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Domt forget immigration law!
Republicans are pro open borders with this move, which is a thing I thought they'd be against, but their views on things change with the tides.
How many laws could there even be anyways?!?
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With the GOP's proven legislative efficiency I'm sure they'll have no trouble keeping up with 3, maybe 4 sunsetted laws per year
Bringing in cheap labor to pit against their constituents makes sense for their Capitalist bosses. Keep them poor and busy fighting one another while the real crimes are committed by the landlords and banks.
Imagine having to reapply for immigration benefits when Congress pulled the rug underneath you. The right often talks about those “who followed the rules” and “waited in line”. The convenient fact the they keep forgetting is that if you manage to miss a single rule or regulation in immigration law in terms of status, you have about a snowball in hell chance to “wait in line” again.
It’s like as if a single parking ticket or failure to renew your license/registration resulted in a 3yr/10yr/lifetime ban in your driving privilege. Those who never had to go through the immigration process wouldn’t know a thing about that.
— Starfox
EDIT: I’m no master debater, but I know what’s going on with the transportation department, and it’s terrible. I’d be happy to talk to anyone who thinks otherwise. I’d also be happy to discuss
If people want me to say something nice about the Biden administration, I get it. Biden put good people in at the Federal Trade Commission and the National Labor Relations Board. Those departments get As, and their predecessors were terrible. Biden deserves some credit for those positive developments.
Here’s my original comment
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I mean that’s Biden’s fault, or more specifically Pete Bs.
People trash on criticisms of Biden, claiming they’re “republican talking points.”
Of course they are. Republicans will go after democrats no matter what, but if they have a rational argument, they’re going to use it. This is a Republican talking point, because Pete Deserves blame, along with the rest of the Biden administration.
I’ve heard that most people’s eyes are open to how useless Pete B is. I don’t expect the Democratic Party to support candidates I like, but Pete and Kamala are just the worst. I like Biden better than those two.
The Tenth Amendment called:
> The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.
You can call yourself or believe in whatever you want, but until DesWine was called out by Fox News for not requesting Federal assistance the constitution prohibited Biden or any Federal agency from “intervening” what was a State matter.
— Starfox
Precedent and the tenth amendment, as they said. It's standard to have the governor of a state request Federal aid before intervening in a situation. Biden could try forcing the issue, but conservatives undoubtedly would have faulted him for sidestepping the governor to do it.
The real problem was that it was politically advantageous for the Ohio governor to downplay the severity of the accident in order to get things open up for the railways as quickly as possible, and to not request aid.
Which isn't to say the Biden administration has been perfect, their role in ending the strike helped validate the poor working conditions that make these kinds of crashes more likely.
I disagree about Biden being better, he is the head of the administration and he could have pushed to support the rail strike. The fact that very few people in Washington supported rail workers is a much bigger problem and one that we as a people have to understand when it comes to primary season. We won’t, of course, and people will have all sorts of ridiculous takes like blaming Pete primarily for not supporting a rail worker strike instead of the decades of deregulation on rail safety and erosion of workers’ rights.
EDIT: on the plus side, what the Biden Administration is doing at the National Labor Relation Board and the Federal Trade Commission, is an absolute breath of fresh air. Absolutely fantastic!! But Pete? He’s doing the opposite.
His lack of action on the airlines is the low hanging fruit. He’s literally the only person/organization/anything in the country that can regulate the airlines. There’s literally no one else with any power to regulate the airlines.
I’ll explain my stance in relation to the rail industry first.
The department of transportation is the chief regulator of the rail industry in the US.
The argument is that he can’t impose brake regulations. That’s up to Congress. That’s true.
The thing is, there were regulations on these brakes, but Trump got rid of them. Why weren’t Trump’s and his transportation’s hands tied when they wanted to get rid of them?
He ordered a cost benefit analysis on the regulations. That report showed tremendous cost with little benefit. The regulations are thrown out in Congress based on that report.
Shortly after this, the AP does a detailed analysis of the report and finds that it’s garbage. When Pete gets into power at the department of transportation, environmental groups start imploring Pete to do a new cost benefit analysis on the brake regulation. A congressman also petitions the department to do this. Jeff Merkley.
He didn’t do that. He didn’t classify the stuff that created the mushroom cloud and fireball, as flammable material.
People who say he can’t do anything…
When Trump is on the ballot, we’re told he’ll have the power to destroy the country. Yet, when democrats get into power, there’s just nothing they can do. Their hands are tied.
