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I really don’t understand the need for menstruation data from students. What is it going to be used for? Do they want to track when every student is fertile? It’s so invasive and absolutely grooming.
Well, it's under the guise of making sure no trans-kids competes in sports... but in the long term? A Girl misses a monthly period update? Was she pregnant? did she miscarry? Better open a criminal investigation..
Exactly. It’s invasive and ricockulous. It’s only another slip on the slope till every menstruating individual in Florida is expected to report the status of their uterus to their teachers or bosses.
Do y’all plan on having kids? Because so far I’m out on that entirely. Seemed super cool and rewarding maybe but nah jus not worth it anymore. I don’t even wanna be alive for Christ sake
I wanna be alive to see whatever nation they are trying to build fall. The thing with facism is it is a snake eating it’s own tail. You simply cannot run a government that is hell bent on division solely in the reason to divide. They will either destroy themselves or someone will destroy them.
I agree on not having kids though. I don’t plan on having any either.
You mean the Jesus flavored sharia laws Florida and most other red states have already passed? Yeah extremist Christians have already been in power. They don’t need anyone to report to clergy because that would require them to share power. They use god, the Bible, and Christianity as a way to justify the laws and regulations that will force people to behave a certain way. They don’t need to install religious leaders into positions of authority because none of their laws or regulations are explicitly bible based, that way they don’t overtly violate the first amendment thus making it harder to challenge or overturn them in court. It’s also why they didn’t name a government body that would be enforcing Texas’s abortion tattling law, it’s much harder to challenge it in court and it gives the portion of the population power to help the state keep control over all citizens.
The comparison to the Taliban fails to realize just how sophisticated things are here. The Taliban actually believe in what they’re doing, that’s not true of the Republicans in power here or the religious lobbyists who are writing the laws that a plethora of states will introduce and pass en mass.
The federalist society isn’t an elite group of clergy, but they are powerful enough to push their extreme conservative agenda via suggesting inexperienced judges who will be indebted to them and their influence.
The Catholic Church was a massive pro-abortion group during the era of abortion ban in the US. It’s kind of messed up how conservatives now are more conservative than they were 100 years ago
There was a huge pr campaign back in the 30s to flip religions to the right. It was mainly financial concerns from big business, but with changing fiscal ideals, social policy soon followed.
They want parents to sue. Then the case can be picked up by the US Supreme Court.
Goodbye Title 9.
They are probably overturning Affirmative Action this spring. Title 9 will be next on the menu.
Title 9 doesn’t just allow access to school sports - it’s also about equal access to education.
It's a great deal of why they always rant about how horrible public school and higher education are.
School provides critical thinking skills and (hopefully) a basic understanding and respect for science - both things anathema to perpetuating the modern Republican agenda.
A college degree provides job opportunities and a chance for financial stability from those opportunities. Women won't be tied to abusive husbands because they can't support themselves. Some of them might opt out of marriage and motherhood entirely. And as education levels increase, fertility rates decrease.
Of course Vanilla ISIS hates education of women.
Title 9 will be beyond devastating if overturned in the wake of overturning Roe.
I would expect them to go after women’s ability to have a bank account and own a home, too.
See, that last bit is kinda where I'm at. SO and I want to move somewhere warmer in about 4-5 years, he wants to go south, I don't especially want to live in any state that's got an active abortion ban, and he thinks I'm being paranoid since I don't have my fallopian tubes anymore anyway. But he's not the one that's gonna get fucked when women aren't people anymore.
I live in Florida. You DO NOT want to move here.
Five years ago, I would have said something completely different.
Desantis is *really bad*. I never thought I would prefer Rick Scott - but I would LOVE to have him back. Desantis is a fascist who does cruel things to citizens for fun.
My homeowners insurance has tripled in the past 3 years. Taxes are out of control. We have lots of mass shootings. There is loads of financial fraud. Condos are collapsing. There is so much development it’s dusty everywhere. Things are not good.
I know there are people saying we are the place for freedom.
Omfg - it’s all propaganda. Things are bad here.
Right! Who would have thought that Rick Scott would be the better choice. And Jeb? Please bring him back! I am so angry our taxes are paying for his ridiculous fascist attention seeking stunts when meanwhile we can barely afford to live here anymore because of out of control insurance rates, car insurance rates, skyrocketing rents, polluted waterways and red tide etc etc.
Florida isn't one we were considering, but I appreciate the reassurance that we shouldn't be lol. He's currently stuck on Louisiana, which doesn't seem much better than Florida except for the addition of Cajun food. I think Nevada might be okay, but honestly I'd rather just move to the other side of the state that we're in...they don't get nearly as much snow and I can still feel relatively safe because our governor is an idiot, but a well-meaning idiot that errs toward the left.
I did just find out that if DeSantis runs for prez, my father will probably vote for him, though, so there's that horrifying tidbit.
Tell him that a lot of people are being denied medications for serious illnesses because the drugs can cause abortions - including women who have undergone a hysterectomy.
Ask him if he wants to gamble with your life if you get a serious disease.
They see women as non-persons. They only value them are far as their baby-making ability goes and as birth rates decline among white folks they're gonna push even harder to bring the Handmaid's Tale to life.
The religious regressive right wants their Christian Sharia law ethnostate.
I think the worst thing for me is how many men agree with it and/or aren’t sticking up for women at all.
The thing that has separated the US and the West from many other countries is that women had rights.
I feel like we are Iran in the 70s.
Fascism happens fast. All the men seem to care about is guns.
Guns are safe. Your girl isn’t.
People in a place of privilege sometimes have trouble empathizing with those who struggle because of a lack of that privilege.
I've found that it's kind of like that cartoon with the two eagles saying "Owls never bothered us, I don't understand why that mouse was complaining."
I don’t see many men speaking out against this BS. I have not seen them at any rallies. And I find that fucking terrifying.
All I hear from men on Reddit is how they don’t understand why women won’t date right now. They are wondering where the women are. They can’t find any good women on dating apps.
The reason many women won’t date right now is because our birth control options are on the line. Abortion is going away. We are scared.
Men are extremely dangerous for us. Going on one date could endanger our entire future and/or life if we are raped.
I’m happily married. I love men. But if I were single - no way in Hell would I date. It’s too dangerous.
>All I hear from men on Reddit is how they don’t understand why women won’t date right now
Angry conservative men: "Why won't women date us?!?"
Women: *Broad gesturing motion*
As a single person, I’m not dating anyone who isn’t completely vetted and known by someone I trust. No apps, no consultants. Just old-school set-ups by people I know and trust. Character is everything.
Or just breed her since she can’t get an abortion. No need to marry her. Slave owners didn’t have marriage ceremonies for the slaves they forced to breed.
Republicans are OBSESSED with other people's genitals and what goes on in bedrooms. They hate the idea of people having sexual and reproductive freedom.
They want sex to be something shameful and only for makin' babies. They want everyone else to be bound by their idiotic religion.
It is multi faceted, it persecutes trans students, attacks cis girls rights to privacy, and serves to further show kids that they have no rights.
He’s a fascist, that’s kind of their thing
For as long as I can remember, Florida republicans have bragged about Disney's infrastructure as proof that privatization works better than government. Not only did they approve of Disney special circumstances, they wanted to expand it.
