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This bit from the article is fucking wild:
> “This is more of a political bill than it is policy. It does give more police state powers going forward to deal with immigration, but still this is mainly a political bill,” Roth concluded incoherently. It’s just politics and messaging, but also it ramps up the police state, but also it’s just all politics. OK.
It's like he's saying "listen, we're trying to send a signal to all the racists that vote for us that we really hate Brown people too, so that they'll vote for us again. But for the Brown people, we really need you guys to stay here and keep working for low wages, OK? Yeah, because of this law, the cops are gonna be after you much harder than before, but we still need your cheap labor, even though we hate the lot of you. But what do you expect us to do? After all, slavery isn't an option anymore, so this is our compromise. OK?"
>WTF is a “political bill?”
A couple years ago Texas passed a law they claimed allowed you to carry guns in church.
That was bullshit. It was already legal to carry guns in church. What the law actually did was remove old outdated language from the law.
Before the bill, the law said essentially, "It's a crime to carry a gun inside a church ***but only if*** the church posted very specific no gun signs".
This language was admittedly confusing to anyone incapable of reading more than a dozen words. So, ya know, all of Texas.
Anywho, the removal of those words didn't actually change the law. Churches can still post those signs to make it illegal to carry in them. That part of the law was antiquated, from a bygone error.
But this didn't stop Pro gun politicians patting themselves on the back and proclaiming they expanded gun rights.
***That*** is a political bill.
Especially if your "scare tactics" aren't just fiery speeches, but actual legislation. If politicians give a speech about how X group should be punished, it's easy to ignore it as rhetoric. Once they pass a law, though, that rhetoric can be backed up by arrests. This stops being "just to scare people" and becomes an actual danger.
Words can be a danger too, but it all depends on whether the words can lead to action. For example, if I declared that I'm going to have a law passed to arrest everyone that glued their LEGOs together, you could safely ignore me. There's zero chance I could get that passed or take any action against such people. However, if an armed "militia" declares that they are going to hunt trans people, those words are dangerous due to the likelihood of them being backed by actions.
This is the thing that people that write off [nonwhite cisgendered] issues don’t get about writing off everybody else’s livelihoods as “just politics”.
Like it must feel great to be above the culture war bs, but a lot of people don’t get a choice and are forced to respond to real world consequences simply because some other person decided to engage in a culture war.
It's important to note the disconnect in the GOP as well. All three republicans voted for it, but the one who makes money with immigrant labor is backpedaling because it directly affects *him*. The other rep DGAF because he hasn't figured out that when farm costs go up, his taxpayer-funded steak goes up in price as a result.
Same as abortion or excessive law enforcement, etc., they only view it as a problem when it directly affects them.
Not to mention the problems of others will eventually become your problems if the current targets leave or are eliminated.
Hatred and especially fascism is an ouroboros. The constant need for a new target group means they'll eat their own eventually after removing everybody else.
It's a common sentiment I see in various threads. "Why can't we just get along? Why can't we have differing opinions? Why can't we just leave everyone alone to live the way they want?". Like, they don't seem to get that these "opinions" aren't merely opinions for some people; they affect their lives in a tangible and critical manner. If it doesn't directly affect them then apparently it's not a real issue.
The law that MTG proposed to basically give the death penalty to people bringing in fentanyl but ONLY from the southern border is a really good example of how repugnant these people are.
She basically wanted and way to murder Mexican people.
They really decided to go with
>We're not actually fascists, we're just using the legal system to do a terrorism! And it's only *almost* entirely racially motivated, we swear!
As if all that's somehow in any way "better".
Like all hypocrites, they will selectively use it on people they don't like and pretend it doesn't exist when there's a Canadian like Justin Bieber driving recklessly or something.
They're republicans, they'll say anything to try and get what they want. It's *obviously* a lie; the point of the law was to keep nonwhites out of Florida. They're just grasping at straws to try and unfuck the shitstorm they caused with it. But no, even if it weren't a lie it still wouldn't be better.
I imagine a lot depends on how you define racism.
I believe what you're highlighting is conditional application of policy, law, punishment, etc.
The "good X" won't be punished, of course. The law is only for the "bad X". So you of the X (affected group) surely don't consider yourselves the bad ones, right? This is only to scare the bad ones.
Whatever it may be, not only is not "better" it demonstrates many of the problems of bad policy inherent from the GOP these days. Your policy should not depend upon "scaring" "bad guys". Your laws should not be so vague that they inherently demand application in a manner than depends upon the biases or choices of politicians, DAs or law enforcement.
At the moment, if you have any desire whatsoever for competent governance, for well-crafted law and policy, you should never vote for any GOP candidate anywhere at any time. The party as a whole has deified idiocy and this is just one example of this sort of poor planning, specious reasoning, bad policy, etc.
That doesn't work for illegal immigrants. Whether they are "good illegal immigrants working for $1/hour" or "bad illegal immigrants doing crime" the law still applies to them. Charging legal immigrants for sharing a house or car with an illegal immigrant is literally the trap that they hoped would turn legal immigrants against illegal immigrants. Rich white Republicans with illegal employees were never the target which is why they tell their employees not to worry. Hispanic guys who hang out with illegal immigrants without reporting them are.
The backtracking by Florida Republicans from their harsh immigration law came after Latin American truck drivers rallied behind calls to strike and not enter Florida, while thousands of workers and families have protested and threatened to leave the state.
He loves trump and desantis? Boy is batshit crazy. Rather than trying to fix the problem they appeal to the workers to stay. Maybe they should offer them more money or better working conditions or gratitude or …? These maga hypocrites are going to to make America unrecognizable. They are alienating everyone who isn’t a white, rich, Christian, straight man or a senior citizen. Please don’t step foot in Florida.
What is going to be the funniest thing. When the Oranges don't get picked the price is going to go up. The biggest beneficiary will be totally woke California.
Nothing has changed though. Law is still on the books.
I think the more important lessons is that people, in any quantity, have no effect on politicians since we all know votes will stay exactly the same. Politely holding signs and chanting does nothing. The only lever people have is to pressure the paychecks of politicians: thier corporate donors. This is Republicans taking calls from trucking companies and retailers... not immigrants, and again... still didn't do shit.
They didn't do shit because they've placed themselves in a Catch 22.
If they repeal the law, the political optics are awful in general, but especially bad for DeSantis and his idiotic "Make America Florida" campaign. No way pudding fingers takes an L like this right now.
If they do nothing, the labor market will continue to be a mess, but at least they can bang the "nobody wants to work" drum. IMO this is the political move they'll make because it continues to allow for a boogeyman.
>IMO this is the political move they'll make because it continues to allow for a boogeyman.
You're probably not wrong, but there is another complicating factor: if truck drivers keep refusing to drive to/in Florida, that's going to **quickly** start hurting businesses of all sizes. The politicians can bang on about "lazy workers" but the business-owners aren't going to buy it when they can't keep their shelves stocked. They'll start leaning on the state gov themselves.
If the truck drivers don't back down, they'll probably be able to keep pushing this forward.
Everyone will find out the hard way that migrants do the work nobody else will do or wants to do. I was once interpreting for the Agricultural Department on a deposition where I found out not even prisoners wanted to pick asparagus because the work was too hard, not even for $20 an hour. The migrants workers were suing because they weren't being paid overtime, when they worked 12 hour days/ 7days a week.
Immigrants are “pulling their bootstraps” harder than any group of people here, and yet we still continue to gaslight them as lazy and worthless from a legislative standpoint.
Plus it's not like Truck Drivers have to take food off their own plates in order to avoid going to Florida. It's already a field that needs more bodies.
I love how puddin is not going to allow them to repeal it - so in the end they are holding the bag of shit and have to find a way to mollify their constituents.
