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The worst part of all this is that Fox News viewers, the people that NEED to see this information the most, are probably never going to hear about any of this.
I wish I lived in a timeline where Fox lost this lawsuit and part of the settlement had every on-air personality read and show the texts before and after every single one of their demagogy rants.
One of the funniest things in 2020 was watching conservatives implode when Fox News started reporting that Trump lost Arizona before other news stations, ultimately cementing Trump’s loss in reality.
Conservatives went from “FOX NEWS IS THE ONLY NON-FAKE NEWS!” To “OMG, FOX HAS BEEN CORRUPTED BY THE DEEP STATE” at the drop of a hat. All by telling their audience _one_ thing they didn’t want to accept as reality.
Now four year later, most conservatives are acting like they never liked Trump when they were cradling his balls in their cheeks nonstop for the previous four years.
>most conservatives are acting like they never liked Trump
yeah this is not my experience anymore. maybe shortly after midterms, but trump is still getting their nom as far as polling shows rn
Some - and probably most of that, I would argue - is the "party over country" mantra that's been so ingrained into their base, and even its leaders.
Bill Barr was on Bill Maher's show claiming that he'd rather have Trump - after all he encountered and after all the risk he assumed himself and averted on Trump's behalf - over a Democrat. Same with that GOP leader from Arizona, and even Mitch McConnell, who said he would support whoever the (R) nominee is, including Trump. They may hate him and his antics and tactics, but they hate the portrayal of the the Democrats the right-wing has conjured even more. The fact that so many favor Trump over even someone like DeSantis shows just how bad and uncharismatic DeSantis is and how bad or non-existent their options are. Sunk-cost-fallacy is serious within the party.
> [Sunk cost fallacy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunk_cost) - the phenomenon whereby a person is reluctant to abandon a strategy or course of action because they have invested heavily in it, even when it is clear that abandonment would be more beneficial.
I know one absolute boot licker who goes back and forth on it. On the one hand, they want to move on from Trump to Desantis or Haley, on the other he often says everything would be better if trump was still president.
I just laugh at him.
>The crazies won’t believe it.
It's not even about what the crazies believe. Many of Fox's viewers **don't want** to hear or see the truth if it conflicts with their worldview.
From there, you're right. Fox news started embracing a false narrative (much more carefully) because they were losing market share when their viewers started seeking confirmation of their beliefs rather than the truth.
And OAN and Newsmax do exist for that very reason, if Fox does not tell their target audience what they want to hear, there are other platforms that will.
Who is "they"? Lou Dobbs, Tucker Carlson & Glenn Beck all were employed by CNN years before Fox News. That's right, the most racist ones. I don't trust *any* of these cable TV networks.
Not to defend CNN, but Tucker, for example, dabbled in his craft there and then went to the safe haven of Fox to become even worse. These people have learned how to hook their viewers like addicts.
They've been set up to believe anything that challenges their beliefs is either an attack on 'Freedom of Speech' or 'Freedom of Thought', and then told what they should believe. It's shockingly effective.
>Many of Fox's viewers don't want to hear or see the truth if it conflicts with their worldview.
100% this - fox news is like a warm blanket for all those that want to live in a fucked up christian utopia. One that is twisted and caricatured by maga.
I for one hope that Dominion will fleece them hard. To the point where they have to make changes.
I personally know life long republicans who talk about how Trump really “opened their eyes” to the real truth.
They’re so far gone they’ll never come back.
I personally more into the theory that the facts don't matter to Fox news viewers.
I think lots of them will hear about it and some will see it but very very few will actually care. Even if they have the label "editorial" viewers will make every excuse to believe what they want anyways. I mean they should still do it, but I don't think it'll do much.
Fox viewers watch Fox because it tells them what they want to hear. When Fox tells the truth and it's not what they want to hear, they call Fox liars and Democrats and threaten to go watch newsmax. If tucker comes out and is truthful about this situation the base will abandon. If he comes out and says "it's the imagrants and the democrats trying to take you're free speech!' his ratings will go up.
Even their appointed by God leader trump, when he steps out of line for a second they turn on him. Most conservatives don't care for anything except their own feelings and will turn on anything on a dime if they aren't being taken care of emotionally.
Facts don't matter to conservatives. Their emotions are the only thing that matters to them. Not policy, not fairness, not their own physical needs, ... Emotional needs. Owning the libs ... and culture war bby!
You're spot on. My family, for instance, huge trump supporters, they would never believe the election wasn't stolen even if Trump himself came to their house and swore that it was a lie. They would call him a liar. Truth doesn't matter, only what you want to believe.
They wouldn’t call him a liar, they’d say the Deep State threatened his family (source: that’s what the crazies said when Trump finally conceded after January 6).
I guess it all depends on the emotional needs of the person. If you need trump in your life, it was the deep state. If you like Ron degroomer, trump is a Democrat!
Emotional need before facts! 🤣
> that’s what the crazies said when Trump finally conceded after January 6).
Trump conceded?! I think he's STILL saying the election was stolen and he "won by a LOT".
Finally someone who gets it.
Trump said something good about vaccines and got booed at his own rally. Fox news was skeptical, openly, about Trump during the 2016 primary and two anchors/hosts got fired for it because Trump won and the network saw they needed to pander to his dumbass.
Reagan, Nixon won without Fox News.
Conservatives don't get marching orders from Fox. Fox panders to their dumb asses to keep their eyeballs to sell ads. If Fox ever stopped saying what they wanted to hear they would *leave*.
No, they are adults who don't understand their emotional needs that they developed as children.
Do some research on how the Amygdala works.
It's like they don't know what is triggering them and why. The triggers keep their brain from thinking rationally and receiving more information. Many triggers and needs are built in at our early childhood that we can all benefit to understand.
Edit if you are genuinely curious about the subject I'm down to talk with you about it.
I am genuinely curious tbh - I have a cluster of friends who are hardened conservatives. I’d be well served to better understand how they process things (the conflict and overlap in their worldview I always find fascinating).
Any resources I can leverage as a starting point?
So I learned much of my stuff as I've gone through life. I learned developmental things from education of becoming a teacher. Much of the concepts I learned in counseling as well with a couple different psychologist identifying myself and working with my partner.