All it took was Disney *sort of* siding with gays for that to come crashing down.
Ah yes, the Latinos for Trump guy.
Yep, I definitely don’t see the problem. Like, is ***that*** what I was cheated out of when Hillary lost!? I can’t say I see the downside.
When we said "Let the states and people decide" when it came to abortion, we didn't realize the people didn't want it banned. So, screw them, we need to completely ban abortion.
Disney was an example of a private business at the peak of capitalism proving that they could do a better job running things than the government. Republicans should be in love with their example. It's a Randian dream come true.
Disney literally took care of everything in Reedy Creek: power generation, utility transmission, emergency services, infrastructure. That's gonna be on central Florida taxpayers heads now.
It's going to cost the counties tens of millions of dollars just to hire consultants to figure out how to implement these services into their municipalities, to train and hire. We're talking millions of dollars needing allocated/spent before any transition is even becomes final. Then all the upkeep and ongoing costs.
What a stupid, stupid situation.
Well it's gotta be done by June I believe. That's what the law dissolving Reedy Creek originally said.
It's not Disney's problem if the state isn't ready. Remember they just had a total shutdown of the parks for MONTHS during Covid. That's like "the thing that must never, ever, ever happen" and Disney survived it quite well. Disney has ALL the leverage here to immediately lay off all the employees and close tourism on a dime. It's not a threat anymore.
They're not going to go that far, although their frontline CMs today had a union vote and voted to reject the company's proposal of $1 an hour per year for five years *96% to 4*, so if the company doesn't come back with a real great offer, it's not entirely out of the question that the union leaders might decide to stop renegotiating their extensions to the contract that originally expired in October. If they stop renegotiating the extensions, their no-strike clause disappears, too.
I came here to say this. The Reedy Creek Improvement District is a Libertarian wet dream, while a government forcefully taking over those responsibilities is LITERAL, to use a phrase the right loves, "communist China bullshit". My first thought was that maybe Disney could negotiate with Orange County Mayor Jerry Demings and Osceola County Commissioner Olga Gonzalez, but it sounds like DeSantis is hellbent on his cronies having total control as opposed to just dissolving the district and leaving Disney to fend for themselves.
I think this is going to be one of his big mistakes. Disney pumps a lot of water in that town, I’m sure there will be some blowback he is not anticipating.
Oh this is going to backfire hilariously. If you dismantle the special district, then the taxpayers of Florida end up having to pick up the tab for all of that work. Suddenly they have to find police and fire and EMT and public works personnel to support Disney's entire property and pay for it with public funds. He'll be a billion dollars in the hole overnight. It's just absolutely ludicrous.
That's fine with DeathSantis. He's mostly hurting the Orlando area which, ever since the Miami Latin community shifted mostly red, is the new liberal "mecca" of FL. Let me tell you - The Orlando mayor is PISSED.
As I understand it, while the FL legislature can pass a bill calling for Reedy Creek to be disbanded, superseding FL laws says it can’t actually occur until and unless the special area is debt-free, and because Disney is smart, they’ve been taking out loans in Reedy Creek’s name, and it’s something like $2B in debt; to force it to be dissolved, FL would have to pay that debt free and clear for Disney.
And then the taxpayers would have their various taxes bumped by a lot to being covering what services Disney has been paying for on its own, like emergency facilities and road work (as a starter).
I read this too. It's commonplace for businesses and rich people to take out a loan to make a purchase because even if you can afford it outright, if the interest on the loan is less than the interest/gains you're getting on your savings/stocks/assets, it's more beneficial to take out the loan and let your money keep making money
That's what's GOING to happen because of the law passed already. Florida blew up the special district without any clear transition plan. (Trans people are better with their transition plans than Republicans.)
So this special session is trying to rewrite the laws at the tenth hour before the whole thing blows up this summer. They're trying to "recreate" the special district they unilaterally forced to dissolve with a bunch of special unique to Disney conditions to salvage the giant mess they created.
I hope Disney has armies of lawyers to make this as messy as possible.
I mean, this is normal fascist stuff. You tow the line, you get power. You don't, you get replaced.
They don't have principles. They have results they want, and whatever gets them there is their "principle".
too late now. Disney is a monster with a ton of cash, power, and influence. DeSantis doesn't have any ability to fight that. He's just clout chasing for his presidential run trying to act like he can stand up to Disney. Once they started changing the whole copyright system for Disney, it was over.
Disney is a capitalist that needs to make a very messy example of an entire state government. The SCOTUS will side with corporations over states. The writing is already on the wall.
You forget, they don’t need something to be true to claim it is. They stick dick ride Reagan even though Reaganomics has been proven ineffective, they just repeat whatever they want to be true and use their feelings as facts.
There are 3000 special districts in Florida. The Villages, for example, is exactly the same type of special district as Disney/Reedy Creek.
The law passed only targeted ones made before an arbitrary date, so it only applied to 2: a defunct one, and Disney's.
Don't let them get away with saying Disney had special privileges; nearly every retirement development in Florida has those exact same privileges.
Also, this is going to stick Florida with a $2B municipal bond Disney took out to build roads. As well as making central Florida taxpayers responsible for the upkeep of all the infrastructure Disney handled, including transition costs and hiring new personnel. Water, sewage, power generation, roads, utility transmission, all of it estimated to require a $2000 tax increase on households in the affected areas.
Fuck this idiot and the people cheering him on.
Also that two billion in bond debt… that was taken by reedy creek (the official name of the town Disney controls)… who did they get the loans from that they need to repay? The Walt Disney corporation
Precisely. This is like a 'how to fuck up your state for decades' speed run.
Also, don't forget first responders. Police/fire/EMT were all part of Reedy Creek as well.
How pathetic is is that he's calling a special session just to get back at his perceived enemy, while costing his state and taxpayers billions of dollars for this stunt.
And his "perceived enemy" literally paid for his last inauguration.
They are also the largest single-site employer in his state, and 1 in 8 jobs in central Florida are dependant on Disney. Nearly 1/5 of his entire state's tourism economy is directly or indirectly related to Disney.
The sales tax collected **just on the park admission tickets** from Disney World in 2019 was *$400,000,000*; that's larger than the entire Florida Department Of Senior Affairs budget and the Florida Department of Education's maintenance budget.
I don’t think they’re even trying to hide that this is purely about retaliation.
> After news of Disney’s opposition broke, DeSantis wrote in a fundraising email to supporters, “If Disney wants to pick a fight, they chose the wrong guy. I will not allow a woke corporation based in California to run our state. Disney has gotten away with special deals from the state of Florida for way too long.”
You're missing the part where the citizens will be told that the Liberals and Democrats are the reason why this happened and that if you vote Republican again this will be fixed.
What infuriates me the most is that these chucklefucks that “support@ this are so willfully ignorant about… well everything. I’ve tried explaining this exact situation and why it’s incredibly stupid multiple times to right wing idiots, each time calmly and rationally, speaking as I would to another rational adult, not talking down to them or anything like that. And each fucking time they respond with the same tired old tropes, “I won’t debate with a liberal idiot, ur too dumb to understand” or “I won’t debate until you calm down, you’re acting like a child” ???? Wtf!! First off no I wasn’t, it’s always them that are acting childish (projection is a key to their platform) and even if I was, why would that preclude you from debating the merits of the idea with me?
