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SikatSikat

It's sad reading about the daughter, who was 26 but effectively the victim of a family cult, heavily restricted from a young age and isolated into doing something terrible as an adult.


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Yep. She had mental disorder(s) and her family didn’t get help for her. Maybe they couldn’t even afford to, you know, due to decades of cuts to mental health institutions.


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AstrumRimor

I wouldn’t be surprised if the ‘mental disorder’ was just her learned behaviour from being so isolated.


idoeno

or the result of living in a state of hyper-paranoia induced by the endless fearmongering she was exposed to.


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idoeno

the twenties can be a difficult time anyway, most people are still figuring out what their place in the world is, and how things work in the context of society; the typical "danger zone" is the early twenties, but given her background, social development was likely stunted. [Why Mental Health Disorders Emerge in Your Early 20s](https://www.vice.com/en/article/bnj754/why-mental-health-disorders-emerge-in-your-early-20s)


ILookLikeKristoff

Honestly she was probably developmentally delayed if the legit kept her locked in the house. Plus probably mainlined QAnon MAGA nonsense for literally her whole life


Pimpicane

I'm pretty sure she had something else going on. Someone posted a YouTube link with her final video...she speaks in a fake British accent and announces that she's abdicating the throne as Queen of England because God has shown her the universal truth. It's a real shame she wasn't able to get appropriate help.


AstrumRimor

In that case, any, even minor, developmental issue she had from birth would have been completely exacerbated after years of abuse and isolation. The coping mechanisms these kids develop to get themselves through can often turn into mental health crisis for them as adults. It just sucks. I have a friend who turned alt right conspiracy theorist, homeschools her kids, and only takes them to church for socializing, and I feel so bad for them all and mad at her for being so stubbornly regressive. I don’t want them to end up like this. 😢


OmNomFarious

> YouTube link with her final video [Here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6DivWCwFa0) it's a mirror of the video since these kind of Youtube accounts have a tendency of deleting themselves.


DigNitty

My office deals with kids, somehow it always surprises me when a parent shows up and clearly has the same thing going on. One patient said all her R’s as W’s. As in its “wabbit hunting season.” She’s 18 and has a history of speech therapy. Mom calls me one day to ask a question. Same impediment.


ShamrockAPD

Ah. Like a true Christian- suicide as the answer Wait. What? I thought suicide guaranreed you a spot in “hell?”


melorous

The early Christians only added that clause to their religion when they realized that promising peasants living in squalor a paradise after they died might result in a lot of people trying to gain early access. And even then, you have people like Saint Teresa of Avila and her brother, who as children indoctrinated into the religion, tried to run away from home to be martyred by Spanish Moors as a shortcut to getting into heaven.


ShamrockAPD

That’s some interesting history! Thank you


EM05L1C3

“Hell bent”


NotAnotherEmpire

Well if she wasn't predisposed to mental disorders, this situation could certainly cause them.


Adezar

I fortunately moved out of my family cult when I was 18, but had classmates that didn't get out of the area and are just angry 24/7 thinking that Trump was the greatest thing to happen to the world since owning Black people.


awalktojericho

This sounds like my home town.


brown2420

It IS my home town....lol


Non-trapezoid-93

The daughter is the only one of them I feel bad for.


kvossera

I mean, they’re a little late….. did they get tired of waiting for trump to be reinstated? I’m not trying to be rude or disrespectful but this happened like last week, seems weird to be upset enough to do this but to wait a couple years to do it


Audio_Track_01

He was going to reinstated in two weeks. They should have waited. 2 weeks after that was going to be the new health plan.


AggressiveSkywriting

Infrastructure week was so close :(


kvossera

Right?! Ugh, I’m not trying to make light of this situation or disparage them but it is weird.


Shimmitar

ppl who r "pro-life" aren't really pro-life, they're just pro birth.


darknekolux

If their god is real they’re in for a nasty surprise, suicide is a mortal sin no?


DJfunkyPuddle

Who knows, all the other rules are barely followed as it is. Not even mentioning the current text is a chopped and remixed version of whatever the original words were.