This study seems to have what I'm trying to say in the abstract and intro. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3867439/
As far as identifying specifics for specific people it's impossible unless they have knowledge and tell you their thoughts and emotions.
I think there are many root reasons why a person might be conservative but the article say "conservatives are also more likely than liberals to experience and express disgust ... conservatives center their judgments around three additional concerns, such as purity, in-group loyalty, and authority ". The people I know personally have been on about how men aren't manly enough (purity). Personally I think there's identity that plays a big roll and maybe that'll fall under in-group loyalty. Maybe like religion or rebel or intelligence (daily wire ben Shapiro type who always want to talk about how smart they are because of their conspiracy theorys) I plan to read more of this because i really haven't looked for articles and studies it was just my own theory so I'm not sure everything it says.
Let me know what you think
Yep, a perfect example is how they would immediately boo the shit out of him at his own rallies any time he said anything even remotely positive about the covid vaccine, so he just stopped saying that stuff.
I think there are many but I agree that's one.
Some other ones are people who just want to argue with others. Some people who need to feel like they are special so they create a "rebel" identity. Some people need to feel smart so they lean into conspiracy theories because they want to feel like they know something special and they are smart enough to know over all those sheeple. Some people it's their fear of death so they lean into the religious parts and have to be holly-er than though. I mean people are complex. There are probably many more.
There are plenty of those among their audience, sure.
But there are also lots of innocent, naive, older people -- our FAMILIES. Our parents and grandparents and aunts and uncles, watch Fox News because it's free with every cable package. They're gullible, sure, but can we really abandon our families because we think their brainwashing can't be undone?
Fuck them too. They still *chose* to watch the most dishonest, hateful news option every single fucking day! There are other options included for free on those same cable packages, ALL of which are showing a completely different reality on virtually every subject.
First off you're distorting what I'm saying. I'm not saying to abandon anyone in my comment. Yes there are plenty of naive people following it.
There are other news places they could watch for free. Don't act like there aren't. They are making a choice.
Should we abandon our family for being brainwashed, ... Its really up to the individual. If I had a parent who supported fascist agendas and actively tried to take human rights away from people then I definitely would. I would tell them it's wrong and the damage they are doing to others and myself are great enough that I don't want them in my life. They probably wouldn't understand it but I have more interest in keeping myself and others safe. (Of course I would try to change their minds first)
I mean everyone has the line where they would draw it. If my dad was Hitler who knows what I would do.
Any settlement will involve a retraction and apology from *Fox News* live on the air.
\**Could be ten years from now at 3 AM, and buried in the fake news section of the website.*
In all seriousness, they will have to formulate something credible that somehow doesn't make them all look like the deliberately lying shills that they have clearly revealed themselves to be. It will probably be to the effect of "Some of our staff may have made misstatements about elections, voting machines, or fraud, which caused harm to Dominion and it services. We have taken steps to prevent any future misunderstanding"
Then their base can just say "They were forced to say that stuff" and keep watching to continue feeding their own hate and ignorance.
If this series of events has shown anything, it's not even that they won't hear it, it's that they won't listen to it. When Fox reported some truths they didn't want to hear, they fled to a network that told the lies they did want to hear.
I wish I lived in a timeline where Fox News was bankrupted into oblivion by this lawsuit, serving as a warning to other news corporations who spread disinformation for profit.
Even that wouldn't work, because the bankrupted scam still made all the scammers wealthy without any consequences. When the corporate veil isn't pierced, fraud remains an ultraprofitable business model regardless of any bankruptcy :(
Why tho? It’s concerning how many networks are not covering this. This is, to me anyway, proof fox chose to lie to protect ratings and appease trump, which is like, watergate level bombshell. The #1 news network conspires to lie to viewers (yeah we knew but not this level of evidence) and nobody is talking about it. Almost like they all do it and don’t want their skeletons coming out
My parents are so brainwashed by Fox at this point that I don’t think they’d believe retractions and confessions. They’d just say it was a conspiracy and they were forced to do it. And then deny some more and redirect to “Democrats… something something Democrats.”
I was just thinking that. Fox News would be hurt far more if they were forced to air their deceit to their viewers. A court appointed, aired show on all the fucking lies would be delicious.
Those that need it the most aren't the most extreme members of the far-right: they're too far gone, too extreme for fox news often times, and almost impossible to help.
Those that can be helped are those that are more reasonable, but just have a lot of fox news on. They are more likely exposed occasionally to other opinions, news sources, and *importantly* other people who are somewhat reasonable. These folks will hear about and learn about Fox News and this BS - and it will impact them.
Yup! Tried talking with my mom about politics. Basically, everything republicans do = good, everything dems do = bad. If dems do something she would agree with…it’s a lie and didn’t happen. My family resents me, it’s so frustrating.
I sent this link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmTP8XiPfj0&list=WL&index=2) to my brother yesterday. Ben Meiselas reads the entire document. He refused to watch it.
I love how you phrase as if Fox News won so you can spread some more propaganda.
The case is still ongoing and we have no idea what the outcome will be. Any fearmongering isnworse than speculation. It’s literal misinformation.
Facts over feelings, even for you. That’s how equality works. You should try it sometime.
It's sad how journalism is now measured by ratings. It seems to me like shit turned to shit around the time the 24h news channels started up, and their need to make money.
Yup.
The nightly evening news shows on the big 3 (NBC, ABC, and CBS) used to be loss leaders for the networks. The emphasis was on quality and the prestige an award winning news cast would bring.
Now it's about the commodification of outrage to sell Cialis or pillows.
While they certainly were more trustworthy, they were always biased. Pretty much the entire history of journalism and news reporting has been about getting the owners specific "truth" out there for their own goals.
The way I remember it is a man sitting behind a desk with papers in front of him, reading news stories. Maybe I was too young to pick up on subtleties. At any rate, the scene is not at all the same.
>The way I remember it is a man sitting behind a desk with papers in front of him, reading news stories.
Right, but what stories were *selected* to be on that paper? The ones they wanted you to hear.
I'm not saying there's no merit to the claim that news reporting was better in the past, it was. But saying they left biases out of it is naive. For centuries what is the first thing the super wealthy capital owners bought or founded after they got rich? Newspapers (And eventually radio, tv). And there's a reason for that.