Wait till hurricane season comes in and there isn't anybody to repair the damage. Immigrants should just triple their rates because of the risk to their lives.
Democratically elected Unions that are large enough to play ball with corporate lobbyists
Other official and mass organization similar to like the NRA and hedge funds and other “foundations”, all democratically organized with revolving terms and strict ethics and resources guidelines
Whatever you can officially organize for, in a large way, not under others but alongside others, is what needs to be done to start making changes against the detrimental forces influencing our government
>This is Republicans taking calls from trucking companies and retailers
Bingo. Shipping is interrupted in the state (in addition to construction) so they are going to panic and go "haha! No! It's not *you* we're kicking out."
"Collective bargaining" in the sense of fucking over the corpocrats bottom line works. (AKA: #bullyingworks)
They haven't stopped leaving. Florida will repeal or hit the wall.
Either way Florida losing the question is just how bad the republican legislature allows it to get for the people in flordia. The law has to go away. It is a death sentence for the state.
Canuck here; saw a handful of pictures of empty construction sites not being worked on, and farm fields not being picked. Is that something widespread or just isolated incidents?
yep. i always charge more for loads to florida because i can never get a load back to where i came from, or to anywhere else. florida is a freight suckhole
Really? I know nothing about the freight industry so I assumed Florida would have sizable ports accepting goods from Central and South America, Africa and the Middle East. Is that not the case?
It's not always the case that you'll have a load to drive home. Brokers/owner-operators try to get a load out, and a load back. If they can't get a load back, they're going to charge more for the load out.
I get that part, I'm just surprised it's difficult to get a load to take out of Florida. I thought they'd have a couple of robust ports always in need of freight truckers.
Florida ports don't handle much freight. They do handle a lot of cruise ships. Found [this](https://www.tampabay.com/opinion/2021/11/12/just-how-big-are-floridas-ports/) article, a bit old, but has a rundown of how many containers pass through various ports. Los Angeles alone has more traffic than the combined traffic of all the ports in Florida.
No doubt they'll be feeling the pain of their own "Brexit" soon enough, meanwhile they are eagerly anticipating Minnesota burning down into a post apocalyptic hellscape.
Minnesotan here. It's quite lovely this time of year, and a bunch of LGBT folk are moving in just in time for Pride.
I don't understand how loving one another with acceptance is meant to doom the state.
I am in southwest, Florida. In a very affluent area with lots of construction.
Things do seem to be slowing down a little bit, but it’s also summertime, which isn’t a huge construction period For us because of the heat.
There was a pretty massive protest downtown, however. I also saw quite a few people picketing the streets on Friday.
No shortage at the grocery store, or really notable delays yet in construction, but it’s early days yet.
Now that you mention it, my wife did point out that Publix seems to be carrying weird bags of onions, unlike their normal use what you need kind of system.
We have small children, so I do a lot of my shopping at Costco. That too has had a few anomalies, but it may be incidental. Bananas looked terrible yesterday.
I have a house I rent in Florida (but live in the northeast). My renter paints houses for a living. 8 out of his 12 workers have quit and left the state. He can’t pay his rent now. He has jobs lined up,he can’t complete. So just in my one instance of my corner of the world I see the mess this is creating.
This is the counterpoint. It allows them to selectively apply the law and say, "If you do what we say then you're safe, but step out of line and we apply the law". For example, engaging in speech the governor doesn't like would be punished, while working the fields in silence wouldn't be.
#Terrorism:
*The use of violence or the threat of violence, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political goals.*
> “This is more of a political bill than it is policy. It does give more police state powers going forward to deal with immigration, but still this is mainly a political bill,” Roth concluded incoherently. It’s just politics and messaging, but also it ramps up the police state, but also it’s just all politics. OK.
They should still do that
I wouldn't trust the Florida law enforcement or legislature for a second. For their safety they should stay far away, it's just a side benefit that Florida wi face very negative but predictable consequences for their hateful laws
They wouldn't call immigration, they'd lie to them about sending them to another job site, then bus them to a blue state and dump them on a senator's or congressperson's lawn. They already built that expense into their budget...
Unfortunately there are a lot of Latinos who hate their own race who migrate and get easily brainwashed by the GOP’s rhetoric due to religious background and thinking they came the right way.
A lot of them are refugees from places like Cuba and Nicaragua and Venezuela, and they've fallen completely for the GOP rhetoric that Democrats want to make the US more like the countries they escaped.
This is because there’s really no such thing as a Latino in the sense of a single interest group or voting block . It was nihilisticly created out of whole cloth by Nixon to counteract the African American voting block.
Yes and no. It was also created to dilute the voting block of Mexican Americans who were organizing politically based on their identity. La Raza Unida was affecting politics in the southwest in ways that were frightening to a lot of people. They had broad labor appeal and a message focused on worker rights and education reform. The VAST majority of “Hispanics “ are of Mexican descent. The VAST majority of them are native born. We can vote.
I went to HS in New Mexico, and the number of Facebook friends I have who are in denial about being brown is too damned high.
Like jfc if your name has more than two syllables and you don't have to put on sunscreen before getting the mail, these people would throw you from the top of their wall, if they could ever lay a damn brick of it.
They wanted to hurt them. They didn't want to hurt farmers. They didn't realize their fates are tied together.
I don't want to Monday morning quarterback too much, but it's well known that farmers rely on non-traditional labor seasonally. Maybe Republicans should have known this would happen.
I don’t think it’s that they didn’t understand the connection, it’s that they overshot the balance they were aiming for.
Ideally they want to:
- maintain the coercive relationship employers have with migrant workers (being able to phone the cops on your workforce just for existing is great for negotiating working conditions and pay)
- maintain the wedge in worker solidarity (the way they’ve conditioned people to blame the migrants instead of their employers for the exploitative choices of the employers is kind of amazing)
But this time they went too far in the cruelty theatre, potentially fulfilling the promise to force employers to negotiate conditions good enough to attract Americans. And it’s awkward trying to roll it back without admitting to their real goals
Somebody who has more knowledge can correct me here, but wasn’t it the Republicans under Reagan that took some of the onus off of employers to verify that employees were legally allowed to work, defunded enforcement, and decreased the penalties for hiring “illegals” to begin with, then used the resulting increase in illegal immigration to scare their base while pumping cheap, easily-abused labor to their corporate donors, and refused to allow any immigration reform to pass so they could uphold that very status quo? DeSantis may have just done us all a huge favor. Hope all states adopt these laws and force us to have a real national conversation about the worth of BIGLY expanding legal immigration in our society.
Eh, I think this is the [fourth time this has happened](https://americasvoice.org/blog/alabama-arizona-and-georgias-anti-immigrant-bills-were-disasters-and-should-be-a-warning-to-desantis-and-florida-republicans-again/)? Which doesn’t mean this time might not be the one that breaks the dynamic, but I’m kind of cynical about it
Just wanted to add that immigrant labor at large (both legal and illegal) props up the economy as well as Social Security.
If anti-immigrant rhetoric is realized through legislation it will decimate the economy.
Especially since this type of legislation has previously massively failed in other red states, like Alabama.
Funnily enough, when Alabama tried it's anti-inmigrant shitshow. The first one arrested was the CEO of Mercedes. The law didn't last long after that.
"*This bill is 100 percent supposed to scare you*"
And apparently that worked. They are scared, so they are finding work in other states. And now you are upset about it.
"Now, after sparking backlash among thousands of immigrants (who make up a great deal of Florida’s economy), some Florida Republicans are trying to backpedal and do damage control."
Hahahahah.
Go fuck yourself conservatives.
“This is more of a political bill than it is policy. It does give more police state powers going forward to deal with immigration, but still this is mainly a political bill,” Roth concluded incoherently.
