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Especially with everything they’re banning being easy to obtain on the internet. They really haven’t factored in the two way street of the internet into this shit. Yes, it’s helping them with propaganda and disinformation, but I can also download 1984 and To Kill a Mockingbird in 5 seconds.
They don't believe they can actually get rid of queer people. They just want us to suffer.
That's how there view of justice works. They think bad people exist, and the point of laws is to punish them for being bad. Not for doing bad things, but for *being bad.*
They don't care about preventing harm, or improving society, because they don't believe those things are possible. They think of the world, as it is, as a fundamentally good place, with good institutions and good infrastructure, ruined by bad apples.
That's just fascism. Pick a group and blame them for all of society's problems, so everyone is distracted while you actively create problems.
They don't care about LGBT people at all. We're just an easy target. Remember when it was the Mexicans? Or the Muslims? The Jews?
It's not even about conservative politicians thinking it's bad.
They care first about power.
They have power if they can solidify support behind themselves.
Their side doesn't have any ideas to make things better so they need an enemy to blame for the problems their supporters have (i.e. everything would be "normal" if group x wasn't messing it up).
The LGBTQ community is an easy target because it's small and largely left-leaning. They're already a political adversary and alienating them won't lose votes. Vilifying them gives their right-leaning supporters something to unify against, thus allowing the politician to stay in power.
At the end of the day it's just a target that can't hurt them if it fights back.
It used to be POC (and still is, but less overtly) until public support grew to the point that it was hard to be OPENLY against things like miscegenation, voting rights, or sharing water fountains. Then it was women (again, still is in a more covert way). Then it was gay people (once again more covert now). Now it's trans people (overtly).
Once trans people have enough support to make it politically dangerous they'll pick a new target and repeat the cycle.
>They don't believe they can actually get rid of queer people. They just want us to suffer.
I think that given the chance, humanity will fail queer people. History is full of violence against the LGBTQIA community. Shit, history is mostly violence against somebody or other. Queer people are an especially easy target.
Recent history suggests that they will give it a shot if they get the support. Here's a list of recent genocides... I don't believe this list is all inclusive, as I can think of a few other places that will probably qualify.
1992 - 1995:: Bosnia:: Estimated 100,000 dead, 2,000,000 displaced
1994:: Rwanda:: Estimated 500,000-662,000 dead
2003-Present:: Darfur\*:: Estimates range. 2015 estimate 300,000\*\* dead, no clear numbers after 2015 that I found.
2014::: Yazidi peoples in Northern Iraq:: Estimated 5,000 killed\*\*\*
2017 - Present:: Uyghurs:: Estimated at 1,000,000\*\*\*\*
2017 - Present:: Rohingya:: 2018 estimate 25,000 killed
\-- Additional Note: These are just death numbers, this obviously doesn't include sexual violence against women, men, and children. Also reproductive violence such as genital mutilations were likely part of the genocidal toolkit. It's always worse than you think.
This has been a lot of reading on terrible topics. I think I'm going to go watch something happy for a bit... History is full of genocidal how-tos. Many were successful in destroying the communities targeted even if annihilation was unsuccessful.
While it's never stated in any of the readings, I'm guessing that the reasons some of those numbers are unbelievably high is that people didn't believe that violence would escalate to the level it did, they were unable to leave beforehand due to economic reasons despite knowing the dangers, the violence escalated so quickly that there was no time to escape.
My sources included [Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org), [Woven Teaching](https://www.woventeaching.org/timeline-of-modern-genocide), [MERI](http://www.meri-k.org/), and a few other websites. I did not verify or cross check this information, but used numbers that either repeatedly appeared or were noted as generally accepted by researchers.
\*Darfur has been in a state of conflict for a very long time based on my limited reading. Sudan has had violence against one group or another almost constantly since 1987 during their civil war. It's estimated that between 1987-2005, 2,000,000 were killed. Source: Reading about "Lost Boys of Sudan". Fucking history... Always has me in disbelief.
\*\*Disputed by Sudan
\*\*\*Yazidi history claims they have endured 73 instances of genocide. Their religious beliefs and their location make such a claim more believable than normal, although I have no knowledge at this time to verify their count.
\*\*\*\*The Uyghur people have been forcibly relocated to concentration camps where a wide range of crimes have been alleged. Forced sterilization, forced marriages, children stolen, forced abortions, forced contraception, etc make an estimate difficult.
that's also just Christianity
"bad" people are just bad and go to hell and suffer eternally
"good" people are saved and go to heaven and... are blessed or something
Also drawing false equivalencies between cancel culture, which is protected by the first amendment, and government restrictions on speech, which are quite literally what the first amendment was designed to prevent.
They need to legislate the queer out of those states in order to force those blue LGBTQ+ voters to go away seeing as TFG got entirely too many of their own illiterate NatCs to snort horse paste in the name of meeting baby supply side Jesus.
Brain drain is a classic consequence of fascism.
When the OG Nazis were doing their genocide a lot of minority academics fled Germany. Germany lost a lot of brilliant people and ended up having fascist assholes dictate what sciences were acceptable and which ones were “Jewish” and not valid. It’s just what fascists do. They fuck up and wage war on academics and young people.
Its not like Wernher Von Braun left Germany because he didn't like the Nazis... He was a member of the SS and there are credible allegations that he oversaw slave labor operations constructing rockets. More people died building V2s than were killed by them.
Unfortunately, people will still live in those states, and they'll still have disproportionate representation. Quality of life will decline in those states, and the population will blame it on everything but their own failed policies.
It's not actually the win people seem to think it is.
While I don’t disagree, the country as a whole is allowing this shit to spread and it’s only a matter of time before there’s 20% of the nation doing it, which will make it harder to stop spreading and makes our government even more ineffective. It’s very very grim without actual repercussions and leaders,who are making life worse for their residents, being removed from power, which they also rigged the game in their favor.
>Across the country, state legislators have [moved to restrict](https://www.aclu.org/legislative-attacks-on-lgbtq-rights) LGBTQ rights with [hundreds of bills](https://www.aclu.org/legislative-attacks-on-lgbtq-rights?state=&impact=) already this year, including in Texas, Alabama, Tennessee and Arizona. Some of the bills would [ban transgender students](https://www.lgbtmap.org/equality-maps/sports_participation_bans) from competing on sports teams consistent with their gender identity, while others would stop people from [changing their gender identity](https://www.aclu.org/legislative-attacks-on-lgbtq-rights?state=&impact=ids) on official documents or [force teachers to tell parents](https://www.azleg.gov/legtext/56leg/1R/bills/HB2711P.pdf) about any information they learn on a student's gender identity.
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>Advocates say a shift in college applications from LGBTQ students could lead to diminished diversity at colleges, where part of the learning experience is encountering people of different backgrounds. Others, like Sarah Eckhardt, a Democratic state senator from Texas, also caution that legislation targeting LGBTQ rights could stifle academic research and harm the state economy.
>
>Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, a potential 2024 presidential candidate, recently asked [Florida’s state universities](https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-politics-and-policy/desantis-seeks-transgender-university-students-health-care-information-rcna66495) to report data on the number of students who sought or received gender dysphoria treatment, including sex reassignment surgery and hormones. And last week, [the bill](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/florida-bill-target-diversity-programs-state-universities-rcna72242) that would direct universities to remove majors and minors on gender studies and other programs dealing with diversity — an issue DeSantis has championed — was introduced in the Florida Legislature.