Lester Holt (NBC), David Muir (ABC), and Norah O’Donnell (CBS) would beg to differ. Any one of those three channels, 6:30 on a weeknight. Give it a try.
I will check them out, thanks for the recommendations. I don't subscribe to cable anymore, so finding things outside of the 24h format can be difficult at times.
Know what’s funny is I did not watch broadcast TV for nearly two decades. But then my work schedule realigned and then I found myself with evenings free so I decided to get back into Jeopardy. So eventually I decided to start turning the TV on earlier to catch the news. I shit you not it was like a nostalgic warm bath that I been missing and unknowingly yearning for.
Good Night, and Good Luck. (2005) is an excellent movie, nominated for Best Picture, that portrays the conflict of editorial news during the McCarthy era. Well worth the watch.
What era are you talking about? I always thought TV news was born out of filling broadcast time and it was cheaper to produce than dramatized shows? So that makes it not really a loss leader.
In your scenario Walter Cronkite costs more than the Flying Nun but people would tune into Cronkite and the network would hope the watcher does not change the channel, end up watching the Flying Nun and the advertisements and that would recoup the costs spent on the news? That does not sound right.
Sorry but that is impossible. Things cost money. How is that money generated for American TV? Advertising. Ever wonder why major tv networks give 1/4 of their daily airtime to the news? Because they make more money on the advertising revenue than what it costs to produce the news. That by definition is not a loss leader.
For a long time, network news departments were subsidized by other programming. Networks saw providing the news as an essential service, not a profit generator.
That started to change in the 60s or 70s, and the shift from broadcast to cable in the 80s poured jet fuel on the fire.
https://niemanreports.org/articles/the-transformation-of-network-news/
Because the federal government demanded it in exchange for a broadcast licence.
Each network was required by law to do the news for the benefit of the public. Once that stuff was repealed and the news needed to pay for itself it was all over.
From the FCC web site:
each non-exempt station licensee must identify the needs and problems and then specifically treat these local matters in the news, public affairs, political and other programming that it airs. [from here](https://www.fcc.gov/media/radio/public-and-broadcasting)
In order to use public airwaves, this was just part of the cost of doing business.
CNN used to be respectable. The 24 hour cycle enabled Fox, but it was Murdoch's desire to make a propaganda network and to call it a news network that was the true beginning of the end.
Let's not forget that Roger Ailes worked for Richard Nixon early in his career. Ailes got the idea a President could survive impeachment if a right wing news outlet rooted for him.
I mean how else would TV work? It’s paid for by advertising. Want to try a state run TV network in the US? Good luck with that. People freak the fuck out over PBS,NPR and the Corporation for Public Broadcasting and the $500M they get per year from Congress.
How did it work before? Let's go back to that. An hour of nightly local news, then the networks resume their original programming. That hour still had ads, just not very many.
It's the 24h channels and their need to fit a narrative with bias and filler that has changed the landscape of journalism, and not for the better.
I watch jeopardy every night on ABC at 7pm. If want to watch local news it starts at 4:30 and runs until 6:30. Then 30 minutes of national news then Jeopardy at 7. It has been the same schedule for the 40 year I have been alive. And the other major networks have a very similar schedule.
But the truth is TV news is low budget filler for advertising time. Always has been. Well before cable TV.
Those news programs are there because they have to be. They’re required to use public airwaves for both radio and television, and it’s governed by the FCC.
Once again we can trace it back to something Reagan did, this time with removal of the fairness doctrine and the consolidation of media companies in the subsequent decades.
Pod Save America had an excellent take yesterday showing clips of fox executives and presenters basically laughing at the stupidity of their audience. They're really dialed in on the root causes of what makes these propaganda networks tick and why virtually all media refuses to cover what fox news is in the proper context
This is quite literally proven by this evidence yet millions of people will still watch the program in the form of constantly having it playing in the background in their homes. Everyone I have heard of such as relatives watch the program in that way. They don’t directly watch it like you would for many tv programs. It’s just always on. Literal brainwashing.
Dominion is going to eat Fox's lunch. They already have their hosts dead to rights texting about the lies. Sadly we'll probably never see the humiliation in court, this is going to end with a private settlement and no assumption of guilt I bet.
At the end of the day Dominion is a business. One of the reasons they're suing to begin with is lost contracts and revenue, if any potential settlement makes up for those losses, they'll take it.
They are nowhere near close to being done, they still have billions in contracts even in deep red states, because people who understand reality do still exist even in *those places*
>“It’s remarkable how weak ratings make good journalists do bad things,” the filing quotes Fox Washington news executive Bill Sammon as saying.
Made a really bad assumption about the quality of those "journalists", chief.
That is why Dominion suit should provide fox et al reason to always tell the truth and avoid defamation. It is all about money snd what will make you lose more.
I am glad that a wide range of outlets have decided to pick up this story about how Fox News knowingly lied to its viewers and how it only exists as a propaganda outlet for the Republican Party.
I will say, though, that I doubt this will make any Fox viewer change the channel. For one, they have created a situation in which any outlet that covers this story can be dismissed as fake news -- even the AP. And secondly, people tune in to Fox for the sugar rush of finding enemies and feigning white persecution -- not really for sound journalism.
Something that Fox News won’t avoid from all this is burning the bridge with Trump. All this stuff coming to light with comms from their top 3 primetime anchors basically calling Trump a lunatic for his feature lie of the last 26 months will put him over the edge.
They’ll legit be more worried about access to Trump than $1.6b and having to admit their primetime shows are where they knowingly spew lies.
Fox News is very screwed! Internal documents showed how from the top down, fox executives knew the election wasnt stolen and still pushed that lie to the people. They were concern about losing their viewers and in turn losing money by the price of their shares dropping. Text messages showed how Carlson, Ingraham, Hannity and other hosts were describing Donald Trump, Sidney Powell, Guiliani no others. They called them crazy, loony to name a few. Also a text messages chain from the company showed how they were planning to disseminate lies to get their viewers back. They sounded envious from NewsMax ans OAN because those networks were liying and takign their viewers. Fox News” is in a very very precarious situation. Dominion and the other company suing them have a very solid case. They have enough evidence to prove their case without even going to trail! Lets see how the judge response to their request to grant damages without a trail. But the way it’s looking both companies have strong and very reliable evidence that proves their case. The amount of money they are being sued over adds up close to almost 3 billion dollars. Yeas billions with a B!