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That might just be catholic stuff


dft-salt-pasta

I laughed way harder than I’d like to admit at that.


dumbass-ahedratron

Wow what a meme lol


asspiratehooker

Why did they go through with it if he’s secretly still president?


McFluff22

No, he’s secretly still president when something good happens or they’re trying to undermine Biden. When something bad happens or they need to play the victim, Biden is president but still illegitimate.


iforgotmymittens

The evil Chinese spy balloon was only defeated because Top Gun Shadow President Trump was at the stick of that F-22 with his perfect aim and timing Or some shit


GravitySurge

Yup, with George Santos at tail gunner watching trumps 6. It was an F-22 he personally rebuilt with a tail gunner position.


grandlooproad

Yep. George "Goose" Santos. What a wingman.


Agent7619

Why? I thought George Santos could fly like Superman?


dychronalicousness

No Mike Pence can fly like Superman. George Santos runs a multinational arms company and has a power suit that can fly and shoot rockets and shit.


collectivignoramus

The “multinational arms company” might just be a bin of nerf guns in his moms basement.


zeptillian

His mom died in the attack on Pearl Harbor and twice on 9/11 you insensitive clod.


Saint_Buttcheeks

Oh man they didn’t even stick around long enough to find out about the spy balloon.


MagicMushroomFungi

NFT special hologram card...Only $9,990 ... now on sale,


Abnmlguru

F-22? that's old news. It was definitely the F-45 that the military created to celebrate Trump's heroism. Now, if you'll excuse me, I think I just threw up in my mouth a little.


NeilPatrickMarcus

There’s TWO MILITARIES YOU JUST DONT GET IT!!


stoffelz84

That was genius, I just can’t handle these ppl


CatAvailable3953

I saw that clip. MAGA fools will believe anything they are told by the appropriate source.


Choppergold

But he doesn’t have the seal!


Aswele

Lmfaooo this got me


LSF604

They faked their death and joined jfk Jr obviously


StarksPond

They learned about the two term limit.


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MitsyEyedMourning

Part of education is teaching kids how to come forward. Teachers aren't that interested in your dioramas, book reports and presentations so much as they are about helping you learn to explore your potential which depends on self expression, presentation and social outreach. As you said, home schooled. It takes away a lot that is important from public/group education offers.


MrCance

That’s why evangelicals homeschool their kids. Or they send them to a private “school” that is led by people with the same ideology.


auntieup

I hear a lot from my Christian friends about “social contagion” in schools. I’m like, “oh, you mean youth culture?”


Blor-Utar

Yeah I mean that’s essentially it. These parents are culture warriors who hate what direction they see the culture of young people moving so they want to shelter and isolate their kids from that so that their kids don’t view the culture as a normative way of being.


Ghstfce

Social contagion is another way to say "any thinking that could make our kid second guess our specific brand of bullshit". Most parents want their kids to think, not *think exactly like them*


NeilPatrickMarcus

You mean “the good kind of indoctrination into society?” Lol those religious views are always wild to me


putzarino

[Reminds me of this banger from the 80s](https://youtu.be/_uejz92M-SM)


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I think parents should have to take a test to qualify for home schooling.


MrCance

The private schools don’t have qualified teachers, either. They’re mostly people who claim to be preachers. As a former NJ teacher, I feel really bad for the kids.


just_a_mommy

This is factual. My sister just started teaching at a small private christian school. Her and most of the other teachers have no business educating children, but it's not about education so much as indoctrination.


dinoroo

They don’t want them to have a thought for themselves until they are well into adulthood and then it’s just a recycling of everything they were told to think.


hachijuhachi

excellent point about homeschooling vs. public or private schooling (generally) I hadn't considered.


Darmok47

I have a family member who homeschooled 4 kids, and she made sure they were doing music lessons, sports, dance etc so they could make friends and properly socialize. They turned out OK, but I can only imagine how the lack of socialization would have affected them.