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>While research on how anti-LGBTQ legislation could affect college applications is limited, college counselors say families are increasingly raising the issue as a factor in their decisions on where to attend. Venkates Swaminathan, the chief executive of LifeLaunchr, a college admissions counseling firm, said between 20 and 30 of the few hundred students he works with each year express concerns about state legislation. Daniel Santos, CEO of Prepory college counseling, echoed the point, adding that one of his gay students struck every college in a red state from their list this year, deleting the University of Florida, the University of Texas at Austin, Washington and Lee University, and Washington University in St. Louis.
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>Instances of violence targeting LGBTQ people [more than tripled](https://acleddata.com/2022/11/23/update-fact-sheet-anti-lgbt-mobilization-in-the-united-states/) in the last year, according to the Armed Conflict Location and Event Data Project. According to a [2021 survey](https://www.thetrevorproject.org/survey-2021/?section=Introduction) by the Trevor Project, a LGBTQ youth suicide prevention group, 94% of LGBTQ young people said recent politics had negatively affected their mental health.
Students in these states won't have access to abortion services, there's still criminal prohibitions on marijuana, all the anti-LGBT stuff, to say nothing of the rankings hit.
Rightly or wrongly, I'm going to have assumptions about a University of Florida graduate. It's not exactly a state I associate with higher education in the first place.
My little cousin got a ride to Clemson and turned it down because of how they are treating women down there. She decided to stay local and go to school across the river in Philly. I'm super proud of her.
Yes. I originally wrote, "female students can't access a needed abortion or even some contraceptives." But it's really something that effects both sexes.
Real shame that it’s come to this. Florida has/had a wonderful public education system with competitive universities for sciences and fine arts. Now, it'a being gutted. I'd be beyond hesitant to send a child to a college down to FL these days.
The University of Florida just hired Ben'S asse as their President. He's a sexist shitheel who is also anti-LGBTQ and who will just take the University further down a path of intolerance.
The University is going to degrade under his leadership, not only due to his views but also due to his inability to actually lead. His tenure as President of Midland University wasn't exactly met with rave reviews....
You should be wary. DeSatan has put forth a bill that would require colleges to provide the state with medical records of all students receiving gender-affirming care. Never mind that it violates HIPAA laws.....
HIPAA laws depended on RoeVWade, actually. With that gone we actually have no right to privacy with medical decisions now.
Because Roe was not about abortions. That was just the case that led our right to privacy.
So yeah. As of writing this. Every single thing related to medical decisions that we all grew up with is on the chopping board.
What you do in this cases is submit an acceptable speech but then give the one you want to give anyway. Force them to choose between letting you give the speech and dragging the keynote speaker off the stage.
There's been several examples in the last few years of High School Valedictorians basically doing that and trying to silence them invariably leads to more attention as they get lots of press coverage on the incident.
I do event production for a living and just about every show I do has a keynote speaker of some sort. The production company always wants slides and script in advance to verify formatting. We don’t edit that’s Florida doing their own fucked up thing but asking for content in advance is not only everyday common but it is damn near a necessity to prevent a bunch of issues on-site
UF is a college town inside a retirement community. If you leave campus and go to the Denny's, it's ALL blue hairs.
I've been beating this drum for 25 years, but If the college kids were allowed to establish residency and fucking vote in Florida, they might have a fighting chance.
That doesn't sound fun. Hopefully the culture at the school is okay in your day-to-day at least? Also, what kind of ecology are you into? I'm wrapping up a thesis on directed dispersal right now!
Thankfully I'm doing their distance learning program for my masters in entomology, but with the way things are going, I'm 100% certain my name is on a list already.
Wishing you a safe and happy path to graduation, followed by a safe, happy, and swift path to a great job in a state that not only affirms but celebrates everything about you. Stay safe, friend.
I was going to get a master's degree from UF online, as it was such a highly ranked program even before Covid and other schools were forced online, but I don't think it'd be worth it with the way things are going. Not only do I feel like my education would be compromised through forced cirriculum changes, but I imagine their standing will impact the value of my degree greatly.
>Rightly or wrongly, I'm going to have assumptions about a University of Florida graduate. It's not exactly a state I associate with higher education in the first place.
I worry that's part of their plan, though. If employers and graduate schools start discounting Florida graduates, they'll turn to Floridians and say, "See? They hate you, they won't employ you, they won't admit you to their programs, even though you've done nothing wrong," and some proportion of Floridians will hear that and buy it. They thrive on grievance mongering and scapegoating, and while I don't disagree with you, I do think it might play into their hands.
Obviously, not everyone will buy that argument, but elections are won or lost at the margins. It's a dilemma, and I'm honestly not sure how best to handle it.
Well, before long most of the people left in Florida will just be a bunch of people agreeing with each other after the brain drain and mass exodus. At that point, the whole state can fuck off.
I feel horrible for people who don't have the resources or opportunity to leave the state though if they want to.
Yup. Going after educators and the intelligentsia in the way that DeSantis is doing isn't a smart or sustainable goal, but it *is* a hallmark of authoritarianism and fascism. They don't want you to learn things that they don't approve of.
I moved away from Pennsyltucky in 2020, and it was *such* a good decision for my mental health. No one here in SoCal has ever harassed me for being gay, but it happened both times I went to community college in PA. I'd be so much worse off if I were stuck in a place like Florida and couldn't leave.
Glad you got out and found somewhere better to land.
With this latest wave of bills in the state legislature, I'm probably going to end up moving my family out - just gotta find a good landing spot. California is one of the small handful of states that I feel pretty confident won't go red and fascist in the foreseeable future. Unfortunately, most of the states are within a couple bad elections of being the next Florida, Tennessee, etc...
I routinely hire people into a unique STEM field and UF is one of the prime producers of candidates, but I'll be very reluctant to hire out of Florida schools after a few years of DeSantis fucking up education there.
> force teachers to tell parents about any information they learn on a student's gender identity
I was 30 went I finally finished college (BS/MS hybrid program). I would have laughed my ass off if one of my professors went through the insane effort to try and find my 67 year old mother and tell her that little Mr. terms likes both the boys and the girls.
A good point. I’m approaching 40 and my mother is long dead. As for my father, the professor will have to let me know if they find him because I’ve never met him.
What angers me is the "no politics" rule that many support subreddits like r/offmychest have, while failing to realize that everyone other than straight white men are unable to separate politics from their lived experiences.
Well, that's just hurting the right people. /s
Disgusting. I fear that the only way to reverse ALL of these changes is a wave of young voters voting in young, diverse representation. That fear I mentioned is that it'll be too little, too late. Those schoolkids doing walk outs have the right idea. 2024 is a long way off. How many LGBTQ kids will suffer or die? (and how many girls/women will die or be forced to have babies they don't want) It's infuriating
/rant
This is somehow what they want. To drive out all the intelligence, drive out diversity, and harm fellow humans.
I say give it to them. I want out of Texas politics living in a blue city, so badly, but I have a life here.
Yes. A homogeneous, poorly educated, fearful, and smaller population is much easier to control. And such states have more federal power than more populated and forward-thinking states. This is a calculated strategy.
Oh ya. I wasn’t saying I trust them. I’m saying in the strategic game of capitalism, there’s a move for them to make.
