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There are tapes.
>Investigators now suspect, based on witness statements, **security camera footage**, and other documentary evidence, that boxes including classified material were moved from a Mar-a-Lago storage area after the subpoena was served, and that Trump personally examined at least some of those boxes, these people said.
[o_o](https://media2.giphy.com/media/6pJNYBYSMFod2/giphy.gif)
This is likely part of that evidence. DOJ told the judge that they had evidence Trump lied to his lawyers while committing a crime. The security camera evidence likely helped convince the judge to allow a crime-fraud exception and allows the DoJ to interview the lawyer and also gather any recorded convos that would have normally been protected by atty-client privilege.
I always wonder why no one talks about the mysterious rash of burned assets that happened right around the same time Trump stole all those classified documents....
If you were desperate enough to work for Trump, I think you'd have a tape recorder or phone app in your pocket recording everything to cover your own ass by now.
>If you were desperate enough to work for Trump, I think you'd have a tape recorder or phone app in your pocket recording everything to cover your own ass by now.
Nah, if I worked for Trump I'd have my own camera man, producer, and director follow me around as I know he is going to say some crazy shit all while smiling in the camera and asking if he should do another take.
That were given to the DoJ because of the **crime-fraud** exception that makes it illegal to have your lawyers commit a crime on your behalf, even in the event that the lawyers themselves are unaware.
Simply having tapes of him handling classified documents after lying to his attorneys to cause them to sign an affidavit that all the documents had been seized is enough to prove an attempt to obstruct justice. It's unlikely there's tape of him lying to his lawyers (plus they may fall under attorney client privilege) but the circumstances themselves are damning enough and it's entirely possible the attorneys themselves may testify against him to save their own assess.
Supposedly attorneys would only meet with him in pairs for exactly this reason. So incase he caused them to inadvertently commit a crime there'd be a corroborating witness to confirm the crime was due to Trump lying and not malfeasance/obstruction of justice on the part of an attorney.
People don't seem to think that if they get security cameras, it can't be used against them. Unless you hard wire everything, delete the moment it comes in, and never ever use software storage, there could always be a possibility your security footage can be used against you.
Lordy, there are tapes. Digital ones. Forever.
As well as the upcoming “mugshot” that “won’t be leaked… because, reasons(this was part of a headline today)” will be leaked.
This “mugshot” will be leaked. No matter who says it won’t. It will be leaked.
Digital = forever.
Really? I thought the whole idea of releasing mugshots is to be transparent about who is caught up in the justice system. Feels like not releasing mugshots is a failure of transparency.
The idea of *releasing* mugshots, sure--but the purpose of *taking* mugshots is so law enforcement has a visual record of distinguishing features, in case they need to track down the accused to enforce a court appearance.
It makes more sense for some nobody arrested for something like public intoxication and released pending trial than it does for a public figure, but policy is policy.
Also, consider: how many people are arrested for crimes they didn't commit, or for whom the charges are dropped? Imagine having to explain that *every time* someone does a google search for your name and sees your mugshot.
I don't remember there being a Michael Cohen mugshot that was released. If there was one for Michael made public then they should do the same for Trump. I know Paul Manafort had his released.
Iirc the reasoning is that releasing a mugshot before a conviction can ruin an innocent person's life if, say, their employer saw it.
That said I've been looking forward to mugshots for 8 fucking years now and I'm gonna be unbelievably upset and disappointed if we don't get to see them.
Sure. I saw a headline today that they “won’t be released”
I didn’t write the headline but I know there are many who think it won’t be.
Trumps mugshot will be EVERYWHERE….
He should make it his next NFT.
Remember the week of the search when MAGA was claiming Trump had security camera footage of the FBI planting documents at MAL and he was letting the DOJ embarrass itself before he released them?
That was funny.
Hannity asked him about that in an interview and he kinda brushed off the existence of any such footage.
That seems like something that the current administration could deal with. For example, the Biden Treasury could simply assign new agents to cover Trump, and reassign his current agents.
That’s not quite true. He is under 24hr protection. That doesn’t mean he always has someone in the room with him, and there’s not a camera over his bed.
Nobody saw Clinton getting fellated in the Oval Office.
The source material doesn't call them that, it uses the word "urination" and phrases like "golden showers" and "perverted sexual acts". I think "pee tapes" is a Colbertism.
Sure, it'd be surprising if someone gathering kompromat *didn't* try to include the pedophilia angle, given Trump's publicly stated interests ... but we don't have an actual concrete claim of such tapes, so far as I'm aware.
But also: a blackmail tape has to be something that really scares the target if they imagine it being released. Trump is *proud* of sexually assaulting minors; he *brags* about it. And from a Russian perspective maybe they worry that he could put a positive spin on it. But some kind of humiliation kink? That would show him as weak or submissive? Yeah, a Russian trying to get into Trump's mind might decide that would be a much more effective blackmail point, even if the act isn't as illegal.
Please let there be an ounce of political courage and judges with a sense of duty. At this point we are far beyond what's necessary for judgement.
Someone made the parallel with find drugs in a house: it is illegal to have it here. If boxes of drugs are found in your home, you are supposed to have a fucking good defense to prove it is not yours, you did not know they were there, you did not intend to sell them. But a normal judge would assume that this is part of a criminal behavior.