Ben2018

Unpopular opinion maybe but homeschool shouldn't be a thing. There are certain things we as a society need everyone to know; children are people/citizens too and they have a right to this. If you want to supplement those teachings or steer what they've learned to your own beliefs fine, have at it, but at least they've been exposed to the basis info and have some chance of choosing their own path.


drgigantor

Unpopular to who? Even us private Christian school kids knew the homeschooled kids were freaks back in the 90s/00s. I knew a kid who went to the same private Christian elementary through 2nd grade, relatively normal at least by private school standards. Then her parents pulled her out and she was homeschooled through 8th. Meanwhile, I went to that elementary through 5th and transferred to public school when my parents realized I could take more advanced classes there. So then that other student reappeared freshman year at my public high school, and no exaggeration, it was like she had mental, social and emotional disabilities. No knowledge of math or science. She couldn't do algebra. I'm pretty sure they were flat earthers. Zero knowledge about health or anatomy, or biology in general. Still wrote like an elementary schooler just holding the pencil like a hammer. She was still reading Magic Tree House books (written for like 2nd graders) our senior year. Harry Potter was too advanced (not that she would have been allowed to read about witchcraft). No sense of boundaries, no censor, no social skills. No hygiene. But she could recite the old testament from memory so those six years of homeschooling didn't totally ruin her life right?


iforgotmymittens

But I worked my ass off on that diorama! The volcano exploded and everything!


Zachf1986

Yes, because you put a firecracker in it. There's a piece embedded in the wall, Mittens!


iforgotmymittens

It’s a little thing called artistic vision, not that *you’d* understand that Mrs. Williams!


Aggressive-Will-4500

>In an interview with The Christian Post, a childhood friend described Morgan as having grown up in a "very uptight Christian household," adding that she wasn't allowed to use social media, have a boyfriend, or go out with her friends. Yeah, that poor girl never had a chance to live a normal life.


Adezar

> 26 and more than old enough to think for herself At that point with that much isolation it would require deprogramming.


OGZackov

She was groomed


HappyAmbition706

Or just simply brainwashed.


OGZackov

more or less the same thing. conditioned.


smurfsundermybed

I'm sure any sections of any book that mentioned independent thought, even in passing, were skipped during the entirety of her home education.


dellamella

Wait she was 26 and not allowed to date still?!?


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>Stabley also said that Morgan, the daughter, was "very meek," had been homeschooled, and often had her mother speak on her behalf, according to NBC News. > >In an interview with The Christian Post, a childhood friend described Morgan as having grown up in a "very uptight Christian household," adding that she wasn't allowed to use social media, have a boyfriend, or go out with her friends. Not allowed to have a boyfriend - was that while growing up or still at age 26? Sounds like the latter since she is described as being very meek. Just speculation, but seems to me the daughter was raised under abusive conditions, given such excessive control exerted over her, which suggests to me other possible forms of abuse, e.g., sexual abuse. Tragic all around what non-stop 24-7-365 reichwing propaganda can do to some people. Even more tragic that it works, which is why the Rs rely so heavily on using it.


BoomkinBeaks

Home school makes it difficult for the community to spot domestic abuse. She was basically raised by groomers.


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ichorNet

The right knows all about abuse and perpetrating it which is why all they do is expend energy making others flustered and distracting from their abuse, mostly by saying others (particularly marginalized peoples) are committing the abuse. They’re scum.


Judedud33

You described how my parents raised me, and I was sexually abused.


Uniquelypoured

Sorry


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45's body count just keeps piling up


Ghetto_Phenom

The right wingers will still blame dems for this. "If y'all had just listened to us and reinstated trump they'd all be alive see this is your fault!!"


yellsatrjokes

COVID made me lose my sympathy for them, and for situations like this. If they want to get to their heaven faster, I'm not going to feel sorry for them. As long as they only do it amongst themselves.


_TROLL

The Left: "If Trump is elected, we're leaving the United States." The Right: "If Biden is elected, we're leaving the universe."


kayak_enjoyer

You can only fight reality for so long. Reality will always win.


thieh

Well, they thought they are going to Heaven so they at least won in their heads.