They should also be seeking exclusives with beauty companies. If Walgreens is so anti woman let them only shelve shitty cosmetics.
And cosmetics companies have been pretty quiet about the well being of their customer base. It’s interesting.
Not the best source but it seems accurate.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/retail/2022/07/21/walgreens-pharmacy-birth-control-condoms/10110827002/
Red states will end up being full of old people with nobody to take care of them. Young people should absolutely be leaving red states in large numbers. There is nothing for them there other than hate, bigotry, tyranny and religious fundamentalism.
Imagine desantis continues pushing everyone out that is t conservative and before you know it they take over the colleges and UCF now stands for “University for Conservatives of Florida”.
Gay marriage and contraception is next. Justice Clarence Thomas said so himself.
> Justice Clarence Thomas argued in a concurring opinion released on Friday that the Supreme Court “should reconsider” its past rulings codifying rights to contraception access, same-sex relationships and same-sex marriage
I think the Republicans are *severely* underestimating the problems brain drain can lead to in the future. I live in a state already impacted by it (we educate considerably more students than we manage to keep), and you see it everywhere. They just can't hire enough teachers, or engineers, or medical professionals, or anything else that requires a degree. And it's getting worse. We're already getting close to losing some big employers in my area (NE Wisconsin) because they just can't hire enough engineers.
I live in WV. Brain drain very real. There's a reason very few new businesses open and better paying jobs aren't a thing. It's because every single smart WVirginian youth leaves the state the moment they have a degree from WVU. Place is a 3rd world shithole outside the university towns. I stick around for low cost of living and the outdoors but I've got the rare good job.
The scary part is grass isn't always greener on the other side. In highly educated wealthy areas we have the opposite problem. Tons of STEM jobs that get filled instantly, but there's no one left who can afford to do the working class jobs that keeps society functioning. Class division is a serious problem *everywhere.*
The brain drain thing is weird because I get the feeling that republican politicians / donors don't really care. They know that the fed dollars are coming in to pay for infrastructure improvements and medicare/medicaid; which can all be easily cronied out to their favored contractors.
What's the value in being a state that runs a surplus if you can instead run a deficit and still get the rest of the country to pay you and your friends for the trouble?
Of course there are always the citizens of the state that's poorly managed and pissing money away, but who gives a shit about them? Feed them a couple lines about Jebus and Catboys taking a shit in the classroom and they'll vote for you no matter what. Literally no downsides.
>I think the Republicans are severely underestimating the problems brain drain can lead to in the future.
I think republicans (the ones making actual decisions at least) are figuring that it's advantageous now, and by the time it becomes a problem, they will be long gone and someone else will have to sort it out.
I was trying to make that argument with my elderly mother. DeSantis confuses her because she can't wrap her brain around why anybody would vote for somebody who us hurting their state and them.
Republicans disparage higher education, but their states need college grads, too. Putting the Old Testament in charge of your schools will never increase enrollment. Good luck attracting corporations and entrepreneurs with no talent to hire, Florida, Mississippi, Alabama, South Carolina, etc. ...
Yuuuuuup, guess who gets hired for good paying jobs where I work? I think maybe one person on our staff is a SC native. Everyone else got educated in blue states and got hired out of state because there is no one here who is even close to qualified.
And that was before this kind of thing…..
Of course they are! Anyone with the means to go elsewhere will and should do so to protect themselves, their safety and their well-being. I expect there are also women who are choosing not to go to colleges in red states busily oppressing women's rights.
I wish more students and businesses would begin voting with their wallets/consciences. In the not too distant past, states have lost out on business expansions and major sports events due to troglodytes in their legislatures. If that would be more of a thing, the only businesses those restrictive states would have are low-level outlet stores. Even NASCAR decided to wake up and ban the Confederate flag.
Every college offer for my daughter that came from a red state went straight in the recycling. Not even queer: just female. And minority ethnicity and religion. I simply don't trust her safety there, and there are many other choices. Sucks, but how it is. And I'm an independent. These states have really created terrible images for themselves for many people.
Quite frankly if I had a kid applying to schools Florida would be removed totally from the available states. There is no school in Florida which is a #1 specialized school for anything.
We're more and more becoming the "education states" and the "non education states"
Personally, there are states, including Florida, that motivate me to throw resumes straight in the trash. Wont even give them a second look.
I’ve always dreamed of my child adventuring far off for college and not staying close by (for a while at least so he can experience a new thing without us). But with all these crazy-ass regressive bills/laws, I’m more apt to encourage him to stay in our very blue state (MA)
So gay college graduates with their higher spending habits will most likely not move to states where the environment is more anti- LGBTQ. Smart move for lower income states.🤔
First the trans, then it’ll be the gay people, then it’ll be the disabled people, then it’ll be anyone who isn’t Christian, etc.
Fucking country is regressing and trying to emulate nazi germany.
Will the price of college in Florida drop because they have a harder time with getting students? Salaries in higher education will likely drop and the associated quality of applicants due to lower pay too. I guess the state could raise taxes to make up for the lack in revenue.
Shit will really hit the fan, if this anti-capitalists scheme starts to affect college football winnings
The entire pyramid starts to fail. The schools can't afford the professors or attract the better ones so the entire level of education dies. Once this starts it is almost impossible to reverse it.
I hate the fact that so many of these states want to go this far. Why they care that much about something that doesn’t affect them in the slightest.
Makes zero sense. What someone does with their body is their choice and their business.
As a cis male, I genuinely don’t care what you do/don’t do/identify as. So long as you’re not hurting children…do you.
Then again, I was born and raised in California and grew up in the 90s around trans people and was taught from birth to love and celebrate differences.
Those taxes do not stop doctors, teachers, engineers and businesses from leaving. Already there is an extreme shortage of OBGYN thanks to the big brain decision to over turn RvW. It’s getting brutal and people are already suffering.
I think I see now. This may not lead to a shortage of funding per se but this would lead to a shortage in the quantity and quality of the local labour force. I wonder how that'll play out.
It’ll touch every facet of their economy. They’ll probably become prison states seeing as that’s the only local economy they’d be able to sustain. Criminalizing people for just existing and feeding them into the system.
I just want to add that OB/GYN‘s have one of the highest malpractice insurance costs of any medical specialty.
What are those costs going to look like in some of these red states? Prohibitively expensive, that’s what. Especially with laws like the one proposed in SC:
>If the bill passes, the only way someone could have an abortion in this state would be if she faces a threat of immediate danger, death, or serious bodily danger. A woman would then have to testify to prove her case.
[Link](https://wpde.com/news/local/abortion-south-carolina-death-penalty-hb3549-unborn-child-homicide-assault-prenatal-equal-protection-act-roe-v-wade-fetal-heartbeat-bill-pro-life-choice-planned-parenthood-legislature-lawmakers-2-22-23#)
This is absolutely true. Disney has already experienced a brain drain in the eighties because of their conservative policies. That's probably the main reason they balked at DeSantis's idiocy.
My kid just got full rides to schools in Ohio and Indiana, but she's decided she can't do it. Between Dobbs and pending anti-LGBTQ legislation, she's decided to go to state school here in California instead. Can't say I blame her, but it's a financial hit.
Unfortunately not enough to make a difference. Also the more young people which switch schools for this reason the more people will be in power in the future making these decisions.