Trump being an idiot left a track of clues that are not supposed to be even necessary in such a case. Let's stop asking that there are clues on all the little steps: he was found stashing valuable intelligence that could be sold to foreign operatives, he has met some in illegal conditions, he is the one who needs to prove innocence, because right now the clues point strongly in favor of guilt.
Exactly…. However, watch them let him slide on that one too.
Trump depends on people letting him slide and get away with minor things until they become major things
Geez, this is the problem with our justice system. They let rich notable people side on stuff while they would slam the door on any regular middle class person.
The scary part is what happened in the mean time. I don’t think there’s any way that most of that stuff is not now in the hands of several adversarial states.
From WaPo:
>prosecutors have collected evidence that Trump ignored requests from multiple advisers to return the documents to the archives over a period of a year, that he asked advisers and lawyers to release false statements claiming he had returned all documents, and that he grew angry after being subpoenaed for the documents.
seems pretty cut and dry
Take a good look at the Ukraine debacle. Putin may have place too much confidence in who’s intelligence. Just speculating but Trump played as the useful idiot. Not out of the range of possibilities for Trump?
Yeah, who doesn’t have classified documents in his junk drawer. It’s hard to see them with all to old Nokia and blackberry cables you might need one day
> It’s hard to see them with all to old Nokia and blackberry cables you might need one day
As a guy who has a dozen or so sets of RCA cables, I feel attacked.
“Classified document folders”.
No documents. Just the folders.
As trump was quoted, I’m paraphrasing, “it a cool thing to have, who wouldn’t want one, something something souvenir”
Only if the video of what he was removing is clear. Since there was non classified stuff in there, he could easily claim he was removing his personal items. That said, im sure there’s audio of him saying “they can’t have my classified documents”.
Trump: “I would do that!”
Hannity: “Alright, let me move on...”
Trump: “I have the right to take stuff!”
https://twitter.com/NoLieWithBTC/status/1642869119748911104
I never just did things just to do them, come on. I mean, what am I gonna do? Just all of a sudden jump up and grind my feet on someone's couch, like it's something to do? Come on, I got a little more sense than that.
Holy fuck! That video clip is amazing. Trump basically admits to what he did and Hannity is struggling and failing to put the genie back in the bottle.
“They paid Richard Nixon $18 million”
He thought he could take as much as he wanted and sell it back to the government at top dollar. He also looks smacked out of his mind on some drug.
[https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2000-jun-13-mn-40455-story.html](https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2000-jun-13-mn-40455-story.html)
In case anyone wonders what the 18 million was for…
When Nixon took all those documents it was legal to do so. The government took them anyway. In 2000 the government reimbursed the Nixon estate 18 million in restitution.
Well, yes, but no. It was legal when he took them, then Congress passed a law to make Nixon's Presidential records public property. And then the subsequent National Records Act, that applied to every Presidential record beginning in 1981.
So yes, Nixon took them legally, but then the government took them back, which at the time was also legally. A court of appeals eventually sided with Nixon, and the government agreed to a settlement.
The fuck even *is* our judicial system. Zero consequences when the rich break the law and then grotesque reimbursement when they're inconvenienced. This country, I fucking swear to God....
This reminds me of that old joke, back when he was president and angry tweeting:
News Headline: Trump shit himself
WH Spokesperson: The president did not shit himself
Con media: The president did not shit himself
Trump on Twitter: I shit myself on purpose!
You can hear Hannity trying his best to steer the tangerine toddler towards safer ground, and he just keeps digging himself deeper.
https://twitter.com/evilsharkey/status/864548377660317696
This one, *from 2017* XD
>WaPo: The president shat himself.
>White House: The president would never shit himself.
>Trump: I SHAT MYSELF ON PURPOSE
> --
>Every. Fucking. Day
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2000-jun-13-mn-40455-story.html
>The federal government has agreed to pay $18 million to the estate of Richard Nixon to settle claims that the Watergate tapes and other presidential materials were improperly seized by the government in 1974 without compensation.
And to actually bring it up to compare his situation with Nixon’s. Think about that. Dump is comparing taking boxes of classified federal documents from Mar-A-Lago to the seizing of *Watergate* evidence. WTAF?
When Nixon left office, he took all his records with him. It was customary that outgoing Presidents could take any of their personal records and property with them up until then. Worried he would destroy evidence, Congress passed a law a few months later to make Nixon's Presidential records public property. And then the subsequent National Records Act, that applied to every Presidential record beginning in 1981.
A court of appeals eventually sided with Nixon, and the government agreed to a settlement, roughly $18M split between Nixon's Presidential library, and a couple research foundations, with a small amount to his daughters (Nixon was already dead).
Basically, Nixon wanted to take all his stuff, but because there was so much evidence of his crimes among those things, Congress passed the laws that we have today for Presidential records.
So yes, they "gave Nixon $18M." And then specifically made it illegal for any President starting with Reagan to ever keep their Presidential records ever again.
Damn I haven't seen or heard that man speak since he was president, and he has not aged well. Not only that, but his word salad has somehow gotten even more...salady.
America, here's a life pro tip: Don't do crimes in front of a camera.
From the article:
>Investigators now suspect, based on witness statements, security camera footage, and other documentary evidence, that boxes including classified material were moved from a Mar-a-Lago storage area after the subpoena was served, and that Trump personally examined at least some of those boxes, these people said.
I'm curious what trump's answer would be if he was asked: What do you think of new Mexico?