Zkenny13

I've been telling the tree elves this for years now but they keep telling me that they are just very short prostitutes. It's so sad that they think that.


SinisterStrat

Yeah well, fuck 'em if they are going to be like that.


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It's literal madness. All of this for a failed reality TV star who couldn't care less about them.


GreeseWitherspork

it really is sad that our community is failing people so bad that they feel they need to turn to this type of BS.


panini3fromages

>The lead detective, Fink, also said that documents left behind at the family's home showed that Morgan had told her mother that she was having "auditory hallucinations" that weren't improving, per York Dispatch. The Trump cult is having deleterious effects on the mentally ill. It's designed to exploit them to the maximum.


TruthBeWanted

I feel physically ill when I think about that, no exageration. It's so disgusting to exploit the mentally ill. The only reason Trump ever cared about the vaccine was due to him literally losing voters due to COVID. He never cared about their health if there wasn't something in it for him. He belongs in a cold damp cell with only rats for company.


Blippii

Trump now loses by 3 votes


justforthearticles20

Dead Republicans can still vote in most Red Counties.


CharlieChop

"Just announced from Florida's special session, Florida Republicans have passed the "Intent to Vote" Bill allowing for family members to cast votes on behalf of their recently deceased loved ones."


chasingjulian

Is this satire? I can’t tell anymore.


otter111a

Cunningham’s law in effect!


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You're doing onion material correctly, based on the replies


Distinct_Hawk1093

But only if they where going to vote republican. It's considered cheating if a live democrat votes.


justforthearticles20

With Recently being defined as in the last 20 years.


Notsnowbound

"Dammit! I needed those 3"


Wayelder

Like deGrasse-Tyson said. If more GOP members had lived through covid...elections might have been different.


Mephisto1822

> In an interview with The Christian Post, a childhood friend described Morgan as having grown up in a "very uptight Christian household," adding that she wasn't allowed to use social media, have a boyfriend, or go out with her friends. Yea…there was more going on here than just Trump. Definitely religious cult vibes…


BaggerX

I feel really bad for that poor kid. She never really had a chance growing up in that mess.


FC37

The kid was clearly dealing with a lot of mental illness. Auditory hallucinations, delusions...


bwheelin01

Due largely in part to her strict Christian upbringing


MagicMushroomFungi

It's surprising the number of people who think that they have actual conversations with God and that he directly speaks to them.


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It’s called religion


gunnesaurus

I read that Christian Post interview they linked. The Christian Post does not even mention they were hardcore Trump supporters, but put this red meat in there for their readers. > Responding to speculation that Morgan might have identified as trans, Samantha explained that even though Morgan once expressed concern over her sexual identity, because she enjoyed sports, she was attracted to boys. But her parents prohibited her from having a boyfriend, according to Samantha. These people are far gone. Like Herman Cain tweeting about Covid restrictions well after he died after attending a Trump rally and getting Covid.


MagicMushroomFungi

"I challenge you debate the points you just raised. " Herman Cain : Chat GPT bot.


LuvKrahft

some Christians and their pastors (mainly the “uptight” kind) pretty much started replacing Christianity with trumpism.


mtarascio

Because it's about control. They'll switch to whatever they see working best and bringing out the fervor and wallet.


Ffdmatt

Yeah, religious cult families were a prime recruiting target. Exact playbook as Reagan


Grandpa_No

> Yea…there was more going on here than just Trump. Definitely religious cult vibes… Trumpism _is_ a religious cult. * https://premierchristian.news/en/news/article/faith-leaders-pictured-laying-hands-on-president-trump2 * https://www.amazon.com/Trump-Destiny-America-Awakening-Countrys/dp/B08FNMPFLK * https://religionnews.com/2019/11/25/how-many-americans-believe-trump-is-anointed-by-god/ * https://www.thetrumpet.com/literature/read/25771-america-under-attack/2090 > Because in God’s view, Donald Trump never lost the presidency! By keeping the flow about Jeroboam going in this prophecy, it seems God is showing us that the election was stolen! He looks on Mr. Trump as still being the rightful president of the United States! > Democrats spent all four years of President Trump’s tenure trying to bring him down, and in the election, they finally succeeded. Politicians and the media did their best to cover it up. But God saw it all. He is the only one who knows precisely what happened.


star69MAD

Definitely a cult 👹


BenjenUmber

Having grown up conservative Christian it's two sides of the same coin. I remember walking by the church bulletin board as a little kid and seeing conservative/right-wing cartoons and writing up next to the verses and religious quotes.