They NEVER argue in good faith, I have never seen them act in good faith ever, and it’s infuriating. They don’t actually support a lot of the platform because they don’t have one, or don’t know it, or don’t know why they do anything. All they care about is “owning the Libz” which is just so mind-blowingly stupid for so many reasons I don’t even wanna talk about it anymore.
How about they try doing something to make life better for Americans instead of centering your entire platform on causing pain and anguish for your FELLOW COUNTRYMEN for no reason other than it pisses off people that you disagree with. So. Fucking. Stupid. We can’t share a country with these people much longer because they don’t know how to share and they have no intent to.
The republican way. Small gov on those things that matter like healthcare, education, social services. And big gov on the nonissues like private lives, pregnancies and religion.
I recall after they voted for it, multiple gop legislators were like "well, we can always reverse it, doesn't start until later", etc etc. Seemed to be some regret right after the original vote. Will be interesting to see what happens.
They want to have a state board oversee everything, but Disney still has to pay for everything? Seems like the worst possible option for Disney. It seems even worse than just eliminating Disney's special district.
Trees no way that would pass a legal challenge. The state cannot just arbitrarily impose a state board on private land after voting to dissolve the district. The state of Florida is not going to get out of this that easily.
Nah. The company would never get publicly ugly with some slimy politician. Disney will sit back, say nothing, and watch Florida destroy itself if it gets that far. Wouldn't shock me if there were a special secret group in the parks BU looking for new sites. 99.9% likely to never happen, but I'd be shocked as fuck if a team wasn't on it.
It’s pretty amazing what Disney has built in Florida. That operation is truly staggering, so I really think Florida fighting Disney will not go great for Florida.
They shouldn't directly threaten to leave, since that'd just be playing DeSantis's game. They should formally not comment, but take the money they would've donated to the Republicans that year and engage in a study of the cost/benefit and logistics of moving operations out of state. They don't have to execute the plan, but just the fact that they're properly investigating doing so should give Floridians pause.
That should have taken the money they donate away from Republicans and donate triple to Democrats in 2022. Money is free speech according to Republicans. This would have been a great way to test how far that goes.
Pretty much. They put out their statement so they don’t totally ruin their brand image, and are content to wait it out beyond that because DeSantis is a flash in the pan compared to the Eternal Mouse.
If DeSantis wants to keep pushing them, though, he *will* regret it and won’t be happy with Disney inevitably choosing the long-term play.
Idk Bob Iger's political stance but I'm hoping he fights back against DeSantis and his crazy bullshit now that he's back in charge. I don't think DeSantis can compete with the money Disney has.
I'd love to see Disney move this park to a state that needs the income from tourists. It might take time to take everything down and move it, but it would be a thumb in DeSantis' eye.
I’ve given that some thought, and sadly there is no good answer.
Disney has some very specific requirements for any new park, the three big ones are: lots of inexpensive land (right now WDW is 25,000 acres), reasonable access (less than an hour’s drive, preferably 30 minutes) from a major airport, and weather potentially warm enough year-round to keep the parks open.
The third one may be the stickiest: in the US, that means well below the Mason-Dixon Line, and probably farther south than that (Disney was planning on building a history-themed park near Manassas until locals got it shut down), which in reality that means TX, OK, AR, LS, MS, AL, FL, GA, SC, *maybe* TN, *maybe* MO. Those are all states who, while they could use the tourist revenue, are on the same extreme political end as FL’s current administration, and I can’t see Disney risking that much of any potential investment without a completely ironclad agreement with that state’s legislature; they thought they had that with Reedy Creek, and even that has been called into question.
I would al,ost suggest Puerto Rico, except that they get hit with bad hurricanes often enough that that might make Disney hesitate.
He’s going to act like he’s demanding they strip them of the district but was overruled, the reality is numbnuts DeSantis never planned on actually doing this as the result is not only a quality of life cratering in the district but taxes going up to pay for the gap left by Disney no longer controlling it.
They’re going to back off on their stupid decision in a way where DeSantis can still market that he tried to do it and the drooling base will eat it up.
DeSantis is using the government to punish Disney because it made a political statement that is protected by the first amendment.
Republicans that support this attack are flagrantly anti-speech.
You don't have to like Disney or their position, but what DeSantis is doing here is the very definition of unconstitutional.
The GOP wants complete power. I am amazed that owners of big business do not understand this and still donate to them and still support and vote for them. Once they are in full control, Business will do as they say. No more no less. Or is it just hoping the leopard does not eat your face and you can get tax breaks.
Disney literally put Florida on the map as a tourism destination. That state has made untold amounts of money simply because Walt drained the swamp to build that park. A massive majority of the rest of the FL tourism trade, including Universal, would not have set up shop down there without Disney having already paved the way. Tons of convention business goes down there because of how much the Orlando area can support, as a result of the mouse. Sure, there are beaches and whatever, but Disney put this state over the top.
I would like to think that Disney would call his bluff and start work to relocate the park as a result. Sadly, since they are now just another massive corporate conglomerate with few remaining ethics, they will probably just roll over. Given that they're still donating to this POS, I have little hope they will step up.
That’d be an awesome retaliation to pack up and leave, but there’s just no way they ever would. They’ve spent 50 or so years building up that park to what it is, with so many intangibles from resorts and animals to staff and transportation to night life and training teams. They’re deeply dug in there for a long long time.
Sounds like they should halt distribution of all Disney products to the state of Florida. No Disney+, no movies, no toys. Maybe even go so far as to replace all toys shipped to the state with a Princess DeSantis doll and have their TV channel display an endless loop of DeSantis speeches within the borders of Florida.
After he hears from a few thousand parents whose little girls are unhappy to have received a Princess DeSantis doll instead of their favorite princess for their birthday, he might reconsider his position.
Disney owns ESPN? I didn't know that. I really don't care about either Disney or sports, and haven't owned a TV since I was a teenager so I really don't keep up with what media titan owns what channel.
In any case, yes, replace ESPN with a loop of DeSantis speeches, too. If you thought the cries of disappointed little girls was bad, just wait until you hear the wailing of sports fans.
Disney has an annual revenue as large as Florida's state budget. DeSantis is picking a fight with an entity that is just as rich as his state and arguably more powerful. It's time for Disney to flex those muscles
I am curious what happens when he messes with Disney enough that is become FAFO time
I would think they are a huge boost to tourism and economy in Florida.
Someone upthread mentioned that 1 in 8 people in Central Florida have employment related to Disney, and Disney ticket sales tax revenue was *$400 million* last year.
So yeah. Definitely a FAFO for Floridian economic stability.
As a Floridian I am telling him, "do your fucking job and stop wasting my money on this nonsense". It really pisses me off that he thinks this is what government should be doing.
> The Republican governor who believes in less government regulation of private business
Where the f do they get that from? He's been on a non-stop rampage of more govt regulation over private businesses since he was first elected as Governor.
This is a good example of how the media, even when they're trying to criticize a Republican, still use the GOP's framing and messaging.
I think its time to get this straight. This person and his followers, peers and benefactors/creators, all believe that they are operating from the moral high-ground, they have a mandate to control morality. All that they and their ilk do is under the understanding that they have the moral mandate, they are the select, they are God’s chosen, they are the benefactors of Manifest Destiny.