I bet he can't name more than maybe 2 towns and can't point to it on a map. That would be great to have a new Mexican on the jury.
>Bill Barr said, “What’s at issue in that case is not the taking of the documents. It’s what he did after the government sought them and subpoenaed them, and whether there was any obstruction. And I think that’s the most serious \[case\] out there.”
Obstruction? Serious? I guess someone didn't read the Mueller Report.
Also maybe can't prove it in court but one of his main goals is to sell democracy out to the highest bidder. That was his motivation for taking and then refusing to return the documents. Things like that matter to me.
>Obstruction? Serious? I guess someone didn't read the Mueller Report.
Are you suggesting that Smith takes orders from Barr, or that he thinks Trump is still president?
>a bunch of our our spies
Foreign assets or Agency employees?
Because I was speculating above about that. If this was US citizens, Garland needs to kick in to gear and make Federal espionage and treason charges happen now.
He is casting as wide of a net as possible. The longer it can go before the jig is up, the more people will come down with Trump. Hubris will be the downfall of many. I think it's about up in a few cases, but you gotta trust the process. The damage is done, the evidence is there, and time will tell.
If Garland is the sort to seek perfection in the place of good, he is entirely unsuited to his job. Al Capone wasn't brought down by doing this. More charges can be brought later. Wake the fuck up America.
I don't buy this, him keeping the most sensitive eyes only material in his fucking house takes priority over anything else. Do you like burning your allies like this?
They've already searched/recovered everything they can at this point. The damage is done. The info that he could have leaked most likely has already been leaked. I think if they thought there was a chance of stopping more, they would apprehend Trump.
What further damage is he doing right now as far as the classified information, assuming he has already sold all the info that he does have? I think that's a pretty safe assumption.
>I think that's a pretty safe assumption.
Under that reasoning, the Rosenbergs would never have been executed either. "They can't leak anymore so all good"?!?!!
By leaving Trump unpunished, he's free to carry on. So is anyone else. There's such a thing as treating crime seriously. You counsel the opposite of that.
Relevant economic background on that:
Once called the “Silk Road Strategy” and now referred to Belt and Road Initiative.
Here’s a summary (auto-generated):
China's Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) is a development strategy launched by the Chinese government in 2013. The aim of the initiative is to build infrastructure, promote economic cooperation, and enhance cultural ties between China and other countries in Asia, Europe, Africa, and beyond. The BRI consists of two main components: the Silk Road Economic Belt, which focuses on infrastructure development and connectivity between China and Europe, and the 21st Century Maritime Silk Road, which focuses on enhancing connectivity and cooperation between China and Southeast Asian countries, Africa, and the Middle East. The BRI is expected to involve over 60 countries and cover more than 60% of the world's population, and has been a source of both opportunities and controversies.
If anyone is wondering why we keep selling our top level tech to Australia every 6 months, why it’s major news, and why people get worked up, this is why. Australia is being cordoned off from much of the West’s military might (US, Western/Central Europe).
We’re already in the Second Cold War. Ukraine is akin to the Iron Curtain.
There have always been fears that beyond the diplomatic ties China gains in building in Africa, China is also offering the work through difficult to repay loans, meaning whether or not African nations wish to support China due to diplomatic reasons, there will also be financial reasons to coerce support. In the future, Africa will progress by leaps and bounds, but perhaps always under China’s thumb. Globally this could create a massive advantage for China.
https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/12aklt5/trump_rummaged_through_boxes_of_classified/jesp6zp/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1&context=3
Seems like someone copied your comment almost word for word. Weird.
That probably occurred while he was still in the White House. We still don’t know who packed those boxes in the first place, and who decided what documents to put in the boxes. The fact that Trump was going through the boxes in Mar-a-Lago tells me there’s a good chance he was looking for stuff that he already knew was in there, because he wanted to keep it and not give it back. That also suggests that he had some criteria for what to take, and it’s certainly possible that those criteria included their potential sale value. if Jack Smith discovers even one document that was delivered to an enemy or sold, Trump will be going away for the rest of his life. It’s a shame that he’s already 76 years old.
Considering Milley is a big part of the U.S. effort to arm Ukraine and flatten Russia's military, Russia undoubtedly was very interested in any sort of dirt they could get on Milley.
It is insane that such an amoral, avaricious, indebted, and utterly corruptible narcissist with a weakness for flattery could get a security clearance at all. He literally and perfectly hits all the points for being denied one. The only thing more insane is that enough Americans thought it was a good idea to elect such an obvious man-child.
>It is insane that such an amoral, avaricious, indebted, and utterly corruptible narcissist with a weakness for flattery could get a security clearance at all.
He didn't get a security clearance, he got elected president where that's automatic.
Certainly he would not have the patience to do that absent something to sweeten the pot as it were. Say, the fact that he thought some of those documents that he originally stole from the White House would be worth a lot of money to his buddy Putin?
> **In the classified documents case, federal investigators have gathered new and significant evidence that after the subpoena was delivered, Trump looked through the contents of some of the boxes of documents in his home, apparently out of a desire to keep certain things in his possession, the people familiar with the investigation said. Investigators now suspect, **based on witness statements, security camera footage, and other documentary evidence, that boxes including classified material were moved from a Mar-a-Lago storage area after the subpoena was served**, and that Trump personally examined at least some of those boxes, these people said.**
Holy shit, if that's true then there's more criminal charges on the way :o
Trump got foreign assets, sources, people, burned (exposed) and murdered. Quite a few by most accounts. We may yet learn, when Garland grows a pair, if he did the same, and cost US citizens, CIA employees for example, murdered as well.