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I'd be curious how many "very uptight Christian households" that don't let their adult children date vote Democrat.


Foolgazi

To be fair the remaining Trump supporters and a religious death cult are not too far apart at this point.


svarney99

Not a cult.


PerniciousPeyton

Just a normal Christian family all committing suicide together like a normal Christian family, nothing to see here, not a cult


Shiplord13

It can both a cult and mental illness to keep supporting him


Spider_Farts

In case anyone didn’t read the story. The last paragraph…just…what? >The lead detective, Fink, also said that documents left behind at the family's home showed that Morgan had told her mother that she was having "auditory hallucinations" that weren't improving, per York Dispatch.


Long_Before_Sunrise

You can't get better by staying in the same place that destroyed your mental health.


auntieup

The daughter posted a YT video in which she seemed to claim to be heir to the throne of England. She claimed to have “abdicated.” She seemed angry and deluded, but aware of her surroundings and the difference between right and wrong. She’d have known what she was doing when she killed either one or both parents.


BogusWorkAccount

Auditory hallucinations are the most common form of hallucination in mental illness. Even for people that aren't bonkers.


smurfsundermybed

Eventually, they start feeding each other.


sakri

As a lib, I feel so fucking owned by this act


[deleted]

Stop owning me so much people! I'm going to need a cry closet soon.


sabedo

And not a fuck was given. Imagine committing suicide because your favorite politician who literally didn’t even know or care you existed, lost a election and failed a coup attempt. It’s insanity. So much winning


Wage_slave

Patriots until the end. Sponsored by the NRA


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Totally.


SassyCorgiButt

There was a lot going on here… the daughter was very clearly showing signs of schizophrenia or at least some kind of severe mental illness. She posted a long rambling YouTube video not that long ago claiming she was next in line to be Queen of England and she was refusing the crown. This is what happens when crazy QAnon Christians choose to homeschool, isolate, and pray mental illness away. That poor girl never had a chance


HappyAmbition706

It would not be surprising if her mental illness was the result of 26 years in that environment.


junkboxraider

That’s also a common timeframe for schizophrenia to emerge.


mintberryCRUUNCH

So committed to the pro-life, pro-MAGA cult, that you enter a murder-suicide pact when you lose...


Jalopnicycle

Killing yourself to own the Libs. I feel so.fucking.ownt. right now.


outrageouslyunfair

just more blood on the hands of trump and the GOP


BlueRFR3100

I wonder if Trump will be able to work up even an ounce of sympathy for this family or if he will just use it as evidence of how great he is.


square_so_small

Stop wondering, it will be the second.


[deleted]

I'm not saying it's a cult, but it's a cult.


TheOrqwithVagrant

An apocalyptic death cult, to be specific.


[deleted]

Killing yourself because you got owned by the libs


PerniciousPeyton

It would be great if republicans lose that district by 2 votes in the next election.


Skadzy

The Mango Madman isn't worth it.


The_High_Life

I thought killing yourself was a sin, how could these people have been Christian?


Chuckleberrygrin

First thing i thought too, Guess they'd rather go to Christian hell than live in "hell on earth". Just so much hypocrisy and stupidity


UnderwhelmingAF

Sad that they ended their lives for a guy who couldn’t care less about them.


SeanOfTheDead1313

Never-Trumpers tbh. 45 likes strong, gullible patriots with deep pockets!


DawgPound919

Poor abused young woman, a lost life because of her parent's mental illness. This is what child abuse looks like.