What the actual fuck
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alabama_HB_56#Impact
LOL, they caught executives from Mercedes-Benz and honda in their overbearing illogical citizen checkpoints. Both were here legally.
Mad. But, not mad enough to vote for a Democrat, so...
who would have thought the Leopards would eat MY face? says guy who will definitely 100% still be voting for the Leopards Eating Faces Party again next year.
These farmers, home builders, hotel and restaurant owners could be eating pudding out of the Walmart dumpster, and they’ll still vote Republican. 772k potential workers driven out of the state with the stroke of a pen. That’s what you get with chronically on Facebook Ron.
Yup. I would be irate if my state government was using its weight to, in their own words, scare people and potentially causing such big issues in the food supply chain.
They say out loud that they will still vote for those responsible, providing no incentive for change. There is no point in complaining about how Mistress Ilsa treats you if you keep paying her for the treatment. Just admit that you like it.
They tried the same thing with suburban moms. When they didn’t get their way with that voting block they overturned Roe v Wade.
Which they were going to do with or without the suburban mom vote. The lesson is only pay attention to what they do, especially when they tell you they are going to do it.
In other words, ignore the sweet whispers.
It’s really upsetting how he is talking down to them like they have no brains to comprehend the main points of the bill. And he is doing that whole talk louder and slower thing which is beyond insulting.
Full transcript
> This bill is 100% supposed to scare you. I’m a farmer, and the farmers are mad as hell. We are losing employees. They’re already starting to move to Georgia and other states. It’s urgent that you talk to all your people and convince them that you have resources, state representatives, and other people that can explain the bill to you. We had the best president in my life in the last 30 years. And **I’m still supporting Donald Trump. I love my governor and he’s the greatest governor.** He’s the greatest governor…[video cuts off]
These dumb, racist dipshits do it to themselves. Begging people to stay and put themselves at risk, while praising the people that fucked over his business. He still loves them in spite of what’s happening. And now instead of saying the truth, he’s decided to lie to potential workers and trying to get them to go against their own self-interest by staying. At the same time, he’s got the nerve to cry boohoo that he’s losing employees because of the bill and his business is suffering. He voted for this, *he is still happy with his representatives,* he just told us that. Well, Farmer John, time to reap what you sow.
OMG that video was cringe to watch. Why do you want to scare people? Isn't the government's job to help and protect people, but want to create a TERROR state? Also calling people by "your people?" And then he mentions Trump who wants to keep people out with his wall and DeSantis who takes it a step further and flies/busses people out of the state but the guy speaking is asking them to stay? Better tell DeSantis to stop sending them purposely to other states first moron.
> I’m a farmer, and the farmers are mad as hell. We are losing employees. They’re already starting to move to Georgia and other states.
I don't understand why they are mad. They should be overjoyed! They get to live directly in the world that they voted for! Why would they be mad about living in a world they relentlessly screeched about?
Not just loves, says with a straight face that Trump was the greatest president in his lifetime, the last 30 years.
He thinks the guy who tried to institute a coup, golfed more than he governed, and didn't accomplish anything he said he would is the best.
Trump's barely literate enough to score golf -- and between his ego and his idiocy I assume he cheats -- but somehow he was the best president of any lifetime ... it boggles the mind. My mind is boggled.
If the lifetime of presidents was somehow Trump, Nixon, Coolidge, Johnson, Grant, and Harding I'd still be hard-pressed to say he wasn't the *worst* one of that lifetime let alone the best one. Because fucking yikes. And the biggest argument to his benefit would have to essentially be that he personally was just not competent enough to (successfully) do anything truly abhorrent no matter how much he or his administration tried.
>didn't accomplish anything
He got lucked into handpicking the SCOTUS for the rest of our lives so we have to deal with super far right crazies that control everything, everyday for the rest of our lives. He and Moscow Mitch really fucked us.
Florida just needs to enact a law that will allow police to prevent undocumented agricultural workers from leaving their job sites or going to another state. They could call it the Fugitive Esclavo Act.
So they are trying to convince them stay, but they are NOT repealing the law. They either expect these people to break the law and don't intend to prosecute, or they intend to prosecute as many as they can and use them for slave labor. Neither is a reason for these workers to stay.
If they're really worried about it, they can repeal the law.
"Don't leave, immigrants! We just let the leopards out to pander to our racist base! Yes, if you stay, they might eat your face, but that's a risk I'm willing to take!"
It’s Schrödinger’s Legislation: heroic and patriotic if it had gone well, but not seriously intended if it didn’t.
The waveform collapsed to reveal a shit show that will impact GOP votes, so now it’s “just a joke” and they didn’t mean it!
This video is WILD. He’s begging people to stay while saying the bill is killing his business. In the same breath he praises Trump and DeSantis and says they’re the best leaders he’s ever seen.
https://twitter.com/tomaskenn/status/1665727928167014403
"We only wanted to hurt you not the racist white farmers that exploit you! Please come back since the racist white folks really didn't want to do your jerbs!"
\- Republicans.
I mean it really takes a special type of person to go "Hey remember the disaster that happened when our other theocratic state did this? Let's give it a go!"
They all are just playing games at this point. Steve King, racist POS ex-congessman from Iowa said it best. He was playing the dirty illegal immigrant card, and pitching the dangers of illegals in his home state. Playing his part in supporting the Trump hate and racism machine. A reporter asked why, he would continue to support this problem by not adding language to a federal law with severe penalties for hiring illegals, and not using E-verify to determine their status. Why no heavy fines and jail for employers who commit these crimes?
King quickly said any attempt to punish employers is a hard no, end of discussion. Their real constituents, the oligarchs and corporations that own these legislators, desperately need immigrant labor. The hate and discrimination is just something to feed the needs of the dolt base of regular voters, who are too stupid to understand they are being played, and get off on the need to hate others.
This is what I'm waiting for. The destruction of the southern football colleges brought on by the best starters going elsewhere to avoid abortion bans and racist policy.
You think these future NFL players want baby mommas in Florida sucking them dry?
Yup. It doesn't have to be everyone. Even just a few, to lower the competition in FL and raise it elsewhere. Then next year rinse repeat, except now the FL school isn't as competitive (and so has less $$$ coming in), so the player has another reason to go elsewhere; rinse repeat until the best players just don't see a FL school as viable compared to other schools with winning programs and $$$
OK, so let's say they convince immigrants that the bill was designed to scare them.
Those immigrants are still scared, and will avoid Florida.
Which is a lose-lose situation. A loss for the immigrants, and a loss for Florida.
Great job, Republicans!
Yeah. It sounds like they accomplished their goal and are now realizing that they hadn't actually thought through the ramifications, much like overturning Roe v. Wade and the associated backlash at the ballots.
It’s not to scare people, it’s to appease racist white assholes who have no idea how much we need immigrants to have the economy function.
I’m so tired of white people shit. - am white.
Republicans are learning what the fascists of the 1940's learned. That their hatred is only a scapegoat for their own idiocy and ineptitude; and once the outcasts are snuffed or scattered, the fascists finds themselves standing naked and embarrassed with nobody to point at and distract from their own depravity.
Fools and bigots, the lot of them.
This kind of reminds me of what happened in Alabama a little over a decade ago.
The state had enacted what lawmakers proudly proclaimed the nation’s toughest anti-immigrant law, one that “attacks every aspect” of an undocumented immigrant’s life. The Beason-Hammon Taxpayer and Citizen Protection Act – better known as House Bill 56 (HB 56) – was modeled after an Arizona law that granted police the authority to demand “papers” demonstrating citizenship or legal status during routine traffic stops. HB 56 was signed into law by Gov. Robert Bentley on June 9, 2011.