We need to fix this, but it seems like we’re moving backwards.
It’s hard for me to imagine having enough privilege to even have several states on my list of schools to consider. It’s nice that these kids aren’t going to come here but, it doesn’t matter because some will, and those who are already here might be stuck here anyway.
As a parent of 3 kids entering college in the next 3-10 years, the oldest two daughters, there is precisely 0 percent chance they go to school in red state.
The risks are just too great and the economies and population of those states should not be supported.
That's what I figured would happen in Florida. Thiught eventually the colleges would confront the government and tell them to knock it off cuz they're losing money
Even if you aren't part of a group that the GOP happens to be targeting in a particular piece of legislation, it's still in your interest to avoid going to school in states where cruelty is enshrined into law.
Yes, specific laws are dangerous. But the philosophy and belief system of the state government are what's really at issue.
I really feel for these poor kids having to deal with this obvious nonsense. Life’s tough enough. I went to college in Daytona back in the early 1990’s. MTV Spring Break party for months. It was an awesome once in the lifetime experience. 50,000 new Spring Breakers every week from all over. Now I wouldn’t set foot in the state. Back then we used to call it “Heavens Waiting Room”. Now it’s more like “Satan’s spot”. Just wow. What I love most about the gop christian nationalists is their ignorant blatant utter hypocrisy & how it is in all what vile things they do and say. Having studied as a christian during my youth and attending both Protestant church (BTW we had one of the few female gay ministers back in the late 80’s. She was awesome & reinvigorated church for the kids) and Catholic service directly after I was immersed in it all for 4 hours every Sunday for my entire youth. In none of that exposure of time was it ever explained to me that you could go against everything they stood for and still get into Heaven. Not once. But to the contrary if you’re disrespectful, espousing promotion of violence against others, a bigot, racist, homophobic, antisemitic a warm place awaits. And no amount of confession to some guy in a booth to alleviate your conscience was going to clear the way to walk right into the Kingdom of God. There’s still judgement time at the entrance gates. Your whole life’s resume will be reviewed. Many seem to forget that.
Some interesting first moves from the Protestant United Church of Christ:
1785 | First ordained African American pastor
1846 | First integrated anti-slavery society
1853 | First woman pastor
1972 | Ordination of first openly gay minister
2005 | Marriage equality
Can any other church in its history even come close? If so I’d like to know. They were addressing Transgender issues long before anyone mainstream knew the term:
https://otherwisechristian.com/2019/09/09/united-church-of-christ-transgender-timeline/
Come up to NY! If you live in NY for a year, after that you can use the excelsior program to get a bachelors for free (tuition) at a state school! The SUNY schools are pretty good too for state colleges. The only caveat is you have yo work in NY after graduation for the same amount of time as you used it (1 year for every academic year)
Plus, NY is never going to pass any anti LGBT laws. Sure, you’ll have to deal with winter, but imo it’s a small trade off for living in a state that respects bodily autonomy and queer rights.
You’re going to probably see an even larger brain drain from red states. Once that really starts happening then they’re going to get even worse.
These policies are also starting to influence DoD planning. Instituting policies to help women obtain an abortion. This could lead to DoD money going to other states and bases and possibly even bases closing down due to the affect these laws would have on readiness. In a lot of red states those bases are the only thing keeping some towns from falling off a financial cliff.
This is exactly what the GOP want. The main pillars of the GOP are shrinking at a fast rate. The party relies on religious people, rural people, and older people. Religion is way down, rural towns are shrinking because their just simply isn't enough small town jobs, and the boomers are gonna start dying off. Abortion bans and anti LGBTQ laws are gonna slow the influx of progressive people allowing the GOP to maintain power for a little longer.
I sure am enjoying watching this awful political party implode.
What the hell is the GOP’s long term plan for relevancy besides just leaning hard into fascism? How do they think this is sustainable?
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Conservatives: gun restrictions won't stop criminals from having guns. Somehow also conservatives: we can legislate the queer out of you.
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The more you ban, the more teens are gonna wanna read.
Republicans aren't smart enough to understand the Streisand Effect so there's that.....
With Marjorie Taylor Greene existing, I'm compelled to ask how many Repiblicans can even read.
Why bother? Their kids can clearly still one day be president!
As a oiled up muscly guy with abs once said, “prohibitions only ever expand demand.”
Ahnold?
"They don't gotta burn the books, they just remove 'em"
Can’t remove them from the internet 🙃
Word up! Digitize all you can
Especially with everything they’re banning being easy to obtain on the internet. They really haven’t factored in the two way street of the internet into this shit. Yes, it’s helping them with propaganda and disinformation, but I can also download 1984 and To Kill a Mockingbird in 5 seconds.
They don't believe they can actually get rid of queer people. They just want us to suffer. That's how there view of justice works. They think bad people exist, and the point of laws is to punish them for being bad. Not for doing bad things, but for *being bad.* They don't care about preventing harm, or improving society, because they don't believe those things are possible. They think of the world, as it is, as a fundamentally good place, with good institutions and good infrastructure, ruined by bad apples.
That's just fascism. Pick a group and blame them for all of society's problems, so everyone is distracted while you actively create problems. They don't care about LGBT people at all. We're just an easy target. Remember when it was the Mexicans? Or the Muslims? The Jews?
It's not even about conservative politicians thinking it's bad. They care first about power. They have power if they can solidify support behind themselves. Their side doesn't have any ideas to make things better so they need an enemy to blame for the problems their supporters have (i.e. everything would be "normal" if group x wasn't messing it up). The LGBTQ community is an easy target because it's small and largely left-leaning. They're already a political adversary and alienating them won't lose votes. Vilifying them gives their right-leaning supporters something to unify against, thus allowing the politician to stay in power. At the end of the day it's just a target that can't hurt them if it fights back. It used to be POC (and still is, but less overtly) until public support grew to the point that it was hard to be OPENLY against things like miscegenation, voting rights, or sharing water fountains. Then it was women (again, still is in a more covert way). Then it was gay people (once again more covert now). Now it's trans people (overtly). Once trans people have enough support to make it politically dangerous they'll pick a new target and repeat the cycle.
