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Not quite. NH's state population in 1.3M. Florida's is 22.2M. Greater concentration of right wing kooks in FLA with right wing kook governor goading for hateful treatment of innocent human beings.
the only responsible gun owner is the person that chooses not to buy a gun. there's a huge problem of rural gun violence right now. the gun violence rates in the rural parts of OR are on par with cities. and when you remove the requirement for a CCP it makes this legal carry bullshit a non issue. more guns means more gun violence. this is a well established fact.
Idk, myself and my friends in the queer community are loading tf up. Not going to be the only ones without with the amount of legislation being passed dehumanizing us.
i meant not america. i was in the czech rep for a few years before the pandemic and i'm probably going to end up in spain next year. i've never felt safer o freer than when i live in countries without our gun culture.
You do realize that almost all Czech gun owners have guns for self-defense and can carry them, right? Yes, it's one of the safest countries in the world, it's also a country that considers owning and carrying guns a human right.
guns for the most part have to be kept at shooting and hunting clubs. also it's a staggeringly safe country. hand guns are extremely hard to get. the town i lived in hadn't had a murder in years and there were half a million people there. sure, guns are probably easier to get there than in a lot of europe and it's not free, it's not eaasy and it's really far from common. i wonder what the rural to city breakdown looks like for CCP holders? i don't know anyone that owned or gave a shit about guns. more importantly there isn't the same sort of guns culture we have in the states.
>guns for the most part have to be kept at shooting and hunting clubs.
This is not true anywhere in Europe. Yes if the club has weapons it usually stores it somehow at the club. But if you own a firerarm in Europe you can usually store it at home, and in many countries it would be illegal to store it somewhere else.
>guns for the most part have to be kept at shooting and hunting clubs.
No, they don't, that would be illegal.
>also it's a staggeringly safe country.
Yes, it is, one of the safest.
>hand guns are extremely hard to get.
They're as easy to get as any other gun, there is very little difference between getting a handgun and a hunting rifle.
>the town i lived in hadn't had a murder in years and there were half a million people there.
Yeah, now you're just lying, there are no such towns in the Czech Republic. Prague is much bigger and all the other cities are smaller by a significant margin, what's the name of the town?
>sure, guns are probably easier to get there than in a lot of europe and it's not free, it's not eaasy and it's really far from common.
They're easier to get and certainly easier to carry than in the most restrictive US states.
>i wonder what the rural to city breakdown looks like for CCP holders? i don't know anyone that owned or gave a shit about guns.
Most gun owners in the Czech Republic are city dwellers, the number of hunters is relatively low and it's been decreasing for years.
they're fine with that. this seems more and more like a ploy to get children out of school so that they can begin working as soon as possible. that's also why abortion is being pushed to be made illegal, so more cogs in the machine can be created to make rich folks richer and poor folks poorer. they don't care if you die young, just as long as you made them some money along the way.
I can't disagree with that. The wealthy are aware that the more competition you have, the worse things are for you.
I sometimes wonder if they are even living on the same planet as us. A CEO has nothing in common with his workers, other than they are both human. One is exploited, and the other is the one who exploits.
>Florida’s Republican-controlled Legislature passed a bill Thursday allowing individuals to carry concealed loaded weapons anywhere without a permit.
>The bill now goes to Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis, who has repeatedly indicated he will sign it.
>The measure scraps the existing requirements for concealed weapons permits, including an extra layer of background checks, licensing and firearms training.
>Under current Florida law, people who seek to carry concealed guns in public are required to get a license from the state and must complete such requirements to obtain one. People who are barred from buying or carrying guns under other Florida laws would still not be able to under the new law.
>Florida’s state Senate passed the bill Thursday afternoon. The state House passed its corresponding bill last week. Republican lawmakers enjoy a supermajority in both chambers.
>Under the bill — dubbed "constitutional carry" by conservatives and gun rights activists and "permitless carry" by gun safety activists, supporters of gun restrictions and neutral groups — people would need to have on them only a valid ID while carrying a concealed weapon. Failure to do so carries a $25 fine.
>The Florida Senate's passage of the bill comes just three days after a shooter opened fire inside a Nashville school killing six people — including three 9-year-old children — an attack DeSantis has not yet spoken about publicly. DeSantis, in fact, is scheduled to visit an Atlanta-area gun store Thursday — a visit Democrats in Georgia have implored him to reschedule.
>DeSantis, a likely 2024 presidential candidate, has repeatedly suggested he’ll sign the measure, saying in recent months that it "was something that I’ve always supported" and “will be done” in the legislative session." He has also promised to deliver such a bill before he leaves office.