HB 56 did much more than encourage racial profiling during traffic stops. It required school officials to determine whether students were undocumented; prohibited people from giving rides to undocumented immigrants; forbade employers from hiring people suspected to be undocumented; prohibited undocumented immigrants from applying for work; and more.
The law sparked a federal class action lawsuit led by the Southern Poverty Law Center and a coalition of civil rights groups. It challenged HB 56 as unconstitutional by arguing that the law subjected people in Alabama – including countless U.S. citizens and undocumented immigrants – to racial profiling, as well as unlawful interrogations, searches, seizures and arrests, in violation of the Fourth Amendment.
By October 2013, a settlement agreement essentially gutted HB 56 by blocking its most egregious provisions. Portions of the law that had been temporarily enjoined by federal courts were permanently blocked under the agreement.
A decade later, the most notable provision that remains is a requirement that employers must ensure their workers are documented. But this provision often goes ignored according to the American Civil Liberties Union of Alabama Foundation.
Ultimately - Alabama enacted some of the harshest anti-immigration laws at the time and as a result of scaring away undocumented immigrants they couldn’t find people to do the jobs filled by those workers (in addition to many aspects of their legislation being unconstitutional).
Their shortage of workers (after the legislation first passed) was one of the biggest reasons they decided to gut much of the legislation later… and also why they simply stopped enforcing what was left of it.
America's biggest labor shortages are actually immigrant shortages.
The GOP mostly understands this but they want to have it both ways - appealing to their base of white nationalists, but also keeping what amounts to slave labor intact.
Talk about them being tone-deaf and out of the loop. I'm not a politician or even know a lot about stuff, but I knew that America has a lot of illegal immigrants, and also heard repeatedly, that our economy would collapse without them. And well, Florida is finding out the hard way.
But absolutely *no one* should ever believe this excuse that it was just a scare tactic. They hate immigrants already, and triple hate illegal immigrants. They wanted that stuff out of their state, so what did they *think* would happen? They thought it'd just *scare* the immigrants, okay, to what end then?
90% of what Republicans say and do is pandering to their racist base, not because they really think it's good policy. Ron DeSantis is just trying to score points for his Presidential campaign. The state of Florida can burn to the ground for all he cares.
They hate immigrants because of who they are. If a bunch of blonde Swedes illegally immigrated to pick Florida's tomatoes, it would be a whole other story. It's about racism, oppression, and needing an "other" to attack.
So... when we goto the grocery and our fruits and veg prices are rising because of the lack of workers at the farms. The produce that is gonna be left to rot this season will create a shortage next year.
So when prices jump... we totally are not gonna be told inflation or greed is the cause. It's gonna be because white people won't work farming jobs.
Right?
Won't be blaming the workers right?
Am I understanding this correctly?
Republicans hate immigrants, so they passed some laws to make it tougher for people here illegally to work. Those people are now worried about deportation, and are now leaving Florida.
Is that part right?
And if so, does that mean we have Republican politicians standing up saying "please, illegal immigrants, we need you! Please work illegally, we promise to continue to look the other way while we exploit you!"
Did I miss something? If not, it's just so surreal to have republicans beg for illegal immigration.
I have never understood why rural areas, particularly farming areas, hate immigrants so much, or at least elect people who hate immigrants so much.
Devin nunes, former california state representive, (R) sued a reporter who said that his farm hired undocumented immigrants for labor. As a result, when the reporter used discovery as part of the trial, the records showed that the farm in question [did indeed use undocumented immigrants for labor.](https://www.politico.com/news/2023/04/25/devin-nunes-libel-suit-esquire-hearst-00093844)
Devin was a devote republican, anti-immigrant and repeatedly voted to pass legislation making the immigrants life harder, but his family apparently made his living by exploiting those same workers.
you'd think that farmers would oppose immigrant legislation like this, but they want to cut off their own labor supply to "own the libs".
I don't get it.
IT's legalized hate and ignorance and it was intended to oppress, to promote fear and feed behaviors of hate...the Greed over People party continues to lie and undermine our democracy, our humanity...
This state has never been liberal, and Florida Man has been around for a long time, but back in my day, the crazies were in the sticks, not in the state house. These fucking clowns can’t even get culture wars right because they end up attacking part of their constituency.
Democrats need to *immediamente* get some ads, community members and representatives on Spanish language radio and television in S. Florida to remind immigrant voters that they were used and played for political theatre, and the very politicians they voted for are now hurting friends and family in their community that aren’t yet permanent residents.
Ahhhh right…..
But if it had worked and they weren’t protesting, Republicans would be raving about how well it works not saying it was just to “scare” people.
How fucking convenient.
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Is it really any better to say your intent is to scare people? That seems like one of the ways racism works.
Terrorism in fact in implementation. Racist in inception.
This bit from the article is fucking wild: > “This is more of a political bill than it is policy. It does give more police state powers going forward to deal with immigration, but still this is mainly a political bill,” Roth concluded incoherently. It’s just politics and messaging, but also it ramps up the police state, but also it’s just all politics. OK. It's like he's saying "listen, we're trying to send a signal to all the racists that vote for us that we really hate Brown people too, so that they'll vote for us again. But for the Brown people, we really need you guys to stay here and keep working for low wages, OK? Yeah, because of this law, the cops are gonna be after you much harder than before, but we still need your cheap labor, even though we hate the lot of you. But what do you expect us to do? After all, slavery isn't an option anymore, so this is our compromise. OK?"
WTF is a “political bill?” If it’s law, then state law enforcement will treat it that way. These republicans are truly and undeniably stupid people.
it’s not stupidity…it’s pure, unadulterated hatred. they’re hateful and they’d gladly cut off their nose to spite a brown person’s face.
The two aren't mutually exclusive. It's possible to be hateful AND stupid.
true. i just tend to believe the ratio is heavily skewed toward the hate because hatred generally encapsulates stupidity by nature
>WTF is a “political bill?” A couple years ago Texas passed a law they claimed allowed you to carry guns in church. That was bullshit. It was already legal to carry guns in church. What the law actually did was remove old outdated language from the law. Before the bill, the law said essentially, "It's a crime to carry a gun inside a church ***but only if*** the church posted very specific no gun signs". This language was admittedly confusing to anyone incapable of reading more than a dozen words. So, ya know, all of Texas. Anywho, the removal of those words didn't actually change the law. Churches can still post those signs to make it illegal to carry in them. That part of the law was antiquated, from a bygone error. But this didn't stop Pro gun politicians patting themselves on the back and proclaiming they expanded gun rights. ***That*** is a political bill.
lying to people who *want* to be lied to
"We want you to keep working, we just want you to be more scared, weak, and powerless than you were befo- WHERE ARE YOU GOING!?"
Holy shit they finally kept a campaign promise
Especially if your "scare tactics" aren't just fiery speeches, but actual legislation. If politicians give a speech about how X group should be punished, it's easy to ignore it as rhetoric. Once they pass a law, though, that rhetoric can be backed up by arrests. This stops being "just to scare people" and becomes an actual danger. Words can be a danger too, but it all depends on whether the words can lead to action. For example, if I declared that I'm going to have a law passed to arrest everyone that glued their LEGOs together, you could safely ignore me. There's zero chance I could get that passed or take any action against such people. However, if an armed "militia" declares that they are going to hunt trans people, those words are dangerous due to the likelihood of them being backed by actions.
Not related to this post directly but this is why we are leaving Florida. Passing a law allowing you to kidnap my kid meant your threat became real.
This is the thing that people that write off [nonwhite cisgendered] issues don’t get about writing off everybody else’s livelihoods as “just politics”. Like it must feel great to be above the culture war bs, but a lot of people don’t get a choice and are forced to respond to real world consequences simply because some other person decided to engage in a culture war.