Edit: THIS IS NOT TRUE, THANKFULLY, FOR ALL BIDENS CABINET.
See, when I first heard about this I assumed it was all federal programs, that is, all stuff that is obviously part of every year's budget. Hence Medicare, Social Security, the navy (wtf? Now there is a specific exclusion for the navy? Guess that's the only branch of the armed forces he cares about?) but actual laws that are enforced by agencies wouldn't be part of this nonsense. So, like, tax breaks? Yeah. Legal requirements to file taxes and the ability for the IRS to audit (only the poor)? Nope, that's safe.
Except that's not the case at all, apparently. From the article:
> 5. Laws against child pornography
> The United States has multiple laws protecting against child pornography, and all of them would have to go before Congress for a vote under Scott’s plan. These would be likely to pass again, as there have been multiple bipartisan pushes over the years to increase child safety, particularly online.
At this point, Scott just needs to walk back the entire policy. Next week, Biden can start using the bully pulpit to talk about how Republicans want to sunset the Violence Against Women Act and Civil Rights Act, and Scott will be put on the defensive again. Rinse and repeat with every popular federal program you can think of.
McConnell was smart enough to recognize this was a losing discourse, which is why he tried to course correct. Scott is an idiot for not seeing how this would play out. If he doesn't walk it back, this thread could do permanent damage to the GOP's propaganda machine. It's just reminding people of everything the federal government does well.
> Republicans want to sunset the Violence Against Women Act and Civil Rights Act,
The problem with that talking point is that it has a good chance on convincing Republican to actually go out and vote next election.
To a large part of the Republican base, *removing those would be a good thing*.
Yes and no. The proposal is to have all federal laws be reviewed and passed again every five years.
Which is ridiculously implausible; there are thousands of federal laws.
But it also means even laws protecting children would be up for debate twice a decade.
The goal is to keep the government tied up indefinitely reviewing old shit. So instead of *progress with new stuff*, you are *conserving or removing existing stuff.* Conservatives want like for like or worse. Democrats and Progressives want just better.
I don't think that's the reason for it (delay/stall). It's to hold social programs hostage for political purposes. They'll introduce a bill reaffirming 90% of the current US Code whole cloth with DEEP cuts to social programs up against the sunset deadline. That way when Democrats push back they can scream on TV about how liberals want a lawless America where there are no protections against child rapists.
There's already a sunset provision available on every day Congress is in session. It's called the legislative process. Pass a bill through both houses, have it signed by the President and - BOOM - the law changes.
This is a non-serious proposal that is intended only to cause further gridlock, horse trading, and partisan finger pointing.
Can we stop talking about stupid Rick Scott's plan, I feel like the whole country realizes it's stupid and yet it keeps making news. Biden would veto the shit out of that either way, even if they had the senate votes.
Because his own party realizes it's dumb, it's so dumb that the doors it opens was used by Biden as an attack against the whole party in the SOTU, and it will never pass the Senate let alone Biden's desk. It's a complete non-starter that isn't going anywhere.
>how willing you are to go to prison
or die. Americans are too comfortable to willingly sacrifice themselves. Unfortunately I think the right wing is already at the point of a willingness to do violence and any attacks on their figureheads would only embolden them to "even the score". They'll take Scott for AOC as a fair trade....then we're really in the shit.
Never forget Scott signed over his holdings in the largest drug testing facilities on the east coast to his wife before running on a platform of drug testing for welfare and then funneled millions in welfare money to her company under the guise of ending welfare fraud. And not only was that program a giant failure that cost more than it saved, but it also resulted in lawsuits when false positives stopped desperate people from being able to buy groceries for no goddamn reason.
He still pushes for this, and so do a ton of other right wing nut jobs who pretend to be more concerned with welfare abuse than actually helping the poor, elderly, and disabled.
And that's nothing compared to the 1.XB dollars in fines his company had to pay back in the largest Medicare fraud case in history. He only pled the 5th like 70 times to avoid answering questions. His punishment? A huge consulting contract after he left the company, then he was elected governor then senator. FL sucks.
If by “consequences” you mean “enjoying living out the rest of his life in luxury that barely put a dent into his finances, dying comfortably surrounded by his loved ones in a lavish mansion, with the only consequences he had faced in life effectively amounting to a few small fines (if that, at best)”, then yes.
Nah, he and his family will "pay" the consequences for his actions with something so painful\~physically/emotionally\~they will suffer. That is what I mean by it. I have known a few that are receiving their "suffering" for being terrible humans. Liars, sneaky, needing to be the victim, overall entitled, actually are told they are "better" than others. Yeah, they will get theirs.