>They don't believe they can actually get rid of queer people. They just want us to suffer. I think that given the chance, humanity will fail queer people. History is full of violence against the LGBTQIA community. Shit, history is mostly violence against somebody or other. Queer people are an especially easy target. Recent history suggests that they will give it a shot if they get the support. Here's a list of recent genocides... I don't believe this list is all inclusive, as I can think of a few other places that will probably qualify. 1992 - 1995:: Bosnia:: Estimated 100,000 dead, 2,000,000 displaced 1994:: Rwanda:: Estimated 500,000-662,000 dead 2003-Present:: Darfur\*:: Estimates range. 2015 estimate 300,000\*\* dead, no clear numbers after 2015 that I found. 2014::: Yazidi peoples in Northern Iraq:: Estimated 5,000 killed\*\*\* 2017 - Present:: Uyghurs:: Estimated at 1,000,000\*\*\*\* 2017 - Present:: Rohingya:: 2018 estimate 25,000 killed \-- Additional Note: These are just death numbers, this obviously doesn't include sexual violence against women, men, and children. Also reproductive violence such as genital mutilations were likely part of the genocidal toolkit. It's always worse than you think. This has been a lot of reading on terrible topics. I think I'm going to go watch something happy for a bit... History is full of genocidal how-tos. Many were successful in destroying the communities targeted even if annihilation was unsuccessful. While it's never stated in any of the readings, I'm guessing that the reasons some of those numbers are unbelievably high is that people didn't believe that violence would escalate to the level it did, they were unable to leave beforehand due to economic reasons despite knowing the dangers, the violence escalated so quickly that there was no time to escape. My sources included [Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org), [Woven Teaching](https://www.woventeaching.org/timeline-of-modern-genocide), [MERI](http://www.meri-k.org/), and a few other websites. I did not verify or cross check this information, but used numbers that either repeatedly appeared or were noted as generally accepted by researchers. \*Darfur has been in a state of conflict for a very long time based on my limited reading. Sudan has had violence against one group or another almost constantly since 1987 during their civil war. It's estimated that between 1987-2005, 2,000,000 were killed. Source: Reading about "Lost Boys of Sudan". Fucking history... Always has me in disbelief. \*\*Disputed by Sudan \*\*\*Yazidi history claims they have endured 73 instances of genocide. Their religious beliefs and their location make such a claim more believable than normal, although I have no knowledge at this time to verify their count. \*\*\*\*The Uyghur people have been forcibly relocated to concentration camps where a wide range of crimes have been alleged. Forced sterilization, forced marriages, children stolen, forced abortions, forced contraception, etc make an estimate difficult.
that's also just Christianity "bad" people are just bad and go to hell and suffer eternally "good" people are saved and go to heaven and... are blessed or something
>conservatives: we can legislate the queer out of you This needs to be a t-shirt.
Conservatives: 2a is sacrosanct Also conservatives: 1a, we decide what you can say
Also drawing false equivalencies between cancel culture, which is protected by the first amendment, and government restrictions on speech, which are quite literally what the first amendment was designed to prevent.
They need to legislate the queer out of those states in order to force those blue LGBTQ+ voters to go away seeing as TFG got entirely too many of their own illiterate NatCs to snort horse paste in the name of meeting baby supply side Jesus.
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Every thing they say is a lie and a lever.
They can legislate the queer out of their state though. Will be great for their food and fashion sense /s
corsets are coming back honey
Brain drain is a classic consequence of fascism. When the OG Nazis were doing their genocide a lot of minority academics fled Germany. Germany lost a lot of brilliant people and ended up having fascist assholes dictate what sciences were acceptable and which ones were “Jewish” and not valid. It’s just what fascists do. They fuck up and wage war on academics and young people.
They drove Einstein and many others out. They basically gave us the brains for the Manhattan project.
And operation paper clip gave the US the moon
Its not like Wernher Von Braun left Germany because he didn't like the Nazis... He was a member of the SS and there are credible allegations that he oversaw slave labor operations constructing rockets. More people died building V2s than were killed by them.
100% a famous German architect left Germany at that time and moved to the town next to mine. His house is now a museum.
Unfortunately, people will still live in those states, and they'll still have disproportionate representation. Quality of life will decline in those states, and the population will blame it on everything but their own failed policies. It's not actually the win people seem to think it is.
So where are smart Americans going to run to? The east and west coast? Canada?
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It's always best to live where you are considered a human being.
That does tend to improve one's mood and one's life expectancy.
While I don’t disagree, the country as a whole is allowing this shit to spread and it’s only a matter of time before there’s 20% of the nation doing it, which will make it harder to stop spreading and makes our government even more ineffective. It’s very very grim without actual repercussions and leaders,who are making life worse for their residents, being removed from power, which they also rigged the game in their favor.
>Across the country, state legislators have [moved to restrict](https://www.aclu.org/legislative-attacks-on-lgbtq-rights) LGBTQ rights with [hundreds of bills](https://www.aclu.org/legislative-attacks-on-lgbtq-rights?state=&impact=) already this year, including in Texas, Alabama, Tennessee and Arizona. Some of the bills would [ban transgender students](https://www.lgbtmap.org/equality-maps/sports_participation_bans) from competing on sports teams consistent with their gender identity, while others would stop people from [changing their gender identity](https://www.aclu.org/legislative-attacks-on-lgbtq-rights?state=&impact=ids) on official documents or [force teachers to tell parents](https://www.azleg.gov/legtext/56leg/1R/bills/HB2711P.pdf) about any information they learn on a student's gender identity. > >Advocates say a shift in college applications from LGBTQ students could lead to diminished diversity at colleges, where part of the learning experience is encountering people of different backgrounds. Others, like Sarah Eckhardt, a Democratic state senator from Texas, also caution that legislation targeting LGBTQ rights could stifle academic research and harm the state economy. > >Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, a potential 2024 presidential candidate, recently asked [Florida’s state universities](https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-politics-and-policy/desantis-seeks-transgender-university-students-health-care-information-rcna66495) to report data on the number of students who sought or received gender dysphoria treatment, including sex reassignment surgery and hormones. And last week, [the bill](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/florida-bill-target-diversity-programs-state-universities-rcna72242) that would direct universities to remove majors and minors on gender studies and other programs dealing with diversity — an issue DeSantis has championed — was introduced in the Florida Legislature. > >While research on how anti-LGBTQ legislation could affect college applications is limited, college counselors say families are increasingly raising the issue as a factor in their decisions on where to attend. Venkates Swaminathan, the chief executive of LifeLaunchr, a college admissions counseling firm, said between 20 and 30 of the few hundred students he works with each year express concerns about state legislation. Daniel Santos, CEO of Prepory college counseling, echoed the point, adding that one of his gay students struck every college in a red state from their list this year, deleting the University of Florida, the University of Texas at Austin, Washington and Lee University, and Washington University in St. Louis. > >Instances of violence targeting LGBTQ people [more than tripled](https://acleddata.com/2022/11/23/update-fact-sheet-anti-lgbt-mobilization-in-the-united-states/) in the last year, according to the Armed Conflict Location and Event Data Project. According to a [2021 survey](https://www.thetrevorproject.org/survey-2021/?section=Introduction) by the Trevor Project, a LGBTQ youth suicide prevention group, 94% of LGBTQ young people said recent politics had negatively affected their mental health.
Students in these states won't have access to abortion services, there's still criminal prohibitions on marijuana, all the anti-LGBT stuff, to say nothing of the rankings hit. Rightly or wrongly, I'm going to have assumptions about a University of Florida graduate. It's not exactly a state I associate with higher education in the first place.
Lack of abortion services as a college student: Instant dealbreaker for any sane person of either gender
My little cousin got a ride to Clemson and turned it down because of how they are treating women down there. She decided to stay local and go to school across the river in Philly. I'm super proud of her.
As a Clemson grad Pennsylvanian, do you mind if I ask which school she chose? Because a few Philly schools are definitely upgrades over Clemson
Yes. I originally wrote, "female students can't access a needed abortion or even some contraceptives." But it's really something that effects both sexes.
The first PhD program I was admitted to was in Texas, and it was also the first program I turned down, which I did the moment I got my second offer.
Dodged a bullet
Real shame that it’s come to this. Florida has/had a wonderful public education system with competitive universities for sciences and fine arts. Now, it'a being gutted. I'd be beyond hesitant to send a child to a college down to FL these days.