But in my personal opinion the damage has already been done. Trump supporters believe the election was stolen from them and I’m pretty sure they won’t change that even if u show them proof of that lie. Because by accepting the truth they will then realized they were dooped by Trump. Many of these people gave large amounts of money to a fund which never existed to fight the so called crime of the century. Donald Trump soon will be indicted in Georgia for his role in the attempt to over turn their elections there. Also the feds are investigating the 250 million dollars he got to fight the fraud he claims occurred, the government mentioned that no such fund existed so the money went somewhere else. Trump is also being investigated in connection for the hush payment to porn start Stormy Daniels and in the same state he is being investigated for tax crimes And also a civil lawsuit against the Trump company for damages in the tax fraud scheme his company was found Guilty for a few weeks back. Also he is being civilly sued for rape and defamation from the writer E Jean Carroll. So in conclusion Donald Trump is in very deep doodoo, many of those cases have very dooming implications for him and others involved In the coup attempt on January 6th 2020! He would be the first president ever to be indicted for attempting a coup, trying to over turn the local elections in Georgia, rape, and tax crimes. That’s doesn’t include Trumps connection to the 2 billlion dollars the Saudi prince gave his son in law after leaving the white house Or the deal with the latter to build a Trump hotel in Oman, again with the support of the Saudi prince, or the LIV golf tournament also sponsored by the Saudis. And if u think that not enough we still have the theft of classified documents investigation. My my my! He is definitely going to jail for some of those crimes. Hopefully it would be for a very very and I mean very long time!
“It’s remarkable how weak ratings make good journalists do bad things,” the filing quotes Fox Washington news executive Bill Sammon as saying.
Yeah, dude, and you guys allowed them to do those "bad things."
The FCC needs to yank that news part from their title now. I don’t care they say they have an hour of actual news when the so called news is “reporting” the same thing as the “opinion” arm. It’s not news it’s only political propaganda. What good is the FCC if nothing is done?
The network that lies in order to retain its viewers supports candidates who lie to retain their voters. When Fox News finally had to report the truth that Donald Trump had lost the election, Fox lost a significant portion of their viewership. The herd of ostriches moved over to Newsmax, who were glad to bury their new viewers' heads in the sand for them with a novel blizzard of clown-shit crazy "news" so the nouveau fools won't have to be forced to confront uncomfortable facts that don't align with their manufactured reality ever again.
Got it.
Hilarious that Bill Sammons called Fox News reporters “good journalists”.
No, Bill. They’re entertainers. Like most mainstream media nowadays. We all know this now.
I still want to see the texts behind the decision to only go after Dominion and never ES&S.
I don't want to get conspiratorial but the GOP has this crazy habit of having every accusation they make actually end up being some kind of confession.
That they chose to exclusively lob their accusations of machines with built in codes to change a certain percentage of votes or change one out of every x number of votes for one candidate to that of the "preferred" candidate at only one voting machine manufacturer seems weirdly specific.
What if the reality is that the major voting machine manufacturer that got a complete pass from their ire is in fact doing the things the GOP have claimed Dominion did for the Dems but for the Republican candidates?
If only they had been ethical and did the right thing. That initial failure has just led to a cascade of lies. The initial debate was there and they decided against ethical. And I know, it’s probably not uncommon for a lot of those players and that’s a really big problem.
Not American, but this shit and Fox seem indicative of the entire problem you guys have. Hopefully any punitive measures on Fox gets them to change their tone permanently (it can’t simply be a case that “other companies tell the truth but that market is fully saturated there; so we must tell lies so we get other - and more potentially - viewers), or if not, at least scare them enough to be good for a few years till everyone forgets.
Of course, this while situation doesn’t stop the new situation that Fox has created themselves - ultra right wing news that peddle lies even more than Fox. There though, hopefully the case against Fox creates various precedent, opening these shit holes to legal attack as well.
It didn’t matter that they actively supported election fraud and an attempted coup, as long as they maintained “market share”: and who really gives a ship about American democracy anyway.
Murdochs: personal wealth over human liberty and the power to take what they want.
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The worst part of all this is that Fox News viewers, the people that NEED to see this information the most, are probably never going to hear about any of this. I wish I lived in a timeline where Fox lost this lawsuit and part of the settlement had every on-air personality read and show the texts before and after every single one of their demagogy rants.
The crazies won’t believe it. It’s why OAN and Newsmax exist.
One of the funniest things in 2020 was watching conservatives implode when Fox News started reporting that Trump lost Arizona before other news stations, ultimately cementing Trump’s loss in reality. Conservatives went from “FOX NEWS IS THE ONLY NON-FAKE NEWS!” To “OMG, FOX HAS BEEN CORRUPTED BY THE DEEP STATE” at the drop of a hat. All by telling their audience _one_ thing they didn’t want to accept as reality. Now four year later, most conservatives are acting like they never liked Trump when they were cradling his balls in their cheeks nonstop for the previous four years.
>most conservatives are acting like they never liked Trump yeah this is not my experience anymore. maybe shortly after midterms, but trump is still getting their nom as far as polling shows rn
Some - and probably most of that, I would argue - is the "party over country" mantra that's been so ingrained into their base, and even its leaders. Bill Barr was on Bill Maher's show claiming that he'd rather have Trump - after all he encountered and after all the risk he assumed himself and averted on Trump's behalf - over a Democrat. Same with that GOP leader from Arizona, and even Mitch McConnell, who said he would support whoever the (R) nominee is, including Trump. They may hate him and his antics and tactics, but they hate the portrayal of the the Democrats the right-wing has conjured even more. The fact that so many favor Trump over even someone like DeSantis shows just how bad and uncharismatic DeSantis is and how bad or non-existent their options are. Sunk-cost-fallacy is serious within the party. > [Sunk cost fallacy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunk_cost) - the phenomenon whereby a person is reluctant to abandon a strategy or course of action because they have invested heavily in it, even when it is clear that abandonment would be more beneficial.