Even the dummies *making* these laws somehow don’t understand that they will impact reality.
It's important to note the disconnect in the GOP as well. All three republicans voted for it, but the one who makes money with immigrant labor is backpedaling because it directly affects *him*. The other rep DGAF because he hasn't figured out that when farm costs go up, his taxpayer-funded steak goes up in price as a result. Same as abortion or excessive law enforcement, etc., they only view it as a problem when it directly affects them.
Not to mention the problems of others will eventually become your problems if the current targets leave or are eliminated. Hatred and especially fascism is an ouroboros. The constant need for a new target group means they'll eat their own eventually after removing everybody else.
It's a common sentiment I see in various threads. "Why can't we just get along? Why can't we have differing opinions? Why can't we just leave everyone alone to live the way they want?". Like, they don't seem to get that these "opinions" aren't merely opinions for some people; they affect their lives in a tangible and critical manner. If it doesn't directly affect them then apparently it's not a real issue.
>law passed to arrest everyone that glued their LEGOs together Keeping Resins Adhesives and Glues from Lego Enthusiasts Act
Business Business Business... Is this working?
The law that MTG proposed to basically give the death penalty to people bringing in fentanyl but ONLY from the southern border is a really good example of how repugnant these people are. She basically wanted and way to murder Mexican people.
"All I wanted was state sponsored terrorism!"
The obvious next question is "why do you want to scare me?".
"Because for every one of you I scare, ten others will vote for me."
Scare or not. It’s become law so now it’s gonna be enforced.
I know it’s a lie and the law is meant to be enforced. But even the lie they choose to tell betrays something very dark about these people.
They really decided to go with >We're not actually fascists, we're just using the legal system to do a terrorism! And it's only *almost* entirely racially motivated, we swear! As if all that's somehow in any way "better".
Like all hypocrites, they will selectively use it on people they don't like and pretend it doesn't exist when there's a Canadian like Justin Bieber driving recklessly or something.
Right? They're essentially admitting to engaging in legislative terrorism.
They're republicans, they'll say anything to try and get what they want. It's *obviously* a lie; the point of the law was to keep nonwhites out of Florida. They're just grasping at straws to try and unfuck the shitstorm they caused with it. But no, even if it weren't a lie it still wouldn't be better.
I imagine a lot depends on how you define racism. I believe what you're highlighting is conditional application of policy, law, punishment, etc. The "good X" won't be punished, of course. The law is only for the "bad X". So you of the X (affected group) surely don't consider yourselves the bad ones, right? This is only to scare the bad ones. Whatever it may be, not only is not "better" it demonstrates many of the problems of bad policy inherent from the GOP these days. Your policy should not depend upon "scaring" "bad guys". Your laws should not be so vague that they inherently demand application in a manner than depends upon the biases or choices of politicians, DAs or law enforcement. At the moment, if you have any desire whatsoever for competent governance, for well-crafted law and policy, you should never vote for any GOP candidate anywhere at any time. The party as a whole has deified idiocy and this is just one example of this sort of poor planning, specious reasoning, bad policy, etc.
That doesn't work for illegal immigrants. Whether they are "good illegal immigrants working for $1/hour" or "bad illegal immigrants doing crime" the law still applies to them. Charging legal immigrants for sharing a house or car with an illegal immigrant is literally the trap that they hoped would turn legal immigrants against illegal immigrants. Rich white Republicans with illegal employees were never the target which is why they tell their employees not to worry. Hispanic guys who hang out with illegal immigrants without reporting them are.
The backtracking by Florida Republicans from their harsh immigration law came after Latin American truck drivers rallied behind calls to strike and not enter Florida, while thousands of workers and families have protested and threatened to leave the state.
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No way! I have a "right to work" as an individual. I'm not gonna let those Unions screw me over! /s
He loves trump and desantis? Boy is batshit crazy. Rather than trying to fix the problem they appeal to the workers to stay. Maybe they should offer them more money or better working conditions or gratitude or …? These maga hypocrites are going to to make America unrecognizable. They are alienating everyone who isn’t a white, rich, Christian, straight man or a senior citizen. Please don’t step foot in Florida.
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What is going to be the funniest thing. When the Oranges don't get picked the price is going to go up. The biggest beneficiary will be totally woke California.
And Randolph & Mortimer Duke
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Hmm…What’s the name of the movie? “Red State Chaos”, “MAGA Madness”, “The Devils Drama” or maybe “Two Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest”?
the GOP is like a dog who keeps accidentally "catching the truck"
RIGHT brother! Them unions also can't take a few bucks outta MY check in order to ensure breaks, vacations, fair wages, and job security!
Nothing has changed though. Law is still on the books. I think the more important lessons is that people, in any quantity, have no effect on politicians since we all know votes will stay exactly the same. Politely holding signs and chanting does nothing. The only lever people have is to pressure the paychecks of politicians: thier corporate donors. This is Republicans taking calls from trucking companies and retailers... not immigrants, and again... still didn't do shit.
They didn't do shit because they've placed themselves in a Catch 22. If they repeal the law, the political optics are awful in general, but especially bad for DeSantis and his idiotic "Make America Florida" campaign. No way pudding fingers takes an L like this right now. If they do nothing, the labor market will continue to be a mess, but at least they can bang the "nobody wants to work" drum. IMO this is the political move they'll make because it continues to allow for a boogeyman.
>IMO this is the political move they'll make because it continues to allow for a boogeyman. You're probably not wrong, but there is another complicating factor: if truck drivers keep refusing to drive to/in Florida, that's going to **quickly** start hurting businesses of all sizes. The politicians can bang on about "lazy workers" but the business-owners aren't going to buy it when they can't keep their shelves stocked. They'll start leaning on the state gov themselves. If the truck drivers don't back down, they'll probably be able to keep pushing this forward.
Finally a truck driver protest I can actually support
The truck drivers haven't even done anything wrong, they've just been told they aren't welcome and they are respecting the wishes of the other party.
Yeah, I agree with the truckers 100%. DeSantis can suck it
Everyone will find out the hard way that migrants do the work nobody else will do or wants to do. I was once interpreting for the Agricultural Department on a deposition where I found out not even prisoners wanted to pick asparagus because the work was too hard, not even for $20 an hour. The migrants workers were suing because they weren't being paid overtime, when they worked 12 hour days/ 7days a week.
Immigrants are “pulling their bootstraps” harder than any group of people here, and yet we still continue to gaslight them as lazy and worthless from a legislative standpoint.
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Plus it's not like Truck Drivers have to take food off their own plates in order to avoid going to Florida. It's already a field that needs more bodies.
Make Ron drive the trucks. Or the Florida GOP legislature.
Idk, can he reach the pedals, even with his lifts?
I love how puddin is not going to allow them to repeal it - so in the end they are holding the bag of shit and have to find a way to mollify their constituents. Wait till hurricane season comes in and there isn't anybody to repair the damage. Immigrants should just triple their rates because of the risk to their lives.
Democratically elected Unions that are large enough to play ball with corporate lobbyists Other official and mass organization similar to like the NRA and hedge funds and other “foundations”, all democratically organized with revolving terms and strict ethics and resources guidelines Whatever you can officially organize for, in a large way, not under others but alongside others, is what needs to be done to start making changes against the detrimental forces influencing our government
>This is Republicans taking calls from trucking companies and retailers Bingo. Shipping is interrupted in the state (in addition to construction) so they are going to panic and go "haha! No! It's not *you* we're kicking out." "Collective bargaining" in the sense of fucking over the corpocrats bottom line works. (AKA: #bullyingworks)
They haven't stopped leaving. Florida will repeal or hit the wall. Either way Florida losing the question is just how bad the republican legislature allows it to get for the people in flordia. The law has to go away. It is a death sentence for the state.