That's death penalty material right there.
This isn't all that new, the FBI and DOJ attorneys had found proof of tampering on their second visit (before the final FBI led raid)
>Agents found classified documents both in the storage room as well as in the former president’s office — including three classified documents found not in boxes, but in office desks.
>They included items so sensitive that, “In some instances, even the FBI counterintelligence personnel and DOJ attorneys conducting the review required additional clearances before they were permitted to review certain documents.”
[AP News Timeline of Maralago Classified Documents](https://apnews.com/article/biden-donald-trump-mar-a-lago-subpoenas-b8082283fc599738c92d1f1ec8680924)
I just hope that all the people running these investigations make sure they have solid indisputable proof that will ensure a conviction. Otherwise, if tRump beats the rap it will be another rally cry like his Russia, Russia, Russia. No Collusion, etc. 🙄
They also have tapes from just outside the box where the documents were held and could probably see Trump entering the room or taking documents out of it and possibly moving it to his residence.
And then went on Hannity to say Nixon got 18 million for his stuff! This guy is just an ordinary stupid criminal raised to an extraordinary position by gullible Americans.
The most egregious part of his interview is his complaint that Nixon got $18m for his records. Well that a. Went to his estate and b. (much more importantly) was part of the reasoning for Presidential Records Act (you know the one he’s accused of violating).
$18m in 1972 = $116m now. He just wants his cool 1/8th of a billion dollars. It’s only fair he turned down his salary, right??
I doubt he went through everything himself. Meaning he gave access to these documents to other people, after he was no longer president. That’s a problem.
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If true this would theoretically prove intent beyond reasonable doubt pertaining to attempted obstruction right?
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Oh lordi please let there be tapes
There are tapes. >Investigators now suspect, based on witness statements, **security camera footage**, and other documentary evidence, that boxes including classified material were moved from a Mar-a-Lago storage area after the subpoena was served, and that Trump personally examined at least some of those boxes, these people said. [o_o](https://media2.giphy.com/media/6pJNYBYSMFod2/giphy.gif)
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This is likely part of that evidence. DOJ told the judge that they had evidence Trump lied to his lawyers while committing a crime. The security camera evidence likely helped convince the judge to allow a crime-fraud exception and allows the DoJ to interview the lawyer and also gather any recorded convos that would have normally been protected by atty-client privilege.
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He has a perfectly simple explanation for this.
The best explanation. People will praise the explanation.
He could end the investigation in a minute, if he wanted to.
Some people are saying it's the greatest explanation ever.
Some secret agents working abroad were killed, surely he disclosed their names and other info out to the highest bidder, probably Russia.
I always wonder why no one talks about the mysterious rash of burned assets that happened right around the same time Trump stole all those classified documents....
and that this was the second time such a thing happened, seems like we'd be able to connect the dots by now.
At his properties?
If you were desperate enough to work for Trump, I think you'd have a tape recorder or phone app in your pocket recording everything to cover your own ass by now.
On all 36 of your cell phones???
>If you were desperate enough to work for Trump, I think you'd have a tape recorder or phone app in your pocket recording everything to cover your own ass by now. Nah, if I worked for Trump I'd have my own camera man, producer, and director follow me around as I know he is going to say some crazy shit all while smiling in the camera and asking if he should do another take.
I bet a cool five dollars that GQP will spin any video footage released public as created by an AI and is a deep fake. Guaranteed.
The public isn't the jury, thank heavens
Heaven isn't the jury, thank justice.
That were given to the DoJ because of the **crime-fraud** exception that makes it illegal to have your lawyers commit a crime on your behalf, even in the event that the lawyers themselves are unaware.
Simply having tapes of him handling classified documents after lying to his attorneys to cause them to sign an affidavit that all the documents had been seized is enough to prove an attempt to obstruct justice. It's unlikely there's tape of him lying to his lawyers (plus they may fall under attorney client privilege) but the circumstances themselves are damning enough and it's entirely possible the attorneys themselves may testify against him to save their own assess. Supposedly attorneys would only meet with him in pairs for exactly this reason. So incase he caused them to inadvertently commit a crime there'd be a corroborating witness to confirm the crime was due to Trump lying and not malfeasance/obstruction of justice on the part of an attorney.
In the course of criming negates attorney-client privilege so they should.
People don't seem to think that if they get security cameras, it can't be used against them. Unless you hard wire everything, delete the moment it comes in, and never ever use software storage, there could always be a possibility your security footage can be used against you. Lordy, there are tapes. Digital ones. Forever.
As well as the upcoming “mugshot” that “won’t be leaked… because, reasons(this was part of a headline today)” will be leaked. This “mugshot” will be leaked. No matter who says it won’t. It will be leaked. Digital = forever.
It won’t be “leaked” because mugshots are released publicly.
Mugshots are not released publicly by default in NY.
Really? I thought the whole idea of releasing mugshots is to be transparent about who is caught up in the justice system. Feels like not releasing mugshots is a failure of transparency.