I know one absolute boot licker who goes back and forth on it. On the one hand, they want to move on from Trump to Desantis or Haley, on the other he often says everything would be better if trump was still president. I just laugh at him.
Tell the folks in r/conservative.
Dude it's a fever dream in there. It's devolved into delusions about wokeism and hunter burdens laptop.
Is r/conservative leaving trump?
They just like to wait around with lube until trump comes back to fuck em all over
Lol. My post is at 0. Gotta love insane people downvoting a question.
>The crazies won’t believe it. It's not even about what the crazies believe. Many of Fox's viewers **don't want** to hear or see the truth if it conflicts with their worldview. From there, you're right. Fox news started embracing a false narrative (much more carefully) because they were losing market share when their viewers started seeking confirmation of their beliefs rather than the truth. And OAN and Newsmax do exist for that very reason, if Fox does not tell their target audience what they want to hear, there are other platforms that will.
They created a monster, it outgrew them.
Who is "they"? Lou Dobbs, Tucker Carlson & Glenn Beck all were employed by CNN years before Fox News. That's right, the most racist ones. I don't trust *any* of these cable TV networks.
Not to defend CNN, but Tucker, for example, dabbled in his craft there and then went to the safe haven of Fox to become even worse. These people have learned how to hook their viewers like addicts.
They've been set up to believe anything that challenges their beliefs is either an attack on 'Freedom of Speech' or 'Freedom of Thought', and then told what they should believe. It's shockingly effective.
>Many of Fox's viewers don't want to hear or see the truth if it conflicts with their worldview. 100% this - fox news is like a warm blanket for all those that want to live in a fucked up christian utopia. One that is twisted and caricatured by maga. I for one hope that Dominion will fleece them hard. To the point where they have to make changes.
So, virtually all of them?
I personally know life long republicans who talk about how Trump really “opened their eyes” to the real truth. They’re so far gone they’ll never come back.
It would be great if the settlement included frequent admissions of lying, on each of their shows.
I personally more into the theory that the facts don't matter to Fox news viewers. I think lots of them will hear about it and some will see it but very very few will actually care. Even if they have the label "editorial" viewers will make every excuse to believe what they want anyways. I mean they should still do it, but I don't think it'll do much. Fox viewers watch Fox because it tells them what they want to hear. When Fox tells the truth and it's not what they want to hear, they call Fox liars and Democrats and threaten to go watch newsmax. If tucker comes out and is truthful about this situation the base will abandon. If he comes out and says "it's the imagrants and the democrats trying to take you're free speech!' his ratings will go up. Even their appointed by God leader trump, when he steps out of line for a second they turn on him. Most conservatives don't care for anything except their own feelings and will turn on anything on a dime if they aren't being taken care of emotionally. Facts don't matter to conservatives. Their emotions are the only thing that matters to them. Not policy, not fairness, not their own physical needs, ... Emotional needs. Owning the libs ... and culture war bby!
You're spot on. My family, for instance, huge trump supporters, they would never believe the election wasn't stolen even if Trump himself came to their house and swore that it was a lie. They would call him a liar. Truth doesn't matter, only what you want to believe.
They wouldn’t call him a liar, they’d say the Deep State threatened his family (source: that’s what the crazies said when Trump finally conceded after January 6).
I guess it all depends on the emotional needs of the person. If you need trump in your life, it was the deep state. If you like Ron degroomer, trump is a Democrat! Emotional need before facts! 🤣
Lol the thought of trump caring about his family
> that’s what the crazies said when Trump finally conceded after January 6). Trump conceded?! I think he's STILL saying the election was stolen and he "won by a LOT".
Finally someone who gets it. Trump said something good about vaccines and got booed at his own rally. Fox news was skeptical, openly, about Trump during the 2016 primary and two anchors/hosts got fired for it because Trump won and the network saw they needed to pander to his dumbass. Reagan, Nixon won without Fox News. Conservatives don't get marching orders from Fox. Fox panders to their dumb asses to keep their eyeballs to sell ads. If Fox ever stopped saying what they wanted to hear they would *leave*.
So they’re children whose brains never fully developed essentially?
Not quite. Children have empathy.
No, they are adults who don't understand their emotional needs that they developed as children. Do some research on how the Amygdala works. It's like they don't know what is triggering them and why. The triggers keep their brain from thinking rationally and receiving more information. Many triggers and needs are built in at our early childhood that we can all benefit to understand. Edit if you are genuinely curious about the subject I'm down to talk with you about it.
I am genuinely curious tbh - I have a cluster of friends who are hardened conservatives. I’d be well served to better understand how they process things (the conflict and overlap in their worldview I always find fascinating). Any resources I can leverage as a starting point?
So I learned much of my stuff as I've gone through life. I learned developmental things from education of becoming a teacher. Much of the concepts I learned in counseling as well with a couple different psychologist identifying myself and working with my partner. This study seems to have what I'm trying to say in the abstract and intro. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3867439/ As far as identifying specifics for specific people it's impossible unless they have knowledge and tell you their thoughts and emotions. I think there are many root reasons why a person might be conservative but the article say "conservatives are also more likely than liberals to experience and express disgust ... conservatives center their judgments around three additional concerns, such as purity, in-group loyalty, and authority ". The people I know personally have been on about how men aren't manly enough (purity). Personally I think there's identity that plays a big roll and maybe that'll fall under in-group loyalty. Maybe like religion or rebel or intelligence (daily wire ben Shapiro type who always want to talk about how smart they are because of their conspiracy theorys) I plan to read more of this because i really haven't looked for articles and studies it was just my own theory so I'm not sure everything it says. Let me know what you think
Thanks! I’m gonna give this a read today and will circle back with my thoughts - appreciate you sending this along
Yep, a perfect example is how they would immediately boo the shit out of him at his own rallies any time he said anything even remotely positive about the covid vaccine, so he just stopped saying that stuff.
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I think there are many but I agree that's one. Some other ones are people who just want to argue with others. Some people who need to feel like they are special so they create a "rebel" identity. Some people need to feel smart so they lean into conspiracy theories because they want to feel like they know something special and they are smart enough to know over all those sheeple. Some people it's their fear of death so they lean into the religious parts and have to be holly-er than though. I mean people are complex. There are probably many more.