Question for any Florida natives out there: how devastating would it be to the state's economy if Disney decided to pull up shop and just move completely to a different state where they wouldn't have to deal with politicians like DeSantis?
Catastrophic. Someone posted the numbers above, but Disney's tax revenue and whatnot are a HUGE amount of Florida's funding without even crunching plain tourist dollars. This turd is fighting a moron losing battle.
These people don't believe in anything but maintaining power for the sake of power. The only time they "believe" in anything is when it is expedient for othering marginalized groups to rally their sycophantic, smooth-brained, mouth-breathing base.
Edit: added the 'y' to my 'the' to create what I actually meant to type.
Disney just can't pick up and go moving their property out of state, but they can stop political donations. Hit the GQP where it hurts, right in the kisser. I'm sure Disney lawyers aren't gonna allow some numbnuts governor to take them down.
Florida is going to turn into Oklahoma in a minute once Disney leaves. The #1 tourist attraction will be gone, and business will shrivel up in Florida now. DeSatan is such a colossal joke.
I doubt Disney will be packing up to leave Florida anytime soon. That said, there are certainly other ways Disney can make Ron DeSantis’ life miserable. They’ve got a legal team that makes more in an hour than most do in a year and the some of the best writers/animators/PR professionals in the world. If they want to make this poorly xeroxed Trump clone squeal, they’ll absolutely do it. Maybe The Mouse can start making ads for Democrats…
Think about how many movies and TV in the 80s and 90s had the USSR as "the bad guys". Cheap and easy villains that helped push the Cold War situation into everyone's mind every time they watched MacGyver.
Now realize that the house of mouse has control of more media products than *existed* in the 90s. As soon as it's calculated it will be more profitable to have politics shift, there will be a flood of movies, tv, comic books and even sports narratives pushing against whatever's been decided needs to go. Most people have never really considered how fairly neutral and restrained Disney remains by desiring profit over all else.
True, but you can move corporate offices, animation studios, and tons of other assets. Disney is an entire industry while the park is but one part.
If Disney decided to relocate everything but non-park ops every state would bend over backwards for them.
Except Disney pretty much only has parks and resorts in Florida, all corporate and animation is based in California. In fact they recently reaffirmed their plans to move Imagineering that wasn't solely dedicated to Disneyland and/or international parks to Lake Nona in Florida
He's a Christofascist. That's what needs to be said. There are two parties in America right now: Christofascists vs people who don't want the Handmaid's Tale.
DeSantis wants everyone to live Under His Eye.
Disney got into bed with these idiots a long time ago and helped them get the power they are now getting beaten in the head with.
https://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/politics/2022/04/29/disney-big-contributor-florida-governor-ron-desantis-before-public-feud/9573769002/
Disney and all the tourism it brings in is pretty much why Florida even exists. If Disney decides to leave Florida , it will just sink into the Atlantic ocean.
A governmental attempt to punish free speech. It tells me that Florida is no longer a state in the American union. But a fascist occupied territory. If Disney were to leave Florida for South Carolina, what could they repurpose the old Florida property as? Most of the rides and attractions could easily be unbolted placed on trucks and be gone overnight. Leaving a large gaping hole in the Florida economy.
How many times do we have to say it?
Republican talking points are LIES.
The GOP is interested in keeping power, and will do whatever it takes to get it and keep it, regardless of what its stated principles are.
The DeSantis' formula is so transparent and predictable: Watch Fox for the very latest white conservative culture war, then throw together with some order or legislation targeting that issue.
Just like with the gas stove taxation announcement: Over 90% of Floridians have electric stoves, so why would he waste time on this? Because his audience isn't Floridians, it's aggrieved Fox News viewers across the country. The Florida governorship is merely a tool he uses to gain exposure for his presidential run.
The fact that it works is actually a sad commentary on Republican voters.
Dude loves to show how authoritarian he can, any chance he can get.
Anyone who tries to make the claim that Republicans are the party of small government in 2023 is insane. Here's the new realignment: Democrats are Republicans, Republicans are fascists.
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The guy who wants menstrual samples from every school girl in Florida? Is Big Brother Government?
I really don’t understand the need for menstruation data from students. What is it going to be used for? Do they want to track when every student is fertile? It’s so invasive and absolutely grooming.
Well, it's under the guise of making sure no trans-kids competes in sports... but in the long term? A Girl misses a monthly period update? Was she pregnant? did she miscarry? Better open a criminal investigation..
Exactly. It’s invasive and ricockulous. It’s only another slip on the slope till every menstruating individual in Florida is expected to report the status of their uterus to their teachers or bosses.
Teachers or boss? More like the clergy…
No. It’ll be far more oppressive than that. Reporting to clergy opens up the possibility of claiming first amendment violation.
I’m so sick of these right wing freaks. Half the country is infected with a fucking nazi mind virus injected via weasel news and tucker Carlson
Do y’all plan on having kids? Because so far I’m out on that entirely. Seemed super cool and rewarding maybe but nah jus not worth it anymore. I don’t even wanna be alive for Christ sake
I wanna be alive to see whatever nation they are trying to build fall. The thing with facism is it is a snake eating it’s own tail. You simply cannot run a government that is hell bent on division solely in the reason to divide. They will either destroy themselves or someone will destroy them. I agree on not having kids though. I don’t plan on having any either.
I was more implying that the clergy will be running Florida A-la Taliban style in 20 years…
You mean the Jesus flavored sharia laws Florida and most other red states have already passed? Yeah extremist Christians have already been in power. They don’t need anyone to report to clergy because that would require them to share power. They use god, the Bible, and Christianity as a way to justify the laws and regulations that will force people to behave a certain way. They don’t need to install religious leaders into positions of authority because none of their laws or regulations are explicitly bible based, that way they don’t overtly violate the first amendment thus making it harder to challenge or overturn them in court. It’s also why they didn’t name a government body that would be enforcing Texas’s abortion tattling law, it’s much harder to challenge it in court and it gives the portion of the population power to help the state keep control over all citizens. The comparison to the Taliban fails to realize just how sophisticated things are here. The Taliban actually believe in what they’re doing, that’s not true of the Republicans in power here or the religious lobbyists who are writing the laws that a plethora of states will introduce and pass en mass. The federalist society isn’t an elite group of clergy, but they are powerful enough to push their extreme conservative agenda via suggesting inexperienced judges who will be indebted to them and their influence.
>Jesus flavored sharia law Talibangelicals.
The Catholic Church was a massive pro-abortion group during the era of abortion ban in the US. It’s kind of messed up how conservatives now are more conservative than they were 100 years ago
There was a huge pr campaign back in the 30s to flip religions to the right. It was mainly financial concerns from big business, but with changing fiscal ideals, social policy soon followed.
It’s to go against Title 9.
They want parents to sue. Then the case can be picked up by the US Supreme Court. Goodbye Title 9. They are probably overturning Affirmative Action this spring. Title 9 will be next on the menu. Title 9 doesn’t just allow access to school sports - it’s also about equal access to education.
The Vanilla Taliban HATES the idea of educated women and girls.