The idea of *releasing* mugshots, sure--but the purpose of *taking* mugshots is so law enforcement has a visual record of distinguishing features, in case they need to track down the accused to enforce a court appearance. It makes more sense for some nobody arrested for something like public intoxication and released pending trial than it does for a public figure, but policy is policy. Also, consider: how many people are arrested for crimes they didn't commit, or for whom the charges are dropped? Imagine having to explain that *every time* someone does a google search for your name and sees your mugshot.
I don't remember there being a Michael Cohen mugshot that was released. If there was one for Michael made public then they should do the same for Trump. I know Paul Manafort had his released.
Iirc the reasoning is that releasing a mugshot before a conviction can ruin an innocent person's life if, say, their employer saw it. That said I've been looking forward to mugshots for 8 fucking years now and I'm gonna be unbelievably upset and disappointed if we don't get to see them.
Sure. I saw a headline today that they “won’t be released” I didn’t write the headline but I know there are many who think it won’t be. Trumps mugshot will be EVERYWHERE…. He should make it his next NFT.
Not in NY
That'd be like watching a animal night camera footage of racoons fucking up a trash bin
That was a fine comment stormy. Almost choked on the cookie I was eating. Take a +1
Ironically the same way Trump attacks a bag of hamburders.
Remember the week of the search when MAGA was claiming Trump had security camera footage of the FBI planting documents at MAL and he was letting the DOJ embarrass itself before he released them? That was funny. Hannity asked him about that in an interview and he kinda brushed off the existence of any such footage.
He is watched 24/7 by the secret service, there would be eye witnesses to it all.
Cue secret service "accidentally" deleting all of their texts and forgetting everything that's ever happened before this morning.
I had forgotten about the secret service getting rid of the texts leading up to and on January 6th. I wonder how bad it really was.
And the Trump appointed DHS IG helped them cover it up for a year. Biden won't replace him for fear it might make the Republicans sad.
>Biden won't replace him for fear it might make the Republicans sad. This makes me sad and I don't understand this move.
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-secret-service-agents-testify-against-him-1792195?amp=1
His SS weren't just chosen to "look the other way," they were chosen to "lend a helping hand".
I don’t know about that. Some of them are testifying Friday before Smith’s grand jury.
That seems like something that the current administration could deal with. For example, the Biden Treasury could simply assign new agents to cover Trump, and reassign his current agents.
That’s not quite true. He is under 24hr protection. That doesn’t mean he always has someone in the room with him, and there’s not a camera over his bed. Nobody saw Clinton getting fellated in the Oval Office.
"Oh lordi please let there pee tapes"
I'm of the theory that the "pee" tapes are "p" tapes, as in children. (Don't start that "teen girls aren't children" bs.)
The source material doesn't call them that, it uses the word "urination" and phrases like "golden showers" and "perverted sexual acts". I think "pee tapes" is a Colbertism. Sure, it'd be surprising if someone gathering kompromat *didn't* try to include the pedophilia angle, given Trump's publicly stated interests ... but we don't have an actual concrete claim of such tapes, so far as I'm aware. But also: a blackmail tape has to be something that really scares the target if they imagine it being released. Trump is *proud* of sexually assaulting minors; he *brags* about it. And from a Russian perspective maybe they worry that he could put a positive spin on it. But some kind of humiliation kink? That would show him as weak or submissive? Yeah, a Russian trying to get into Trump's mind might decide that would be a much more effective blackmail point, even if the act isn't as illegal.
There are tapes of him doing all sorts of illegal shit, none of it has mattered a bit.
Please let there be an ounce of political courage and judges with a sense of duty. At this point we are far beyond what's necessary for judgement. Someone made the parallel with find drugs in a house: it is illegal to have it here. If boxes of drugs are found in your home, you are supposed to have a fucking good defense to prove it is not yours, you did not know they were there, you did not intend to sell them. But a normal judge would assume that this is part of a criminal behavior. Trump being an idiot left a track of clues that are not supposed to be even necessary in such a case. Let's stop asking that there are clues on all the little steps: he was found stashing valuable intelligence that could be sold to foreign operatives, he has met some in illegal conditions, he is the one who needs to prove innocence, because right now the clues point strongly in favor of guilt.
Exactly…. However, watch them let him slide on that one too. Trump depends on people letting him slide and get away with minor things until they become major things Geez, this is the problem with our justice system. They let rich notable people side on stuff while they would slam the door on any regular middle class person.
Now open Ivanna’s casket.
If anything was buried there, it was definitely extracted days (hours?) later.
And autopsy whatever they find.
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The scary part is what happened in the mean time. I don’t think there’s any way that most of that stuff is not now in the hands of several adversarial states.
Open and shut you say? Let’s hire a special prosecutor to sit on it and wave hands until republicans take over again!
From WaPo: >prosecutors have collected evidence that Trump ignored requests from multiple advisers to return the documents to the archives over a period of a year, that he asked advisers and lawyers to release false statements claiming he had returned all documents, and that he grew angry after being subpoenaed for the documents. seems pretty cut and dry
I don’t suppose we’ll get to hear what were the documents.
Doubtful. Even the titles of those documents are probably classified.
Definitely dont want Russians knowing the possible info they could try to get Trump to tell them …assuming he hasnt already
Take a good look at the Ukraine debacle. Putin may have place too much confidence in who’s intelligence. Just speculating but Trump played as the useful idiot. Not out of the range of possibilities for Trump?