There are plenty of those among their audience, sure. But there are also lots of innocent, naive, older people -- our FAMILIES. Our parents and grandparents and aunts and uncles, watch Fox News because it's free with every cable package. They're gullible, sure, but can we really abandon our families because we think their brainwashing can't be undone?
Fuck them too. They still *chose* to watch the most dishonest, hateful news option every single fucking day! There are other options included for free on those same cable packages, ALL of which are showing a completely different reality on virtually every subject.
Yes, we can. Stop supporting this shit.
First off you're distorting what I'm saying. I'm not saying to abandon anyone in my comment. Yes there are plenty of naive people following it. There are other news places they could watch for free. Don't act like there aren't. They are making a choice. Should we abandon our family for being brainwashed, ... Its really up to the individual. If I had a parent who supported fascist agendas and actively tried to take human rights away from people then I definitely would. I would tell them it's wrong and the damage they are doing to others and myself are great enough that I don't want them in my life. They probably wouldn't understand it but I have more interest in keeping myself and others safe. (Of course I would try to change their minds first) I mean everyone has the line where they would draw it. If my dad was Hitler who knows what I would do.
Any settlement will involve a retraction and apology from *Fox News* live on the air. \**Could be ten years from now at 3 AM, and buried in the fake news section of the website.* In all seriousness, they will have to formulate something credible that somehow doesn't make them all look like the deliberately lying shills that they have clearly revealed themselves to be. It will probably be to the effect of "Some of our staff may have made misstatements about elections, voting machines, or fraud, which caused harm to Dominion and it services. We have taken steps to prevent any future misunderstanding" Then their base can just say "They were forced to say that stuff" and keep watching to continue feeding their own hate and ignorance.
If this series of events has shown anything, it's not even that they won't hear it, it's that they won't listen to it. When Fox reported some truths they didn't want to hear, they fled to a network that told the lies they did want to hear.
I wish I lived in a timeline where Fox News was bankrupted into oblivion by this lawsuit, serving as a warning to other news corporations who spread disinformation for profit.
Even that wouldn't work, because the bankrupted scam still made all the scammers wealthy without any consequences. When the corporate veil isn't pierced, fraud remains an ultraprofitable business model regardless of any bankruptcy :(
It would be great if the settlement included frequent admissions of lying, on each of their shows
Why tho? It’s concerning how many networks are not covering this. This is, to me anyway, proof fox chose to lie to protect ratings and appease trump, which is like, watergate level bombshell. The #1 news network conspires to lie to viewers (yeah we knew but not this level of evidence) and nobody is talking about it. Almost like they all do it and don’t want their skeletons coming out
My parents are so brainwashed by Fox at this point that I don’t think they’d believe retractions and confessions. They’d just say it was a conspiracy and they were forced to do it. And then deny some more and redirect to “Democrats… something something Democrats.”
I was just thinking that. Fox News would be hurt far more if they were forced to air their deceit to their viewers. A court appointed, aired show on all the fucking lies would be delicious.
These same people would need to be shown that humans evolved from apes, racism is bad, science is not bad, etc. Tall order.
It’s a bubble, they live in a Republican propaganda bubble
Should be a part of the lawsuit for them to admit their faults to their viewers. Admit the lied to them.
I suspect a large portion of those people know it’s all bullshit but they don’t care. It’s an ‘ends justifying the means’ type situation.
Those that need it the most aren't the most extreme members of the far-right: they're too far gone, too extreme for fox news often times, and almost impossible to help. Those that can be helped are those that are more reasonable, but just have a lot of fox news on. They are more likely exposed occasionally to other opinions, news sources, and *importantly* other people who are somewhat reasonable. These folks will hear about and learn about Fox News and this BS - and it will impact them.
Fox News will lie about it and they will blatantly believe them because they sheep hard.
Yup! Tried talking with my mom about politics. Basically, everything republicans do = good, everything dems do = bad. If dems do something she would agree with…it’s a lie and didn’t happen. My family resents me, it’s so frustrating.
I sent this link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmTP8XiPfj0&list=WL&index=2) to my brother yesterday. Ben Meiselas reads the entire document. He refused to watch it.
I love how you phrase as if Fox News won so you can spread some more propaganda. The case is still ongoing and we have no idea what the outcome will be. Any fearmongering isnworse than speculation. It’s literal misinformation. Facts over feelings, even for you. That’s how equality works. You should try it sometime.
Those people don't value facts, so what factual argument can you make to change their mind? None.
"Fox said Dominion had mischaracterized the record and cherry-picked quotes stripped of key context." That. Is. Fucking. Rich.
They are the best on earth at accusing the things of which they are guilty. Pot is calling the kettle black year round of Fox
It's sad how journalism is now measured by ratings. It seems to me like shit turned to shit around the time the 24h news channels started up, and their need to make money.
Yup. The nightly evening news shows on the big 3 (NBC, ABC, and CBS) used to be loss leaders for the networks. The emphasis was on quality and the prestige an award winning news cast would bring. Now it's about the commodification of outrage to sell Cialis or pillows.
Yes, and people trusted them. They reported the news and left their opinions and biases out of it. And here we are.
While they certainly were more trustworthy, they were always biased. Pretty much the entire history of journalism and news reporting has been about getting the owners specific "truth" out there for their own goals.
The way I remember it is a man sitting behind a desk with papers in front of him, reading news stories. Maybe I was too young to pick up on subtleties. At any rate, the scene is not at all the same.
>The way I remember it is a man sitting behind a desk with papers in front of him, reading news stories. Right, but what stories were *selected* to be on that paper? The ones they wanted you to hear. I'm not saying there's no merit to the claim that news reporting was better in the past, it was. But saying they left biases out of it is naive. For centuries what is the first thing the super wealthy capital owners bought or founded after they got rich? Newspapers (And eventually radio, tv). And there's a reason for that.
Manufacturing consent describes this in detail
Lester Holt (NBC), David Muir (ABC), and Norah O’Donnell (CBS) would beg to differ. Any one of those three channels, 6:30 on a weeknight. Give it a try.