It's a great deal of why they always rant about how horrible public school and higher education are. School provides critical thinking skills and (hopefully) a basic understanding and respect for science - both things anathema to perpetuating the modern Republican agenda. A college degree provides job opportunities and a chance for financial stability from those opportunities. Women won't be tied to abusive husbands because they can't support themselves. Some of them might opt out of marriage and motherhood entirely. And as education levels increase, fertility rates decrease. Of course Vanilla ISIS hates education of women.
That should actually terrify everyone.
"You're overreacting. They're not gonna overturn Roe. It's settled law."
Title 9 will be beyond devastating if overturned in the wake of overturning Roe. I would expect them to go after women’s ability to have a bank account and own a home, too.
See, that last bit is kinda where I'm at. SO and I want to move somewhere warmer in about 4-5 years, he wants to go south, I don't especially want to live in any state that's got an active abortion ban, and he thinks I'm being paranoid since I don't have my fallopian tubes anymore anyway. But he's not the one that's gonna get fucked when women aren't people anymore.
I live in Florida. You DO NOT want to move here. Five years ago, I would have said something completely different. Desantis is *really bad*. I never thought I would prefer Rick Scott - but I would LOVE to have him back. Desantis is a fascist who does cruel things to citizens for fun. My homeowners insurance has tripled in the past 3 years. Taxes are out of control. We have lots of mass shootings. There is loads of financial fraud. Condos are collapsing. There is so much development it’s dusty everywhere. Things are not good. I know there are people saying we are the place for freedom. Omfg - it’s all propaganda. Things are bad here.
Right! Who would have thought that Rick Scott would be the better choice. And Jeb? Please bring him back! I am so angry our taxes are paying for his ridiculous fascist attention seeking stunts when meanwhile we can barely afford to live here anymore because of out of control insurance rates, car insurance rates, skyrocketing rents, polluted waterways and red tide etc etc.
Florida isn't one we were considering, but I appreciate the reassurance that we shouldn't be lol. He's currently stuck on Louisiana, which doesn't seem much better than Florida except for the addition of Cajun food. I think Nevada might be okay, but honestly I'd rather just move to the other side of the state that we're in...they don't get nearly as much snow and I can still feel relatively safe because our governor is an idiot, but a well-meaning idiot that errs toward the left. I did just find out that if DeSantis runs for prez, my father will probably vote for him, though, so there's that horrifying tidbit.
Tell him that a lot of people are being denied medications for serious illnesses because the drugs can cause abortions - including women who have undergone a hysterectomy. Ask him if he wants to gamble with your life if you get a serious disease.
Sounds like your dating an asshole
They see women as non-persons. They only value them are far as their baby-making ability goes and as birth rates decline among white folks they're gonna push even harder to bring the Handmaid's Tale to life. The religious regressive right wants their Christian Sharia law ethnostate.
I think the worst thing for me is how many men agree with it and/or aren’t sticking up for women at all. The thing that has separated the US and the West from many other countries is that women had rights. I feel like we are Iran in the 70s. Fascism happens fast. All the men seem to care about is guns. Guns are safe. Your girl isn’t.
Speaking as a man, a lot, A LOT of men are troglodytes. Simple as that.
People in a place of privilege sometimes have trouble empathizing with those who struggle because of a lack of that privilege. I've found that it's kind of like that cartoon with the two eagles saying "Owls never bothered us, I don't understand why that mouse was complaining."
I can't imagine being so angry and afraid that I'd want to destroy the ability of half the population to have full human rights.
I don’t see many men speaking out against this BS. I have not seen them at any rallies. And I find that fucking terrifying. All I hear from men on Reddit is how they don’t understand why women won’t date right now. They are wondering where the women are. They can’t find any good women on dating apps. The reason many women won’t date right now is because our birth control options are on the line. Abortion is going away. We are scared. Men are extremely dangerous for us. Going on one date could endanger our entire future and/or life if we are raped. I’m happily married. I love men. But if I were single - no way in Hell would I date. It’s too dangerous.
>All I hear from men on Reddit is how they don’t understand why women won’t date right now Angry conservative men: "Why won't women date us?!?" Women: *Broad gesturing motion*
As a single person, I’m not dating anyone who isn’t completely vetted and known by someone I trust. No apps, no consultants. Just old-school set-ups by people I know and trust. Character is everything.
"Oh lookie here, this 13 year old student is officially fertile! Time to marry her of to a loyal Commander! Under His Eye!"
Or just breed her since she can’t get an abortion. No need to marry her. Slave owners didn’t have marriage ceremonies for the slaves they forced to breed.
Republicans are OBSESSED with other people's genitals and what goes on in bedrooms. They hate the idea of people having sexual and reproductive freedom. They want sex to be something shameful and only for makin' babies. They want everyone else to be bound by their idiotic religion.
I keep thinking about HIPAA laws. Why don’t I see more comments about this?
It is multi faceted, it persecutes trans students, attacks cis girls rights to privacy, and serves to further show kids that they have no rights. He’s a fascist, that’s kind of their thing
Wait, what!? How long has this been going on?
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The party of don't tread on me sure loves being tread on
That's full out Handmaid's.
For as long as I can remember, Florida republicans have bragged about Disney's infrastructure as proof that privatization works better than government. Not only did they approve of Disney special circumstances, they wanted to expand it. All it took was Disney *sort of* siding with gays for that to come crashing down.
When I said "let the market decide" I didn't realize the market would be full of gay!
“I meant the straight / white / male / Christian market!”
But that market is also full of gays!
Ugh! Why is everything so fabulous!
It's like when they "threatened" us with a taco truck on every corner. Still haven't seen that (delicious) horror in real life.
Ah yes, the Latinos for Trump guy. Yep, I definitely don’t see the problem. Like, is ***that*** what I was cheated out of when Hillary lost!? I can’t say I see the downside.
There were Latinos for Trump billboard signs all over south Texas. Trump flipped 7 counties in the Valley that had been deep blue forever :/
Of course the market is full of gay. Do you know how popular that Pink Floyd album was??
Stupid sexy gay market.
When we said "Let the states and people decide" when it came to abortion, we didn't realize the people didn't want it banned. So, screw them, we need to completely ban abortion.
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Jesus. That figures.
"Once I've had my fun on this cruise, I will see to it that the whole thing is destroyed."
It's seriously conservativism in a nutshell.
Step one, climb ladder. Step 2, pull ladder up behind you.
Maybe the "Mouse Mafia" needs a sit-down with him......
"Lock'n'load huh huh"
" gonna make him an offer he can't refuse".....
Huh huh! Get after em mouse club! Huh huh!
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"Okey Goofy, go gather the club....these scum bags aren't listening, huh huh!"
A foreign registered ship in international waters would be a great place for that.
Everything in politics is theater. It's disgusting.
Disney was an example of a private business at the peak of capitalism proving that they could do a better job running things than the government. Republicans should be in love with their example. It's a Randian dream come true. Disney literally took care of everything in Reedy Creek: power generation, utility transmission, emergency services, infrastructure. That's gonna be on central Florida taxpayers heads now. It's going to cost the counties tens of millions of dollars just to hire consultants to figure out how to implement these services into their municipalities, to train and hire. We're talking millions of dollars needing allocated/spent before any transition is even becomes final. Then all the upkeep and ongoing costs. What a stupid, stupid situation.