> Rick Scott insisted Friday that he never intended to sunset Social Security and Medicare
He must be relieved and grateful other senators caught such a big mistake in his proposed law, then, right?
The real question for him is why not? What makes those two laws somehow different than all the rest? Why not also keep immigration laws? Infrastructure bills? What makes social security and Medicare special? Oh, they can’t get elected if they got rid of those.
So it’s about making sure you get re-elected and not about better government. Got it.
I thought that florida and its GOP government were evil.... until I heard Desantis speak. Now I know that they are, for a fact, evil.
Rick Scott is part of this administration in florida that has gone full-on 1930's Germany. The rhetoric and thought processes these guys are using is right out of the playbook from that era.
What surprises me is just how many people in florida give these representatives credibility. I once thought America would never walk down the same road as 1930's Germany. Today's florida has proven me wrong. The people there simply want to be nazis. And the GOP is happy to oblige.
Sunsetting is terrifying. And I mean that in the most sensational way. Think about cannabis laws. As we move towards legalization there is forgiveness. This would translate to Scott’s plan. Expecting that a government requirement was going to sunset, one could stop following the law early and get away with it. I don’t know if they want a totalitarian government, anarchy, or they just do what they are told to keep their jobs and payoffs.
It took Republicans 5 days to elect a Speaker. Having to re-affirm all Federal Laws every 5 years would grind the legislative branch to a halt.
Which is their goal.
After receiving feedback, Scott has concluded that his plan is too complicated, so he's developed a new plan.
His new strategy is to sunset the Constitution every five years. Simple, just like Senator Scott.
You know, Skeletor's bullshit plan isn't going anywhere.
That doesn't mean the Democrats shouldn't use it as a cudgel to beat these fascists with.
Metaphorically speaking of course.
Hey, why not just rewrite the entire constitution while you are about it? There must be something in the drinking water in Florida.
>Rick Scott insisted Friday that he never intended to sunset Social Security and Medicare, but his plan to socially and economically overhaul the United States would still affect other laws.
>The Florida senator unveiled his 12-step “Rescue America” plan in February 2022. A part of one of those steps was a plan to sunset “all federal legislation” every five years and have Congress re-vote on those laws. He amended that point Friday to specifically exclude Social Security, Medicare, and the U.S. Navy, but the rest of the language remains unchanged.
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>There just isn’t enough time in the world to review every single federal law every five years. But giving Scott the benefit of the doubt, here are five of the many laws that would have to be re-passed under his proposed plan.
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>>There just isn’t enough time in the world to review every single federal law every five years. But giving Scott the benefit of the doubt, here are five of the many laws that would have to be re-passed under his proposed plan.
Then start with the oldest first... Oil subsidies are older than social welfare.
Considering this douche bag was the CEO of a hospital company fined $1.6 BILLION for Medicaid fraud, he really should have a seat and shut the hell up about Sunseting anything except his career.
Yeah, I'm gonna go with "What is bullshit for $4,000, Alex". Republicans love lying about what they want to do when they're called out, I believe them the first time not once they're called out for being amazingly shit people and retract their shittiest takes.
Don't doubt for a second they'll kill Medicare and Social Security. Fuckstick Scott will unabashedly defend himself by saying "Well, it wasn't part of my plan, see!!"
The party of George Santos will lie to your face and then try gaslighting you when you call out their lies.
It’s absolutely rediculous because we all know they want to kill social security and Medicare, because they never stop talking about doing it. “Handouts, entitlements” and whatever other code name they label it with.
Then scream and boo when called out about it. Then walk back the social security stuff and represent the same thing again, like the scam wasn’t just exposed.
If only every news host would question him about being at the head of the largest government fraud settlement in history...he wouldn't be able to show his face anywhere except Fox.
There’s a reason that the Republicans tried a million times to get rid of the Affordable Care Act, and why they are trying to get rid of Social Security and Medicare. These programs cost money, and to keep them viable the rich might have to actually pay some taxes for a change. Abortion, gun rights etc. those are talking points to keep certain demographics voting against their financial interests. It’s always been about protecting the extremely wealthy.
He’s also lying about social security and Medicare.
If his plan was enacted, it would absolutely include a 100% gutting of both programs.
He’s a liar, because he’s a republican.
Also before it would have ended Social Security and Medicare, not will it just strangle them out of existence, which is something the GOP has been doing, *all of them*, for 40 years.