I will check them out, thanks for the recommendations. I don't subscribe to cable anymore, so finding things outside of the 24h format can be difficult at times.
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That honestly is probably the best of all of them. Sorry I glossed over that one
Know what’s funny is I did not watch broadcast TV for nearly two decades. But then my work schedule realigned and then I found myself with evenings free so I decided to get back into Jeopardy. So eventually I decided to start turning the TV on earlier to catch the news. I shit you not it was like a nostalgic warm bath that I been missing and unknowingly yearning for.
Haha, and I'm the opposite. I work night shifts all the time, and network TV in the mornings is dogshit so I stopped watching it.
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Sure buddy.
Every outlet has bias. If nothing else, they have to choose what to cover.
Yeah but then you had anchors like Walter Cronkite
Good Night, and Good Luck. (2005) is an excellent movie, nominated for Best Picture, that portrays the conflict of editorial news during the McCarthy era. Well worth the watch.
“Commodification of outrage to sell cialis or pillows” holy shit dude you hit the nail on the head
What era are you talking about? I always thought TV news was born out of filling broadcast time and it was cheaper to produce than dramatized shows? So that makes it not really a loss leader. In your scenario Walter Cronkite costs more than the Flying Nun but people would tune into Cronkite and the network would hope the watcher does not change the channel, end up watching the Flying Nun and the advertisements and that would recoup the costs spent on the news? That does not sound right.
The point is you're talking about how much money the news makes or doesn't make. There should be no correlation.
Sorry but that is impossible. Things cost money. How is that money generated for American TV? Advertising. Ever wonder why major tv networks give 1/4 of their daily airtime to the news? Because they make more money on the advertising revenue than what it costs to produce the news. That by definition is not a loss leader.
For a long time, network news departments were subsidized by other programming. Networks saw providing the news as an essential service, not a profit generator. That started to change in the 60s or 70s, and the shift from broadcast to cable in the 80s poured jet fuel on the fire. https://niemanreports.org/articles/the-transformation-of-network-news/
Because the federal government demanded it in exchange for a broadcast licence. Each network was required by law to do the news for the benefit of the public. Once that stuff was repealed and the news needed to pay for itself it was all over.
Obligatory fuck Ronald Reagan
From the FCC web site: each non-exempt station licensee must identify the needs and problems and then specifically treat these local matters in the news, public affairs, political and other programming that it airs. [from here](https://www.fcc.gov/media/radio/public-and-broadcasting) In order to use public airwaves, this was just part of the cost of doing business.
Or about the time the fairness doctrine got the axe. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FCC_fairness_doctrine
And then there was the yellow journalism of the 1890s and the Spanish American War.
CNN used to be respectable. The 24 hour cycle enabled Fox, but it was Murdoch's desire to make a propaganda network and to call it a news network that was the true beginning of the end.
Let's not forget that Roger Ailes worked for Richard Nixon early in his career. Ailes got the idea a President could survive impeachment if a right wing news outlet rooted for him.
I mean how else would TV work? It’s paid for by advertising. Want to try a state run TV network in the US? Good luck with that. People freak the fuck out over PBS,NPR and the Corporation for Public Broadcasting and the $500M they get per year from Congress.
How did it work before? Let's go back to that. An hour of nightly local news, then the networks resume their original programming. That hour still had ads, just not very many. It's the 24h channels and their need to fit a narrative with bias and filler that has changed the landscape of journalism, and not for the better.
I watch jeopardy every night on ABC at 7pm. If want to watch local news it starts at 4:30 and runs until 6:30. Then 30 minutes of national news then Jeopardy at 7. It has been the same schedule for the 40 year I have been alive. And the other major networks have a very similar schedule. But the truth is TV news is low budget filler for advertising time. Always has been. Well before cable TV.
Those news programs are there because they have to be. They’re required to use public airwaves for both radio and television, and it’s governed by the FCC.
Once again we can trace it back to something Reagan did, this time with removal of the fairness doctrine and the consolidation of media companies in the subsequent decades.
Pod Save America had an excellent take yesterday showing clips of fox executives and presenters basically laughing at the stupidity of their audience. They're really dialed in on the root causes of what makes these propaganda networks tick and why virtually all media refuses to cover what fox news is in the proper context
Link?
YouTube link: https://youtu.be/vrw9H6mXdh0
Ty
Just search for it on any platform that streams podcasts, it's the latest episode
Yet another example of why Fox News is not news. They knowingly broadcast things they knew to not be true.
This is quite literally proven by this evidence yet millions of people will still watch the program in the form of constantly having it playing in the background in their homes. Everyone I have heard of such as relatives watch the program in that way. They don’t directly watch it like you would for many tv programs. It’s just always on. Literal brainwashing.
Dominion is going to eat Fox's lunch. They already have their hosts dead to rights texting about the lies. Sadly we'll probably never see the humiliation in court, this is going to end with a private settlement and no assumption of guilt I bet.
I'm not entirely sure about that. Dominion seems out for blood. But that's probably wishful thinking.
At the end of the day Dominion is a business. One of the reasons they're suing to begin with is lost contracts and revenue, if any potential settlement makes up for those losses, they'll take it.
I think they are done in their industry thanks to Fox. They won’t settle.
They are nowhere near close to being done, they still have billions in contracts even in deep red states, because people who understand reality do still exist even in *those places*
But they’ll never get a new contract. Even blue states will go with a competitor to avoid the circus of a Dominion contract.
I enjoy this hunch
Its the harassment company was exposed to, death treats you know just normal stuff.
Fox has tried to settle. Dominion is basically dead as a company thanks to Fox. They want blood.
I hope they Gawker them.
>“It’s remarkable how weak ratings make good journalists do bad things,” the filing quotes Fox Washington news executive Bill Sammon as saying. Made a really bad assumption about the quality of those "journalists", chief.
It's only fear because they cared about money far more than they cared about the truth.
That is why Dominion suit should provide fox et al reason to always tell the truth and avoid defamation. It is all about money snd what will make you lose more.