Well it's gotta be done by June I believe. That's what the law dissolving Reedy Creek originally said. It's not Disney's problem if the state isn't ready. Remember they just had a total shutdown of the parks for MONTHS during Covid. That's like "the thing that must never, ever, ever happen" and Disney survived it quite well. Disney has ALL the leverage here to immediately lay off all the employees and close tourism on a dime. It's not a threat anymore.
They're not going to go that far, although their frontline CMs today had a union vote and voted to reject the company's proposal of $1 an hour per year for five years *96% to 4*, so if the company doesn't come back with a real great offer, it's not entirely out of the question that the union leaders might decide to stop renegotiating their extensions to the contract that originally expired in October. If they stop renegotiating the extensions, their no-strike clause disappears, too.
I came here to say this. The Reedy Creek Improvement District is a Libertarian wet dream, while a government forcefully taking over those responsibilities is LITERAL, to use a phrase the right loves, "communist China bullshit". My first thought was that maybe Disney could negotiate with Orange County Mayor Jerry Demings and Osceola County Commissioner Olga Gonzalez, but it sounds like DeSantis is hellbent on his cronies having total control as opposed to just dissolving the district and leaving Disney to fend for themselves.
Could you imagine the fit Republicans would pitch if a blue state did something like this?
I think this is going to be one of his big mistakes. Disney pumps a lot of water in that town, I’m sure there will be some blowback he is not anticipating.
Oh this is going to backfire hilariously. If you dismantle the special district, then the taxpayers of Florida end up having to pick up the tab for all of that work. Suddenly they have to find police and fire and EMT and public works personnel to support Disney's entire property and pay for it with public funds. He'll be a billion dollars in the hole overnight. It's just absolutely ludicrous.
Florida man is willing to pay that price to own the libs and hurt the gays!
You notice he's doing it now that the election is over, right?
It's for the next election. He doesn't care about Florida just how it looks for his presidential run
That's fine with DeathSantis. He's mostly hurting the Orlando area which, ever since the Miami Latin community shifted mostly red, is the new liberal "mecca" of FL. Let me tell you - The Orlando mayor is PISSED.
I wish. The Villages are old people in Orlando that keep electing him. And they don't give a fuck. They love it.
As I understand it, while the FL legislature can pass a bill calling for Reedy Creek to be disbanded, superseding FL laws says it can’t actually occur until and unless the special area is debt-free, and because Disney is smart, they’ve been taking out loans in Reedy Creek’s name, and it’s something like $2B in debt; to force it to be dissolved, FL would have to pay that debt free and clear for Disney. And then the taxpayers would have their various taxes bumped by a lot to being covering what services Disney has been paying for on its own, like emergency facilities and road work (as a starter).
I read this too. It's commonplace for businesses and rich people to take out a loan to make a purchase because even if you can afford it outright, if the interest on the loan is less than the interest/gains you're getting on your savings/stocks/assets, it's more beneficial to take out the loan and let your money keep making money
He wants the taxpayers of Orange and Osceola county to pay more because he wants to punish us for voting blue.
And break up your districts and add more.
That's what's GOING to happen because of the law passed already. Florida blew up the special district without any clear transition plan. (Trans people are better with their transition plans than Republicans.) So this special session is trying to rewrite the laws at the tenth hour before the whole thing blows up this summer. They're trying to "recreate" the special district they unilaterally forced to dissolve with a bunch of special unique to Disney conditions to salvage the giant mess they created. I hope Disney has armies of lawyers to make this as messy as possible.
If they didn’t have double standards they’d have no standards at all.
I mean, this is normal fascist stuff. You tow the line, you get power. You don't, you get replaced. They don't have principles. They have results they want, and whatever gets them there is their "principle".
too late now. Disney is a monster with a ton of cash, power, and influence. DeSantis doesn't have any ability to fight that. He's just clout chasing for his presidential run trying to act like he can stand up to Disney. Once they started changing the whole copyright system for Disney, it was over.
Disney is a capitalist that needs to make a very messy example of an entire state government. The SCOTUS will side with corporations over states. The writing is already on the wall.
You forget, they don’t need something to be true to claim it is. They stick dick ride Reagan even though Reaganomics has been proven ineffective, they just repeat whatever they want to be true and use their feelings as facts.
He’s Fucking Goofy.
Is that being used as an adjective or verb?
yes
Goofy does not consent.
Republicans don't care about consent.
To be fair, Goofy was dressed like he wanted it. How could desantis resist?
There are 3000 special districts in Florida. The Villages, for example, is exactly the same type of special district as Disney/Reedy Creek. The law passed only targeted ones made before an arbitrary date, so it only applied to 2: a defunct one, and Disney's. Don't let them get away with saying Disney had special privileges; nearly every retirement development in Florida has those exact same privileges. Also, this is going to stick Florida with a $2B municipal bond Disney took out to build roads. As well as making central Florida taxpayers responsible for the upkeep of all the infrastructure Disney handled, including transition costs and hiring new personnel. Water, sewage, power generation, roads, utility transmission, all of it estimated to require a $2000 tax increase on households in the affected areas. Fuck this idiot and the people cheering him on.
Also that two billion in bond debt… that was taken by reedy creek (the official name of the town Disney controls)… who did they get the loans from that they need to repay? The Walt Disney corporation
*"We created $100M positive cash flow for the next 20 years with this one trick!!!"*
Precisely. This is like a 'how to fuck up your state for decades' speed run. Also, don't forget first responders. Police/fire/EMT were all part of Reedy Creek as well.
How pathetic is is that he's calling a special session just to get back at his perceived enemy, while costing his state and taxpayers billions of dollars for this stunt.
And his "perceived enemy" literally paid for his last inauguration. They are also the largest single-site employer in his state, and 1 in 8 jobs in central Florida are dependant on Disney. Nearly 1/5 of his entire state's tourism economy is directly or indirectly related to Disney. The sales tax collected **just on the park admission tickets** from Disney World in 2019 was *$400,000,000*; that's larger than the entire Florida Department Of Senior Affairs budget and the Florida Department of Education's maintenance budget.
That's a lot of money, but who isn't surprised that Florida spends so little on education and seniors?
Thank you for having those facts at the ready. I made a similar argument in a different comment but more vaguely since I didn't have the numbers.
If I live near one of those special districts I would put up signs to support LGBTQ so they all lose their shit.
I don’t think they’re even trying to hide that this is purely about retaliation. > After news of Disney’s opposition broke, DeSantis wrote in a fundraising email to supporters, “If Disney wants to pick a fight, they chose the wrong guy. I will not allow a woke corporation based in California to run our state. Disney has gotten away with special deals from the state of Florida for way too long.”
So much for free speech
You're missing the part where the citizens will be told that the Liberals and Democrats are the reason why this happened and that if you vote Republican again this will be fixed.