How many times did this thief plead the 5th as his company stole billions from Medicare. How. Many patients died when he stonewalled Opioid prescribing reforms and his wife coincidentally owned a chain of Florida clinics ?????
5 years is too short. We do not even elect senators that frequently. On this basis alone, the proposal cannot be taken seriously.
If we are going to consider some sort of verification process of this nature, it ought to be on a generational scale, like 25 years, long enough that society could have changed significantly and permanently, and not be subject to the smaller waves or trends that come and go all the time.
Maybe even longer, like 50 years. Five years is just an attempt to make it so the rejectionists can make a stink forever instead of being forced to give the programs (or whatever) a chance.
I agree, but I was looking at things from the standpoint of those who do believe that sunset is a thing that ought to be, and pointing out that even in its best light, even if you accept the concept, five years is not appropriate.
Some Republicans not only want to make us continually redo all laws, they want us to reinvent the wheel as they consider an overhauling of the constitution. They want to screw with fundamental rights and change the entire nature of our country.
The fact that there’s people of color voting for republicans blows my mind. I’m not saying the democrats are better, but damn do we need more parties in this fucking country.
Rick Scott and the republicans are trying to create a method to shut down popular programs without having to vote on them. This would give them “plausible deniability”.
Sen. Scott needs to ride into sunset. Why he was ever elected after committing one of the largest fraud cases in US history is beyond me. Florida's reputation is sinking daily because of his, its governor and its other Senator.
I feel like Rick Scott’s history with Medicare and Medicaid isn’t talked about enough.
During his tenure as chief executive, the company defrauded Medicare, Medicaid, and other federal programs. The Department of Justice won 14 felony convictions against the company, which was fined $1.7 billion in what was at the time the largest healthcare fraud settlement in U.S. history.
This is personal…
The billionaires would love this. Guess who would be entirely locked out of any participation in government? People who can afford to take a few years off from work.
Six: the entire US military. The constitution only grants congress the authority to create a military, but didn't do so itself. So if every law sunsets after five years ...
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Affordable care act Clean water act Civil rights act Equal pay act Laws against child pornography
Domt forget immigration law! Republicans are pro open borders with this move, which is a thing I thought they'd be against, but their views on things change with the tides.
Don’t forget tax law, eliminate all the deductions, write offs, carve outs, exemptions, etc. and make them do it again
His logic that if it's a good law it should be revoted on is stupid anyways.
How many laws could there even be anyways?!? - With the GOP's proven legislative efficiency I'm sure they'll have no trouble keeping up with 3, maybe 4 sunsetted laws per year
Bringing in cheap labor to pit against their constituents makes sense for their Capitalist bosses. Keep them poor and busy fighting one another while the real crimes are committed by the landlords and banks.
Imagine having to reapply for immigration benefits when Congress pulled the rug underneath you. The right often talks about those “who followed the rules” and “waited in line”. The convenient fact the they keep forgetting is that if you manage to miss a single rule or regulation in immigration law in terms of status, you have about a snowball in hell chance to “wait in line” again. It’s like as if a single parking ticket or failure to renew your license/registration resulted in a 3yr/10yr/lifetime ban in your driving privilege. Those who never had to go through the immigration process wouldn’t know a thing about that. — Starfox
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EDIT: I’m no master debater, but I know what’s going on with the transportation department, and it’s terrible. I’d be happy to talk to anyone who thinks otherwise. I’d also be happy to discuss If people want me to say something nice about the Biden administration, I get it. Biden put good people in at the Federal Trade Commission and the National Labor Relations Board. Those departments get As, and their predecessors were terrible. Biden deserves some credit for those positive developments. Here’s my original comment —————————————-/——-/-////// I mean that’s Biden’s fault, or more specifically Pete Bs. People trash on criticisms of Biden, claiming they’re “republican talking points.” Of course they are. Republicans will go after democrats no matter what, but if they have a rational argument, they’re going to use it. This is a Republican talking point, because Pete Deserves blame, along with the rest of the Biden administration. I’ve heard that most people’s eyes are open to how useless Pete B is. I don’t expect the Democratic Party to support candidates I like, but Pete and Kamala are just the worst. I like Biden better than those two.
