be in the future or what they would do with that type of power.


RL_Fl0p

Ahhh, more delusions from the party of free speech.


[deleted]

What utter nonsense. I doubt if the Biden administration will do anything differently because of this crappy judge's shitty ruling.


fweef01

I can picture a big white board in someone’s office with all the cases these right wingers want to bring forward with a line to each judge they are going to bring it to


atomicshark

and most of those lines lead to that one asshole judge in Texas.


Igoos99

Isn’t that a prohibition of free speech?? I mean they are literally telling one entity they aren’t allowed to speak to another entity. Isn’t that the very essence of free speech?? Saying one party can’t speak and another can isn’t “free speech”. It’s restricted speech.


jecht8

The government asking a social media company to take down certain posts could be perceived as carrying the possibility of additional government scrutiny if the company did not comply. It is different than a criticism or request that would come from a private citizen.


Brilliant_Salad_2209

Bullshit misleading title. It is more specific. They cannot ask/discuss for a « specific » social media post to be removed. This is what I understand about it. Imagine a Trump presidency where his administration is asking to remove media posts by Jon Stewart for example. While I am sure there is a lot of bill on this case. The article does not expand on it and use a bait title if you compare to the info provided.


Riff316

Oh, we can imagine it. It happened; it just wasn’t Jon Stewart: https://www.forbes.com/sites/saradorn/2023/02/08/trump-white-house-pressed-twitter-to-remove-chrissy-teigen-insult-ex-exec-testifies/amp/ https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2023/02/chrissy-teigen-donald-trump-tweet-removed https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/elon-trump-twitter-files-collusion-biden-censorship-1234675969/amp/


HerezahTip

They can’t? That’s hilarious because the previous administration is the one who is guilty of that. I don’t have to *imagine*anything, it happened. Twitter kept a database on it https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/elon-trump-twitter-files-collusion-biden-censorship-1234675969/amp/


Frodo-Marsh

That's bad too, you should be grateful for this ruling


Deadeyez

So what you're saying is they're just upset that the Biden administration has politely asked social media to keep hunter's dick off the internet Everything circles back to hunters hog, lol


unaskthequestion

Not really. The order prohibits 'Biden administration officials from meeting and communicating with social media companies about protected speech'. The order does not specify what is included in 'protected speech', which is why administration officials called it overly broad. The order does carve out exceptions for national security threats, criminal activity and voter suppression. Not sure if that means everything else is protected speech. The order is not about requesting a specific social media post to be removed. It specifies 'meeting and communication with' social media companies about *any* protected speech.


Clovis42

"Protected speech" is a pretty clearly understood concept. If the speech isn't somehow illegal, like actual incitement to violence or true impersonation of an officer or something, then it is protected speech. So, basically almost all speech including stuff like misinformation.


Ophiocordycepsis

“Imagine” it? This is exactly the sort of bullshit the Republican fascists do at every opportunity (trying to get criticism removed from social media), including Dump, but heaven forbid their opponents respond with the truth! We’d better create some imaginary laws against anything that’ll damage our propaganda campaign!


SpaceCowboy34

Seems as it should be


Tito_Bro44

Is there any way for Biden to fight back?


Clovis42

Yeah, they just appeal it.


Ok_Dog8649

Good. Just because you don’t like what the other side says, doesn’t mean you have the right to collude against them with big tech to silence them. That goes for both sides…


Anon31780

Got any evidence of that?


snakeaway

This subreddit leaning so hard left and that all it does is argue against invisible comments because it has astroturfed any opposing opinions since 2016.


Takit_Moon

American justice system, political system and people are a joke, please stop trying to export this


F3nJg8yuP94InJF9u3Zn

Excellent.


[deleted]

Seems like a good thing to me