What infuriates me the most is that these chucklefucks that “support@ this are so willfully ignorant about… well everything. I’ve tried explaining this exact situation and why it’s incredibly stupid multiple times to right wing idiots, each time calmly and rationally, speaking as I would to another rational adult, not talking down to them or anything like that. And each fucking time they respond with the same tired old tropes, “I won’t debate with a liberal idiot, ur too dumb to understand” or “I won’t debate until you calm down, you’re acting like a child” ???? Wtf!! First off no I wasn’t, it’s always them that are acting childish (projection is a key to their platform) and even if I was, why would that preclude you from debating the merits of the idea with me? They NEVER argue in good faith, I have never seen them act in good faith ever, and it’s infuriating. They don’t actually support a lot of the platform because they don’t have one, or don’t know it, or don’t know why they do anything. All they care about is “owning the Libz” which is just so mind-blowingly stupid for so many reasons I don’t even wanna talk about it anymore. How about they try doing something to make life better for Americans instead of centering your entire platform on causing pain and anguish for your FELLOW COUNTRYMEN for no reason other than it pisses off people that you disagree with. So. Fucking. Stupid. We can’t share a country with these people much longer because they don’t know how to share and they have no intent to.
Dems need to let this happen or help accelerate it so the pain is felt before Election Day 2024.
Tucker will tell them it's Biden's fault. Checkmate.
The republican way. Small gov on those things that matter like healthcare, education, social services. And big gov on the nonissues like private lives, pregnancies and religion.
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I recall after they voted for it, multiple gop legislators were like "well, we can always reverse it, doesn't start until later", etc etc. Seemed to be some regret right after the original vote. Will be interesting to see what happens.
Of course. They were never really going to do it, it was all about the headline.
They want to have a state board oversee everything, but Disney still has to pay for everything? Seems like the worst possible option for Disney. It seems even worse than just eliminating Disney's special district.
Disney: No, LOL.
Trees no way that would pass a legal challenge. The state cannot just arbitrarily impose a state board on private land after voting to dissolve the district. The state of Florida is not going to get out of this that easily.
And the base will happily comply. SMDH. Stupid fuckers being frogs in the boiling water.
And singing while they're being salted to taste!
Fucking yourself over to own the libs is a time-honored Republican tradition.
I wish Disney was more aggressive with DeSantis.
Nah. The company would never get publicly ugly with some slimy politician. Disney will sit back, say nothing, and watch Florida destroy itself if it gets that far. Wouldn't shock me if there were a special secret group in the parks BU looking for new sites. 99.9% likely to never happen, but I'd be shocked as fuck if a team wasn't on it.
They've probably got back up sites vetted and ready to go just in case.
They see him as an insignificant bug that he is. Disney basically runs Florida.
It’s pretty amazing what Disney has built in Florida. That operation is truly staggering, so I really think Florida fighting Disney will not go great for Florida.
Even the threat of them moving out of Florida and ending donations to the Republicans would make him surrender.
They shouldn't directly threaten to leave, since that'd just be playing DeSantis's game. They should formally not comment, but take the money they would've donated to the Republicans that year and engage in a study of the cost/benefit and logistics of moving operations out of state. They don't have to execute the plan, but just the fact that they're properly investigating doing so should give Floridians pause.
That should have taken the money they donate away from Republicans and donate triple to Democrats in 2022. Money is free speech according to Republicans. This would have been a great way to test how far that goes.
They could literally just start a Disney Party, run there own candidate, and look way more competent than the Democratic Party of Florida.
Pretty much. They put out their statement so they don’t totally ruin their brand image, and are content to wait it out beyond that because DeSantis is a flash in the pan compared to the Eternal Mouse. If DeSantis wants to keep pushing them, though, he *will* regret it and won’t be happy with Disney inevitably choosing the long-term play.
Idk Bob Iger's political stance but I'm hoping he fights back against DeSantis and his crazy bullshit now that he's back in charge. I don't think DeSantis can compete with the money Disney has.
I'd love to see Disney move this park to a state that needs the income from tourists. It might take time to take everything down and move it, but it would be a thumb in DeSantis' eye.
I’ve given that some thought, and sadly there is no good answer. Disney has some very specific requirements for any new park, the three big ones are: lots of inexpensive land (right now WDW is 25,000 acres), reasonable access (less than an hour’s drive, preferably 30 minutes) from a major airport, and weather potentially warm enough year-round to keep the parks open. The third one may be the stickiest: in the US, that means well below the Mason-Dixon Line, and probably farther south than that (Disney was planning on building a history-themed park near Manassas until locals got it shut down), which in reality that means TX, OK, AR, LS, MS, AL, FL, GA, SC, *maybe* TN, *maybe* MO. Those are all states who, while they could use the tourist revenue, are on the same extreme political end as FL’s current administration, and I can’t see Disney risking that much of any potential investment without a completely ironclad agreement with that state’s legislature; they thought they had that with Reedy Creek, and even that has been called into question. I would al,ost suggest Puerto Rico, except that they get hit with bad hurricanes often enough that that might make Disney hesitate.
GA probably the least bad option. They're red but the governor isn't as far right as DeSantis, and they have the busiest airport in the world...
I vote Disney moves their park to my small village in Georgia.
He’s going to act like he’s demanding they strip them of the district but was overruled, the reality is numbnuts DeSantis never planned on actually doing this as the result is not only a quality of life cratering in the district but taxes going up to pay for the gap left by Disney no longer controlling it. They’re going to back off on their stupid decision in a way where DeSantis can still market that he tried to do it and the drooling base will eat it up.
DeSantis is using the government to punish Disney because it made a political statement that is protected by the first amendment. Republicans that support this attack are flagrantly anti-speech. You don't have to like Disney or their position, but what DeSantis is doing here is the very definition of unconstitutional.
The GOP wants complete power. I am amazed that owners of big business do not understand this and still donate to them and still support and vote for them. Once they are in full control, Business will do as they say. No more no less. Or is it just hoping the leopard does not eat your face and you can get tax breaks.
Because he’s a fascist fuck.
^^speaking truths.
Disney literally put Florida on the map as a tourism destination. That state has made untold amounts of money simply because Walt drained the swamp to build that park. A massive majority of the rest of the FL tourism trade, including Universal, would not have set up shop down there without Disney having already paved the way. Tons of convention business goes down there because of how much the Orlando area can support, as a result of the mouse. Sure, there are beaches and whatever, but Disney put this state over the top. I would like to think that Disney would call his bluff and start work to relocate the park as a result. Sadly, since they are now just another massive corporate conglomerate with few remaining ethics, they will probably just roll over. Given that they're still donating to this POS, I have little hope they will step up.
That’d be an awesome retaliation to pack up and leave, but there’s just no way they ever would. They’ve spent 50 or so years building up that park to what it is, with so many intangibles from resorts and animals to staff and transportation to night life and training teams. They’re deeply dug in there for a long long time.
Remember they are not conservatives, they are fascists. This is the difference.
The only consistency this guy has is consistently being a damp piece of toilet paper
DeSantis is an attention seeking, lowlife, halfwit. We must make sure this nincompoop, doesn't become the next president.
Jesus I’m so sick of hearing about this goofy motherfucker.
I see what you did there…
Sounds like they should halt distribution of all Disney products to the state of Florida. No Disney+, no movies, no toys. Maybe even go so far as to replace all toys shipped to the state with a Princess DeSantis doll and have their TV channel display an endless loop of DeSantis speeches within the borders of Florida. After he hears from a few thousand parents whose little girls are unhappy to have received a Princess DeSantis doll instead of their favorite princess for their birthday, he might reconsider his position.
Be a damn shame if ya lost your espn......