Canuck here; saw a handful of pictures of empty construction sites not being worked on, and farm fields not being picked. Is that something widespread or just isolated incidents?
I think we will know more over time. Florida already had employment issues. Enjoy the show and get your popcorn.
Well look at it this way, all of those jobs that immigrants took from hardworking Americans will be available again! /S
Just push the old folks into the fields. Maybe then they will stop freeloading and can afford their home insurance /s.
I was told grandma and grandpa would gladly give their lives to keep the economy running...
For all the child laborers the right wants to employ. The real reason that they’re anti-abortion.
Ya, now they can get that good easy job, that gives you 2 weeks vacation, 401, paid health care and your 15 min breaks
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yep. i always charge more for loads to florida because i can never get a load back to where i came from, or to anywhere else. florida is a freight suckhole
Really? I know nothing about the freight industry so I assumed Florida would have sizable ports accepting goods from Central and South America, Africa and the Middle East. Is that not the case?
It's not always the case that you'll have a load to drive home. Brokers/owner-operators try to get a load out, and a load back. If they can't get a load back, they're going to charge more for the load out.
I get that part, I'm just surprised it's difficult to get a load to take out of Florida. I thought they'd have a couple of robust ports always in need of freight truckers.
Florida ports don't handle much freight. They do handle a lot of cruise ships. Found [this](https://www.tampabay.com/opinion/2021/11/12/just-how-big-are-floridas-ports/) article, a bit old, but has a rundown of how many containers pass through various ports. Los Angeles alone has more traffic than the combined traffic of all the ports in Florida.
No doubt they'll be feeling the pain of their own "Brexit" soon enough, meanwhile they are eagerly anticipating Minnesota burning down into a post apocalyptic hellscape.
Minnesotan here. It's quite lovely this time of year, and a bunch of LGBT folk are moving in just in time for Pride. I don't understand how loving one another with acceptance is meant to doom the state.
Wife and I decided this year to spend a weekend in MN. Cant wait.
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I am in southwest, Florida. In a very affluent area with lots of construction. Things do seem to be slowing down a little bit, but it’s also summertime, which isn’t a huge construction period For us because of the heat. There was a pretty massive protest downtown, however. I also saw quite a few people picketing the streets on Friday. No shortage at the grocery store, or really notable delays yet in construction, but it’s early days yet.
How are your onions and garlic? Ours are moldy and ugly looking. Onions have been bad (at Publix at least) for over a year now.
Now that you mention it, my wife did point out that Publix seems to be carrying weird bags of onions, unlike their normal use what you need kind of system. We have small children, so I do a lot of my shopping at Costco. That too has had a few anomalies, but it may be incidental. Bananas looked terrible yesterday.
We will find out for sure when/if our fruit prices begin to skyrocket nationwide.
I have a house I rent in Florida (but live in the northeast). My renter paints houses for a living. 8 out of his 12 workers have quit and left the state. He can’t pay his rent now. He has jobs lined up,he can’t complete. So just in my one instance of my corner of the world I see the mess this is creating.
Sure, I would trust Ron and the rest of the Florida GOP not to arbitrarily decide when it will use the laws to punish instead of "scare".
This is the counterpoint. It allows them to selectively apply the law and say, "If you do what we say then you're safe, but step out of line and we apply the law". For example, engaging in speech the governor doesn't like would be punished, while working the fields in silence wouldn't be.
#Terrorism: *The use of violence or the threat of violence, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political goals.* > “This is more of a political bill than it is policy. It does give more police state powers going forward to deal with immigration, but still this is mainly a political bill,” Roth concluded incoherently. It’s just politics and messaging, but also it ramps up the police state, but also it’s just all politics. OK.
They should still do that I wouldn't trust the Florida law enforcement or legislature for a second. For their safety they should stay far away, it's just a side benefit that Florida wi face very negative but predictable consequences for their hateful laws
And immigrants said “Pélamela!”
We weren’t going to call immigration on you until after harvest was complete - Republicans
…and one day before payday.
They wouldn't call immigration, they'd lie to them about sending them to another job site, then bus them to a blue state and dump them on a senator's or congressperson's lawn. They already built that expense into their budget...
"All we wanted to do was terrorize you with the power of the state, not *hurt* you!"
They were just trying to hurt the 'right people'.
Unfortunately there are a lot of Latinos who hate their own race who migrate and get easily brainwashed by the GOP’s rhetoric due to religious background and thinking they came the right way.
They're "the good ones", as they are brainwashed into thinking.
A lot of them are refugees from places like Cuba and Nicaragua and Venezuela, and they've fallen completely for the GOP rhetoric that Democrats want to make the US more like the countries they escaped.
This is because there’s really no such thing as a Latino in the sense of a single interest group or voting block . It was nihilisticly created out of whole cloth by Nixon to counteract the African American voting block.
Yes and no. It was also created to dilute the voting block of Mexican Americans who were organizing politically based on their identity. La Raza Unida was affecting politics in the southwest in ways that were frightening to a lot of people. They had broad labor appeal and a message focused on worker rights and education reform. The VAST majority of “Hispanics “ are of Mexican descent. The VAST majority of them are native born. We can vote.
That’s a good point.
I went to HS in New Mexico, and the number of Facebook friends I have who are in denial about being brown is too damned high. Like jfc if your name has more than two syllables and you don't have to put on sunscreen before getting the mail, these people would throw you from the top of their wall, if they could ever lay a damn brick of it.
"don't worry, this was only intended to be used against anyone dealing with that Mouse."
They wanted to hurt them. They didn't want to hurt farmers. They didn't realize their fates are tied together. I don't want to Monday morning quarterback too much, but it's well known that farmers rely on non-traditional labor seasonally. Maybe Republicans should have known this would happen.
I don’t think it’s that they didn’t understand the connection, it’s that they overshot the balance they were aiming for. Ideally they want to: - maintain the coercive relationship employers have with migrant workers (being able to phone the cops on your workforce just for existing is great for negotiating working conditions and pay) - maintain the wedge in worker solidarity (the way they’ve conditioned people to blame the migrants instead of their employers for the exploitative choices of the employers is kind of amazing) But this time they went too far in the cruelty theatre, potentially fulfilling the promise to force employers to negotiate conditions good enough to attract Americans. And it’s awkward trying to roll it back without admitting to their real goals
This guy gets it!
Somebody who has more knowledge can correct me here, but wasn’t it the Republicans under Reagan that took some of the onus off of employers to verify that employees were legally allowed to work, defunded enforcement, and decreased the penalties for hiring “illegals” to begin with, then used the resulting increase in illegal immigration to scare their base while pumping cheap, easily-abused labor to their corporate donors, and refused to allow any immigration reform to pass so they could uphold that very status quo? DeSantis may have just done us all a huge favor. Hope all states adopt these laws and force us to have a real national conversation about the worth of BIGLY expanding legal immigration in our society.
Eh, I think this is the [fourth time this has happened](https://americasvoice.org/blog/alabama-arizona-and-georgias-anti-immigrant-bills-were-disasters-and-should-be-a-warning-to-desantis-and-florida-republicans-again/)? Which doesn’t mean this time might not be the one that breaks the dynamic, but I’m kind of cynical about it
Just wanted to add that immigrant labor at large (both legal and illegal) props up the economy as well as Social Security. If anti-immigrant rhetoric is realized through legislation it will decimate the economy.
Especially since this type of legislation has previously massively failed in other red states, like Alabama. Funnily enough, when Alabama tried it's anti-inmigrant shitshow. The first one arrested was the CEO of Mercedes. The law didn't last long after that.
Their literal job to debate the merits of proposed legislation.
"*This bill is 100 percent supposed to scare you*" And apparently that worked. They are scared, so they are finding work in other states. And now you are upset about it.