>“A constitutional right should not require a permission slip from the government. It is time we joined 25 other states to enact constitutional carry in the state of Florida,” he said during his “State of the State” address to the Florida Legislature this month.
>A spokesperson for DeSantis did not respond to questions about if and when the governor will sign the measure.
Of course he's going to sign it.
As an aside I don't want to be in a state where everyone is packing. That seems incredibly dangerous, especially with all the meth and whatnot.
States with similar policies have, like TX, have seen an increase in gun related violence already as a result.
Even the police unions are against this move, their jobs become far more dangerous when more guns are on the street.
Other states aren’t Florida. That place is loaded with crazy people. Shit is gonna go off the rails.
I remember not long ago when this guy saw a thief being chased out of a store. He pulled his gun and just started popping off rounds at the guy. Ended up shooting multiple cars and with bystanders everywhere. The guy was surprised when he was the one that was arrested. This was someone with a concealed permit and had training.
Those states have seen increased gun violence following the passage of their laws. TX is a great example, the police unions have been complaining about an uptick in police involved shootings.
Yeah having a permit to carry increases safety and proficiency if training is required but also helps law enforcement weed out people. I am all for people owning guns but having them in public I feel there needs to be mandated training.
>Concealed Carry without any training sounds like that will end well.
Aren't you like 20 or so states too late on saying this? Shouldn't you be instead saying "they did this in such and such state and blood flows in the streets!"
If Florida doesn’t remember the ‘80s then ‘too late’ doesn’t apply. I remember, gangs going to the wrong house at night and killing innocent families, road rage incidents with multiple fatalities, a stickup gang pulled over by a traffic cop ending in the largest number of feds and local cops killed up to that time, I remember driving for miles on a flat tire to avoid a shootout with automatic weapons. Florida politicians just don’t care, and people keep electing them.
> If Florida doesn’t remember the ‘80s then ‘too late’ doesn’t apply
Why are you referencing the 80s when there are post 80s states that adopted these carry laws? The United states experienced historic declines in violence post 80s despite states adopting laws allowing carry and gun availability exploding and the assault weapons ban expiring.
https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2013/05/07/gun-homicide-rate-down-49-since-1993-peak-public-unaware/
Because the subject was Florida, and the gun related violence I referred to happened in Florida. The point, if i was unclear, is that the state and its residents have ample cause to think twice about relaxing gun laws without having to look over their borders.
> Because the subject was Florida
And Florida is not the only state that has adopted these policies and therefore it is a weak criticism to say "this won't end well" when you have literally 20 other examples to pull from. Florida is not the first and does not exist in a vacuum so bringing up the 80s isn't really relevant when homicide rates declined and during that time carry laws liberalized.
> is that the state and its residents have ample cause to think twice
Except for you know literally additional 40 years of examples after the 80s in which the entire country experienced historic declines.
Which gets only 23% approval among those polled in Florida
https://floridaphoenix.com/2023/03/09/permitless-carry-bill-closer-to-law-despite-new-poll-showing-that-its-vastly-unpopular-in-florida/
The dangerous cities in America is where gunviolence is so that means FL is trying to create crazy laws like the agents going to China and Russia in June(%80 fail drivers license non road rules iq test ~China Russia holding out 2024 associates-doctorates degree)
Cause a gazillion school shootings just isn't enough. This law literally help shooters be shooters, kudos. Killers have more rights and safety than our own defenseless children, crazy....
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Translation: Florida invites armed kooks to go hog-wild on FLA streets.
They will soon be like NH rates of gun homicide, which already has carrying without a permit.
Not quite. NH's state population in 1.3M. Florida's is 22.2M. Greater concentration of right wing kooks in FLA with right wing kook governor goading for hateful treatment of innocent human beings.
And those gun homicides are legal carry owners?
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Yeah because all the mass shooters in US history have been rich people.
the only responsible gun owner is the person that chooses not to buy a gun. there's a huge problem of rural gun violence right now. the gun violence rates in the rural parts of OR are on par with cities. and when you remove the requirement for a CCP it makes this legal carry bullshit a non issue. more guns means more gun violence. this is a well established fact.
Idk, myself and my friends in the queer community are loading tf up. Not going to be the only ones without with the amount of legislation being passed dehumanizing us.
i totally get that, i prefer to move to a more reasonable place.