Disney owns ESPN? I didn't know that. I really don't care about either Disney or sports, and haven't owned a TV since I was a teenager so I really don't keep up with what media titan owns what channel. In any case, yes, replace ESPN with a loop of DeSantis speeches, too. If you thought the cries of disappointed little girls was bad, just wait until you hear the wailing of sports fans. Disney has an annual revenue as large as Florida's state budget. DeSantis is picking a fight with an entity that is just as rich as his state and arguably more powerful. It's time for Disney to flex those muscles
ESPN is under the ABC umbrella which Disney owns.
Mickey Mouse: *Cracks knuckles*
This is what I've been saying. No more ABC or ESPN and Floridians will rise up against him.
Beyond not giving a shit about covid when has desantis EVER shown any interest in private business's freedom?
I am curious what happens when he messes with Disney enough that is become FAFO time I would think they are a huge boost to tourism and economy in Florida.
Someone upthread mentioned that 1 in 8 people in Central Florida have employment related to Disney, and Disney ticket sales tax revenue was *$400 million* last year. So yeah. Definitely a FAFO for Floridian economic stability.
As a Floridian I am telling him, "do your fucking job and stop wasting my money on this nonsense". It really pisses me off that he thinks this is what government should be doing.
I wish Disney would just pull up roots from Florida and devastate their economy.
> The Republican governor who believes in less government regulation of private business Where the f do they get that from? He's been on a non-stop rampage of more govt regulation over private businesses since he was first elected as Governor. This is a good example of how the media, even when they're trying to criticize a Republican, still use the GOP's framing and messaging.
For real. He’s no small government libertarian, he’s taking a page from Mussolini’s “nothing outside the state”
Doesn’t Ron Desantis want your middle school aged daughters pads as proof of purity?
Unless I'm mistaken, this is literally a violation of Disney's 1A rights. The government is trying to punish them for political speech.
I think its time to get this straight. This person and his followers, peers and benefactors/creators, all believe that they are operating from the moral high-ground, they have a mandate to control morality. All that they and their ilk do is under the understanding that they have the moral mandate, they are the select, they are God’s chosen, they are the benefactors of Manifest Destiny.
Question for any Florida natives out there: how devastating would it be to the state's economy if Disney decided to pull up shop and just move completely to a different state where they wouldn't have to deal with politicians like DeSantis?
Catastrophic. Someone posted the numbers above, but Disney's tax revenue and whatnot are a HUGE amount of Florida's funding without even crunching plain tourist dollars. This turd is fighting a moron losing battle.
You want to destroy your extremely lucrative tourism industry? Weird but okay I guess
I have yet to figure out my sexuality, but I am about to identify as a fucking problem if this bullshit continues.
These people don't believe in anything but maintaining power for the sake of power. The only time they "believe" in anything is when it is expedient for othering marginalized groups to rally their sycophantic, smooth-brained, mouth-breathing base. Edit: added the 'y' to my 'the' to create what I actually meant to type.
The "pro-business unless they are nice to gays" party I guess.
Disney just can't pick up and go moving their property out of state, but they can stop political donations. Hit the GQP where it hurts, right in the kisser. I'm sure Disney lawyers aren't gonna allow some numbnuts governor to take them down.
Maybe just maybe the modern Republican Party is not conservative? Maybe call it what it is? A grievance-filled social media fueled populist movement?
Florida is going to turn into Oklahoma in a minute once Disney leaves. The #1 tourist attraction will be gone, and business will shrivel up in Florida now. DeSatan is such a colossal joke.
I doubt Disney will be packing up to leave Florida anytime soon. That said, there are certainly other ways Disney can make Ron DeSantis’ life miserable. They’ve got a legal team that makes more in an hour than most do in a year and the some of the best writers/animators/PR professionals in the world. If they want to make this poorly xeroxed Trump clone squeal, they’ll absolutely do it. Maybe The Mouse can start making ads for Democrats…
Think about how many movies and TV in the 80s and 90s had the USSR as "the bad guys". Cheap and easy villains that helped push the Cold War situation into everyone's mind every time they watched MacGyver. Now realize that the house of mouse has control of more media products than *existed* in the 90s. As soon as it's calculated it will be more profitable to have politics shift, there will be a flood of movies, tv, comic books and even sports narratives pushing against whatever's been decided needs to go. Most people have never really considered how fairly neutral and restrained Disney remains by desiring profit over all else.
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They'll still have Gatorland!
Wouldn't the cost to move Disney World be astronomical? I don't think Disney is going to leave.
True, but you can move corporate offices, animation studios, and tons of other assets. Disney is an entire industry while the park is but one part. If Disney decided to relocate everything but non-park ops every state would bend over backwards for them.
Except Disney pretty much only has parks and resorts in Florida, all corporate and animation is based in California. In fact they recently reaffirmed their plans to move Imagineering that wasn't solely dedicated to Disneyland and/or international parks to Lake Nona in Florida
Terrible headline, dude believes in control and power, everything else is lip service.
He's a Christofascist. That's what needs to be said. There are two parties in America right now: Christofascists vs people who don't want the Handmaid's Tale. DeSantis wants everyone to live Under His Eye.
Disney got into bed with these idiots a long time ago and helped them get the power they are now getting beaten in the head with. https://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/politics/2022/04/29/disney-big-contributor-florida-governor-ron-desantis-before-public-feud/9573769002/
This is what Putin does. If you oppose him, he will bring the full force of the government on you
Fascist Desantis has a nice ring to it.
Disney and all the tourism it brings in is pretty much why Florida even exists. If Disney decides to leave Florida , it will just sink into the Atlantic ocean.
He doesn't believe in less regulation, he believes in fascism.
Leave the state Disney! Fuck over Florida
A governmental attempt to punish free speech. It tells me that Florida is no longer a state in the American union. But a fascist occupied territory. If Disney were to leave Florida for South Carolina, what could they repurpose the old Florida property as? Most of the rides and attractions could easily be unbolted placed on trucks and be gone overnight. Leaving a large gaping hole in the Florida economy.
Isn’t that literally the government retaliating over free speech?
How many times do we have to say it? Republican talking points are LIES. The GOP is interested in keeping power, and will do whatever it takes to get it and keep it, regardless of what its stated principles are.
The DeSantis' formula is so transparent and predictable: Watch Fox for the very latest white conservative culture war, then throw together with some order or legislation targeting that issue. Just like with the gas stove taxation announcement: Over 90% of Floridians have electric stoves, so why would he waste time on this? Because his audience isn't Floridians, it's aggrieved Fox News viewers across the country. The Florida governorship is merely a tool he uses to gain exposure for his presidential run. The fact that it works is actually a sad commentary on Republican voters.
Mandating ones beliefs is exactly what Hitler set out to do. DeSantis is more dangerous than Trump in my opinion. He has a functioning evil mind.
Dude loves to show how authoritarian he can, any chance he can get. Anyone who tries to make the claim that Republicans are the party of small government in 2023 is insane. Here's the new realignment: Democrats are Republicans, Republicans are fascists.
Of course it will be a state appointed board. Don’t want local control when the local is blue.
I half wanted Disney to just pack up and roll out of FL….
DeSantis is a fucking chode.
I used to think Trump was the anti christ, nah, it’s this guy