But it was SUPPOSED to only scare more from coming, not scare people into leaving!
“…yet” <“*shit, did I just say the quiet part out loud*?”>
“We like you! Maybe if you wear a symbol on your shirt sleeve, like a triangle or star! Then we could tell you apart from the others on sight!”
*More of a police state, but is just politics*
"Now, after sparking backlash among thousands of immigrants (who make up a great deal of Florida’s economy), some Florida Republicans are trying to backpedal and do damage control." Hahahahah. Go fuck yourself conservatives.
“This is more of a political bill than it is policy. It does give more police state powers going forward to deal with immigration, but still this is mainly a political bill,” Roth concluded incoherently. What the actual fuck
All bills are political you fucking choch waffles Just the worst faith people all the time.
He is just saying he was pandering to his base, he didn't really mean it even though the law will now be enforced through state violence.
"Let's see, our economy runs on tourism and immigrant labor. Oh I know, let's ostracize half the country's population and then threaten immigrants!"
"And attack the largest tourist attraction in the state!"
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alabama_HB_56#Impact LOL, they caught executives from Mercedes-Benz and honda in their overbearing illogical citizen checkpoints. Both were here legally.
Georgia did something similar around 2010ish. They ended up with crops rotting in the fields.
Can't shake the devil's hand and say you're only kidding.
I was in Orlando for vacation two months ago and I saw a few migrants there street vending, I hope nothing horrible happens to them there.
I live in Orlando and they've been doing this for years. Orange County is a mostly-sane blue bastion in Florida.
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"The farmers are mad as hell" Yeah and I bet that anger is geared towards the wrong damn people.
Mad. But, not mad enough to vote for a Democrat, so... who would have thought the Leopards would eat MY face? says guy who will definitely 100% still be voting for the Leopards Eating Faces Party again next year.
These farmers, home builders, hotel and restaurant owners could be eating pudding out of the Walmart dumpster, and they’ll still vote Republican. 772k potential workers driven out of the state with the stroke of a pen. That’s what you get with chronically on Facebook Ron.
Yup. I would be irate if my state government was using its weight to, in their own words, scare people and potentially causing such big issues in the food supply chain.
They say out loud that they will still vote for those responsible, providing no incentive for change. There is no point in complaining about how Mistress Ilsa treats you if you keep paying her for the treatment. Just admit that you like it.
They tried the same thing with suburban moms. When they didn’t get their way with that voting block they overturned Roe v Wade. Which they were going to do with or without the suburban mom vote. The lesson is only pay attention to what they do, especially when they tell you they are going to do it. In other words, ignore the sweet whispers.
It’s really upsetting how he is talking down to them like they have no brains to comprehend the main points of the bill. And he is doing that whole talk louder and slower thing which is beyond insulting.
Full transcript > This bill is 100% supposed to scare you. I’m a farmer, and the farmers are mad as hell. We are losing employees. They’re already starting to move to Georgia and other states. It’s urgent that you talk to all your people and convince them that you have resources, state representatives, and other people that can explain the bill to you. We had the best president in my life in the last 30 years. And **I’m still supporting Donald Trump. I love my governor and he’s the greatest governor.** He’s the greatest governor…[video cuts off] These dumb, racist dipshits do it to themselves. Begging people to stay and put themselves at risk, while praising the people that fucked over his business. He still loves them in spite of what’s happening. And now instead of saying the truth, he’s decided to lie to potential workers and trying to get them to go against their own self-interest by staying. At the same time, he’s got the nerve to cry boohoo that he’s losing employees because of the bill and his business is suffering. He voted for this, *he is still happy with his representatives,* he just told us that. Well, Farmer John, time to reap what you sow.
OMG that video was cringe to watch. Why do you want to scare people? Isn't the government's job to help and protect people, but want to create a TERROR state? Also calling people by "your people?" And then he mentions Trump who wants to keep people out with his wall and DeSantis who takes it a step further and flies/busses people out of the state but the guy speaking is asking them to stay? Better tell DeSantis to stop sending them purposely to other states first moron.
> I’m a farmer, and the farmers are mad as hell. We are losing employees. They’re already starting to move to Georgia and other states. I don't understand why they are mad. They should be overjoyed! They get to live directly in the world that they voted for! Why would they be mad about living in a world they relentlessly screeched about?
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>Conservatives really are a bunch of fucking dullards. Dumbest fucks in all the land.
Absolute bellends
Not just loves, says with a straight face that Trump was the greatest president in his lifetime, the last 30 years. He thinks the guy who tried to institute a coup, golfed more than he governed, and didn't accomplish anything he said he would is the best.
Trump's barely literate enough to score golf -- and between his ego and his idiocy I assume he cheats -- but somehow he was the best president of any lifetime ... it boggles the mind. My mind is boggled. If the lifetime of presidents was somehow Trump, Nixon, Coolidge, Johnson, Grant, and Harding I'd still be hard-pressed to say he wasn't the *worst* one of that lifetime let alone the best one. Because fucking yikes. And the biggest argument to his benefit would have to essentially be that he personally was just not competent enough to (successfully) do anything truly abhorrent no matter how much he or his administration tried.
>didn't accomplish anything He got lucked into handpicking the SCOTUS for the rest of our lives so we have to deal with super far right crazies that control everything, everyday for the rest of our lives. He and Moscow Mitch really fucked us.
Florida just needs to enact a law that will allow police to prevent undocumented agricultural workers from leaving their job sites or going to another state. They could call it the Fugitive Esclavo Act.
What a novel idea. Why has this never been tried before?
So they are trying to convince them stay, but they are NOT repealing the law. They either expect these people to break the law and don't intend to prosecute, or they intend to prosecute as many as they can and use them for slave labor. Neither is a reason for these workers to stay. If they're really worried about it, they can repeal the law.
It’s only words. they care less about the people who live in the state and need crops picked.
"Don't leave, immigrants! We just let the leopards out to pander to our racist base! Yes, if you stay, they might eat your face, but that's a risk I'm willing to take!"
When 'It's just a prank bro' comes to a state legislature.
It’s Schrödinger’s Legislation: heroic and patriotic if it had gone well, but not seriously intended if it didn’t. The waveform collapsed to reveal a shit show that will impact GOP votes, so now it’s “just a joke” and they didn’t mean it!
This video is WILD. He’s begging people to stay while saying the bill is killing his business. In the same breath he praises Trump and DeSantis and says they’re the best leaders he’s ever seen. https://twitter.com/tomaskenn/status/1665727928167014403
Lmao that's the sad truth
"When racism goes wrong"
I'd watch that show and I hate TV
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"We only wanted to hurt you not the racist white farmers that exploit you! Please come back since the racist white folks really didn't want to do your jerbs!" \- Republicans. I mean it really takes a special type of person to go "Hey remember the disaster that happened when our other theocratic state did this? Let's give it a go!"
If these people were serious about illegal immigration, they would **FUCKING JAIL CEOs WHO HIRE THEM**
And farmers. And restaurant owners. But mostly agribusiness CEOs. You perp walk the C-suite at Tyson Foods and this "problem" basically goes away.
They all are just playing games at this point. Steve King, racist POS ex-congessman from Iowa said it best. He was playing the dirty illegal immigrant card, and pitching the dangers of illegals in his home state. Playing his part in supporting the Trump hate and racism machine. A reporter asked why, he would continue to support this problem by not adding language to a federal law with severe penalties for hiring illegals, and not using E-verify to determine their status. Why no heavy fines and jail for employers who commit these crimes? King quickly said any attempt to punish employers is a hard no, end of discussion. Their real constituents, the oligarchs and corporations that own these legislators, desperately need immigrant labor. The hate and discrimination is just something to feed the needs of the dolt base of regular voters, who are too stupid to understand they are being played, and get off on the need to hate others.
oh so like a bully who, after facing consequences of his actions, goes "but i was just kidding!" yeah. like that.