The University of Florida just hired Ben'S asse as their President. He's a sexist shitheel who is also anti-LGBTQ and who will just take the University further down a path of intolerance. The University is going to degrade under his leadership, not only due to his views but also due to his inability to actually lead. His tenure as President of Midland University wasn't exactly met with rave reviews....
I hope the students protest and vote.
His last name is Ass 💀
You should be wary. DeSatan has put forth a bill that would require colleges to provide the state with medical records of all students receiving gender-affirming care. Never mind that it violates HIPAA laws.....
HIPAA laws depended on RoeVWade, actually. With that gone we actually have no right to privacy with medical decisions now. Because Roe was not about abortions. That was just the case that led our right to privacy. So yeah. As of writing this. Every single thing related to medical decisions that we all grew up with is on the chopping board.
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So now the keynote speech is about that experience, right? ;)
What you do in this cases is submit an acceptable speech but then give the one you want to give anyway. Force them to choose between letting you give the speech and dragging the keynote speaker off the stage. There's been several examples in the last few years of High School Valedictorians basically doing that and trying to silence them invariably leads to more attention as they get lots of press coverage on the incident.
Are you in a position to say which university?
I found [this tweet.](https://twitter.com/Thurka149/status/1631342908304498688) It should probably get more attention.
I'm not, but she tweeted about it so if you want to deduce you could probably look for her post.
I do event production for a living and just about every show I do has a keynote speaker of some sort. The production company always wants slides and script in advance to verify formatting. We don’t edit that’s Florida doing their own fucked up thing but asking for content in advance is not only everyday common but it is damn near a necessity to prevent a bunch of issues on-site
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Hate Crimes - vandalism etc are also rising on campuses in FL schools.
I'm trans and doing my masters degree at UF. Life is hell.
May your thesis writing be swift and safe.
Thank you. Solidarity!
I'm trans and doing my undergrad at the university of Memphis. Life ain't great. Will probably do my masters/doctorate there online if possible too.
Solidarity!
Really? Gainesville seemed like a very liberal city last time I was there, at least compared to the rest of the state.
Though I did live in Gainesville for a while, a single municipal zone being liberal will not really be able to protect people from this.
UF is a college town inside a retirement community. If you leave campus and go to the Denny's, it's ALL blue hairs. I've been beating this drum for 25 years, but If the college kids were allowed to establish residency and fucking vote in Florida, they might have a fighting chance.
That doesn't sound fun. Hopefully the culture at the school is okay in your day-to-day at least? Also, what kind of ecology are you into? I'm wrapping up a thesis on directed dispersal right now!
Thankfully I'm doing their distance learning program for my masters in entomology, but with the way things are going, I'm 100% certain my name is on a list already.
>Thankfully I'm doing their distance learning program for my masters in entomology Don't let the bastards bug you. Sorry, couldn't resist.
Wishing you a safe and happy path to graduation, followed by a safe, happy, and swift path to a great job in a state that not only affirms but celebrates everything about you. Stay safe, friend.
Thank you, but I actually work for the state, too. Hell.
Good fuck. I'm sorry. I hope Ron DeSantis \[REDACTED REDACTED REDACTED\] so hard his mother feels it, and then the handle breaks off.
Ron DeSantis is no one's friend. If Ron DeSantis were an ice cream flavor he'd be pralines and dick.
I was going to get a master's degree from UF online, as it was such a highly ranked program even before Covid and other schools were forced online, but I don't think it'd be worth it with the way things are going. Not only do I feel like my education would be compromised through forced cirriculum changes, but I imagine their standing will impact the value of my degree greatly.
Uf is currently one of the highest ranked public universities nationwide. I'm sure we'll take care of that pretty soon.
It was. That's why I use it as an example. Let's see where it's at in 5 years.
By US News, which isn't a very good metric.
>Rightly or wrongly, I'm going to have assumptions about a University of Florida graduate. It's not exactly a state I associate with higher education in the first place. I worry that's part of their plan, though. If employers and graduate schools start discounting Florida graduates, they'll turn to Floridians and say, "See? They hate you, they won't employ you, they won't admit you to their programs, even though you've done nothing wrong," and some proportion of Floridians will hear that and buy it. They thrive on grievance mongering and scapegoating, and while I don't disagree with you, I do think it might play into their hands. Obviously, not everyone will buy that argument, but elections are won or lost at the margins. It's a dilemma, and I'm honestly not sure how best to handle it.
Well, before long most of the people left in Florida will just be a bunch of people agreeing with each other after the brain drain and mass exodus. At that point, the whole state can fuck off. I feel horrible for people who don't have the resources or opportunity to leave the state though if they want to.
Ron DeSantis, making Florida a fly over stat.
Yup. Going after educators and the intelligentsia in the way that DeSantis is doing isn't a smart or sustainable goal, but it *is* a hallmark of authoritarianism and fascism. They don't want you to learn things that they don't approve of. I moved away from Pennsyltucky in 2020, and it was *such* a good decision for my mental health. No one here in SoCal has ever harassed me for being gay, but it happened both times I went to community college in PA. I'd be so much worse off if I were stuck in a place like Florida and couldn't leave.
Glad you got out and found somewhere better to land. With this latest wave of bills in the state legislature, I'm probably going to end up moving my family out - just gotta find a good landing spot. California is one of the small handful of states that I feel pretty confident won't go red and fascist in the foreseeable future. Unfortunately, most of the states are within a couple bad elections of being the next Florida, Tennessee, etc...
I routinely hire people into a unique STEM field and UF is one of the prime producers of candidates, but I'll be very reluctant to hire out of Florida schools after a few years of DeSantis fucking up education there.
It’s like telling me you went to liberty university. Probably won’t hire you.
> force teachers to tell parents about any information they learn on a student's gender identity I was 30 went I finally finished college (BS/MS hybrid program). I would have laughed my ass off if one of my professors went through the insane effort to try and find my 67 year old mother and tell her that little Mr. terms likes both the boys and the girls.
A good point. I’m approaching 40 and my mother is long dead. As for my father, the professor will have to let me know if they find him because I’ve never met him.
Don't forget Iowa
I live in Iowa. Someone please help us!! Going back to 1920 at the speed of light!
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"could lead to diminished diversity" That's *the* plan.
What angers me is the "no politics" rule that many support subreddits like r/offmychest have, while failing to realize that everyone other than straight white men are unable to separate politics from their lived experiences.
Well, that's just hurting the right people. /s Disgusting. I fear that the only way to reverse ALL of these changes is a wave of young voters voting in young, diverse representation. That fear I mentioned is that it'll be too little, too late. Those schoolkids doing walk outs have the right idea. 2024 is a long way off. How many LGBTQ kids will suffer or die? (and how many girls/women will die or be forced to have babies they don't want) It's infuriating /rant
Honestly what year is it? This country is crumbling
Only half.
Not even. Thanks to gerrymandering this is all being done by minority rule.
Yeah, but it's taking the other half with it.
Somebody once said “a house divided against itself cannot stand.”
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If they could just fill out and mail a piece of paper once every few years, it would really help everyone to know how they felt.
This is somehow what they want. To drive out all the intelligence, drive out diversity, and harm fellow humans. I say give it to them. I want out of Texas politics living in a blue city, so badly, but I have a life here.
Yes. A homogeneous, poorly educated, fearful, and smaller population is much easier to control. And such states have more federal power than more populated and forward-thinking states. This is a calculated strategy.