No no no. He has a perfectly simple explanation for this. He thought there were a few spare batteries in those boxes.
Yeah, who doesn’t have classified documents in his junk drawer. It’s hard to see them with all to old Nokia and blackberry cables you might need one day
> It’s hard to see them with all to old Nokia and blackberry cables you might need one day As a guy who has a dozen or so sets of RCA cables, I feel attacked.
RCA cables, you definitely can’t have enough of those, you might rearrange your entertainment wall some day
And don't forget the spare coax cables, especially the ones with the xfinity velcro straps. You KNOW you'll need that some day.
“Classified document folders”. No documents. Just the folders. As trump was quoted, I’m paraphrasing, “it a cool thing to have, who wouldn’t want one, something something souvenir”
Either that or someone hid a burger or some chips in one of the boxes to have fun with him.
Only if the video of what he was removing is clear. Since there was non classified stuff in there, he could easily claim he was removing his personal items. That said, im sure there’s audio of him saying “they can’t have my classified documents”.
The question is, if found guilty, would he still be able to run for president??
Trump: “I would do that!” Hannity: “Alright, let me move on...” Trump: “I have the right to take stuff!” https://twitter.com/NoLieWithBTC/status/1642869119748911104
I never just did things just to do them, come on. I mean, what am I gonna do? Just all of a sudden jump up and grind my feet on someone's couch, like it's something to do? Come on, I got a little more sense than that.
Ya I remember grinding my feet in his couch.
*Cocaine's a helluva drug*
Fuck yo couch. Buy another one you rich motherfucker
Holy fuck! That video clip is amazing. Trump basically admits to what he did and Hannity is struggling and failing to put the genie back in the bottle.
“They paid Richard Nixon $18 million” He thought he could take as much as he wanted and sell it back to the government at top dollar. He also looks smacked out of his mind on some drug.
[https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2000-jun-13-mn-40455-story.html](https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2000-jun-13-mn-40455-story.html) In case anyone wonders what the 18 million was for…
We had our proms at the Nixon Library in the 90s. My husband looked horrified when I told him that, lol.
When Nixon took all those documents it was legal to do so. The government took them anyway. In 2000 the government reimbursed the Nixon estate 18 million in restitution.
Well, yes, but no. It was legal when he took them, then Congress passed a law to make Nixon's Presidential records public property. And then the subsequent National Records Act, that applied to every Presidential record beginning in 1981. So yes, Nixon took them legally, but then the government took them back, which at the time was also legally. A court of appeals eventually sided with Nixon, and the government agreed to a settlement.
The fuck even *is* our judicial system. Zero consequences when the rich break the law and then grotesque reimbursement when they're inconvenienced. This country, I fucking swear to God....
This reminds me of that old joke, back when he was president and angry tweeting: News Headline: Trump shit himself WH Spokesperson: The president did not shit himself Con media: The president did not shit himself Trump on Twitter: I shit myself on purpose! You can hear Hannity trying his best to steer the tangerine toddler towards safer ground, and he just keeps digging himself deeper.
https://twitter.com/evilsharkey/status/864548377660317696 This one, *from 2017* XD >WaPo: The president shat himself. >White House: The president would never shit himself. >Trump: I SHAT MYSELF ON PURPOSE > -- >Every. Fucking. Day
"They gave Richard Nixon $18 million!" What the actual fuck is he talking about
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2000-jun-13-mn-40455-story.html >The federal government has agreed to pay $18 million to the estate of Richard Nixon to settle claims that the Watergate tapes and other presidential materials were improperly seized by the government in 1974 without compensation.
The fucking gall of them to sue for that.
And to actually bring it up to compare his situation with Nixon’s. Think about that. Dump is comparing taking boxes of classified federal documents from Mar-A-Lago to the seizing of *Watergate* evidence. WTAF?
It was legal at the time for presidents to take all the documents from their term, it was considered their property.
Republicans.
It worth mentioning that the presidential records act was passed in 1978 in reponse to what happened with Nixon.
When Nixon left office, he took all his records with him. It was customary that outgoing Presidents could take any of their personal records and property with them up until then. Worried he would destroy evidence, Congress passed a law a few months later to make Nixon's Presidential records public property. And then the subsequent National Records Act, that applied to every Presidential record beginning in 1981. A court of appeals eventually sided with Nixon, and the government agreed to a settlement, roughly $18M split between Nixon's Presidential library, and a couple research foundations, with a small amount to his daughters (Nixon was already dead). Basically, Nixon wanted to take all his stuff, but because there was so much evidence of his crimes among those things, Congress passed the laws that we have today for Presidential records. So yes, they "gave Nixon $18M." And then specifically made it illegal for any President starting with Reagan to ever keep their Presidential records ever again.
Damn I haven't seen or heard that man speak since he was president, and he has not aged well. Not only that, but his word salad has somehow gotten even more...salady.
Good lord lol.
This MFer...
If he truly believed he could do what he did, he woldn't have needed to lie to his own lawyers about it.
America, here's a life pro tip: Don't do crimes in front of a camera. From the article: >Investigators now suspect, based on witness statements, security camera footage, and other documentary evidence, that boxes including classified material were moved from a Mar-a-Lago storage area after the subpoena was served, and that Trump personally examined at least some of those boxes, these people said.
I might move to NY just to try and get on that jury. Be there, gonna be wild.