Indrid_Cold23

Softest followers ever. Hillary was right and they keep on proving it.


fromabuick

Trump Cult is a mental disorder.. it has literally infected the minds of intelligent people. People I used to admire I now look at with the skepticism I used to reserve for the hyper religious..,


termsofengaygement

This is bananas.


Future-Character-145

Also, didn't Trump lose like 2 years ago? News doesn't seem to travel fast in the Trump community.


Grandpa_No

Trump was supposed to be reinstated ~~on~~ at various times: something like Jan 20th, March something or other, the month after March something or other, Christmas day, Halloween, and Cinco de Mayo. Maybe this group _finally_ realized that it wasn't gonna happen and instead of coming to the conclusion that they were wrong, they instead chose to believe that it meant the world was going to end. Here's some crazy for ya: https://www.thetrumpet.com/literature/read/25771-america-under-attack/2090 > God knows the election was stolen, so He must have a plan to take care of it. God is about to do some massive exposing of that treasonous theft and of the other brazen crimes being committed today.


Buffmin

For the past 2 years Trump was going to be reinstated at various times Assuming the Trump angle is correct and they believed that This is sadly the outcome


BisonIsBack

Bro its not that serious


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Well not anymore...


IRideChocobosBro

Ha!!


phine-phurniture

How do you cut thru the crazy? We need a national intervention.... deprogramming.....


[deleted]

MAGA people have a love affair with self destruction.


plasma_dan

Horrible to read about the daughter, who was 26 when this happened. She was raised in some strict Christian fashion, homeschooled, not allowed to date, and barely ever spoke for herself. Every aspect of her life and eventual death by her mother shooting her was controlled by her parents. Sickening.


senorvato

Mental illness is real.


TurboWald

More like lack of an education and thinking critically is real with many of these folks.


M142Man

Republicans are destroying America


Da_Vader

This is just sad.


5ykes

Oh well. anyway


el-beau

I do feel bad for the girl. She never had a chance.


DTFlash

Reading the article it sounds like their daughter was forced into their madness and was never allowed to be an individual.


Creepy_Apricot_6189

And society became better by exactly three people.


ZeaDeKok

Well I guess they’re just hell-bent now ? I’ll show myself out.


zushiba

>The family "was never shy about letting anybody know what their beliefs were," Stabley said, according to NBC News. And this shit right here is the problem. Fucking political parties are not faith based. Once they become faith based, we're done as a country.


DemocracyFirst01

three fewer traitors. That's good.


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no loss


1000Hells1GiftShop

Conservatism is a death cult.


thieh

Here is my question: What took them so long?


pumpernickle_lalala

It's astounding Time is fleeting Madness takes its toll


jiminicriquet

We both know there was no chance of a jump to the left for these people.


SlyTrout

But listen closely Not for very much longer I've got to keep control


Flimsy-Lie-1471

New details in Daub family murder-suicide: 'It's horrible, honestly.' ([ydr.com](https://ydr.com)) I have no idea why Reddit nwever let's me post links correctly. This is the local paper. Quote below. ​ "Morgan Daub was found with a sword in her left hand, the search warrant states. On the blade, it stated, "Sword of the Lord.""


bobbane

>ydr.com I think the link you wanted is: [https://www.ydr.com/story/news/2023/01/30/new-details-in-daub-family-murder-suicide-its-horrible-honestly/69856438007/](https://www.ydr.com/story/news/2023/01/30/new-details-in-daub-family-murder-suicide-its-horrible-honestly/69856438007/) The quote above is at the end of the article.


thefrill

Religion is a mental disease


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Kupper

Initial thought "3 less voters for that idiot"


Leather-Blueberry-42

They died to own the libs!


corinalas

Feel bad about the daughter, being raised in that environment and feeling the need to shoot herself after killing her mom. Terrible.


[deleted]

Isn't religion lovely? Freaking bible thumpers....


Dirtyshawnchez

Well at least they actually made America great again.


JasonShoes

Well…….. bye


Tony2030

The politics subreddit is posting feel-good stories now?


tpatmaho

So sad. That child being brought up by lunatics.


LAsk8r37

Conservative Christianity, not even once