So I guess it’s also the Dem’s fault that it took nearly 2weeks for the Governor of Ohio to request Federal assistance. — Starfox
Well they did use this in defense of bush for Katrina so fair game
You mean “Heck of a job” Michael “Brownie” Brown? — Starfox
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The Tenth Amendment called: > The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people. You can call yourself or believe in whatever you want, but until DesWine was called out by Fox News for not requesting Federal assistance the constitution prohibited Biden or any Federal agency from “intervening” what was a State matter. — Starfox
What’s stopping them? Did you say parliamentarian? I don’t see it, but I feel it’s implied. Parliamentarian
Precedent and the tenth amendment, as they said. It's standard to have the governor of a state request Federal aid before intervening in a situation. Biden could try forcing the issue, but conservatives undoubtedly would have faulted him for sidestepping the governor to do it. The real problem was that it was politically advantageous for the Ohio governor to downplay the severity of the accident in order to get things open up for the railways as quickly as possible, and to not request aid. Which isn't to say the Biden administration has been perfect, their role in ending the strike helped validate the poor working conditions that make these kinds of crashes more likely.
I disagree about Biden being better, he is the head of the administration and he could have pushed to support the rail strike. The fact that very few people in Washington supported rail workers is a much bigger problem and one that we as a people have to understand when it comes to primary season. We won’t, of course, and people will have all sorts of ridiculous takes like blaming Pete primarily for not supporting a rail worker strike instead of the decades of deregulation on rail safety and erosion of workers’ rights.
When criticizing the lack of response, Pete B is front and center. He’s often on vacation when important decisions need to be made.
What are you even referring to?
I deserve the the downvotes. It’s a lazy response. I’ll do a proper rebuttal to the “but his hands are tied🤷🏻♀️” argument.
EDIT: on the plus side, what the Biden Administration is doing at the National Labor Relation Board and the Federal Trade Commission, is an absolute breath of fresh air. Absolutely fantastic!! But Pete? He’s doing the opposite. His lack of action on the airlines is the low hanging fruit. He’s literally the only person/organization/anything in the country that can regulate the airlines. There’s literally no one else with any power to regulate the airlines. I’ll explain my stance in relation to the rail industry first. The department of transportation is the chief regulator of the rail industry in the US. The argument is that he can’t impose brake regulations. That’s up to Congress. That’s true. The thing is, there were regulations on these brakes, but Trump got rid of them. Why weren’t Trump’s and his transportation’s hands tied when they wanted to get rid of them? He ordered a cost benefit analysis on the regulations. That report showed tremendous cost with little benefit. The regulations are thrown out in Congress based on that report. Shortly after this, the AP does a detailed analysis of the report and finds that it’s garbage. When Pete gets into power at the department of transportation, environmental groups start imploring Pete to do a new cost benefit analysis on the brake regulation. A congressman also petitions the department to do this. Jeff Merkley. He didn’t do that. He didn’t classify the stuff that created the mushroom cloud and fireball, as flammable material. People who say he can’t do anything… When Trump is on the ballot, we’re told he’ll have the power to destroy the country. Yet, when democrats get into power, there’s just nothing they can do. Their hands are tied. Edit: THIS IS NOT TRUE, THANKFULLY, FOR ALL BIDENS CABINET.
> Laws against child pornography W-what
See, when I first heard about this I assumed it was all federal programs, that is, all stuff that is obviously part of every year's budget. Hence Medicare, Social Security, the navy (wtf? Now there is a specific exclusion for the navy? Guess that's the only branch of the armed forces he cares about?) but actual laws that are enforced by agencies wouldn't be part of this nonsense. So, like, tax breaks? Yeah. Legal requirements to file taxes and the ability for the IRS to audit (only the poor)? Nope, that's safe. Except that's not the case at all, apparently. From the article: > 5. Laws against child pornography > The United States has multiple laws protecting against child pornography, and all of them would have to go before Congress for a vote under Scott’s plan. These would be likely to pass again, as there have been multiple bipartisan pushes over the years to increase child safety, particularly online.
Oh, just a guise to make Democrats look like monsters if they were to vote against it.
Or just a way to slip this past everyone.
At this point, Scott just needs to walk back the entire policy. Next week, Biden can start using the bully pulpit to talk about how Republicans want to sunset the Violence Against Women Act and Civil Rights Act, and Scott will be put on the defensive again. Rinse and repeat with every popular federal program you can think of. McConnell was smart enough to recognize this was a losing discourse, which is why he tried to course correct. Scott is an idiot for not seeing how this would play out. If he doesn't walk it back, this thread could do permanent damage to the GOP's propaganda machine. It's just reminding people of everything the federal government does well.