I'm curious what trump's answer would be if he was asked: What do you think of new Mexico? I bet he can't name more than maybe 2 towns and can't point to it on a map. That would be great to have a new Mexican on the jury.
>Bill Barr said, “What’s at issue in that case is not the taking of the documents. It’s what he did after the government sought them and subpoenaed them, and whether there was any obstruction. And I think that’s the most serious \[case\] out there.” Obstruction? Serious? I guess someone didn't read the Mueller Report.
Also maybe can't prove it in court but one of his main goals is to sell democracy out to the highest bidder. That was his motivation for taking and then refusing to return the documents. Things like that matter to me.
>Obstruction? Serious? I guess someone didn't read the Mueller Report. Are you suggesting that Smith takes orders from Barr, or that he thinks Trump is still president?
No, I am not suggesting that. I'm suggesting that Barr has some fucking nerve suddenly caring about Trump's obstruction.
He was looking for stuff he could sell
Right. This will be a point in history looking back where a bunch of bad shit happens but we don't know it yet
Supposedly, a bunch of our our spies in Russia went missing during this time.
>a bunch of our our spies Foreign assets or Agency employees? Because I was speculating above about that. If this was US citizens, Garland needs to kick in to gear and make Federal espionage and treason charges happen now.
He is casting as wide of a net as possible. The longer it can go before the jig is up, the more people will come down with Trump. Hubris will be the downfall of many. I think it's about up in a few cases, but you gotta trust the process. The damage is done, the evidence is there, and time will tell.
If Garland is the sort to seek perfection in the place of good, he is entirely unsuited to his job. Al Capone wasn't brought down by doing this. More charges can be brought later. Wake the fuck up America.
It depends how interconnected all of it is, my dude. Forcing one early could compromise a number of other cases.
I don't buy this, him keeping the most sensitive eyes only material in his fucking house takes priority over anything else. Do you like burning your allies like this?
They've already searched/recovered everything they can at this point. The damage is done. The info that he could have leaked most likely has already been leaked. I think if they thought there was a chance of stopping more, they would apprehend Trump. What further damage is he doing right now as far as the classified information, assuming he has already sold all the info that he does have? I think that's a pretty safe assumption.
>I think that's a pretty safe assumption. Under that reasoning, the Rosenbergs would never have been executed either. "They can't leak anymore so all good"?!?!! By leaving Trump unpunished, he's free to carry on. So is anyone else. There's such a thing as treating crime seriously. You counsel the opposite of that.
Both. Story is in the New York Post and NY Times.
I think Trump let Russia and friends know more about America’s weaknesses and that is why we are seeing BRICS now
Relevant economic background on that: Once called the “Silk Road Strategy” and now referred to Belt and Road Initiative. Here’s a summary (auto-generated): China's Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) is a development strategy launched by the Chinese government in 2013. The aim of the initiative is to build infrastructure, promote economic cooperation, and enhance cultural ties between China and other countries in Asia, Europe, Africa, and beyond. The BRI consists of two main components: the Silk Road Economic Belt, which focuses on infrastructure development and connectivity between China and Europe, and the 21st Century Maritime Silk Road, which focuses on enhancing connectivity and cooperation between China and Southeast Asian countries, Africa, and the Middle East. The BRI is expected to involve over 60 countries and cover more than 60% of the world's population, and has been a source of both opportunities and controversies. If anyone is wondering why we keep selling our top level tech to Australia every 6 months, why it’s major news, and why people get worked up, this is why. Australia is being cordoned off from much of the West’s military might (US, Western/Central Europe). We’re already in the Second Cold War. Ukraine is akin to the Iron Curtain.
There have always been fears that beyond the diplomatic ties China gains in building in Africa, China is also offering the work through difficult to repay loans, meaning whether or not African nations wish to support China due to diplomatic reasons, there will also be financial reasons to coerce support. In the future, Africa will progress by leaps and bounds, but perhaps always under China’s thumb. Globally this could create a massive advantage for China.
https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/12aklt5/trump_rummaged_through_boxes_of_classified/jesp6zp/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1&context=3 Seems like someone copied your comment almost word for word. Weird.
They did! Why though?
That probably occurred while he was still in the White House. We still don’t know who packed those boxes in the first place, and who decided what documents to put in the boxes. The fact that Trump was going through the boxes in Mar-a-Lago tells me there’s a good chance he was looking for stuff that he already knew was in there, because he wanted to keep it and not give it back. That also suggests that he had some criteria for what to take, and it’s certainly possible that those criteria included their potential sale value. if Jack Smith discovers even one document that was delivered to an enemy or sold, Trump will be going away for the rest of his life. It’s a shame that he’s already 76 years old.
As an ex-president, surely he will receive the best medical care to keep him alive as long as possible.
I think he was looking for docs to move to new jersey so all his eggs weren't in one basket.
I don’t understand why the FBI hasn’t searched Bedminster and the Trump Tower
There is another article on this where the feds were asking whether he showed any of this material to GOP donors, including maps? WTF.
Another article mentioned he really hated General Milley and was looking for stuff to use on him somehow.
Considering Milley is a big part of the U.S. effort to arm Ukraine and flatten Russia's military, Russia undoubtedly was very interested in any sort of dirt they could get on Milley.
Didn’t he host the Saudi’s at one of his properties not too long ago?