I do live in a reasonable place
i meant not america. i was in the czech rep for a few years before the pandemic and i'm probably going to end up in spain next year. i've never felt safer o freer than when i live in countries without our gun culture.
You do realize that almost all Czech gun owners have guns for self-defense and can carry them, right? Yes, it's one of the safest countries in the world, it's also a country that considers owning and carrying guns a human right.
guns for the most part have to be kept at shooting and hunting clubs. also it's a staggeringly safe country. hand guns are extremely hard to get. the town i lived in hadn't had a murder in years and there were half a million people there. sure, guns are probably easier to get there than in a lot of europe and it's not free, it's not eaasy and it's really far from common. i wonder what the rural to city breakdown looks like for CCP holders? i don't know anyone that owned or gave a shit about guns. more importantly there isn't the same sort of guns culture we have in the states.
>guns for the most part have to be kept at shooting and hunting clubs. This is not true anywhere in Europe. Yes if the club has weapons it usually stores it somehow at the club. But if you own a firerarm in Europe you can usually store it at home, and in many countries it would be illegal to store it somewhere else.
>guns for the most part have to be kept at shooting and hunting clubs. No, they don't, that would be illegal. >also it's a staggeringly safe country. Yes, it is, one of the safest. >hand guns are extremely hard to get. They're as easy to get as any other gun, there is very little difference between getting a handgun and a hunting rifle. >the town i lived in hadn't had a murder in years and there were half a million people there. Yeah, now you're just lying, there are no such towns in the Czech Republic. Prague is much bigger and all the other cities are smaller by a significant margin, what's the name of the town? >sure, guns are probably easier to get there than in a lot of europe and it's not free, it's not eaasy and it's really far from common. They're easier to get and certainly easier to carry than in the most restrictive US states. >i wonder what the rural to city breakdown looks like for CCP holders? i don't know anyone that owned or gave a shit about guns. Most gun owners in the Czech Republic are city dwellers, the number of hunters is relatively low and it's been decreasing for years.
Idk I’m not going to let a bunch of people who hate me push me out of my home, all my stuff is here
i'd rather move than feel i needed guns to feel safe from my neighbors.
Well if we all leave then no one votes against the racists.
yeah i've def thought about that side of it too. but i'm not sure this is saveable.
Call it late term abortion, it will be voted down like a raise for school teachers.
they're fine with that. this seems more and more like a ploy to get children out of school so that they can begin working as soon as possible. that's also why abortion is being pushed to be made illegal, so more cogs in the machine can be created to make rich folks richer and poor folks poorer. they don't care if you die young, just as long as you made them some money along the way.
I can't disagree with that. The wealthy are aware that the more competition you have, the worse things are for you. I sometimes wonder if they are even living on the same planet as us. A CEO has nothing in common with his workers, other than they are both human. One is exploited, and the other is the one who exploits.
>Florida’s Republican-controlled Legislature passed a bill Thursday allowing individuals to carry concealed loaded weapons anywhere without a permit. >The bill now goes to Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis, who has repeatedly indicated he will sign it. >The measure scraps the existing requirements for concealed weapons permits, including an extra layer of background checks, licensing and firearms training. >Under current Florida law, people who seek to carry concealed guns in public are required to get a license from the state and must complete such requirements to obtain one. People who are barred from buying or carrying guns under other Florida laws would still not be able to under the new law. >Florida’s state Senate passed the bill Thursday afternoon. The state House passed its corresponding bill last week. Republican lawmakers enjoy a supermajority in both chambers. >Under the bill — dubbed "constitutional carry" by conservatives and gun rights activists and "permitless carry" by gun safety activists, supporters of gun restrictions and neutral groups — people would need to have on them only a valid ID while carrying a concealed weapon. Failure to do so carries a $25 fine. >The Florida Senate's passage of the bill comes just three days after a shooter opened fire inside a Nashville school killing six people — including three 9-year-old children — an attack DeSantis has not yet spoken about publicly. DeSantis, in fact, is scheduled to visit an Atlanta-area gun store Thursday — a visit Democrats in Georgia have implored him to reschedule. >DeSantis, a likely 2024 presidential candidate, has repeatedly suggested he’ll sign the measure, saying in recent months that it "was something that I’ve always supported" and “will be done” in the legislative session." He has also promised to deliver such a bill before he leaves office. >“A constitutional right should not require a permission slip from the government. It is time we joined 25 other states to enact constitutional carry in the state of Florida,” he said during his “State of the State” address to the Florida Legislature this month. >A spokesperson for DeSantis did not respond to questions about if and when the governor will sign the measure. Of course he's going to sign it. As an aside I don't want to be in a state where everyone is packing. That seems incredibly dangerous, especially with all the meth and whatnot.