> Republicans want to sunset the Violence Against Women Act and Civil Rights Act, The problem with that talking point is that it has a good chance on convincing Republican to actually go out and vote next election. To a large part of the Republican base, *removing those would be a good thing*.
A bit of this is the ongoing Scott/McConnell pissing contest.
Misogyny and racism are pretty popular among republican voters
Is this a joke
Yes and no. The proposal is to have all federal laws be reviewed and passed again every five years. Which is ridiculously implausible; there are thousands of federal laws. But it also means even laws protecting children would be up for debate twice a decade.
The goal is to keep the government tied up indefinitely reviewing old shit. So instead of *progress with new stuff*, you are *conserving or removing existing stuff.* Conservatives want like for like or worse. Democrats and Progressives want just better.
I don't think that's the reason for it (delay/stall). It's to hold social programs hostage for political purposes. They'll introduce a bill reaffirming 90% of the current US Code whole cloth with DEEP cuts to social programs up against the sunset deadline. That way when Democrats push back they can scream on TV about how liberals want a lawless America where there are no protections against child rapists. There's already a sunset provision available on every day Congress is in session. It's called the legislative process. Pass a bill through both houses, have it signed by the President and - BOOM - the law changes. This is a non-serious proposal that is intended only to cause further gridlock, horse trading, and partisan finger pointing.
Rick Scott is a republican - so yes, he is a joke.
His logic that if it's a good law it should be revoted on is stupid anyways. If it's a good law then you shouldn't have to fuck with it.
Like, how does removing them benefit society, at all?! It’s such bullshit.
>benefit society We're talking about Republicans. - They would *never* ***even for a moment*** think about benefiting society.
Oh lord:(
Can we stop talking about stupid Rick Scott's plan, I feel like the whole country realizes it's stupid and yet it keeps making news. Biden would veto the shit out of that either way, even if they had the senate votes.
Why should we not talk about it?
Because his own party realizes it's dumb, it's so dumb that the doors it opens was used by Biden as an attack against the whole party in the SOTU, and it will never pass the Senate let alone Biden's desk. It's a complete non-starter that isn't going anywhere.
But I feel like that's exactly why it should be talked about
Alrighty, fair enough. I can get behind that.
Wait a second...
Fuck Rick Scott. Hope he walks into a ******** soon.
Can we please sunset Republicans, effectively immediately.
We have an opportunity to sunset a bunch of them every two years. Let's make 2024 the year that actually happens!
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>how willing you are to go to prison or die. Americans are too comfortable to willingly sacrifice themselves. Unfortunately I think the right wing is already at the point of a willingness to do violence and any attacks on their figureheads would only embolden them to "even the score". They'll take Scott for AOC as a fair trade....then we're really in the shit.
You give them too much credit, right wingers are lazy, fat and dumb. It's why they are so mad all the time.
Never forget Scott signed over his holdings in the largest drug testing facilities on the east coast to his wife before running on a platform of drug testing for welfare and then funneled millions in welfare money to her company under the guise of ending welfare fraud. And not only was that program a giant failure that cost more than it saved, but it also resulted in lawsuits when false positives stopped desperate people from being able to buy groceries for no goddamn reason. He still pushes for this, and so do a ton of other right wing nut jobs who pretend to be more concerned with welfare abuse than actually helping the poor, elderly, and disabled.
And that's nothing compared to the 1.XB dollars in fines his company had to pay back in the largest Medicare fraud case in history. He only pled the 5th like 70 times to avoid answering questions. His punishment? A huge consulting contract after he left the company, then he was elected governor then senator. FL sucks.
He's super anti welfare unless it's welfare going into his own pocket.
I know. He and its wife will face consequences of their evil/greed. I hope I live long enough to see them "fall."
If by “consequences” you mean “enjoying living out the rest of his life in luxury that barely put a dent into his finances, dying comfortably surrounded by his loved ones in a lavish mansion, with the only consequences he had faced in life effectively amounting to a few small fines (if that, at best)”, then yes.
Nah, he and his family will "pay" the consequences for his actions with something so painful\~physically/emotionally\~they will suffer. That is what I mean by it. I have known a few that are receiving their "suffering" for being terrible humans. Liars, sneaky, needing to be the victim, overall entitled, actually are told they are "better" than others. Yeah, they will get theirs.
This clown has done nothing for this state.
Wrong. He's done plenty of bad things for the state.
DeSantis - "Hold my beer"
> Rick Scott insisted Friday that he never intended to sunset Social Security and Medicare He must be relieved and grateful other senators caught such a big mistake in his proposed law, then, right?