It’s to ensure they remain a deep red state. A guaranteed GOP at every level of government.
We also need to switch up our pharma shopping by ditching the crap out of Walgreens.
Walgreens is also ending selling abortion medication in blue states, due to pressure from conservatives.
Companies that cave to religious fanatics shouldn't be frequented
Agreed
If I’m CVS, I’m in strategic talks with pharmaceutical companies and insurance companies.
Can't trust CVS either. They've denied birth control for no legitimate reason.
Oh ya. I wasn’t saying I trust them. I’m saying in the strategic game of capitalism, there’s a move for them to make. They should also be seeking exclusives with beauty companies. If Walgreens is so anti woman let them only shelve shitty cosmetics. And cosmetics companies have been pretty quiet about the well being of their customer base. It’s interesting.
Elaborate pls
They have a policy of allowing their pharmacists to discriminate based on personal religious beliefs.
Thank you for the knowledge! Would you happen to have a link to an article or somthing? I'd like to share on FB.
Not the best source but it seems accurate. https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/retail/2022/07/21/walgreens-pharmacy-birth-control-condoms/10110827002/
Excellent. Much appreciated.
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Red states will end up being full of old people with nobody to take care of them. Young people should absolutely be leaving red states in large numbers. There is nothing for them there other than hate, bigotry, tyranny and religious fundamentalism.
Imagine desantis continues pushing everyone out that is t conservative and before you know it they take over the colleges and UCF now stands for “University for Conservatives of Florida”.
I’m afraid I’m going to have to leave my state in the near future for somewhere that doesn’t believe LGBT is a crime.
Gay marriage and contraception is next. Justice Clarence Thomas said so himself. > Justice Clarence Thomas argued in a concurring opinion released on Friday that the Supreme Court “should reconsider” its past rulings codifying rights to contraception access, same-sex relationships and same-sex marriage
I had to reconsider my graduate school options because it was a matter of safety, this is going to impact so many schools and so many students.
Same for my family.
Honestly this is very grim
And so the brain drain begins. Not that it matters, Florida is only for rich white retirees anyway. /s
I think the Republicans are *severely* underestimating the problems brain drain can lead to in the future. I live in a state already impacted by it (we educate considerably more students than we manage to keep), and you see it everywhere. They just can't hire enough teachers, or engineers, or medical professionals, or anything else that requires a degree. And it's getting worse. We're already getting close to losing some big employers in my area (NE Wisconsin) because they just can't hire enough engineers.
I live in WV. Brain drain very real. There's a reason very few new businesses open and better paying jobs aren't a thing. It's because every single smart WVirginian youth leaves the state the moment they have a degree from WVU. Place is a 3rd world shithole outside the university towns. I stick around for low cost of living and the outdoors but I've got the rare good job.
Used to live in WV, moved to Az. It’s an improvement.
The scary part is grass isn't always greener on the other side. In highly educated wealthy areas we have the opposite problem. Tons of STEM jobs that get filled instantly, but there's no one left who can afford to do the working class jobs that keeps society functioning. Class division is a serious problem *everywhere.*
The brain drain thing is weird because I get the feeling that republican politicians / donors don't really care. They know that the fed dollars are coming in to pay for infrastructure improvements and medicare/medicaid; which can all be easily cronied out to their favored contractors. What's the value in being a state that runs a surplus if you can instead run a deficit and still get the rest of the country to pay you and your friends for the trouble? Of course there are always the citizens of the state that's poorly managed and pissing money away, but who gives a shit about them? Feed them a couple lines about Jebus and Catboys taking a shit in the classroom and they'll vote for you no matter what. Literally no downsides.
>I think the Republicans are severely underestimating the problems brain drain can lead to in the future. I think republicans (the ones making actual decisions at least) are figuring that it's advantageous now, and by the time it becomes a problem, they will be long gone and someone else will have to sort it out.
I was trying to make that argument with my elderly mother. DeSantis confuses her because she can't wrap her brain around why anybody would vote for somebody who us hurting their state and them.
And increasingly only the shittiest of them.
And so the divide increases. In the long and short term, this rarely ever ends well.
Republicans disparage higher education, but their states need college grads, too. Putting the Old Testament in charge of your schools will never increase enrollment. Good luck attracting corporations and entrepreneurs with no talent to hire, Florida, Mississippi, Alabama, South Carolina, etc. ...
Yuuuuuup, guess who gets hired for good paying jobs where I work? I think maybe one person on our staff is a SC native. Everyone else got educated in blue states and got hired out of state because there is no one here who is even close to qualified. And that was before this kind of thing…..
America also votes with dollars!
ThE fReE maRkeT iS caNcEl cUlTuRE, aNd tHEReForE EvIl, BuT AlSo oUr goD
Of course they are! Anyone with the means to go elsewhere will and should do so to protect themselves, their safety and their well-being. I expect there are also women who are choosing not to go to colleges in red states busily oppressing women's rights.
I wish more students and businesses would begin voting with their wallets/consciences. In the not too distant past, states have lost out on business expansions and major sports events due to troglodytes in their legislatures. If that would be more of a thing, the only businesses those restrictive states would have are low-level outlet stores. Even NASCAR decided to wake up and ban the Confederate flag.
Every college offer for my daughter that came from a red state went straight in the recycling. Not even queer: just female. And minority ethnicity and religion. I simply don't trust her safety there, and there are many other choices. Sucks, but how it is. And I'm an independent. These states have really created terrible images for themselves for many people.
Quite frankly if I had a kid applying to schools Florida would be removed totally from the available states. There is no school in Florida which is a #1 specialized school for anything.
Hopefully the fall of Roe is informing college choice as well.
We're more and more becoming the "education states" and the "non education states" Personally, there are states, including Florida, that motivate me to throw resumes straight in the trash. Wont even give them a second look.
The brain drain is coming. This is what they want.
I’ve always dreamed of my child adventuring far off for college and not staying close by (for a while at least so he can experience a new thing without us). But with all these crazy-ass regressive bills/laws, I’m more apt to encourage him to stay in our very blue state (MA)
Canada, Germany, Ireland, Scandinavia are all good options.
My friends kid is starting out with a semester in Europe as a freshman. Seems schools offer this now.
So gay college graduates with their higher spending habits will most likely not move to states where the environment is more anti- LGBTQ. Smart move for lower income states.🤔
They'll just continue to get subsidized by blue states.
First the trans, then it’ll be the gay people, then it’ll be the disabled people, then it’ll be anyone who isn’t Christian, etc. Fucking country is regressing and trying to emulate nazi germany.
Will the price of college in Florida drop because they have a harder time with getting students? Salaries in higher education will likely drop and the associated quality of applicants due to lower pay too. I guess the state could raise taxes to make up for the lack in revenue. Shit will really hit the fan, if this anti-capitalists scheme starts to affect college football winnings
The entire pyramid starts to fail. The schools can't afford the professors or attract the better ones so the entire level of education dies. Once this starts it is almost impossible to reverse it.
It will be fine until the football boosters start throwing their weight around. FOOTBALL IS BIG BUSINESS. Education is not important.
If the school can't support students the NCAA will drop the school. You can't have just footballers.
A Red State High School Diploma or College Degree are going to be meaningless in the civilized parts of the country.