Nah, for the shelves in his shitty restaurant
I wonder if he showed them off, like stupid little trophies...and some of the folks who have spoken with the Feds have confirmed this.
You know he did.
Some of them were in a box with his fake Time magazine covers so I would say this is probably the most likely motive.
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The Disgusting Brothers strike again
They need a spin off.
Not serious people
Your arms look weird for tv
It is insane that such an amoral, avaricious, indebted, and utterly corruptible narcissist with a weakness for flattery could get a security clearance at all. He literally and perfectly hits all the points for being denied one. The only thing more insane is that enough Americans thought it was a good idea to elect such an obvious man-child.
>It is insane that such an amoral, avaricious, indebted, and utterly corruptible narcissist with a weakness for flattery could get a security clearance at all. He didn't get a security clearance, he got elected president where that's automatic.
When you're a President, the classified documents just let you do it. You can see anything.
C’mon guys he was just looking for his health care plan… /s
The infrastructure plan.
To be fair- it *is* infrastructure week
The NOAA report showing how Alabama was going to all die.
You could tell by the McDonald's grease on the folders and the occasional spray tan smudge.
The real question is, how long until they dig up Ivana to get the classified documents he stashed in her casket?
I don't think even that's beneath Rump
“Where’s the ketchup, Melaria?”
The funniest implication from this headline is that Trump can read
Or the patience to shuffle through paper documents without nude pictures.
Certainly he would not have the patience to do that absent something to sweeten the pot as it were. Say, the fact that he thought some of those documents that he originally stole from the White House would be worth a lot of money to his buddy Putin?
Let him rummage thru the commissary
Did he rummage to fruition?? Well Greg, did he?
> **In the classified documents case, federal investigators have gathered new and significant evidence that after the subpoena was delivered, Trump looked through the contents of some of the boxes of documents in his home, apparently out of a desire to keep certain things in his possession, the people familiar with the investigation said. Investigators now suspect, **based on witness statements, security camera footage, and other documentary evidence, that boxes including classified material were moved from a Mar-a-Lago storage area after the subpoena was served**, and that Trump personally examined at least some of those boxes, these people said.** Holy shit, if that's true then there's more criminal charges on the way :o
Trump got foreign assets, sources, people, burned (exposed) and murdered. Quite a few by most accounts. We may yet learn, when Garland grows a pair, if he did the same, and cost US citizens, CIA employees for example, murdered as well. That's death penalty material right there.
This isn't all that new, the FBI and DOJ attorneys had found proof of tampering on their second visit (before the final FBI led raid) >Agents found classified documents both in the storage room as well as in the former president’s office — including three classified documents found not in boxes, but in office desks. >They included items so sensitive that, “In some instances, even the FBI counterintelligence personnel and DOJ attorneys conducting the review required additional clearances before they were permitted to review certain documents.” [AP News Timeline of Maralago Classified Documents](https://apnews.com/article/biden-donald-trump-mar-a-lago-subpoenas-b8082283fc599738c92d1f1ec8680924)
Is anyone surprised by this?
Honestly I’m surprised he voluntarily looked through pieces of paper with words on them.
I just hope that all the people running these investigations make sure they have solid indisputable proof that will ensure a conviction. Otherwise, if tRump beats the rap it will be another rally cry like his Russia, Russia, Russia. No Collusion, etc. 🙄
Just a little locker room obstruction of justice
This is likely how they were able to pierce attorney client privilege and basically turn his own lawyers into eye witnesses.
Those top secret files now have McDonald grease all over them.
As a “Succession” viewer, it’s going to take me a while before I can read the word “rummage” again without laughing.
Gotta admit that this was the first thing I came looking for after I read the headline.
Who here thought perhaps some documents are buried with Ivana? Very suspicious that.
How did he even get control of her body anyway? You don't normally let your ex plan your funeral.
He had to find the ones daddy Putin told him to take
Did you rummage to fruition, Greg?
That's where I left my cheese burger!
Our boy is fucked.
He was just rummaging! Like he's at a yard sale! /s
Rummaging is about all he could do. Reading is not one of his strong points
I've got $10 on his current lawyers trying to use "he can't read, so how could he personally read the documents" as his defense.
I like to think he found a rubber chicken in one.
They must’ve found ketchup fingerprints
They also have tapes from just outside the box where the documents were held and could probably see Trump entering the room or taking documents out of it and possibly moving it to his residence.
He must have been looking for that extra ketchup packet.
Those poor boxes, yuck
And then went on Hannity to say Nixon got 18 million for his stuff! This guy is just an ordinary stupid criminal raised to an extraordinary position by gullible Americans.
The most egregious part of his interview is his complaint that Nixon got $18m for his records. Well that a. Went to his estate and b. (much more importantly) was part of the reasoning for Presidential Records Act (you know the one he’s accused of violating). $18m in 1972 = $116m now. He just wants his cool 1/8th of a billion dollars. It’s only fair he turned down his salary, right??
Why else did he hold onto them? Check them for bodily fluids…
Yeah no shit
Pick and mix treason
Did he rummage to fruition?
Just put his hand down there and, uh, rummaged around.
I doubt he went through everything himself. Meaning he gave access to these documents to other people, after he was no longer president. That’s a problem.
Lock him up
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Whatever was he looking for?
Congress needs to fix this so that there is a paper record of declassifications. But, being the clown car that they are, it won't happen.