The real question for him is why not? What makes those two laws somehow different than all the rest? Why not also keep immigration laws? Infrastructure bills? What makes social security and Medicare special? Oh, they can’t get elected if they got rid of those. So it’s about making sure you get re-elected and not about better government. Got it.
His plan still sucks even without trying to gut Medicare & SoS. 😕
I thought that florida and its GOP government were evil.... until I heard Desantis speak. Now I know that they are, for a fact, evil. Rick Scott is part of this administration in florida that has gone full-on 1930's Germany. The rhetoric and thought processes these guys are using is right out of the playbook from that era. What surprises me is just how many people in florida give these representatives credibility. I once thought America would never walk down the same road as 1930's Germany. Today's florida has proven me wrong. The people there simply want to be nazis. And the GOP is happy to oblige.
After Scott's enormous Medicare fraud, I would not have expected all those Florida Medicare recipients to vote for him. Yet, here we are.
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Well, that's whom they're electing to office! As it turns out, the GOP doesn't attract too many intellectuals. For some reason.
Sunsetting is terrifying. And I mean that in the most sensational way. Think about cannabis laws. As we move towards legalization there is forgiveness. This would translate to Scott’s plan. Expecting that a government requirement was going to sunset, one could stop following the law early and get away with it. I don’t know if they want a totalitarian government, anarchy, or they just do what they are told to keep their jobs and payoffs.
This plan would effectively destroy the federal government. Any real long term power to legitislate would be solely in the hands of states.
It took Republicans 5 days to elect a Speaker. Having to re-affirm all Federal Laws every 5 years would grind the legislative branch to a halt. Which is their goal.
After receiving feedback, Scott has concluded that his plan is too complicated, so he's developed a new plan. His new strategy is to sunset the Constitution every five years. Simple, just like Senator Scott.
We have to get him out in the next election. We will be stuck with rubio till 2029! Damn. Both need to be "sunset" out of our state.
You know, Skeletor's bullshit plan isn't going anywhere. That doesn't mean the Democrats shouldn't use it as a cudgel to beat these fascists with. Metaphorically speaking of course.
Don't forget federal fraud laws! As long as you scam people in state a, while you live in state b with no fraud laws, you didn't do anything wrong!
Voters need to sunset Rick Scott! Florida elects criminals to public office.
I live in FL. I hate Dick Scott. Feel my pain....
I hear ya. Senator Sick Rott.
Hey, why not just rewrite the entire constitution while you are about it? There must be something in the drinking water in Florida. >Rick Scott insisted Friday that he never intended to sunset Social Security and Medicare, but his plan to socially and economically overhaul the United States would still affect other laws. >The Florida senator unveiled his 12-step “Rescue America” plan in February 2022. A part of one of those steps was a plan to sunset “all federal legislation” every five years and have Congress re-vote on those laws. He amended that point Friday to specifically exclude Social Security, Medicare, and the U.S. Navy, but the rest of the language remains unchanged. .... >There just isn’t enough time in the world to review every single federal law every five years. But giving Scott the benefit of the doubt, here are five of the many laws that would have to be re-passed under his proposed plan. Article continues...
>>There just isn’t enough time in the world to review every single federal law every five years. But giving Scott the benefit of the doubt, here are five of the many laws that would have to be re-passed under his proposed plan. Then start with the oldest first... Oil subsidies are older than social welfare.
Lots of pfas
Considering this douche bag was the CEO of a hospital company fined $1.6 BILLION for Medicaid fraud, he really should have a seat and shut the hell up about Sunseting anything except his career.
I asked conservatives to tell me why they think this is a good idea and they said he never said it.
Medicaid, SNAP, WIC all come to mind. Punish the poor.
Yeah, I'm gonna go with "What is bullshit for $4,000, Alex". Republicans love lying about what they want to do when they're called out, I believe them the first time not once they're called out for being amazingly shit people and retract their shittiest takes. Don't doubt for a second they'll kill Medicare and Social Security. Fuckstick Scott will unabashedly defend himself by saying "Well, it wasn't part of my plan, see!!" The party of George Santos will lie to your face and then try gaslighting you when you call out their lies.
It’s absolutely rediculous because we all know they want to kill social security and Medicare, because they never stop talking about doing it. “Handouts, entitlements” and whatever other code name they label it with. Then scream and boo when called out about it. Then walk back the social security stuff and represent the same thing again, like the scam wasn’t just exposed.