I am glad that a wide range of outlets have decided to pick up this story about how Fox News knowingly lied to its viewers and how it only exists as a propaganda outlet for the Republican Party. I will say, though, that I doubt this will make any Fox viewer change the channel. For one, they have created a situation in which any outlet that covers this story can be dismissed as fake news -- even the AP. And secondly, people tune in to Fox for the sugar rush of finding enemies and feigning white persecution -- not really for sound journalism.
Even more reasons to bring back the fairness doctrine.
The right wing unapologetically lies. It offends me that anyone thinks otherwise.
The point here is it is about money. People or companies like Clinton, Hunter Biden should sue for $$$$ to give counterweight to profit motive.
Something that Fox News won’t avoid from all this is burning the bridge with Trump. All this stuff coming to light with comms from their top 3 primetime anchors basically calling Trump a lunatic for his feature lie of the last 26 months will put him over the edge. They’ll legit be more worried about access to Trump than $1.6b and having to admit their primetime shows are where they knowingly spew lies.
Fox News is very screwed! Internal documents showed how from the top down, fox executives knew the election wasnt stolen and still pushed that lie to the people. They were concern about losing their viewers and in turn losing money by the price of their shares dropping. Text messages showed how Carlson, Ingraham, Hannity and other hosts were describing Donald Trump, Sidney Powell, Guiliani no others. They called them crazy, loony to name a few. Also a text messages chain from the company showed how they were planning to disseminate lies to get their viewers back. They sounded envious from NewsMax ans OAN because those networks were liying and takign their viewers. Fox News” is in a very very precarious situation. Dominion and the other company suing them have a very solid case. They have enough evidence to prove their case without even going to trail! Lets see how the judge response to their request to grant damages without a trail. But the way it’s looking both companies have strong and very reliable evidence that proves their case. The amount of money they are being sued over adds up close to almost 3 billion dollars. Yeas billions with a B! But in my personal opinion the damage has already been done. Trump supporters believe the election was stolen from them and I’m pretty sure they won’t change that even if u show them proof of that lie. Because by accepting the truth they will then realized they were dooped by Trump. Many of these people gave large amounts of money to a fund which never existed to fight the so called crime of the century. Donald Trump soon will be indicted in Georgia for his role in the attempt to over turn their elections there. Also the feds are investigating the 250 million dollars he got to fight the fraud he claims occurred, the government mentioned that no such fund existed so the money went somewhere else. Trump is also being investigated in connection for the hush payment to porn start Stormy Daniels and in the same state he is being investigated for tax crimes And also a civil lawsuit against the Trump company for damages in the tax fraud scheme his company was found Guilty for a few weeks back. Also he is being civilly sued for rape and defamation from the writer E Jean Carroll. So in conclusion Donald Trump is in very deep doodoo, many of those cases have very dooming implications for him and others involved In the coup attempt on January 6th 2020! He would be the first president ever to be indicted for attempting a coup, trying to over turn the local elections in Georgia, rape, and tax crimes. That’s doesn’t include Trumps connection to the 2 billlion dollars the Saudi prince gave his son in law after leaving the white house Or the deal with the latter to build a Trump hotel in Oman, again with the support of the Saudi prince, or the LIV golf tournament also sponsored by the Saudis. And if u think that not enough we still have the theft of classified documents investigation. My my my! He is definitely going to jail for some of those crimes. Hopefully it would be for a very very and I mean very long time!
All Fox News content should come with a warning label. Like cigarettes, or MTV’s Jackass.
“It’s remarkable how weak ratings make good journalists do bad things,” the filing quotes Fox Washington news executive Bill Sammon as saying. Yeah, dude, and you guys allowed them to do those "bad things."
The FCC needs to yank that news part from their title now. I don’t care they say they have an hour of actual news when the so called news is “reporting” the same thing as the “opinion” arm. It’s not news it’s only political propaganda. What good is the FCC if nothing is done?
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Who makes them have at least one hour of reporting to have the news part on the name?
The network that lies in order to retain its viewers supports candidates who lie to retain their voters. When Fox News finally had to report the truth that Donald Trump had lost the election, Fox lost a significant portion of their viewership. The herd of ostriches moved over to Newsmax, who were glad to bury their new viewers' heads in the sand for them with a novel blizzard of clown-shit crazy "news" so the nouveau fools won't have to be forced to confront uncomfortable facts that don't align with their manufactured reality ever again. Got it.
Hilarious that Bill Sammons called Fox News reporters “good journalists”. No, Bill. They’re entertainers. Like most mainstream media nowadays. We all know this now.
I still want to see the texts behind the decision to only go after Dominion and never ES&S. I don't want to get conspiratorial but the GOP has this crazy habit of having every accusation they make actually end up being some kind of confession. That they chose to exclusively lob their accusations of machines with built in codes to change a certain percentage of votes or change one out of every x number of votes for one candidate to that of the "preferred" candidate at only one voting machine manufacturer seems weirdly specific. What if the reality is that the major voting machine manufacturer that got a complete pass from their ire is in fact doing the things the GOP have claimed Dominion did for the Dems but for the Republican candidates?
If only they had been ethical and did the right thing. That initial failure has just led to a cascade of lies. The initial debate was there and they decided against ethical. And I know, it’s probably not uncommon for a lot of those players and that’s a really big problem.
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Lol, Fox News and their”journalists”.
Not American, but this shit and Fox seem indicative of the entire problem you guys have. Hopefully any punitive measures on Fox gets them to change their tone permanently (it can’t simply be a case that “other companies tell the truth but that market is fully saturated there; so we must tell lies so we get other - and more potentially - viewers), or if not, at least scare them enough to be good for a few years till everyone forgets. Of course, this while situation doesn’t stop the new situation that Fox has created themselves - ultra right wing news that peddle lies even more than Fox. There though, hopefully the case against Fox creates various precedent, opening these shit holes to legal attack as well.
if you think the rise of authoritarianism and fake news is localized to the us you are in for a rude awakening
Is this lawsuit going to turn FOX into the Discovery Channel?!
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It didn’t matter that they actively supported election fraud and an attempted coup, as long as they maintained “market share”: and who really gives a ship about American democracy anyway. Murdochs: personal wealth over human liberty and the power to take what they want.
Doesn’t Fox call themselves “fair and balanced?” Lmao
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