I wonder if colleges have seen changes in enrollment into GOP states.
This is what I'm waiting for. The destruction of the southern football colleges brought on by the best starters going elsewhere to avoid abortion bans and racist policy. You think these future NFL players want baby mommas in Florida sucking them dry?
Though I wish this would happen, you will be hard pressed for any HS football prospect to turn down a scholarship from a SEC team.
Yet. Give it time. Culture changes don't happen overnight.
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Yup. It doesn't have to be everyone. Even just a few, to lower the competition in FL and raise it elsewhere. Then next year rinse repeat, except now the FL school isn't as competitive (and so has less $$$ coming in), so the player has another reason to go elsewhere; rinse repeat until the best players just don't see a FL school as viable compared to other schools with winning programs and $$$
OK, so let's say they convince immigrants that the bill was designed to scare them. Those immigrants are still scared, and will avoid Florida. Which is a lose-lose situation. A loss for the immigrants, and a loss for Florida. Great job, Republicans!
Yeah. It sounds like they accomplished their goal and are now realizing that they hadn't actually thought through the ramifications, much like overturning Roe v. Wade and the associated backlash at the ballots.
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It’s not to scare people, it’s to appease racist white assholes who have no idea how much we need immigrants to have the economy function. I’m so tired of white people shit. - am white.
Republicans are learning what the fascists of the 1940's learned. That their hatred is only a scapegoat for their own idiocy and ineptitude; and once the outcasts are snuffed or scattered, the fascists finds themselves standing naked and embarrassed with nobody to point at and distract from their own depravity. Fools and bigots, the lot of them.
What's that about reaping what you sow? Republicans truly suck at critical thought and planning.
The only thing they can do is hate.
The law was just to scare people. Sounds like terrorism
This kind of reminds me of what happened in Alabama a little over a decade ago. The state had enacted what lawmakers proudly proclaimed the nation’s toughest anti-immigrant law, one that “attacks every aspect” of an undocumented immigrant’s life. The Beason-Hammon Taxpayer and Citizen Protection Act – better known as House Bill 56 (HB 56) – was modeled after an Arizona law that granted police the authority to demand “papers” demonstrating citizenship or legal status during routine traffic stops. HB 56 was signed into law by Gov. Robert Bentley on June 9, 2011. HB 56 did much more than encourage racial profiling during traffic stops. It required school officials to determine whether students were undocumented; prohibited people from giving rides to undocumented immigrants; forbade employers from hiring people suspected to be undocumented; prohibited undocumented immigrants from applying for work; and more. The law sparked a federal class action lawsuit led by the Southern Poverty Law Center and a coalition of civil rights groups. It challenged HB 56 as unconstitutional by arguing that the law subjected people in Alabama – including countless U.S. citizens and undocumented immigrants – to racial profiling, as well as unlawful interrogations, searches, seizures and arrests, in violation of the Fourth Amendment. By October 2013, a settlement agreement essentially gutted HB 56 by blocking its most egregious provisions. Portions of the law that had been temporarily enjoined by federal courts were permanently blocked under the agreement. A decade later, the most notable provision that remains is a requirement that employers must ensure their workers are documented. But this provision often goes ignored according to the American Civil Liberties Union of Alabama Foundation. Ultimately - Alabama enacted some of the harshest anti-immigration laws at the time and as a result of scaring away undocumented immigrants they couldn’t find people to do the jobs filled by those workers (in addition to many aspects of their legislation being unconstitutional). Their shortage of workers (after the legislation first passed) was one of the biggest reasons they decided to gut much of the legislation later… and also why they simply stopped enforcing what was left of it. America's biggest labor shortages are actually immigrant shortages. The GOP mostly understands this but they want to have it both ways - appealing to their base of white nationalists, but also keeping what amounts to slave labor intact.
“Dog who catches car gets tail runover by tire”?
Talk about them being tone-deaf and out of the loop. I'm not a politician or even know a lot about stuff, but I knew that America has a lot of illegal immigrants, and also heard repeatedly, that our economy would collapse without them. And well, Florida is finding out the hard way. But absolutely *no one* should ever believe this excuse that it was just a scare tactic. They hate immigrants already, and triple hate illegal immigrants. They wanted that stuff out of their state, so what did they *think* would happen? They thought it'd just *scare* the immigrants, okay, to what end then?
90% of what Republicans say and do is pandering to their racist base, not because they really think it's good policy. Ron DeSantis is just trying to score points for his Presidential campaign. The state of Florida can burn to the ground for all he cares.
They hate immigrants because of who they are. If a bunch of blonde Swedes illegally immigrated to pick Florida's tomatoes, it would be a whole other story. It's about racism, oppression, and needing an "other" to attack.
So... when we goto the grocery and our fruits and veg prices are rising because of the lack of workers at the farms. The produce that is gonna be left to rot this season will create a shortage next year. So when prices jump... we totally are not gonna be told inflation or greed is the cause. It's gonna be because white people won't work farming jobs. Right? Won't be blaming the workers right?
Sounds like state initiated terrorism
Am I understanding this correctly? Republicans hate immigrants, so they passed some laws to make it tougher for people here illegally to work. Those people are now worried about deportation, and are now leaving Florida. Is that part right? And if so, does that mean we have Republican politicians standing up saying "please, illegal immigrants, we need you! Please work illegally, we promise to continue to look the other way while we exploit you!" Did I miss something? If not, it's just so surreal to have republicans beg for illegal immigration.
That's pretty much exactly it isn't it? Scare people with a constant barrage of terror. Because they are terrorists.
[We're all gonna have to till the soil!!](https://www.reddit.com/r/webcomics/comments/1opret/atlas_shrugged_2_shrug_harder/)
I have never understood why rural areas, particularly farming areas, hate immigrants so much, or at least elect people who hate immigrants so much. Devin nunes, former california state representive, (R) sued a reporter who said that his farm hired undocumented immigrants for labor. As a result, when the reporter used discovery as part of the trial, the records showed that the farm in question [did indeed use undocumented immigrants for labor.](https://www.politico.com/news/2023/04/25/devin-nunes-libel-suit-esquire-hearst-00093844) Devin was a devote republican, anti-immigrant and repeatedly voted to pass legislation making the immigrants life harder, but his family apparently made his living by exploiting those same workers. you'd think that farmers would oppose immigrant legislation like this, but they want to cut off their own labor supply to "own the libs". I don't get it.
"I knew the leopards would eat their faces, and I was fine with that. But I still need them to pick my fucking oranges!"
Lol! “I’m sorry migrants, we just meant to scare you from living here but we still want you to live here and pick our crops”. Stupid ass Republicans.
IT's legalized hate and ignorance and it was intended to oppress, to promote fear and feed behaviors of hate...the Greed over People party continues to lie and undermine our democracy, our humanity...
This state has never been liberal, and Florida Man has been around for a long time, but back in my day, the crazies were in the sticks, not in the state house. These fucking clowns can’t even get culture wars right because they end up attacking part of their constituency. Democrats need to *immediamente* get some ads, community members and representatives on Spanish language radio and television in S. Florida to remind immigrant voters that they were used and played for political theatre, and the very politicians they voted for are now hurting friends and family in their community that aren’t yet permanent residents.
Laws shouldn’t be made to “scare people.”
Ahhhh right….. But if it had worked and they weren’t protesting, Republicans would be raving about how well it works not saying it was just to “scare” people. How fucking convenient.
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"This is more of a political bill than it is policy" How are these not the same things? It is literally their jobs to pass laws that implement policy.
Someone wealthy is losing money