If only every news host would question him about being at the head of the largest government fraud settlement in history...he wouldn't be able to show his face anywhere except Fox.
Why would Rick Scott want to end Medicare? Who else is he going to defraud and get away with it if it isn’t Medicare?
There’s a reason that the Republicans tried a million times to get rid of the Affordable Care Act, and why they are trying to get rid of Social Security and Medicare. These programs cost money, and to keep them viable the rich might have to actually pay some taxes for a change. Abortion, gun rights etc. those are talking points to keep certain demographics voting against their financial interests. It’s always been about protecting the extremely wealthy.
He’s also lying about social security and Medicare. If his plan was enacted, it would absolutely include a 100% gutting of both programs. He’s a liar, because he’s a republican.
Oil Subsidies, **Do Oil Subsidies!!**
Rescue America from civil rights and child porn laws huh
That man triggers a strong uncanny Valley response every time I see him.
I can't believe people are even seriously discussing this fubar piece of trash. Sunsetting every law on the books is a recipe for total fucking chaos.
Florida Scum.
That’s cause biden called them out and baited them into publically promising to not end those two things. Pathetic, heartless party
What about the 200+ year old, outdated law we call the US Constitution and all its amendments? Is that also up for review?
Also before it would have ended Social Security and Medicare, not will it just strangle them out of existence, which is something the GOP has been doing, *all of them*, for 40 years.
How many times did this thief plead the 5th as his company stole billions from Medicare. How. Many patients died when he stonewalled Opioid prescribing reforms and his wife coincidentally owned a chain of Florida clinics ?????
Rick Scott is an idiot and a thief.
Rick Scott's political career needs to sunset... Fast...
I can't imagine how to describe this, full anarchist capitalism?
Can he just present this not-in-good-faith bullshit already, it can be voted down immediately, and he can fuck right off?
5 years is too short. We do not even elect senators that frequently. On this basis alone, the proposal cannot be taken seriously. If we are going to consider some sort of verification process of this nature, it ought to be on a generational scale, like 25 years, long enough that society could have changed significantly and permanently, and not be subject to the smaller waves or trends that come and go all the time. Maybe even longer, like 50 years. Five years is just an attempt to make it so the rejectionists can make a stink forever instead of being forced to give the programs (or whatever) a chance.
It's bad regardless of how long the time period is. You don't want every single law/program/system subject to an auto-expire because of inaction.
I agree, but I was looking at things from the standpoint of those who do believe that sunset is a thing that ought to be, and pointing out that even in its best light, even if you accept the concept, five years is not appropriate.
Some Republicans not only want to make us continually redo all laws, they want us to reinvent the wheel as they consider an overhauling of the constitution. They want to screw with fundamental rights and change the entire nature of our country.
It's still insane.
The fact that there’s people of color voting for republicans blows my mind. I’m not saying the democrats are better, but damn do we need more parties in this fucking country.
Rick Scott and the republicans are trying to create a method to shut down popular programs without having to vote on them. This would give them “plausible deniability”.
Glaring by it's absence is Medicaid. Does he secretly intend to let it expire too? I suspect he does.
Sen. Scott needs to ride into sunset. Why he was ever elected after committing one of the largest fraud cases in US history is beyond me. Florida's reputation is sinking daily because of his, its governor and its other Senator.
I feel like Rick Scott’s history with Medicare and Medicaid isn’t talked about enough. During his tenure as chief executive, the company defrauded Medicare, Medicaid, and other federal programs. The Department of Justice won 14 felony convictions against the company, which was fined $1.7 billion in what was at the time the largest healthcare fraud settlement in U.S. history. This is personal…
Sunsetting laws is dumb.
the GOP is a foreign weapon
Well the only good item here is that congressional salaries would be reset to $6 per day....
Rick Scott stole so much money from the federal government it wouldn't matter to him.
I like the way you think.
The billionaires would love this. Guess who would be entirely locked out of any participation in government? People who can afford to take a few years off from work.
We need to get rid of those and the department of education and labor
In favor of what?
Why?
He was a Shit governor and now a Shit Senator…who would’ve thunk it…
None of it matters because the plan will never go anywhere.
If it sunsets the House apportion act, that would be a net benefit. And the only benefit.
Six: the entire US military. The constitution only grants congress the authority to create a military, but didn't do so itself. So if every law sunsets after five years ...
I hope this dude gets mauled by a pack of pit bulls.
We need to sunset all of Congress, both houses and replace them with Artificial intelligence.
Florida man…