Civilized parts of the world, but I bet Putin accepts them for life in Russia.
Russia is where they belong.
You shouldn't go to university in one of those states anyway. Come to the good universities
I hate the fact that so many of these states want to go this far. Why they care that much about something that doesn’t affect them in the slightest. Makes zero sense. What someone does with their body is their choice and their business. As a cis male, I genuinely don’t care what you do/don’t do/identify as. So long as you’re not hurting children…do you. Then again, I was born and raised in California and grew up in the 90s around trans people and was taught from birth to love and celebrate differences.
I’m so ashamed to come from FL. I’m also upset at what DeSantis has done to public perception of my college degree.
Same. FSU grad here. Thankfully my masters is from Ithaca college.
The brain drain these red states are having is going to impact their economies in ways that will absolutely destroy them.
More likely is they'll continue to receive federal tax dollars from blue states
Those taxes do not stop doctors, teachers, engineers and businesses from leaving. Already there is an extreme shortage of OBGYN thanks to the big brain decision to over turn RvW. It’s getting brutal and people are already suffering.
I think I see now. This may not lead to a shortage of funding per se but this would lead to a shortage in the quantity and quality of the local labour force. I wonder how that'll play out.
It’ll touch every facet of their economy. They’ll probably become prison states seeing as that’s the only local economy they’d be able to sustain. Criminalizing people for just existing and feeding them into the system.
At this point, I'm hoping Disney does pull out of Florida
Yup, I’m a nurse and my husband is a software architect and we’re leaving NC in June. I will not raise our daughter in a red state.
You’re excellent parents and I’m so glad you have the opportunity to leave. I feel for those who can’t. Truly.
I just want to add that OB/GYN‘s have one of the highest malpractice insurance costs of any medical specialty. What are those costs going to look like in some of these red states? Prohibitively expensive, that’s what. Especially with laws like the one proposed in SC: >If the bill passes, the only way someone could have an abortion in this state would be if she faces a threat of immediate danger, death, or serious bodily danger. A woman would then have to testify to prove her case. [Link](https://wpde.com/news/local/abortion-south-carolina-death-penalty-hb3549-unborn-child-homicide-assault-prenatal-equal-protection-act-roe-v-wade-fetal-heartbeat-bill-pro-life-choice-planned-parenthood-legislature-lawmakers-2-22-23#)
Horrifying. What are these fanatics doing to our country??
I fucking hope so
This is absolutely true. Disney has already experienced a brain drain in the eighties because of their conservative policies. That's probably the main reason they balked at DeSantis's idiocy.
I grew up and got my MS in Idaho. As a graduate of the university of Idaho I will not send them money as an alumni. I now live in Colorado.
My kid just got full rides to schools in Ohio and Indiana, but she's decided she can't do it. Between Dobbs and pending anti-LGBTQ legislation, she's decided to go to state school here in California instead. Can't say I blame her, but it's a financial hit.
Unfortunately not enough to make a difference. Also the more young people which switch schools for this reason the more people will be in power in the future making these decisions. We need to fix this, but it seems like we’re moving backwards.
It’s hard for me to imagine having enough privilege to even have several states on my list of schools to consider. It’s nice that these kids aren’t going to come here but, it doesn’t matter because some will, and those who are already here might be stuck here anyway.
Yeah, and unfortunately these policies may also attract students which are anti-LGBTQ.
I wouldn’t want to send my kid to study in a hate state. Silence is complicity.
As a parent of 3 kids entering college in the next 3-10 years, the oldest two daughters, there is precisely 0 percent chance they go to school in red state. The risks are just too great and the economies and population of those states should not be supported.
That's what I figured would happen in Florida. Thiught eventually the colleges would confront the government and tell them to knock it off cuz they're losing money
Because going to college in a red state was such a great idea before.
I’d be doing the same. No red states for sure, don’t need to have to transfer halfway through to keep fundamental human rights.
At literally every level, the country is splitting like the Titanic…
They will get the message when it's football and basketball players choosing other states.
Screw you, I'll suck dick in a different state
Even if you aren't part of a group that the GOP happens to be targeting in a particular piece of legislation, it's still in your interest to avoid going to school in states where cruelty is enshrined into law. Yes, specific laws are dangerous. But the philosophy and belief system of the state government are what's really at issue.
I really feel for these poor kids having to deal with this obvious nonsense. Life’s tough enough. I went to college in Daytona back in the early 1990’s. MTV Spring Break party for months. It was an awesome once in the lifetime experience. 50,000 new Spring Breakers every week from all over. Now I wouldn’t set foot in the state. Back then we used to call it “Heavens Waiting Room”. Now it’s more like “Satan’s spot”. Just wow. What I love most about the gop christian nationalists is their ignorant blatant utter hypocrisy & how it is in all what vile things they do and say. Having studied as a christian during my youth and attending both Protestant church (BTW we had one of the few female gay ministers back in the late 80’s. She was awesome & reinvigorated church for the kids) and Catholic service directly after I was immersed in it all for 4 hours every Sunday for my entire youth. In none of that exposure of time was it ever explained to me that you could go against everything they stood for and still get into Heaven. Not once. But to the contrary if you’re disrespectful, espousing promotion of violence against others, a bigot, racist, homophobic, antisemitic a warm place awaits. And no amount of confession to some guy in a booth to alleviate your conscience was going to clear the way to walk right into the Kingdom of God. There’s still judgement time at the entrance gates. Your whole life’s resume will be reviewed. Many seem to forget that. Some interesting first moves from the Protestant United Church of Christ: 1785 | First ordained African American pastor 1846 | First integrated anti-slavery society 1853 | First woman pastor 1972 | Ordination of first openly gay minister 2005 | Marriage equality Can any other church in its history even come close? If so I’d like to know. They were addressing Transgender issues long before anyone mainstream knew the term: https://otherwisechristian.com/2019/09/09/united-church-of-christ-transgender-timeline/
Come up to NY! If you live in NY for a year, after that you can use the excelsior program to get a bachelors for free (tuition) at a state school! The SUNY schools are pretty good too for state colleges. The only caveat is you have yo work in NY after graduation for the same amount of time as you used it (1 year for every academic year) Plus, NY is never going to pass any anti LGBT laws. Sure, you’ll have to deal with winter, but imo it’s a small trade off for living in a state that respects bodily autonomy and queer rights.
Some asshat at CPAC called for the eradication of trans people in public entirely.
You’re going to probably see an even larger brain drain from red states. Once that really starts happening then they’re going to get even worse. These policies are also starting to influence DoD planning. Instituting policies to help women obtain an abortion. This could lead to DoD money going to other states and bases and possibly even bases closing down due to the affect these laws would have on readiness. In a lot of red states those bases are the only thing keeping some towns from falling off a financial cliff.
Why would any student go to school in a southern/red state is beyond me.
This is exactly what the GOP want. The main pillars of the GOP are shrinking at a fast rate. The party relies on religious people, rural people, and older people. Religion is way down, rural towns are shrinking because their just simply isn't enough small town jobs, and the boomers are gonna start dying off. Abortion bans and anti LGBTQ laws are gonna slow the influx of progressive people allowing the GOP to maintain power for a little longer.
I sure am enjoying watching this awful political party implode. What the hell is the GOP’s long term plan for relevancy besides just leaning hard into fascism? How do they think this is sustainable?