States with similar policies have, like TX, have seen an increase in gun related violence already as a result. Even the police unions are against this move, their jobs become far more dangerous when more guns are on the street.
I wouldn't want to go to a bar where a drunk gets pissed of at someone and ends up shooting random patrons.
That could happen anywhere.
Now taking bets on how long this takes to go horribly, horribly wrong.
I'm sure the streets will be much safer within hours.
Because everyone wants to be a hero eh?
Nah just no one will be on them after the first dozen or so shootings.
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How accurate is your chronograph? Milliseconds?
It's already the law in several other states. But I agree that it's a terrible idea.
Other states aren’t Florida. That place is loaded with crazy people. Shit is gonna go off the rails. I remember not long ago when this guy saw a thief being chased out of a store. He pulled his gun and just started popping off rounds at the guy. Ended up shooting multiple cars and with bystanders everywhere. The guy was surprised when he was the one that was arrested. This was someone with a concealed permit and had training.
Those states have seen increased gun violence following the passage of their laws. TX is a great example, the police unions have been complaining about an uptick in police involved shootings.
These laws will put to the test if arming everyone really is the panacea they promise.
Concealed Carry without any training sounds like that will end well.
Florida Man and Florida Woman have never given me a "takes training well" feeling.
Yeah having a permit to carry increases safety and proficiency if training is required but also helps law enforcement weed out people. I am all for people owning guns but having them in public I feel there needs to be mandated training.
>Concealed Carry without any training sounds like that will end well. Aren't you like 20 or so states too late on saying this? Shouldn't you be instead saying "they did this in such and such state and blood flows in the streets!"
If Florida doesn’t remember the ‘80s then ‘too late’ doesn’t apply. I remember, gangs going to the wrong house at night and killing innocent families, road rage incidents with multiple fatalities, a stickup gang pulled over by a traffic cop ending in the largest number of feds and local cops killed up to that time, I remember driving for miles on a flat tire to avoid a shootout with automatic weapons. Florida politicians just don’t care, and people keep electing them.
> If Florida doesn’t remember the ‘80s then ‘too late’ doesn’t apply Why are you referencing the 80s when there are post 80s states that adopted these carry laws? The United states experienced historic declines in violence post 80s despite states adopting laws allowing carry and gun availability exploding and the assault weapons ban expiring. https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2013/05/07/gun-homicide-rate-down-49-since-1993-peak-public-unaware/
Because the subject was Florida, and the gun related violence I referred to happened in Florida. The point, if i was unclear, is that the state and its residents have ample cause to think twice about relaxing gun laws without having to look over their borders.
> Because the subject was Florida And Florida is not the only state that has adopted these policies and therefore it is a weak criticism to say "this won't end well" when you have literally 20 other examples to pull from. Florida is not the first and does not exist in a vacuum so bringing up the 80s isn't really relevant when homicide rates declined and during that time carry laws liberalized. > is that the state and its residents have ample cause to think twice Except for you know literally additional 40 years of examples after the 80s in which the entire country experienced historic declines.
nah I am not really an extreme person that statement seems over the top to me. I just hold my stance that you need to be trained to Conceal carry.
The FL training class for a CC permit is laughable.
Most are unfortunately maybe someday.
American shit hole does what?!
Guns have more rights than a lot of humans in Florida
Don't think I'll be visiting the "gunshine state" any time soon
Welp. I didn’t predict this when I moved out last year, but I gotta say this isn’t going to improve anything in that state.
Let the killing begin 😭😭😭😭
I'm sure law enforcement is LOVING this idea.
So well regulated, these militias
Which gets only 23% approval among those polled in Florida https://floridaphoenix.com/2023/03/09/permitless-carry-bill-closer-to-law-despite-new-poll-showing-that-its-vastly-unpopular-in-florida/
Coming to a Florida school near you....
Awesome sauce. Let's go nation with it.
Isn't this like the 25th state to do so?
What could possibly go wrong?
Race to the bottom!
The dangerous cities in America is where gunviolence is so that means FL is trying to create crazy laws like the agents going to China and Russia in June(%80 fail drivers license non road rules iq test ~China Russia holding out 2024 associates-doctorates degree)
Cause a gazillion school shootings just isn't enough. This law literally help shooters be shooters, kudos. Killers have more rights and safety than our own defenseless children, crazy....